Why Men's Conference? (w/ The Pentecostal Perspective & The Matthew Arrowood Podcast)

2 Pentecostals and a Microphone x The Pentecostal Perspective x The Matthew Arrowood Podcast

After the 2024 UPCI Indiana District Men's Conference, we sat down with Robert McClellan from The Pentecostal Perspective and Matthew Arrowood from The Matthew Arrowood Podcast to discuss our takeaways from the conference, the role of and need for men in the Church, and a few other related topics. 

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to two Pentecostals and aMicrophone. We are joined by Robert McClellan
from The Pentecostal Perspective and Matthew Arrowoodfrom the Matthew Airwood Podcast for a very
special episode. We recorded this atCalvy Tabernacle this past weekend, just after
Indiana District QPCI Men's Conference. Itwas a great time with Brother Brian Kinsey,

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who we just released an episode aninterview with last week actually the day
before men's conference started, and thenon Saturday, Brother Joel Ershaan. Just
an incredible ministry of those two menover many years, and to bring them
both together at one men's conference wasincredible for sure. We want to thank
both Matthew and Robert for the opportunityto join together in doing a special episode,

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especially Robert who coordinated the whole thing, recorded it, did most of
the editing. So thank you verymuch to Robert. And if you haven't
listened to The Pentecostal Perspective or theMatthew Airwood Podcast, you definitely are missing
out. You should go check themboth out. They are great podcasts by
a couple of great men that Ithink you'll truly enjoy. So we sat
down after the Men's conference and sharedsome thoughts regarding the conference itself, the

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role of men in the church,and some of the takeaways from the event.
It was an awesome event actually,where Bryce was the bandleader, Robert
was a guitarist in the band,Matthew Eirwood actually led warship, and I'm
sure did some of the things behindthe scenes that we don't know about.
My wife was coordinating some things behindthe scenes, so I was there helping
her and also manning a booth ortrying to man a booth for a couple

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of different things. First of allbeing our podcast, actually all three podcasts,
and one that I plan to belaunching here in the next few weeks.
Actually our date is April first,that is not an April fool's joke.
Apostolic Art will be launching. Andthen just across the aisle, we
were promoting wood Song Publishing. She'spublishing great Apostolic books by Apostolic authors and

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Sandy Creek Music, which Bryce andRobert are both heavily involved in, and
the Ignite release titled as Mercy Unfolds. Matthew Rawood had a big hand in
that as well. So I kindof brought it all back together. We
were all able to get together atthe same time, at the same table
and have a discussion and it wasawesome. Great men's conference, great discussion.
We hope you enjoy it. Thanksfor tuning in to two pendecostles and

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a microphone. Okay, So thefirst question that we've all have kind of
agreed to dive into first is whatis a key takeaway that we have had

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from the Indiana District Men's Conference twentytwenty four. Matthew, do you want
to start us out? Really?The key takeaway is in a time when
are called sure is against any kindof unification of a body of men standing
up for a cause such as theKingdom of God, it's very much frowned
upon. And when those men cometogether every year and we gather at Calvary

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Tabernacle and in other churches in thepast, it is the most encouraging thing
to be a part of. Imean, every church service, every Wednesday,
every Sunday, I go to CalvaryTabernacle. It's always encouraging. But
there's something about when men unify fora cause greater than themselves and unashamed they

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shout it from the rooftops, andI always walk away from men's conference feel
like a million bucks and I feelso encouraged. That's my primary takeaway.
Awesome. I'll go ahead and followup with that sort of the key takeaway
that I got from this entire conferencewas just this aspect of men standing up
for one another. I think alot of times too, there's like a

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lot of territorialism amongst men. We'revery like territorial there's things that we should
take ownership of. But what Iloved is the unification that was felt here
and that factor of like, let'sbe a blessing to one another instead of
like I love what brother Kensey saidthe other night, whenever he was saying,
like talking about that spirit of jealousy, like I want to see my

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brother blessed. And if my brothergets elevated to a position that might be
higher than mine, or he getsthe new car or the new house or
whatever it might be, I wantto be on the sidelines cheering him on,
saying thank you God, because inthe end, when the church is
blessed, when my brother is blessed, we're all blessed. We're all members

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of the body of Christ, andso that whole aspect of blessing one another
just kept coming back. And evenBrother Ersha today he touched on that too,
and it was so good to beable to hear Brother Ershin in person.
Was the first time I've ever gotto actually be in the same auditorium
while he's preaching, and just betweenhim and Brother Kensey both, just the
electrifying presence of God that was inhere. I don't think you can walk

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away from a conference like this andnot be changed. There's no way.
So that's that's sort of my keytakeaways plural. Yeah, I really I
would agree with both of you inthat sense, and it's hard to add
to it because that's exactly how Ifeel. I would say that, you

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know, I felt like what Godwas kind of showing me and perhaps others
was, you know, with BrotherKinzie, he kind of talked about he
touched on like spiritual disciplines in ourlife and having that rule of five,
and he's been on our podcast andhe's kind of went into detail with that.
Unfortunately, where we were sitting lastnight, it was hard to hear
him, but I already already knewthe message anyway because I've already heard it.

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But yeah, yeah, right,that was a good podcast episode,
but yeah, yeah, but itwas just again, it was just driving
that home for me. And youknow, when when you talked about blessing
others, you know, that's somethingthat you have to be intentional with and

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and it's something that I've I've struggledwith as as as a Christian, been
a Christian, you know, mywhole life. But it's still like,
you know, you kind of gothrough the motions and you're you go to
church, and you know, Ifelt like it's just kind of reminded me
of what the message that God gaveme several years ago about spiritual hoarding.

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And you know, I go tochurch Sunday after Sunday and I you know,
I have these amazing services and theseamazing experiences with God, and then
I leave the building and go aboutby day and it's it's like I kept
it all for myself, and youknow, but God was like they need

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it, they needed out. Youknow, when you step outside that building,
you're, yeah, what I didfor you was great, but I
need you to go to them andbring them in. And you know,
so that was just another reminder.And I loved what your uncle said this
morning in the split class too,and it was a simple message, but

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it was beautifully, beautifully done.And you know we are you know,
God is this great sculptor, potteror I don't know what the word I'm
trying to look for there, buthe had this, you know, this
idea that he was bringing forth isyou know, God is molding and shaping

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us and who we are and whohe wants us to be, and you
know, and it's just again it'sthat reminder just to trust him and you
know, our life may not beand you know, brother Oshan talked about
this too, but our life maynot be what we expected and what we
wanted, you know, or maybeyou know what we showed up to preach

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somewhere, you know, only oneperson shows up, you know, and
you know, you know, asa musician, it's so disheartening when I
when I book a gig and youdo all this practicing and working for towards
it, and you know, there'slike five people in the audience and like,
you know, three three of themare your family. So I've been

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there. Yeah, So I don'tknow, I mean, you still give
them the show of their lives hopefully, but you know, but still it's
you know, you never know,and that that story he told about jtpu
Is was so awesome, And youknow, we don't know the lives we're

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touching. We don't know who werewho were affecting. And you know,
any any role we play in thechurch, no matter how minute or miniscule
it might be, you know,it's making you know, this, this
little ripple is going to be likethe tsunami later on. And it's really

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it's just you don't know what kindof effect we have. Just allow God
to move in your life. Iagree you're talking about unity, and I
think that's an important part of whatwe were seeing here. And I mean
I did offer to fight the Calvarysecurity guys to get Matthew and Jessica back
to Seymour, but it's okay.I don't think I could take them.
So you're You're good, You're here. We do miss you guys, though,

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glad good to see you. It'sgood to see you again. Yeah.
No, I think I think unityand iron Sharpen's iron. It's the
church is important in general. Obviouslythe importance of the church is hard to
overstate. But when you're talking aboutother groups in the church, I think
men's groups are important because there's aunique thing that can happen when a bunch

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of men get together. The samething is true for the ladies. I
think it's important to have ladies conferencesof men's conferences because you need that,
you need to be with your brothers. And I think something that stood out
to me was somebody in the hallwayyelped my name. I didn't realize who
it was at first, and itwas somebody hadn't seen in years, and
they were actually in a class thatI taught at the juvenile Detention Center in

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Jackson County more than fifteen years ago, sixteen seventeen years ago, and he
had come to church with me fora couple months after he got out.
And then a few years ago,twenty nineteen, I think he said he
reconnected with me, and he cameto church maybe a few times. We
had lunch a few times, andI didn't even realize it. He kind

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of called me out a little bitand told me that he had tried to
text me and I had neglected textinghim back, I guess. And he
fell off the wagon and evidently hasbeen an alcoholic this entire time. And
he wasn't blaming me for it,you know, he said, it's not
your fault. But you know,I couldn't get a hold of everybody tried
to get ahold of. It wasbusy. I started thinking about it,

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and you know, we do getbusy. And I had a text,
you know that I remember to textback just today from last week and it
was nothing super important, but likethat, but it's important. It's important
that we're here for each other,you know. And luckily now he's in
a recovery program. It's like aresidential recovery program and at an Apostolic church,

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and he was here with his pastorand they're very cool. But we
need each other. We need eachother. The church is necessary. Men
are other Men of like faith arenecessary in our lives, and I think
we should be a part as muchas we can of these things, you
know, along those same lines.Sort of something that you just touched on

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that I think cannot be overstated enoughis the accountability and all of us we
need to hold each other accountable.And no better way than to come to
a men's conference to look each otherin the eye. To pray with one
another, to pray over one another, and to say I'm here for you

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if you ever need anything, Andthen to hear messages, life changing messages
together in the same room, thatunity that's built from that, and to
go away from that knowing I'm heldaccountable now not only for what I heard,
but to the people that I waswith and actually being involved in a

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program like that, a drug andalcohol addiction program. That's one of the
things that you know, without accountability, everyone that comes through the doors to
try to get help, they wouldnever get to that place where they need
to be. They would never havethat driving force that could be behind them,
not holding their hand, so tospeak, but at least to say,
hey, I've been praying for you. How have you been doing today?

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We need that amongst the men alot of times too. I think
we can get that from our wives, We can get that from other peers.
Don't get me wrong, but there'ssomething about a person that you barely
know, you don't know them likeon a personal deep level, for them
to pray with you, for youto hear the words that they're uttering,

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and to hear that they're speaking lifeinto you, and to hear them saying
things sometimes prophetically even that cannot be, that cannot be replaced. You can't
find that in just just anywhere.It's true. I Uh, the piano
lost my train thought. I know, right, musicians, Ye, inspiration.

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You know, Men's conference definitely holdsa special place in my heart.
And as you were talking about that, it just kind of triggered in my
mind, you know, as whenI was first coming into the Pentecostal church,
it was Jaredith and Brother John whoinvited me to a men's conference.
Sure, and we're talking several yearsago, but you know, we woke

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up really early and drove the bloomingthing right. Yeah, you know.
It was those experiences seeing all thesemen together and in unity. And I
actually have a video of it.It came up on my memory feed on
Facebook the other day. But itwas just everyone was singing Amazing Grace.
But it was just all the menand unity singing a cappella singing amazing Grace.

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But that was like, I thinkthat was my first men's conference,
and that was just I mean,I was still on the fence whether or
not I was going to be anApostolic Pentecostal at that point. But it's
the it's it was the seal youknow that helped me and grow my faith.
Was that the year that Jerry Jonesand Scott Graham preached that was incredible?

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Yeah, incredible. That's a coupleof good preachers right there. Yeah,
not bad, you know. Andthere's something else that that cropped up
online the other day is I hadposted reposted a video from last year's men's
conference somewhere it was either YouTube orsomething like that, and the question had

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come up, where did you getall these men? And it was a
female asking where in the world whereare all these men coming from? Like
I can't even get my husband togo to church. The Apostolic Pentecostal Church
has something that I feel like alot of other churches are missing. We
have men. There's a lot ofother churches. Don't get me wrong that
they have attendance with men too,But the Apostolic Pentecostal Church, I believe

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is those numbers are are are wayhigher than other places, and I think
there's a reason for that. It'snot just what we feel, it's the
fact of what we know. Andthat's it's just awesome to me too.
Like when you come in here andit is a packed house full of men

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willing to worship God like men cryingtogether, you know, and they can
still be as MACHOs to go outand like fix the car later, but
they're crying together right now. Thatis so awesome to me. It's just
can't be over overstated enough that weneed good godly men in this in this
hour. Yeah, for sure,in most I think in most anominations,
it's true that men are the minority, and a lot of men don't go
to church. Their family may goto church, wife goes to church,

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you know, the kids go tochurch maybe, but the husband doesn't.
And you know, like you said, part of that is maybe emotionalism.
They're they're afraid of that. Itis just emotionalism. They don't want to
be caught up in that. Theydon't they don't like that. Or if
it's just tradition, a lot ofmen don't have time for that. You
know, I've I don't watched thegame where I got providing for my family.

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I work to do. You know, I don't going to go just
for the tradition of it. ButI think when there's something real, then
it's much more more likely that menwould understand on visceral level, like how
important it is like to be agodly man is something completely different than being
a man who's going to church becauseof tradition or who's only there for the

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emotion or whatever. It's a totallydifferent thing. As a man too.
You you need to find purpose foryourself and wherever you are, you want
to be helpful. Like when yourwife asks you to do something, you
don't want her to say, ah, I've got it. No, you're
gonna do it, You're gonna getit done. And I think a lot
of churches that's part of the issue. Is you come, you hear a

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sermon, you are part of aprogram, and then you go home.
And men don't have time for that. Men they want to work, they
want to get something done, andso they find those environments where they can
make a difference and they can haveimpact. And I think the Apostolic Church
doesn't just offer encouragement, but wetell these men go home and make a

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change, go do something about it. And the Pentecostal Church as a whole
offers that that we aren't just hereto listen to a preacher, but we're
here to be encouraged to be liftedup, and then to go and lift
up others right and be given thatencouragement, and to go in to encourage
our co workers, and to pushour house to go farther, to push
our family to go farther. Andthat it's because it's the real it's the

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real thing. And I know therewould be people that would push back against
that, but there's something about whenyou when you get the sword in one
hand and you get the hammer inthe other and you really get into it,
like me and Maya and you youbuild up and that's what that's what
we're all about. We don't wantyou to be a part of a club.
We want you to build something.Oh, I think low expectations is

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in the church at large, anydenomination. I think low expectations from members
is one of the worst things.Uh. And it's it's damaging. It's
causing these churches to shrink for sure. Yeah, it's really causing this country
to be more secular than ever.Probably. I think that's a big part
of it. Is there just there'sno expectation or very low expectations of people

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when when people want to have expectations, they want to have something to rise
up to. They want some kindof challenge to rise up to. They
want to be involved, they wantthey wanted to ask, not what your
country can do for right, whatyou can do. Ask not what your
church can do, but what youcan do hundred percent. We need that.
And I think Brother Ershin, notJoel who preached here, but Nathaniel.

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He has a podcast as well,called the Biblos Podcast, and he
said something in relationship to this.He said, men will go to war,
yeah, one way or another.And he said he felt like that
the decline in men being in churcheswas the fact that they would rather set
at home and watch a football gamewhere men are going to war. They
would rather watch the UFC fight wheremen are going to war. And he

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said the difference with an Apostolic churchis when they get here, we tell
them we're going to war. We'regoing to war in the spirit, but
we're going to war. And whenthese men see, okay, there's something
that my innermost being, the coreof who I am, to protect my
family, to protect my nation,to protect my being itself, the very
core fiber of who I am isin the Apostolic Church because we're constantly telling

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people go to war. This isn'tjust like come in and be entertained and
hear a pretty flowery message. Thisisn't just come in here, and you
know there is no sin. Everybodyloves you. Everyone has saved grace for
everyone. You know, God isgracious and God is love. But with
the element of love, there hasto be an element of correction. And

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you will find that correction which men, whether they will admit to it or
not, they really gravitate to it. That every man at their yet again,
at the core of their being,they want to be corrected. They
want to be better exactly exactly.They want to have that fatherlike figure in
their life. And that's where thatpastor comes in. And it doesn't have

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to be done in such a wayto where you go home and you hate
everybody because you've been you know,berated the entire time. But when it's
done in love and it's done likea father would do, that man goes
home and he's changed, he's touched, and then, like you said,
brother Matthew, he wants to thenimplement that change into others, implement it
into his home, and implement itto those at his workplace. So yeah,

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there's when you have the truth,it just makes sense. And yet
again there will be some that dopush back on that. But for every
person that pushes back, there's onehundred others that are going to be standing
there saying, you know, Idon't understand how I got my sight.
I don't understand how I was Iwas blind, but all I know is

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now I see. And they're goingto say, well, what was the
guy's name that did this? Howcan you argue with the guy who's standing
there that was once blind and nowhe sees and all you're worried about is
well, he did it on theSabbath, right. You know, there
are so many people that are justso caught up in the weeds of well,
well, how are you guys doingit? Why do you guys do

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this and this and that? Justlisten, just come to Jesus, Just
come come, come meet Jesus withus. Yeah. Absolutely, So let's
sort of springboard off of this.Let's say maybe there's a man who's listening
who maybe they've been on the fenceabout whether or not they should go,
whether they should you know, becausesometimes you do you have to take time
off of work, or you haveto plan. Well, you have a

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whole year now as of the releasingof this podcast, you have a whole
year now to plan for Men's conferencenext year. What would in your estimation,
what would be that driving factor fora man to say, Okay,
I'm going to plan this out,I'm going to take the time off work.
Why do you think that person shoulddo that? Well, I think
for everything that we've already been talkingabout. So if I mean, if

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you're a man kind of in thesituation that that is, uh, you
know, maybe struggling at home,maybe struggling to find their place in the
church. Maybe you want, youwant to be involved, but it's just
not quite you know, maybe youdon't know the next step or what to

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do. I think, you know, to me, this this this event,
this conference would be just the catalystof you know, maybe getting the
knowledge, getting the wisdom to goback home, to go to the church,
go back to your home church andkind of have a starting point because

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I know, like you know,even in you know, for me at
the Tabernacle, sometimes it's hard toand to h to know where I fit
in you know what, you know, even everything that I'm involved with,
it's still like that you know,and it's like and I just want to
work for the Kingdom of God anddo you know and use my talents and

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you know, help but it's butit's still it's like so much going on
and you know, you know,and but I think you know, just
get getting the encouragement and getting theperhaps maybe the strength and you know,
the getting built up in this conference. This is the place to do it,
the place to happen. And anyany man that has struggle to find

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that, I think here, youknow, this conference is the opportunity to
help and help you grow and absolutelyhave the knowledge base to go back home
and yeah, improve your life.Yes, sir Well said, well,
I think I think it's also justthe camaraderie you find in other you know,

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other men. So you're all indifferent places in your life. You're
you're not all in the same paththat are the same place on the path,
but you are on the same path. So there's people that are like
a friend of mine I was talkingto in the hallway. You know,
he's just back into church, uh, and he's seeking the Holy ghost.
He's been baptized, and he's arecovering alcoholic and he's got you know,

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an ankle monitor on, like he'sgot a lot of things going on right
now, but he said, I'mjust a baby in this, you know.
So he's trying to learn, he'strying to grow. But there's this
camaraderie with everybody from you know,the guy who's here in church for first
time, who came with a friendto men's conference, to you know,
guys like us who've been many manytimes, many years, and you guys

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you know, involved in leading warshipor playing guitar or leading band all the
way to whether Kinsey or other Ershanor whoever the speaker is. It's like
there's that camaraderie because you are you'rein different places on the path, but
you're on the same path, andit's good to know, not just to
develop relationships, but just the knowledgethat hey, I'm not alone is huge.

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I have to promote this event everyyear, and I'm not promoting directly
to men ever. I'm promoting topastors usually, And so if I could
just continue off of that the event'sover, but it's coming again, I
would say that I would just bounceoff of everything that's being said here and

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say that we have conferences all throughoutthe year and more than ever before.
It used to be in the UBCI, we had a few conferences. Seems
like we got a conference every month. But something like men's conference, where
it's not national, it's it's district, it's within the state of Indiana.
We there's I wish I could thinkof a real biblical precedent for this,

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and if we talked long enough,maybe we could think of something. But
when men come together, something happens, you know. We we find obviously
we find camaraderie with family. Youhave a wife, you have children,
you have a church. But whenmen stand together, I mean you go
to war, you stand with men. Right when you go to court,
you stand with men. When youare in congress, usually you're standing with

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a lot of men. Men standup, they stand together, and when
they do, it's intimidating, andnot just on a spiritual level, but
to show the world we're not done. We're not gonna We're not gonna be
quiet, no matter how much youtry to quiet us down. We're not
gonna be quiet. And when wedo this, it is a slap in

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the face to this modernist idea thatmen just need to find their place and
you step aside and let I knownot everyone would like this statement, but
let women have their moment, letwomen have their hour. I'm sorry.
The Bible's very clear. God callsmen to lead, calls men to lead,
and we need to lead our homesin our churches because it's getting darker

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and it will get even worse.But if men will stand their ground,
it doesn't have to be your house, it doesn't have to be your city
that falls. I would just reallyreally offer the consideration. Just take this,
take a moment to think about themen in your church. Maybe it'll
just be that one moment when they'restanding in the altar with that stranger and

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they link together and something sparks withinthem and they go back home and they
set their church on fire. Andyou, as the pastor, if I'm
talking to a pastor, you willfind that there will be men that will
start forming ranks around you and willstart to follow out after you and will
fight with you, and you don'thave to be alone. And then for

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people who have children, your youth. I'm monitoring the social media, there
was one person who reached out andsaid, is there an age? Is
there a minimum age? I don'tremember exactly what I said. It was
something to the effect of, well, no, I mean, you don't
have to bring your baby, butI mean young men need this more than
ever because again, our society isconditioning them to just be accepting and to

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be loving quote unquote, it's notlove, but young men more than anything.
If we are going, if thisnext generation is going to see the
coming of the Lord, but alsoreach this next generation, men and boys
need to stand up more than everbefore on their school campuses, in their

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churches. They need to be starting. They need to be starting Bible study
clubs at their schools. They needto be preaching, they need to be
teaching. And it comes out ofthese men's conferences. Take it and take
it into consideration. Just take ittwo days out of your year, take
a moment, and allow your menthis opportunity, and allow yourself this opportunity.
He talked about kids and teenagers,and I think it's extremely important for

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teenagers especially because and kids, becausethey're growing in the teenagers right, they're
growing into adult men. But Iwas having a conversation with a young man
who's fifteen. He's turning fifteen actuallyin about a month, and he was
telling me all these regrets, youknow, what he's had. And I
won't go anythy of it or saywho he is, obviously, but he
was talking about things he had donewrong. He goten in trouble for so

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he hadn't he he's just going througha pretty hard time right now. But
he's crying. I mean we're talking. We talked for probably two hours,
and he cried almost the entire time. And he's a tough guy. He's
like acts like a gangster, youknow, and he he's either you know,
with some of his friends acting likethat and I try to act cool
and fit in and be the coolguy, or you know, when he's
a church he's a lot different.But he's living on that in this two

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worlds you know kind of. Andone of things he told me was that
he wants to do us right.And he was telling me how like with
his friends and his cousin, likehe doesn't want to do some of the
things they're doing. They were vaping, for example, and he didn't want
to, but he did because hewanted to fit in. And he didn't
smoke, but he told me hewished that he could tell his cousin to

(30:21):
stop smoking. And his dad andhis stepdad actually that he wishes he could
tell him to stop drinking like thatbecause he thinks it's destroying potentially could destroy
their family, you know, notthere now, but it's it's obvious even
to him at fourteen that that's potential, right, But he's afraid or ashamed
to stand up because he's afraid ofgetting made fun of, afraid of not

(30:42):
fitting in. And with teenagers,you know, the most the most scary
thing in the world is not fittingin. And sometimes you know, it's
tough for adults even to be ableto stand up for, you know,
what they believe in, what's right. And if young men in that age
each and learn to stand up forwhat's right and not given to peer pressure,

(31:03):
that's a huge win for for theirwhole life from there on out.
But it's very difficult, especially whenyou're living, you know, kind of
in between both worlds like that.There's always that going to be a pool
back and forth. I think,you know, I wish I would have
had this when I was a teenager, to be honest, you know,
I grew up in a single parentfamily, and you know, my dad

(31:26):
was out of the picture where Iwas very young, and you know,
I had a lot of on thejob training becoming a man, and you
know, I learned a lot ofhard lessons, and you know, maybe
a conference like this would have wouldhave helped me tremendously. I know it
would have. And to understand whata man is supposed to be and what
a man is supposed to do,and how they're supposed to leave their family,

(31:48):
and how they're supposed to to bea husband to a wife, and
you know, you know, Igrew up in the church and I learned
these things. You pick up thesethings, but it's a conference like this
where it's it's more geared towards that, it's more centered towards that. And
you know, and you take thesethings and you're able to equip yourself to

(32:10):
go back home and become the manthat God called you to be. And
along those same lines, so brotherMatthew was talking about if we talked long
enough, we could find a biblicalprecedent. I'm almost positive brother, we
could find hundreds of them. Andyou're right, it is a biblical concept
for men to come together. Thefirst one that just like resonated in my

(32:31):
soul after everything that you guys havesaid, though, is if you think
about it, Goliath had brothers.Yeah, but Goliath was the only one
that was slain by David. Theother four brothers were slain by David's mighty
men. So those mighty men,I feel the Holy ghost. Those mighty

(32:52):
men were trained under David, notjust by simply here, here's a sword,
but they watched his lifestyle. Youknow, your dad preached on this
the other day's excellent message. I'mnot gonna cry. He uh. It's
so true though, Like when thosefour other giants rose up to try to,

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you know, basically be like,hey, you killed our brother.
We're going to take this out onyou. Guys. It wasn't even David
that lifted up the sword against him, but he had already set the precedent.
He'd already been in the presence ofthose men. He had showed them,
hey, here's how you handle thesword. If I did it,
you can do it. And theneventually came around to where David's son was,

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Absolom, Yes, sir, andAbsolom was finally killed, and David
finds himself weeping over his son andthose very same men that had followed his
example. One of them walks inand says, what are you doing?
Get up? Yeah, go encourageyour men. And so his encouragement and
his example went all the way aroundto where they circle are encouraging him and

(34:00):
pushing him. And that's a men'sconference. I love those guys. That
sounds like Lord of the Rings Narnia. Those guys, they were so uns
here's a cool thing too. Andthis is all tying into a message that
I've had like building up for yearsnow. And when I generation of giant

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killers. Okay, and that swordhad a name. Goliath's sword had a
name, just like Lord of theRings. Every one of those swords had
a name. And David went backlater and took Goliath's sword, but he
never used it. He just broughtit into the camp, stuck it in

(34:43):
the ground and said, look,if I did it, you can do
it too. And then they wentout and they defeated every one of Goliath's
brothers back to back to back,until the entire family of Gath was gone.
The entire family of Goliath's of Gathwas there was no more. That
was the last of that lineage.They had completely wiped out. I'm telling

(35:07):
you that's that's men's conference right there, all of us coming together encouraging one
another. I'm watching you, you'rewatching me, or doing this together.
And that's almost the proof of thepudding for this world. When someone like
your friend that you're talking about,who just got in church and he's just
getting on his feet when he comesinto a room full of men ready to
go to battle against Satan, andhe's like, wow, there's there's something

(35:31):
to this, Like it's not justme. It's not just a couple of
people in a small church in thein the suburbs. It's not just a
couple of people over here in theAnd it reminds me too of the Book
of Acts when when I believe itwas Agrippa that he was talking to and
he said, this thing has notbeen done in a corner. You can't

(35:52):
hide this. So yeah, that'sthat's men's conference. So every one of
you, like your your podcast,the two Pentecostals and a microphone, you
cover like a broad variety of topicsand I love seeing your It's like a

(36:13):
cornucopia where it's like you never know, like what are they going to talk
about? What? Yeah, it'sit's super cool though. I love it
and then like brother Erwood, you'veonly got is it one episode released?
Yeah? I did an interview witha guy that he well, it's so
hard to remember that he is veryyoung. He's going into his junior years.

(36:35):
You say he was fourteen in thatpodcast or fifteen? I think he
was fifteen, Dude, he ishe's the Oh he don't look it.
He looks like he's twenty three.But his like his and articulation and the
way that he do. He's actuallyin a speech competition right now. That's
why he couldn't come today. Hecame last night. Yeah, it was
just talking to him about his testimonybecause he's been a Christian his whole life

(36:57):
quote unquote, but he really becamea Christian last year and we talked about
that journey and that was that wasa lot of fun. So what is
the sort of if you had topin it down, like not necessarily like
a slogan or a but what islike when you put this podcast together?
Obviously like you felt like God inspiredyou maybe to start this, So like

(37:20):
what was your heartbeat behind this podcast? And then we'll move on to two
Pentecostals and a microphone. You guyscan tell us sort of what your what
your heartbeat is? Sure. Solike with men's conference, we're we're tackling
topics and conversations that sometimes are uncomfortablefor a church environment, and we need
to have a men's conference sometimes toaddress some different things. I loved it

(37:45):
last year when Brother Oh who preachedlast year, so the hoffmin some things
he brought up. It's like,you can't, you just can't talk about
those things and a jerk but there. But there are things that we don't
just want to deal with them,we have to deal with them. And
so the burden behind my podcast wasI want to tackle the big questions and

(38:07):
I want to have those tough conversationsand discuss those truths. And I think
i'd say my description basically, whetheryou like it or not, we have
to talk about that. And Ithink it's Jordan Peterson and probably a bunch
of other people that they're They're bigthing they're saying that is conversation is dying
and in our society and it's causingour government, it's causing our our social

(38:31):
structure to fall apart because we're notwe're not talking about anything. Yeah,
we're on our phones all the time. So we're we're kind of talking,
we're becoming consumers. We're not we'renot putting out there. So I wanted
to. I wanted to do whatI could to answer those questions. I

(38:52):
think it was very similar to ourexperience and what we wanted, you know,
I would when we first had theidea to start two Pentecostals and a
microphone, I feel like we're theods in this style of style of podcasting
for the Apostolic church. But everyApostolic, you know, Apostolic podcast out

(39:19):
there was just preaching preaching, andwhich is great, you know, and
I like to listen to it.Yeah, And so it's like there was
no one doing this conversational kind ofback and forth. And I was like,
I want I want that, youknow, this is what I like
to listen to, like, youknow, and so it's like, why
don't we start something, and youknow, and we could we Cherish and

(39:43):
I have very long conversations and youknow, we'd sit out on the porch
at Cracker Barrel and talk for twohours or whatever. Yeah. Right,
so it's just naturally became a podcast. But plus we're too middle aged white
guys. We have to have apodcast, right, but our primary focus

(40:09):
is you know, you said werun the gamut on topics, but it's
it all centers around these three things. It's faith, culture, and theology,
and that's and the intersection really thosethings for sure. That's which explains
why there's such a broad topics becauseit's it's just a broad topic in and

(40:31):
and we did start out with someof those hard topics to discuss. Like
I know, our first episode wascommunication and wow, some of your episodes
are like, wow, they're talkingabout that. We actually got a lot
of hate on our episodes on raceand church and especially on YouTube, and

(40:52):
it was it was interesting because we'regoing to a lot of hate from a
small group of people. But theywere basically saying that because we were white,
we couldn't understand it and we shouldn'ttalk about it. Wow, but
we were. What we were talkingabout was was the need for unity,
you know, like we weren't.It wasn't like which that very comment in

(41:13):
itself was racist and it was exactlymy point. My favorite the thing was
when we somehow they got your address, right, Oh yeah, we got
hate, We got physical hate mail. This friends, when you know you've
made it right. Now, there'ssome weird bearded cult group or yeah,

(41:37):
is it literally something like the Beardor something like that. I don't know
what in their name, Well theycan't. A group like that came to
n A y C. And thatliterally their name and their logo was a
beard. Well no, this guywas the same because they were hating.
They were hating on the U bC I as a whole. Yeah,

(41:58):
same cult stuff. Uh, itmight be this was it was actually his
big thing was we interviewed. Yeah, it was about and it was like,
yeah, her book Gender and Ministryand talk about women in ministry.
And he was just I blew hismind. I guess that's to get some
heads explosion right there. You knowhe was he was not happy, Yeah,

(42:19):
and he let us know. Butyou know, cool whatever. So
for the Pentecostal perspective, my entireinitiative in starting this was I do a
lot of witnessing at work, andI have so quick quick backstory to show
you kind of like why that's mypassion. There was an individual, a

(42:39):
friend of mine I grew up with. We did drugs together. That is
my past BC. Otherwise I wouldn'tbe sitting here God put him in my
path about three or four years afterI've been in church and he was destitute,
depressed. God pricked my heart tellhim about me. This was in

(43:00):
a wal Mart and I thought,God, he's an atheist. He wants
nothing to do with this, thisguy, you know whatever passed up the
opportunity, and I said, God, if you'll put him in my path,
just one more time, I'll saysomething. No, sooner than I
say that he turns the corner.I neglected to say anything again, And

(43:23):
two weeks later I was a pallbearer in his funeral. And so from
that day forward, any time thatGod puts it on my heart someone needs
to hear about I will drop everything. And so witnessing on the job sometimes
it's hard because your boss comes upand you're in the middle of telling someone
about Jesus and you're wanting to lookat him and going, no, you're

(43:45):
not that, I'm about my father'sbusiness, and they're going to be like,
no, you're not, You're you'regoing to be fired, you know.
So, but I get a lotof the almost like these same reoccurring
questions, you know, who isJesus praying to in the garden. What
does the Bible have to say aboutspeaking in tongues? You guys believe in
speaking in tongues? What does theBible say about that? How can you

(44:07):
explain to me the oneness of God? These simple, sort of apologetic style
type questions. I wanted to tacklethem in the sense of instead of making
it like this big, like drawnout, long like theological discussion, I
wanted to simplify it as much aspossible. And on a side note,
my home studio Simplified Channel is allabout simplifying audio at home and getting better

(44:30):
recordings at home, So this wholesimplification process is sort of just like part
of my essence, I guess.But I wanted to simplify theology. I
wanted to simplify these questions in away to where someone can listen to this
on a break. They can listento it on a lunch break or a
fifteen minute break at work and getthe answer to the question that they might
have and hopefully get it in away that's going to make sense to them.

(44:52):
And then every episode has a PDFdownload where they can take and they
can go and download that episode withscripture references, and it's almost like a
Bible study every single time they gofor that. So this was predominantly geared
towards the lost. It's predominantly gearedtowards individuals who may have questions, maybe
they've been in the church for yearsand to understand these things. So it's

(45:14):
kind of a casting my seat outupon broad waters here, But at the
same time, I've got a lotof great feedback from it. So sort
of my heartbeat for this podcast isjust to use it as an evangelical tool
and to hopefully help to answer someof the questions, these common questions that
people have. And I think sometimesif people could understand what we believe a

(45:35):
little bit better, they would walkthrough our doors a little bit easier.
And so that's my whole goal.Your podcast is so palatable, like it's
I mean, like ten minutes isabout the average, Yeah, And I
mean that would be something I wouldwant to put in front of a youth
group or a new convert. Butthe thing is, it's something that we
lack in the apisodic movement is apologetics, and we we don't have a whole

(46:02):
lot of people that are out theredoing that, explaining doctrine and you know,
I know, we have Brother Bernard'sdebates, you know throughout the He
can't be like the only one,you know, the only one doing it.
You know, we need we needmore more people to stand up for

(46:22):
the faith and what we believe inhelping people to understand it. And because
there's a lot of misconceptions and yes, preconceived notions, because you know,
I was that way, and youknow, and I can remember, you
know, I was really close withmy pastor, uh you know, in
the Baptist church, and I wasclose friends with his his son, and

(46:46):
we would you know, often ridein the car together after church or something,
going to dinner, and we passa Pentecostal church and he would make
some kind of remark about it,and you know, don't go there,
don't ever go to the Holy Rollerspeople. You know, their their heretics
was the big one, and that'spretty harsh. And so I grew up

(47:09):
with this, you know, no, you know, and it made it
that much harder to accept, uh, you know, the truth. And
when when it was finally revealed tome, because I had all of these
you know, influences in my lifethat were telling me that this is not
orthodox Christianity. You know, right, And so I think we need more

(47:31):
people that are doing apologetics. Andit's I like the short format too,
because like me and Bryce saw Foreverand on ours and it's like kind of
meandering conversation, which has its placed, but the nice short concise answers that
I've had people ask me like,how do I explain this to somebody several
times and recently, and one wasabout uh baptism and the Holy Ghost both.

(47:57):
But I mean, of course wecan do a stack of bullk books
on the topic, and that's great, and that's usually our answer is right
exactly, yeah, and and andfor some Brian, for Bryce, that
was a great option because he didhe read the stack of Brother Bernard's books.
But most people aren't like that,and it's great to be able to
send them. Hey, listen tothis podcast link if you have more time.
This one's also great with the Bernardbut it's an hour, this one

(48:22):
short concise. I really like that, and I've been sending links to people.
I really like what you have.Just started this initiative of getting all
of those apostolic podcasts together, likelumping them together on a Spotify playlist.
Dude, that's that's brilliant. Sothat's that. That's a podcast I'm planning
to launch here in the next fewweeks Apostolic Art, and we we have
a Facebook page and group and stufflike that Instagram, but we're I want

(48:45):
it because I think it's important forApostolic people to be creative. I think
part of being a big part ofbeing made an image of God is the
fact that God is the creator andhe made us to be creative. So
I really I want to highlight that. That's the purpose of that podcast.
So everything from you know, musicto writing books to you know, fine

(49:06):
art and people who are you know, like Bryce who does uh what do
you call it? Like cartoons?I mean you were like a cartoonist basically,
right, and he does all kindsof cool art stuff. But all
this, all this stuff I thinkis cool and important and and it's important
to know the Apiostolic people are doingit. But then, you know,
podcasting it's a creative thing too,Like there was not a podcast called Dependent

(49:28):
Alstal Perspective, and now there is. And there was not the Matthew erwod
podcast and now there is. Likewe're creating, We're creating things and putting
them out on the world. Absolutely, So yeah, those podcasts play or
those Spotify playlists are a way tolike know, like, here's a bunch
of apst like worship artists, here'sa bunch of apps like prayer music.
Here's a bunch of apostolic podcasts,and then we did we end up separating

(49:49):
those out. So there's a preachingpodcast list too, yes, and on
the on the preaching and the podcastplaylist, we're not really doing like necessarily
best episodes are our favorite episodes.Is more like like here's one recent episode
of every apps like podcast that wecan find out about, right, and
then you can go to that whistleand then then yeah, you kind of
familiarize yourself with with that. Soyeah, that's a great idea trying to

(50:12):
promote that and that that actually goesalong with what's been preached here about blessing
one another and building one another up. And so you were putting that into
practice even before Men's conference, tryingto So that's that's awesome. I think
it's important too because it's hard tofind sometimes it's hard to find information,
like how do you know because it'snot always in the title, like Pentecostal

(50:32):
perspective, or do pentocossles on amicrophone? Of course that could be any
kind of Pentecostal podcast, right,And it's sometimes it's hard to know that
it is what it is. Andalso with Apostolic creators, it's hard sometimes
to get attention in the larger ChristianChurch because like with wood Song Publishing,

(50:53):
we've I think we tried to joinlike the Christian Publishers Association, couldn't do
it because we wouldn't affirm the Trinitariandoctrine. And the same thing with Christian
artists or music artists. It's likeyou you wouldn't qualify for a double ward,
no matter how great. Would thatbe considered segregation? I mean it
really probably racist. I wasn't gonnasay I foresee, yes, well they

(51:22):
only have my address. Yeah,but we're talking about the tough questions,
right, it is you know itis you would think that would be I
don't know, maybe not I legal, but I think it's kind of well
that's no, it's it's it goescompletely against the Constitution. Well you would

(51:42):
think, I mean, we havea second Amendment right freedom of speech.
That's not the second person first Amendmentright freedom of speech. We do have
a Second Amendment, by golly,and we're gonna get there. I'm gonna
take my order Second Amendment, theKingdom of Heaven suffereth violence, the Double
Awards for Wow. If I cansay one we're thinking, I just I

(52:07):
think one thing. I always goback to James Wilson what he said in
North American Youth Congress years ago,where he basically said, what's with us
all doing? You know, doingall this music that's been written by these
other groups? Why aren't we writingour own music? And And I think
part of the way that we're gonnasolve this as saturation, you know,

(52:29):
more people need to get involved withthis. Yeah, that's good. That's
going to be new artists, newyoung, young people writing. It seems
like there's a group of people thatare trying to do that, like Sandy
Creek Music or something. Is thatthe ing of that? That's true?
Actually, yeah, that's exciting.We got a couple of releases. Have
you heard those three new songs?I've heard Natam, I haven't heard the

(52:52):
one song. And then there's there. There's some good stuff overall, but
the one song besa that's killer.It's really and it's like you know,
the meeting meeting at the at thewell, I mean at the pool,
and it's that story. But it'slike I'll be your bethesta, you know.
But it's so so good, it'sfire. I can't wait excited to

(53:17):
good stuff. And what I meanI know we're in some Haitian creole songs.
Yeah we got and eventually the theTwernacle Worship Team will record and once
we get that hashed out. Butwait, there's more, right, so
all the things right, Absolutely,Calvary is going to be recording an album.

(53:40):
Oh they are at the end ofthis year. Yeah, I think
September or something like that. Soare playing I don't know. It's exciting.
And then is the new IBC albumavailable now on streaming or not not
yet? No, it just didthe live recording recently. So yeah.
So just to sort of wrap thingsup here to let's get one last word,

(54:04):
maybe a word of encouragement for ourlisteners, because you're not always going
to be on my podcast. Itwould be nice for you to maybe speak
something into my listeners, and Iwill intend to do something as well,
so I'll sort of kick this off. If you are listening to two Pentecostals
in a microphone. I can tellyou unashamedly that these are two very good

(54:25):
Christian men. They have very goodmorals and ethics. They live what they
believe, they believe what they live, and so anything that you're going to
hear on their podcast, I guaranteeyou it will edify you in one way,
shape or form, and you mighteven get to laugh a little.
And there's nothing wrong with that.I think we should we should be men

(54:45):
and women of happiness. Brother Erwood. I know that you've only released one
episode as of yet, but thefirst episode that you've released I listened to
it twice. The first time Ilistened to it because I was just listening
to it. The second time Ilistened to it because I dove into the
meat of what that young man wassaying. And you're conversational. Just the

(55:09):
way that you brought those questions outof him, I really think it's going
to be a benefit to the Kingdomof God, and I hope that you
continue to do it because it's somuch needed to And I would even venture
to say that you gave that youngman a platform and a voice that he'd
been looking for for a long time. Well, I would just like to

(55:30):
say to all the listeners of Pentecostalperspective, there's no one better than Brother
McLellan. He definitely has a heart, and he has a heart for the
lost, and he has a heartfor the broken, and you know,
just seeing seeing his ministry grow atthe Timernacle has been an incredible thing.

(55:51):
And you know, I've been thinking, like for myself, you know,
I've been involved with you know what, it's not necessarily a compete ministry,
but it's a it was a competingday, you know, and it's like,
how could I, you know,help Brother McLellan in this ministry.
And you know, maybe now thatwe moved to Wednesday, I might have

(56:13):
a you know, a better opportunityto But but it's been it's been incredible
to see your journey at the Tabernacleand I know everything you've been through in
the past and and what what hashappened, you know, as far as
you know, changing churches and whatwhat kind of an impact that was on
you and your family and you know, and just seeing you blossom and grow

(56:38):
and you know, we absolutely loveyou being a part and I love you
being a part of the band,and you bring a whole new you know,
we joke around about you know,I don't have court yard. I
have to bring it up, no, uh I you know, the the

(56:59):
rigid coord chart and the tracks.You know, I fought so hard to
get get away from it, youknow, and you know I gave it
a little bit with the click tracks. But so say, I just showed
up in just the right time toinject that extra added We don't need court
charts. No, I'm just kidding, be free. No, but I

(57:22):
definitely definitely appreciate you being a partof the church, and I know your
listeners, and like we've already said, you know, there's such a need
for apologetics in the Apostolic Church.And you know, and that concise brief

(57:43):
descriptions that you give, they're they'rehighly detailed, but you know, you
do you present it in such away that is, you know, it's
patable to anybody, and and youknow, maybe those that are just curious
about well and why why do wespeak in tongues? And what's what's tongues

(58:04):
all about? And you know,you you can go and you can read
Brother Bernard's books, or you canyou know, watch his videos or ever
Bet you know, maybe you justneed that brief quick view, you know,
trying to understand it, and Ithink you do such a great job
with that. I would say asfar as Pentecostal perspective goes, uh,

(58:25):
it's been I already said this earlier, I think, but it's been very
valuable for me to send episodes topeople like that need that short explanation and
not just that. I it's notthat necessarily that we can't explain it,
but it's nice to have another voicetoo, like, yeah, this is
you know, it's it's a seriouspodcast that's very well done, is respectable.

(58:46):
You know, you send a linkand it sounds good, it looks
good, and and that you knowwhat you're talking about. You're very concise
with it. So it's been veryvery valuable. So yeah, we definitely
it's very useful. I appreciate thatthere's always as theres always new people coming
into the church too. Of course, we're teaching home Bible studies, we're
doing things like Next Steps class,and there's all these things that we're doing

(59:07):
that are necessary. But I thinkthis extra stuff, this auxiliary stuff,
like the Pentecostal perspective, is extremelyimportant because they need more than just you
know, Bible, studying a bagor exploring God's word or next Steps class
or whatever. They need more voicesspeaking into their life. They need more,

(59:28):
maybe sometimes more explanation, those short, concise explanations. Maybe sometimes they
need to dive in and read everybook Brother Nard ever wrote like Bryce did.
But it's all it's all very necessaryand we and we appreciate that.
But again, you can trust whereyou're hearing from Brother McClellan because he is
well researched and knows what he's talkingabout and and has that heart for people

(59:52):
and for people who knew God.So it feels in the Brother Airwoods.
I don't Brother Matthew Airwood is.I don't even know what to say about
him. He's he's just like oneof the most talented people. I mean,
honestly everybody. I'm I'm not exaggerating. It's like at the school I

(01:00:15):
teach just part time at Sandy CreekChristian Academy where Brother Airwood was last year,
and everybody loves Brother Airwood. Everybodymisses Brother Airwood. It's uh,
you know, I joke about tryingto fight the Calvary security guys to get
him back, but I'm only halfwayjoking if I thought I could take him.
But there are three of us.Those are several big guys. I

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don't know. I don't know,so you pull better, but it's all
the time. But he is,he's super talented. And anybody who knows,
anybody who's been to District Men's Conferencein Indiana seemingly worship where somebody has
been at Calvary or at CCS orSandy Creek the church or the school.
I mean, everybody knows. Butif you're listening to podcast and you don't

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know who he is, I cantell you he is a young man who
is very much in love with God, very much knows who he is and
what he believes, and is extremelytalented. And I've seen him and his
wife as well, and I've seenhim do amazing things already. So anyway,
listen to this podcast definitely gets tostamp approval from us, and I

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can't wait to see what comes next. Absolutely, And you know, I'll
just add to that. You know, Matthew, I know I'm older than
you, but you've always been someoneI looked up too, because I You're
like an anomaly in the PK world, because every pastor kid I've ever,

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you know, most of them I'vemet are no longer in church and no
longer a part of what, youknow, what their fathers have, you
know, started, And to me, it's a rare thing to see a
pastor's kid just bloom like you haveand blossom like you have, and it's

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it's an incredible thing. You comefrom a very rich heritage in the Absoalic
Church, and it's just it's anincredible thing to see you continue that.
And and then you know, thosethat are going to listen to your podcast,
I you know, they they oughtto know that you are the real
deal. And you know you youwere your emotions on the sleeve. You

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are who you are, and it'sit's an it's an incredible thing. I
don't know how you look up tome, because I look up to you
guys. And you know, Jaredithand Bryce have both been like I've known
I've known you, I mean Bryce, jaredth I've known you longer, but

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like it's now, I just thinkof you two together and all the cool
stuff that you do together and hearingwhat you guys do on your podcast,
but all also seeing what you dooutside of the podcast. I mean,
because there's a lot of stuff thatpeople don't know that you guys do behind
the scenes, and the conversations thatyou have behind the scenes, and the
love that you show behind the scenes. And I've gotten to see a lot

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of that. And I can tellanybody that would want to think about listening
to that podcast or your podcast,that you are you're hearing from people that
have a deep love for God andthat one that has been found not just
through tradition but through seeking. Imean, you've you've heard, if you
haven't heard Bryce's testimony, unbelievable,the journey that you've taken to get to

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where you are. That you've studied, you've searched books, but you've also
searched your heart. You've searched theWord of God, and you've searched in
prayer. And then Jaredith here inyour testimony and what you've shared is beautiful.
So if you want something that's real, listen to two Pentecostals and a
microphone and then the Pentecostal perspective.You know, I haven't known you very

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long, right, And part ofthat is my fault because I left and
I could have known you. Icould have known, I've know you better.
But in the very short amount oftime that you all came in and
I started getting to know you,all I could see was this is this
is somebody, and this is afamily that is dedicated to the Kingdom of
God. And you love him andyou love people, and you truly are

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a reflection of the Shemah, andyou are a perfect reflection of what God
intended for his people to be.And so if you want that, and
you know, I have kind ofthose default crash courses that I look for
on YouTube too, you know,to try to get an idea of a
topic before I dive into it.And I used to have other things that

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I listened to that I would suggestto people, but not anymore, because
yours is it's not just a crashcourse either, because you go into you
go in depth in ten minutes.I don't know how that's possible, but
you do, and very very understandable, and you walk away and go man,
I never thought about that. Oneof my favorite ones was when you
talked about the man next to Christon the cross, and never really heard

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anyone going that deep into that scenario, and people usually kind of brush past
it. They're like, oh yeah, yeah, there's that, and that
was different, that was special,but you got into it and that was
beautiful. So if you need agood podcast, to listen to Pentecostals and
a Microphone in The Pentecostal Perspective amazing. Thanks again for listening to two Pentecostals

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