Biting Into Big Apple Baseball

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to the edition of one hundred and eighth.
This is Payball Talk. Do I have a dream team?
You'd better believe I got five. But I don't call
me the dream But I can tell you one thing.
I got five Thoroughbreds tonight. Now you have an opportunity
to bring back to one of my.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
All time parents. His name is Stuart Hack.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Before I give you the proper introduction, we got Eric
Cats one of my you know, thoroughbreds in the system.
George I court Steady. You know he's good. I don't
have to hammer him anymore because he seems to be
figuring out. I love George anyway forever. And Trent Clark.
I love having this guy on. Thanks of the Sports
Philanthroy Network for connecting us.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I love those people over there. Yeah, go ahead, fluttering,
I have plenty of time for everybody to talk about
their wares on this show. So hope you can join
us as you look by the title biting into Big
Apple Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, Yankee Jazz, you picked the right shot to come on.
Really theresay, really, Suart, that's a must their team.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
But goodness, Yankee Jez, you know what I'm gonna have
your jazz topic on second.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, so we're gonna go out.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
There, and that guy is one of my favorite loyal people,
Yankee Jazz.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I love this guy and he picked the heck.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Come on, I'm telling you we got to a lot
of New York followers out here. But that said, mister act,
give us an introduction about what you've done, what you're
doing and all that, because you I'm going to tell you,
long before I brought this heavy hitting group Shwart and
I did this show with Mark Lettel and Peter Ween.
I thank him for getting Stuart and I connected to
the WEI network. So go ahead, Stuart, you got the

(01:54):
floorishers you'll have another segment. Stands out Yankee Jans. Proud
of you for being out here. Please spread the word
all right? Is that enough Cappy in me?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
But I know I'm not getting easily. Who that care?

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Dart Forger, Thanks Scott.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
So I by day I'm an accountant, which I guess
is really exciting. This is the face that tells you
that you know you owe the irs ten thousand dollars.
But night, I'm here to talk about sports. I had
met Peter in a networking group years ago. There was
an opening at the time on his station for a
sports show.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
I had done sports talk in college.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
I had done play by play for football and basketball,
so I had some experience.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
So Peter brought.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Me on and for a couple of years I did
Hack Attack on sports and I met Scott through that.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Scott had his.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Own show on Peter's network, and then when Peter was
unable to continue, Scott branched off on his own and
brought in Mark Lttel, and the three of us for
a while did the one hundred and eight stitches.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now, Stuart, why don't you let put it out there
and let everybody know up in out working group that
you're a part of. And I think the first and
third Tuesday of the month right now, so time to time.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Go ahead, So I run a group.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's on Zoom.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
I basically decided to do it in the beginning of
the pandemic, so it's actually good.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
The group's going on five years.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
It's the first and third Tuesdays of every month at
twelve o'clock. It's the Friendly Business networking group meeting on Zoom.
So if anyone is interested, they can go on Facebook
for the friendly business networking group message me and I
can get him to log in for our next meeting,
which is a week from tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
And so it doesn't have to be local people, it
can be national. He is authored Brent, just so you
know that, you know you can come on there and
you can promote your book. I'll be promoting my book
on there, and I'll be timing in from time to
time as well. So Stuart's one of my best friends
here and I've always tell you, well, we needed somebody
to help out on the Baseball Show. Stuart Land it's
a pretty dark, good guess, and now that he's coming

(03:57):
on tonight and he has an opportunity to see the
actual transformation process about when we started this show to
where it's really totally progressed. So I just want to
make sure we get that out there so everybody knows,
hang in there, Jazz, we have some stuff coming. So
let's get to the broadcast. So of course I already
mentioned all the particulars, and then we'll mentioning him again. Stuart

(04:17):
will go ahead and give us his other information on
the back end. Also following tonight's show, Professor and the
People with Steve Reichell. He's actually my protege. So when
the time comes and I have to take more of
an extended break, Stephen's going to build in for me
with He's the Steven doing so Mumblie will work for
us in so many different ways. So keep that name
out there, everybody, Stephen Rochelle. This guy is a thoroughbread

(04:38):
like I have for you guys out.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Will he call me? What's go on? I've heard it anyway,
so all right.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
So with that, so let's get to the brunt of
this whole show, because there's a lot to bite into tonight.
The Met's curt record and forty two up, twenty four down,
six thirty six, and the Phillies are in the second
place before and a half game back Candy. Before we
get to these guys, we have comments tonight from Tim Healey,
the regular writer for the Mats, and we also have

(05:05):
Carlos Mendoza. But that said, before you guys comment on
when I said, Candy, go to the table, I want
to get these two up on everybody, and I know
that this is all obtained through spring training.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
Go ahead, Candy, all.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Right to put it in there. Meanwhile, but we had
a whale of time. This is over.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
What we ended up doing is we had this over
in Saint Leslie. Go ahead, We're gonna start off with
town Well on the audition for the Mets, tell me,
has that been a circus since he's been there.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Circus is a good word for it. It's the Wan
Soto Show in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It is the.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
Biggest contract in the history of sports, the biggest edition
you know, acquisition, in the history of the Mets. So
it's uh, it's been fascinating to see a play out.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Over the all season and in spring training.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
So I'm looking forward to seeing it for real on
Opening Day and then for one hundred.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
And sixty one more games, I was joking, and then
for fourteen more years.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
A little while I was joking roll with Mendoza as
we were having a lighthearted moment by the dugout, and
I said, you know, skip, interesting how he took the
same route that you did going from the Bronx over
to Cooleys and he kind of got to chuck a
lot of it, but he didn't have to really change.
He didn't have to move very far to land with
the mass.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Not very far, just got to pay a toll on
the bridge pretty much.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
So it's you know, year two in New York for one,
so so he knows what that part of it is like.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And now, unlike last year with the Yankees.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
When he was coming up on the free agency, wan
Soto knows where he'll be geographically for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
So fell as some certainty to Israel.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
You have it from Tim Healy, Stuart, what are your
talks about what Tim Healy had to say about the
fact that Juan Soto didn't have to really leave the
city to come there, and as talking about the what
we're looking at for Juan Soto.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
I mean, I think there's a difference between his season
last year with the Yankees and this year with the Mets.
Last year he was playing for the contract. This year
he got the contract, so there's a little bit more pressure,
as we've seen so far through the first sixty six
games of the season. So I don't know if it's
a New York thing per se. I think he could

(07:37):
have played anywhere last year the same sort of thing.
He's playing for that big payday. He got it and
now he's got to live up to it.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So do you think he misses Aaron Judge though.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
You know, he's got Alonso, So I mean, he does
have the protection. I don't I think people make more
of that than it actually is.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Okay, So I.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
Don't think he really misses, you know, as far as
you know Judge, he may miss the fact that he
can kind of be a little anonymous when Judge was
there when Judge is hitting fifty five sixty home runs,
and maybe he wasn't seeing that initially when he came
here with Alonso, But now Alonso pretty much is the
way Alonzo's hitting. No one's noticing that Soto, at least

(08:23):
until last weekend, was not hitting.

Speaker 8 (08:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Now Sodo was starting to hit a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Got on base six times yesterday, so it's very you know,
if he starts to get going, you know, look out all.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Right, Eric, And then what we're going to do after
we go around the horn on this, if we're going
to go to Carlos Mendozo as well. We were able
to get this accomplished when we recover the Marlins and
the Mats during spring training. Okay, Eric, some thoughts about
Tim Healy's comments about pertaining with Seort just mentioned.

Speaker 9 (08:56):
Yeah, I mean as far as as far as you know,
I think I think he actually does miss Aaron Judge
because number one, number one.

Speaker 10 (09:03):
When Wansa was in New York, his numbers were off
the charts.

Speaker 9 (09:06):
He had the short port of his disposal, and the
Yankees couldn't just pitch around him and pitch around him,
and no one could just pitch around him and walk
him because next thing you know, he's on he's on
first base and Aaron Judges up. I mean, Juan Soto
could have a little nominae, a little bit of he
could be a little anonymous there, because Aaron Judges, what's
for all atensive purposes, is the star of the show

(09:26):
in the Bronx. I mean, you know, no matter who
comes in, no matter who goes into that into that team,
it'll be just like how it was when a Rod
first Up first joined the Yankees, you know, except this
time that team will always be Aaron Judges, whether WANs
whether no matter who comes in there or not, as
long as Aaron Judge is in that dugout, it is
his team. And but yeah, I think I think pre truthful.

(09:49):
I think wan So, I think Peter A. Lonzo has
been more has benefited a lot more from having Juan
Solo in the lineup than Wan Soto has benefited from
having Peter A Lonzo on the line I mean we
I well, because let's be honest. You know, yeah, they
have Francisco indoor. But when Peter Alonzo before Soto got there,
he was a he was he wasn't nearly as good,

(10:12):
you know, as as he is now now that Soto
is there. But you know, but having the short porch
at your disposal, having an MVP, and having an MVP
and the lineup batting, batting either behind you or in
front of you, how can you not miss that Peter
A Lonzo is not even an ounce of the baseball
player that Aaron judges.

Speaker 11 (10:32):
Fair enough, Okay, George, Well, I beg to difference to
what you you you you kind of insinuated that, you know,
he was under the radar, and then now it was
time for him to start hitting. Well, excuse me, We're
in June already, Okay, So I'm not buying any excuses
about Sodo not hitting. He's been a failure so far

(10:55):
with the Mets, and I know that's a strong word,
but he has been. Now the actually matter is that. Yes,
I agree with you, Eric. I think he does miss
he misses that comfort. He misses Judge tremendously. But he's
got to move on. He's a big boy.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
My god.

Speaker 11 (11:10):
The millions and millions and millions of dollars, I mean,
so whatever was bothering him? Adjustment? What about the heck
can win? Maybe there are some personal things we don't
know about. But all I'm here to say is that
so too, It's about time you step up and deliver.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's all I got to say. All Right, Trent, you
got the last word. Original.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Why I'm not going to comment on these topics is
I'm the one who is a point man to ask
these questions in person. I prefer on nights like tonight,
where I've asked the question. Only four voices are going
to be involved with every clip that we have. All right, Trent,
you have the last word on this and we'll keep
it going down. And after Trent's done, we're gonna put
up the Carlos Mendoza clip next, So be ready to
put it Katie. All right, Trent, you have last word

(11:48):
on this one.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
Well, I missed Aaron Judge. I don't even play for
the Yankees.

Speaker 12 (11:52):
I miss Aaron Judge, the guys sitting three ninety six
with you know what twenty three home runs like. This
guy's a wrecking crew right now. He changes a lineup,
he changes how people think about it. And and it's tough.
I mean, I think patience is a little bit needed here.
But Sodo's and SODA's in trouble. I mean, we are,
we are well to pass the sixty day mark. He's

(12:14):
hitting two forty four. He's gonna start nearing his weight.
It's it's a it's a challenge now, you and I
we we we all talked about.

Speaker 8 (12:22):
On this show.

Speaker 12 (12:23):
And you know, my my feeling is is I think
he's a good ballplayer.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
I do not think he's an eight hundred million dollar player.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
He's he is.

Speaker 12 (12:32):
What I expected him to be. Actually, he's kind of
where I expected him to be. I expect him to
be a little higher on average. Power at eleven home
runs is a little light for him. He's not having
a great start. I think Stewart brings a great point.
You know, we all talk about the pressure, getting the
pressure getting the contract. There's a lot of pressure, like

(12:54):
maintaining that contract. You got to show him that you're
worth like forty million dollars or one hundred you know
whatever is a year, right, it's a it's a big number,
and it's it comes a challenge.

Speaker 8 (13:06):
Man.

Speaker 12 (13:07):
I we're back to that Jerry Maguire clip, Like, you know,
people don't know how much you don't ten million dollars
come to it. Other pressure and the guy's crying, right,
like yo, it's funny, but there is pressure. Like everyone
wants to be valued. They put a value on it,
a personal value of what he is as a ballplayer.
And here was the bend in the contract.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
Right.

Speaker 8 (13:29):
You know, as a ballplayer, he's a good ballplayer.

Speaker 12 (13:32):
But he was never worth that money. I don't think
he's ever gonna prove out he's worth that money. So
therefore he is gonna misalign with the value of that contract.
I think the rest of his career and ultimately the
Mets might.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
Eat this thing.

Speaker 12 (13:45):
I know that's a hard thing to say after sixty
nine days right of the league, but unfortunately, I love
the guy as a player, and if the guy was
making ten million dollars a year, we wouldn't be talking
about it all. We're like, you know, Mon Soto getting
job done. Having impacted the Mets. He's a good defender.
He's doing his thing. You know, he'll get a little better.

(14:07):
He's not where he should be, but we wouldn't be
all frustrated. But with the big number, it looks a
little different.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay, just a footnote on all of this, because we
have a big show. We want to get through that.
In the last two years, Lon Soto, get this. He
debuts with the New York Yankees in Houston, and then
in twenty twenty five he had a debut with the
New York Mets, and ironically, of all places, in Houston,

(14:33):
I guess he had no problem debuting in Houston with
the two New York teams.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
This is in anything that nobody has to comment on.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's nothing more at this point than justin f yi,
as Candy puts in, Carlos Mendoza, go ahead, Candy, so
let me reiterate before we do this again.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
He debuted with New York Yankees in Houston in twenty
twenty four, and he debuted with the Mets in Houston
this year.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
All right, Candy, roll it.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
I'm just scipped, but I want.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
To talk to you about We talked about Farley Marquay
earlier the Door had a pretty good game. While so well,
then of course they what are your thoughts and you're
able to put those guys in the lineup every day.
Not only does it provide you with a power search,
but don't you think that provides a lot of fear
into opposing pitching staffs.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I mean, you know, you're going to.

Speaker 13 (15:29):
Be facing a lot of teams that I've voted to,
you know, but for us to be able to, uh,
especially for me, as many write their name on the
line up, you know, it says that we're gonna we've
got a good team, but we still.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You know, we've got to go out there and do it.
You know, there's a.

Speaker 13 (15:45):
Lot of good teams out there, a lot of offense,
uh things with good offense, and you know these guys
stay healthy and keep those guys doing.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
What they can do and see what has But.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
One other question I asked, Peter Alonzo's back in camp.
How do you feel that he's react on many You
feel his attitude is really refreshed.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
He's ready to have a big year.

Speaker 13 (16:07):
Yeah, he's uh, yeah, he's ready to go. You know,
he's been the same guy since he's you know, first
day of camp, spent the whole uh early last year
getting annoy him, uh, saying that you know, like that
wants to win, knows what it takes to play in
New York, knows uh the organization, and you know he's
uh gonna do whatever it takes to bring in the

(16:30):
championship to.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
The masts once so it took the Bronx to the
Cleveland trails, so took the same trail as you.

Speaker 14 (16:39):
How much we're looking forward to working with one. So yeah,
I mean I'm excited to have him.

Speaker 13 (16:45):
Uh you know what he brings to the team, to
the line up, to the guys in there. You know,
he's the guy who's proven in New York.

Speaker 14 (16:53):
You know, nobody knows what it takes comes with the
War series ring and uh, we're excited time.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
So there you have it.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
The wild card in this interview is Starling Marte. You know,
I had him down here in Miami with the Marlin,
So I don't have his numbers right now. I'm not
really worried about it. I'm looking at the entire picture
about what the mental do over the course of one
hundred and sixty two games. But again, I'm gonna start
with mister mett here Stuart Hack, and that's this. We're

(17:25):
your thoughts about what Carlosmandoza had to say about all
three questions, and then some thoughts about Starling Marte. Stuart,
go ahead.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
You know, you know he said he liked Alonzo's approach
in spring training, but then in spring training everyone has
a great approach. Everyone's ready to have a big year.
You know, you never hear a manager say, you know,
I don't like his approach. I'm not really optimistic about
what's going on. But Alonzo did have a good approach
and it showed so far in the regular season.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
And they have that big three with Alonzo, Lindor and Soto.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Even though Soto was not hitting yet, the threat is
there and other teams see that and in a sense
that helps. And you know, there's been traffic on the
basis when Alonso's gotten on because Soto has walked or
you know, he's been on base, and Lindor has just
been has had an m VP like season to date.
As far as Sterling Marte, I think at this point

(18:17):
he's kind of a role player.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
He may have some big hits here.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
And there, but I don't think they were lying on
him per se, and for whatever reason he got injured,
they could, you know, put someone in his place, and
I don't think they would really lose too much this
point in his career.

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Okay, Eric, I mean showing this showing in the regular
season so far. You know, Peel Alonso's having a having
I think arguably, you know, you could probably call it
a bounce back here compared to what he did last year.

Speaker 10 (18:48):
You know, he's you know, he's having a good year.

Speaker 9 (18:50):
I think, uh, you know, as far as far as
Marte goes, you know, he's not the everyday player the
Mets thought they were getting when they went Pete when uh,
when Steve Cohen said him, I think I think that
was kind of a rookie a rookie owner mistake by
a Cohen on that front.

Speaker 10 (19:06):
But you know, he's, you know, he's he's a role player.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
You know he's gonna you know, he's gonna come in
there and pinch it opportunity, maybe pinch run because I
know Marte has just tremendous speed. You know, he's gonna
kind of come into certain situations where the Mets will
put him in too to be successful. So that's kind
of just the ballplayer that he is at this point
in his career. And then I think once once that
contract runs out with the Mets, I think he's gonna
be uh, he's gonna be done. And then as far

(19:29):
as Soto goes, you know, every hitter is a threat
when they come to the plate. There is no such
thing as the threat is there. The threat is there
when uh, when some of the worst players come come
to the plate, they can still pop one into pop
one into the into the outfield. Particular Yankee Stadium with
the short port, there are plenty of threats that are

(19:51):
being there.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
So far.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
Yes, he does walk, which you know there's not enough
of that, but in the in the in the in
today's game, which is very much a three outcome sport.
But you know, as far as that, as far as
that goes, when the runners are on for for Soto,
he's been he's been a no show.

Speaker 10 (20:09):
And as right now he.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
Leads the league, he right now leads the league and
double and double plays. You know, I think that I
think that we need to I think we need to
see what he does in the second half.

Speaker 10 (20:21):
Obviously, because we all seen players they get off to
like that.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
Awful.

Speaker 9 (20:24):
They all have an awful first half. Nice slow start,
you know, I'm willing to do that. But as far
as the threat being there, he better start. He better
start looking like that. He better start being the threat.
Otherwise pitchers are gonna have no problem, no problem pitching
to him. I guarantee it.

Speaker 11 (20:41):
Okay, George, Well, uh, as far as Stirling Marte goes, yeah,
I agree with you, Eric. I mean, this guy is
just uh, you know, he's a role player now. I mean,
he had a great career looking back over some really
good years in Pittsburgh and then he bounced around Miami Open.
It's so, I mean, I think that he has a role,

(21:03):
but it's a limited role.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Now.

Speaker 11 (21:05):
That doesn't mean he's not a threat. He is a threat.
Like you said, Derek, everybody comes up as a threat. Really,
you can't. You can't be shy or or blow somebody
off and say, oh yeah, this guy's nothing, because they'll
come and get you. We all know that in the
game of baseball, the sport of baseball, you can't do that.
You've got to you gotta pitch your bast and and
throw the best pitches that you want to get these

(21:27):
guys out Alonzo, Yeah, he's a good ball player. I
really liked all over the years, I really do. And
lind Or Yeah, And you know, these are good questions, Scott.
I'm glad you're digging the in in these questions because
you're trying to find out what really is going on here,
whether it's a manager, a coach, or a sports writer

(21:49):
that you interview. First of all, it's good, good work,
and you're doing a good job at it, Scott. So
I'm glad you're putting these interviews in there to give
us some factual back, if you will, and another perspective
of just, you know, getting it from a guy that
plays the game or a guy that covers the game
as a sportswriter, a beat writer does So keep up

(22:10):
the good work on that. But yeah, I mean there's
a lot of weapons in that arsenal of the Mets
and they just got to put it all together.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Thank you, George, appreciate these shows.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Not nice of you, then again, it didn't hurt that
learn from you now you're learning from me on the
new media side. But that's why we've been around for
forty five plus yares. It's like I wrote the foreword
on the book, which can do You'll get too shortly, Trenton,
you have the last words, and we're going to go
to Stuart hat for something.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
On Mondo Galarraga.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Then we're going to go to Jass Chishom, then we
go to a station break All right, trent you have
the last word on that.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (22:41):
I think Shirley Marche is thirty six years old, right,
I mean, I think he's at the end of his career.
I think it's uh, maybe it was a move to
get a little bit something out of him, you know,
get the last blood out of the turnip, right, But
you know, I don't think they're getting much and unfortunately,
you know, sometimes the thirty six year olds come with
the big price. It's a little bit of a gamble
you sometimes get, you know, that veteran guy who's maintained

(23:04):
himself very well and continues to deliver and have impact
and have.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Massive contribution.

Speaker 12 (23:12):
Right now, Sterling Marte is not showing that long, long
career starting back in twenty twelve in Pittsburgh, so he's
kind of played out that day and he looks weathered
right now.

Speaker 8 (23:23):
He doesn't look like the same guy.

Speaker 12 (23:24):
We've seen in the past, and I think there's probably
a couple of reasons for that. New York's not an
easy market to play in, for sure, having been playing
in Animinity a little bit with Pittsburgh and Florida, and
all of a sudden, you're under the big microscope, but
you really got to deliver, and so far he hasn't
done it.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
It's early.

Speaker 12 (23:43):
There's still chances, but the stats are probably not in
his favor. Age is probably not in his favor and
being kind of a power speed guy at thirty six,
you're probably not there anymore. There's a lot of younger
talent that can make that up very quickly. So does
he have the wise win and the crafty veteran player
in him that can still really contribute really questionable right

(24:06):
now when we come back to Sodo.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
You know, this is the challenge we have a Sodo.

Speaker 12 (24:11):
I look at like I'm looking at Soto's career stats
like he's a two eighty two hitter. You know, he's
had three years of one hundred RBI seasons. Back in
twenty nineteen in his first full season one hundred and
fifty games, had one hundred and ten RBIs two years ago,
our last year or two years ago. Yeah, in San Diego,

(24:32):
you know, one hundred and nine again last year, one
hundred and nine in New York.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
So really delivering on that.

Speaker 12 (24:37):
He's just really off the numbers, but it's not very
far off his twenty twenty two numbers of the Washington
San Diego year, he's right there. He average about two
forty two in twenty twenty one. Those are his big
years as an as a as a guy. Three thirteen
the only full season, and I'll give him this, he's

(24:58):
a pretty durable guy, right, one fifty one, one fifty three,
one fifty three, one sixty two, one fifty seven, so
you can expect some durability. His other big three hundred season,
he only played forty seven games. He was injured in
twenty twenty, so he lost more than one hundred games
that season. So three fifty one a nice average. And
I don't know if he was hitting that when he

(25:19):
went out or when.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
He came back.

Speaker 12 (25:20):
I don't remember who the injury was back in twenty
but that might be COVID too. I don't know exactly
what happened there, but you know, when you look at it,
this is this is the challenge of putting a guy
and and just the just a straight miss on the
contract valuation versus what you can expect from this guy,
because I don't think Juan Soto is gonna disappoint Now.

Speaker 8 (25:42):
The thing I really like is that New York's continuing
to win.

Speaker 12 (25:48):
I mean like they they they as a team effort
across the lineup. They're not relying just on the eighty
eight hundred million dollars man to get it done, because
if they were, they certainly wouldn't be where they're at
with the second record in baseball just a few I
think they're one game different off the Tigers. They have
one less win because the Tigers got a game in hand. Otherwise,

(26:09):
you know, nearly the best record in baseball and the
best record in the National League. Thank you, thank you
to the Phillies, who have won one in the last
ten games, by the way, so they've kind of fellen
off a cliff, but uh, listen, consistent play and team
play will always win. And I think if Soto can
kind of the team's allowing him to find his groove

(26:32):
and hopefully he'll step in and have a much better
here back of the next four months in the.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
First two excellent commentary all the way around. Stuart.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
This one's strictly for you. We already talked about it
last week. I want to hold this topic over for you,
and that's this last week. I think that Armando Galarraga
that that graft that they made should be changed because
they entered really play.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
He should get that perfect game.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
And or the rest of my group says they disagree
with me, And I have zero problem with anybody disagree
with me on anything, because this was there for him
to go out there and express her opinion, and I'm
totally okay with that. But now we have you on here,
we know about the imperfect game by Armando Galarraga. Are
you signing with the majority or you're going with a

(27:19):
very big minority. Should it be switched where you're talked
about Armando Colorago's imperfect.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Game, They're not gonna switch it, and they shouldn't. I mean,
that's part of baseball. As a met fan, their first
no hitter in history was by Johannes Santana and the
fact of the matter is in that game, Beltran hit.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
A ball down the line that was a double that
they called foul.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
So if you're going to do that, then you give
sant you joke around, you give Santana a one hitter.
You know, it's part of the game. And as far
as Gala Raga personally, I think it makes him stand out.
He's the only you know, you know, he could.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Could have had the perfect game. Yeah, it looks good
on your resume, but he had the perfect game.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
He got twenty eight, that's right, and that makes him
stand out more than any of the others. So and
you know the rest of his career was so so,
so I think, don't change it. I think Gala Raga
should be thrilled to death that this happened because it
put him on the map. It gives us a chance
to talk about this fifteen years later. Right, So keep

(28:21):
the way things are and keep it going.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
There you go, you're follow into that GMT eight category
called great mindset of like aka Eric Trenton George. And
that's okay, I in mind going the other way. But
what comes out of this negative turning into a positive?
If you did get instant replay out of it, it's
not the worst thing that's ever happened. Because when you
make an obvious mistake like that, then something had that face.

(28:48):
So Armando can look more on his infamous day in history,
knowing that if there's one individual that impacted the replay
situation more than them, name them.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I think Armando Galarraga.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
As a guy that can certainly put his name on it,
all right, thinking jazz, Wait no more, We'll go to
this topic, then we go to the station break. When
we come back from the station break, I'm gonna throw
a lot of great facts in there, but jazzism. Work
with him with the Miami Marland he said baseball is
a white sport. My goodness, boy, is that controversial or

(29:20):
what mister New York were your talks about jazz tris
I'm saying that baseball is for white people and not
the other the minorities.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
You know, I'm not saying he's a one hundred percent wrong,
not saying he's one hundred percent right.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
I mean, I guess I've never walked in his shoes.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You know.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
I was a pretty bad little league player back in
my day, so I could see where he's coming from.
Maybe coming up, maybe he felt there were white people
that got more of an opportunity than he did. I
think earlier this wasn't there something with a cuna where
or what was the guy's name. Jared Keltner didn't run

(30:06):
out of ball and he wasn't really punished by Atlanta,
And a cunic who was hurt at the time came
out and said, you know, if you know, if if
I if I was white, I might not have gotten
punished either. So I think there may be a point
as to what he's saying. Maybe not one hundred percent correct,
but he may have a point.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Okay, Eric, he.

Speaker 10 (30:31):
Is and he's not. He is, he's right, and he's
at the same time he's he's not. Number one. What
about the people who who risk their lives.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
Kind of going on these little wooden boats to come
over to play, to try and make a better life
for themselves playing baseball?

Speaker 10 (30:46):
Are they Are they not a part of that group
of people too?

Speaker 9 (30:51):
You know, yes, I think the average American, you know,
the you know, people who are in from a who
are like you know, born bred Americans, you know.

Speaker 10 (30:59):
A people who are of a different color.

Speaker 9 (31:02):
Yes, we're seeing less of them kind of play baseball
because you know, they see they see football and basketball
as a way as a ticket for them to get through,
to get through college and then instead of going through
the minor leagues for a period of time, they could
jump in there in that sport right away and they
make a lot of money right off the bat.

Speaker 10 (31:19):
So that's also been a little bit of factor there
because we all.

Speaker 9 (31:21):
Know that in the minor leagues there is not a
whole lot of money to be made as a player.
There is, you make very little. I know it's gotten
better over the years, but still it's not it's not great.
But he's right and he's wrong because you know, there
are plenty of people who come over from Central America
and other and a lot of and a lot of
other countries trying to make better lives themselves through the

(31:43):
through the sport of baseball, which you know, that's if
baseball is. Baseball gets a lot of people of from
Latino countries, and you know, scouts are pounding them day
and day and night, sometimes sometimes illegally to get them
to come to get them to come over.

Speaker 10 (31:58):
And also people from Japan.

Speaker 9 (32:00):
We're seeing it influx of Japanese town come over, come
over to this country more than ever before. Yet we
would get a little we used to get a little
bit here and there, but look, we got Otani, who's
you know, who's obviously who's obviously transcending trans kind of
picking up where each Euro left off and transcending the
game over in Japan, we're seeing you know, Sasaki, you know,

(32:20):
he came over from Japan. We see Yamamoto, who's looking
like a cy young candidate.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
So far this year.

Speaker 9 (32:26):
So there's plenty of people of in the minority playing baseball.
It's just not it's just I think what he's trying
to say is he might be trying to relate it
back to people who are African American who tend to
lean more, lean more toward football and basketball instead of
instead of baseball.

Speaker 10 (32:45):
But at the same time, though.

Speaker 9 (32:46):
There's plenty of there's plenty of them, there's many, there's
plenty of a minority presence in the sport.

Speaker 10 (32:51):
Just you just have to look at everybody's roster.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Right Tomentary, Eric George, he stole my thunder again.

Speaker 11 (33:00):
Cats, You don't you don't put the Hispanic and the
South American folks or the Asians as white. I don't
know if Jazz misinterpreted what he was saying or not.
Number two, how often Jazz are you going to the
playgrounds in your city. How often are you speaking to

(33:21):
youth groups and trying to get them to play baseball
because of what you just said, Eric, they're going for football,
they're going for the NBA college basketball, They're not going
for baseball like they used to. And I know that Trent,
you've got experience in this area as well as being
a major league guide. The fact of the matter is
is that it's not going to happen by just clicking
your fingers. We need to see in the community. And

(33:44):
you know, the teams are they always tell you about
community of this community that, but we need to see
the star players getting out there and helping these young kids,
help inform them as baseball players for the future. But
if they're all going to just go for big money
in other sports, there's not much you can do about it.
But what I'm saying, h Jazz is just try to
go out there, help a little bit more, and let's

(34:07):
try to get more black African Americans into Major League Baseball,
into the pipeline, because I agree it's not it's not
being represented very well right now, but the minorities are
being represented as opposed to just not the blacks being
you know, more in numbers, George all going.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
To tell you if you want to be taking chance
just home for delivering glabored torres of the Detroit Tigers. Well,
that's how I'm gonna say. I don't want you to
dwell on that, but I'll turn over the trend. I
just thought i'd get that, and I'll well, I know
better than any of you guys talked to the guy.
But I'm waiting on this last I get you, guys,

(34:49):
I have interesting go ahead.

Speaker 10 (34:51):
Right, I mean I don't.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
I don't think he's wrong. I mean I don't.

Speaker 12 (34:57):
You know, the stats will back up he's not wrong.
Like right now at twenty twenty two is the last
stats I could find on this, and the whites were
fifty seven and a half percent, Blacks were down to
seven seven point two percent, which is the lowest since
like the.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
Early nineteen nineties.

Speaker 12 (35:12):
Hispanics are thirty two percent, Asian or other are just
under three percent. All right, so we're not seeing a
massive inflection of Asian players, even though one of the
best players is Asian, right, And so we're not seeing
this massive movement of every team signing five Asian players
to their Big League roster. They are not anywhere near

(35:34):
twenty five percent of a roster. I'm surprised the black
percentage is down, but I think to the point in
this country, NBA is number one, you know, forty four percent,
NFL forty percent. You know, this is where black players
are dominating. This is where everyone's going, you know, and
this is a challenge. And I think you bring a

(35:56):
great point, George, that we need some some folks that
everybody wants to rally around, some people that are in
the community that people look up to and are absolutely
stewards of the game. You know, cal Ripken kind of
had that effect on the game in the nineties. He
had everyone wanting to play baseball. It was a big deal,

(36:16):
and the Baltimore community was all about baseball. They don't
have an NHL team, they don't have an NBA team,
So there's a lot of things in there that factor
into this, of course, right, but it's an interesting factor.
I'm surprised that numbers are going down. What's interesting though,
is when we look at the all time home run list,
fifty percent on the list or you know, on the

(36:38):
top fifteen or black, right, So like we get this,
we have great athletes that have been in the game
a long time, and they're not always role models. You know,
Barry Bonds is a great I mean, one of the
best players ever, if maybe not the best player ever
in my opinion, I mean, not a great role model
for any community, any community, loan, the Black community, right

(37:01):
Like he was. He was a standoffish, hardcore guy who
loved playing the game, played the game his way with
with no apologies.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
And that's okay. Barry is going to be Barry.

Speaker 12 (37:12):
But and even Hammer and Hank Aaron who was a
superstar in the seventies, very quiet guy, very soft spoken guy,
great leader by example, but not maybe that community spokesperson, right,
And so as we've seen these, as we've seen players
along the way, sure would love to see some more

(37:32):
heroes in the black community pushing kids at a young
age to go play.

Speaker 9 (37:37):
I mean there's been plenty of like there's I mean,
I think teams are doing a little bit better job
in that regard. Like I can only I can only
speak for I can only speak I can only name
the Yankees because that's the only one I can really
speak of because I heard I heard about it somewhere.
So apologize to other teams who are obviously obviously doing
a lot to try and to try and change that.
Everybody knows that the Yank Yank the where where Yankee

(37:58):
Stadium is situated, it's one of the poorest places in
the United States, the Bronx and you know, been a
not a very pleasant neighborhood to be in. But you know,
but the Yankees recently conducted a conducted a baseball clinic
at at one of the at one of the playgrounds
near nearby the nearby the stadium, so they obviously we

(38:20):
could do more. And obviously this is just kind of
like just a small thing, just a small thing, because
obvious it's gonna take a lot more than just a
few baseball clinics to uh to make to make that happen.
But I think I think baseball is kind of starting
to take a stand on that and try and try
and switch switch that narrative around. But at the same time, though,
again they're competing with economics, which everybody knows that if

(38:40):
you are a great athlete, a great football player, a
great basketball player, you can count on college being paid.
You can count on college being paid for if you
are good, if you are so fortunate to go to
Division one plus the pros at that level, they'll pay
you right away. In baseball, you got to work your
way up to that. That's just the way it is.
And in this generation of we want it now, they're
generally going to lean toward football and basketball.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Okay, yeah, I would also say, real quick, real quick, MotorCity.

Speaker 12 (39:07):
You know, MLB invested in nineteen eighty nine, they invested
in the reviving baseball and inner cities there I RBI program,
and so I got to ask, like, is this having
the influence they were hoping for because in nineteen eighty
nine we saw that early spike you know again, and
then we had the lowest numbers in the early nineties

(39:28):
of black MLB players and now it's back down to
seven point two percent. So I don't know if we're
getting influenced in these communities or not.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Okay, you know what, you guys are all fantastic on
this topic. I knew this was going to be a
lightning rod to begin with, and you guys proved to
me why we ended up using it before the station break.
Here's what we've got here. We can look at it
a lot of different ways. Number One, I know Jazz
Chisholm was right because Trent Clark made sure that I
was with that seven percent number number two. How many

(40:01):
of us remember and we know Erica because he remembers everything. Anyways,
al campanis committing reputational damage on ABC News Nightline. Nobody's
gonna comment on this. That's why I'm going last on this.
MAT's mentioned in my book, Okay, Lessons from the Microphone,
and there'll be another one coming out later this year.

(40:21):
Tad Copple did everything in his power to save this guy.
Al campanis from going off the deep. Bet he really did.
Now here's where I'm gonna tell you, Jackie Robinson. I
know this isn't what you wanted to hear tonight. Unfortunately
Trent stated the facts and that's just how it is.
But I had one on one interview with Fred Clair,

(40:44):
the executive for the La Dodgers on the MotorCity Mad
Mouse Show. For those of you that want a good,
in depth interview to go to, please go to the
South Florida Tribute YouTube channel. Call up my interview with
Fred Clare. Clear to me, is the most criticble individual
I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
He really is.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
He was generous enough to give me his time on
the show. And you know what his attitude when he
came on my show and I had a previous relationship
to begin with. That's why when I tell people in
my book relationship make a bit of Bevern Stuart Hack.
I don't know what he's in the networking business, right, relationships?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
How important are they? But think about it.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Fred Clare went out there on that show talked about
that Ted Topple el Campis. I felt bad for Al
because I met him over the nineteen eighty one baseball
water meetings when I first got involved in He was
really super nice for me, and to see him get
terminated after forty years was really too bad.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I don't think he meant to say it.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Unfortunately, he was relating to other African Americans or managerial
with material. And that's when Ted Topple tried so hard.
Please they'll do it. Did The rest is history? Please,
I'll repeat it one more time to the MotorCity man
Mouth show on the South Florida Tribune YouTube channel and

(42:05):
look up Fred Claire. Fred tells you the way he
is and I'm gonna actually send him a copy of
this particular show one hundred and eight such as baseball
talking and let him know I mentioned you hear Fred.
I love the guy and the fact of the matter
is I look forward to hopefully seeing him again at
some point. But this guy addresses this white topic better

(42:25):
than anybody because of what had to happen with al campaigns.
Sometimes you have to learn the hard way, and he did.
And I'm glad Eric mentions each ro Suzuki as well
as Shoheo Tani because they have made an impact in
the sport. The only thing that they are is their Japanese,
but they're still minorities. But this black white thing is

(42:48):
one thing that I have to deal with as an
executive producer.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Do you do it? Yes? You do?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Because I know Jazz well enough and he's a heck
of a player. He's finally playing for the New York
Yi's that he has a chance to win with and
he's fine, he really is. And he's a flamboyant character.
I don't care what color his hair is on a
given night. He's a fast player who got home run
power and he's playing in the Bronx. That's an ideal

(43:13):
place for in the place, and he could showcase his
candid personality. Don manning Lee loved him. Who in the
Marlins clubs.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
One loved this guy.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Now, I had a lot of funnel with them, so
I have nothing wrong with it, and that's why I
wanted to put it on and night. So Don Manningly,
and you know what everybody knows on this panel what
I'm thinking, Don Mannyway.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I love Don Manningly. He's one of my favorite people.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, Eric, will give you a second, but then we
have to go to a station break. But the reality
is is I'm glad that jas Chisholm Junior brought an
important issue to the forefront and then he made his
comments and that we addressed up tonight.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Eric, I've said my piece.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I've already made my Fred Claire reference Ted Copple, ABC
News Nightline. I'll give you the last one out that
we do go to a station break. I have other
things we have to get going, So go ahead.

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Eric.

Speaker 9 (44:00):
I was gonna say, though, if if Don Mattingly liked
him so much, then why did they have to have
that embarrassed, that embarrassing team meeting.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Involving Well, it doesn't matter. You got to understand the nature.
He's a flamboyant character.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Don Maniley was one of those types. That's the only
thing that Eric.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
As you get more and more passes in the game,
you're going to find out that what you see on
the inside versus you see on the outside. That's just
a matter of time for you. Don Manningly addressed all
of his players. But unfortunately, one of the major reasons
I know that Don Manningley left is illegal with the
all time winning his manager in Maryland's history. So he
left it as well. He did as much as he

(44:38):
could do. So every man can't tell me, Eric that
every player, okay, doesn't have a meeting with his manager
to begin with, because they all do. It just so
happens in a market like this that one's going to
be a bit more magnified to begin with. Eric, I
totally get your point. But Don Mannally, knowing him and
knowing both parties that you're talking about, I understand where
we're coming with it, and your point is totify there.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
It really is fair enough.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Okay, Cady, we go to a station break and we
have a lot more when we come back. I'll have
a lot of good information I'm just gonna put out there.
Then We're gonna have some Hall of Fame conversation as well.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Go ahead.

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Speaker 2 (46:16):
Thank you, Scott, great self, Candy. Lots of information.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
I'm not looking for everybody to comment on the information,
but i'd like to bring this up. If anybody wants
to comment randomly, they can do that, okay, Because I
have a lot of great Hall of Fame questions are
going to ask each and everyone yet, Stuart, that's the
one thing we do on the show now is when
I have a panel that's as respected as I have,
that's what we're able to incorporate the Hall of Fame segment,
and tonight I'm going to the level of three since

(46:41):
a lot of them are in New York base and
that's why we're taking a little bit further than we
do most. I hope you can hang in there with
a little bit longer, Stewart, because we're still getting to
a lot of it as well. So we're going to
start off with the New York Mets. First of all,
they saw their record revenue of two point two hundred
and sixty one million at City Field twenty twenty four.

(47:01):
Twelve million of that is net income, even with attendance
down nine percent to two point three three million fans,
So most of that revenue was really attributed to ticket
sales ads as well as concessions and suites. So anybody
that knows anything about Cityfield will realize that you're gonna
even though you may find yourself, you know, down or up,

(47:24):
it doesn't matter. We know Steve Cohen his deep pocket.
So I'm gonna I read those stats over very quickly,
and I'll go over them again. Okay, So they did
a record revenue of two hundred and sixty one million
dollars at city Field in twenty twenty four, and I'll
slow it down twelve twelve million in net income, even
with attendance down nine percent. That's the thing that people say,

(47:45):
attendance maybe down nine percent to two hundred and thirty
three two point three three million fans. Again, I already
attributed the revenue attribute to ticket sales and concessions in
sweet that's an fhy. And then I'll go to the Yankees,
and then we'll combine up very quickly. We don't need
a long drawn outs on these. They're information for people

(48:07):
to know as we talk about baseball in the Big Apple. Secondly,
let's talk about the New York Yankees. One of my
good friends, Barry Bloom. I know a lot of people
have heard of them. Is one of my good friends.
I'm hoping to get them on in a future edition
of one of my shows, and I'll be reaching out
to them when we get back from Europe. But let's
but I'm going to talk about Barry's publication Coach Fortico.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
And Barry is the man behind it. He says that
the valuation of the Yankees is seven point nine to
three billion, which is first of thirty. It's the US
sports rank is fifth, and a lot of that income
is related to the real estate income itself. Business is
one point oh nine billion. And then you also have
their twenty twenty three revenue at seven hundred and twenty

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million dollars done hurt. They only have twenty seven championships
and with a George Steinberer payp for the franchise in
nineteen seventy three oh eight point eight million dollars, So
I think the Seinbreyer got a pretty good return on
investment and talked about them collectively. I'll be more than
happy to go around a horn very quickly, but I

(49:13):
need your comments will be straightened right to the point. Stuart,
you have first crack at it.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
You know, the money is just it blows my mind.
You know, I remember growing up and you know, I
think the minimum salary for rookie was like eighteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
And now it's just such a multi million dollar industry.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
You know, you have stadiums that have these huge corporate
sponsors that come in.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
It's almost saddens me in a way.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
I remember like the love I had as a child
for the game, and I don't know if kids these
days really have that. And there's no going back. I mean,
that's that's what we are. I mean, you know, it's
a billion dollar industry and you know, I guess we
just have to live with that.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, and I'll assume. Yeah, that's where comment on both
Eric can comment. You know where I stand with us.

Speaker 10 (50:13):
We have a lot of hall pre I mean, let's
be honest.

Speaker 9 (50:18):
Around the eight around the eighties, though baseball was probably
doing about three hundred three hundred, it was probably doing
about three hundred plus million million a year, and guys
were getting like I think the highest contract I think
was probably like eight million dollars, which was a lot
of money back then. But now it's a multi billion
dollar industry. Part of that too is just you know Steinberg.
You know, you could probably say Steinberger kind of kind

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of didn't help, didn't help there because he kind of
view baseball, baseball as a business, you know, bringing in
the best stars, to get the to get the people,
to get the people coming into the Yankee Stadium, putting
the butts in the seats, you know. I mean, when
you have stars and star power, it's going to attract
corporate sponsors. The Yankees could have sold the naming rights
for Yankee Stadium but for a record amount of money

(50:59):
and to thousand and nine, but opted not to. But
you know, it's just it's just where the game is.
You know, it's a it's a multi billion dollar empire.
And that's the way it is. I mean as far
as as far as as far as kids liking the
game goes, I don't know, depends on who you talk to.
I still I still love it, you know, but again,
change is inevitable.

Speaker 11 (51:18):
All right, George, Well, from a financial standpoint, I mean,
let's face it, the New York Mets are never going
to catch the Yankees. I'm glad you shared those numbers
with us, Scott. You know, they're they're having a good year,
as we talked about earlier. You know, they're right up
there with the Yankees and so far the Tigers and

(51:40):
Cubs as the best teams in baseball right now. But
obviously it'll it'll it'll produce huge gates, and they've had
good crowds already, and they got their new stadium, which
is something they've been wanting for for years and years.
I know it's been there a few years, but they're
still reaping some rewards from that as well. But you
put it in perspective, they're never going to Yankees and

(52:00):
stuff like that. Yankees are always going to be number one,
you know, like like you just said, Eric, going after
the stuperstar players. That's there. That's there, that's their way
they do business in New York. And of course the
Mets have done that too in the last dozen years
or whatever. So very interesting numbers, incredible what the return

(52:21):
is for some of these longtime owners or their families.
You can go right down the list, teams that have
paid nothing for the franchise, like in Detroit, not shen
say nothing, but when Mike Ilich bought it, the same
kind not as good as the Yankees, mind you. But yeah,
these scene numbers because they kept the team in the family,

(52:41):
and that helps the That's helped continuity, but also helps
keep the money there.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Great point about illige, by the way, go ahead, Trent
and I have a couple of closing thoughts on it.

Speaker 12 (52:51):
Yeah, I mean, listen, George Steinbrenner's a businessman, right, he
said a president. I mean I was in the shipping industry.
Saw what he did there. He was a tycoon there,
create a lot of value. The guy's gone and created
value wherever he's gone. He has a vision of being
better than everybody else. He proved that, got his own
TV contracts, I mean, sut the world on fire, and

(53:12):
you know, teamed up with the number one sport in
the world, right soccer football over in Europe. And he
teamed up on the Yes Network and became like a mogul.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
And he's always kind.

Speaker 12 (53:23):
Of set in precedent doing things other people wouldn't do.
And so you know, you gotta hands off. You know,
it's a steinbredder. Now you are saying, I'm going to
disagree with George on one thing. It's not necessarily the
Yankees will be there forever. The family may change.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
I mean the money that the Mets are playing.

Speaker 12 (53:39):
If you to sustained the Mets winning ways of the
eighties team when they were all with Strawberry and Good
and everybody down there, if that have maintained through now,
I don't know, we wouldn't be talking about Mets.

Speaker 8 (53:51):
Being the number one team, you know, all of baseball.
You know, So there is a chance things things could change.
But man, that valueuation, He's positioned.

Speaker 12 (54:01):
It very well for that valuation to maintain, and that's
going to be the difference I think ultimately. So you know,
I think we've talked. Maybe once upon they show how
I thought Michael Jordan, what is he doing? You know,
he bought the Charlotte Hornets for one hundred and twenty million,
and this guy can't know what he's doing sixteen years
I think they made the playoffs once he has no

(54:22):
idea and what do you sell it for two point
eight billion or something?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
So like what do I know?

Speaker 12 (54:26):
Like this guy is bought an investment and though it
didn't reap any kind of impact that the Yankees did
from a winning standpoint, that valuation of you know, and
I'll let Stuart the accountant, man, is this like it's crazy.

Speaker 8 (54:41):
What's that percentage?

Speaker 12 (54:42):
Right, It's like it's like one thousand percent better, Like
it's it's a massive ROI in a very short period,
and you got to give it off to the business
guys that maybe they know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
All Right, a couple of things I want to get to.
All Right.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I know, Eric, you're gonna want to say, so let
me get mine in first, or you know, I'll let
you do it and then I'll say what I have
to say.

Speaker 9 (55:02):
I was gonna say, you, actually, in sports, the Vadona team,
you actually have to try and not make money. The
only guy, the only owner that I know of who
epically failed as an owner was Art Modell, you know,
who was taking a loan out of who had to
take a loan out of a bank to sign Andre
Rison back in the nineties. You know, it's so it
is like you actually have to try and not make

(55:24):
money in sports because let's be honest, we all know
sports is I mean, it's not nearly as profitable as
other other industries in America, but it's guarantee you're guaranteed
to make to make money, I promise you.

Speaker 10 (55:34):
And you know, with.

Speaker 9 (55:35):
The Yankees, they're a most They're They're not just a
low They're not just a a a national brand.

Speaker 10 (55:42):
They are an international brand. They are known all over
the world. And I'm on the Mets end.

Speaker 9 (55:46):
I mean, I'm not so sure though, if I mean,
if the Mets would have kept.

Speaker 10 (55:49):
Their winning ways, if things would have continued.

Speaker 9 (55:51):
I mean, it didn't help that Bernie made off with
their financial advisor for a while there. But you know it,
it all comes down to, like, you know, sports, you're
gonna make money. I mean every you know, for example,
the Cubs. The Cubs have had some bad teams over
the years, really bad teams over the years, but the
people still keep coming to Wrigley Field no matter what,

(56:12):
because because the game becomes secondary, it becomes an event space,
it becomes a place for networking, it becomes a place
for dining, it becomes a place for drinking.

Speaker 10 (56:21):
You know it.

Speaker 9 (56:22):
You know, people, you know, the game is just kind
of the show on the field. Really, you know, the
terms the stadium now has changed now kind of more
into an event space to bring people, entertain people. It's
you know, but no matter what though, no matter how
good or bad the Cubs are, they are going to
draw no matter what.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
All right, I'll say George for mentioning this here so
you don't have to do it. The Tigers and the
Cubs over at co America Park crew one hundred and
twenty one thousand over a weekend. We don't know about
the Cubs prime power. Now that you guys say to
your piece here, Eric, I'm glad that you talked about
the fact that the Yankees did not go out there
and look for a sponsor for the Yankee Stadium, because
that's revenue. One thing every one of you guys missed.

(57:02):
That's why I'm glad I'm commenting on last is they
have their own network called Yes Network. So here you go.
I'm mentioning this. I gave everybody their turk, now it's mine.
First of all, I'm glad you also brought up Darryl
Strawberry and Doc Gooden. Those are guys. You got Michael
Kay over there, which is really great stuff doing his thing,

(57:23):
and I've talked to Michael a few times, one of
the nicest guys.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
When you have the Yes Network and your pocket, that's big.
How many teams are scrambling right now, okay to find
television The Yankees are not one of them. They have
their own network and that's fueling a lot of this too,
which what we mentioned that this thing is way too
complicated to even get into. But if you don't take

(57:46):
anybody from my comment, the YES network as well, and Yes, Eric,
you're right, there's no sponsor on it with Michael Kay,
so you have to put it into perspective. We also
have Holse Stibbrunner with a much different business model to
George Steinbrener and Brian Cashman to me, believes in building
internally and that's why you have a lot of these

(58:07):
guys doing it as well.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
So being a guy that worked with the Fort Lauderdale
Yankees back in the early eighties, the Yankees developed a
lot of great profits, but they shipped them away to
get better players right now, and George Steinbrenner has ringed
the show for it, so nobody's gonna even question that.
George Steinberner's also mentioned in my book.

Speaker 12 (58:25):
Fun Fact Fun Fact reason the reason George Steinberner brought
the Yankees is because he couldn't buy his number one choice,
Cleveland Indians, because he's a Cleveland guy, and they couldn't
buy the Indians so he had to buy the Yankees
as a consolation. And I would also say, if we're
looking at a model of what he said, didn't Jerry

(58:47):
Jones follow the George Steinbrenner model to a t?

Speaker 8 (58:50):
And what are the Dallas Cowboys were today?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
The Umber one?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah, makes you wonder about that, and I'm glad that
Eric brought into model right in comparison.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
That was really good. Stuart.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I'm going to tell you, my friend, this is what
we got on his crew. They know there's stuff, okay,
and I'm not bragging, but I should be able to
talk about my guys in terms of what they all
bring to the table, which is why this show is,
unquestioning one of the top shows that we have on
the network as well. So as we continue on, so
there's a lot of moving parts of this whole thing,

(59:23):
and this entire crew was able to bring him out.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
So you have then as network and then you talk
about the Mets and Yankees.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Let's not forget there the number one television market in
the country, lo, you know, so that doesn't hurt either.
So let's go ahead. We have a couple few more
things I want to get to. These are basic, yes
and no questions with a small explanation attached to them.
And it's a Hall of Fame segment, all right. Start
off with you, Stuart, Joe Torre as a player Hall

(59:51):
of Fame, yes or no?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah? Eric, No, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Joe Tory throws into a Hall of very good.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Okay, he was a decent player, had one outstanding season
in nineteen seventy one. The rest of his career was
solid Hall of Fame career. No, never played in a
World Series as a player?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Fair enough? Okay, Eric?

Speaker 9 (01:00:13):
No again, Like like Stewart says, solid career. You know,
but there's but during his time there were catchers that
were way that were way better than him.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
George, I'm also going to say no. There are a
lot of different reasons why. There's too many reasons to
go into, but the basic justice this, he was not,
to me, one of the top flight catchers in that
era consistently, consistently, and the numbers aren't there for him

(01:00:45):
as far as I'm concerned, also for the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
So it's a no for me. Okay, what about you, Trent?

Speaker 8 (01:00:51):
No manager? Maybe player? No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Fair enough? I agree, no, all the way around. Five
to nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Nextll and Bernie william I'll give you his numbers and
then you guys can I'll go around the same word
and went with lifetime average through ninety seven, had twenty
three thirty six home runs, two eighty seven RBI, twelve
fifty seven, five time ALSAR, four time Gold Glove, World,
four time World Series Champion. Okay, Stuart again, Bernie Williams

(01:01:19):
is your guy? Are you giving him the thumbs up
or the thumbs down?

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
So I'm gonna say thumbs down. He's the second entry
into the Hall of very Good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Although he played on some you know good world series,
seems he wasn't the star necessarily. I don't think he
had great World Series numbers, postseason numbers average, which is
what you have to look for, and the thresholds. He
was short of three thousand hits, he was short of
three hundred home runs.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
So he's he's got to just go into the Hall
of very good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Okay, very good, all right.

Speaker 9 (01:01:47):
Eric, No, very good, very love Bernie, very good player,
forever grateful.

Speaker 10 (01:01:53):
For what he gave, what he gave on New York.

Speaker 9 (01:01:56):
But the thing was, though he kind of benefited from
having a bunch of stars around him, had it been
Ernie Williams carrying that team, the Yankees would have gone nowhere.

Speaker 11 (01:02:03):
George, Uh yeah, he, to me is not gonna make it.
I don't even think on the special committees that he's
going to get consideration at a serious level. I agree
that he was surrounded by great players, and you know,
some of those years are a little exaggerated, probably because
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
So overall, no, I can't.

Speaker 11 (01:02:25):
I can't put him on my ballot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
No, huh, go ahead, Trent Well.

Speaker 12 (01:02:30):
I did a little AI check on this, and I
agree with every one of you, and so does AI.
The average centerfielder in the Hall of Fame around three ten,
he's thirteen short, twenty seven hits. He's almost you know,
three fifty plus short, two hundred and ninety home runs.
He's around that mannel and Mays did stew that so
a little bit more power. He did reach the threshold

(01:02:53):
on the RBI mark at twelve fifty, you know, from
from the home runs standpoint two fifty to three hundred,
kind of around there.

Speaker 8 (01:03:02):
One thirty five here's the big one. On the defense.

Speaker 12 (01:03:07):
Five Gold gloves, ten All Star appearances were average for
a center fielder outfielder in the Hall of Fame, Bernie,
I just I believe in you know exactly what Stewart said,
which is the very good and Katsy, I don't think
if he's surrounded by a different audience, he's not a
game changer like that.

Speaker 8 (01:03:27):
He's not Hall of Fame quality. The numbers don't lie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Okay, I'm not endorsing this one either. All very good.
The numbers are what they are, and that's that. La'st
one I want to talk about is Thurman Lunson. This
was a very this is an interesting one, and this
was really interesting, so I wouldn't be surprised if the
opinions are a little divided here. Let's keep in mind
he's the first Yankee captain that they've had since they've

(01:03:51):
begun to provide that title. He gets some numbers anyways,
average shoo ninety two. He it's eleven fifty eight home runs,
one hundred and thirteen and heard behind seven oh I
flunky percenters at four ten. There's war four sixty were
wins a bubble. Don't ask me what that means. I'm
not going to do it. But let's keep it in eye.
We know that he died tragically and the only thing

(01:04:14):
I can say is when I think of Roberto Clementi,
I'm glad he got a three thousand hands before he
passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
So again I'll go to you. Let's say about Burman
months and Surt. What do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
So this is a little touching too, because his career
was starting to waver a little bit at the time
of his death. He was, you know, the years of catching.
I think we're starting to take a toll of him.
He was playing some first base, I believe, so I
think I don't think he would have put up any
additional numbers of significance after, you know, if he would

(01:04:48):
have lived. I think the window to put him in,
even on a special committee is come and gone. And
I think at this point he probably never will will
get in to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
I mean, he a great postseason player, you know, even
the Worlds.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
He only lost one series in his career, which was
a seventy six World Series, and he hit over five
hundred that series. So it wasn't even you know, no
fourth of his own. You know, if you had to
say yes or no, does he should he be in
the Hall of Fame? You know, out of the three
he's the toughest one. But I think I would still
go now bern Eric.

Speaker 9 (01:05:25):
I know, deep in the hearts of Yankee from Yankee
fans of a certain age, they want they want Thurman
Munson in the Hall of Fame. And my my uncle
would actually kill me if I if I when I
give my answer, uh, I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:05:36):
Gonna say no. I mean great player, don't get me wrong,
great player. Obviously.

Speaker 9 (01:05:41):
It was a big part of those two World series,
those big of that success during the during the mid
to late seventies. But the thing about it too is
he didn't play. He didn't play that he didn't really
play that long. And he also, you know, he all
he was also starting to kind of decline when he
when he eventually passed, Like the Yankees were already talking
about putting him at first base because isn't the wear

(01:06:03):
and terror being a catcher was just catching up to
him at that point, And had they moved from the
first base at that point in time, you know, it
would have shot his Hall of Fame chances anyway. But
you know, he you know, he had a great career,
but he just he just didn't play long enough. That's
just what it boils down to and you know, I
mean during during the seventies too. I think he also

(01:06:25):
was kind of, you know, unfortunately though he was kind
of battling guys like Johnny Bench and Carlton Fisk at
that point, particular, particularly Carlton Fisk. You know, he was
battling some great catchers at that time too, And the
fact that he didn't play, you know, he didn't play
long enough kind of hurts him.

Speaker 10 (01:06:42):
I don't think he gets in.

Speaker 9 (01:06:44):
I still think that deep in the heart, I still
think he's always going to be have a special place
in Yankee fans hearts. But you know, just looking just
how long he played and where he was starting to
be at when when eventually he did tragically pass, you know,
I'm gonna have to put no in there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Okay, George, even with the building, I'll say in the
chat room, de Lo's get over it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
The life goes on, period, and I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 11 (01:07:09):
Even though he had early eligibility on the Writers the
Hall of Fame voting, he never got more than fifteen
point five percent of the vote, far shy as we know,
of the seventy five percent required for all the same reasons,
not enough sustaining of his average and his hits and
his harbis. You know, he was starting to drop. Like

(01:07:33):
you said, Stuart, you saw that in his career. Sad
to say, great guy, great career, you know, but it's
it's a totally different situation than ROBERTA. Clemti terrible, terrible death.
Terrible death, no question about that. But we can't just
go on sentiments.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
We just can't.

Speaker 11 (01:07:53):
So I say no, right, I disagree with all of you.

Speaker 12 (01:07:59):
I mean, I love love the guy, love the man.
It's a tragic end, and you know, unfortunately we never
got to see what he could be.

Speaker 8 (01:08:07):
And Stewart makes a great point.

Speaker 12 (01:08:09):
You know, we see guys at the tail end of
their career that really fall off, we also see guys
who pick up. I mean, it's a fabulous thing to
watch Stuart's metz and Peter Alonso taking a whole other
step as a hitter this year when he's already been
a good hitter and his numbers are showing that and
he's getting more. Ma Sure, he may be paying for
the big contract, right so, you know, but at the

(01:08:32):
end of the day, it would have had to play
out for Thurman to be and have those numbers and unfortunately,
because of the tragic end, we'll never know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
All right, d Low, You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Not a lot of activity and chat, which is good
because that means the show goes a lot smoother, especially
with tomments, so we don't feel or death. Remember, But
what it is he didn't talk yourself a score that
We're not going to mention it tonight because your activity
in the chatman, which I don't particularly care for and
now be for another day. But what I will say this,
a lot of our numbers come after the fact, so
that's what I'm mainly interested on. The Sailing Cup finals

(01:09:05):
are what they are and there's a certain specified audience.
So yeah, really, seriously, really, guess what Delos you just
got called out in chat because common since one on
one doesn't exist with you on this particular night, stay
with hockey, no updates from our end watch it later.
You understand, the media business is about us going on
the air and do what we have to do. We
don't change our schedule, okay for anybody because people will

(01:09:29):
watch our shows afterwards as well, so we're not worried
about it at all, and that's a good thing that
should mention up on our future. Uh Delos should get
mentioned in our book Lessons from the Microphone Part two
because of comments such as its nature. But I wouldn't
waste my time doing it instead because it's not worth
it now as far as my thermin months in comments

(01:09:49):
are concerned, I'm a catcher, Okay, I've played the position stuff.
His memorabilia has made its way too. Cooper's down. I've
been there, I've taken pictures of it in the past.
Memorabilia made it there. What I elect to see him
in Hall of Fame? My heart says he belongs there
because the career got cut short. Why do you think
I mentioned Roberto Clemente in the first places? Another story

(01:10:12):
his career, but at least he was at the tail end.
Thurman Munson was starting to hit his stride a little bit.
So I'm going to say my heart says he should
be there, and I'm gonna leave it at that, because
this is probably one of the best what would have
been stories that I've ever seen about Thurman Munson. Keep
in mind, you know, handling a pitching staff is not

(01:10:34):
easy at all, and let alone won that Billy Martin.
Martin managed it because he emphasizes complete games. He really does.
So there's that fine line there that you have and
I totally understand. Say, you know what, Clerky, I'm kind
of with you on this one a little bit, but
I was Beckworth, Stewart, Eric and George are coming from.

(01:10:56):
But I played that position in his stuff. Whether he
would have been a first basement of later or not,
time will tell.

Speaker 14 (01:11:02):
We know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I think Joe Mauer and Justin Moreno were excellent players.
One of them ended up going over to first base,
so it's not uncommon for catchers become first base. And
so I'll tell you what, Clarky, I'm gonna agree with
you on Thurman. I'm gonna put him in anyways, even
though the numbers don't bear out all very good. Is
good for other ones, but I'm not going there. I

(01:11:23):
love Thurman Munson. I think you should have been there,
but I knew this was of the three will definitely
get a little bit more attention. So yeah, happy Pride month.
By the way, Okay, good way to save your butt,
de Los, But you made idiot of yourself tonight, Thank

(01:11:43):
you very much. Hopefully your neck that could be way
better than this one, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
But that said, I got it out of my system.
So it's time to bring act to Miami Marlin. All right, Eric,
go ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:11:54):
I was gonna say, though, Joe Mauer.

Speaker 9 (01:11:56):
Though, I mean, if you want to use the Joe
Mauer argument, he caught, I mean he caught for he
caught for a lot longer than than than than Thurman
than Thurman Munson did, and he also sustained offense at
a high level, at a high level for a long
period of time. I think, to be chirs Ball, Maer
was a better catcher than than than Thurman Munson because

(01:12:19):
he also was able to sustain offense for a for
a long period of time before eventually the injuries happened.

Speaker 10 (01:12:24):
They moved in the first base.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Yeah, but that's an excell point. But I'm gonna go
back to what I said earlier. If this is a
what would have been story, we know how good ma is.
That's why I did Cooper stut. I'm not debating on
whether he belongs there. We're talking about Thurman Munson, Eric,
and this guy had to play for Billy Martin. You know,
anybody that knows anything about Billy Martin will tell you
that this guy ranked pitching staffs to the ground, but

(01:12:47):
all he did was win everywhere. Billy Martin is a
guy that saved Oakland from moving the Denver many years ago,
and he kept baseball live in the Bay Area. That's
a few people realized Oakland was this close with oil
man Marvin Davis moving in there, but Billy kept in there.
Charlie Finley, who didn't like Billy's bring it back to
all the All they did was win. And there's a

(01:13:09):
bigger story behind Billy Martin. Yeah, of course we talk
about what Billy Martin and so Eric, your points are valid.
I'm just saying I think you belong there, so to
threat and that's why when you have five people on
there at three and two, this was a lightning rod.
This is great, which is why I'm glad you have.
This is a great debate when we know the ending

(01:13:30):
is the window of opportunity closing. It probably is, but
certainly worth our time. Look how much the time we've
drawn to this compared to the other two rights to
this one took. This was a tougher one than the
other two. The other two were easy. This one was
not all right, Katie. One more clip from the Miami
Marlon Jeric's rant. Then we'll call it a night. Keep
in mind, professor, and people will follow us tonight, myself

(01:13:51):
and Steve and raishall by some great topics. All right, Candy,
go ahead and we're gonna talk about the Marlin Suntimes
Day Sitter series. And then Eric will close the show
off with his Stewart guy here, this guy when he ran,
hoping he ran better than mister Kat. Go ahead, Candy,
and then everybody pump up six the series that we have.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
One more thing to do. This way, it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
C My only follow up question to what I had
before is let's talk about the Tampa Miami Sunshine Interstate Series.
I know this is important for the state as all
as the two organizations. How intrigued are you be able
to manage it and be able to watch this rivalry
become what it is, especially as they become even more competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Plus they have two big cities in the state.

Speaker 16 (01:14:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think certainly we uh yeah, I
mean for this for our fan base here, you know,
hopefully have the chance to you know, win a series
against a very good Tampa team.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
That would be great.

Speaker 16 (01:14:42):
I think for our group in there, it's more about
us knowing we're playing out quality opponent who's been very
successful for a number of years now to you know,
come out here and try to win baseball games. And
if we're able to be able to have our fan
base here in Miami be you know, proud of the
what is it the citrus and that would be a

(01:15:05):
cherry on top.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
What's your favorite citrus fruit?

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
By the way, orange.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Okay, there you have Stuart still a little we're almost
ready to wrap her up. Okay, we're here to talk
about the Citrus Series.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
You know, coming from New York, you know, I'm always
used to the Subway Series, so it's a it's a
little bit of a different thing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
And you know, the factor is the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
Marlins are not having a great year this year, so
I think it takes some of the juice out of it.
So I mean, I don't know, that's that's something I
followed all of that closely, so I you know, bare enough.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Eric.

Speaker 9 (01:15:53):
The problem is, you know, for the most part, you know,
you know, through throughout the history of the series, both
teams will never have never been relevant at the same
time for almost the entire for almost its entire existence.
So it's cool Instate, I guess but other than that,
it's not going to really it's not it's you know,
it's not really just to me, it's not just never
really the thing that everyone pays attention to. It's not

(01:16:17):
it's it's not it will never be like you know
what the Crossdown Series is in Chicago with the Cubs
and the Cubs in the White Sox, because that's always
gonna be relevant because because the history behind behind that,
because the history goes beyond baseball, and then it'll it
will certainly never touch touch the Subway Series in New
York in New York City, which the yank which the
Yankees took two out of three of by the way,
and they and so but yeah, I mean it's you know,

(01:16:40):
it's I guess it's good for the state of state
of Florida, especially kind of named it after the great
fruit that goes down there.

Speaker 10 (01:16:46):
But other than that, you know, the teams are just
never relevant.

Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
So it's never, never relevant at the same time, so
it's but it's never going to really take off like
other ones have because New York it'll all you know,
the Subway series wi always be relevant no matter no
matter what, because no matter how good or bad, the
Yankees and Mets are because it's New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
George.

Speaker 11 (01:17:06):
Yeah, it doesn't have the bazaze of the Yankees and Mets.
Even in a situation where if they were both playing good,
I just don't think the dynamics worked very well. Both
of both those teams are struggling at the gate and
they have been for years. So that's another factor that
plays in my mind that you know, it's kind of

(01:17:27):
a to me a little bit of a forced rivalry.
But you know, the baseball was start doing these rivalry weekends,
you know, and that is a natural rivalry. Tampa Bay
and Miami two teams the same state, you know, So
I I give I give folks credit, and you're too
scotted talking about it. But I don't think it's there yet.

(01:17:47):
It may come, but that's that's up in the air.
So that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
That's fine, funny, all right, go ahead, right.

Speaker 10 (01:17:56):
And same thing?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Okay, Yeah, I get his chair and I thought that
was the thumbs up. Okay, that shows you where my
vision is. Stuart, don't feel too bad. It is what
it is, my friend. All right, go ahead, clerky.

Speaker 8 (01:18:08):
For me, it's a Florida State League game, which is
exactly where it should be. It's High A ball. That's
how it feels.

Speaker 12 (01:18:14):
Literally, it's not the Grapefruit League, which is spring training.
It is the Florida State League where all the A
ball clubs High A ball clubs go down to the
spring training complex and have a summer league. It feels
like a summer league game with the talent that's out
there and the attendance.

Speaker 8 (01:18:28):
It's abysmal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
But listen, it's June ninth.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
It's going to be ninety five degrees. People that want
to go out.

Speaker 12 (01:18:33):
They got a lot of options in Florida and baseball.
Is it what they want to watch now? They want
to watch it in February and March and April maybe,
and then it gets too hot.

Speaker 8 (01:18:43):
They'll be back in the fall.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Fair enough, Okay, the only else paid it closed up topic.
Then we go to Eric Ramp. Then everybody, buddy can
let everyone know. How they get hold on is death
world Cheries score Marlins two raise nothing. They have two
World championships in Miami. They don't have any intent of
Bay Marlands won one of them by buying it and
the other one they did by developing it. And for

(01:19:05):
whatever that's worth, you ever heard of Miguel Cabrera. He
played with the Miami Marlins period. Came up Gal Cabrera
and the best player, the Hall of Fame player Wade Bobs.
Is that worth any I don't know. But you have
Joe Madden also in there, right, Kevin Cash, Jim Leland,
never heard of him?

Speaker 10 (01:19:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Interesting?

Speaker 10 (01:19:27):
Don Willis Beckett, Yeah, give me going, Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Nobody had anything to say until I ran up these names.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
Greg Dontrell last fall, Greg Greg Counsel was on that
ninety seven team, had that second.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Now everybody got an opinion in the topic. I'm done
got an opinion. How seen he listened. They got a
Florida State League repend, but the Marlin's got two championships
of Razor the bride meate. I think one or two times.
The ring may have better all the way around. But

(01:20:01):
don't tell that to the clubs who didn't get one
because of the Marlin. I'm not offending the organization, but
I'm not gonna tage yourself. I'm a fancy interest in
this organization as well. They've been good to the self
Ford and tribute it myself, so I'm surely gonna bring
him up and I am obligated to do it every
week as I continue to get excellent access from now
that Marlin has been good to us. What the reality

(01:20:21):
is is we talk about some interesting Marlins based on
the communication. Staff has been very kind to us throughout
our tenure here. It really had been good for us.
So but that's it just offend nobody had Oh, we
thought it was a meeting listener.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Nobody cares. All of a sudden, they bring up pep
N opinion. Oh my goodness, Hello, Yes, okay, Eric, go
to your rant.

Speaker 9 (01:20:44):
All right, So I want to talk about the Seattle
Mariners and Cal Rowley. The man's clearly having the best,
the best season a catcher can have, both off especially offensively.
I'm telling you this guy is legitimate, despite playing and
probably one of the poorest offensive parks in Major League Baseball,
where the batter's eye is so bad that it blinds

(01:21:06):
you that this guy is putting up numbers.

Speaker 10 (01:21:09):
He's about to shatter his previous career highs.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
You know he is.

Speaker 9 (01:21:13):
I'm telling you, he's having an incredible year and I
believe he can challenge Aaron Judge for the al MVP Award.

Speaker 10 (01:21:20):
Will he win it?

Speaker 9 (01:21:21):
I don't know, but I know he can challenge for it,
and I think it's great for baseball that you're having
a guy who's who's who's putting up the numbers. Is
especially at the catcher position, because let's be honest, there's
no there nobody. Nobody suffered, upside from possibly the pitch,
possibly pitchers, nobody suffers more on the field than catchers

(01:21:42):
having to take take balls off every every body part imaginable,
having to deal with the pitching staff because not all,
not everybody. All pitchers are aren't created equal. Some of
them throw, some of them can throw a few blowers
by you. The other guy were a little more finesse,
and another guy's you know, why not just get the
ground ball, pitch the contact, you know, having the game

(01:22:03):
plan for different hitters and stuff like that.

Speaker 10 (01:22:05):
You know, there's a lot, there's a lot that goes
goes into it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:07):
But the fact he's he's able to do that as
well as sustained offense, it's pretty incredible stuff. I don't
think we've seen an offensive catcher of this magnitude since
Joe Mauer. I mean, sure you could say Buster Posey,
but Buster Posey really wasn't health really wasn't healthy for
a lot of his career, which he's going to always
have that great like have that one great what if
career to an extent with with him even though you

(01:22:29):
know when he was healthy, he was he was one
of the games better backstops of the time. But man,
cow rawy man, it's it's exciting stuff to watch and
I'm really looking forward to seeing him play him play,
not this weekend, but the following weekend when I when
I see them see him at Wrigley Field.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
One guy got to mention Jack McKeon also live in
Merlin Skol Championship. With that said, we're going to go
around the horn and everybody know how they get ahold
of us. They have professor and people waiting on deck
with us. He has pun intended, okay sort of, everybody
know how they get a hold of you and your
networking group and everything you have out there. We'll go
around and we'll wrap it up tonight. Stuart, thanks for
being our special guest tonight. I don't know just a

(01:23:06):
little bit later you anticipated, but thankfully you got the
early show at the late one, so it will be
too bad for you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
And it is what it is. Hopefully Stuart Hack will
be interested in coming back, but now he.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Knows who the potential news debates will be. All right, Stuart,
lay it all out there, they get a hold you.

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Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
All right, well, turner Eric Katch just a little HYI.
Eric Katsch will be writing the board on my travel book.
I've talked about him. I'm just waiting to get on
the road, so I have some stuff for this guy
to write them out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Eric obviously got me involved with the International Baseball Writers'
Internet excuse the Internet Baseball Writers Association of America.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
My thanks to there.

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Will go ahead there and put it all out there
for you everybody. Now they get old of you. What
you're doing.

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Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Okay, George, you have a book, all right?

Speaker 11 (01:24:27):
Find me the South Florida Tribune. I write under the
contributors category. And also in Detroit a pig are called
the Detroit Monitor. At the end of my column there's
a book, a link to a book, I should say.
I wrote the book on Detroit sports broadcasters on the
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George kel l k Line all kinds of great reporters

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Follow me on Twitter at Sanji Sports ninety nine, reach
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at George Korn And also thankful for being on this show.
You guys did a great job. Enjoy it all right.

Speaker 10 (01:25:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Great job as well, George. Allot laughing. Not least we have.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Trent Clark also has a book, and then Candy em
we will take us out of here with the station break.

Speaker 12 (01:25:13):
Go ahead, Trent, Yeah, Trent Clark. You can find me
a Trent at Leadership do dot com. You can check
out my podcast Winners Find a Way on all the
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seven p seven am Pacific. And that is an award
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Winning Teams by Wiley Publishing. So excited to write the

(01:25:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Great suff and once again I actually met to the
Sports Philanthropy Network. Special shout out for Roy Kessel as
well as Caleb Branna. Good people up there as well.
All Right, we'll go ahead and Candy take us out
a station break.

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Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Thanks Scott, Candy did all my talking tonight. Everybody else
did a great job talking. And want to thank everybody
for joining us on this edition of One undern eighth
such as Baseball Talk is titled Biting into the Big
Apple Baseball and other There's a lot of people watching
other stuff tonight, but don't worry.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
We expect people to watch the show as time goes on.
A lot of our.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Audience, as I reiterated a little bit earlier, comes not
only the night, but later on after the fact that
we have all the topics that we discussed when it
comes to a Hall of Fame, the rich history of
New York. We talked about the New York giants of
the Brooklyn Dodgers. Yet I mean we only talked about
the current teams that are involved. I'm sure I'll expect
us to get a great turnout as time goes on.

(01:27:51):
These are the type of shows that you learn in
new media. As we wrap it up, is not what
you get initially, since you got long term as you're
able to watch these shows. Because keep in mind is Stuart, Trent,
George and Eric no we also network on LinkedIn as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
We also network on Facebook, some of us on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
So you know our audience is depending on just YouTube initially,
it's a wide range of things. As a lot of
people know that we're able to get it out there,
and I'll tell you if you have a lot of
those accounts are way ahead of the game because that's
how you make good friends and build relationships, and that's
why I'm so blessed to have this group tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I really am so. I met everybody somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
I met Stuart through Peter Eric on Twitter, George Will
I've known him forever, and Trent obviously on LinkedIn.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
And what do I have?

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
I have a die of my crew tonight with four
thoroughbreds of company with me tonight. So I want to
thank everybody for joining us tonight, and please put your comments.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
On our YouTube channel as you get around to watching it.
So we'll go back to our normal time next Monday
night at eight twenty pm Meter time. There will be
a little bit of a break as Katie and I
get ready to go overseas to Europe. I'll get into
more of that next week. So meanwhile, behalf of Stuart Hacked.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Thanks again for hanging with us Stewart tonight, Eric Katz,
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