June 15, 2025 • 13 mins
Mindy and Mikaela speak with Ann Flora Hurst from Open Arms Counseling about difficulties of losing your dad and stress of fatherhood!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Alrighty again, we are celebrating Father's Day because it's the
grand day that we do celebrate dads, granddads, future dads.
Even if you're a dog daddy, that matters, because yeah,
the dogs matter, and they got to have a mom
and dad too.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The dogs are probably the nicest kids at the house
to Marcus right now, based on two teenagers, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You guys are right in the thick of it. Those
ages and stages not easy.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Those puppies though, love them, oh I'm sure, but those
easy and uneasy stages. All the things that you go through,
including stress of fatherhood. We're going to hash it all
out right now. Our wonderful friend Anne Hurst with Open
Arms Counseling is on the line with us to help
us get through the stress of fatherhood because it's real.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
The struggle is real, and oh.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
The stuggles very real. But it's such an important job,
it really is.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I mean, it's crucial for your kids end up growing
up well rounded to have a dad who's involved. So yeah,
we always talk about moms and mental load and things
like that, and but dads have their own stress. What
are some of the things that you think you noticed
the most in conversations you have for men who are
also fathers and the challenges that they face.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Oh, I think a lot of it is balancing work
and home life, that kind of coming up with a
balance because they're torn between And this is not every man.
I'm not trying to generalize, but a lot of men
are torn between needing to provide for the family and
wanting to spend time with the kids, and it's just
(01:39):
kind of a being pulled apart in two different directions.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So one of the stats that we read earlier in
the show was that twenty six percent of all Americans
are estranged from their fathers, compared that with only six
percent of estrangement from moms.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Why, oh, well, I'm going to get in so much
trouble for them, I will say that. You know, in part,
it's because and this isn't where I'm going to get
in trouble. In part, it's because that traditionally the mom
is where they place the child, and that's a preference,
(02:19):
and they only would place with a father under special circumstances.
And that's just been my experience. There are always exceptions
to every rule. I think the other thing is that
a lot of times, our government is set up to
remove the man from the household because when you are
(02:41):
in a poverty situation and you need to receive aid,
one of the big things is it's more important for
there not to be a man in the house in
order to apply.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I think it makes sense, but you kind of hate
to hear those numbers because in a perfect world we
all get along. Dad is glorified, mom is respected, and
it's a big, happy family. But realistically, that isn't happening
all the time in American families, right, An, that's right.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's right, And please, I don't want to get in
trouble over that last one, but yeah, it is not
always happening. But I really want to say that it
is so important. It's such an important job. I mean,
think about all the things that kids get from their
their dads, and you know, you get that sense of
self reliance, the sense of who you are, and that
(03:31):
inner grit, that sense of you know, I can do
anything and I can achieve it, and that that work.
A lot of times if there's a work ethic that
you get. There's so much that you get from dad.
And when girls start dating, they get a lot of there,
who I want to date from dad, and how I
want a boy to treat me from right.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Absolutely. You know, we were discussing too about these no
contact situations with dad. So you have the stress of
being a dad and then your kids. I might have
generalized this too much don't agree with you, or there's
a disagreement on values or something, and then a lot
of kind of that millennial and gen X group have
(04:13):
gone no contact. And Mindy was like, this is a
new term to me, and I was telling her a
little bit about it. But see, and so what do
you know about going no contact.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And how this impacts dads?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Because you found a stat Mindy said that said from
an estrangement standpoint twenty six percent.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Quaudrupled what the moms are with the strange with their kids.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So what's that about, Anne, What do you hear about
when it comes to those things and is it reconcilable?
Because I think Mindy and I were wondering.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That, honestly. I mean they think that again, a lot
of things are going behind are behind that. I mean,
there's there's a new trend where if the parent doesn't
agree with life choices of a child, then the parent
is wrong, not the child, and so you know, the
(05:03):
the child will cut them off. And there's a lot
of people I think that a lot of it is.
I know I always go back to the internet, but
there's a lot of people on the internet trying to
convince kids, you know, don't listen to your parents. This
is how you don't listen to your parents. This is
how you disobey your parents. You know who you are
and don't let anybody else tell you different.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well, that's always smart. Listen to the internet over your parents.
That's always a good idea. Hey, we have a call,
and we've been taking calls all day long about fatherhood
and people wanting to share stories. We have Chris on
the line, and let's see what his story is, if
if maybe we can help them or just kind of
share a story or two. Chris, you are on the
air with Mikaela, myself and also Anne Hurst with open
(05:42):
arms counseling. Are you a daddy?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I am. We're in Westerbot.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh, Chris, you're.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Can't find them here? Can you hear them now?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay? Try again?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Oh oh it's a little better.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Yeah, Oh Mandy, it's Chris from Westerville. Me and Randy
were fathers at the same time, and you know that
since we were neighbors.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh, right, next door neighbors.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yes, Mendy, are you still in the same house? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh Chris, Well, Happy Father's Day to you. I know
you guys had kind of a challenging pregnancy along the
way there, because yes, we were pregnant at the same time.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But what's your biggest stress for fatherhood?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now that we have Anne on the line, what do
you think is the most stressful part of being a dad?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
You know what the unknown? You know, there's so much
out there today, Internet, television. The biggest thing for young
people is the church. Be a part of the church.
My daughter is a huge church goer. I know your
daughter is, yes, and God has to come first and
that's number one.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Ann.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Oh? I would absolutely. I mean so many of the
basic tenants that you need for a child to grow
treat others, you know, as basically as treat others the
way you want to be treated in the Golden Rule,
but as deep as giving them purpose. God created you
and knew you before you were even born, and it
gives you a sense of self.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And my daughter is number one. She's a great young lady.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think they wasn't she born the same time Kylin?
I think your daughter and Kylin are the same age.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
That's exactly right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I am so glad that you called in. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You tell your family that I said hi, and sincerely,
we thank you for listening today.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We really really do thank you.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So much for taking my call. We do appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Happy happy fathers.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And he brings up a great point.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Though, Yeah, he really really does. We've been talking about
one other thing too, Anne. We wanted to mention in
this second because you know Randy has been going through this,
the difficulties of losing your dad, and this day for
children of fathers who've passed can be really, really hard.
One of my dearest colleagues at work lost her dad.
This is her first, her first Father's Day with Adam,
(08:18):
and I know how hard this day was. I sent
her a text and said, thinking of you, but this
is really difficult. So how how do those who've lost
a father? What is what is a good way to
spend Father's Day doing?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Because it can be really hard.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Oh, it could be very hard. My biggest suggestion is
to plan something, and one of the better things to
do is plan something that would honor your dad, anything
that you know, something you guys might have done together,
or just getting together as a family and celebrating Father's
Day and talking about all the fun Father's Day memories
(08:52):
that you guys have. As long as everybody is ready
for that, you know, you have to be able to
do that, or you can just spend a quiet day
just remembering and knowing that your dad wants you to
be happy and your dad is proud of who you
are today.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Every story is different.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
It wasn't really I mean, it wasn't a shock that
mister Quartercracks passed away because he was almost ninety two.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But it's never easy.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And I still think Randy and his siblings thought he'd
be around for maybe another year or at least several months,
So it really isn't easy. But then I look at
my cousin Jill, my first cousin Jill, who was away
in California on business. She gets the phone call from
her mom saying that her dad just died, basically killed
over and died. So she never had that closure. She
(09:38):
never had that time to say to her dad, I
love you, I'll miss you, I'll take care of myself.
I'll do the best I can for mom. Where we
did have that with mister quarter Cracks. Every situation is different.
I want to ask you one thing in those situations,
no matter what they are, time does heal so many
different instances.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Why is that ann Why does time make.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I think that sometimes time does heal it, sometimes it doesn't.
It depends on how you work on yourself. If you're
working on yourself to get the healing, then the further
you go away from that moment, the more secure you
are in who you are and knowing that you know
everything is going to be okay, and you have those
(10:24):
fond memories. But if you can get stuck, you can
get so stuck in that and then it's very, very
hard to move forward from it. I think the best
way to heal is if you don't have closure, to
go ahead and either have a conversation with your dad
and even answer the way you know your dad would,
(10:46):
because most people know how their dad would answer, or
write it down to a letter. Write a letter to
your dad and either burn it and put it on
your garden flower garden, watch the beautiful flowers grow from it,
or do whatever you want with it. It's just however
you want to express it.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Two things that you said.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
First of all, I do that all the time with
because I miss I know it's Father's Day and I
miss my dad, and I love my dad so much.
But so often since Mom recently died, you know, it
was I've had a little more time healing with my dad.
But I will go to the cemetery and we have
a bench there for her. I will literally have a conversation.
Say Mom, I know how you would answer this, but
you do miss the dialogue. You do miss talking to her.
(11:30):
So that you're so right about that. We know our
parents so well, we know what they would tell us.
So remind ourselves of that great idea. The other thing
that you brought up with Mikayla, what you guys were saying.
No doubt in my mind, Cameron will and wants to
marry someone just like her dad.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I say to her, good luck with that. There's not
too many RANDYT. Cracks is out there. But seriously, she
tells me that all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, she's gonna have to turn over a few rocks
to find it, But I mean telling them over. I mean,
I do think I would people with similar family values.
I think that's so important for kids they're raised that way.
You want to find someone else who has similar family
values to you or so she just needs to look.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Do you think Logan and Christian would want to find
someone like you?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I can only say yes because of what they tell me.
And this is on the moments they're nice, right, They're like, Mom,
you're a badass.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 5 (12:29):
So I pray the.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
High praise right from a fifteen and a twelve year
old is.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Awesome to you want to know something, Anne, I'm going
to be very honest with you if Mikhayla were to
ask me that. If Kylin wants to marry someone just
like me, he tells me all the time, Mom, I'm
going to marry someone the complete opposite of you.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
He wants someone sane and more reserved.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Because he's the one that has the energy. I know,
I've seen him when he's passionate about something.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
When he's passionate about something, it's just about word getting
hi passionate about somebody.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
The funny thing is they say that, but uh, well,
they follow through. Once they did, that's the person that
they're going to spend their life with and see what
that turns out to be totally true?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And where can people go get more information if they
want to come talk about any of these topics or
anything that they're going through.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Absolutely give us a call at Open Arms Counseling. It's
six one four, six two five seven one eighty three.
Or go online and go to openarm Counseling dot com.
You can give us a call or make an employment
right there, you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They are the best in the business and has been
one of our longest, if not the longest sponsors of
the What Matters show.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
We believe in her.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
We've seen firsthand through people that we know who have
gone to them the difference that may that they make.
Open Arms Counseling give it a try.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Thanks Anne, Thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
This is What Matters.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
On six' ten w
Alrighty again, we are celebrating Father's Day because it's the
grand day that we do celebrate dads, granddads, future dads.
Even if you're a dog daddy, that matters, because yeah,
the dogs matter, and they got to have a mom
and dad too.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The dogs are probably the nicest kids at the house
to Marcus right now, based on two teenagers, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You guys are right in the thick of it. Those
ages and stages not easy.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Those puppies though, love them, oh I'm sure, but those
easy and uneasy stages. All the things that you go through,
including stress of fatherhood. We're going to hash it all
out right now. Our wonderful friend Anne Hurst with Open
Arms Counseling is on the line with us to help
us get through the stress of fatherhood because it's real.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
The struggle is real, and oh.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
The stuggles very real. But it's such an important job,
it really is.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I mean, it's crucial for your kids end up growing
up well rounded to have a dad who's involved. So yeah,
we always talk about moms and mental load and things
like that, and but dads have their own stress. What
are some of the things that you think you noticed
the most in conversations you have for men who are
also fathers and the challenges that they face.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Oh, I think a lot of it is balancing work
and home life, that kind of coming up with a
balance because they're torn between And this is not every man.
I'm not trying to generalize, but a lot of men
are torn between needing to provide for the family and
wanting to spend time with the kids, and it's just
(01:39):
kind of a being pulled apart in two different directions.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So one of the stats that we read earlier in
the show was that twenty six percent of all Americans
are estranged from their fathers, compared that with only six
percent of estrangement from moms.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Why, oh, well, I'm going to get in so much
trouble for them, I will say that. You know, in part,
it's because and this isn't where I'm going to get
in trouble. In part, it's because that traditionally the mom
is where they place the child, and that's a preference,
(02:19):
and they only would place with a father under special circumstances.
And that's just been my experience. There are always exceptions
to every rule. I think the other thing is that
a lot of times, our government is set up to
remove the man from the household because when you are
(02:41):
in a poverty situation and you need to receive aid,
one of the big things is it's more important for
there not to be a man in the house in
order to apply.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I think it makes sense, but you kind of hate
to hear those numbers because in a perfect world we
all get along. Dad is glorified, mom is respected, and
it's a big, happy family. But realistically, that isn't happening
all the time in American families, right, An, that's right.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's right, And please, I don't want to get in
trouble over that last one, but yeah, it is not
always happening. But I really want to say that it
is so important. It's such an important job. I mean,
think about all the things that kids get from their
their dads, and you know, you get that sense of
self reliance, the sense of who you are, and that
(03:31):
inner grit, that sense of you know, I can do
anything and I can achieve it, and that that work.
A lot of times if there's a work ethic that
you get. There's so much that you get from dad.
And when girls start dating, they get a lot of there,
who I want to date from dad, and how I
want a boy to treat me from right.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Absolutely. You know, we were discussing too about these no
contact situations with dad. So you have the stress of
being a dad and then your kids. I might have
generalized this too much don't agree with you, or there's
a disagreement on values or something, and then a lot
of kind of that millennial and gen X group have
(04:13):
gone no contact. And Mindy was like, this is a
new term to me, and I was telling her a
little bit about it. But see, and so what do
you know about going no contact.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And how this impacts dads?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Because you found a stat Mindy said that said from
an estrangement standpoint twenty six percent.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Quaudrupled what the moms are with the strange with their kids.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So what's that about, Anne, What do you hear about
when it comes to those things and is it reconcilable?
Because I think Mindy and I were wondering.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
That, honestly. I mean they think that again, a lot
of things are going behind are behind that. I mean,
there's there's a new trend where if the parent doesn't
agree with life choices of a child, then the parent
is wrong, not the child, and so you know, the
(05:03):
the child will cut them off. And there's a lot
of people I think that a lot of it is.
I know I always go back to the internet, but
there's a lot of people on the internet trying to
convince kids, you know, don't listen to your parents. This
is how you don't listen to your parents. This is
how you disobey your parents. You know who you are
and don't let anybody else tell you different.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well, that's always smart. Listen to the internet over your parents.
That's always a good idea. Hey, we have a call,
and we've been taking calls all day long about fatherhood
and people wanting to share stories. We have Chris on
the line, and let's see what his story is, if
if maybe we can help them or just kind of
share a story or two. Chris, you are on the
air with Mikaela, myself and also Anne Hurst with open
(05:42):
arms counseling. Are you a daddy?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I am. We're in Westerbot.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh, Chris, you're.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Can't find them here? Can you hear them now?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Okay? Try again?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Oh oh it's a little better.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Yeah, Oh Mandy, it's Chris from Westerville. Me and Randy
were fathers at the same time, and you know that
since we were neighbors.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh, right, next door neighbors.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yes, Mendy, are you still in the same house? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh Chris, Well, Happy Father's Day to you. I know
you guys had kind of a challenging pregnancy along the
way there, because yes, we were pregnant at the same time.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But what's your biggest stress for fatherhood?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now that we have Anne on the line, what do
you think is the most stressful part of being a dad?
Speaker 5 (06:37):
You know what the unknown? You know, there's so much
out there today, Internet, television. The biggest thing for young
people is the church. Be a part of the church.
My daughter is a huge church goer. I know your
daughter is, yes, and God has to come first and
that's number one.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Ann.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Oh? I would absolutely. I mean so many of the
basic tenants that you need for a child to grow
treat others, you know, as basically as treat others the
way you want to be treated in the Golden Rule,
but as deep as giving them purpose. God created you
and knew you before you were even born, and it
gives you a sense of self.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And my daughter is number one. She's a great young lady.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think they wasn't she born the same time Kylin?
I think your daughter and Kylin are the same age.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
That's exactly right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I am so glad that you called in. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You tell your family that I said hi, and sincerely,
we thank you for listening today.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We really really do thank you.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So much for taking my call. We do appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Happy happy fathers.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And he brings up a great point.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Though, Yeah, he really really does. We've been talking about
one other thing too, Anne. We wanted to mention in
this second because you know Randy has been going through this,
the difficulties of losing your dad, and this day for
children of fathers who've passed can be really, really hard.
One of my dearest colleagues at work lost her dad.
This is her first, her first Father's Day with Adam,
(08:18):
and I know how hard this day was. I sent
her a text and said, thinking of you, but this
is really difficult. So how how do those who've lost
a father? What is what is a good way to
spend Father's Day doing?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Because it can be really hard.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Oh, it could be very hard. My biggest suggestion is
to plan something, and one of the better things to
do is plan something that would honor your dad, anything
that you know, something you guys might have done together,
or just getting together as a family and celebrating Father's
Day and talking about all the fun Father's Day memories
(08:52):
that you guys have. As long as everybody is ready
for that, you know, you have to be able to
do that, or you can just spend a quiet day
just remembering and knowing that your dad wants you to
be happy and your dad is proud of who you
are today.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Every story is different.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
It wasn't really I mean, it wasn't a shock that
mister Quartercracks passed away because he was almost ninety two.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But it's never easy.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And I still think Randy and his siblings thought he'd
be around for maybe another year or at least several months,
So it really isn't easy. But then I look at
my cousin Jill, my first cousin Jill, who was away
in California on business. She gets the phone call from
her mom saying that her dad just died, basically killed
over and died. So she never had that closure. She
(09:38):
never had that time to say to her dad, I
love you, I'll miss you, I'll take care of myself.
I'll do the best I can for mom. Where we
did have that with mister quarter Cracks. Every situation is different.
I want to ask you one thing in those situations,
no matter what they are, time does heal so many
different instances.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Why is that ann Why does time make.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I think that sometimes time does heal it, sometimes it doesn't.
It depends on how you work on yourself. If you're
working on yourself to get the healing, then the further
you go away from that moment, the more secure you
are in who you are and knowing that you know
everything is going to be okay, and you have those
(10:24):
fond memories. But if you can get stuck, you can
get so stuck in that and then it's very, very
hard to move forward from it. I think the best
way to heal is if you don't have closure, to
go ahead and either have a conversation with your dad
and even answer the way you know your dad would,
(10:46):
because most people know how their dad would answer, or
write it down to a letter. Write a letter to
your dad and either burn it and put it on
your garden flower garden, watch the beautiful flowers grow from it,
or do whatever you want with it. It's just however
you want to express it.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Two things that you said.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
First of all, I do that all the time with
because I miss I know it's Father's Day and I
miss my dad, and I love my dad so much.
But so often since Mom recently died, you know, it
was I've had a little more time healing with my dad.
But I will go to the cemetery and we have
a bench there for her. I will literally have a conversation.
Say Mom, I know how you would answer this, but
you do miss the dialogue. You do miss talking to her.
(11:30):
So that you're so right about that. We know our
parents so well, we know what they would tell us.
So remind ourselves of that great idea. The other thing
that you brought up with Mikayla, what you guys were saying.
No doubt in my mind, Cameron will and wants to
marry someone just like her dad.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I say to her, good luck with that. There's not
too many RANDYT. Cracks is out there. But seriously, she
tells me that all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, she's gonna have to turn over a few rocks
to find it, But I mean telling them over. I mean,
I do think I would people with similar family values.
I think that's so important for kids they're raised that way.
You want to find someone else who has similar family
values to you or so she just needs to look.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Do you think Logan and Christian would want to find
someone like you?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I can only say yes because of what they tell me.
And this is on the moments they're nice, right, They're like, Mom,
you're a badass.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 5 (12:29):
So I pray the.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
High praise right from a fifteen and a twelve year
old is.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Awesome to you want to know something, Anne, I'm going
to be very honest with you if Mikhayla were to
ask me that. If Kylin wants to marry someone just
like me, he tells me all the time, Mom, I'm
going to marry someone the complete opposite of you.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
He wants someone sane and more reserved.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Because he's the one that has the energy. I know,
I've seen him when he's passionate about something.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
When he's passionate about something, it's just about word getting
hi passionate about somebody.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
The funny thing is they say that, but uh, well,
they follow through. Once they did, that's the person that
they're going to spend their life with and see what
that turns out to be totally true?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And where can people go get more information if they
want to come talk about any of these topics or
anything that they're going through.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Absolutely give us a call at Open Arms Counseling. It's
six one four, six two five seven one eighty three.
Or go online and go to openarm Counseling dot com.
You can give us a call or make an employment
right there, you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They are the best in the business and has been
one of our longest, if not the longest sponsors of
the What Matters show.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
We believe in her.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
We've seen firsthand through people that we know who have
gone to them the difference that may that they make.
Open Arms Counseling give it a try.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Thanks Anne, Thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
This is What Matters.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
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