September 21, 2025 • 21 mins
Mindy and Mikaela speak with Ann Hurst from Open Arms Counseling!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Long in Dublin at Coffman Park. It was such a
great event as the Dublin Pet Fair. There were so
many people here, so many pets, so many booths, so
many free giveaways for everything that I think we need
to do this each year. It's just great to see
happy people and to see people who absolutely one hundred
percent love their pets and treat them like family.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I had a woman over with me in a wheelchair
in the pouring down rain with her dog and wanted
to meet everybody still as it was pouring and was
going from tent to tent meeting people. That is the
kind of love and community that we experienced here.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Today, absolutely, but not every family situation is like that.
But what we're going to talk about today with open
Arms canceling out, Open Arms counseling with Anne Hurst and
you're on the line with us, correct, do.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We have ann Do we know I'm here? Oh? Yes, Okay,
Hopefully there's not too much of a delay.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We had a little bit of a delay issue when
we were playing Rivia and it was kind of hard
to get through.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
But hopefully will be okay.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And we want to talk about the emotional support that
animals bring us into our lives when we need it
the most.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Oh, they're amazing. Yes, they do so much for us
improve our mood. They combat depression, anxiety, all of the above.
And they also give us something to take care of,
so that gets us out of the house to do things.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's a really good point of something to take care of.
Especially think about those who are grieving and mourning Mindy
and Anne. I think having a pet can be really
really helpful probably in those moments because you do have
something to take care of, and you do have something
that love to you and a when I say something,
a a dog person if you will like and do
(01:50):
you see that with folks who are dealing when they've
lost a spouse or lost someone in their family.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I truly do. Absolutely when you have a pet, you
can ravish love on the pet. You also have companionship,
that companionship that you really need so that the house
doesn't feel so empty.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You know what, Anne, I swear our dogs know they
can read our feelings. I'm not much of a crier,
but when something major happens and I need to just
sob if I'm thinking about my mom or if I'm
just something major happens and I sob.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
My dogs are by my.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Side in an instant and it's just comforting to be
able to cry into their fur.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, And the dogs do know, they absolutely know. They
can tell more about ourselves. We can tell that just
because of all of the different jobs that dogs do.
There are dogs that can tell if you're about to
have a seizure, or dogs that can tell if your
blood sugar is up or down, and they'll alert you
to it before any other mechanical thing will. So the
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dog can tell whether you're sick, whether you're sad, whether
you're happy, and they're there for You've.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Done different types of therapy, I believe within your practice
and the folks that you work with. Have you ever
brought dogs in as part of what you do? Is
that ever like a treatment possibility or do you partner
with anybody to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I have not as yet, I am. It's just in
the considering phase. I'm kind of doing some research. My
dog that I brought in, Buddy, he ended up getting
cancer in his leg and he had it amputated, so
he has three legs now and he's about the size
of a toddler or bigger. And I thought it would
(03:31):
be a great idea to take him to hospitals to
visit with kids. He loves them so much.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh, because what they've gone through, maybe they've lost a
limb and they can kind of relate to one another.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And also with.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You you've battled cancer. I mean I do think. I
do think dogs feed off of one another like that.
I read something on the air a while back, and
it was about personalities and their dogs and a lot
of time. The longer you have a dog, that dog
takes on your characteristics and your personality. If you're more
shy and more reserved, chances are the pet that you
(04:09):
have is going to be that same way. If you're
very outgoing and you want to go meet and greet everybody,
that dog is going to be that same way with people.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Do you believe that as a counselor.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I do, I really do. You can get so close
to your pets, even your cats. I mean I used
to be a cat person one hundred percent, but my
husband's allergic. But cats as well. They can tell how
you're feeling. They'll snuggle up to you when you're not
feeling so good. There's very intuitive. It's just that they're
a little bit more independent.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And I want to turn the page am in on
the segment for you because it has been such a
difficult time in this country for the course of the
last two weeks. A lot of people are struggling, a
lot of people are sad about everything that happened with
Charlie Kirk. What have you've seen and what have you
heard with some of the folks you've been talking to.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
About what they're really struggling with with this right now?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think that this has been a weird It has
been a really hard two weeks. And what I am
seeing is that there are a number of people that
are looking at this saying, how horrible, what a tragedy
this person being shot and killed for his thoughts, for
his sharing his beliefs, for wanting people who didn't agree
(05:24):
with him to come forward and to have a conversation.
And I think that a lot of people have seen
some of the celebrations and the negative aspects or what's
come out, and they're just horrified by it. Nobody, nobody,
I don't care what your belief system is, what side
you're on, should ever lose their life over their thoughts.
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And then we've been seeing horrible mourning and.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Sadness, and like you said, to have some people, a
lot of people celebrate that death.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That is horrific to me.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I don't know if I've ever I've ever seen so
much of that to this magnitude with something so horrific.
What does that say about those type of people? And
they were glorifying their celebration. They wanted to make videos
of themselves celebrating and laughing at it, imitating it. There
was just a young man arrested on campus and then
he was expelled from school, kicked out of school a
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college campus where he was acting out Charlie Kirk being
shot and killed and spitting on the people who were
there to support Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What does that say about humanity these days?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I'm concerned. I feel very very sad for those people
who are celebrating. It comes from a place. Think about
all the places in the world where this has happened,
like North Korea or you know Hitler, Nazi Germany. I mean,
I know Nazi has thrown around so much it no
longer has meaning. However, it's kind of an innate thing
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and a person where they need to do something to
denigrate the life of the person in order to feel
better about being on the side that exterminated them.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, and I feel bad for Mindy because I've told
Mindy I have not seen the celebrations on my algorithms,
and I was talking to a couple other friends who
were moderate conservatives.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I would say and with it.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It was one of those situations where I've seen more
calls for peace, concern about what's going on. I have
not seen the level of celebrations. But Mandy, I will
also say this to you, and I've stayed off of Twitter.
I have stayed off of Twitter during this. I don't
even have a Twitter account, and I think that might
be and I know it's been a place to get
news and so I completely understand that, but I've been
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off of it. The other thing, though, that's been really
hard to see has been the videos. And I want
to talk about that because Mindy cheed it up. You know,
my kids saw these videos. Other people not as kids,
other people were traumatized by this. What do they do
because they saw these videos that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Went up online. Uh, yeah, that's another thing. I somebody
came in and said, look at this. Before I even
knew what I was looking at and.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Right, and then it was Sally was.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And it was too late. So I don't know when
it became okay to put an entire video of somebody's
death on anywhere. Kids who have seen that just really
important to talk to them about how this is horrible.
You shouldn't have had to see that. You're dealing with
some adult things right now, could you and ask them
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what is it that you saw there? What is it
that you have questions about? What do you have any
concerns or fears right now? And ask the child what's
going on for you? What do you need from me
right now in order to help you with this?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And we have to go to breaker up against the
time right here, But can you hang on the line
because I kind of want your thoughts and opinions as
someone who deals with people all the time is as
far as where do we go from here?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What happens next? Can you hang on the line with us?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I sure can?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, okay, this is what matters on six' TEN wtvn.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
When Pet fair happened from noon to kind of five.
Today but the rain chased a little bit of the crowd,
away but not. Much it was a great, event and
we talked a lot about what pets can really do
to us as. People they add so much positivity to our.
Life sometimes when our life is, down we all go through,
adversity we all go through really really tough. Times it's
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so cool to able to have an animal by your,
side no matter what the situation, is no matter, what
they're there for.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You they're there for you all the.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Time AND i love that about our pets and our.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Animals So Ann, hurst With Open Arms, counseling we talked
to every single, month is on the line and we
were having the conversation of, seriously how animals can help
our mental.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Health but how hard this last.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Week and a half has been because of the murder
Of Charlie kirk and seeing that video and all the
events that unfolded around. It you see the prayer, vigils
you see people weeping in. Tears in, FACT i ran
into a friend Of mikayla's yesterday and she said to, Me,
anne she, Said, MINDY i don't know Why i'm having
such a hard time with. THIS i never Met Charlie,
KIRK i never knew, him BUT i am so crushed
(10:43):
by all of this that, happened AND i think a
lot of it was because we saw him get killed
in front of our own eyes and that horrific, video
and because he was such a Good christian man and
it was in front of his wife and. Kids how
does that not affect you as a human, Being, Anne,
oh it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Would need to affect you in one way or another
as a human. Being and you're absolutely. RIGHT i do
believe this is like it was like a public. EXECUTION
i think that's why it's affecting people the way it.
Is and he was an amazing man who lived by
his values but loved, everybody even the people who had differing.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Opinions, well AND i think that's what is getting lost some,
here loving those who have different. Opinions and WHEN i
hear about the things That mindy has shared or our
Producer larry has shared today makes me. Sick the people
will be celebrating because he honestly did want to have,
conversations AND i think that's the most important thing we
(11:42):
can do in, life because we're all going to have
a difference of opinion on a spectrum of. Things but
if you cannot have a conversation about it without fear
of being murdered for your. Opinion we have a real
problem in The United states Of.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
AMERICA i agree with, that AND i think that where
that starts is when people are encouraged to cut people
off because they have a different belief people, saying don't
go to Somebody's thanksgiving because they're maga and you're, not
or don't cut your family members, off cut your friends.
Off that's where it. Starts AND i think the way
(12:16):
we heal is we stop cutting people off and we
start reaching across and, saying, hey you think differently THAN i.
Do let's have a conversation about. It let's see who you.
Are there are a number of people That Charlie kirk
went on their podcasts that had very different, beliefs and
not a single one of them is celebrating his. Death in,
fact every single one is coming on and saying this
(12:39):
was a good. Man This so it's pretty. Happened so
it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Interesting mindya haven't shared this with, You but the kind
of things THAT i am seeing are like, this do
you guys know Who Van jones is WITH? Cnn So
Van jones got online and him And Charlie kirk were not.
Friends they didn't agree on. Anything they beefed off their
they beefed on. Air the day Before Charlie kirk, Died
charlie sent and a direct message On twitter and he
shared it finally within the last couple of, days and it, Said, Hey,
(13:05):
VAN i mean. It i'd love to have you on
my show to have a respectful conversation about crime and.
RACE i would be a, gentleman AS i know you
would be as. Well we can disagree about the issues.
Agreeably it is On twitter and its, dms and that
is the kind of content THAT i am seeing, currently
people saying it's okay to disagree and to have a.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Conversation, well you're.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Lucky BECAUSE i have seen so much, negativity so much
that this is the first time in my, life And
Larry michael and everybody, listening it's the first and the
only time in my life That i've actually defriended people
BECAUSE i don't want to see any more of that.
NOISE i don't need it in my, HEART i don't
need it in my. HEAD i don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
IT i don't want to see personally that you knew
celebrating Celebrating, yeah, Absolutely and So i'm ill like It's
i've never defriended, people BUT i was.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Done i'm like, THIS i DON'T i don't want that
in my.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Life all there are people that you, knew.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah people who friends with, them faced.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Nobody THAT i actually. Knew DID i see. Celebrating i'm
not saying that none of them, did BUT i haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It these are people who we've connected through On.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Facebook most of the people in my, WORLD i, MEAN
i ninety nine point nine percent feel AS i. Do
and it's not LIKE i only hang around people who
agree with me or we have the same.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Thoughts it's just.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Kind of who our circles have been revolved around my entire.
Life but that was the beauty Of Charlie kirk was
that he was able to have those. Conversations another THING
i wanted to ask, You, anne is how dangerous is
it that a lot of people believe in their own
self out of something that they hear and see and
it's just an ounce as, migment a segment of something
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from a larger, Scale like a lot of what he
was quoted on was completely taken out of. Context if
you look at the whole, story you would see why
he said those. Things how dangerous is that thought of
the world that we live.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
In they've taken snippets that did not reflect the entire,
conversation and they've also taken quotes where he was quoting
somebody else in order to refute the. Statement so, yeah
he's been misquoted a. LOT i think the biggest danger
is THAT i don't know whether this is because we
started teaching to a test or not teaching critical. Thinking but,
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people And i'm not saying all. People some people are
inclined to just believe what they've been told and don't go.
FURTHER i am also seeing a lot of, people at
least on, YouTube posting videos, Saying, OKAY i believed you
and then this. Happened SO i decided to look up
(15:40):
these quotes and this is not a racist, man this
is not a homophobic. Man and they're SAYING i was.
Deceived And i'm seeing a lot of that, too which
really does it's people that are critically, think.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Right there's no way that man was a.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Racist you know what he does The bible win and
that's all he wanted to do was bring more and
more people to lead their life Like Jesus christ. Does
and you know WHAT i, heard so many of his
people who were so close to, him saying through this last,
week If Charlie kirk would have known the difference he,
made if he would have really known the millions of
people who are now turning To, god who are going
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to church in this last, week two weeks, now and
how many people have now wanted to start this turning
point IN usa.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Chapter if he would have known, that he would have.
Died he died for the.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Reason AND i want to ask you also about conspiracy,
theories BECAUSE i think there's a lot of that on
the internet right now as. Well so the things that
are peeking into my feed mindy are conspiracy. Theories Candice,
owens who is very very close To Charlie, kirk it
has been an odd week for, her what do you
want to tell people about falling too far down in
(16:53):
a rabbit hole on conspiracy? Theories Because i'm sure this
is something mentally that some people are more app to
maybe potentially is the way THAT i want to put,
It so what can you say about?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That WHAT i say, is most of the time in this,
world we're never going to know all of the information
for a conspiracy, theory and what we do need to
do is watch our own mental health and our own,
safety our own basically mental. Health and the best way
to do that is to think what Would Charlie kirk
want us to? Do and he would want us to
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start talking to each. Other it doesn't matter what side
of the aisle you're, on doesn't matter what your thoughts,
are start talking to each other because he always said
that when you stop, talking violence. Happens if you start,
talking that's what stops the.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Violence how about?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
This And, larry our, producer has been monitoring the funeral
since the very, beginning and hopefully there will be some
people coming together and putting their differences. Aside, larry Tell
anne and everybody listening what you just, witnessed what you just.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Saw so a few minutes, ago they did a cut
away To President. Trump he's sitting in one of the sweets,
upstairs and sitting outside him Was Elon musk and the
two of them were talking and smiling and joking and
they shook. Hands AND i Believe musk is going to
be one of the next ones to.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Speak but.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It was an unsurprised you, know it was not.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Expected, yeah good way to put. It not expect to
give in the last few.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Months, yeah because we know the world knows that they've
been at. Odds maybe it takes something like this for
people to come together and put their differences aside once
and for.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
All.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh, Absolutely AND i know That Charlie kirk would be
honored to see how many people are coming together and having. Conversations.
NOW i know that there's a whole bunch of college
kids that are starting to set up tables saying putting
a statement on there and, saying change my. Mind AND
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i think that there has been a birth of thousands
Of Charlie kirk's that are going to the colleges right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Now it's a, movement it's a, revival it's a, movement
and it is exactly what we need right now in our.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
World it really.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Is his legacy.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Will live on.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Forever and now that his wife is going to be
THE ceo Of Turning POINT, usa you know that contradicts
everything that people believed About Charlie. Kirk, oh he just
wants women to not get an, education to just stay
at home and brace kids because that's their.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Place he never's the.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
One who know exactly his own wife is going to
take care and held up his company, Now oh.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Absolutely and the FUNNIEST i never knew, this BUT i
saw this video of How Charlie kirk met his wife
AND i had.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Never experienced all.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
That, yeah the best story. Ever it was a job
interview and at the end of the job, interview she
was so. Impressive it's, Like i'm not going to hire,
YOU i want to date.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You and he told his little daughter the story of
how they. Meant and that's the saddest part is that
you heard a lot Of Charlie kirk's closest friends, say
you know, what what kills me the most IS i
just walked my son to school. Today Charlie kirk will
never have that opportunity to do those life moments because
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of a twenty two year old punk who decided to
take his life because he disagreed with the Way Charlie
kirk lived his.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Life AND i, think whether you have someone in your
life that's dealing with mental health problems like that twenty
two year old probably was prior to, this or you're grieving,
Something Open arms has a place for. You so and
before you, go can you tell everybody how to get
a hold of you and your.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Team just give us a. Call at six one, four,
six two five seven one eighty three or go. Online
we are there to help no matter what side of
the spectrum you are. On we're there.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All, right open arms. Counseling look them up there everywhere
on Social and if you've been watching the funeral Of
Charlie kirk and you want to call us, up we
about a half an hour left of the, show twenty
twenty five. Minutes let us know what you, think let
us know what you, saw what's stuck out in your?
Heart where do you think we go from here as
a country six one four eight two one nine eight
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Speaker 2 (21:04):
Us, Up Thanks anne so. Much this is what matters
on six' ten wtvn
Long in Dublin at Coffman Park. It was such a
great event as the Dublin Pet Fair. There were so
many people here, so many pets, so many booths, so
many free giveaways for everything that I think we need
to do this each year. It's just great to see
happy people and to see people who absolutely one hundred
percent love their pets and treat them like family.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I had a woman over with me in a wheelchair
in the pouring down rain with her dog and wanted
to meet everybody still as it was pouring and was
going from tent to tent meeting people. That is the
kind of love and community that we experienced here.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Today, absolutely, but not every family situation is like that.
But what we're going to talk about today with open
Arms canceling out, Open Arms counseling with Anne Hurst and
you're on the line with us, correct, do.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We have ann Do we know I'm here? Oh? Yes, Okay,
Hopefully there's not too much of a delay.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We had a little bit of a delay issue when
we were playing Rivia and it was kind of hard
to get through.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
But hopefully will be okay.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And we want to talk about the emotional support that
animals bring us into our lives when we need it
the most.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Oh, they're amazing. Yes, they do so much for us
improve our mood. They combat depression, anxiety, all of the above.
And they also give us something to take care of,
so that gets us out of the house to do things.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's a really good point of something to take care of.
Especially think about those who are grieving and mourning Mindy
and Anne. I think having a pet can be really
really helpful probably in those moments because you do have
something to take care of, and you do have something
that love to you and a when I say something,
a a dog person if you will like and do
(01:50):
you see that with folks who are dealing when they've
lost a spouse or lost someone in their family.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I truly do. Absolutely when you have a pet, you
can ravish love on the pet. You also have companionship,
that companionship that you really need so that the house
doesn't feel so empty.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You know what, Anne, I swear our dogs know they
can read our feelings. I'm not much of a crier,
but when something major happens and I need to just
sob if I'm thinking about my mom or if I'm
just something major happens and I sob.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
My dogs are by my.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Side in an instant and it's just comforting to be
able to cry into their fur.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, And the dogs do know, they absolutely know. They
can tell more about ourselves. We can tell that just
because of all of the different jobs that dogs do.
There are dogs that can tell if you're about to
have a seizure, or dogs that can tell if your
blood sugar is up or down, and they'll alert you
to it before any other mechanical thing will. So the
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dog can tell whether you're sick, whether you're sad, whether
you're happy, and they're there for You've.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Done different types of therapy, I believe within your practice
and the folks that you work with. Have you ever
brought dogs in as part of what you do? Is
that ever like a treatment possibility or do you partner
with anybody to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I have not as yet, I am. It's just in
the considering phase. I'm kind of doing some research. My
dog that I brought in, Buddy, he ended up getting
cancer in his leg and he had it amputated, so
he has three legs now and he's about the size
of a toddler or bigger. And I thought it would
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be a great idea to take him to hospitals to
visit with kids. He loves them so much.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh, because what they've gone through, maybe they've lost a
limb and they can kind of relate to one another.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And also with.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You you've battled cancer. I mean I do think. I
do think dogs feed off of one another like that.
I read something on the air a while back, and
it was about personalities and their dogs and a lot
of time. The longer you have a dog, that dog
takes on your characteristics and your personality. If you're more
shy and more reserved, chances are the pet that you
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have is going to be that same way. If you're
very outgoing and you want to go meet and greet everybody,
that dog is going to be that same way with people.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Do you believe that as a counselor.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I do, I really do. You can get so close
to your pets, even your cats. I mean I used
to be a cat person one hundred percent, but my
husband's allergic. But cats as well. They can tell how
you're feeling. They'll snuggle up to you when you're not
feeling so good. There's very intuitive. It's just that they're
a little bit more independent.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And I want to turn the page am in on
the segment for you because it has been such a
difficult time in this country for the course of the
last two weeks. A lot of people are struggling, a
lot of people are sad about everything that happened with
Charlie Kirk. What have you've seen and what have you
heard with some of the folks you've been talking to.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
About what they're really struggling with with this right now?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think that this has been a weird It has
been a really hard two weeks. And what I am
seeing is that there are a number of people that
are looking at this saying, how horrible, what a tragedy
this person being shot and killed for his thoughts, for
his sharing his beliefs, for wanting people who didn't agree
(05:24):
with him to come forward and to have a conversation.
And I think that a lot of people have seen
some of the celebrations and the negative aspects or what's
come out, and they're just horrified by it. Nobody, nobody,
I don't care what your belief system is, what side
you're on, should ever lose their life over their thoughts.
(05:50):
And then we've been seeing horrible mourning and.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Sadness, and like you said, to have some people, a
lot of people celebrate that death.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That is horrific to me.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I don't know if I've ever I've ever seen so
much of that to this magnitude with something so horrific.
What does that say about those type of people? And
they were glorifying their celebration. They wanted to make videos
of themselves celebrating and laughing at it, imitating it. There
was just a young man arrested on campus and then
he was expelled from school, kicked out of school a
(06:23):
college campus where he was acting out Charlie Kirk being
shot and killed and spitting on the people who were
there to support Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
What does that say about humanity these days?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I'm concerned. I feel very very sad for those people
who are celebrating. It comes from a place. Think about
all the places in the world where this has happened,
like North Korea or you know Hitler, Nazi Germany. I mean,
I know Nazi has thrown around so much it no
longer has meaning. However, it's kind of an innate thing
(06:58):
and a person where they need to do something to
denigrate the life of the person in order to feel
better about being on the side that exterminated them.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, and I feel bad for Mindy because I've told
Mindy I have not seen the celebrations on my algorithms,
and I was talking to a couple other friends who
were moderate conservatives.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I would say and with it.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It was one of those situations where I've seen more
calls for peace, concern about what's going on. I have
not seen the level of celebrations. But Mandy, I will
also say this to you, and I've stayed off of Twitter.
I have stayed off of Twitter during this. I don't
even have a Twitter account, and I think that might
be and I know it's been a place to get
news and so I completely understand that, but I've been
(07:41):
off of it. The other thing, though, that's been really
hard to see has been the videos. And I want
to talk about that because Mindy cheed it up. You know,
my kids saw these videos. Other people not as kids,
other people were traumatized by this. What do they do
because they saw these videos that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Went up online. Uh, yeah, that's another thing. I somebody
came in and said, look at this. Before I even
knew what I was looking at and.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Right, and then it was Sally was.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And it was too late. So I don't know when
it became okay to put an entire video of somebody's
death on anywhere. Kids who have seen that just really
important to talk to them about how this is horrible.
You shouldn't have had to see that. You're dealing with
some adult things right now, could you and ask them
(08:30):
what is it that you saw there? What is it
that you have questions about? What do you have any
concerns or fears right now? And ask the child what's
going on for you? What do you need from me
right now in order to help you with this?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And we have to go to breaker up against the
time right here, But can you hang on the line
because I kind of want your thoughts and opinions as
someone who deals with people all the time is as
far as where do we go from here?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What happens next? Can you hang on the line with us?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I sure can?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, okay, this is what matters on six' TEN wtvn.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
When Pet fair happened from noon to kind of five.
Today but the rain chased a little bit of the crowd,
away but not. Much it was a great, event and
we talked a lot about what pets can really do
to us as. People they add so much positivity to our.
Life sometimes when our life is, down we all go through,
adversity we all go through really really tough. Times it's
(09:59):
so cool to able to have an animal by your,
side no matter what the situation, is no matter, what
they're there for.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You they're there for you all the.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Time AND i love that about our pets and our.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Animals So Ann, hurst With Open Arms, counseling we talked
to every single, month is on the line and we
were having the conversation of, seriously how animals can help
our mental.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Health but how hard this last.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Week and a half has been because of the murder
Of Charlie kirk and seeing that video and all the
events that unfolded around. It you see the prayer, vigils
you see people weeping in. Tears in, FACT i ran
into a friend Of mikayla's yesterday and she said to, Me,
anne she, Said, MINDY i don't know Why i'm having
such a hard time with. THIS i never Met Charlie,
KIRK i never knew, him BUT i am so crushed
(10:43):
by all of this that, happened AND i think a
lot of it was because we saw him get killed
in front of our own eyes and that horrific, video
and because he was such a Good christian man and
it was in front of his wife and. Kids how
does that not affect you as a human, Being, Anne,
oh it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Would need to affect you in one way or another
as a human. Being and you're absolutely. RIGHT i do
believe this is like it was like a public. EXECUTION
i think that's why it's affecting people the way it.
Is and he was an amazing man who lived by
his values but loved, everybody even the people who had differing.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Opinions, well AND i think that's what is getting lost some,
here loving those who have different. Opinions and WHEN i
hear about the things That mindy has shared or our
Producer larry has shared today makes me. Sick the people
will be celebrating because he honestly did want to have,
conversations AND i think that's the most important thing we
(11:42):
can do in, life because we're all going to have
a difference of opinion on a spectrum of. Things but
if you cannot have a conversation about it without fear
of being murdered for your. Opinion we have a real
problem in The United states Of.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
AMERICA i agree with, that AND i think that where
that starts is when people are encouraged to cut people
off because they have a different belief people, saying don't
go to Somebody's thanksgiving because they're maga and you're, not
or don't cut your family members, off cut your friends.
Off that's where it. Starts AND i think the way
(12:16):
we heal is we stop cutting people off and we
start reaching across and, saying, hey you think differently THAN i.
Do let's have a conversation about. It let's see who you.
Are there are a number of people That Charlie kirk
went on their podcasts that had very different, beliefs and
not a single one of them is celebrating his. Death in,
fact every single one is coming on and saying this
(12:39):
was a good. Man This so it's pretty. Happened so
it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Interesting mindya haven't shared this with, You but the kind
of things THAT i am seeing are like, this do
you guys know Who Van jones is WITH? Cnn So
Van jones got online and him And Charlie kirk were not.
Friends they didn't agree on. Anything they beefed off their
they beefed on. Air the day Before Charlie kirk, Died
charlie sent and a direct message On twitter and he
shared it finally within the last couple of, days and it, Said, Hey,
(13:05):
VAN i mean. It i'd love to have you on
my show to have a respectful conversation about crime and.
RACE i would be a, gentleman AS i know you
would be as. Well we can disagree about the issues.
Agreeably it is On twitter and its, dms and that
is the kind of content THAT i am seeing, currently
people saying it's okay to disagree and to have a.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Conversation, well you're.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Lucky BECAUSE i have seen so much, negativity so much
that this is the first time in my, life And
Larry michael and everybody, listening it's the first and the
only time in my life That i've actually defriended people
BECAUSE i don't want to see any more of that.
NOISE i don't need it in my, HEART i don't
need it in my. HEAD i don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
IT i don't want to see personally that you knew
celebrating Celebrating, yeah, Absolutely and So i'm ill like It's
i've never defriended, people BUT i was.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Done i'm like, THIS i DON'T i don't want that
in my.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Life all there are people that you, knew.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah people who friends with, them faced.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Nobody THAT i actually. Knew DID i see. Celebrating i'm
not saying that none of them, did BUT i haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It these are people who we've connected through On.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Facebook most of the people in my, WORLD i, MEAN
i ninety nine point nine percent feel AS i. Do
and it's not LIKE i only hang around people who
agree with me or we have the same.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Thoughts it's just.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Kind of who our circles have been revolved around my entire.
Life but that was the beauty Of Charlie kirk was
that he was able to have those. Conversations another THING
i wanted to ask, You, anne is how dangerous is
it that a lot of people believe in their own
self out of something that they hear and see and
it's just an ounce as, migment a segment of something
(14:43):
from a larger, Scale like a lot of what he
was quoted on was completely taken out of. Context if
you look at the whole, story you would see why
he said those. Things how dangerous is that thought of
the world that we live.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
In they've taken snippets that did not reflect the entire,
conversation and they've also taken quotes where he was quoting
somebody else in order to refute the. Statement so, yeah
he's been misquoted a. LOT i think the biggest danger
is THAT i don't know whether this is because we
started teaching to a test or not teaching critical. Thinking but,
(15:19):
people And i'm not saying all. People some people are
inclined to just believe what they've been told and don't go.
FURTHER i am also seeing a lot of, people at
least on, YouTube posting videos, Saying, OKAY i believed you
and then this. Happened SO i decided to look up
(15:40):
these quotes and this is not a racist, man this
is not a homophobic. Man and they're SAYING i was.
Deceived And i'm seeing a lot of that, too which
really does it's people that are critically, think.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Right there's no way that man was a.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Racist you know what he does The bible win and
that's all he wanted to do was bring more and
more people to lead their life Like Jesus christ. Does
and you know WHAT i, heard so many of his
people who were so close to, him saying through this last,
week If Charlie kirk would have known the difference he,
made if he would have really known the millions of
people who are now turning To, god who are going
(16:21):
to church in this last, week two weeks, now and
how many people have now wanted to start this turning
point IN usa.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Chapter if he would have known, that he would have.
Died he died for the.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Reason AND i want to ask you also about conspiracy,
theories BECAUSE i think there's a lot of that on
the internet right now as. Well so the things that
are peeking into my feed mindy are conspiracy. Theories Candice,
owens who is very very close To Charlie, kirk it
has been an odd week for, her what do you
want to tell people about falling too far down in
(16:53):
a rabbit hole on conspiracy? Theories Because i'm sure this
is something mentally that some people are more app to
maybe potentially is the way THAT i want to put,
It so what can you say about?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That WHAT i say, is most of the time in this,
world we're never going to know all of the information
for a conspiracy, theory and what we do need to
do is watch our own mental health and our own,
safety our own basically mental. Health and the best way
to do that is to think what Would Charlie kirk
want us to? Do and he would want us to
(17:26):
start talking to each. Other it doesn't matter what side
of the aisle you're, on doesn't matter what your thoughts,
are start talking to each other because he always said
that when you stop, talking violence. Happens if you start,
talking that's what stops the.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Violence how about?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
This And, larry our, producer has been monitoring the funeral
since the very, beginning and hopefully there will be some
people coming together and putting their differences. Aside, larry Tell
anne and everybody listening what you just, witnessed what you just.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Saw so a few minutes, ago they did a cut
away To President. Trump he's sitting in one of the sweets,
upstairs and sitting outside him Was Elon musk and the
two of them were talking and smiling and joking and
they shook. Hands AND i Believe musk is going to
be one of the next ones to.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Speak but.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
It was an unsurprised you, know it was not.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Expected, yeah good way to put. It not expect to
give in the last few.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Months, yeah because we know the world knows that they've
been at. Odds maybe it takes something like this for
people to come together and put their differences aside once
and for.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
All.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh, Absolutely AND i know That Charlie kirk would be
honored to see how many people are coming together and having. Conversations.
NOW i know that there's a whole bunch of college
kids that are starting to set up tables saying putting
a statement on there and, saying change my. Mind AND
(18:49):
i think that there has been a birth of thousands
Of Charlie kirk's that are going to the colleges right.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Now it's a, movement it's a, revival it's a, movement
and it is exactly what we need right now in our.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
World it really.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Is his legacy.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Will live on.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Forever and now that his wife is going to be
THE ceo Of Turning POINT, usa you know that contradicts
everything that people believed About Charlie. Kirk, oh he just
wants women to not get an, education to just stay
at home and brace kids because that's their.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Place he never's the.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
One who know exactly his own wife is going to
take care and held up his company, Now oh.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Absolutely and the FUNNIEST i never knew, this BUT i
saw this video of How Charlie kirk met his wife
AND i had.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Never experienced all.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
That, yeah the best story. Ever it was a job
interview and at the end of the job, interview she
was so. Impressive it's, Like i'm not going to hire,
YOU i want to date.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You and he told his little daughter the story of
how they. Meant and that's the saddest part is that
you heard a lot Of Charlie kirk's closest friends, say
you know, what what kills me the most IS i
just walked my son to school. Today Charlie kirk will
never have that opportunity to do those life moments because
(20:05):
of a twenty two year old punk who decided to
take his life because he disagreed with the Way Charlie
kirk lived his.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Life AND i, think whether you have someone in your
life that's dealing with mental health problems like that twenty
two year old probably was prior to, this or you're grieving,
Something Open arms has a place for. You so and
before you, go can you tell everybody how to get
a hold of you and your.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Team just give us a. Call at six one, four,
six two five seven one eighty three or go. Online
we are there to help no matter what side of
the spectrum you are. On we're there.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All, right open arms. Counseling look them up there everywhere
on Social and if you've been watching the funeral Of
Charlie kirk and you want to call us, up we
about a half an hour left of the, show twenty
twenty five. Minutes let us know what you, think let
us know what you, saw what's stuck out in your?
Heart where do you think we go from here as
a country six one four eight two one nine eight
(21:00):
eight six six one four eight two one nine eight
six call.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Us, Up Thanks anne so. Much this is what matters
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