August 17, 2025 • 23 mins
Mindy and Mikaela discuss Millennial and Gen Z dating, are they turning away from dating apps and finding more romance at work?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Says you updated anybody that you worked with or did
you ever want to date someone in your workplace? But thought,
you know what, I can't. I actually can't do this
because it's against the bylaws of the company.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Great question, and we got here because you saw something
this last week that indicated we might be swinging away
from these apps that people have been using for the
last decade.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you more about that survey in just
a moment. We want to go to the phone lines.
It looks like Cayden, we were earlier talking about the
NCAA kind of giving Michigan a slap on the wrist
with their infractions. Did you want to comment on that
before we do this office workplace conversation?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, Hey, Mindy and MICHAELA.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
How are we doing this easing?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's Sunday. We love a Funday Sunday.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well. Yeah, the whole Michigan punishment thing. I'm going to
tell you what, honest, I knew there was gonna be
a few pre precautions that were gonna be going down
with that. But you know what, I'm not worried because
November twenty ninth, that's when the real hammer is gonna
drop down, and that's why I was saying, it's going
up to Ann Arbor to kick the living crap out
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of the in the football game. So that's all that
I am concerned with at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, let's hope so because it's been a while since
the Buck guys have done that, so we need to
definitely do that this year.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, and you know what the also thing is, Michael
or Mindy Oh, So I want to give a special
shout out to your daughter for the congratulator for congratulations
on the coaching job. I saw that on Facebook, and
if you don't follow me on Facebook, please do.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I saw it on Facebook and I was like, that
girl should be a coach, and I know she's gonna
be doing an amazing job and she's gonna inspire a lot
of women to play, you know, softball. So give her
from me and the.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Head coach of a travel team. So thank you, Kay,
and we appreciate it. You're always so nice.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And I do want to say this on behalf of
me and the buddy is that Mason Sun's Dumpsters Abouncertainly
their mom is a big fan of your radio show
and she listens to your show every Sunday, and she
loves what you guys always talked about on the show.
So that's a big shout out from you guys from
Mason's Huns dumpsters out out of here right here in
such a Ohio who's been doing dumpster work for the
(02:28):
last thirty years. So the boys and Morton, Sem and
I are just showing out.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, well, Kate, good to hear from you. Have a
great rest of your Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, tell them we said, hi.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yep, do tell you you too. You know, when I
was at the church picnic earlier today, Before we go
back to our dating topic, I'll just share some guy
came up to me who had no clue that I
did TV for you know, seven eight years here, and
he was like, I just really enjoy your radio show
that you do with Mindy on Sundays. We really just
love your topics and what you talk about. And I
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was like, thank you, and he's like.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
No, what when you hear that from people, it doesn't
mean a lot. I love to hear that.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Sure, Yeah, I think we have I think you get
what you get. We have fun, we talk about real
stuff and that we enjoy these two hours.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And this one's real stuff, but I can't get a
little racy, and I we're just so interested. If anyone
out there listening has ever had an office romance? Did
it work? Did it not work? Will you frowned down
upon because of it?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
This new survey Global Dating Insights new survey data suggests
the growing number of younger workers are turning away from
dating apps and meeting partners in the workplace instead. Gen Zers,
we're also the most likely to report having a relationship
with their manager. What The data also shows that the
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taboo is going away from younger whirler orkers. Nearly sixty
percent of millennials and forty nine percent of gen z
say workplace romance has become more accepted.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Okay, read me the manager stat again one more time.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Gen Zers were also the most likely to report having
a relationship with their manager.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
How many thoughts, so many thoughts. We want to hear
from you, guys.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
This is only going to work if you, guys, call
in and let us know the deal, the juicy deal.
If you ever attempted to date somebody who you worked with,
or your manager Elle Michelle if you're listening, or your
manager Michelle, if you're listening. You ended up. I won't
say where you guys worked, but you met your now
husband because they worked together, and I think it was
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kind of frowned upon. Only one of them could keep
their job, but their marriage worked there. They've got two
great girls. They met at work and happily ever after
you and Marcus met at.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Work, we did, and I'll tell the story. But six
one four eighty eight six six one four eight two
one WTV and I was his producer, which I think
you know that, and you know we became friends before
it became more than friends, and I remember we didn't
tell anybody. And what I'm trying to remember, Mindy, is
if it was frowned upon or contractually there was something
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in his contract where that couldn't have happened.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, you could put in your contract that you had
to act a certain way out in public, or you
could lose your job.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right. So I remember when I was producing the eleven
o'clock newscast and the main anchor was a very good
friend of mine, became a very good friend of mine.
She was probably four or five years older than me,
and I remember when we laughed about this because you
would slip up almost when you were like, oh, I'm
gonna go hang out with Marcus after the show. She knew,
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but other people didn't know, and we would all go
to this place called the ninety nine Club. You would
have loved it. It's like a Moose style situation. It
was literally next door to the station, and so we
would go to the Yeah, we'd go to the ninety
nine after, you know, the eleven or the ten o'clock newscast,
and they talked about going to the Butcher.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I was going.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I was going to see the butcher instead of markets.
I have no clue I said that, but we were
howling with laughter, and it worked out. I mean, I
eventually wasn't his producer anymore. I started reporting again, and
then eventually we were co anchors and all that good stuff.
But yeah, I mean I didn't know I would meet
someone at work. I had no clue that was going
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to happen in my life.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But then you got married and you were both hired
at Channel four together the news director Stan Sanders.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Is it stand stand?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, Stan took a chance and hired you both together.
So there's there's pros and cons about it. Some people say,
you know what, it's a. It's a mistake to do
because if you break up, you still have to face
each other at the workplace, and that could cause turmoil
with coworkers.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It definitely could. So six one four a two one
nine eight eight six six one four eight two one
WTV and Kat, we see you there. We are just
wanting to hear your story, chump at the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Rare cat on the phone lines for you. Cat, Are
you with us?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yes, I wanted to tell you that the young people
out there should be encouraged to avoid this like the plague,
because I personally know someone very close related to me
who got involved with her boss, got pregnant and ended
up having to have an abortion. She was married and
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her best friend was involved with the president of the company.
Everyone knew about it. It was all this big secret
and guess what, Suddenly he died of a heart attack
and she lost her job and couldn't even go to
the funeral. The wife was there. I mean, it can
just be a nightmare. Stay away from romance at work.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh my god, we're processing this like the worst case scenario.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah, I know both. I know I know both women.
I'm related to one. So I'm telling you it can
be awful.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, Kat, I agree with not dating a manager, a boss,
the president of the company when you're in a subordinate situation.
I fully agree with you. We have rules like that
at work. I'm do you think a lot of people
I mean, Mindy's data is showing that, but do you
think a lot of people are breaking that barrier with
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managers like these girls? Do they know other girls with
this is happening with managers and bosses.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
They sleep their way to the top.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
I'm telling you, wow, cat on it today, because you know,
we've always heard that and we've knows we may have
seen instances as yet.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Like I'm sure this person got that job because of this, Kat.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
No, no, I know, I know why they got the job.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I know both women.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's what they do a cat And that's the thing.
Like I have this belief and Mindy knows it. It's
not Paullyanna, but like I have this belief in humanity
and people trying to do a good job to get promoted.
And when I hear something like this, it strikes at
my heart. It really does.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It happens. I can't deny, I.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Know, but I just expect more of people I don't know, And.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I just think that the young people out there need
to be encouraged to do the right thing to avoid trouble.
And I know your your situation was great and it
turned out good but awful.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, I wasn't his boss either, cat Like, even though
I was his producer. We were peers, so totally it
was a bit of a different situation. But I'm with you,
stay away from manager, stay away.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Hey, Kat. Yeah, we got for juicy.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And we got Juicy kicked us off.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm so glad that you called in this. It may
be the juiciest call we've ever.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Had here on the What Matters.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So call back again anytime, Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Kat, Okay, all right, thanks, We're going.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
To go to Michelle. Michelle, we're talking about office romance.
Did you ever date anyone that you worked with or
were you ever tempted to or do you have a
juicy story like Cat did?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Hello, Oh this is Michelle, Michelle.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You we just talked about you.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Oh, we did it. I just walked in from some
calling hours and so I just got on and so
I didn't hear what you said about me.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But well we were romance. We yes, So we were
talking about your office romance. Did you happen? I'm just curious.
Did you hear kat before you? Were you able to
hear her audio?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I only heard the end about young people we need
to be careful or something like that.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I was like, oh, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She said girls will sleep their way to the top.
And then Michelle called, Okay, Michelle, we know you have
a story with it. Yeah, yeah, tell Mikayla set it
up for everybody, because you guys, we didn't. I didn't
name the company. I didn't say where you guys worked,
because it's a very well known company in town. I'll
just say that much. We go ahead, Michelle set it
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up for us.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, So I was young at the college and I
ended up being.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
His boss and so.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
And that was a no no of course that company whatever.
So eventually when they did find out about it, we uh,
they moved me to another department and we ended up
getting married and everything was fine. I ended up leaving
the company for other reasons, just better hours or something,
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but they wanted me to stay and everything. So everything left, okay,
But it was just funny because now we joked that
I was his boss at work, and I was the
boss at home.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well, because Chuck, your husband, he had worked there for
how many years before you got there?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yeah, probably fifteen twenty the most.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But yeah, so I'm curious typically did they let people
go or I love that they allowed you to move
to a different department.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I thought you lost a job because of it.
Tell you the truth. I forgot that.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Oh oh yeah, So how did.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That conversation go, if you might share a little bit
about it. Once they found out before they moved you,
what did they say to you?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Well, you know what, I was kind of right when
they started having managers, I have to have a college degree,
and so I feel like and I was one of
the first women in the company. So I guess they
I mean, of course they didn't like it, and they
had to move us. They had to move me since
I was the other the shop people reunion, so they
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weren't happy about it, but they, I guess, were willing
to try to keep me there so that it just said,
we have to move you to a different department. You know,
not ever be on like the same out you can't
be as boss anymore, like.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Right, but no regrets? You how a happy life? What
about when you first had to tell your mom and
dad that you that somebody at work.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Older and network. Yeah, and yeah, that was I don't
know which was worse. Maybe, so probably that might have been.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
The worst one. That might have been the hard one.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, that was probably the harder one.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And how long have you all been married now.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
It'll be thirty years September.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And the grandparents and their grandmar Yes, I'm I thought
it was a perfect topic. I was hoping that you
would listen and call in, so join the conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, Pappy, early anniversary because it's going to be around
the corner for your thirtieth it is.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Thanks Michelle. Sorry about the funeral that you had to
go to. That's always sad.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Oh yeah, I know she was young.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
By Michelle.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So when we come back, I have a list of
pros and cons. Oh, I have office romance and I'm
sure you're interested in and we want those calls like that,
so keep the calls coming. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So our number six one four A two one nine
eighty eight six that is six one for A two
one WTVN. We do we want to hear your story
if you've been involved in office romance, whether it's a
manager or not. We were just kind of starting from hey,
and then Mandy brings us data. That's just like whoa
gen zers are.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okayating their manager a large number of them.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And so if you have people in your life kind
of like Cat, I don't know how you do more
After cat cat laid on the catld on the line.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I know somebody somebody that you thought, why are they dating?
I can't believe they're dating? So tell us We're here
to listen to you, right, That's.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's what we're doing, and I have the conversation six
one four eight tw one WTVN. This is what matters.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So have you ever been tempted to date somebody that
you work with? Now, think about it like this. You
really spend if you're working full time, you really do
spend a lot of time at work, and for the
most part, you're on the same team, right. A lot
of times, Johns are divided into teams and you are
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laughing with your coworkers. You're joking around, poking fun, having
great relationships, and innocently or not. Oftentimes, Mikayla, one thing
really does lead to another. You may not have any
intention at all to want to date someone at work,
but you can't help your feelings, and you can't help
when one thing does lead to another.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You can't And we want to hear from you guys
on this six one four eight two one nine eighty
eight six six one four a two to one wtv en.
You know, before I dated Marcus, who I met through work,
I dated a meteorologist at work. We went out on
one date.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, you're just a little work bimbo. I was gonna
say something else word.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I was young, how about that. I was like twenty
one years old.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But that's where you spent the majority of your time.
When you're in your twenties, you're working all the time
and it's new to you. You're right out of college,
so you're so invested to your job. You want to
impress people that you work with, and sometimes those relationships
just build.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, And I was a little innocent, and so I
went on this one date and I took him with
my high school best friend and her husband because I
was back at home working and he was a little
bit of a bimbo at work and I didn't like that.
So one date and I heard about the other women
and I was like, I'm done, so Marcus.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So he got around at work.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This meteorologist did. So Marcus came to me one night
when I was producing the newscast and you know, you're
sitting at your desk, you're doing the rundown, and you
know how.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Dirty a floor is in a newsroom, right, so dirty?
He literally must have been he'd written his story. He
was must not have been going out live. And he
laid down on the floor with his knees up in
the air, and he's like, why won't you date me?
Just why can't we just go on a date.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And I was like, I just did this with a
coworker who ended up being in our wedding. When were
even in our wedding, the Cris is like whoa, And
you know, I was just like I just I don't
like it. And I at that point was like, is
this what a newsroom is like? Like bunch of young
people that are like feeling their oats? And so we
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became good friends first, and we think we started dating.
I took him to Christmas Mass he was from Texas,
sometime in twenty it was two thousand and one, we
think it. But we were more friends than anything and
that is how that started. I never would have imagined it,
and I was real cautious about it, and he was
not my manager and I was not his. Would I
change it, obviously No. But you know, you are working
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in really close quarters with each other and really focused
on the same thing, like you said, from a team perspective, right.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I remember I never worked with this person at Channel four.
She was there before I was there. But my gosh,
the stories about the number of people who she would
we'll call it date from the same station and they
would have these dates right there at the station, sometimes
go back to the corners. Yeah, Like that's so wild.
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So to me, it can't be blind to the fact
that it happens. I think it happens a lot more
often than most people want to admit. I know what.
We know another couple, very good friends of ours that
were both married and they met at work and now
they're married to each other and they have a wonderful
life together. But a boy didn't start out that way,
and they took a lot of heat for starting to
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date because they each had different separate line.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I know someone who's currently on air right now who
that happened with as well. Not dropping any names. But
you know, I think that can happen.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
What happens a lot in TV news.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Maybe it does, and it might happen more in TV
than other places. I don't know. That is our.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Experience hours and things like that for sure. Yeah, And
like I said, you can't help who you fall for.
And if this is the right person who you're supposed
to be with for the rest of your life, why
should work come between that?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
We know too much.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I know we do know too much. Okay, So before
we went to break I told you there was some
pros and cons that we're written out here. Pros of
dating in the workplace. First of all, opportunity true, Okay,
there's a lot more opportunities to meet people with the
same interest face to face. I am glad that people
are getting away from dating apps. I really am go
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face to face, be part of a community. That was
a big topic in church today. How the world that
we live in right now is trying to separate and
divide community. There's so many things you can do on
your own. Why join a gym when you can have
weights in your basement. Why go into a grocery store
when you can order and have someone bring it to you.
Why go to church when you can watch it online?
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Why go out and meet people.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
When you can date on an app?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right, it was a really good service. I enjoyed it anyway.
Another pro to it is starting out as friends, and
a lot of times those are the best relationship. When
you start out as friends, one thing's leads to another.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, thank you, guys. I agree.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Getting to know character because at the workplace you will
really see someone's true character come out. And again that's
that carries on for the next point. Character is revealed
over time, especially in the workplace. Cons of dating in
the workplace, having an affair with a coworker. A lot
of times this is how it starts. That's always looked
down upon. It's never good idea. I mean, I do
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get the world how exploded with that whole cold Play incident.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, right, ruined lives.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Ruined lives. So that's definitely a con. Another one sexual harassment.
The risk is real, it is, so you may think
it's a nice and innocent thing, but then they could
turn on you. Never a good idea for that one.
The impact of job performance.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, I mean maybe if you're hanging out too much
and not getting work done. Yeah, so that could.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Cause something in there and then the other one breaking
up when you work together. We kind of touched on that,
how awkward would that be for so many people that
you work with?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And I think we also know people from our business,
you know, in the past that that had happened to
and I think a lot of times somebody would leave,
leave the market, go somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, that's rough. So that was our conversation. We appreciated
the calls, but always fun to hear from you guys,
our listeners. We know there's more stories out there.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
We do.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We're just waiting to hear them.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You guys are just shy toad except for Cat.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Except for Cat Catill. We love you, Cat Cat. You
told it all. We're going to give away some tickets
to the air show next weekend in Columbus, two family
four packs. That's what's coming up next here on what
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you ever want to date someone in your workplace? But thought,
you know what, I can't. I actually can't do this
because it's against the bylaws of the company.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Great question, and we got here because you saw something
this last week that indicated we might be swinging away
from these apps that people have been using for the
last decade.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you more about that survey in just
a moment. We want to go to the phone lines.
It looks like Cayden, we were earlier talking about the
NCAA kind of giving Michigan a slap on the wrist
with their infractions. Did you want to comment on that
before we do this office workplace conversation?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, Hey, Mindy and MICHAELA.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
How are we doing this easing?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's Sunday. We love a Funday Sunday.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well. Yeah, the whole Michigan punishment thing. I'm going to
tell you what, honest, I knew there was gonna be
a few pre precautions that were gonna be going down
with that. But you know what, I'm not worried because
November twenty ninth, that's when the real hammer is gonna
drop down, and that's why I was saying, it's going
up to Ann Arbor to kick the living crap out
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of the in the football game. So that's all that
I am concerned with at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, let's hope so because it's been a while since
the Buck guys have done that, so we need to
definitely do that this year.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, and you know what the also thing is, Michael
or Mindy Oh, So I want to give a special
shout out to your daughter for the congratulator for congratulations
on the coaching job. I saw that on Facebook, and
if you don't follow me on Facebook, please do.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I saw it on Facebook and I was like, that
girl should be a coach, and I know she's gonna
be doing an amazing job and she's gonna inspire a lot
of women to play, you know, softball. So give her
from me and the.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Head coach of a travel team. So thank you, Kay,
and we appreciate it. You're always so nice.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And I do want to say this on behalf of
me and the buddy is that Mason Sun's Dumpsters Abouncertainly
their mom is a big fan of your radio show
and she listens to your show every Sunday, and she
loves what you guys always talked about on the show.
So that's a big shout out from you guys from
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Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, well, Kate, good to hear from you. Have a
great rest of your Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, tell them we said, hi.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yep, do tell you you too. You know, when I
was at the church picnic earlier today, Before we go
back to our dating topic, I'll just share some guy
came up to me who had no clue that I
did TV for you know, seven eight years here, and
he was like, I just really enjoy your radio show
that you do with Mindy on Sundays. We really just
love your topics and what you talk about. And I
(02:59):
was like, thank you, and he's like.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
No, what when you hear that from people, it doesn't
mean a lot. I love to hear that.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Sure, Yeah, I think we have I think you get
what you get. We have fun, we talk about real
stuff and that we enjoy these two hours.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And this one's real stuff, but I can't get a
little racy, and I we're just so interested. If anyone
out there listening has ever had an office romance? Did
it work? Did it not work? Will you frowned down
upon because of it?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
So?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
This new survey Global Dating Insights new survey data suggests
the growing number of younger workers are turning away from
dating apps and meeting partners in the workplace instead. Gen Zers,
we're also the most likely to report having a relationship
with their manager. What The data also shows that the
(03:49):
taboo is going away from younger whirler orkers. Nearly sixty
percent of millennials and forty nine percent of gen z
say workplace romance has become more accepted.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Okay, read me the manager stat again one more time.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Gen Zers were also the most likely to report having
a relationship with their manager.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
How many thoughts, so many thoughts. We want to hear
from you, guys.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
This is only going to work if you, guys, call
in and let us know the deal, the juicy deal.
If you ever attempted to date somebody who you worked with,
or your manager Elle Michelle if you're listening, or your
manager Michelle, if you're listening. You ended up. I won't
say where you guys worked, but you met your now
husband because they worked together, and I think it was
(04:34):
kind of frowned upon. Only one of them could keep
their job, but their marriage worked there. They've got two
great girls. They met at work and happily ever after
you and Marcus met at.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Work, we did, and I'll tell the story. But six
one four eighty eight six six one four eight two
one WTV and I was his producer, which I think
you know that, and you know we became friends before
it became more than friends, and I remember we didn't
tell anybody. And what I'm trying to remember, Mindy, is
if it was frowned upon or contractually there was something
(05:10):
in his contract where that couldn't have happened.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
No, you could put in your contract that you had
to act a certain way out in public, or you
could lose your job.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right. So I remember when I was producing the eleven
o'clock newscast and the main anchor was a very good
friend of mine, became a very good friend of mine.
She was probably four or five years older than me,
and I remember when we laughed about this because you
would slip up almost when you were like, oh, I'm
gonna go hang out with Marcus after the show. She knew,
(05:39):
but other people didn't know, and we would all go
to this place called the ninety nine Club. You would
have loved it. It's like a Moose style situation. It
was literally next door to the station, and so we
would go to the Yeah, we'd go to the ninety
nine after, you know, the eleven or the ten o'clock newscast,
and they talked about going to the Butcher.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I was going.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I was going to see the butcher instead of markets.
I have no clue I said that, but we were
howling with laughter, and it worked out. I mean, I
eventually wasn't his producer anymore. I started reporting again, and
then eventually we were co anchors and all that good stuff.
But yeah, I mean I didn't know I would meet
someone at work. I had no clue that was going
(06:22):
to happen in my life.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But then you got married and you were both hired
at Channel four together the news director Stan Sanders.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Is it stand stand?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, Stan took a chance and hired you both together.
So there's there's pros and cons about it. Some people say,
you know what, it's a. It's a mistake to do
because if you break up, you still have to face
each other at the workplace, and that could cause turmoil
with coworkers.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It definitely could. So six one four a two one
nine eight eight six six one four eight two one
WTV and Kat, we see you there. We are just
wanting to hear your story, chump at the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Rare cat on the phone lines for you. Cat, Are
you with us?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yes, I wanted to tell you that the young people
out there should be encouraged to avoid this like the plague,
because I personally know someone very close related to me
who got involved with her boss, got pregnant and ended
up having to have an abortion. She was married and
(07:29):
her best friend was involved with the president of the company.
Everyone knew about it. It was all this big secret
and guess what, Suddenly he died of a heart attack
and she lost her job and couldn't even go to
the funeral. The wife was there. I mean, it can
just be a nightmare. Stay away from romance at work.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Oh my god, we're processing this like the worst case scenario.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah, I know both. I know I know both women.
I'm related to one. So I'm telling you it can
be awful.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, Kat, I agree with not dating a manager, a boss,
the president of the company when you're in a subordinate situation.
I fully agree with you. We have rules like that
at work. I'm do you think a lot of people
I mean, Mindy's data is showing that, but do you
think a lot of people are breaking that barrier with
(08:26):
managers like these girls? Do they know other girls with
this is happening with managers and bosses.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
They sleep their way to the top.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
I'm telling you, wow, cat on it today, because you know,
we've always heard that and we've knows we may have
seen instances as yet.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Like I'm sure this person got that job because of this, Kat.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
No, no, I know, I know why they got the job.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I know both women.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's what they do a cat And that's the thing.
Like I have this belief and Mindy knows it. It's
not Paullyanna, but like I have this belief in humanity
and people trying to do a good job to get promoted.
And when I hear something like this, it strikes at
my heart. It really does.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It happens. I can't deny, I.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Know, but I just expect more of people I don't know, And.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I just think that the young people out there need
to be encouraged to do the right thing to avoid trouble.
And I know your your situation was great and it
turned out good but awful.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, I wasn't his boss either, cat Like, even though
I was his producer. We were peers, so totally it
was a bit of a different situation. But I'm with you,
stay away from manager, stay away.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Hey, Kat. Yeah, we got for juicy.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And we got Juicy kicked us off.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm so glad that you called in this. It may
be the juiciest call we've ever.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Had here on the What Matters.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So call back again anytime, Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Kat, Okay, all right, thanks, We're going.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
To go to Michelle. Michelle, we're talking about office romance.
Did you ever date anyone that you worked with or
were you ever tempted to or do you have a
juicy story like Cat did?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Hello, Oh this is Michelle, Michelle.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You we just talked about you.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Oh, we did it. I just walked in from some
calling hours and so I just got on and so
I didn't hear what you said about me.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But well we were romance. We yes, So we were
talking about your office romance. Did you happen? I'm just curious.
Did you hear kat before you? Were you able to
hear her audio?
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I only heard the end about young people we need
to be careful or something like that.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I was like, oh, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She said girls will sleep their way to the top.
And then Michelle called, Okay, Michelle, we know you have
a story with it. Yeah, yeah, tell Mikayla set it
up for everybody, because you guys, we didn't. I didn't
name the company. I didn't say where you guys worked,
because it's a very well known company in town. I'll
just say that much. We go ahead, Michelle set it
(11:05):
up for us.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yeah, So I was young at the college and I
ended up being.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
His boss and so.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
And that was a no no of course that company whatever.
So eventually when they did find out about it, we uh,
they moved me to another department and we ended up
getting married and everything was fine. I ended up leaving
the company for other reasons, just better hours or something,
(11:37):
but they wanted me to stay and everything. So everything left, okay,
But it was just funny because now we joked that
I was his boss at work, and I was the
boss at home.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well, because Chuck, your husband, he had worked there for
how many years before you got there?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yeah, probably fifteen twenty the most.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But yeah, so I'm curious typically did they let people
go or I love that they allowed you to move
to a different department.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I thought you lost a job because of it.
Tell you the truth. I forgot that.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Oh oh yeah, So how did.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That conversation go, if you might share a little bit
about it. Once they found out before they moved you,
what did they say to you?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Well, you know what, I was kind of right when
they started having managers, I have to have a college degree,
and so I feel like and I was one of
the first women in the company. So I guess they
I mean, of course they didn't like it, and they
had to move us. They had to move me since
I was the other the shop people reunion, so they
(12:41):
weren't happy about it, but they, I guess, were willing
to try to keep me there so that it just said,
we have to move you to a different department. You know,
not ever be on like the same out you can't
be as boss anymore, like.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Right, but no regrets? You how a happy life? What
about when you first had to tell your mom and
dad that you that somebody at work.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Older and network. Yeah, and yeah, that was I don't
know which was worse. Maybe, so probably that might have been.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
The worst one. That might have been the hard one.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, that was probably the harder one.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And how long have you all been married now.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
It'll be thirty years September.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And the grandparents and their grandmar Yes, I'm I thought
it was a perfect topic. I was hoping that you
would listen and call in, so join the conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, Pappy, early anniversary because it's going to be around
the corner for your thirtieth it is.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Thanks Michelle. Sorry about the funeral that you had to
go to. That's always sad.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Oh yeah, I know she was young.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
By Michelle.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So when we come back, I have a list of
pros and cons. Oh, I have office romance and I'm
sure you're interested in and we want those calls like that,
so keep the calls coming. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So our number six one four A two one nine
eighty eight six that is six one for A two
one WTVN. We do we want to hear your story
if you've been involved in office romance, whether it's a
manager or not. We were just kind of starting from hey,
and then Mandy brings us data. That's just like whoa
gen zers are.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okayating their manager a large number of them.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And so if you have people in your life kind
of like Cat, I don't know how you do more
After cat cat laid on the catld on the line.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I know somebody somebody that you thought, why are they dating?
I can't believe they're dating? So tell us We're here
to listen to you, right, That's.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's what we're doing, and I have the conversation six
one four eight tw one WTVN. This is what matters.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So have you ever been tempted to date somebody that
you work with? Now, think about it like this. You
really spend if you're working full time, you really do
spend a lot of time at work, and for the
most part, you're on the same team, right. A lot
of times, Johns are divided into teams and you are
(15:07):
laughing with your coworkers. You're joking around, poking fun, having
great relationships, and innocently or not. Oftentimes, Mikayla, one thing
really does lead to another. You may not have any
intention at all to want to date someone at work,
but you can't help your feelings, and you can't help
when one thing does lead to another.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You can't And we want to hear from you guys
on this six one four eight two one nine eighty
eight six six one four a two to one wtv en.
You know, before I dated Marcus, who I met through work,
I dated a meteorologist at work. We went out on
one date.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, you're just a little work bimbo. I was gonna
say something else word.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I was young, how about that. I was like twenty
one years old.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But that's where you spent the majority of your time.
When you're in your twenties, you're working all the time
and it's new to you. You're right out of college,
so you're so invested to your job. You want to
impress people that you work with, and sometimes those relationships
just build.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, And I was a little innocent, and so I
went on this one date and I took him with
my high school best friend and her husband because I
was back at home working and he was a little
bit of a bimbo at work and I didn't like that.
So one date and I heard about the other women
and I was like, I'm done, so Marcus.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So he got around at work.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
This meteorologist did. So Marcus came to me one night
when I was producing the newscast and you know, you're
sitting at your desk, you're doing the rundown, and you
know how.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Dirty a floor is in a newsroom, right, so dirty?
He literally must have been he'd written his story. He
was must not have been going out live. And he
laid down on the floor with his knees up in
the air, and he's like, why won't you date me?
Just why can't we just go on a date.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And I was like, I just did this with a
coworker who ended up being in our wedding. When were
even in our wedding, the Cris is like whoa, And
you know, I was just like I just I don't
like it. And I at that point was like, is
this what a newsroom is like? Like bunch of young
people that are like feeling their oats? And so we
(17:15):
became good friends first, and we think we started dating.
I took him to Christmas Mass he was from Texas,
sometime in twenty it was two thousand and one, we
think it. But we were more friends than anything and
that is how that started. I never would have imagined it,
and I was real cautious about it, and he was
not my manager and I was not his. Would I
change it, obviously No. But you know, you are working
(17:39):
in really close quarters with each other and really focused
on the same thing, like you said, from a team perspective, right.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I remember I never worked with this person at Channel four.
She was there before I was there. But my gosh,
the stories about the number of people who she would
we'll call it date from the same station and they
would have these dates right there at the station, sometimes
go back to the corners. Yeah, Like that's so wild.
(18:09):
So to me, it can't be blind to the fact
that it happens. I think it happens a lot more
often than most people want to admit. I know what.
We know another couple, very good friends of ours that
were both married and they met at work and now
they're married to each other and they have a wonderful
life together. But a boy didn't start out that way,
and they took a lot of heat for starting to
(18:31):
date because they each had different separate line.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I know someone who's currently on air right now who
that happened with as well. Not dropping any names. But
you know, I think that can happen.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
What happens a lot in TV news.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Maybe it does, and it might happen more in TV
than other places. I don't know. That is our.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Experience hours and things like that for sure. Yeah, And
like I said, you can't help who you fall for.
And if this is the right person who you're supposed
to be with for the rest of your life, why
should work come between that?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
We know too much.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I know we do know too much. Okay, So before
we went to break I told you there was some
pros and cons that we're written out here. Pros of
dating in the workplace. First of all, opportunity true, Okay,
there's a lot more opportunities to meet people with the
same interest face to face. I am glad that people
are getting away from dating apps. I really am go
(19:25):
face to face, be part of a community. That was
a big topic in church today. How the world that
we live in right now is trying to separate and
divide community. There's so many things you can do on
your own. Why join a gym when you can have
weights in your basement. Why go into a grocery store
when you can order and have someone bring it to you.
Why go to church when you can watch it online?
(19:47):
Why go out and meet people.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
When you can date on an app?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right, it was a really good service. I enjoyed it anyway.
Another pro to it is starting out as friends, and
a lot of times those are the best relationship. When
you start out as friends, one thing's leads to another.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, thank you, guys. I agree.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Getting to know character because at the workplace you will
really see someone's true character come out. And again that's
that carries on for the next point. Character is revealed
over time, especially in the workplace. Cons of dating in
the workplace, having an affair with a coworker. A lot
of times this is how it starts. That's always looked
down upon. It's never good idea. I mean, I do
(20:28):
get the world how exploded with that whole cold Play incident.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, right, ruined lives.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Ruined lives. So that's definitely a con. Another one sexual harassment.
The risk is real, it is, so you may think
it's a nice and innocent thing, but then they could
turn on you. Never a good idea for that one.
The impact of job performance.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, I mean maybe if you're hanging out too much
and not getting work done. Yeah, so that could.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Cause something in there and then the other one breaking
up when you work together. We kind of touched on that,
how awkward would that be for so many people that
you work with?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And I think we also know people from our business,
you know, in the past that that had happened to
and I think a lot of times somebody would leave,
leave the market, go somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, that's rough. So that was our conversation. We appreciated
the calls, but always fun to hear from you guys,
our listeners. We know there's more stories out there.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
We do.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
We're just waiting to hear them.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You guys are just shy toad except for Cat.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Except for Cat Catill. We love you, Cat Cat. You
told it all. We're going to give away some tickets
to the air show next weekend in Columbus, two family
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