The Perfect Game that Wasn't

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good evening everybody, and welcome to another edition of one and
eight Titches Baseball Talk. I hope everybody had a great
Memorial Day. I know we were not last week. Got
plenty to make up for tonight stand hopefully on a
little while. We'll talk about the who we have at
the moment. That's Eric kat Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Eric, good to be back.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
And we have Taylor Phillips night to have you back on.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Absolutely yeah, Frank.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Clark, mister ring himself. He's got him all right, that boy,
I've bloyed him proudly. And George Khorn, glad to have
you back on.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
George all right, yeah, thanks, Scott, good to be on.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
All right. We the topic of the show is the
perfect Game that wasn't it was an idea George gaming earlier.
We'll talk about it a little later in the broadcast.
We have a lot of other news items that want
to get to first. Stan Huffill beyond it that, so
this you know. In twenty twenty five, MLB's notable dates
included the Spring Breakout Game of March thirteenth to the sixteenth,
and they had the Tokyo Series March eighteenth to the nineteenth,

(01:18):
opening Day in March twenty seventh. We all know about
that long you all start a game with coming up
though July fifteenth on Fox, the b Way Classic in Bristol, Tennessee,
August second on Fox, and MLB's Little League Classic Under seventeenth.
With that said, this is pretty interesting, ain't I'll running
around the horse a little bit, Eric, which of these

(01:39):
is the most interesting one of the group.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'd say the one at Bristol, just because it's so great.
It's just great for baseball to kind of play in
a unique location. I know, I know, particularly college football
has got has been doing a lot of that for years,
and the college basketball has done that in the past,
especially when you know a few years years ago when
they played on bat on on on battleships. But it's

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but it's definitely a It's definitely gonna be fun. It's
a unique location, especially a track like Bristol, and I think,
I think hopefully it will grow, it will grow, and
baseball will continue to go to more unique locations.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Taylor, I would I would say the one in Bristol
as well as it's going to keep helping growing everything.
Like Eric mentioned, like more the more baseball the Merrier. Yeah,
you know, the more opportunities that uh little leagues, little

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leaguers get.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Or the.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
As they as they grow up and so on and
so forth.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Fair enough, What about you, Trent?

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yeah, I'm excited about both of those. Actually. Like the
new location concept. That's pretty cool. But I tell you, man,
I don't know there's much the League Worlds areas, you know,
like it's just uh, it's it's the future, right, It's
all the potential. I love. I love the history of it,
and I love uh, I love the pageantry, and I

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love the traditions.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
George.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna agree with Trent. I mean, the Motors
Speedway one is obviously very unique, first time ever. I
get that. But as far as a tradition that Baseball
has established, oh man, and you know that Yankees Tigers
game from a year ago on the Little League site,
Oh my god, that was that was pretty good baseball

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obviously for the whole country to say national broadcast. And uh,
Like I said, you know, I love racing too, but
I have to go with the uh with the Little
League Classic again, they share as a as a great,
great event.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
You know, amazingly enough. In most cases, I go a
Little League Classic. But I'm going to go on the
side of racing because of the fact that I've been
in the Bristol Motor Speedway before when I drove some
laughs you know they were and they weren't real big
lefter in the holidays, and that banking on that track
is unbelievable, So I can only imagine what it would
look like. And when you're playing at Bristol Motor Speedway,

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they're gonna have entertainment in the back of the track
and it's almost gonna remind me of a game play
at the La Collegseum. So that's when you look at
what that whole demographics look like. So normally i'd say
a little legue, but when you put Bristol into the equation,
I guess I have to lean towards Bristol. You know,
I want to bring Kandy Ale give me your opinion
on this one too, You want me to Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
I would say that I think, Oh I don't I
think Bristol.

Speaker 7 (04:44):
I think just because it's a different venue, it's not
known for baseball, so that's why I think it is
a little intrigue for me.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Fair enough, Okay, I'm just curious all right, onwards we go.
LA Dodgers are a team that, if you want, everybody
can talk about an America's team when it comes to
the world's team. Again to give the Dodgers kudos to
this one as they became the first MLB team to
sign a player from South Sudan, seventeen year old right
hand that fitcher Joseph Dang who both a ninety five

(05:16):
mile an hour fastball track. What are your thoughts about
the Dodgers going to dang Routh?

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Well, I mean, dang, that's pretty hard for a guy
out Africa. Man, Like, I think it's I think it's great. Uh,
you know again, I think we talked about this on
the show about two three weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
It's it's become imble.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
We're talking about it again, So go ahead give me
the danger.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Yeah no, but the but the melting pot of like
we keep seeing new countries represented and it's, uh, it's exciting.
It really is a global game and it's fun to see, Like,
what an opportunity for these kids to see someone from
their country entering over over to the world, you know,
into the greatest show in baseball right in the major
leagues and in the US and so it's a great opportunity.

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It's another great opportunity to grow the game. And this
is one of the continents that really hasn't seen a
lot of baseball, right, so this is going to be
super exciting to expand into Sudan and this guy will
become law if he hits the majors.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
George, Yeah, I think it's a great opportunity, like you
said before, to expand things around the world. We all
know the great Asia market and contributing to Major League Baseball.
Obviously a China typay Japan, South Korea, but in Africa

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you have a lot of kids that obviously follow some
of the sports, especially baseball, I think, and there's always
the opportunity. And you know the fact that the Dodgers,
and this isn't the first time the Dodgers have done it.
I'm not trying to just salute the Dodgers here, but
I think it is a real good gesture and I
think it is a and they wouldn't sign the kid
if they didn't think there was some potential in him.

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So the fact that they went after him six foot seven,
one hundred and eighty five on the right hander with
a ninety five miles pour passball. So they did their
homework obviously, and you know, it's just a great opportunity.
It's a great story. I look forward. Its got to
see in this young man try to try to make
it big in baseball.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
All right, Katie, go to the chat room. I like Joshua.
Door's a couple of comments. I think this is funny
and the type of shows that we have, it's okayd
with these two Gotti flapper you got it, my man. Okay,
hockey is huge in Africa. I'll tell you what. You
give me some research right his story and you'll make
it believable. But you know what, it certainly was worth
putting up for the sake of at least being able
to have a few laughs about it. But Joshua, then'll
be your next assignment here for tell force to give

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me a reason why hockey is huge in Africa, and
I'll be weren't happy to introduce it on as a
topic just because you brought it up. Thanks very much
for your comments and the chat room. Off to mister
Phillips seventies sixty six seventy six.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Every every young up and cover deserves an opportunity and
that man that you mentioned. That's Joseph Dang a ninety
five mile an hour fastball seventeen years old. Wow, man,
I yeah, he's gonna get his opportunity sometime in the

(08:13):
near future. The question is when.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
We'll find out TVD. What does the Baseball panel think
of who's gonna win the Cup? I don't know. I
think Trent Like's talking about we'll put that up in
Eric Cancel, have the last word about Dank. Go ahead,
try who do you think to win? Edmonton or Florida?

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I think that Oilers are going to come back with
redemption this year and take the Cup?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
What about you, George?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
I don't know. It's hard going against Florida right now,
but no question about econom McDavid is and his team
is hungry per Cup seven seven games. I'll go with
the oil List.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
What about you, Taylor.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm still gonna go with the Panthers. I'm thinking in
five games it's gonna be Dajoh Blewit's. The Panthers are
still too much the older as hungry as the Oilers are.
The Panthers that have proved I've already proven too much,
just like they have last year.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Eric, I gotta go with the probably Edmonton. I mean,
it's been a while since it's been a whilsince Canada.
Then Canada want to stand the cup. I know Connor
McDavid's hungary, and I'm sure that they're wanting to be
the one to bring it home for Canada. So I
gotta go with Edmonton.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know what, if Florida wins game winning Edmonton, I
give it to the Panthers. If they can't win any
games at Edmonton, then I definitely go with Edmonton. Oiler's
good job, Josh. I actually liked that. It's pretty interesting
to bring that up. So but that said, Erica, go
ahead and continue on, mister Dang, then we're gonna go
ahead and bring on your rant.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Thank you, Josh.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
You know, as far as I think it's great, you know,
more growth for the game, I know you'll you'll see
every so often that they'll find that you'll find somebody
in like a country not traditionally known for baseball. I
know the I know the Guardians did it with Yan
with Jan Gomes and he was a solid catcher for
for a little bit there. For both the Guardians and
the and the Cubs. I think it's great for great
for the game. He could, you know, he could very

(10:01):
easily become, you know, one of those one of those
great great finds who ends up becoming a star. Hopefully
the Dodgers can keep them healthy, because they're known for
putting a lot of pictures on the injured list.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I we'll go over Eric ever Rant, go ahead, man, we.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Need to be the Colera Rockies right now at nine
to fifty. You actually got to try and do that.
The last time this happened, none of us existed, and
it was way before the time where Scott was slamming
papers on people's desks, and it's just incredible. You actually
legitimately have to try and be this bad. This has

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this has to be the most systematic and organizational failure,
not just in not just in in baseball history, but
sports as a whole. I probably put it up there
with the sixteen Detroit Lions back in eight and probably
and probably could make the argument that even though the
Lions obviously at that time had had players like Calvin Johnson,

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Roy Williams were a fit there, that this is gradually
worse because there is nobody worth rooting for on that team.
This team is pathetic. This team is awful. They They
are literally the skinny kid at Jim class thinking he
could play varsity basketball in the Ale in the NL West.
It's bad for the game. I'm sick of teams going

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after just going after these infamous records, and it's just awful.
And there's nobody who deserves deserves us more than Rocky's
owner Dick Montfort, who seemingly has the real power over
his general managers. He fires nobody. Some of those people
have been there since since the team was founded. This

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is awful, the fact that he's loyal to such a
false despite his team not performing at this rate. Of course,
he's lucky to have cours Fields, Otherwise it would draw
it would attract less fans than either the Athletics or
the Rays.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Okay, well, all right, Brian Pittnett, Hi, guys, how you doing?
All right? This is for you, Joshua Dora, eat spaghetti
to night, whine out. We'll talk food. Already had my food,
so do matter have spaghetti? What do you have for dinner?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Night?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Darren? I haven't indi yet.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Okay, well he gave Joshua gave you a dinner idea. Alright,
all right now Joshua Joshua Door, I don't really talk
about alcohol in the show, but you know what, because
that question is kind of interesting. I was never a
beer slammer, to be honest with you. But when I'll
tell you when I was in my groove Long Island,
nice teams are pretty good. Yeah, catch it being his
own stuff, riled up, passionate. That's why he's under Bayfall show.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
That's our alcohol reference of the night. Joshua. I'm in
a good news because you're active and you're making a
whole lot of it tonight. Good stuff. As far as
the Dodgers in Sudan, more power to them. We'll stay
with the Dodgers thing. We'll go to a station of
breaking a little bit. So here you have it. So
the Dodger's history. Nineteen eighty one, they started six and
oh one to nineteen eighty one. World Series. Twenty twenty

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five they started to throw. Well they win the World
Series again. Well history repeat itself, mister cats.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I mean, no one has repeated since the Yankees did
it during the during the like the late nineties, heading
into the new into two into into two thousand, It's
very hard to do because you know, every single year,
like we say, like, we've had these great teams thinking
that they're the next dynasty, like the Cubs and the Astros,
and they never get it done. We thought the Braves

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would be that when they were going to their uh.
We thought the Braves would get over the hump and
eventually sparked the dynasty. And they were always constantly at
the door, but they never they never were able to
to get it done. I you know, it's it's gonna
depend on too if their pitchers can stay healthy, because
right now they just gotta have their their pitch. Their
pitching staff has a litany of injuries, and you know,

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every the Dodgers are a market. The Dodgers are a
marked team this year. I can guarantee you there's not
a team in the National League postseason picture this year
that wants to be the one to eliminate the Los
Angeles Dodgers. It's gonna be hard just because we haven't
had a repeat winner in over twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
By what Jacks o'dor says, I'm teaching you, well, man,
thanks a lot, and you don't like baseball supports show.
We'll take that very nice, all right, what are your
thoughts about the Dodgers six and zero? Can history repeat
itself that the six and oh team with them win
it all?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Taylor, Well, that, like Eric said, it's very hard to do.
Plus you got contenders like the Tigers, Mets, Cubs, and Yankees.
You're gonna have to go through those teams if you're
the Dodgers. And only time will tell. So it's it's fifty.
I'm leaning towards fifty to fifty on this one.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, fair enough, Trent.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Yeah, for me, I think, you know, it's a little
bit of a you know, hokey kind of deal, like
that's great that they did that in eighty one. I
was just checking real quick about the Phillies won in
eighty one, but it turns out they won an eighty.
So I did get a chance to see the Dodgers
this week saw him against my mighty Cleveland Guardians, and

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I saw the last game of that series, Tuesday's one
o'clock game. A fabulous comeback from the Guardians to take
the last game in that series, but otherwise pretty slanted series.
And you know, the one thing I do wonder about
the Dodgers is build a pitching hold up. It's going
to be a very close watch at the trade deadline

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to see what happens there. I feel like if they
don't get an arm or two, they won't have enough.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
George.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, when you look at just a follow up, good segue, Fred,
Thank you so much, sir So. Los Angeles Dodgers rank eleven,
I'm not kidding you. Eleven in earn run average in
the National League, allowing four point runs per game. And
again he made a good comment that pitching is just

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not the same for them, And there's no way now
that I would pencil them in as an automatic despite
that bit of trivia s six and zero. Right now,
they are really having a fight for their lives and
their division of good. That's good for baseball. So I
would also go with fifty to fifty chance, not the
of fence. But what the hell four point one sixteen era,

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They ain't going anywhere with that, let me tell you
right now. But a yeah, the injuries, pitching staff, things
are going to hopefully if they hope for better days.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
And well, it was an interesting thing, that's all I
want to put it in there. So six and oh
one thing to start six and oh baseball one hundred
and sixty two games versus any other sport. It's a
different animal, but it's certainly worth knowing anytime I get
some stats of historical significance or worth doing it have
long ways ago, but worth hearing five opinions on it,

(16:51):
all right, One thing I forgot to mention our last show.
The Minnesota Twins hadn't allowed to run in thirty three
straight and eight thirty three straight inning, a franchise record.
Teams had been eliminated for the NBA playoffs, the Vegas
Golden Knights, Golden State Warriors, Loston Celtics, Winnipeg Jets, and
Washington Capital. So, Josh, if you're still on here, there's
a little bit of a reference in hockey. But let's

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talk about the Minnesota Twins. This team started to get
hot a little bit. They were a little bit older earlier,
and you know, when you go thirty three straight endings
is not allowing you runs, people start taking notice of it.
So we'll lead off with you, Trent.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah, I mean for me, yeah, this is one of
those things that, Yeah, I can't believe thirty three innings.
I mean, when you think about that, it's over three
full games. You know the Mets, the Twins were not
looked at as a real powerhouse in the Central, and
all of a sudden, with pitching, everything changes, and all

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of a sudden they're in strong consideration. And it's funny
because you know, three four years ago, the Central is
a doormat in the American League, and now we got
the Twins coming on, the Tiger's coming on. You've got
good baseball coming out of the Central right now, and
I think it's gonna be a big difference. We're likely
to see a division leader and a wildcard come out

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of the Central, which excites me. And so I'll tell you, man,
I'm trying to think of how many organizations can top this.
I know it's a record for the Minnesota Twins in
their organization. I wonder how many of the thirty two
franchises have. What's their record for scoreless hittings, because I'll
bet that's top five.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Right George, Yeah, And again you look at the team
around average. Minnesota has got theirs down to three point
three to two, which trails only Texas, Kansas City, and
Detroit as far as the era goes. Let's not forget
a simple fact. They really choked Okay, Tiger's played like superstars.

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Remember last fall August into September, and the Twins are
the team that they beat out. They pushed aside to
make the first is found of the playoffs the Tigers,
that is, so they are still trying to put that
in the past, obviously and have a little revenge. And
the fact that they're able to do that thirty three,
oh my god, that is an amazing stat It really is.

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It shows you the depth and the quality Ain't got,
not only in the starters, but in the bullpen as well.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Taylor, the Twins have good pitching and although they've lost
two straight as of late, but I'd say it's still
a battle. You got to go through the Guardians and
the Tigers to get get to the Al Central. Remember,
the Twins had that long winning streak. I believe I'm

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the only guy on here to touch on that that
that winning streak at least ten at least ten wins
in a row. Holy cow. That that is the That
is the highlight of the twins comeback thus far this year.
But we'll see what happens down the road.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Eric, I mean the Twins, you know, early in the year,
they kind of start off to a rocky start. I
actually wrote about this saying, the Twins were, you know,
given their their just catastrophics. I cand half clash last year.
I thought that was lingering into into this season. But
you know, they went on that long winning streak and
now they find themselves kind of in the in the
post in the postseason picture. But Al Central is no joke,

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you get, you know, it's it's it's gonna be. It's
going to be a tough, tough grind. You got Detroit,
which best team in the American League right now, you
got you got Cleveland. Cleveland, man, they always have a chance,
you know, no matter who's met you know, no matter
who's in that dugout, especially Stephen vote now is proven
to be a great manager. They always got a fighting
chance every time out. You know you've got you know,

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don't you know, even though Kansas City has been a
bit sluggish, that team could pitch and but you know,
it's it's gonna be a dog fight in that division.
I wouldn't surprise me if multiple teams you know, get
out of that can get out of that division and
go to the go to the postseason. So you know
it's it's obviously impressive, you know, if Twins are surprisingly
I always knew they had a closer, you know, in Duran,

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but who could throw one hundred plus miles an hour.
But I wasn't expecting it from the rest of the team,
which you know, which on paper you would probably look
at as being you know, you know, well not bad,
kind of okay, not bad, not good, but you know,
still surprisingly, they're they're up there with the best.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, the only thing I'll say about this is Pablo
Lopez was acquired by the Twins and the train for
Lewis Riot and Marlin's actually got a good year out
of it with a rise, winning and actually batting title,
and he's doing pretty good things in San Diego. But
Pablo Lopez was a workforce, and I saw the Twins
over spring training. His team is a pretty interesting team
with Ronco Baldelli as their manager. I wouldn't put nothing

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past this team. I just would not do it. Well,
go to one other topic, go to a station break. Unfortunately,
Stan Huff won't make it tonight. He's busy taking care
of some other work related issues. We'll bring him back
at a later date. But we keep as we keep
a little long. Can't tell Miata signed with the Chicago Cubs,
so a minor league contract. The Tigers signed him to
a two year, twenty four million dollar deal. Didn't work

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out well in Motown, so let's talk about it. Eric
can't tell Mayada some talks about him now landing with
the Cubbies.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Good for him obviously in Detroit. You know, I was
actually at his at his final start last season when
he was against the when he was when he was
against the Twins, and the Twins absolutely just pummeled him,
and they Tigers eventually took him out of the took
him out of the rotation. You know, I mean, you
can never have enough arms in baseball. I mean, it's
a it's a it's like a you know, it's it's

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a commodity to have. I mean, there's no such thing
as too many arms. But you know, hopefully the hopefully
the Cubs can get get some use out of them,
because I know the Cubs could definitely use the starting
pitcher death, especially with Justin Steel going down early in
the season. So you know, we'll see what the Cubs do.
It's a kind of a it's a low rist kind
of a low rist high reward proposition.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
All right, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Sorry, I was gonna say, because he has been good before.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Okay, you know you talked about briefly on when they
talk about briefly again, Order everybody else and we'll go
to our station. K go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, here's my problem with Kna. Of course, they sign
him to the Cups signed him to a minor league contract,
as mentioned, But he all out again four two innings,
pitched just two four earned runs, four hits, one walk,
one hit by pitch in Iowa City, zero strikeouts. All

(23:42):
four runs were allowed in the first and in the
second inning. He uh, he pitched scoreless somehow. But really,
I mean, come on, you you got to prove more
than that. It's just one inning. Kna is arable, period.
He still he's still terrible even in the minor leagues,

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and that four and run performance in two innings pitched
proved it.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Okay, fair enough, Yeah, I mean for me, it's it's
you're trying to catch lighting in a bottle. You know,
he's he's clearly at one point showed the potential of
a twelve million dollar contract annual. So I mean, you know,
someone believes this guy's arm maybe that I assume he's
not hurt, and I assume that the Cubs are taking
a flyer on him, the only on a minor league deal.

(24:34):
It's all upside, So why wouldn't they sign a guy
like this? The one thing that concerns me in all
this is when you sign a guy like this who's
made money in a guaranteed contract, I'm not sure there's
motivation to be better. He could kill a clubhouse if
he comes in and he's just not interested in getting better,
happy to be somewhere to be go running around with

(24:56):
the boys and making trouble. And if that's the case,
and he's just hanging on and he could be a
real clubhouse cancer. I don't know this guy, and also like,
hopefully he's not that guy and he's making an earnest
opportunity of this and a return to the majors. Only
time will tell. I wouldn't write the guy off after

(25:16):
two innies Taylor just yet, But like, certainly they're looking
for something in this guy better than that.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
No, No, really, they seriously need to work on on
Kenda Maida and his potential of course, because he seriously
needs help period.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't write. I mean, I wouldn't
say for what I've heard, though, Maida isn't a bad
like I don't think. I wouldn't class put him in
the in the clubhouse cancer category because there are there
are worse people in this game than No.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
No, he's not a He's not a cancer to the
entire clubhouse. No, he just pitches terribly, that's all.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I mean, sometimes though, you get to a point in
your career where you just lose it. You know you're
no longer your skills are deteriorating, and it could be
the case with Katamata, you know, solid career at this point.
Unfortunately in Detroit it just didn't work out, and the
guy is probably just at the end of his rope
trying to trying to hang on, try and contribute, and
if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out well.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
In this game Motor City, confidence is king. If he
has lost his confidence, that is not a great spot
for any athlete, let alone a picture. So when confidence
leaves the body, it's usually it usually ends pretty soon
after that. Now, you and I have all seen athletes
return and get back to that confidence and find that

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somewhere else. So it's not that it doesn't happen. I
think I think the Cubs have made a great move
here trying to see if they that he may find
it over there, because it's costing them a little, very
little to find out.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Let's go to the chat room real quick. You've said
your piece on it, Taylor, Okay, I don't lose his
show through. Okay, I'll let here's something you want to mention.
All right, let's go to the hellos out here. Let's
go out right up the top. We got Mickey the
Lady all by, one of my favorite people out here. Jen.
So let's go to Mickey first, Candy, let's move along,
and then heirs theres Mickey regular high. Jennifer, you know

(27:12):
how I feel about you. You're great. Looking forward to
talking to you real soon and go baseball. Love the content, Jen,
you know you have a special place in my heart.
Here's a woman that is such a special place in
my heart, and I'll tell you what. She does a
lot of great things for Parkinson's disease and deals with
had trauma, and her and I met through a mutual friend,

(27:32):
and now we have done some shows together without a
doubt and Jennifer, to me, there aren't enough genuine people
out there like you. So thanks Jennifer being loyal to
me as well as their platform. And I look forward
to talking to you soon in one of these days,
I hope with our past ground, whether it's a book
or a ton or here or somehow I make the
track to Saint Louis. So God bless Jennifer, and thanks

(27:54):
again Mickey for coming in. And you guys rock while
you rock, Jennifer and I just want to make sure
that they got a good description about that real beautiful
woman jam out in Saint Louis who used to be
a Saint Louis Frans cheerleader. By the way, how do
you like that trip? And here I don't know what
it's about the blonde, but this one's.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
A time I might want how long?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
What years? What years?

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Was she? What? He?

Speaker 1 (28:16):
John? What you'rre a cheerleader for the Saint Louis Frans.
Put that in there if you don't mind.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Like, were you there for the greatest show on turf?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Years? Yeah? As a matter of fact, I think, of.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
Course, of course you got to be there for those years.
I mean, yeah, final couple of years.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh, there you go inaugural season two, super Bowl, Yes,
there you goes the super Bowl the way that Yeah,
George is actually jen at that super Bowl. By the way,
how do you like that?

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
The warrant. Yeah, you got the Warner you got the
Warner years.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
He got closer to you than I did current Warner.
Look at this, there's my I'll tell you what we missed.
You have a Jennifer Lee Cobb as he emerged as
the sixth person on the show here.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, she got it all with Marshall, Marshall Fall,
Orlando pay Stell, the whole team, you know, Ricky Pearl,
Isaac Bruce.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
All right, stop at Eric, come on, I didn't weigh
in yet, Scott, and obviously I look at it this way.
If me and I could not perform better under the
tutelage of Chris and the pitching the pitching coaches in Detroit,
they gave him every opportunity to succeed, every opportunity for
two years. Right now, it is the worst deal that

(29:26):
young Scott Harris is bad as as Kenyer as Detroit
Tiger's president. I'll just leave it with that.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
You know, well, almost about Canton Mayna for Chicago's and
everything to gain, nothing to loose situation for the Tigers.
It was a bad free agent signing. They know it,
I'm sure hopefully when they they landed some pretty good
hurlers during this offseason. It's just everybody knew that Kenton Mana.
If you could make it with Chris Betters, it's gonna
be hard to make it as much of anybody else.

(29:53):
But that said, we're gonna go to the station break Candy,
go ahead, here's Candy.

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Speaker 1 (31:13):
All right, we'll go ahead back to another Tiger's team.
I have some great stuff coming out in Miami with
the Marlins. Will get to that, and of course the
perfect game that wasn't We're going to get to that shortly. So,
but that said, we'll talk about Tyler. Riley Green is
the first playing MLB history with two homers in the
in the ninth ending of the game. A pretty interesting
feat how Riley Green was able to do it. All right,

(31:34):
we'll start off with you, George.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Well, yeah, Scott, that was a great feat by Riley Green,
and it is kind of a remarkable thing to think
of all the years in baseball is Drake obviously, you know,
and the kids. He's a he's a workhorse, he really is.
He wants to be in that lineup every day. I
heard AJ say the other day that, yay, some of
these guys they don't want to hear that from me

(31:58):
about their getting arrest today and that sort of thing.
And Riley was one of the one of the players
that he mentioned in that short, brief interview. But this
is a feat that is an accomplishment that I have
never heard before, and uh, kudos to him. Just a great,
great opportunity to get in the record books.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Riley, what about you try it?

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Well, you know, it's kind of a misnomer, right, Like
you know, usually nine things are very short, and usually
the first home run is usually a walk off if
it happens right, So you know, it's obviously the top
of the ninth, you know, scores running up, and uh,
you know, you could pinch hit for a guy. There's
all sorts of different things that could happen inside that
that it's not likely to get a second home run,
which proves you know, kind of the uh you know,

(32:40):
uniqueness of this record. And you know, quite quite frankly
in the history of baseball. Of like, however many years
we have recorded now of I think of one hundred
and thirty plus, it's kind of staggering that no one
had actually had two home runs in the ninth inning.
But so that's a that's a pretty uh unique record
and probably one that's gonna stand for a long time.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
It sounds like, Okay, Taylor, And that was in Denver
and Course Field against the Rockies, the Colorado Rockies. That
was a month ago. Hokey smokes. They scored, They scored.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
A lot of runs.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Riley Green with his two home runs was the highlight
of it. But even he had help from the rest
of the offense. Like Man eight, he got to take
advantage of the worst team in the team with the
worst record in baseball, right, and the Tigers offense let

(33:35):
alone what thanks in large part of Riley Green did
just that. And Riley Green made history. He also hit
that Little League home run, of course at America Park,
which is scored a single E nine. But Riley Green's
making history all over the place in Detroit twenty four
RBIs in May.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
He's just a machine. See Taylor, you know interesting what
you said, You're right, it happened a month ago. There's
a reason why Fate told us to wait, because Eric
Kantz had his Colorado Rockies ran earlier today, and now
he gives them another reason to rant about Riley Green
hitting that home run, and he gives them another reason
to talk about Colorado, Right, Eric, what are you talking about?
Riley meets Riley Green's feet?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Oh, he is. I mean, I mean, in the age
of resting play, resting players often, I mean I didn't think.
I didn't think we'd see we'd be able to see
something like that, because you know, generally, when the scores,
when the scorer is racked up and the game is won,
you know, you start to see guys coming out the
ball game and giving guys who would be on the
back end of the back end of the twenty six
man roster a chance to go out there and go

(34:39):
out there and play. But you know, good for Riley
Green Man. That guy, Roley Green is a stud I
mean he's a big part of He's a big part.
He's been a he's been a big part of the Tigers.
I mean, he's having a fantastic season. Arguably, he's arguably
you could probably put him in the All Star Game,
and you know, I you know this now. He also
had that Little League home run, which I which I
personally laugh that given it was hit against the it

(35:01):
was against the Reds, it was against the Boston Red Sox,
and you know, it's just, you know, it's just great
to see. I mean, you know, it's just it just
shows you that the Colorado Rockies will be forever their
twenty twenty five season will be forever ingrained in our
in our brains well, even even as even as we
get even as a lot of us, including myself get older.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Fair enough, you know, Riley Green's the future. And where
did he come from? The great state of Florida. So
the Tigers obviously a team that a great, good, good
young court. And I credit people maybe wonder about al
a Vila did a pretty good job drafting, even though
he went through some lean leaders here, and Riley Green
was one of those types of players. Okay, at the

(35:42):
top of the night, we lead off with it the
game that wasn't perfect on this state, Armando, Colorado lost
a perfect game because of Jim Choices Batch called George Icorn.
It's only fitting you start off with it in relying,
but what I'm saying, we could talk about that day.
But the second question is does everybody on this panel
take that they should? You know, Rob Manford went ahead

(36:04):
and reverse the decision to have beat Rosen company the
Elswelle for the Hall of Famous. So the second part, well,
everybody's waiting. Should they just go ahead and say let's
get history right and change it? But George, that's a
controversial and it will be good. And when Stuart hack
actually comes on a couple of these topics I'm going
to bring up to Stewart next week because they're that good.

(36:25):
When I wanted to Taylor and Huff at that point
to comment, will there will be a couple of repeat
topics that will emerge next week? George erst of all
one of your talks about dol Raga.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
It's amazing, you know, he he kept so cool, He
really did. He was very professional during the whole episode
of what happened. The smile on his face, kind of
exasperation smile when he when Jim Joyce made the wrong
call at first base. And then the fact that we
know that I'm not going to go through the whole story,
but we all know that the umpire went and apologized,

(36:59):
you know, to to Armando at the Tiger dugout after
the game, I'm sorry clubhouse and that whole thing about
the next day, and they shook hands. But the fact
of the matter is is that if you do that,
you're opening up Pandora's box. If the commissioner was going
to step in and do that right away, there could
be other instances were what about this play?

Speaker 5 (37:18):
What about that?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
What about when Harmon Kilby did that, or what about
when bay Ruth did that? I mean, you're not going
to go back and do that again. So I guess
the decision would have had have been by the commissioner immediate.
He didn't have that kind of gumption to do And
I don't blame him. I'm sorry about it. Everybody's sorry
about it. He should have been granted the perfect game.
But I think two classy guys there settled it for themselves.

(37:43):
But obviously the fans still hated, and I don't I
don't appreciate fans in any sport making calls and trying
to harass an umpire or an official after the game,
and there were some Tiger fans that did do that.
But the fact of matter is is it was a
wrong call period, Okay, fair enough?

Speaker 1 (38:02):
What do you think, Frent?

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah, man, I am totally in George's camp on this.
It's like, I mean, this is all it's unfortunate, right,
But I'll tell you that what class it was handled with.
I mean, Golla Raga really showed a maturity that I
don't think anybody really expected. And you know what, I
think the story gets better every year. There's a lot
of perfect games no one really ever talks about. Everybody

(38:26):
talks about this on June second, and you know, and
I think Jim Joyce is a pretty good umpire and
I think it was a class move on his part
going over and saying, listen, I boxed a call. They
did the press conference that next day. I think it's
actually more value to show everybody in these little kids
like we're not perfect people and perfect is a is

(38:48):
a thing we're all shooting for and it doesn't go
our way sometimes and the grace and the ability to
roll with it and forgiveness is a really important thing.
So I think there's a lot more positive attributes to
the whole story. Then then the fact that there's five
guys that threw a perfect game in their career, and
we don't talk about them every year. In fact, it
doesn't even come up. This one comes up every year.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Ye okay, what do you think, Taylor?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, I remember how it played out, and I want
to touch on a little a little bit more.

Speaker 8 (39:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
It was a ground ball towards second base. Actually mckel
cabre actually just sprinted out to get get that one
and then try to make the play to Gala Raga.
But I thought Cabrera should have let that second basement,
the second basement get the ground ball and just make
an easier play to Cabrera for the for the easy

(39:43):
for what could have been an easier out that way. None,
none of this controversy could have could have happened, all right,
But hey, everyone's human, like like y'all touched on.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
All right, Eric, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I I mean, a lot's been written about this over
the years, books have been published about it. It's it's
I mean, I even wrote something about it a little
while ago too, But there's no change in it. What
about milk Papas is near perfect game? Yeah, I mean
we're like that'll, I mean, there are a few strikes
that were right in there, and mil Papas obviously. No,
don't get me wrong, I know hitter is you know,

(40:20):
still it's it's a pretty good feat but it's not
a perfect game. But what about him, you know, the
umpire there was the empire Will, I forget his name
botched that game, and you know the fact that how
it was handled, though, is what we're still talking about,
because that could have been a really ugly scene at
Comerica Park that night. I mean I remember seeing it
where the cameras was all over the place, all over

(40:41):
the field, even in Dobrowski's box the time. But you know,
it's you just can't wasn't an unfortunate event, yes, wasn't
an out yet, wasn't it out? Yes? But we're even
I mean even, I mean we're still talking about it.
I mean it's it's it's almost like it was better
then than the Bean a perfect game. Besides, Amando Galla Raga,

(41:03):
throughout his career up to that point, was really wasn't
that great of a pitcher. He was just mediocre to
okay at best. But even had he thrown the perfect game,
we would have forgotten about it and he would have
been lost in baseball history. But the fact that his
name keeps coming up over and over again, it's actually
it's almost just as good as that he didn't he
didn't throw a perfect game, and that he has a

(41:25):
that he has a place in baseball history that he
would otherwise have been forgotten. But you know, Pete Rose
and Gala Raga are two different things. Rose is dead
and then you can't really enforce the ban anymore, and
you know gal Raga though it's just too old to do,
you can't. It's unfortunate. We got Yes, we have the
technology now and probably had it back then and didn't

(41:47):
use it. But it's unfortunate. But the fact that we're
still talking about it, it's still it's actually better than
the Perfect Game.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Yeah, I mean, and I love the point that Eric
brought up about how it was handled. Seems to be
really the story, right, because let's talk about a similar
situation that went different, the Bartman foul ball, where all
of a sudden, there's contact, total darkness enters that Chicago,
you know, stadium at Wrigley Field on a on a
night in October, that goes haywire. And this could have

(42:21):
easily done that, This could have easily became this dark
venture of just hatred and spewed all this stuff, and
they resolved it quickly and suppressed it and put it
to bed. And obviously the thirty for thirty shows that
really never got settled in Chicago very well. And so
I mean, what a what an example of a contrast
of a one eighty of two very unfortunate events shaking

(42:43):
out and how they how they ended very differently.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
All right, So this is where we're going to disagree
with everyone on this panel.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Ooh, well, then the voters setting.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Everybody on this panel number one. Okay. I do feel
that if Rob Manfrein is gonna make massive changes in MLB,
whether it's a ghost runner, whether it's pace of game
or whatever, every now and then if it's that, you
can change that call. Because what we all have to

(43:16):
understand is because of that play again, we all say, well,
we're talking about it so many years later. You're right,
but why are we talking about it so many years later?
Because this finally got MLB to wake up about implementing
the replace system, and it would have been turned over
ten and then the guy would have gotten this perfect game.
This is so darn obvious it should be overturned later,

(43:40):
I really believe because it helped them to advance technology.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I like the fact there's so many people nod in
their head. That's why this is such a good show,
because we all have contrasting opinions. And I'm not gonna
be the yes man and said, I'm making iss unanimous,
But I'm not because it's such a good topic. Like corn.
You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna even have
Stuart Hack talk about it and actually gone this edition,
we're gonna carry it over. He's the only one that'll
talk about it as well as the next topic come

(44:05):
out to bring. So I understand it comes up every year.
When I court put it in my box today I
was intrigued. And so it happens to falling, a day
for which we are broadcasting. What made it even sweetener
to be able to talk about. But I think it
should be overturned. I really did, And I think he
should get a perfect game. And think about the guys
that get the no hitters of the perfect games are
the ones you rarely hear about, my opinion. I mean

(44:29):
you see a lot of them. How many great players
get those, That's one thing. But here's a guy, in
my opinion, okay, that is known for all the wrong reasons.
And Jim Joyce, Yeah all right. You know, everybody go
out there and give you a little bit of loud.
Everybody has the old hanky to wipe offs the tears.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
He's as grace forever because of a botch doll that
he really is. I mean, if that isn't obvious, listen,
I have glasses. I know my eyes are bad. Come on, Jim, really, seriously,
really at least that it wasn't aimed at George Raycorn.
It was Jim joint I did right. Okay, Eric, go ahead,
let me have what you think you disagree with me.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Well, here's the thing, though, that situation that night at
Camerica Park in Detroit against against the then Cleveland Indians
were his hand was arguably more catastrophic than the two
thousand and three NLCS between the Chicago Cubs and the
floor and the then Florida Marlins. Maybe. Wow, we've got
a lot of ends in there down Bold we But

(45:27):
you know, Steve, that situation, Steve Bartman hasn't gone back
to Wrigleyfield since, and he wasn't even at the parade
when they won the World Series thirteen years later. It's
you know, the real villain of the of that story
was not Steve Bartman that night. The real villain of
the Cub story was Alex Gonzalez watching the double play
which ultimately which which is what ultimately screwed the Cubs

(45:50):
in that game. Bartman just got the flack though, because
there were five outs to go and Mark and the
other villain was Dusty Baker who kept Mark Pryor out
there too long at one hundred and thirty plus pitches.
Imagine seeing that today. It's that that situation has just
even with even with the Cubs winning the World Series,
some people still have not let that go. This situation

(46:14):
was about a pitcher who probably was on the highest
of highs at that point in his career because he
really was kind of just clinging on to a roster
spot at that point with them with the Tigers, because
he really hadn't established himself as a starter on any
team and would and wouldn't even after the Tigers. You know,
it's a beautiful story. We're still talking about it. He's

(46:37):
he's got a place in baseball that he otherwise wouldn't
have had how he thrown the perfect game, We we
odds are would forget about. We would forget about it
after a while. Even the most recent perfect game with
Domingo Herman, we don't. We don't talk about anymore. The
story just keeps on getting better as it ages. There's
no way you should be giving those away if they

(46:59):
were give that away to what they say, you know,
gave Armando gala Raga his perfect game? What does that
say to milk Pappas milk Papus should have had a
perfect game that that the umpire, even though he was
throwing it right right on the black of the play,
the umpire wasn't giving it to him. Even the umpire
this day regrets it. But the fact that it was
handled with such class by Gala Raga, at such class

(47:21):
by Jim Joyce, who actually, during that for a long
time was one of the better umpires in the league.
You know, it is just a story that keeps on
getting better. Why would you want to ruin that just
to have his name on the list of on the
on the holl Old list of perfect games. We're not
talking about those guys anymore, even though we've got several
great pitchers on there, like Noel, like like you know,

(47:45):
I think Randy Johnson as well as Mark Burley. We
don't talk about those games, even though Mark Burley is
is pretty is pretty iconic. Given given the Dwayne Weiss catch,
it's you know, this story is actually the nod. The
imperfect Game is a lot better than the perfect Game.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Well, you know what you really are to me unbelievable
when it comes to debating. But I'll tell you the
reason why. I say it's the right thing to do,
and it will end it there because we can do it,
show on it. But I love Arison's opinion on it.
I think everything here Harry says is on part. I
think it's just simply the right thing to do. Period.
That said, and by the way, for the record, the

(48:23):
Colorado Rockies did beat the Miami Maryland six to four tonight,
So the Rockies get one against the Marlins. And we'll
segue to the Marlins right now. Candy and I were
over covering the Marlins and the Giants series over the weekend,
and even though Justin Verlander didn't pitch for the Giants,

(48:43):
Clayton McCullough talked about Justin Verlander, So go ahead, run it,
Candy Clayton. I know that Justin Verlander is not pitching
in this series, but how much do you like what
he's done in his career as a whole? You know,
he's a future Hall of fam right now, always trying
to get three hundred wins. But what talk about his
career then? The fact that wouldn't it be a luxury

(49:06):
if he had a guy like him mentoring the younger pitchers.

Speaker 9 (49:10):
I think, you know, Justin has had a magnificent major
league career. I think you know anyone that that type
of longevity, you don't look into that length of a career,
and you know the type of success he's had, He's certainly,
as you mentioned, put together a Hall of Fame worthy resume.
And you know Justin has been doing at a very
high level for a long time on a lot of
winning teams.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
You know.

Speaker 9 (49:32):
So, yeah, Justin's had a you know, had a great,
great career.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
And wouldn't it be something if you could mentor younger
pictures because it looks like he's doing that right now
with the Giants. Even know he's inactive right now. You know,
any pitcher can draw this guy.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
I think you take anyone that has a track rate
of success that can still get major league hitters out.
Those kind of guys probably help a lot of a
lot of pitching staffs and teams.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
There you go from manager himself, Eric, what are your
thoughts about the perspective that mccollo gives on Justin Verlander?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I mean have I mean, obviously it's a Justin Berlander
is a Hall of Fame picture. It's amazing how he
was able to evolve his career from being a power
pitcher to a to a guy who actually to a
power picture, to a guy who can who can get
guys out with the off speed stuff. Going from a
power picture to a more to a to adding more

(50:26):
finesse to your game is not an easy thing to do.
Not everybody can do it. But you know, having a
guy like like Verlander in a clubhouse who's been through
it enough over the years and has had a tremendous
amount of success in two different in two different places,
you know, that's easy to draw from because pitchers can
pictures can learn from that. You know, Verlander has done it.

(50:46):
He's had a lot of success over the years. He's
he's been he's he's just seen about just about he's
been through the plenty of highs that a lot of
the highs and lows that this game has to offer,
and it's something and you know him knowing all the information. Man,
if I'm a young picture, I'm sitting by that guy
daily in the in the in the bullpen.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Love about you, Trent.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
He can Harry.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Transmuted too. Yeah, there he is muted.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Sorry about that muted? Yeah, I mean erlander. I'm uh.
You know, first of all, I'd love to love to
see his continued success, you know, as a as a guy,
I so much agree with you know, in the interview
the saying of you've got a veteran guy who's done it.
Maddox did the same thing. Had huge impact over and

(51:41):
with the Padres in the end of his career, even
though he's not the dominant powerhouse that he was as
a pitcher in his Cubs and Braves days, I think
the influence is significant, you know, you know these guys.
Age was funny. He's like, you got kids that are
like they have been born like you know, seventeen year old. Dang.
I mean, like this guy I think won a World

(52:02):
Series before this guy was born, you know, like it's
it's crazy when you see the longevity of a guys
like that, And I tell you, you know, longevity's wisdom, right.
These guys are engaged in it with the best in
the world. There's hyper learning going on all the time.
I mean, the guy's knowledge base is so incredible. You know.
Part of it is if you get a guy like

(52:23):
that at the end of their career, it's like having
another coach, an expensive one at that. But yeah, man,
I love this guy and you know, wish him all
the best, and I'm gonna try to catch him this
year sometime hopefully, and hope I'll catch him on the
bump one of these times this year before it's over.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
George, And you're already comment on him, right, is that correct?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Yeah, yeah, No, that was a good, good questioning, Scott.
I'm proud of you. That was very good. And I
know you know JV obviously has a great place in
Detroit sports histor. We all know that Tiger history, and
it was unfortunate to see this happen with his arm
and the injuries that he's wrecked up the last a
couple of years. The Giants, of course, some of you know,

(53:09):
came into town and unfortunately he wasn't even in in
the ballpark because he's uh, he's he's injured right now,
is what he was.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I saw him the dugout.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Okay, yeah, the injury factor. Uh, I guess nobody could
have predicted that. But you think about all of the games,
all the extra games this man has pitched in playoff
games and in the World Series and everything else regular season.
You know that that arm of Verlanders is just quite remarkable,

(53:39):
you know. And and yes, I agree, he does have
a lot to teach the young players.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
He does have a lot.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
He is worthy of that, and he does act like
another coach. I echoed those sentiments exactly, Kay Taylor.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, I remember Verlander's two no hitters against the Brewers
and the Blue Jays. Of course, Berland was such an
elite pitcher in his prime, and yes, he can teach
every young up and comer in the majors everything about pitching,

(54:13):
the yard of pitching as Jim the more awards of
Jim Price.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
And.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Justin Berlander is going to be a Hall of Famer
one day.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Well, I've said to the manager, so I'll leave it
at that. Just a little side note. Yesterday, Candy and
I went to lou Garrick's day over at Maryland's Park,
Low Default Park, and guess what happened? Marlin Sensation. You're
gonna hear more and more about him. His name is
Exavier Edwards goes five for five this guy, and I've

(54:48):
seen this guy hit the cycle. You don't have to
come out on him, just an fi. Xavier Edwards is
a stud. He steals bases, he gets on base, and
I'll tell you this kid, you watch out. And I'm
glad that they have Luke Garriant Day talk about als.
I think that's really good stuff. Trent, you know this
is one I think is your name written all over it.
During a Florida State League game this year, the single

(55:10):
age Juper hammer Heads for two hundred and sixty seven
pitches in their nine to any game. Is you twenty two?
Once in a nineteen to five loss to dun Eden
five pitchers through two hundred and sixty seven pitches and
one hundred and twenty one stripes out. If you're a
young brand, that's a lot, Trent. You've obviously worked in
that behind the scenes. What are your thoughts about what

(55:31):
took place.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
There no the same stats of my twelve years house
league team. I think last weekend. I mean, this is
this is amazing that these are professionals. I think back
to the ten win Colorado Rockies who just kind of
finally hit double digits. Please bring relegation into Major League Baseball.
Please bring some absolute standards, because how in the world

(55:57):
are we signing kids that throw two hundred and seven
pitches one hundred and twenty one strikes, meaning one hundred
and forty six balls. Like, how do you play defense
behind that? You don't because you've been standing for like
eight pitches in between any activity. It's an absolute cluster. Uh,

(56:17):
it's a this this is so embarrassing because this is
the line of literally like a twelve U game of
like you know, earning, like like learning game, like learn
to play game. This is not even like twelve ye
travel Baseball will run circles around these kids that actually
know the game and know the fundamentals. So like, I mean,

(56:39):
this is this is just staggering to me. When you
see something a professional game associated with twenty two walks,
it's embarrassing, It's an embarrassing thing. It's shocking.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, that's why I brought it up. It is bad,
all right, George.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Yeah, I act all the sentiments there expressed by trend.
I mean, yeah, these other type of situations that you know,
are really mind boggling when you hear about him. So
I really think that, I really think that. Uh I
I don't have any more to add about it at
this time, but I I it is. It is an
interesting story. But no, I don't. I don't want to

(57:18):
talk anymore about it. I'm all talked out on that.
I'll pass it on Scott.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Alic God.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I mean, we're not just the way they teach kids
these days. It's in players in general. The development is
just awful now. I mean, we're teaching catchers to catch
on one knee when all that can happen is a
wild pitch can go pass ball or wild pitch, whatever
you want to call it, goes and can easily go
behind the back stop and the runner can take take
a couple extra paces. We're not teaching pitchers how to

(57:48):
pitch anymore. We just want him to go out there
and chuck it und one hundred plus miles an hour
until his until his elbow falls off and he's and
he's getting under the knife for Tommy John surgery. You know,
I don't I wish that more pictures were like Ryan
Yarborough was the other night, where not like it's not
gonna wy you with his stuff. He's not gonna be

(58:08):
popping the He's not gonna be he's not gonna make
the glove pop pop like a cannon. But he's just
getting pitched. He's just getting guys out. I saw him
dice up the entire the other night. I saw him
dice up the entire top of the Dodgers lineup. With
the way he was pitching, it was almost like he
was the he was the living bugs buddy against the
gas house guerrillas. You know, it's you know, it's just

(58:31):
awful the way we're teaching kids now. I just think
it's I just think that we just, you know, we're
teaching kids too, you know, try and steal strikes when
all that's gonna lead to is a broken wrist because
you're gonna get caught on the fact swing. I think that,
you know, it's to me, it's just I think just
reform needs to happen with the waywards of teaching kids

(58:51):
at all levels, even even at the professional levels. Kids
need to learn how to pitch again. You know, we
need to like get their arms actually used to throwing
and not encouraging fourteen year old kids to be to
be chucking rocks at eighty nine miles an hour. And
we need to get away from the radar guns. I'd rather,
I'd rather that guy who throws at seventy miles an
hour gett June's weak contact and get guys out. Guys

(59:14):
are so used to seeing power pitchers that when they
see a guy like Ryan yard Broy he makes him
look incredibly stupid in the box. I know he did
that to a toddy last night.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
All right, we're gonna go to our finals top of
the night and this is the final shop. Ye, everybody
have their final grand shot. Kenny lofton Hall of Fame
two nine twenty four hundred and twenty eight hits rby
rather RBI seven hundred and eighty one. Well, you know,
let's try that again. Two nine twenty four to twenty
eight hits RBI you have. Let's see seven eighty one

(59:51):
home runs one hundred and thirty.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
We got it all Cleveland, Indians. We'll talk about the
guy you used to work for the Indians, and that's
Hugh Trent. When do you think about Kenny Hall of Fame,
Kenny Hall, I think you should get in, and I.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
Think you should get in. I think you should get in.
I think he was an impact player, leadoff guy, one
of the best in the game at the time. Uh
played for a lot of different teams and had impact.
You know, you know, right up to the very end
of his career, he was still making a big difference.
So you know, Loughton stood a little bit of a
test of time. Great athlete, sixth man on Arizona's Final

(01:00:25):
four team and national championship team in basketball. And for me,
this guy, you know, played the game right, came to
play every day, played hard center fielder. You know, probably
underrated on the defense, not a great arm, but the
guy could absolutely track stuff down, get it in quick.
So you know, part of that Hall of Fame. We're

(01:00:45):
always looking at the offensive numbers. I think some of
the intangibles are the fact, like this guy was an
absolute on base percentage guy, making a lot of things happen.
A lot of the intangibles on the basis and then
I don't think you can disregard his defense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
No question. So let me let me just clarify the
stats real quick before if urn over to George. So
he had two ninety nine average at twenty four and
twenty eight hits, Harvey, I who's seven eighty one home
runs one thirty and what the end is? Let't make
sure I got that fact cleared up, George. Obviously you've
seen a lot of them when you played against the Tigers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Yeah, Kenny, Yeah, he's a good ballplayer, very good ballplayer.
But again, this is the Hall of Fame, of Hall
of famers, not the guys that are close. I have
to leave him in the category of closeness. And the
only one of the main reasons is is because the
RBI count to me is too low seven eighty one.
I know that you don't have to be a three

(01:01:39):
thousand hit guy anymore to get in, and you don't
need a guy that obviously is going to be hitting
four hundred home runs though you know, those days I
understand are gone. But the fact of the matter is
is that Kenny Lofton was a very good player, but
I just don't see him being a Hall of Famer.
And I don't think that the special committees that they're

(01:02:00):
all set up for all this to review. Again, I
don't see his name mentioned enough to warrant more interest.
That being said, there's a lot of other ones, but
I'm not going to go into the other ones because
you just wanted to talk about Kenny loften He was
still a very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
I think his OBP is more valuable than his RBI.
Is a guy who hits leadoff your first at bat
in every game has no chance except for one run
to be driven in, which he did in a number
of a leadoff home runs, so he've got solo shots.
But I would see in this situation, I would see
his on base percentage much more valuable than RBIs fair enough,

(01:02:39):
like bull point to Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Kenny Lofton should definitely be in the Hall of Fame.
Of course. He was a speedy runner up, racked up
a lot of stolen bases, hit a lot of home runs.
He was he was a total machine. Of course. I
remember us talking about Kenny Lofton a couple a couple
of weeks ago. I think, uh, Kenny Lofton, he was.

(01:03:04):
It was like a hot run for those then Cleveland,
the Indians. Of course, there was no stopping him ever.
Kenny Lafton, it gets my Hall of Fame vote unanimously.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
All right, Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I mean problem with the Hall of Fame now is
they really look at home runs and RB I they
just they they value that a lot more than stolen bases.
I mean Kenny Lofton obviously, obviously it was just an
absolute menace on the base pass and you know it
was your was your classic leadoff hitter. But not enough
home runs, not enough RBI. I mean, still great year,
just probably one of the greatest leadoff hitters of all time.

(01:03:43):
But but it's not But I don't think it's enough
for to warrant Hall consideration. He's all very good to me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Okay, the way I see to Ricky Henderson for goodness sake,
Hendersons too well, he made the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Well, Ricky also can hit for power.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
All right, here's what I think about that. And then
we'll and then we'll go to our final station break
and everybody can go out there and talk about where
they get hold up. I only consider Lofton under the
following condition. Don manningly has to get in first. Don
Manningly needs to get in first. Don Manningly is long overdue.

(01:04:25):
He played on some bad Yankee teams. We all know
what he did for the thirteen year career until it
ended by injury. His body of work, to me is
really really good. And then maybe Lofton, like Erk says,
the Hall of very good. Those numbers are like Eric says,
you go out home runs on hours. Really what gets
you in? I don't know. I mean I realize the

(01:04:47):
on base percentage of Trent alluded to his important go
ahead trt.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
I think Catsy brings up a good point if we're
going to consider the Hall of Fame different roles for
different players, run scored, on base presentage, dolan bases, putouts.
I mean, these are kind of stats that we'd have
to look at of the Hall of Fame by position
as opposed to because because I agree with you on
Don Manningley as well, right, like Don Manningley should be
looked at that but like, oh, by the way, Don

(01:05:13):
Manningley a fabulous defensive first baseman. But but at that
time first baseman, we're supposed to hit forty home runs
a year, and he didn't do that. He just hit
three forty. I mean, like, like, come on, the guy
was the guy was an absolute production machine, and so
you know, listen, productivity matters, and we got to look
at the right stats. I think I think Eric Catsie

(01:05:34):
really nailed this, but I think we're looking at the
wrong stats.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I think also too with him. If if if you
want to get away with getting the Hall of Fame,
as like a classic lead operator, you got to hit three.
You gotta get three thousand hits, and Kenny Lofton didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
That's fair a lot more chances, a lot more chances.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
But the stats worth debating.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I think Kenny Lofton is a heck of a player.
We all know that he's a speak guy. The mental
guy was too much. Yeah, I saw the guy what
nineteen times a year. Thank god they went out there
and reduced these divisions. Go my god.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
But when you when you when you, when you talk
about the motor of the Cleveland Indians, he was the
absolute ignition man. Everything started with that guy. It was
like he and by the way, could control a stereo
in the clubhouse better than anybody, by the way, and
so like just another little sidebar on Kenny Lofton, but like,
you know, this guy, like this guy started the key,

(01:06:30):
the engine got Revin and it all started going. And
then you'd bring the big Tomy and the guys behind
him and Manny and man by the time the big
engines started roaring like you're down six to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I think too that he was. He also, you know,
with where he played, you know, especially especially during his
time in Cleveland, and i during his time in Cleveland,
you could probably argue that the guy got the guy
got over the guy got overlooked as well, including the
one season, the one season in Atlanta where that team
had hated out a lot of studs on that team
as well, you know, so you know, you could probably

(01:07:04):
argue that he was that he was, you know, overlooked,
because he also played with some just outstanding ballplayers for
their time for their time too, and sometimes you just
it just unfortunately, it just you just end up in
that era where you're just being overlooked. I mean, you
could probably say the same thing about Willie Randolph.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Well, great points all the way around. So I'm gonna
do something I normally don't do here. Now, I'm gonna
give you guys a chance to pick one topic that
you like the best tonight? How does that sound of
this group? And that says? Sorry, Eric, which one stood
out to you for you tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Gala Raga?

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Okay, what about you, Taylor?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I'm gonna go with Riley Green?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Okay, all right, what about you, Clarky.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
I always liked the Hall of Fame discussions, man, I
think they're great debates. And you know, and as much
as I love Kenny, you know, I really appreciate George's comments.
There's so many great ball players. He's he's right on
an edge, and the actual debate of him not being
a three thousand hit guy is legitimate, and so I
love these legitimate debates.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
All right, that might be a new segment we're going
to add, be getting every week what topic of everybody
liked at the end of the night. I like to
get feedback, George, what about you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Well, I gotta have to go with Galleraga and Jim
Joyce because I see you, man. Just as Trent explained earlier,
you know that the drama of it, but the personal
and the involvement of these two individuals and trying to
rectify something that was wrong and anyways, enough said. But yeah,

(01:08:41):
I'll go with the Galla Raga and Joyce thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
I'm going to differ from every one of you guys. Again,
not like we started off with the MLB notable dates.
So as we talked about Bristol Motor Speedway in the
Little League World Series, my goodness, that was pretty interesting there.
How you can compare a racetrack that holds one hundred
thousand plus if you've ember and again, I was there
visiting a friend out in that area, and the banking

(01:09:05):
on that track is unbelievable. I can only imagine the
shills are going to put on, but the entertainment and
the back end of that track with a baseball field
reminds you of the LA Coliseum. And we all know
about the Little League World Series and how that ends
in so pretty interesting to get things back that. That'll
be a new segment every week that I can run
to the panelists set up parting each other. What topic
did you enjoy the best? Because that gives me a

(01:09:25):
feel for what we end up putting there. We'll have
more Hall of Fame topics. Just to give you a
preview for next week's show, We're going to talk about
Joe Toy potential Hall of Fame as a player. And
we'll also talk about jazz chism. Who talks about baseball
being a white sport and I want to get onto it.
And and I felt we had a lot of other
things I want to address to night that were important.
We'll leave a little bit for Stuart Hack next week

(01:09:47):
and we'll go from there. So those are things that
we're going to hold over for next week. Meanwhile, I'm
glad we were able to get We're to get stand
now and there. We'll bring them back at a later date.
But Katie, give us one last station break self.

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Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Back to you, So everybody, I got everybody right? Is
that correct? Good stuff? Anything else you guys want to
say about what happened in baseball?

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
We have playboar next, one quick second, Tiger fans, This
guy Carpenter's for real. Three home runs he's hit tonight
in the Detroit walling of the White Sox. Right now,
home runs?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Okay, there you go, more Tiger talk from George Ikorn.
All right, very good. So we talk about carry Carpenter
and Jami r. Everards with good young players on the
rise here in Major League Baseball. We'll get into some
of those later, but I'm glad you brought that up
as well. So a great show tonight. Enjoined the camaraderie,
enjoyed the debate with everybody would have came to Armando

(01:14:21):
Galarrago assitts the icord from bringing up in the first place.
I knew that it was going to open up a debate,
but boy, it certainly got more involved. And that's what
we're here all about, is to get people thinking. We
don't always have to agree. Our goal is to make
your stimulus response. And that Gallerago topic, thanks to Icorn
bringing it up as a reminder, was definitely a bullseye
by mister ge So. But that's it on behalf of

(01:14:45):
Eric Katz, Taylor Phillips, George Icorn, and Trent Clark. My
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(01:15:29):
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