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October 12, 2023 13 mins

In 2012, Taylor Swift was one of the biggest country music stars in the world. She was also one of the biggest pop stars in the world too. Like her hero Shania Twain before her, Taylor was able to walk a tightrope between the two genres - something that many artists had failed to do.

Taylor always seemed to have her eyes set on becoming a pop star despite being one of country music’s most recognizable names. 

Usually Taylor worked either alone or in a closed circle of collaborators, so she had a decision to make when it came time to start writing for her new album, Red.

Swift immediately thought of someone who could help, so she called Max… as in Max Martin, arguably the most successful pop songwriter and producer of the past 25 years.

With Max Martin and Shellback's help, Taylor was now in a position to redefine herself as an artist, and a chance meeting with a friend of her ex-boyfriend provided the inspiration needed to create the now-iconic 'We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"

Join Myles Galloway as he tells you the true story of 'We are Never Ever Getting Back Together', complete with unearthed footage from Taylor at the time.

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