The AI Revolution: Part 2

Welcome back to "2 Pentecostals and a Microphone," where faith meets technology in part 2 of a thought-provoking exploration of the AI Revolution. In this gripping follow-up episode, we dive even deeper into the fascinating intersection of artificial intelligence and spirituality. Get ready to embark on a journey that takes you from the realms of theological contemplation to the mysteries of Revelation as we discuss "The AI Revolution: Part 2." In our previous conversation, we scratched the surface of how AI is reshaping our world and society. In this episode, we venture into the realm of spirituality, examining how AI is influencing and challenging religious perspectives. Join us as we delve into:

1. Rewriting the Sacred: Can AI really comprehend the essence of faith? We discuss the controversial subject of using AI to rewrite religious texts such as the Bible. How do we grapple with the ethical implications of such an endeavor? What does this mean for the authenticity and authority of sacred texts?

2. AI and Christian Ethics: As AI becomes more integrated into our lives, how do we align this technological progress with our moral compass? We explore the evolving landscape of Christian ethics in the face of AI-driven decisions, from medical ethics to autonomous vehicles. Is there a spiritual dimension to the guidance AI can provide?

3. Unveiling Revelation: One of the most intriguing discussions centers around the potential connections between the AI revolution and the prophetic visions of John in the Book of Revelation. Could the rapid advancements in AI be leading us toward the fulfillment of ancient prophecies? We delve into the parallels and ponder the significance of these correlations.

Prepare to be engaged, enlightened, and inspired as we venture into uncharted territories of faith, technology, and prophecy. Whether you're a devoted believer, a tech enthusiast, or simply curious about the future, "The AI Revolution: Part 2" promises to spark thought-provoking discussions that will challenge your perspectives and expand your horizons.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to two Pentecostals in aMicrophone. We are an Apostolic podcast that
is that is bringing you faith,theology, and culture, something that we
that mesh is so well together andso much that we needed this day and

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age. I'm so glad that youdecided to listen to us today. Today's
episode is it's pretty special. IfI say so myself, I think they're
all pretty special. But anyway,this episode, Jaredithan I continue our discussion
about AI. It's ever evolving,it's ever changing. It seems like the

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moment this episode probably comes out,there's going to be some new breakthrough in
technology as as it goes, andso you know, this might be just
a I don't know, a neverending, never ending podcast. Yeah maybe,

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I don't know. We've got tostop it at some point. But
this is part two of our AIdive. If you will, I hope
you enjoyed this episode and thank youfor listening today. It seems like it's

(01:27):
it seems like it's been a whilesince we've been on a podcast together.
A couple of times. Yeah,we had issues with the platform. It
wasn't it wasn't their fault. We'reusing the Riverside dot FM, and I
don't know if anyone can tell thedifference, but I know probably us having
these mics, these separate mics,probably helps a lot versus how we were

(01:49):
doing it before. But yeah,the platform is great. Yeah, I
feel like I'm getting better at theediting process anyway. And I kind of
streamlined that the last few episodes,and I have a tussle that helps based
off of hopefully hopefully they were soundingpretty good. I don't know, I

(02:13):
don't know. Okay, So Iwas listening to a recent episode. Hang
on, let me think about this. I was listening to an episode.
I don't know which one it was. I think I think that was the
first time. I think there wassomething maybe when maybe it was during an
intro or something, I was thinkingthe music there was like, okay,
maybe there was too much volume volumeon the music. Maybe it's my headphones.

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I don't know. There's a critiqueand I just just just to call
you out here on the air.Sure, okay, right, maybe that
was so picky, right, No, I don't I don't know it was.
Yeah, No, it's fine,I do The intro is probably the

(03:01):
where the volume of the music ismore critical. So I'm trying so in
the past, you know, justkind of talking about this we you know,
I don't know. I'm I'm onthe fence on whether we have an
intro music, like like we're alegitimate show, if you will, versus

(03:23):
just having like a little bit ofbackground music as I'm introducing the episode and
just go right to the episode.I think we we the old music we
had it like an intro music,So I give the introduction with a little
bit of music in the background,and then well there's like a break and

(03:44):
intro music and then go into theepisode. So I think on Brother and
Irons, I tried just doing thebackground music then and go right to the
back and see which which is whatI did on Well, you know,
since we're just gearing this all outin public here, we can just go

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ask our listeners if they have apreference. That maybe one way we get
interaction actually because people listen and usuallythey only really interact if they if they
strongly disagree with us. So Iwill say this music, we've we've changed

(04:29):
our music three times, you know. But the first the first two generations
I suppose were it was all electronicthrough garage band I just put put together
loops and you know, did somesampling and sequencing on the drums and stuff,

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and that's how I created it.Well, this time, I actually
recorded some instruments myself. Well,I mean musicians. So you're gonna we're
gonna do that, you know.Yeah, well I thought I thought i'd
try it, just see what happensand whether you like her or not,
I don't know. Well we canchange it, no, I think I

(05:14):
think we need some music. Definitelyneed some music. I was thinking though,
like I don't know if we've evertried this or not, but I
was thinking about, like, okay, so our options. So we've done
it. We've done it with We'vedone it with bumper music basically, right,
like there's a little background music inthe intro and then bumper music and
then end of the episode. Andnow it's kind of the little background music

(05:35):
in the intro and then fade andthen go into the episode. Or we
could also I know we usually dointros, but we could also do like
a cold open. I don't knowif we've tried that before. We take
like a little okay, actually wehave where I've taken like snippets of the
episode right, then bumper episode andthen so you know there's those are options,

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So tell us what you think,I think or unless you have another
idea, something crazy. I don'tknow. Yeah, maybe we did something
like right, yeah, we're opento open the suggestions. Are we gonna
I mean, we might be true, but I mean we could just do
a different song every week, dolike a bluegrass version, a little classical

(06:21):
version, the death metal version wehave we have, we already have we
already struggle with getting episodes out everyweek more every year, but you know,
every every episode, right, soso far, that's what we've kind

(06:43):
of every season. You know,as we've as we've changed, we're in
a weird season. We're I mean, I guess our Facebook still says season
three. But you know we're inthis kind of theme. Now. We're
off theme a little bit because weinterviewed, you know, we've done an
author and view and then we're doingthis one's a little off theme. But
I think we are not quite donewith our Evangelism and Discipleship arc, if

(07:08):
you will, so, right,yeah, Phil, we've played quite a
bit with it and still have it, so that'll when that's done. I
think we'll continue to do these kindof one off episodes like like this one,
and some author interviews and different things. But when that arc is done
finally, then what I don't know, maybe season four will be who knows,

(07:32):
well, I mean, since we'reopening up to suggestions, you know,
oh, there we go. Whatdo you want us to talk about?
That might be that's scary, thatmight be a little scary. Yeah,
we don't necessarily take requests, butwe will consider them, will Yeah,
we will at least glance at it. And you know the dangers of

(07:55):
that from being a musician, rightyeah, yeah, it's always that one
guy right here we are anyway,So speaking of music, maybe that's where
we should should jump off on thisone. So I know, we're gonna

(08:15):
talk about some other related things,like we interviewed in our last episode,
we interviewed brother Jordan Fry from NorthernIndiana, drawing a Blank on the town
Anderson. Anderson, author of abook, and that that relates to this
topic that we're gonna talk about theday. We'll get into that later.

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But but music, Okay, sothe are creating podcast music, you know,
an easy way to do that wouldprobably be with a I right,
yeah, absolutely. Now, Iwill say it. I absolutely cringe at
the thought. And I know Iknew you would. That's why I said

(08:58):
that it certainly would be easier.Yes, but how dare you? I
know, I'm a bit old school. No, No, I understand,
I do understand. I do understand. I feel like there's a play And
we may have talked about this whenwe touched on AI before, So we're
revisiting kind of our little AI discussionwhich came out since then. Yes,

(09:18):
yeah, I don't remember when itactually dropped, but we recorded it before
chat GBT became like world changing bombthat dropped, and I feel like we
recorded maybe right before that, andit came out right after that, so
it's kind of in a weird place. But since then, we like a
week later chat GB Yeah, yeah, to the stratosphere, so a lot

(09:43):
of a lot has changed. Itis. It is mind blowing. But
the music I get. I mean, I feel like there's room for like
workout playlists you know that are generated, sure or whatever? Yeah, certain
things maybe M why not right?If you like to study to M that's

(10:05):
true, that's true. It's funto create, but if you just want
something to if I just wanted somethingto study, like noise to study too.
I want something loud and crazy andjust and it could be AI generated
and I probably wouldn't notice because it'sjust kind of noise so that I can
focus. Yeah, well, yeahI can. I can see how you

(10:28):
would feel that way. Oh oh, what is that supposed to me?
Let's unpack that. Right. Well, I'm a mediator, so I don't
know. I don't you know it, Okay, it took me like years

(10:50):
and years to get on the digitalguitar scene. Right. Well, you
were an acoustic guy, right,I mean I played a lot of acoustics,
a lot of acoustic stuff, andI mean I honestly I didn't even
have pedals until the last probably fiveyears. Wow, I may have one

(11:11):
or two. And I was strictlyanalog everything like I wanted, even recording,
like I had a real the realI mean, I wanted Jack White
over here, the real thing.And I don't know, to me,
putting that work into it, thatthe process to me was was worth it,

(11:37):
right, And that's what I enjoyedthe most. And coming up with,
you know, my own stuff andwithout any help of any of you
know, a machine or artificial intelligenceor you know, even another person,
you know, just coming up withon my own was. I just enjoyed

(11:58):
that a lot, and I stilldo in a lot of ways. But
there have been a ton a tonof advancements in the you know, in
DSP and digital and as far asyou know, AMT modeling and oh yeah,

(12:20):
I mean it's it's come so far. And I remember when it was
the Line six amp or whatever,all the built in effs and then they
just you know it, sure itdid things, not very well. It
was it's convenient. Yeah, youhave it all a one stop shop for
everything. I think, you know. The first digital anything that I bought

(12:46):
was a Vox Valvetronics amp and itwas one of those hybrid amps that was
I had like a tube preamp right, and then it was solid the state
everything else after that, and soit kind of mixed both worlds a little
bit. But it could do everythingyou wanted it to do. It had

(13:07):
different ant models on it and differenteffects, and it was cool to practice
with, but it wasn't necessarily whatI would use live right or even recording.
I just I don't know. Ittook me a long time to jump
over a jump ship. I guess. And now I'm you know, completely

(13:30):
digital when I play right, it'sso much more convenient, really it is.
Yeah, I mean I'm not runningthe amp at all, and it's
plugging direct with an ant modeler,and right it sounds incredible and you don't
have to lug around a two hundredpound guitar amp or whatever things anyway,
Yeah, that's the worst. Sobut you have your your pedal board of

(13:54):
course, but right, it's printprimarily stationary. But yeah, I mean
it's certainly lighter than you know,my eighty pound vos Ac thirty. Yeah,
and yeah, I don't know,so I know that's quite a bit
different than AI. But I feellike, you know, just making that

(14:22):
leap was was even a stretch forme. I've embraced it. I think
the uh, the tonality that Iget, the tone that I want or
what I'm seeking for, you know, I'm closer to I suppose I'm still

(14:46):
not quite there. I think Iprobably never will be there. I don't
think it's our players are ever there. No, that's the there's a deal.
It's I don't know, it's though, Yeah, it is, I
get rug addict. Do you chasethat high and chase it and chase it.
You never gets perfect eye and thenyou develop gear acquisition syndrome. Yes,

(15:09):
I've heard yeah, or gas ifyou're if you're for sure, but
it happens. No, I yeah, I'm always always searching for that holy
grail of tone. But you know, the options are unlimited. We literally

(15:33):
unlimited now, yeah, and it'sjust gonna be better and better and better.
I think now you know, Ican literally have every amp I've ever
wanted in just in tiny little box. It's amazing just seeing technology like move
forward so fast, right, andI don't know, it's just in different

(15:58):
in different ways, but obviously AISjust sped it up so much. I
think. I think it's a jump, Like I didn't even imagine that we
could have jumped that quick. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's like I
think you said it, or mayhave said it in the episode Brother Jordan

(16:21):
Fry, but like it's it's likethe Industrial Revolution times a thousand. Yeah,
it really is. Yeah. Ihave saved so much time using AI,
and I know MIX obviously mixed feelingsabout using for music and art and
things like that, but I havesaved so much time recently and I'm using
AI tool like if I if Iuse a platform like like Element or as

(16:44):
a website builder that we use alot of times with WordPress, and I'll
absolutely use that. AI features cameout. I bought them day one,
and I'm just like using them.And it's not perfect. There's times when
I've there's AI coding, there's AIso it'll do some like CSS custom CSS
in which is incredible. Yeah,so it doesn't always work, I had,

(17:08):
But the cool thing about it isyou can tell it that it didn't
work and what happened, and thenit will try again and it can fix
it. And if you already know, if you know CSS, it's even
if it doesn't work, it's stilla lot faster when it generates that whole
page of code for you just edit. Can you run it through a debugger
and yeah, okay, yeah,yep. It's kind of got a built

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in debugger because it'll reread its codeand try to fix it. But also
you know if you can and rightthere in the panel, in the panel
where it loads the additional CSS,you can see like which line has an
error? And if you know youknow already know how to do CSS,
you say, the ton of timewriting it now you can just go in
and fix it, click it.And it's even if you have to change
things, it saves so much time. So yeah, pretty often there are

(17:53):
certainly benefits. And I think it'sgonna be evolutionary to the creative world because
I have to agree with Jordan againbecause I think you said it in that
last episode. But it's it's thecreative people that are going to really know

(18:18):
how to use this and what todo with it. Yeah, And that's
the true that's the true thing.So I think a lot of people think
that it's going to take a placeof creative people. I don't think it's
gonna happen. No, it's gonnabe. It's be, Yeah, I
mean I I I enjoy creating,like I mean, we're talking about music,

(18:42):
and I like to do no,like to be everything on it.
If you will play every instrument ifI could, and but like sometimes it's
just not practical. You know,I'm not the greatest drummer in the world.
I can play. I can laydown and beat and play play something

(19:03):
fairly simple. But if I'm lookingfor something you know, very specific that
I just I had hands and feedwon't do you know, right, why
not ai and and if you knowwhat you want, that's the thing too.
There's there's like this skill gap,like I'm I'm definitely in that camp

(19:25):
because I'm not I'm not a drummer. I would struggle to lay down even
a beat, but I can hearwhat I want. Yeah, So if
I learned to use the tool,I can do the prompting and I can
get what I'm looking for exactly whatI'm playing in my head. But my
hands haven't aren't coordinated enough to doYeah. So maybe it's cheating, but

(19:47):
it's still it's definitely useful, rightfor sure. And I mean yeah,
for I I think the creative peoplethat will learn the the engineering with it
and just run the run the townwith it, and that it's going to

(20:08):
be a great tool. It's it'sno different than you know, I mean
using Photoshop or using illustrator or anyof those other tools that really trying to
do the work for you too.You you pretty much. I mean,
you manipulate things with the mouse,but they're the software is doing the job

(20:32):
right, and so you know,this is just taking it one step further.
Yeah. A graphic artist from theeighties or the seventies might argue that,
hey, you're cheating because you're notdoing it on paper, right,
But it's much more practical, youknow, and it's more offensive. I
know, like in my line ofwork. So I'm, you know,

(20:53):
a design engineer and just I don'tknow, twenty years ago, so we're
talking to early two thousands, latenineties, early two thousands, they were
Cummings was still doing board drawing andyeah, and you know, a board
drawn print it would take weeks tofinish and get perfect, and then especially

(21:18):
if you have to do revisions andyou know, different rework on different things,
and then at some point it wouldhave to be converted still, right,
right, I mean yeah, Ieven today, I still get every
once in a while, I'll haveto pull a drawling from from that time
period or even earlier, and it'syou know, it's it's it's a raster

(21:41):
of a drawn print, and it'slike yeah, and we have to pretty
much create cab files for it,and so you're like basically redrawing and baptizing
it kind of yeah. Yeah,but it's like, you know, that

(22:02):
wasn't Honestly, twenty years is notthat long, but like we're so much
more, you know, faster andmore efficient, and we can produce a
lot more product because of the toolswe have, right, And it's just
been an increased productivity, you know, a thousand fold for digital creators and

(22:27):
artists and absolutely illustrators and yeah,web designers, copywriters. I mean I've
used I've not used the web builderwe use. I've not used the generative
image feature yet, but it justcame out a couple of days ago.
But I've used the generative text feature. It's excellent. It's excellent, and

(22:51):
you can So what I've usually doneis I'll have it right, I'll tell
it what I want. So I'mputting a lot of into it because I
know, without me having to thinkof about how to word everything, I
give it a general idea of whatI want to say. It writes it
and then it's really good. Butit's too long and it's a little too
formal. Usually, so I'll sayclick simplify language. Great, and then

(23:14):
I'll say make it shorter, andthen I'll click make it shorter again,
usually putting on what it's for.And it is very good at summarizing and
tightening that stuff up and making itjust pretty much just right. Yeah,
it's impressive and it says so muchtime and it's I mean, if you
know what the copy basically is supposedto do, you can explain what you

(23:37):
want to say and why you wantto say it, you know, for
SEO reasons or for sales or whateverthe sections four and it gets it and
it just does it anyway, prettyawesome. It is. So I'm I'm
curious. We're I mean, we'rewe're given high praise. I you know,
I had mixed feelings about in aboutit in our first episode, but

(24:03):
I am curious if if anything's changedin your mind. I know, I
do still have concerns, right,and I think my my biggest concern is
the non creative people that that willutilize it for whatever, and you know,

(24:29):
or we're gonna have to sift throughlike all kinds of garbage, you
know. Just I don't know.So where's the gatekeeper? I guess,
right? And well, it islike it's kind of like the self publishing
or self music music, self publishingeven kind of that indie revolution that happened

(24:55):
with oh man, what was itback in the day. It was like
the platform where you could put yourmusic, well, my space was one
of those. But everybody you knowis promoting the music on my space.
But there's yes, well yeah,SoundCloud is a great example SoundCloud rappers.
But I'm thinking like more back inmy day when I was trying to do
it, there was a there wasa website and I forget what it was

(25:18):
called. I want to say somethingthe nation, reverb Nation. Maybe what
is reverb Nation because I know whatthey are today, but maybe that's not
it. But there was a websitewhere you can basically just upload your music.
It was kind of like that era'sSoundCloud in a way, okay,
and you could listen to you know, it's all indie and you could just

(25:40):
upload it. You just record itin your bedroom, upload it and people
can make a donation to download itif they want. It was a cool
thing and I feel like it wasthat kind of stuff that just made it.
And then self publishing, you knowobviously with books on Amazon things like
that made it really accessible, butit also lowered, like the overall quality

(26:02):
came down, right, And that'sthat's what it's going. We're gonna oversaturate
everything at this point and it's Idon't know, and I feel maybe at
that point we go back to,you know, hand drown paintings, and

(26:25):
I don't know. I mean,I mean, I think there's always gonna
be a place for those things.Yeah, yeah, of course, but
I don't I guess what I'm sayingis we're gonna be sifting through a pile
of a lot of junks just tofind the one diamond. Basically, we're

(26:48):
all and I think we're already definitelythere. It's like there's a find ability
problem. We deal with that withwood Song Publishing because we have some great
books that we've that we've published thathave hard time breaking through the noise.
You know, Obviously, in theapostolic market it's it's a little more niche,
it's a little easier to get throughthat noise in that small market.

(27:11):
But even there it's it can bea little difficult because there's all there's so
many people self publishing and there's justso much stuff being produced. We are
producing more consistently, which is helping. So we have like three books slated
to come out in the next couplenext month and a half, I think,
and then another at least one ortwo more with the end of the
year. So just that consistency likepeople tend to keep paying attention. I

(27:37):
guess because they know there's more coming. That's helped, But it's but to
break through into the like general Christianmarket, and there's definitely some things that
would or Brother Brother air in Airewas book I hate to read. That's
like very much a general mass marketappeal, I think with that book.
But it would be hard breakthrough becausethere are so many millions of books.

(28:03):
It's just it's just so much noise, you know, yeah, for sure,
Yeah, and this is going toadd to that, right, But
it's just I think it's gonna addyou know, a thousand fold. Yes,
it very well could. Yeah.I mean I'm already seeing you know,

(28:23):
terrible images everywhere you know that beenAI generated And speaking of which I've
been worre Have you used mid Journeyat all? No. I took a
look at it, uh the otherday though, because you even Jordan talked
about it, right, we did, Yeah, we talked about that a
little bit. I Oh my gosh, it's it's hilarious. I am trying

(28:48):
to you know, I just wantedto kind of test the waters and see
how how good it was. Iwatched this video where this guy was like
using mid Journey. He'd like usechat Gypt to give him an idea for
for T shirts for like a certainniche or whatever, and for T shirt
designs, and then he would goon mid Journey and design, you know,

(29:10):
make these prompts that would give himan image that he could throw on
a T shirt in a Prenndaman storeand sell whatever. And you know,
he's making he was, he wasmaking decent money. But but the what
thing he was doing was producing liketwenty new designs every day, and then
every now and then one would sell. You know, most of them wouldn't
tell anything, some would sell afew. Every now and then one would

(29:32):
sell quite a few. But he'sdoing all this with AI. So I
tried and I played around mid Journeyand it's it is. It's it's amazing
when it works, but it canget so confused. And I was trying
to create an image that just gotweirder and weirder and it's awesome, and
I kind of want to just makea T shirt on line and just put
those on a T shirt. It'sprobably an art in itself. I think

(29:56):
it is. Create the weirdness,you know. Yeah, yeah, I
generated image and yeah, sell it, make prints, and I'm gonna slap
it on a T shirts. Whohappens. I'm surprised my brother hasn't done
it because his art work is verystrange and but yeah, he would probably

(30:18):
work with that. Yeah, buthe's a traditionalist too, so I don't
I don't know if he has heused any AI stuff at all. Well,
that that's another thing too. Ithink you know, not that that
it's totally going away, but Ithink the freelance market will probably take a

(30:40):
hit with it. Yeah, Well, you and I think discussed this a
little bit the other day about likefreelance art market, right, like with
illustrators and right, yeah, Ithink you know what we did talk about
is is definitely probably the solution.But I can definitely see writers hiring less

(31:04):
and less. Well that's yeah,yeah, and that's if you've not heard
the episode with Jordan Fry, yougo back and listen to it. But
that's what we were talking about,is is the fact that he, as
a writer who's not an illustrator,was able to use and I'm super impressed
that he was able to prompt engineerin a way where he basically got a

(31:29):
coherent style throughout his book, andhe did do some changes and some some
color you know work and things likethat in Photoshop afterwards or whatever program we
use. But but generally speaking,he used I think it was mid journey
to create this this artwork and tocompliment his book, which is extreme and

(31:53):
extremely practical, used for it.Now, like we talked, I think
there's probably gonna be tears, Likethere's going to be the guys who learn
who have the maybe don't want tospend the money, or maybe you don't
have the resources to hire go outand hire an illustrator, because you can't
always find an illustrator who is willingto work with you on shared revenue,

(32:15):
right, so you just learn todo it yourself and you learn how to
prompt engineer. And like Jordan wasreally interested in that anyway, and evident
I think he was already using AI, so it was easy choice for him.
But I think there's going to bethat next tier where you hire a
company. Maybe maybe it's like ah it's just like ordering off Amazon Hut.

(32:37):
At this point, you just goon and and use or actually more
like five maybe, and you youpay somebody to make cheap images using AI
the you know, the next tierwhere it's custom it's a person creating art
and that's and I think all thetiers will probably exist, but those lower

(32:57):
tiers are probably gonna be more andmore common. Yeah for sure. Yeah,
I wouldn't think as a freelance illustratornot necessarily need to be in fear
of getting less and less work,but really understanding what's happening and utilize that

(33:22):
as a business model for them andright learn, I guess, yeah,
I just learn to make it toyour advantage and hopefully you can brow well,
who would I mean, who wouldbe better at using AI to create

(33:45):
art than an artist? Right?So yeah, for sure, so you're
gonna do a lot, you coulddo it. You could handle a lot
more work and get paid less forthat work because it's a different type.
Maybe it's about the volume. Yeah, may not be fulfilling, but you
know, well that's that's the otherside of it. Yeah, it's not

(34:07):
fulfilling. There is a sense ofaccomplishment of something you create yourself, and
I don't know, so that tome, this is kind of another negative.
We are you know, perhaps youknow, basically in order to I

(34:35):
guess be the best that you canmeet. You have to keep up with
skills, and if this is theskill that's going to take over, your
other skills are going to suffer becauseof it. Right, And so as
an artist, you know, youneed to paint everything to be a good
painter. But if everyone is onlybuying AI generated artwork, then well I

(34:59):
need to feed itself or feed myfamily. So yeah, I got to
learn how to do that. Butbut then, and I think there's always
that push and pull, like ifyou're an artist, even if that stuff,
you have to be the family.It might be flipping burgers or something.
You know, so you go backto that would you rather flip burgers
or would you rather create AI artwork? You know? So maybe it is

(35:22):
a better like middle ground. Yeah, true, you know, I don't
know. I'm just curious on thestatistics on maybe in the next five to
ten years what it actually does tothat market and what happens and and how
how illustrators are going to use itto their advantage. Still main I'm sure

(35:47):
great art and what they do,but right, and I'm sure we're going
to see drastic drafts, an Irobot thing, and you know, things
takeover, right or we're Yeah,we just live in our bubble around,

(36:09):
have around, right like Wally.You talk about like in Wally where they're
all rolling around with their like onehundred and forty four ounce drinks on their
middle of around, big gulps,big gulps. Yeah, uh maybe,
and you know, maybe that's thefuture. I don't know. I feel
like I feel like it's it's definitelya double edged sword, for sure.

(36:34):
Whether it's whether it's art and illustrationor writing or even or goating music,
all of it's definitely definitely hot prosand cons. You know, there's pros
and cons, right, I don'tknow. Maybe it's uh m hmm,

(36:54):
continue to dumb society for all forno, it's like, I don't know,
it's like the Apple Twoe to Macintoshkind of deal where you know,
one was pretty much open source andthe other one's completely closed. That's that

(37:16):
That was the vision of Steve Jobs. But an easy graphical interface, yeah,
you know, just easy accessibility,right, But then you got the
hardliners Steve Waak, who wanted toopen be able to get into the machine
and get in upgrade. And it'snot a good viable business plan, I

(37:42):
suppose, right, perhaps yea,yeah, it was a different every year
versus just upgrading hardware. Yeah,it's definitely a different business model. It's
not there's obviously a market for thetinkerers. I mean, there's there's things
like the Raspberry Pie and and dowe know communities that do a lot of

(38:07):
tinkering with electronics and computers, andthere's a tinkerer market. And then there's
that middle ground where there's like thePC guys who who do upgrades and swap
out there add ram and swap outyou know whatever parts. But and then
there's the Mac people that you know, they just want the new, shiniest

(38:30):
thing. But yeah, I getit. I mean I get both.
I guess I do get both.Just a different, different strategy, different
business model, and there's always goingto be customers for all of it.
It's like, okay, so music, back to music, right, there's
some there. I won't say anynames, but I've written in the car

(38:52):
with people who I can't. I'msorry to our listeners who probably love K
Love. I can't say K love. It drives me up the wall.
It's just it's just the same thing. It's like all radio basically, it's
like all radio except it's like thenegative of all radio that everything's the same,

(39:13):
plus the negative of NPR where theybeg for money and it's like the
worst of all worlds and that's whatthe Christians get. So not a fan.
But there's there's some people that youcan ride in the car with them
and they could listen to K Loveand it could be the same song over
and over again. It could benothing but someone begging for money for an

(39:34):
hour, and they I don't thinkthey would notice. It's like it's just
noise or something. I don't know, Like I care about music. I
have a playlist on my Spotify thatI want to play I have, I
have the record at home, andI care enough that it matters to me,
right, Yeah, for sure.I think that's the way it's gonna
be. The I too. Imean, there's gonna be those people that

(39:57):
couldn't care less what it is andit doesn't really matter, and there's a
people Yeah, yeah, I meanfor sure that goes with anything. I
mean, yeah, I definitely feelthe same way about K Love. But
I I don't know, I I'mjust it's a word. I'm really like

(40:29):
anxious to see what's what's going tohappen, I guess because I can see
it going in two different directions inmy mind. Maybe I've watched way too
much science fiction, read too manyscience fiction books, but we've been pretty
much right on most right and youknow, pretty much, you know,

(40:52):
machines take over humans. I thinkit's maybe a self fulfilling prophecy because the
people building these AI things, I'veprobably read all the books, so but
still it's it's happening. So eitherway, I don't know. I do
think it's amazing. I love thatphotoshop AI. It's sounds cool. Yeah,

(41:15):
and I know there's that. Imean, that's gonna that's a game
changer for sure, definitely, Andjust it is really cool to see.
I haven't dived into it as muchas I probably should. I just you

(41:38):
know, watch videos here and thereand take a look at it. But
I haven't actually used it to doanything. But I have not used the
photoshop I've I've used I've used midJourney, I've used Dolly the open AI
yeah with for generative Actually, i'veused it to remove things from a photo

(42:05):
and then redraw what it thinks shouldbe there in the background. For one
example, I just totally random.One of my clients, social media clients,
was given away tickets to see.Was it some country singer Jason Aldean.
Jason Aldean, So it was aJason Aldean album cover, and but
it had like his name and thealbum name or I think the album was

(42:29):
called nine, so like the numbernine and his name on it. So
I'm like, I'm gonna use thisimage. So I just loaded it in
Dolly. We're making a social mediapost about it, and I wanted to
put text over the image, butit would be weird because there's text already
there. So I just used theirrace tool and I erased his name and
the album name, and then Ihad it generate the image back over that

(42:53):
and it just kind of like closedthat up and it looked natural, and
I used as my background for thepost. So it just there's so many
different things you can do with itthat's probably illegal. I shouldn't have said
that. I'm sure that's a copyrightinfringement, but well I was. Yeah,
it's out on the internet now,but yeah, that leads me to,

(43:15):
you know, thinking about what it'sgoing to do for the illegal document
world, because it's totally going totransform it right, and I don't are
the you know, the government agencies. I can I can really see them
trying to hammer down on it andtrying to control it somehow, Oh for

(43:39):
sure, just because I mean,how easy would it be to create a
passport and you could generate Yeah youcould, Yeah, you could do Oh
it's so it's so easy, Andyou might have to trick you might have
to trick the you know, likechagi, but you won't do certain things.
But you can trick it to dothose things. Sure, you know,

(44:00):
like we live in a world wherethis is not illegal and whatever whatever,
and eventually if you were to justright, it'll be like okay,
and then it'll just do it.Yeah, it's kind of crazy, but
but yeah, you can definitely trickit into break its own criminal element to
it as well. Mhm. It'syeah, there are there are some negatives.

(44:29):
I'm sure the right people are sayingsto right, they're trying to come
up with a solution. Oh,how we're going to well, it's like
other tools, you know, whenthe people kill people before guns were invented,

(44:49):
but obviously you know, some peoplewere going to use them for that
for that same thing with cars beingas far as being lazy, you know,
uh, the printing press probably couldhave been blamed for making people lazy,
but definitely the internet could be andAI will be as well, and
and and it's probably true to somedegree. But for the people that use

(45:14):
it correctly, it won't make themlazy. It'll make them way more productive.
So that's going to depend on theperson, right, I haven't decided
yet. I haven't decided yet whetherI think most people are lazy, but
I tend to I tend to leanthere that way. You know, it's
I think most people are lazy.Yeah, I don't think any of us

(45:37):
would survive and teenth century at all. It'd be tough. It'd be tough
for me. I'm nine to lie, I would probably die. Yeah,
I probably would too. I barelysurvived, you know, five mile hike
in the woods. So wait,have we talked about that on the podcast

(45:58):
yet? Yeah? Okay, thisneeds a good episode. But but maybe
maybe, yeah, we'll have towork on that. Yeah, when you're
when you're ready, When you're ready, Yeah, yeah, no problem,
I'm ready. I'm already. Youknow. I've rehearsed that story so much
in my mind now and told somany people. It's it's choreographed pretty much.

(46:22):
That's great. Well, any greatstory, you know, you gotta
get a practice, right, right, But yeah, I don't know.
I mean we we definitely have iteasy. I suppose we do. And

(46:43):
you know what, And that's actuallykind of what I'm going to preach on
tomorrow night because I I don't know, I I feel like not being comfortable
anymore. I suppose we have thiscomfort crisis in our generation, and I

(47:06):
think we need to get out ofour comfort zones. The cliche, but
like, do hard things? Dosomething that? I just read that book?
Actually, have you read that book? Yeah? Do hard things?
I just read that Okay, yeah, yeah, that's so oh man.
I okay. So we talked toJoe McKinney on the podcast before and with

(47:29):
two episodes, I think at leastsuper interesting guy, super smart guy,
friend of ours, and I've talkedto him several times about stoicism and I
feel like now more than ever,and I feel like Christians will, at
least in my experience, a lotof Christians, a lot of Apostolics have

(47:50):
kind of kind of walked away fromthose types of philosophies or like like they
associate that with like the idea oflike Bain philosophies and things like that.
Sure, but I feel like stoicismnow as a Christian is a more important
practice than it has ever been inhistory. The idea just being uncomfortable,

(48:15):
Yeah, the idea of eating morepeople eat for a week and just realizing
how good you have it, itis valuable, right, yeah, absolutely,
or you know, just yeah,I mean that that's a perfect example.

(48:36):
But like I mean not, youdon't even have to be super extreme.
It can just be like, youknow, exercise. You know,
that's extremely healthy for us, andwe need to do that, but there's
so many people that don't. Andyou know, and I'm I'm I'm certainly
that way. But you know,I've I've been changing, I've been walking

(49:00):
a lot, and I've actually,you know, I'm going to tell the
hike story at some point, butyou know, ever since that massive hike
I went on, I've gone onlike seven other hikes now. Really yes,
And but it's because it's it's almostawakened something inside of me, because
it's like, not only do Iwant to go back there, I want

(49:22):
to accomplish that, you know,and and you know, not not happen
what happened to me, But II don't know. I just there's this
desire now that I have that Idon't. I'm tired of my cushy life,

(49:44):
you know, and I think weneed it. We need a challenge,
and not just men, but butspecifically men need to need a challenge.
We need to feel like we've donesomething that's difficult. Right, Yeah,
I agree. I mean I'm notsaying I'm gonna go hike Glacier National
Park or anything, but well itdoesn't have to be. And maybe,

(50:07):
yeah, maybe it is that.But it's not necessarily just physical things either.
It's intellectual things. Yeah, absolutely, mental, spiritual things. I
mean, gosh, you know,I love the direction of our church is
going as far as being multicultural andyou know, but they're there are more

(50:29):
things we can do to reach reachthese people, and not just not just
you know, the diverse people,but like even just the poor the you
know, like you said, youknow, eat food that only the poor
would eat. But like, howabout you know, we go live like

(50:50):
that for something, right, youknow, live on the not saying this,
but live on the streets, youknow, spend time with with these
people. Well that that are thedowntrod out of society. And it's not
always it's not always what we thinkit is, right, there's all kinds

(51:12):
of circumstances of why they're that way. No, it's not. It's not
because they're lazy or drugs a lotof it. I mean, that's a
lot of times it is, butit's you know, there's other circumstances.
I remember watching a documentary on skidRow once and there were people that were
living in those tents that had anine to five job. Yeah, that

(51:37):
would go to work, work inan office building. I mean, I
I don't know what in the worldyou do? What do you do?
What do you do in La too? To afford to nine hundred thousand dollar
house? You know what I mean? I mean the obviously there's people that
are that can and they can affordmillions of dollars houses, but I mean
a basic like normal house is likewhat probably six hundred seven hundred thousand right

(52:02):
in the not so good neighborhoods.It's great. I don't know what it
is now, but I know it'scrazy. So yeah, it's nab yeah
for sure. And yeah, Imean these people if they you know,
and In my mind, I'm thinking, why don't you move to the Midwest
or something where you can't afford it? But I don't know whatever draws in

(52:23):
the California drawls in the California.But right, but it's it's harder than
people when you say, you know, just just pack up a move,
just or just pull yourself up byyour bootstraps, all the things that we
tend to say. It's right,it's easy to say, but it would
be hard for any of us todo it if we're in that situation,
right, Yeah, And I think, you know, it would help us

(52:46):
better to empathize as a Christian andperhaps reach have a have a further reach
to that community. And these thetype of people that we're trying to reach
and right get a gain a betterunderstanding. I mean, my wife and
I we just I mean we spentalmost a year, you know, our

(53:12):
our life pretty much got flipped upsidedown, you know, with it with
fostering, and I mean it's openedmy eyes to all kinds of stuff.
But like it's I don't know,it's it changes you. It changes you
in a such a deep way.I mean that you never thought could imagine

(53:37):
everything that I have everything that I'veworked for. You know, I think
I spent I don't know, Imean at least fifteen years of my life
from from twenty to thirty five justaccumulating junk, accumulating stuff and you know,
trying to get gain wealth and andyou know, all this stuff.

(54:00):
But like what do I have toshow for it? Really? Why?
That's that's the question? Yea,Right, what was the point? And
I think, you know, Godgave me a word several years ago,
but we were I think it wasthe long lines of spiritual hoarding. But

(54:22):
it was going going to church Sundayafter Sunday after Sunday, getting filled with
the Holy ghost, you know,having these blowout services, and then walking
out of the building like nothing everhappened, and going back to my normal
daily routines and go, you know, a Sunday night, we leave and

(54:45):
go to Applebee's or whatever. Likeright, like God just didn't do this
miraculous thing, you know, justthirty minutes ago in your life and then
you're you've finished that and then youleave and you just back to your normal
life. And I mean, itmight be unfair to really categorize it that

(55:12):
way, but like you know whenwe were downtown at our old building,
you know, that apartment complex rightacross the street, you know, across
the railroad tracks, and how manytimes did we walk out of that building
and see that and all those familiesand kids that live in there, and
this is I mean, it's arundown broke. It shouldn't even exist.

(55:32):
Honestly, it's it's it's a firetrap. It's way I mean, it's
I mean they need either torn downor completely remodeled, like round up.
And that's across the street from athriving church and or you know at the
time, but it was I don'tknow. I mean I felt God really

(55:58):
convict me. And it's like,you walk out of this church Sunday after
Sunday, Wednesday after Wednesday, andI have I have done so much in
your life. I have blessed youso much. And it's great, it's
wonderful. But they need it toright. I want you to stop spiritual

(56:22):
hoarding me and get out there andshare the gospel with somebody and lead people
to God. That's what it's allabout. It's about the fruit we bear.
It is and you know, it'sit's it's it's so important that we

(56:45):
our our church as has changed.And we talked about that. We talked
about our church a lot. Butwhat else we talk about, right,
It's it's our church, so weknow, uh. But but seriously,
we our church has changed so muchin a year and right, and there
are so what I think And I'mstill kind of rolling these thoughts around in

(57:06):
my head and trying to think abouthow I'm going to put them on paper.
But I am working on putting themon paper, and hopefully I'll finish.
My goal is to finish a bookthis year, writing a book.
I've read several this year, writingone my first at least my first past
and then I'll have a lot ofediting and rereading and writing to do.

(57:27):
But but I think it's one ofthe most beautiful things that the Holy Ghost
does, is what is happening atour church right now. And that is
I mean, if you look atRevelation, what is the picture of Heaven?
It's every nation, tongue, nation, tribe, and our church is
breaking down all these barriers. Imean, it's and we are not I'm

(57:51):
not saying this to brag because forso many years we didn't do it at
all. It was a long pathto get here. But socioeconomic barriers,
racial barriers, language barriers, youknow, ethnic barriers, all these things.
And we're at the point now wherewe were pretty much one hundred almost

(58:13):
one white middle class basically, Imean, with with some with some variation.
You know, obviously there's a there'sa little bit of room there obviously
what exid our middle class. Butbut everybody was doing okay. You know,
I don't feel like we had anyreally poor people in our church.
I don't think we had a wholelot of diversity. We had maybe just

(58:36):
a couple of people who weren't basicallywhite, and most everybody, with the
exception of our Spanish congregation, whichwe do have a Spanish service, With
the exception of the people in theSpanish congregation, everybody pretty much book English.
And now we have this mix whereit is it's incredible. I mean,
it's like probably ten percent of ourcongregation our Haitian, and then I

(59:00):
don't know what the percentages that areHispanic, but it is growing like crazy.
And and there are also you know, people that are coming in that
are that are dealing with poverty,they're dealing with addiction, they're dealing with
all the descend baggage and and justcircumstances you know, life. But it's

(59:22):
it's changed that the whole dynamic ofeverything. But I think the almost the
magic southor a wordy is But butthe beauty and the incredible thing that that
Alghost does is it lets us allcome together as one body, as you
know, regardless if we can reallyunderstand each other very well, sometimes regardless

(59:45):
either because of our differences or becauseof a language barrier. We are different
ages, across age, groups acrossyou know, rich or poor. It
doesn't matter, race doesn't matter,ethnicity doesn't matter, language doesn't matter.
We all love each other. WeI mean, we're working on it.
But but the work that God's doingis incredible and it's definitely a work of

(01:00:07):
the Holy Ghost. Because what wouldbe easy is go to a church where
everyone looks, acts and thinks likeyou. What's not so easy is being
in a church where everyone looks,acts and thinks differently and still working and
together loving one another. That's thebeauty of of the church should be.

(01:00:28):
I think right, it's it's thechurch being the church, and it's difficult,
perhaps perhaps for us it is difficultand it's hard. It's definitely hard,
and that's why it's valuable, right, really exactly, and that I
guess I mean to go full circle, you know, doing the hard thing.

(01:00:52):
And you know, perhaps this isjust another argument against AI, but
like actually doing the thing you knowthat's difficult and hard and tedious. You
know, there there is this thereis this sense of accomplishment and you fulfill
something deep inside you and doing thathard thing in I mean, gosh,

(01:01:19):
I'll never forget when I, youknow, gave my basically first Bible study
as a Pentecostal to somebody. Andyou know, I've given Bible studies before,
but like, and I've been apart of Bible studies, but just
I remember that first person that Ijust like, hey, I got to

(01:01:40):
share the gospel with somebody. Howexciting that was. You know, you're
nervous at first, You're wonder what'syou know, whether they're going to accept
it or not. And you know, you play every scenario in your mind.
If you're like me, you tendto focus more on the negative than
positive. But and but like,you know, I sat down with this

(01:02:07):
person and we we spent like Idon't know two two and a half hours
just studying the Bible together. AndI remember I may have even I don't
know if I texted you. Iknow I texted Brother Rowood and I was
just like, oh, man,I just had this incredible Bible study with

(01:02:28):
this guy, and you know,and it's and that I don't I mean,
I don't know. I know,like you're playing in seeds and stuff.
But like I knew just just havingthat experience what God did for me
that moment, in that sense ofaccomplishment. You know, I know it's

(01:02:50):
deep down I know it was God, but it was like, you know,
God was using me in that moment. I was his tool right in
that moment. And and I guessmaybe that's what I love love to do.
You know, I just want tobe back on I'm like Isaiah,
you know here I am using,Yeah, and no, that's that's what

(01:03:14):
I want to continue to do.And I think I think that was the
message that God was, you know, nailing in my brain, you know,
several years ago about spiritual hoarding.It's just like you want to be
like Isaiah, be like Isaiah,just do it. Yeah, get out

(01:03:35):
there and do the work and getout of your comfort zone. Do the
hard things and it's always worth it. Absolutely absolutely. By the way,
have you this is I know we'vetalked about this a little bit. I
don't know if you said you'd readit or not, But have you read
what's the book called? It's byDonald Miller Through Painted Desert. No,

(01:04:00):
I haven't. You should read that, especially we were talking about the other
day. But I read Blue LightJazz. Yes, yeah, he wrote
Blue Light Jazz, so I was, yeah, that's we did to talk
about that. So I was readinghis business books, which is it's so
weird because I had read Blue LightJazz years ago. I feel like,
I don't know how long ago.But I was reading Building Your Story Brand

(01:04:26):
or I think that's what's called.And then there's Business Made Simple, Marketing
Made Simple. They're great practical businessbooks, really really great books about building
a clear marketing message and all thosethings through the use of story and kind
of being the guide. Let yourclient, your client, your customer be
the hero. You'd be the guide. It's really brilliant, just and and

(01:04:47):
and practical. But then it turnsout he's the same Donald Miller that wrote
Blue Light Jazz, which was crazy. So I went back and read that
that's a totally different it's like twodifferent parts of his life. And then
he also wrote this, I'm actuallyreading another one of his books right now
and doing the audiobook. Actually youcall that reading. That's up for debate.

(01:05:09):
Yes you can let know what youfeel about that too, But I'm
doing the audiobook for Scary Close iswhat it's on, relationships. But anyway,
through Painted Desert before you write,if you're gonna write something about your
experience, hiking experience, you shouldread Through Painted Desert. So it's interesting

(01:05:31):
because it just a thought about thatbecause he has a story of hiking the
Grand Canyon unprepared physically, and hisequipment probably wasn't up to the snuff either.
So but it's kind of a memoirabout a travel or a like a
travelog memoir kind of thing. Butdefinitely like to read. It looks like

(01:05:57):
it's on who it is, onwho book him here, and it's a
quick read too. Or again Idid an audiobook on that one. But
I really like his stuff. Idon't, you know, I don't always
agree with his takes on things,but I feel like it's which usually a
good writer is probably gonna have somehot takes you don't agree with, but

(01:06:21):
yeah, that's okay. Yeah,and I feel like he's that's what guys
like, well, guys like DonaldMiller, even guys like Rob Bell that
a lot of people really don't likefor and and I understand, you know,
for theological reasons, but but andsometimes they just have like the brilliant

(01:06:43):
moments, and I think it's worthwaiting through the stuff you don't like or
don't agree with to get to those. So yeah, yeah, definitely worth
definitely worth readings. Yeah, so, oh, we did not talk about
something that I wanted to ask youabout. You mentioned this briefly, and
we started with music, So we'regoing to get back to music, I

(01:07:04):
guess to wrap it up the Beatles. So the Beatles are releasing a new
song. Yeah, so this isit's kind of cool. So back in
the early nineties, I'm not exactlysure how it was commissioned or not,

(01:07:30):
but there was this huge documentary seriesthat came out and called The Beatles Anthology,
and it just basically went from youknow, the moment each individual Beatle
was born, all the way throughtheir entire career. So it's this massive
documentary and during it though there wasI guess Yoko Ono, who was John

(01:08:02):
Lennon's wife, had there there weresome old recorded demos of John Lennon's that
were never released, and she gavea few of them to Paul George and
Ringo and they recorded two songs backin the nineties and they released them as

(01:08:30):
singles, so one of them asFree as a Bird, which I think
may have been a number one hitfor him, you know, thirty years
after their career and they already theyreleased that. But but anyway, and
it was John's recorded voice and guitar, I believe, just on a I

(01:08:56):
guess he recorded them on like alittle four track tape cassette recorder. So
the quality was terrible, but theydid the best they could with the technology
they had at the time, andthey and the Beatles kind of filled the
rest of the Beatles just kind offilled in the rest and they made the
two songs. Well, there wasa third song apparently nobody knew about except

(01:09:21):
for you know, the Beatles,and but they couldn't for whatever reason,
they couldn't use it, or theywouldn't use it, or I don't know,
it's just something didn't work out.It was maybe it was too hard
to extract quality. Yeah, Butanyway, so long story short, Paul

(01:09:44):
McCartney announced I think as a recordingthis I think it was last week that
they are using that he's used AIto extract John Lennon's vocal isolated the vocal
out of that original demo and thathim and Ringo recorded track with it,

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and they're going to release it asa single. I don't know the date
when they're when they're going to releaseit, but yeah, So the Beatles
are coming out with the new That'sCrazy in twenty twenty three. That's insane.
Yeah, right, and yeah,I guess they're their first single in

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the US or I guess, wellit would be Yeah, I think the
US, maybe mainly England was nineteensixty three, so wow, I don't
know, that's kind that's kind ofcool. That's yeah, was that sixty
sixty years? Sixty years? Wow? Yeah, that's pretty incredible. I
don't know. I mean as aas a music fan, I think,

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and certainly a Beatles fan, Ithink that's just that's really cool. And
and now we have the we havethe tools now that could do that.
How many more other recordings are thereout there? And right, how many
other artists have demos? And yeah, just I mean somewhere deep in a

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vault somewhere there's you know, themillion dollar quartet, and we can extract
that out, you know, andmake a better quality of it. Yeah,
there's so much potential for sure.Along with the potential to make fake
Drake songs, you know whatever,there's also the potential for some really cool

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uses of AI. So I thinkit's kind of cool. For sure,
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