December 14, 2025 • 13 mins
Mindy and Mikaela speak with Chad Moran/Private Investigor about Michigan former coach and how one bad mistake can cause you to lose everything. Is it worth it? And if you know your friend is being cheated on, would you tell them?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Week from former Wolverine coach Sharone Moore. The whole situation
cheating on his wife, three daughters. Everybody feels bad for
the wife and three daughters, and I wonder if they'll
ever talk publicly, at least the wife. It just makes
you sick, It really really does. But then you start
to think, how normal is this? How many people really
(00:21):
do cheat on your spouse? Mikayla, I've never looked it up.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I think we may have looked it up collectively one
time and we were surprised by the numbers. But that's
also hard for Google to tell you because nobody really knows.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Because nobody is going to honestly admit it. I can't
say nobody, but a lot of people. But we do
have someone on the line that deals with this day
in and day out. He's a private investigator. People hire
him to say, Hey, I have a hunch that my
husband or my wife is cheating. Can you find out
for me? So joining us on the air, and he's
been on the air with us before, Mikayla is Chad Moran. Chad,
(00:58):
you do deal with this every day? Is it hard
for you to look at these situations?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Hey, how are you guys going, yeah, it can be
for sure. I try to separate myself from the personal
aspect of the business aspect of it, but it is
a situation where you know, when you see it going
down live, you're like, uh, oh, somebody's family is just
getting turned upside down right now. So when you see
it live, it can't get to you occasionally, but you know, unfortunately,
(01:27):
you kind of get numb to it when you've been
doing it for thirty years and seeing it plenty of times.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We have we have a lot of questions for you, Chad,
and we we might have a few callers who have
questions two six one four eight two one nine eight
eight six six one four eight two one WTVN SO.
One thing I wanted to ask is what do you
how many people do you think this impacts? Because there's
no way to find a really good stat on this,
but you live and.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Breathe this as a career.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
How frequently in the population do you think cheating happens?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I agree with what you guys said earlier. There's really
no way to know. I mean, there's you know, millions
of people out there, so it's hard to say exactly. Unfortunately,
like our percentage is super high that we see because
usually somebody is not going to you know, we're paid
to do surveillance, right and it's not cheap, so people
are usually have a pretty good hunch if they're going
(02:21):
to pay us to go out and do it, and
then after they do, you know, our rates are pretty
high when somebody hires us that catch the spouse cheating,
because they wouldn't have hired us if they didn't think
there was a good chance they'd do it. A lot
of times they're just trying to confirm so you know,
maybe for court reasons or or just maybe so they
can mentally move on after they see the footage.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So, Chad, I think when most people think of a
spouse cheating, it's the guy. It's always the guy who cheats,
but you don't necessarily see that. You see some women
cheating as well. Correct.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I would actually say it's probably in our business probably opposite.
We probably see more girls cheating than we do guys.
And just the life I live within, you know, in
my personal life and travel softball that Mandy's aware of,
and you know, you just see a lot of things,
so I you know, when it comes down to it,
the fact is, it's a lot of times it's a
(03:17):
married man cheating with a married woman and vice versa.
So it's probably really close to fifty to fifty. My
wife kind of it's a kind of a running joke
at her house when I when I take a case
in and a male hires us, like we we know
we're going to catch a sema. We catch catch them
almost every single time. Now, her comeback is, well, the
girls are smart enough they don't have to hire a
(03:37):
private investor that gator. They can figure it out.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It up themselves.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
There's probably some truth to that, but we get hired
by some females and we just find a guy sitting
at the coffee shop just drinking, or at the casino
just wanting to get away from his wife. So, you know,
but if if a male hires us, we're almost certainly
you know, we're on a big streak here. I don't
know if it's twenty five thirty four in a row
that we've caught the female cheating for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh my gosh, And what ages are you looking at?
Does it range? I mean like you're talking about what's
the youngest you found cheating to the oldest. I'm really curious.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I we've had people eighty years old higers before. Come on,
that's few and far between. And I would say a
young person hiring us are few and far between. I
think it's the middle age, you know, the thirty five
to fifty five that's probably like our sweet spot because
a lot of times that's when your kids are starting
to get grown, people are life slow down. You have
(04:32):
a little bit more money financially at that age, you know,
you know, going back to the Michigan situation.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You know, take it. We lost you for a second, Chad,
one second. Let's get your signal was going out. Say
you were saying the Michigan chang coach for example, Yeah,
I think you.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Know what I'm saying. The thirty five to fifty five
age group is. I think you know a lot of
people go up, they get in positions of power, and
that happens. That's where a lot of cheating happens because
you know, you're going to more business meetings, you're going
to more things like that. So you see that in
those type of situations. So that's just probably what we see.
But there might be another investigator down the street to
(05:17):
see something different. But that's kind of what we see
at our office, and like I say, we kind of
make a joke about the female thing because it's become
a running joke the last five years with us.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So when you gather this information and I don't know
if it's with surveillance pictures, cameras, whatever, and you present
the proof that you have to give to the husband
or the wife and they find out for sure, which
like you said, they already have a hunch, They probably
already know but don't have the proof, and you present
it to them. How many of those marriages stick it
out and stay together.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's hard to say. Sometimes we don't know, but I
know for sure there's been times where, you know, we
sat down and explained what we got and they're like,
we're done, We're never going to see this person again.
And then a year later we get a call from
the same client like, hey, he's back at it or
she's back at it. Can you go follow him again?
You know? So we definitely have some repeat offenders.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I want to ask what the symptoms are of this,
but it's probably what is the evidence that causes many
husbands to call you, Yeah, what have they seen?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And then what do you look for I.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Mean, I think for everybody right now, it's just the
cell phones and the laptops and the computers. I mean,
with the different social media apps and snapchats and instagrams,
and there's just so much more access. And obviously now
there's the dating apps and stuff like that on there,
and you see people find a dating app, but that's
(06:44):
kind of what we see. It's just so much more
accessible to reach out to people now than it wasn't
a day. You know, back in the day when we
were all growing up, you know, you had to go
to the bar to meet somebody or church or you know,
like something like that. Now you can just get on
your phone and click the button a couple of times
and probably find something.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, it's something that isn't going to go away.
I mean, it happens. I feel like I'm naive because
I felt so bad for the situation. I feel bad
for the wife, I feel bad for the three kids,
and I'm like, this guy had everything, Chad, he had
one of the best jobs in all of college football,
on top of the world, and it still wasn't enough. Married,
had three girls and it still wasn't enough. Is that
(07:21):
what you feel like? And you see when you're talking
about the people in power, why isn't it enough for people?
Why can't they just be happy with the lives that
they're living.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Well, I can't speak on this the Michigan guy specifically
because I don't know, but my guess is, you know,
he's been a coach at Michigan for like twenty four
months now, twenty months something like that. My guess is
this has been habitual his whole life. He didn't just start,
you know, start this and get a great job and
get everything the way his life worked and then all
of a sudden he started doing It's probably something that's
(07:51):
been a pattern of his whole life and it just
continued and he probably might have been gotten caught before.
You never know. But now he's coach at the University
of Michigan, so it matters now.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
He couldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Other times, they probably could have swept it under the
rug and it was no big deal. But when you're
the University of michiganizer on you. Now. That's why that's
why a company should do a thorough background and try
to figure it out. Because my guess is, you know,
I read something in Harbor Coach recommending that. My guess
is Jim Harborough probably saw stuff like this, you know,
(08:27):
maybe not with him specifically, but it's a good chance
that that people knew this was going on and he
was still able to get this job.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, what if his wife knew?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
What when?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
If it happened before and his wife knew and stood
by him that this is not shocking to her, I
take it. Maybe sometimes you said, you have clients sometimes
where this has happened before, and then we're going to
try to make it work, and then it happens again.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, we're definitely, we definitely see it in this situation,
and you know she's probably got you know, I don't
know there history, but you know he's making X amount
of millions of dollars right and stuff like that, so
maybe well, you know, I don't like it, but a
blind eye to it for the money or for my
kids or something like that, because a lot of times
the kids are the main factor and all this too.
(09:16):
You know, even if somebody knows what's happening, they don't
want to break up their face to move on.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
We're talking to Chad Moran, a private investigator. He works
in both Ohio and Kentucky, but this was so extreme.
I mean, he got suicidal at the end here. And
how many cases that you've seen when you present this
information that yeah, your wife or your husband is cheating,
that eventually they became suicidal. That's got to be an
extreme case. Chad.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't see a lot of this stuff. I mean,
I can tell you a bunch of horror stories where
you know, we were doing a case, they kind of
confronted each other and we go look for the other person.
We find him at a gun store, you know, So
that's kind of scary. But those are few and far between,
you know, And we don't follow up on every case,
so you know, we kind of present the evidence to
(10:04):
the client unless the client needs us. We don't always
know what goes down behind closed doors with their marriage
in their Townselen. And I'm sure there's times we presented
evidence and you know, somebody realized they made a mistake
and they got back together and they lived happily ever after.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Let me ask something beyond women and men cheating, because
this investigation is going to continue at the University of Michigan.
Apparently the Associated Press reporting this afternoon that the law
firm hired by the u of M to investigate the
former football coach with the staffer, will continue its probe
of the program and is prepared to expand its inquiry
(10:41):
throughout the athletic department. According to two people familiar with
the situation, again, it's the associated Press trustworthy group. What
could they be looking for, Chad? I mean, this relationship
was uncovered, he's been fired. What else might they be
looking for and investigating in this situation.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
They probably just don't want any more black eyes, so
they probably want to try to knit everything in the
butt that's going on. It's not on the up and
up right now. It'd be my guess, you know, because this,
you know, and not to pick on Michigan, but because
this probably happens at about every university. There's probably something
going on at every university that they're not that they
don't want to come out. So I'm sure now Michigan's
(11:24):
front and center. You know, they're they're wanting to be
ahead of the curve and want to make sure they
stop anything else before before any more damage is done.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, Chad, we appreciate your time, and I just missed
talking to you because it's been a while. Chad coached
Cammi for years and it has always be one of
her all time favorite coaches. So I miss you, buddy,
But I do appreciate you talking seriously with us on
this issue because it is what everybody is talking about
right now.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, I definitely appreciate you guys having us And obviously
you know you know how you know how special Camey
is for me. And if she ever marry is a
guy who he cheats on her, We're going to do
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Hey, Let's say someone's listening.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
We got that, We got that covered for you, Chad.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Let's say someone's listening and they're like, you know what,
I want to hire this guy. How can people reach
out to you to hire you for your services so
they can find out if their spouse is cheating.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You can go to our website the name of a
company's Greater sins II Investigations our website Cincinnati Investigations dot com,
and you always can reach me directly at eight five
nine eight one six twenty two twelve.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Say that number again, slowly one more time.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Eight five nine eight one six twenty two twelve.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And at Cincinnati Investigations you said dot com, Yes, ma'am
a perfect Chad. He'll find if someone's cheating on you,
d Dad, we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Thanks Chad, Thank you guys. Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas, Chad. This is this is what matters.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
On six' ten AT wtvn opting article you
Week from former Wolverine coach Sharone Moore. The whole situation
cheating on his wife, three daughters. Everybody feels bad for
the wife and three daughters, and I wonder if they'll
ever talk publicly, at least the wife. It just makes
you sick, It really really does. But then you start
to think, how normal is this? How many people really
(00:21):
do cheat on your spouse? Mikayla, I've never looked it up.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I think we may have looked it up collectively one
time and we were surprised by the numbers. But that's
also hard for Google to tell you because nobody really knows.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Because nobody is going to honestly admit it. I can't
say nobody, but a lot of people. But we do
have someone on the line that deals with this day
in and day out. He's a private investigator. People hire
him to say, Hey, I have a hunch that my
husband or my wife is cheating. Can you find out
for me? So joining us on the air, and he's
been on the air with us before, Mikayla is Chad Moran. Chad,
(00:58):
you do deal with this every day? Is it hard
for you to look at these situations?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Hey, how are you guys going, yeah, it can be
for sure. I try to separate myself from the personal
aspect of the business aspect of it, but it is
a situation where you know, when you see it going
down live, you're like, uh, oh, somebody's family is just
getting turned upside down right now. So when you see
it live, it can't get to you occasionally, but you know, unfortunately,
(01:27):
you kind of get numb to it when you've been
doing it for thirty years and seeing it plenty of times.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We have we have a lot of questions for you, Chad,
and we we might have a few callers who have
questions two six one four eight two one nine eight
eight six six one four eight two one WTVN SO.
One thing I wanted to ask is what do you
how many people do you think this impacts? Because there's
no way to find a really good stat on this,
but you live and.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Breathe this as a career.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
How frequently in the population do you think cheating happens?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I agree with what you guys said earlier. There's really
no way to know. I mean, there's you know, millions
of people out there, so it's hard to say exactly. Unfortunately,
like our percentage is super high that we see because
usually somebody is not going to you know, we're paid
to do surveillance, right and it's not cheap, so people
are usually have a pretty good hunch if they're going
(02:21):
to pay us to go out and do it, and
then after they do, you know, our rates are pretty
high when somebody hires us that catch the spouse cheating,
because they wouldn't have hired us if they didn't think
there was a good chance they'd do it. A lot
of times they're just trying to confirm so you know,
maybe for court reasons or or just maybe so they
can mentally move on after they see the footage.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So, Chad, I think when most people think of a
spouse cheating, it's the guy. It's always the guy who cheats,
but you don't necessarily see that. You see some women
cheating as well. Correct.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I would actually say it's probably in our business probably opposite.
We probably see more girls cheating than we do guys.
And just the life I live within, you know, in
my personal life and travel softball that Mandy's aware of,
and you know, you just see a lot of things,
so I you know, when it comes down to it,
the fact is, it's a lot of times it's a
(03:17):
married man cheating with a married woman and vice versa.
So it's probably really close to fifty to fifty. My
wife kind of it's a kind of a running joke
at her house when I when I take a case
in and a male hires us, like we we know
we're going to catch a sema. We catch catch them
almost every single time. Now, her comeback is, well, the
girls are smart enough they don't have to hire a
(03:37):
private investor that gator. They can figure it out.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It up themselves.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
There's probably some truth to that, but we get hired
by some females and we just find a guy sitting
at the coffee shop just drinking, or at the casino
just wanting to get away from his wife. So, you know,
but if if a male hires us, we're almost certainly
you know, we're on a big streak here. I don't
know if it's twenty five thirty four in a row
that we've caught the female cheating for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh my gosh, And what ages are you looking at?
Does it range? I mean like you're talking about what's
the youngest you found cheating to the oldest. I'm really curious.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I we've had people eighty years old higers before. Come on,
that's few and far between. And I would say a
young person hiring us are few and far between. I
think it's the middle age, you know, the thirty five
to fifty five that's probably like our sweet spot because
a lot of times that's when your kids are starting
to get grown, people are life slow down. You have
(04:32):
a little bit more money financially at that age, you know,
you know, going back to the Michigan situation.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You know, take it. We lost you for a second, Chad,
one second. Let's get your signal was going out. Say
you were saying the Michigan chang coach for example, Yeah,
I think you.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Know what I'm saying. The thirty five to fifty five
age group is. I think you know a lot of
people go up, they get in positions of power, and
that happens. That's where a lot of cheating happens because
you know, you're going to more business meetings, you're going
to more things like that. So you see that in
those type of situations. So that's just probably what we see.
But there might be another investigator down the street to
(05:17):
see something different. But that's kind of what we see
at our office, and like I say, we kind of
make a joke about the female thing because it's become
a running joke the last five years with us.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So when you gather this information and I don't know
if it's with surveillance pictures, cameras, whatever, and you present
the proof that you have to give to the husband
or the wife and they find out for sure, which
like you said, they already have a hunch, They probably
already know but don't have the proof, and you present
it to them. How many of those marriages stick it
out and stay together.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's hard to say. Sometimes we don't know, but I
know for sure there's been times where, you know, we
sat down and explained what we got and they're like,
we're done, We're never going to see this person again.
And then a year later we get a call from
the same client like, hey, he's back at it or
she's back at it. Can you go follow him again?
You know? So we definitely have some repeat offenders.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I want to ask what the symptoms are of this,
but it's probably what is the evidence that causes many
husbands to call you, Yeah, what have they seen?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And then what do you look for I.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Mean, I think for everybody right now, it's just the
cell phones and the laptops and the computers. I mean,
with the different social media apps and snapchats and instagrams,
and there's just so much more access. And obviously now
there's the dating apps and stuff like that on there,
and you see people find a dating app, but that's
(06:44):
kind of what we see. It's just so much more
accessible to reach out to people now than it wasn't
a day. You know, back in the day when we
were all growing up, you know, you had to go
to the bar to meet somebody or church or you know,
like something like that. Now you can just get on
your phone and click the button a couple of times
and probably find something.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know, it's something that isn't going to go away.
I mean, it happens. I feel like I'm naive because
I felt so bad for the situation. I feel bad
for the wife, I feel bad for the three kids,
and I'm like, this guy had everything, Chad, he had
one of the best jobs in all of college football,
on top of the world, and it still wasn't enough. Married,
had three girls and it still wasn't enough. Is that
(07:21):
what you feel like? And you see when you're talking
about the people in power, why isn't it enough for people?
Why can't they just be happy with the lives that
they're living.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Well, I can't speak on this the Michigan guy specifically
because I don't know, but my guess is, you know,
he's been a coach at Michigan for like twenty four
months now, twenty months something like that. My guess is
this has been habitual his whole life. He didn't just start,
you know, start this and get a great job and
get everything the way his life worked and then all
of a sudden he started doing It's probably something that's
(07:51):
been a pattern of his whole life and it just
continued and he probably might have been gotten caught before.
You never know. But now he's coach at the University
of Michigan, so it matters now.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
He couldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Other times, they probably could have swept it under the
rug and it was no big deal. But when you're
the University of michiganizer on you. Now. That's why that's
why a company should do a thorough background and try
to figure it out. Because my guess is, you know,
I read something in Harbor Coach recommending that. My guess
is Jim Harborough probably saw stuff like this, you know,
(08:27):
maybe not with him specifically, but it's a good chance
that that people knew this was going on and he
was still able to get this job.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, what if his wife knew?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
What when?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
If it happened before and his wife knew and stood
by him that this is not shocking to her, I
take it. Maybe sometimes you said, you have clients sometimes
where this has happened before, and then we're going to
try to make it work, and then it happens again.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, we're definitely, we definitely see it in this situation,
and you know she's probably got you know, I don't
know there history, but you know he's making X amount
of millions of dollars right and stuff like that, so
maybe well, you know, I don't like it, but a
blind eye to it for the money or for my
kids or something like that, because a lot of times
the kids are the main factor and all this too.
(09:16):
You know, even if somebody knows what's happening, they don't
want to break up their face to move on.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
We're talking to Chad Moran, a private investigator. He works
in both Ohio and Kentucky, but this was so extreme.
I mean, he got suicidal at the end here. And
how many cases that you've seen when you present this
information that yeah, your wife or your husband is cheating,
that eventually they became suicidal. That's got to be an
extreme case. Chad.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't see a lot of this stuff. I mean,
I can tell you a bunch of horror stories where
you know, we were doing a case, they kind of
confronted each other and we go look for the other person.
We find him at a gun store, you know, So
that's kind of scary. But those are few and far between,
you know, And we don't follow up on every case,
so you know, we kind of present the evidence to
(10:04):
the client unless the client needs us. We don't always
know what goes down behind closed doors with their marriage
in their Townselen. And I'm sure there's times we presented
evidence and you know, somebody realized they made a mistake
and they got back together and they lived happily ever after.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Let me ask something beyond women and men cheating, because
this investigation is going to continue at the University of Michigan.
Apparently the Associated Press reporting this afternoon that the law
firm hired by the u of M to investigate the
former football coach with the staffer, will continue its probe
of the program and is prepared to expand its inquiry
(10:41):
throughout the athletic department. According to two people familiar with
the situation, again, it's the associated Press trustworthy group. What
could they be looking for, Chad? I mean, this relationship
was uncovered, he's been fired. What else might they be
looking for and investigating in this situation.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
They probably just don't want any more black eyes, so
they probably want to try to knit everything in the
butt that's going on. It's not on the up and
up right now. It'd be my guess, you know, because this,
you know, and not to pick on Michigan, but because
this probably happens at about every university. There's probably something
going on at every university that they're not that they
don't want to come out. So I'm sure now Michigan's
(11:24):
front and center. You know, they're they're wanting to be
ahead of the curve and want to make sure they
stop anything else before before any more damage is done.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, Chad, we appreciate your time, and I just missed
talking to you because it's been a while. Chad coached
Cammi for years and it has always be one of
her all time favorite coaches. So I miss you, buddy,
But I do appreciate you talking seriously with us on
this issue because it is what everybody is talking about
right now.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, I definitely appreciate you guys having us And obviously
you know you know how you know how special Camey
is for me. And if she ever marry is a
guy who he cheats on her, We're going to do
a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Hey, Let's say someone's listening.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
We got that, We got that covered for you, Chad.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Let's say someone's listening and they're like, you know what,
I want to hire this guy. How can people reach
out to you to hire you for your services so
they can find out if their spouse is cheating.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You can go to our website the name of a
company's Greater sins II Investigations our website Cincinnati Investigations dot com,
and you always can reach me directly at eight five
nine eight one six twenty two twelve.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Say that number again, slowly one more time.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Eight five nine eight one six twenty two twelve.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And at Cincinnati Investigations you said dot com, Yes, ma'am
a perfect Chad. He'll find if someone's cheating on you,
d Dad, we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Thanks Chad, Thank you guys. Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas, Chad. This is this is what matters.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
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