September 7, 2024 • 19 mins
Summary
In this conversation, Jaredith and Bryce discuss their impressions of their recent interview with Bro. Brian Kinsey. They are impressed with his communication skills and the practical advice he gives. They discuss the importance of being intentional in daily activities, such as journaling and reading the Bible. They also talk about the challenges of finding time and mental capacity for these activities. They emphasize the importance of renewing the mind and relieving stress through prayer and study. They reflect on the need to change the culture within churches to align with God's desires.
Takeaways
In this conversation, Jaredith and Bryce discuss their impressions of their recent interview with Bro. Brian Kinsey. They are impressed with his communication skills and the practical advice he gives. They discuss the importance of being intentional in daily activities, such as journaling and reading the Bible. They also talk about the challenges of finding time and mental capacity for these activities. They emphasize the importance of renewing the mind and relieving stress through prayer and study. They reflect on the need to change the culture within churches to align with God's desires.
Takeaways
- Impressed with Brother Kinsey's communication skills and practical advice
- Importance of being intentional in daily activities
- Challenges of finding time and mental capacity for spiritual practices
- Renewing the mind and relieving stress through prayer and study
- Need to change church culture to align with God's desires
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
After after the interview with brother Brother Kensey, we're talking about,
you know, how just how impressed we were with how
the interview went, and and just how impressed we were
with his who he is. I guess more than just
as a preacher, you know, as as a person a communicator,
because you do you do have those times when you
meet somebody and it's just like, you know, they were
(00:27):
a good preacher, and then turns out that's pretty much
the so uh, you know, the speaker personality or whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But yeah, honestly, I haven't heard much of his preaching.
I'll probably go back and listen to some, but I've
I've definitely heard him speak, and yeah, he is like
you said, he's a great communicator. He's clear, he's precise,
and the advice he gives, like you said, is it's
(00:57):
very actionable. We can do it. It's not hard. It's
not these lofty goals that we need to try to reach.
You know, you read a leadership book and there's these
goals or action plans that seem unattainable at times. Right,
maybe maybe I'm not in that kind of leadership position,
So how in the world do I do that? But
(01:19):
every single one of these, anyone could do his rule
of five. I mean, pray and read the Bible, journal right, right.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And it's so like it's so practical, right, and it's
so simple and we all know it actually right, but
without the framework to like to say this isn't what
we should do ABC, you know, it's yeah, I admit.
And I said that on the on the interview with him,
is like I get distracted way too easily. There's a
squirrel and I've forgotten it. But if I have five
(01:48):
things to check off every day, you know, it's not
just a checklist. I understand, you know, walk with God
can't just be a checklist. But but you do have
to plan to do the things or you won't do them.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, you need to be intentional for sure. And I
liked what he said at the end when we were
talking about journaling. I'm someone that is kind of dabbled
in journaling. I'm never I've never made a full on
commitment to it. I do it every once in a while.
I have notebooks where it's like a journaled, you know,
(02:21):
on one or two pages, and then the rest of
notebooks empty.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And you know, I have so many I have full
notebooks and scraps of paper and napkins of notes and
lyrics and things. But then I have my journals where
I've tried the journal. Most of mine are either totally
empty or they're, like you said, wonder pages.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I try. I had good intentions, but yeah, they just
for whatever reason. I don't know. Maybe I just don't
like talking about my day so much.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think it's hard sometimes just to find the time,
like right, you know, to sit down.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I mean, it's not hard.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
To find time necessarily, because you find time to do
other things that are you know, leisurely things, but but
it is hard to find the time where you're not exhausted,
too exhausted to do it physically, and you're not too
mentally exhausted to do it, because there's signs one. Physically, sure,
I could stay awake, but you know, I'm probably watching
YouTube or something because I don't have the mental.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Capacity left at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Maybe physically I'm still awake, but I checked out, and
I know maybe it's not good. I don't know, but
it's difficult for me sometimes to write sit down at night.
Maybe I should do it in the morning.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, morning journally would be an interesting experience. I mean,
are you reflecting on the day before or reflecting on
the day to come?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, and maybe both. And you know what I've tried.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
The last time I tried journaling, I really I really
liked what I was doing and what I did and
a lot of this stuff would be would be personal.
You know, it's not stuff that I would ever share necessarily,
at least not at least not specifics maybe names or things,
but it's it's I would go back to conversations I
had on text or messenger or WhatsApp and pictures on
(04:13):
my phone and look at dates and Aaron Air what
got me to do in this kind of And I
haven't been as consistent as I'd like, but it's so
cool to be able to go back to a date
and look at that date and look at the pictures
you took. And a lot of times these are with
you know, our our adopted family, or with some other
(04:33):
people that I're working with. And I'll see like a milestone,
like something cool, like I'll see likensy praying with somebody
at the altar and or or aiden, you know, volunteering
at a position at church or something you know, there's
these these things it's like, oh, I should write that down,
you know, or somebody get baptized, especially those key moments.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right, Yeah, I think it's I've heard brother ever would
speak to that where he just started writing writing things
down that happened. And you have a record, I suppose,
a physical record of things that you may not remember
in ten years or at least the specifics of and and.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So at this point, I still feel something and I
remember kind of what happened, and I remember how it
felt because it was still pretty recent. But yeah, in
ten years, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I do enjoy you know, like Facebook memories is
a is a thing and you know, oh, what did
I do on this day, you know, seven years ago?
And there it is, you know, And I.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Know it's kind of depressing too because I feel so
old every time they pop.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Up, right, I have one pop up recently as something
we did. There's been there's actually been several podcast moments
throughout our Facebook history. Pops up at my memories quite often.
But yeah, journaling it's something that I certainly want to do.
(06:06):
I've just never pulled the trigger at the end you know,
it took him two years to build that habit.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And I can't get too impatient with yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right, So I feel perhaps I'm in good company and
something to work towards. And yeah, for sure, but yeah, yeah,
I love the interview and and I believe you mentioned
it in in the interview, but just being challenged, and
(06:40):
I mean he's spoken to both of our lives, I believe,
and yeah, he's perhaps a little prophetic at times. And yeah,
that's like the first time we've ever encountered him, and
and he's obviously in Florida and we're up here in Indiana.
But ah, it was a it was probably one of
(07:00):
my favorite interviews that we've done, for sure. I mean
we've interviewed Brother Bernard, so.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Just don't tell anybody else that.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, No, it was great, and I you know, and
I don't think we've had We've never had a bad guess.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's for sure at all.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But but yeah, it's very I don't know, I don't
know how to say. I mean, it's practical but also
not not just practical, but also prophetic and challenging and
all those things. Yeah, And I think for me, for
me personally, it's hard for me to overstate like how
important it is at this point in my life, and
without going into too much detail, with just just a
(07:40):
lot of stress and so much stress from running a
business to the things that we deal with with, you know,
the kids and families that we're working with. Andy know,
you understand. It's it's a lot of stress, and I've
I need to more than ever, but I need that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I got to get stress controlling stresses. There's a lot
to that, but a lot of it I think I
do bring on myself because even with the added stress
of running a business and the added stress of dealing
with all these issues you know that we deal with
(08:27):
with which you know, there's been some pretty dramatic, you
know stuff lately. Even with all that, I feel like
if I handle my schedule better, if I planned better,
if I had those five things that were non negotiable
that I and I was more intentional about everything that's important,
(08:48):
then maybe I wouldn't be so overwhelmed about the other things.
I feel like a lot of overwhelmed could be avoided.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I agree. I think I really feel like when
it comes to stress and just you know, being overwhelmed
by the world and everything that's going on in your
personal world and in the world at large as well.
People get stressed about but I think that the like
(09:19):
taking the time. I mean this rule of five. I
mean it's not just for you know, evangelizing and building disciples,
but it's it's for enriching yourself and taking that time.
And he kind of alluded to the renewing of your
mind and you know, taking that time in prayer and
(09:45):
study of God's word, not just you know, to check
off a list or check off a box or whatever,
but for your own personal just sanity, I think, and I.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Checked make sure you don't miss it. But that's it's
But it's so much more than just checking off the
box you've got.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, you've got to I know. I like we're in
the middle of the Bible reading plan at church, and
you know I rushed through that often, you know. I
actually I enjoy listening to it. So I just listen
to it and it's like you know, two x or whatever,
(10:25):
so it's going through it quickly. I'm really good at
you know, I retain it. It's not like I'm.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Just well, I have to listen to it at two
X or I can't focus, like I get distracted to
these leave it's too slow.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
So you know, but to me, that's not what rule
one is, right, right, and you know, and it's it's
the taking the time. Like often i'll read through that
or listen to it rather but then in my own
personal study, I'll read one chapter of something that I
(11:01):
feel God is leading me into. Currently, in our men's
Bible study, we're going through Romans. So I'm having Romans
on my on my mind here lately, and so I
just focus in on that, and I don't you know,
the uh, I don't like make it a point to like,
(11:23):
oh I gotta spend five or six hours at this,
but you know, it's it's I just read the chapter
I study.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, and even if it's just a few verses. I mean,
so I think a lot of a good place for
people to start is the verse of the day, you know, Yeah,
and that's one verse and then you know you're going
to go into eventually you go into a year Bible plan.
That's great, but like you said, you're not getting as
much out of that probably as you are reading a
few verses or a chapter and giving it more more time.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But I think those are to me, kind of what
sparked this thought is to me, those are ways to
relieve stress and to renew my mind, even doing a
deep dive study, because I love to study the Bible,
even if I have to break out, you know, and
(12:17):
encyclopedia and the commentaries or whatever. I love digging in
and drawing truth out. And to me, that that is
renewing my mind, and it's a stress reliever, honestly. And
then obviously, obviously that time in prayer is key. I
think a lot of I think we get so hung
(12:38):
up on prayer. That's something I've been trying to teach
in Sunday School with the youth when I have opportunities
to teach, and because we make prayer this grandiose thing,
and oftentimes, you know, if we're not travailing, screaming, crying,
so nodding and you know, down in a place at
(13:01):
the altar and all that stuff is good. I'm not
saying it's bad, but it seems like if we're not
doing that, then somehow we're not really praying.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And look like it's like with your wife, you know,
I mean we're both married, and we're most of our
listeners are adults. So I mean, if you if you're
thinking about a relationship with your wife, it's not just
those moments where you're both crying and and maybe even
yelling at each other and then and then I'm sorry,
you know, I mean, like all the emotions are coming out.
You know, you have those moments, right, you have those
(13:32):
moments where you break down and you apologize for something
or or you're just overwhelmed and you support each other,
and all those things are great, but but it's a
marriage depends on not just not just that, but you've
got you've got data, daily conversation, you know, just like yeah,
everything from a peck on the cheek or a hug
(13:54):
or or a text or.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know, how it's your day.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's sexual intimately, see the whole nine yards, like it's
every little thing is important for relationship. If you don't have,
you're you're not always going to be in deep conversation
with your spouse. It's you know, it's you don't it's
not all and everything is a trauma dump, you know,
hopefully hopefully not. I mean, if every conversation is, then
(14:19):
it's gonna be heavy on on them.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So we treat God like that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's yeah, we are. We're with We're like that with God,
are we? I mean, it is all we're kind of
we make it more inward and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Either I'm dumping everything, I oh my gosh, it's so terrible,
I need help, or or what can you do for me?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Like, yeah, what can you do for me? But I
just I love just talking to God, like I'm talking
with you and to me. That's my most intimate times
with God is you know, it's not necessarily just crying out,
but it is just talking to him talking, you know,
talking about out my day, right. I mean, I guess
(15:02):
that's where I journal. I just do it spoken with
in prayer, but you know, and reflecting on my day.
But I don't know, I think we make a big
deal about it, maybe a little too much in the
sense where you know, I gotta pray X amount of time,
I gotta be a certain way when I pray. I
(15:23):
got to make sure it's you know, this, this and
this and intense.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Then I think that's true at a certain level of intensity,
you know.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, right, And then you know, if I don't do
it a certain day, there's a shame and this guilt
that comes with it, and then you know that snowballs
into maybe days, maybe weeks without praying, and I've seen
it happen so many times, and.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's probably part of the toxic culture he talked about,
you know, right right, that expectation like some in a
lot of churches, like if you don't run the aisles
every service you have church, or if the preacher doesn't
scream the entire time, then he didn't really preach. But
there's so much more depth to like presenting the Word
of God and worship and prayer. It's not always all,
(16:24):
you know, right dial to eleven, And I think that's
part of toxic probably toxic church culture.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, for sure, it's it's given me a lot to
think about. I honestly, you know, I believe I told him,
but it's just everything you said, just it's confirmed in
my spirit because it's stuff that I've been feeling for
a long time, and stuff that I feel like God
has been you know, slowly kind of revealing to me
throughout you know, the last five or six years. And
(16:55):
I agree, and you know, I know there's been this
cultural shift in our church recently, over in the last
couple of years, and it's almost like to hear somebody
in Florida. That's that the same things are happening to
you know, this, this is the God, This is the
culture that God wants the church to be. It be
(17:16):
it to be.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'm convinced. And I know you're a math guy, but sorry,
that that is that is the truth.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
This is what God wants.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and he's revealing it to to the to the
church globally, and it's I think it's awesome. I love
being a part of it. And you know that we're
not some rebel church. We're not trying. You know, we're
not going off the rails or something. But this is
(17:52):
this is what this is what God wants for for
not only America, but for the world.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And absolutely, and I love what he said that it's
not it's not our doctrine, it's not our it's not
our worship, it's not it's not our teaching or preaching.
It's it's it's that culture that needs changed because the
culture and a lot of times we equate I think
a lot of people. A lot of times churches that
don't change and don't grow in many cases it's because
(18:19):
they refuse to change the culture.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
They they equate the culture with.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The doctrine or whatever they think it's a part of it,
and really it's like it's like an American it's not
even an Apostolic church culture necessarily, it's like an American
Apostolic church culture. It's it's very strange things. So well,
thanks for staying after for the after party.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Hain't no problem. This is the first time we've ever
done commentary on it.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Is but I think I think it's good. I think
it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I'm I'm excited hopefully everyone else is as challenged as
we were.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think I think it'll be one of
our It's one of my top three probably episode, and
so I'm pretty sure everyone else as well. And I'm
looking forward to reading that new h new book's got
coming out and
After after the interview with brother Brother Kensey, we're talking about,
you know, how just how impressed we were with how
the interview went, and and just how impressed we were
with his who he is. I guess more than just
as a preacher, you know, as as a person a communicator,
because you do you do have those times when you
meet somebody and it's just like, you know, they were
(00:27):
a good preacher, and then turns out that's pretty much
the so uh, you know, the speaker personality or whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But yeah, honestly, I haven't heard much of his preaching.
I'll probably go back and listen to some, but I've
I've definitely heard him speak, and yeah, he is like
you said, he's a great communicator. He's clear, he's precise,
and the advice he gives, like you said, is it's
(00:57):
very actionable. We can do it. It's not hard. It's
not these lofty goals that we need to try to reach.
You know, you read a leadership book and there's these
goals or action plans that seem unattainable at times. Right,
maybe maybe I'm not in that kind of leadership position,
So how in the world do I do that? But
(01:19):
every single one of these, anyone could do his rule
of five. I mean, pray and read the Bible, journal right, right.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And it's so like it's so practical, right, and it's
so simple and we all know it actually right, but
without the framework to like to say this isn't what
we should do ABC, you know, it's yeah, I admit.
And I said that on the on the interview with him,
is like I get distracted way too easily. There's a
squirrel and I've forgotten it. But if I have five
(01:48):
things to check off every day, you know, it's not
just a checklist. I understand, you know, walk with God
can't just be a checklist. But but you do have
to plan to do the things or you won't do them.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, you need to be intentional for sure. And I
liked what he said at the end when we were
talking about journaling. I'm someone that is kind of dabbled
in journaling. I'm never I've never made a full on
commitment to it. I do it every once in a while.
I have notebooks where it's like a journaled, you know,
(02:21):
on one or two pages, and then the rest of
notebooks empty.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And you know, I have so many I have full
notebooks and scraps of paper and napkins of notes and
lyrics and things. But then I have my journals where
I've tried the journal. Most of mine are either totally
empty or they're, like you said, wonder pages.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I try. I had good intentions, but yeah, they just
for whatever reason. I don't know. Maybe I just don't
like talking about my day so much.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think it's hard sometimes just to find the time,
like right, you know, to sit down.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I mean, it's not hard.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
To find time necessarily, because you find time to do
other things that are you know, leisurely things, but but
it is hard to find the time where you're not exhausted,
too exhausted to do it physically, and you're not too
mentally exhausted to do it, because there's signs one. Physically, sure,
I could stay awake, but you know, I'm probably watching
YouTube or something because I don't have the mental.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Capacity left at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Maybe physically I'm still awake, but I checked out, and
I know maybe it's not good. I don't know, but
it's difficult for me sometimes to write sit down at night.
Maybe I should do it in the morning.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, morning journally would be an interesting experience. I mean,
are you reflecting on the day before or reflecting on
the day to come?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, and maybe both. And you know what I've tried.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
The last time I tried journaling, I really I really
liked what I was doing and what I did and
a lot of this stuff would be would be personal.
You know, it's not stuff that I would ever share necessarily,
at least not at least not specifics maybe names or things,
but it's it's I would go back to conversations I
had on text or messenger or WhatsApp and pictures on
(04:13):
my phone and look at dates and Aaron Air what
got me to do in this kind of And I
haven't been as consistent as I'd like, but it's so
cool to be able to go back to a date
and look at that date and look at the pictures
you took. And a lot of times these are with
you know, our our adopted family, or with some other
(04:33):
people that I're working with. And I'll see like a milestone,
like something cool, like I'll see likensy praying with somebody
at the altar and or or aiden, you know, volunteering
at a position at church or something you know, there's
these these things it's like, oh, I should write that down,
you know, or somebody get baptized, especially those key moments.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right, Yeah, I think it's I've heard brother ever would
speak to that where he just started writing writing things
down that happened. And you have a record, I suppose,
a physical record of things that you may not remember
in ten years or at least the specifics of and and.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So at this point, I still feel something and I
remember kind of what happened, and I remember how it
felt because it was still pretty recent. But yeah, in
ten years, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I do enjoy you know, like Facebook memories is
a is a thing and you know, oh, what did
I do on this day, you know, seven years ago?
And there it is, you know, And I.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Know it's kind of depressing too because I feel so
old every time they pop.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Up, right, I have one pop up recently as something
we did. There's been there's actually been several podcast moments
throughout our Facebook history. Pops up at my memories quite often.
But yeah, journaling it's something that I certainly want to do.
(06:06):
I've just never pulled the trigger at the end you know,
it took him two years to build that habit.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And I can't get too impatient with yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right, So I feel perhaps I'm in good company and
something to work towards. And yeah, for sure, but yeah, yeah,
I love the interview and and I believe you mentioned
it in in the interview, but just being challenged, and
(06:40):
I mean he's spoken to both of our lives, I believe,
and yeah, he's perhaps a little prophetic at times. And yeah,
that's like the first time we've ever encountered him, and
and he's obviously in Florida and we're up here in Indiana.
But ah, it was a it was probably one of
(07:00):
my favorite interviews that we've done, for sure. I mean
we've interviewed Brother Bernard, so.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Just don't tell anybody else that.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, No, it was great, and I you know, and
I don't think we've had We've never had a bad guess.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's for sure at all.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But but yeah, it's very I don't know, I don't
know how to say. I mean, it's practical but also
not not just practical, but also prophetic and challenging and
all those things. Yeah, And I think for me, for
me personally, it's hard for me to overstate like how
important it is at this point in my life, and
without going into too much detail, with just just a
(07:40):
lot of stress and so much stress from running a
business to the things that we deal with with, you know,
the kids and families that we're working with. Andy know,
you understand. It's it's a lot of stress, and I've
I need to more than ever, but I need that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I got to get stress controlling stresses. There's a lot
to that, but a lot of it I think I
do bring on myself because even with the added stress
of running a business and the added stress of dealing
with all these issues you know that we deal with
(08:27):
with which you know, there's been some pretty dramatic, you
know stuff lately. Even with all that, I feel like
if I handle my schedule better, if I planned better,
if I had those five things that were non negotiable
that I and I was more intentional about everything that's important,
(08:48):
then maybe I wouldn't be so overwhelmed about the other things.
I feel like a lot of overwhelmed could be avoided.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I agree. I think I really feel like when
it comes to stress and just you know, being overwhelmed
by the world and everything that's going on in your
personal world and in the world at large as well.
People get stressed about but I think that the like
(09:19):
taking the time. I mean this rule of five. I
mean it's not just for you know, evangelizing and building disciples,
but it's it's for enriching yourself and taking that time.
And he kind of alluded to the renewing of your
mind and you know, taking that time in prayer and
(09:45):
study of God's word, not just you know, to check
off a list or check off a box or whatever,
but for your own personal just sanity, I think, and I.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Checked make sure you don't miss it. But that's it's
But it's so much more than just checking off the
box you've got.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, you've got to I know. I like we're in
the middle of the Bible reading plan at church, and
you know I rushed through that often, you know. I
actually I enjoy listening to it. So I just listen
to it and it's like you know, two x or whatever,
(10:25):
so it's going through it quickly. I'm really good at
you know, I retain it. It's not like I'm.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Just well, I have to listen to it at two
X or I can't focus, like I get distracted to
these leave it's too slow.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
So you know, but to me, that's not what rule
one is, right, right, and you know, and it's it's
the taking the time. Like often i'll read through that
or listen to it rather but then in my own
personal study, I'll read one chapter of something that I
(11:01):
feel God is leading me into. Currently, in our men's
Bible study, we're going through Romans. So I'm having Romans
on my on my mind here lately, and so I
just focus in on that, and I don't you know,
the uh, I don't like make it a point to like,
(11:23):
oh I gotta spend five or six hours at this,
but you know, it's it's I just read the chapter
I study.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, and even if it's just a few verses. I mean,
so I think a lot of a good place for
people to start is the verse of the day, you know, Yeah,
and that's one verse and then you know you're going
to go into eventually you go into a year Bible plan.
That's great, but like you said, you're not getting as
much out of that probably as you are reading a
few verses or a chapter and giving it more more time.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But I think those are to me, kind of what
sparked this thought is to me, those are ways to
relieve stress and to renew my mind, even doing a
deep dive study, because I love to study the Bible,
even if I have to break out, you know, and
(12:17):
encyclopedia and the commentaries or whatever. I love digging in
and drawing truth out. And to me, that that is
renewing my mind, and it's a stress reliever, honestly. And
then obviously, obviously that time in prayer is key. I
think a lot of I think we get so hung
(12:38):
up on prayer. That's something I've been trying to teach
in Sunday School with the youth when I have opportunities
to teach, and because we make prayer this grandiose thing,
and oftentimes, you know, if we're not travailing, screaming, crying,
so nodding and you know, down in a place at
(13:01):
the altar and all that stuff is good. I'm not
saying it's bad, but it seems like if we're not
doing that, then somehow we're not really praying.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And look like it's like with your wife, you know,
I mean we're both married, and we're most of our
listeners are adults. So I mean, if you if you're
thinking about a relationship with your wife, it's not just
those moments where you're both crying and and maybe even
yelling at each other and then and then I'm sorry,
you know, I mean, like all the emotions are coming out.
You know, you have those moments, right, you have those
(13:32):
moments where you break down and you apologize for something
or or you're just overwhelmed and you support each other,
and all those things are great, but but it's a
marriage depends on not just not just that, but you've
got you've got data, daily conversation, you know, just like yeah,
everything from a peck on the cheek or a hug
(13:54):
or or a text or.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know, how it's your day.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's sexual intimately, see the whole nine yards, like it's
every little thing is important for relationship. If you don't have,
you're you're not always going to be in deep conversation
with your spouse. It's you know, it's you don't it's
not all and everything is a trauma dump, you know,
hopefully hopefully not. I mean, if every conversation is, then
(14:19):
it's gonna be heavy on on them.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So we treat God like that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's yeah, we are. We're with We're like that with God,
are we? I mean, it is all we're kind of
we make it more inward and it's.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Either I'm dumping everything, I oh my gosh, it's so terrible,
I need help, or or what can you do for me?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Like, yeah, what can you do for me? But I
just I love just talking to God, like I'm talking
with you and to me. That's my most intimate times
with God is you know, it's not necessarily just crying out,
but it is just talking to him talking, you know,
talking about out my day, right. I mean, I guess
(15:02):
that's where I journal. I just do it spoken with
in prayer, but you know, and reflecting on my day.
But I don't know, I think we make a big
deal about it, maybe a little too much in the
sense where you know, I gotta pray X amount of time,
I gotta be a certain way when I pray. I
(15:23):
got to make sure it's you know, this, this and
this and intense.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Then I think that's true at a certain level of intensity,
you know.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, right, And then you know, if I don't do
it a certain day, there's a shame and this guilt
that comes with it, and then you know that snowballs
into maybe days, maybe weeks without praying, and I've seen
it happen so many times, and.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's probably part of the toxic culture he talked about,
you know, right right, that expectation like some in a
lot of churches, like if you don't run the aisles
every service you have church, or if the preacher doesn't
scream the entire time, then he didn't really preach. But
there's so much more depth to like presenting the Word
of God and worship and prayer. It's not always all,
(16:24):
you know, right dial to eleven, And I think that's
part of toxic probably toxic church culture.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, for sure, it's it's given me a lot to
think about. I honestly, you know, I believe I told him,
but it's just everything you said, just it's confirmed in
my spirit because it's stuff that I've been feeling for
a long time, and stuff that I feel like God
has been you know, slowly kind of revealing to me
throughout you know, the last five or six years. And
(16:55):
I agree, and you know, I know there's been this
cultural shift in our church recently, over in the last
couple of years, and it's almost like to hear somebody
in Florida. That's that the same things are happening to
you know, this, this is the God, This is the
culture that God wants the church to be. It be
(17:16):
it to be.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'm convinced. And I know you're a math guy, but sorry,
that that is that is the truth.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
This is what God wants.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, and he's revealing it to to the to the
church globally, and it's I think it's awesome. I love
being a part of it. And you know that we're
not some rebel church. We're not trying. You know, we're
not going off the rails or something. But this is
(17:52):
this is what this is what God wants for for
not only America, but for the world.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And absolutely, and I love what he said that it's
not it's not our doctrine, it's not our it's not
our worship, it's not it's not our teaching or preaching.
It's it's it's that culture that needs changed because the
culture and a lot of times we equate I think
a lot of people. A lot of times churches that
don't change and don't grow in many cases it's because
(18:19):
they refuse to change the culture.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
They they equate the culture with.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The doctrine or whatever they think it's a part of it,
and really it's like it's like an American it's not
even an Apostolic church culture necessarily, it's like an American
Apostolic church culture. It's it's very strange things. So well,
thanks for staying after for the after party.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Hain't no problem. This is the first time we've ever
done commentary on it.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Is but I think I think it's good. I think
it's good.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I'm I'm excited hopefully everyone else is as challenged as
we were.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think I think it'll be one of
our It's one of my top three probably episode, and
so I'm pretty sure everyone else as well. And I'm
looking forward to reading that new h new book's got
coming out and
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