Music Is Everything Starring Sean “Pen” Mcmillion

Music Is Everything Starring Sean “Pen” Mcmillion

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Do we have a problem.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, I didn't make so so we play against.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Say I would move to.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
The baby, I would extra.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Appointments, zucase dos.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Hey, Hey, hey you guys. Yes, we made it back
in here another Thursday's New In case you haven't been
watching for a while, We're on Thursdays now instead of Sundays.
But you guys give it up for twenty twenty vision
because we live baby. Yes, So you guys know how

(01:27):
I like to do before I get started, like to
give my shout outs. You know, I was crazy total
last time I didn't shout out LA. I don't know
what I was thinking, you know, the wildfires and all
of that. I know, I was just I'm just a
crazy girl. But definitely shout out LA. I like the
way we recovered and I and that we were recovering,

(01:48):
and I like the fact that we all showed up
for each other. I went and volunteered a few times
over in Pasadena. So I really like hello along Gray
Day and Corey.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I like how LA came together and did that. That's
you know, it was sad when I I mean, I
felt sorry for the people, but when I saw them
walking down the street, with their animals.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I was like, save the babies.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I don't know if this was like an old video
they showed, but it was like a horse that went
back to get the other horse. Was that an old video?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
I saw that.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I don't know if it was that one brought tears
to my eyes. I'm gonna push over it. I was like,
oh my god. Definitely they yes, they do, Yes, they do.
I love horses. I definitely want to give give a
shout out to my son Joshua Rockmand Bruce Rest in Heaven.
You know, it's actually coming up on the anniversary of

(02:49):
you know, when March to first. When he transitioned last year,
I was like not really able to get out of
the bed, but you know, me to miss telepathy. He
was able to come visit me in the spirit and
he was like, Mom, we talked about this, like, you know,
you know I'm here. I'm not you know, Dad is
no such thing. But I'm in spirit now. So anytime

(03:11):
you want to talk to me, anytime you want to
commune with me, I'm right here. So did you forget
I'm like, yeah, well it don't feel it feels really
bad right now. But the last thing he left me
with on that day, he said, do what makes you happy,
and if it doesn't make you happy, don't do it simple,
you know, And I was like, wow, that's like the
Ten Commandments kind of wrapped in one, you know, because
love is happiness, you know, and that's what it comes

(03:33):
down to. So shout out to him. But him and
my other son made a mixtape before they passed called
play a Shit. It's a homage to their father that
passed as well. He used to walk around me like, yeah,
we want some play a Shit. So they made a
whole mixtape called play a Shit. So I'm sure we
got something from that. Can we play there right quick,

(03:53):
Tony right here?

Speaker 6 (03:56):
You know, it's bragging all night.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Dam with allow.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
With doing a few laps around a bitty and a bizo.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
We was hopping up pivoting in our kids off mixtape,
jumping out the trunk like Nipto, all black, Batmos bill,
no rental, all white, bitch, got the tricks gone then on,
I just ri I got our brick on.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
I might let the bitch shot their captures.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Step C Yeah, I say, I said, yes, okay, I
think we got another shout out. Oh, shout out to
White Pete DRASKI. That's uh my other son, and that's
the h that's who they did the collab with. Then
my other son Malik, and he is such a musical genius,
but he doesn't want to have anything to do with it.

(04:47):
And this is why I think, this is what I believe,
beyond him being shy and being a Capricorn. They grew
up in the studio with me, and then he was
the youngest, so he was a small baby, and I
used to in a touring choir, and like we, I
would have to have him with me, and so in
order for him to not cry and act a fool
in the audience, I would have to put him on

(05:09):
stage with me and turn his carry off facing the
whole choir. And as long as we was singing, he
was good. You know, go figure. He came out with
perfect pitch. His ear is ridiculous. He can play any
instrument by ear, but he doesn't want to have anything
to do with it. But shout out to you, Malik.
I I call him Jadjuleika, all three of them together.
So shout out to my sons. Give hi my head

(05:30):
can tell. All right, So y'all know Lash. Last Saturday,
the NAMN show was in town and I had the
Ladies on the on the show, the Ladies, we did
the Lady of Soul tribute show. There was a sha
Ka Khan, there was an Aretha Franklin, there was a

(05:52):
Whitney Houston, of course, and there was a uh Tina Turner,
Aretha Franklin and chare mm hmmmm hmm. So we did
the tribute show. It was a I mean, we had
a ball. It was wonderful. The audience was led, the
show was beautiful, the stage was dope, it was just everything.

(06:13):
And I got to play my favorite person in the world,
Whitney Houston. It was such a dream. If we have
a little something for that, don't it's kind of long,
so just show a little bit of to the people
what we did.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Hey, hey, hey me, yay me.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
We can show. We'll show more later if we have time. Tony,
I got a couple of TikTok videos I want to
get to. So without further ado, run those tik talk videos. Yeah, baby,
I'm glad they stayed. I'm really glad TikTok's Sday.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Yeah me too.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay, whatever, have you.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
Got the nerve to stand there and expect that you don't.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Want to marry my son for it's lower my end?

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Then what do you want to marry him for?

Speaker 9 (07:14):
I want to marry him for your money?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
There, it's really oh.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
LAURALI you see, that's why we have to have this consent.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Silly.

Speaker 10 (07:22):
Well, at least we're getting down the brash tags.

Speaker 9 (07:25):
You admit that all your after is willing.

Speaker 11 (07:27):
No, I don't. Aren't you funny?

Speaker 12 (07:31):
Don't you know that a man being rich is like
a girl being pretty.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
You might not marry a girl.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
Just because she's pretty.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
My goodness doesn't need help.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
And if you had a daughter, wouldn't you rather she
didn't marry a poor man? You'd wanted to have the
most wonderful things in the world and to be very happy.
But why is it wrong for me to want those things?

Speaker 10 (07:54):
Well?

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I can see that.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
Say they told me you were stupid.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
You don't sound stupid.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Hey, Sean. Most men don't like it. Most men don't
like it, Sean. Can you hear me? Can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (08:19):
At uh huh?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Most men don't like it. I could be smart when
it's important, but most men don't like it.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
I like smart girls, do you I do.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Okay, We're gonna get into relationship stuff too, so I'm
gonna see if you gonna still keep that same energy.
Mm hmmm, huh.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
I'm consistent.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, what what did you?

Speaker 11 (08:42):
What did you?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
What do you feel about what she said in regards
to I know it was me, but like the original
she was like, having a pretty woman is like having
a man with money. It's like it's you don't marry
them for being pretty with deem and it helps. Like,
what do you feel about that in real life? In
real life?

Speaker 6 (08:59):
That is?

Speaker 4 (09:00):
That is.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
The issue with that is that girls are marrying for money.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
U and men are not marrying for looks. You don't think, no, no, no,
not looks.

Speaker 9 (09:14):
They're not marrying for even men marrying for look Yeah,
I mean girls are all making themselves look the same,
So that's kind of It's kind of okay.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
But then and and if the men didn't like to look,
then they wouldn't be getting married.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
That's not true because plenty of ugly married women in
the world.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Oh my god, you said that she's beautiful, she's.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
H be the the five sixes and fours they ride
out forever.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Okay, then they're marrying for convenience and safety.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Or connection, which is what you should be getting married.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I mean, but you the first thing that you're going
to see is the beauty of a woman. And stop
acting like you're not visual. Your wife was beautiful. Be quiet,
you know what? Okay? Okay there.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
Inside Hey, well that's why it's what it is now.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
But at first, whatever you smile, you messed up. That's
what you just said.

Speaker 11 (10:16):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Okay, all right, we got one more, Tony, Okay, run
this one.

Speaker 11 (10:24):
Did you hear about our basketball game? What happened? We
lost again?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Sorry?

Speaker 12 (10:28):
We lost to a Christian homeschool Okay, well, all because
they cheated.

Speaker 11 (10:31):
They cheated, Yes, they cheated. How did they cheat? They
had Jesus on their team.

Speaker 12 (10:34):
Okay, I can guard Joey all day, but you know
who I can't guard. Okay, I think Okay, at this point,
every time a player got hurt, he was fine the
next play. Well that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Jesus was healing them.

Speaker 12 (10:43):
Do you understand he was hiding under the bleachers, just
laying his hands on him. So you really need toders
if they're like we got school spirit I'm like, yeah,
you also have the Holy Spirit over they're praying the
Lord is my shepherd. Yeah, he's also your shooting guard.
So we don't know what they were praying for. Listen,
I'm assuming points because they scored eighty four of them.
An excuse me?

Speaker 11 (11:00):
And Joey is all like, we beat you. I'm like,
you ain't beat us. Well, you know, kids beat us.
Actually they know. Jesus may love all the little children
of the work. He also loved the hoop. You guys lost.
He's good, You're ridiculous, real good. Listen.

Speaker 12 (11:11):
God might have created the heavens and the earth on
day one, but on day two he shots the foul shots.
I promise you that you can't be a sword.

Speaker 11 (11:16):
Dad said.

Speaker 12 (11:17):
He heard the coach say after the game, I want
to thank God. So that right there tells you that
they were playing something sneaky.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
With him, that he's so cute. Oh my god, that's hilarious.
What are you gonna do when Jesus is on your side?
If I am for you, there who can be against you?

Speaker 10 (11:41):
Right?

Speaker 9 (11:43):
I used to always wonder that though when I used
to look at sports, has to be like if everybody,
if both teams have Jesus, then you know God has
to kind of like.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Stay out of it, right.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I don't know, like, are they both praying to him though, I.

Speaker 9 (11:55):
Mean that's what I'm saying. They have the team chaplains
and all that stuff. They're all that going on, and Okay,
I didn't know.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I feel like it'd be kind of unfair for him
to pick.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I mean, God is adjust God, so whatever he say goes.
I mean, you know he'll I mean if they played
the better game, they played the better game and God
gave us everything to do. So so you're like, well,
good job, y'all. Used y'all skills, y'all God given skills
that I gave y'all, y'all use them very well, superbly.

(12:28):
That little boy is so cute. Do you know the
original I can't think of his name, but he does it.
He's a comedian now, he goes, he tours all over,
does stand up comedy. But he's another one that excuse me,
got his start on TikTok and he does the work,
the voiceovers, and it's him and then it's him as
a little boy, and he has like this whole page

(12:49):
full of those things that you just saw and so
everyone goes back and you know, does the you know,
the voiceover acting. Yeah, but he's good. I love his content.
Who do we have to thank for that one? Tony?
That is I'm gonna try to say mummy, m u
m m y a night in a or a n
I t A mummy a night shout out to you,

(13:11):
mummy a night. Thank you for the content. Keep sending
you guys, keep sending your stuff in. I don't think
I don't listen, watch and look. I get stuff in
my Instagram inbox as well as my TikTok and my Facebook.
So I love it. Keep sending content. I'm gonna keep
showing it and you two can go viral. But you know,

(13:32):
without further ado, this is like one of my favorite
favorite favorite and I know I say this all the time,
but one of my favorite shows music is Everything starring
Sean pen macmillian. You know, I usually I come from
the top of my head because I usually know my guests,
and I know I know Sean too is no exception,
but I usually come from the top of my head.

(13:52):
But there is so much much that this man has
done in conjunction with his production team and his business partner.
I have to read. I have to actually read some
of these things just so that I don't want to
do it any disservice. So Sean pymcmillion, multi platinum producer, songwriter,

(14:14):
and one half of the acclaimed production Dueo The Exclusives.
Based in Atlanta, Georgia, Sean was born and raised in Miami, Florida,
where his early exposure to the rich musical culture of
the city sparked his lifelong passion for music. A dynamic
force in the music industry, Sean has worked with some

(14:34):
of the biggest names in the game, building an extensive
catalog chart topping hits that have solidified him. I'm Sorry
solidified his reputation as one of the most influential producers
of his generation. Sean journey to success begin with the
release of his groundbreaking first hit record, I Love This

(14:55):
Shit I'm Gonna Say the whole title received widespread critical
acclaim and it featured powerhouse appearances from August Asina, Chris Brown,
and Trey Songs. This collaboration not only put Sean on
the map, but also marked the beginning of a prolific

(15:16):
career that would see him and his partner Ralph gentry
shout out Ralph Yay collectively rack up and Impressive, nineteen
gold records, twelve platinum records, three Grammy nominations, and five
Billboard Number one hits. It is it four?

Speaker 8 (15:32):
Now?

Speaker 11 (15:33):
Is it four?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Since then?

Speaker 11 (15:35):
But no?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
No, okay, okay. So I just want to skip down
to you have a list of your gold and platinum.
I want to just name some of them for your
just for your gold alone. You have porn Star. Who
is that? By August? I've seen a porn star? Gold Slugs,
Testimony is that's the album? The album with gold, No Love,

(16:01):
make it Home, Kissing on my tattoos? I love this
shit song cry Numb Ghetto? Do you Mine? Major Key,
the album My Own Lane, the album Remember Me, the
album I Don't Get Tired, Luca Brasi two albums, okay,

(16:21):
and then Seen It All album? So all those went
gold and the ones that's the album, the whole album
would go. Okay, just to clear this, you know, keep
it clear, all right. So it's seventeen gold certifications, and
then now let's go to the platinum testimony album No
Love two times, I Love this shit two times platinum,

(16:43):
Do You Mine? Three times platinum, Major just.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Four times platinum last week?

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh wow, okay, see an update. Four times platinum now
Major I'm sorry, do you mine?

Speaker 8 (16:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
And then Major Key the album went platinum. I Don't
Get Tired two times platinum. Luca Brasi to the album
two times platinum. So that's twelve platinum, actually thirteen platinum
certifications all right now? Billboard number ones testimony the album
I Love This Shit, and Major Key the album I
changed a lot the album and Scooch Now who's that?

(17:18):
That's is that?

Speaker 6 (17:20):
Autist?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Michelle Scoot shout out k Michelle, yes, h five number one,
number ones on the Billboard charts. Huge, huge, huge huge,
And two of them or three of them are albums.
That's number ones. That's just huge. That's not just a single,
you guys. And then Grammy nominations the Best Rap Album
for the Roots, undone, Best Rap Album, Major Key, DJ Kalett.

(17:45):
And then we had we did the Billboard Music Award nominations,
Major Key, We did BT Music Awards. We love BT.
We love the BT Music Awards. They are they are
the they're still the most lit.

Speaker 11 (17:58):
You know, what is it?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Award show that we have? I think I changed a
lot that was nominated for BT Music Awards. The whole
album was the Soul Train Music Awards nominations was Major
Key album. And then I just really want to read
all of the artists that you work with, and it's
a lot you guys, so hold on to your hat,
but I'm gonna name them all. Sean Penn has worked

(18:22):
with Betty Wright. That was his first, that was his mentor.
And we're gonna get into that story in just a second.
Snoop Dogg, DJ Kalitt Lloyd, Lil Wayne J. Holliday, shout
Out Jay, Nicki, Minaj, Hey Nikki, I didn't know that
you know this, my girl, Sammy Nipsey Hussle, you know,
stand up La, Lenny Williams, The Roots, Blal Carmen Usher,

(18:47):
Juicy J, Chris Brown, Stally Current. Okay, so this money
right currency?

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Duh?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Sorry? Currency, Rick Ross, GZ, Demi Lovado, Trey Songs, DJ Drama,
Ty Dala I like him a lot Tydalla, Tammy Rivera,
Waka Flaka Trinidad, James Wile Kurk, Kole Bangs, Roscoe, Dash Sage,
The Gemini, Yogatti, b O b K, Michelle, Kevin Gates,
Flow Rider one twelve, Meek Meal, push a T Fabulous

(19:19):
Kid Ink Fettie Wop, Jeremiah J Cole, Jada Kiss, Anthony Hamilton.
It's one of my favorite singers in the world. Miguel Future,
Uh seventh Streeter, Keith sweat Leyton Green, Zaye Maleik, Snooty Wilde,
Keisha Cole Plies Problem Day twenty six, Angie Stone and
how dare he forgot to mention a mirror the songstre

(19:43):
Come on, give ahead? How you gonna name all the
greats and not?

Speaker 6 (19:50):
I'm just tell some people I just did not put
put on.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Oh god, Oh my god, you guys give a warm
twenty twenty Vision. Welcome to the legend himself, the legend
living legend, singer, songwriter, producer, writer, artist himself, Sean Penn.
And we call him Pen because he is the pen.
He got that Pen mcmillion, also known as He's So Rude.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Thanks do you? Thank you so much for having me
kind shit.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
So the secret is this is not your first time here.
You were one of our first guests when we started
twenty twenty Vision March twenty twenty, yep, And that.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Was my first interview that I had ever done.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Actually, oh my god, Oh my god. That's bananas. That's bananas.

Speaker 11 (20:42):
But you're good at it.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
I mean, this is a natural thing for you. We
talk all the time.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Run around my mouth, that's what I do.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah. So I like the blue light that you chose.
It looks good. I like everything.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
I know that the other one was a little brighter.
It looked a little intense.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
That's cool, though, that's cool. Want to I want, well,
first of all, this is a catch up with you
because you've done obviously so much more from the last
time we spoke, not that you hadn't done a lot,
but even more so, we want to catch up with
what's going on now. But I do want to take
them back. I really want to talk about your relationship

(21:20):
as well as your working relationship with the late great
Betty White. I know personally and some of some of
our old school audience, they know that you worked and
where you were under Betty writes tutelage. You told me
so many wonderful and compelling stories in the studio about

(21:42):
Betty Wright herself. I didn't know she was the monster
that she was when it comes to writing vocals, and
even like her voices on some of the most phenomenal
hip hop songs that we have to this day. I
didn't know any of these things about her, but one
of the things that was very special to me is
when you how you told me you stayed in her

(22:03):
face until she took you on as a producer, actually
as a writer first. And so can you tell me
about that journey or tell the audience about the journey?
How you know you just kept showing up. Can you
give give us a little bit about that?

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (22:19):
Yeah, no, absolutely, that's exactly what happened. I actually met
Betty right when I was twenty years old and I
was working with her godson originally in music, and that's
how I kind of met her.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
I was invited.

Speaker 9 (22:38):
I got the fortunate chance to be invited to her
writing camp when she started it, which was called the
Most Mountains of Songs Today, Mountain of Songs Today, And
she ended up asked me to come to that writing
camp and I was really bad.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
That wasn't great.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 9 (22:59):
I used to get I used to hear audible groans
when I was selected to work with somebody.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Like who was like who the other producers or the
person you were chosen to work with the hardest you
were chosen to work with.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
It was other writers, you know, Oh my god, and
it was and it was completely understandable. I wasn't. I wasn't.

Speaker 9 (23:21):
I just really got started in writing, and I was
around some of that. I still believe some one of
the most talented writers have ever encountered in life. And
there was a camp of them. It was ten ten
people and I was, you know, happened to be number
eight in that group. And so we met every Tuesday
and we would write songs like she would give us
a signment or a Paris off and we would have

(23:42):
to come back and perform the songs in an hour
and a half.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
And like I said, I sucked. But uh, I asked her.
I said, you know, miss me, I said, this Tuesdays
is not enough for me, Like I need to like
I would like to.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
Learn more from you and you know, get more. And
she was like, well, you know, I never mentored anybody before,
and I was like, yeah, you know, but I was asking,
like and so she she didn't really give me a
committee like I'll do it, but she didn't tell me
I couldn't come on other days other than Tuesday. So
I came Wednesday, and I came Thursday, I came Friday.

(24:20):
I came every day, and ironically what happened was I.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
I had to miss a day.

Speaker 9 (24:28):
I didn't have any gas money to put in my
my stepdad's truck, and my cell phone was off. My
metro PCs and give me all the rip that's my
Metro PCs was off. I didn't pay the bill, and
so I stayed home that day. And it was a
Friday and my mom was home. And when I was

(24:49):
at my mom's house and she said, there's a phone
call for you, it's it's Betty right, I was on
my house phone.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
I was like, okay, let me take the phone. So
I was like, hey, dumb. She was like, yeah, I
wonder when you come in today.

Speaker 9 (25:02):
And I was like, oh, Mama, I don't have any
money to put gas and my phone's dudes, I'm trying to,
you know, figure out, you know, wait around to figure
out something, you know.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
And she was like, well, if you come by the house,
I'll give you a few dollars if you know. And
I was like, oh, no, you don't have to do that.
She was like, no, come come by. So I came by.

Speaker 9 (25:19):
She gave me a check for one hundred and fifty
dollars what And I paid my phone bill, put some
gas in my mom car. And that's when I realized
she had liked having me around.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah, were you doings for her at first?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Oh? Yeah I did?

Speaker 9 (25:34):
Oh yeah, I paid all my dudes. I was almost
like a personal assistant. I worked in her office, which
ended up being a job for me for four years.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
I worked in her office. Wow, anything that she needed done?
Can you run to the bank and get this? Hey?
Can you run to the grocery store and grab this? Hey?
Could you whatever she needed of me? I was there.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
I was at service because I was getting a million
a million dollars worth of game from one of the
greatest to ever do it as artists.

Speaker 6 (26:03):
And as a writer.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
That's right, that's right. So tell me really quick, who
whose songs? What hip hop songs? Do we hear? Betty
writes vocals.

Speaker 9 (26:13):
On Okay, I'll start with, well, yeah, she's been stepping,
so I want to say hip hop.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
She's just been sampled a lot. Start with uh, Mary J. Blige,
real love. Yeah that intro that's clean up woman.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
But Betty right, oh yeah, that is clean up woman.
Oh my god, Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Color me bad? Was it calling me bad? I want
to sex you up? I want to sad to night by?

Speaker 3 (26:44):
That is that I won't to say. So they just
that's just like they just want to raise the temple.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
To She ended up suing them for publishing on that
and winning.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, yes she should.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
And then she did what was she Oh.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
Yeah, Beyonce Upgrade You, which is actually Bettery Right's first
hit record. She was thirteen years old when she did
that record. Wow, girls can't Do what the Guys Do,
which is what they sampled for that, and they inspired
the song to Wop that Thing by Lauren Hill Hill.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
So I knew that was a sample, But what song
is that? It's the same song, same song and go back,
same song. We mean, it's like the.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Girls, you know, right, Yeah, it's inspired by the song
Can't Do what the Guys Do.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Okay, Okay, that's what you mean by saying.

Speaker 9 (27:46):
Okay, the same thing. But the intro from that song
was what they used for Upgrade You. For Beyonce, man,
she's been a part of so many, so many, so
many big songs and hip hop, you know. She obviously
she had all those songs, No Paying, No Game, after

(28:07):
the Pain Pain that that series.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
She was also the first woman to go gold on
her own label.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Wow wow, first woman to go gold on her own label. Yes, man,
we could just do a whole show about her, however,
legend legend, the legendary. Give it up for Betty Right,
the legendary. Yes, I know you. You know when I

(28:34):
met you, singer, songwriter, producer, uh, I personally never thought
I would see the day that you became an artist.
I wanted it. I wanted it so much. That's why
when I saw it, I was really happy. Not that
you haven't always been an artist, but I would say
getting behind yourself and actually pushing you. I always you know.
I remember just being in the sleet. I'm like, seant,

(28:56):
you know, why don't you do this? And you're like, ah, man.
But when you came to LA one September and you
showed me and told me that you was on and
you ready to do your thing, I was so excited
and still I'm very excited for you. And I can
hear all the great all the greats within your voice,
within obviously within your writing. I can definitely hear Betty

(29:19):
right in there as well, I want to actually play
your single really quick so they can hear you know
who you are. And okay, yeah, for sure, we have
back to Work. Tell us a little bit about that
before we put that on.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Back to Work very simple man.

Speaker 11 (29:40):
That song.

Speaker 9 (29:40):
You know, my whole project is called minimum Age working
on and it's really about you know, for me, it's
it's it's a personal call out to me, you know,
like of like the work is never done, you know,
saying getting back into what you have to do again,
like the grind. That's that's that's an important thing. But

(30:00):
the song is just about literally about getting back to work.
You know, after the pandemic, a lot of people, a
lot of people didn't return to the workforce, and you know,
it's just about that. It's about, you know, getting back
on what you're getting back on the path of what
you need to do to get into your dreams, which
is the most important part.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Right, Okay, without further ado, the single back to Work. Yeah,
you have a picture.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Check my al luck and it said that it's turn
in the Morning on a Sunday.

Speaker 8 (30:52):
Had a hell of a weekend battle MBA had a
couple of freaks and still contemplating putting.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
My so over this shit, so sick of fighting over
these shifts.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
So tired of these niggas not telling me. I'm gonna
give bitching this.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
Ship, sold themb A loyalty to whoever employed me with
no reciprocity.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
As soon as I fuck up.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
A little bit, be the main one to.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
Be dropping me so long to waking the five o'clock in.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
The morning working the job.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
I ain't never both stuck in the one bedroom catching
out for a spot. I ain't even on the feeling
the guys think to a God might not be there
in the mount. Nobody won't make that being grown meaning.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
You out on your own. What I'm about to say.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
It, could you really gone.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Eppisode The motive that you know against worse from the.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Thing you're going to the day they.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
Put you in the dirt.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
If you're trying to get nigga, take your aspect to work.
If it's at your job or you're your own bouts, Nigga.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Is gonna go.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Take your aspect of work.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
It can be full time, it could be pot out
good at a whole lot of times.

Speaker 13 (31:53):
Take your aspect of work.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
I ain't never been scared of putting them workin, that's
for certain you.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
But I wasn't prepared for putting my all in when
I'm hurting because it's other nigga's lurking. Wish your nigga's
in my place.

Speaker 13 (32:05):
Open there, and I get a raised thinking and smiling
all of them in my page as miss be with
it therese, niggas do I ain't talking about your end
of me's talking about your friend of me while sitting
at your table for dinner and pretending they happen you
in and they saying that they happen.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
You swimming if they want to drown you.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
That's why you gotta get me from grow so long
to waking the five o'clock in the morning working the job.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
I ain't ever moonment, stuck in the one bedroom catching
out for a spot.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
I ain't even own the feeling the gas tank to
a god might not be there in the mountain.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Nobody won't make that being grown, meaning you out.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
On your own when I'm gonna say it, could you
really don't.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
Upsod the motive that you know.

Speaker 8 (32:42):
I guess worse from the.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Thing you're brought into the day they put you in
the third if you're trying to eat, nigga, take your
aspect to work. If it's at your old job or
you're your old bouts, nigga is gonna go take your
aspect to work.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
It could be full time, it could be.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
Times.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yes, take your ass back to work.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Got y'all?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yes, yes, yes. You know what I like about your
When you write, you have a way of capturing the personality,
the essence of a person, so before you know it,
like you're writing and it's it's almost if they wrote
the words themselves. That's what I've always respect about your writing.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (33:36):
I try to always kind of come from that perspective,
putting myself in the shoes of of.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
Of the listener.

Speaker 9 (33:43):
I think that's as a writer, I think that's one
of the most important things. It's not about yourself. It's
about who's listening, about the listener, giving them a chance
to experience something with you. So I try my best
to write in a conversational in a relatable way.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
Yeah, that's kind of like what I aim for.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah, you know, go hit for sure. I want to
switch gears really quick. We unfortunately only got an hour,
so I'm trying to get compact a lifetime of information
into this one hour, But I want to get really
quick into the script that you wrote, written by Sean McMillian.

(34:27):
It's uh, I have I actually have a copy of it.
The pilot TV drammer based on the life of Julie Walker,
which is your mom. I know we've talked many times
about your mom and like she was the original OG.
You learned everything you learned from your mom, and I

(34:48):
just I wanted you to give the audience a little bit,
just a little quick snippet of who your mom is
and why you were compelled to write this story.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
Absolutely, my mother's name is Julia, Julia Walker McMillan.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
She was.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
Everything I am is because of my mom. My mom
taught me about hustle. She taught me about pursuing, pursuing
your passion.

Speaker 9 (35:22):
My mom was at one point the largest distributor of
heron in the Southeast United States. She was a was
labeled a crime boss and actually served sixteen years in
federal prison and still handled it with grace.

Speaker 10 (35:47):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
My mom was an incredible woman. She was a strong woman.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
I lost my mother last year January January fourth, and
and that was that has been one of the guess
one of the hardest things I've ever had to go
through in my life is actually, you know, laying my
mom to rest. But what she's instilled in me is
still very very very present. My relentlessness, my unwillingness to

(36:21):
give up on anything, is because of what she's instilled
in me. She's always made me believe that I could
do anything, and that is why I do everything. And
that's what my name, my my my, my my new
alter to go for my music. He's so rude, rude,

(36:41):
really really unapologetically doing everything.

Speaker 11 (36:46):
You know.

Speaker 9 (36:46):
That's that's what the space I'm living in, it's just
it's all because of just her and her example she's
been to me and my my sister. She's she's an
incredible woman.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Why was it so important for you to get her
story out of it? I know you're shopping in at
this point in time, and anybody that's on here look listening.
We're in Hollywood. He this is this, This is a
great script, This is a great movie, great a great read.

Speaker 10 (37:11):
But what.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I don't know just what pushed you to say, Hey,
I really want her story told.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
I think it's important.

Speaker 11 (37:17):
You know, in.

Speaker 9 (37:20):
Most stories about you know, selling drugs, even in the
ones where it's like the bigger stuff like Risselle de
Blanco and all the stuff like this is a Mexican
woman selling drugs out of Mexico.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
It's pretty you know, it's it's that was a big deal.

Speaker 9 (37:37):
My mom was African American woman from from Miami, Florida,
who broke it her own deal with cartels wow, and
created her own network.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
She was the first millionaire of my family.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (37:51):
And she she created this on her own. She graduated
high school at fifteen years old. She was pregnant with
my sister. She was a straight A student. She was brilliant.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
Woman.

Speaker 9 (38:05):
But she was born in nineteen forty five and this
wasn't a bunch of opportunities in nineteen sixty when she
graduated to go do you know what you would think today?

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (38:15):
Yeah, those grades, she could have went to college whatever.
It just wasn't for a single mother. It wasn't that,
you know what I'm saying. She had to figure out.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
Her own way.

Speaker 9 (38:24):
And yeah, well my mom accomplished as a black woman
in a very male dominated field.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
It's crazy.

Speaker 9 (38:32):
My mom was also locked up with Grisselda Blanco in
nineteen ninety four, so actually in the same she was
in the same company of you know, they did a
whole Netflix special about Griselda, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
So I think it's important to tell her story just
as a black woman.

Speaker 9 (38:50):
Yeah, it's not, it's not. It's not to glorify be
proud of her selling drugs.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
But that was the story.

Speaker 9 (38:57):
She had the car, she stealth, and her brilliant in it.
My mom, you know, was a brilliant woman, and she
figured out ways to play a man's.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Game very well.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I mean, hey, Netflix and fifty they make a lot
of money off of telling these stories. Get at me,
Get at me for sure, and it's the real deal.
So when your mother came out, how old were you
when your mother came out of jail?

Speaker 6 (39:23):
I was sixteen years old.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Okay, so she did sixty So she went in right
when you were born.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Then, no, no, she went in. So she did nine years.

Speaker 9 (39:30):
In my life, okay, from seven to sixteen, she did
nine years, And when my sisters were younger, she did
six years in federal prison for her first case with
her her husband.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Then okay, so when she was done with all of that,
like you know, sixteen years later, was there any change
in her. Was there a reform did she you know,
or even did she put some money up and save
it for some other businesses?

Speaker 6 (39:57):
Like oh no, there was no there was no money
buried in ground up.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
We could ask these questions now because she's with God.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
So okay, now you.

Speaker 9 (40:08):
Know my mom when she got out, it was different
when she got out the first time with my sisters.
My sister, my older sister was in college already who
had just figured out, you know, playing basketball and got
scholarships and did it that way. My other sister was
getting ready to go to college. So my mom stepped

(40:28):
in in that time in life. You know, she got
right back into the hustle and she put you know,
put them, moved them to Atlanta, let them go to
the colleges they wanted to go, and gave them. You know,
they had the money. They had me the Maserati and
the Bens, and they was they was cool. When my
mom got out with me, I wanted nothing.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
To do with that, Okay.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
I was like, scholarships I got, you know, I did,
I got good grades.

Speaker 9 (40:58):
I already had made it them to college. I was
already in a space where I was like, I don't
want I don't want you to not have to do
anything illegal to support me. So I was very much
so like, I'm gonna handle everything.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
So you kept your mom honest?

Speaker 6 (41:20):
Yeah, as honest as I could. My mama. Mama is
a thrill seker man.

Speaker 9 (41:24):
Not to realize that I got old and old, I'm like,
you like doing bad ship. I like, I don't need that,
you know, And that's what I did.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
I did.

Speaker 9 (41:35):
I hustled and did everything that I could in college too,
to make it so that she didn't have to come
out of pocket or you know whatever, you know, the
things that she wanted to do, and she did, and
she still took care of me and stuff like that,
but you.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
Know, she didn't have to do anything crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Got a job, working a regular job, you know, and
it stayed that way the whole Yes, yes, they say
that way.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
You know.

Speaker 9 (42:03):
The first thing I did when I got my first
publishing deal, I bought my mom a car, and she
was like, oh, I don't deserve it.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Because my mom wasn't super supportive of me doing music
as a parent. She didn't want me to go that route.
She seen how difficult it is breaking and so you know,
just being a mom. She was like, you can do this,
you can do this, go do this, and I was like, yeah,
but this is what I want to do. This is
my dream. So when I bought her that car, she
was like, you didn't.

Speaker 9 (42:31):
Have to do that, and I'm like, of course, I
have to do that, because you know, at the end
of the day, she's my mother. Honor her and I
loved her. And eventually my mother never had to work again.
My mom was able to retire and I was able
to do everything and every everything in my power to
make sure that she didn't have to work again.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Until until her dying day.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yes, what a nice ending to a beautiful story. Beautiful Okay,
So here's your elevator pitch time. Right, So we have
people watching Hollywood. You know, movie directors, producers, film studios.
Were in a film studio. So if you had to
talk to the people really quick, you wanted to pitch
this script this film right quick. What would you say?

Speaker 9 (43:21):
This is a marriage of Queen of the South meets
Raising Kane, and it says, you know, it's a black
woman who who got involved with the cartels and was
able to amass that and turn her husband into a millionaire.
First and then eventually learn how to do that formula
for herself. And her story is incredible. Her cases went

(43:44):
all the way to the Supreme Court, both of her cases.
And if that doesn't tell you anything, it should tell
you the amount of money that she had too. Fun
two Supreme Court cases as a black woman.

Speaker 11 (43:55):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Wow, I'll give a handclaff for that because she had
to that out.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
Figure it out.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Okay, I want to switch gears right quick, real quick,
real quick. I want to, you know, do this fun
but kind of controversial versial thing and we're gonna talk relationships.
But before we do that, I want to usher in
the moment and no pun intended, and play a little
bit of your your song. Actually it's a collaboration. I

(44:24):
don't want to say it wrong. Give me a second,
forgive me, forgive me. It's called talk about it with Somaya.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Is that Yeah, she's from Detroit.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Okay, I go crazy. Uh And he's so mister, he's
so rude himself, Tony, can you pay a little bit
of that. I'll tell you want to stop.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
Do my best to give my girl friend the things.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
When she gives up blood and to me.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
But that isn't everything. I Nika and affection, tea, protection,
trust and understanding. Sex not used as a weapon.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
I want to be the one that you desire without
a question.

Speaker 13 (45:10):
If I lost it all tomorrow, need to know you'd
help me get it back for us.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
But that's the love you're running from.

Speaker 10 (45:22):
You.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Rather I just buy you something new.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
And this is why my heart is numb.

Speaker 8 (45:30):
You ever thought love would become transactional?

Speaker 1 (45:35):
His talk about it, Let's talk about it. His talk
about it, Let's talk about it. His talk about it,
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
I'm looking for love.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Ain't feeling like Joe and me came here made you
gotta know aemonially given my own.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Enough windom towns will get rod.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
A protective and the provider.

Speaker 12 (46:14):
Me.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Yes, yes, yes, she's phenomenal. She's now. I love it.
I love her, I love it, I love it, I
love the whole thing. Love it.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
What nothing were talking about earlier, that's that's that's that subject.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
But it sure is it? Sure is okay mm hmm.
So this, this is the one of the biggest subjects
that's been going on. And you know, men versus women
type of conversations going on in social media, and it's
been about should women bring half to the table or
and or should a man look for a woman to

(46:55):
have her own sustainability before he enters into a relateationship
with her? And then the other side of that argument
has been a real man, you know, would have it
all together and he would be able to provide for her.
And if she has some money, fine, but it's her own.

(47:15):
Where do you stand on just that subject alone?

Speaker 6 (47:21):
So, like I said, I was.

Speaker 9 (47:22):
First by a bunch of women, a bunch of strong women.
So I was raised to be a provider, and I
have no argument with that. I do believe that men
inherently should provide in a relationship in the relationship. But
my key thing is I believe that a man is

(47:43):
a provider for his woman, meaning I will when you
are my woman, I would provide for you. Yes, when
we are dating, we're getting to know each other, and
you are going out on dates with other men, and
I could be possibly going on date to other women.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I'm not your provider, Okay, So I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (48:06):
That means that I'm not paying your rent, I'm not
giving I'm not getting you as a dude that likes.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
You, right right right, That loves you, but a dude
that likes.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
You, I will create. I will pay for the things
that create opportunities for us to get.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
To know each other, right, dinner, pay for dinner, movie,
pay for outings.

Speaker 9 (48:28):
I will pay for things where we can get an opportunity,
pay for getaways, and we progress so that we can
get to know each other. Absolutely, but just really nearly
paying for your lifestyle that this guy will not be
providing that.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I think that's the most sensible answer or response that
I've heard, like just watching social media and everything and
the you know men, the men that typically respond that
don't like the whole give a woman money thing. Out
of all the responses that I've ever heard, that is
the most logical, And that's something that I can totally

(49:03):
agree with because I think that's how it goes right.
That's how it goes right.

Speaker 9 (49:07):
Yeah, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, there's
a courting process, and so it's not to be like
a lot of times women think, oh yeah, that means
you're being cheap. No, I understand the idea of courting
a woman. Understand the idea of taking her out, showing
her a good time, and getting to getting into a
space to connect with one another, which is what we're seeking,
right and seeking connection. You know what I'm saying. As

(49:28):
a man, guess I know my responsibilities. When I was married,
my wife did not have to work. She chose to
it in some instances in the twenty two months. I
think she probably had a job two months. Maybe you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
She chose to work, which I'm all for, all for
a woman having her own things.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
In fact, some of them that I just said to
a woman that I was talking to, I said, if
I providing everything, then I would. And if my woman
doesn't want to be somebody doesn't want to be at
home whatever, wife or whatever, then the things that she
should be getting or getting money towards should be to
enhance what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (50:13):
For our life.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Okay, so explain that, Explain how that works. So so
if I so, for argument's sake, if you and I
were together, and of course I have my career and
then you have your career. But you're the bread winner.
You're you keep all the bills paid and everything. You're
the founder.

Speaker 9 (50:30):
So I would love to hear, hey, babe, with my salary,
I was thinking we should probably get an investment property together.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, Hey, I planned a little Vegas.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
That's right, because you've been working for all the bills.

Speaker 9 (50:44):
Somebody that's going to add and help me, and it's
and mentally and with peace is important to me. It's
not about paying the random pants.

Speaker 6 (50:54):
I'm a man. I'm gonna do that regardless, regardless. Yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna I'm programmed to do that.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I agree with that. That's so I feel like that's.

Speaker 9 (51:03):
The kind of help bringing something to the table that
I'm talking about. That's the type of thing I'm talking
about because there are rainy days in everybody's life. That's that,
there are ups and downs, especially in the industry that
I'm in. So I need to notice somebody that's, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Got our back, Like you know, this is a family,
you know, there's children most of the time. Yeah, this
you know, somebody that's thinking forward.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
And so okay, So you do like smart women. You
do like smart women because I really do, because everyone
doesn't think that way. And you know, everyone doesn't understand
about the real estate game. Everyone doesn't understand about investments,
you know, And so if she spent her.

Speaker 9 (51:44):
Time even if even if she submersed herself in helping
me figure out things to do with my money.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Oh yeah, that's dope. I love that.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
I don't know how to make some money spend honey,
but I know how to make it come back to you.
So that's doff. I love that. That's a that's a
that's a great concept. Uh is is there any chatters
saying anything? You want to say anything? Really quick? We're
getting down to those last few minutes. I'm really trying
to get it all in.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
H Elvira said, good to see you and listening to you,
and then Virgil said, hey, greeting from Manchester, England.

Speaker 11 (52:17):
Hot cheeks.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Who are you talking?

Speaker 12 (52:19):
Who?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
No, No, who's these people talking to? They taking to
me or Sean to the guests. I don't know you,
I mean, who is he? So you talk about these cheeks? Sure,
hot cheeks. Wow, that's funny. Okay, no callers correct? Okay,

(52:44):
So you know we got the chatters in. I have
people on here. They're not saying too much, they're just
chiming in, so I'll shout them out really really quick.
And if anybody, if you tune into your live sewing
anybody you want to shout out, Definitely, here's your time
to shot. Anybody want a shout. I don't even have
to be your live, but I want to shout out
Corey Nelly Land, Gray Davis. I don't know he said hello, Hello, Hello.

(53:05):
Shout out to you, the R and B Broker and
then at art By, I don't know. It's these handles, y'all. James,
make them more prototype lamage, Hello, Hello, make them more
you know, legible?

Speaker 4 (53:21):
What up?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Lacey?

Speaker 6 (53:21):
What up?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I don't know. Mario Gomez, shout out to all of
you guys. Thank you guys for chiming in. Anybody you
want to give us special special shouts out to right
quick before we start wrapping it up.

Speaker 9 (53:33):
Sean Absolutely, my business partner and brother for over twenty
four years. Ralph GENTI most definitely shout out to all
of anybody that I work with that has been helping
me and all this time. Hilaire Kimara, and most definitely
shout out to all the acts that I've been working with.

(53:54):
Day twenty six, B five, this new phenomenal group I'm
working with, Peachtree, actually in the studio.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
With them right now. Yes, I would like to get
the shout out.

Speaker 9 (54:03):
Most importantly to you and Mary are always reaching and
checking on me and making sure that you tell my story.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
You stuck with me forever. You've giving me some of
the great, greatest music of my career. I've had a
lot of great producers, but just say this. The last
project that I put out, you had how many it
may have been eight songs, and you had six of
the eight on there. So that shows how much I
love working with you. And you just you get it.

(54:32):
You just get it right the first time, you know.
So I love it. I love it, and you push me.
You pushed me. I remember one time the song that
we were playing, Suitcase in the intro, and you had
that song was already demoed out, and so it was
this run that she was doing, and so I went
to attacking. You was like, hold on, hold on, hold on,
let me just trying to attack the run. Just calm down,

(54:55):
wait a minute. I was like, who is this young man?
And you was like, let's break this thing down. And
you know, as bocalists we get really offended real easy,
like I know how to run, don't tell me, but
it was it's your style. And it was so funny
because I saw you do it to every other artist
that had came in the studio or that was in

(55:15):
this Like I would come in sometimes and you would
be finishing up, and I saw you do this with
every artist that you work with. So it wasn't me.
It wasn't something for me to feel self conscious about.
You're just that level of a perfectionist when it comes
to this. So I appreciate that from you because I
could have did my run. I'm like, wait a minute,
First of all, I know how to run. I ain't
even got to do her run.

Speaker 10 (55:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
You was like, wait, hold up, we're gonna break this
thing down. And that's how you get great songs. That's
how you get hits, you know. So thank you for that.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
I appreciate It's hard.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
What's next for you really quick that we should know
about coming up?

Speaker 9 (55:53):
Besides the artist I just told you about, I'm also
gonna be putting out my project for real this year.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Hey.

Speaker 9 (56:00):
And also I'm supposed to be working with After seven,
but we're doing a project with them with Yes, super
excited about it.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yes, legends, Legends with Legends.

Speaker 9 (56:11):
Yes, that's not the one that keep chext on me
all the time about since my mother passed. He always
checks on me, He always prays for me, and and
those type of people. It's like, I would love just
to give back creatively and give them all the flowers
I can give them in the world because I grew
up on that.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Great yes, yes, yes, and you're one of the people
that keeps it going. Like you know, you gave me
this eighties stock because I came in. I was like,
I have all of these eighties records that I want
us to listen to, and you got it right quick.
You gave me this eighty style with the swag of
you know this uh what would this be this century?

(56:50):
With the swag of what's going on right now? And
I don't know how you were able to fuse them,
but I was like, I need you to do this thing,
mesh this thing, and you got it. You got it
real quick.

Speaker 9 (57:00):
So that's definitely super talented man. You didn't make it hard,
so that's that's important.

Speaker 11 (57:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, I concur so tell the people, give me, like
some last comments that you want to leave with the people.
Anybody that's looking to do this, anybody that's looking to
transition from and not that you're not a producer and
writer anymore, but transit make that transition from production being
behind the scenes to the actual artists themselves. Anything that

(57:26):
you want to leave the people with.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
This is just for any This goes out to all creators,
especially behind the scenes creators, right okay, And this is
really just just some encouragement. Keep going, keep pressing, keep
figuring out ways to express yourself and to to move
your art around and to feed yourself.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
I know that it gets hard out here. It gets
hard for everybody. It's not just you.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
There are some of the most talented people in the
game that are door dashing and that are trying to
figure it out. And I monish you to keep pressing forward,
keep figuring it out.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
It's gonna be okay, perfect, perfect, And tell us your
handles again. It's they're on the screen. But say I'm
out loud for the people.

Speaker 10 (58:10):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (58:10):
I go by Sean Penn, But on Instagram, I'm he's
a rude h s O underscore rude?

Speaker 6 (58:16):
Are you d E? But I'm really a nice guy.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
You get to know you're a sweet teddy bear. I
don't even know where you get this real thing from,
even though me and you done had our little moments,
but you're really sweet. Yeah, sometimes we got to do it.
People don't understand.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
I get it.

Speaker 11 (58:35):
All right.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
You know, it's been a pleasure having you. I want
to have you back. I know there will be more updates,
especially when someone picks up this film or if you
decide to go ahead and do it yourself. I want
to know more about the journey that you've been on
in being your own artist and when you do release
that new project. So I really want you to come back.
But this time, you got to promise me it's going

(58:56):
to be in studio.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna come on out to Lave.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
That's vibe for sure. They're gonna have to let you
out the studio. I'm real like, I'm like that about
you too, Like once I got you to the studio, Okay,
stand with somebody else, walk through the door. Hell no,
like you know, so I get it. I get it.
But thank you, thank you for coming. We gonna we're
gonna wrap it up. But if you would stay on,

(59:24):
I'm gonna have you do a drop before you hang up. Okay, Okay,
well you guys. This has been another episode of twenty
twenty Vision again. One of my favorite episodes, Music is Everything,
starring Sean Penn mcphillion, the writer, the producer, uh, the
artist himself and the inspiration for a lot of my

(59:44):
music and just me period. The message is what it
always is, love, life and light. You gotta love who
you are, I love what you do, love everything about yourself,
says the Lord, because God will sign a light through
you that no one else would be able to deny
that He is the Alpha and Omega and it begets life.
Just just love you, guys. You can find me on

(01:00:07):
anything you like to listen to, Apple, Spotify, iTunes, YouTube
at a Mirror the Songstress, or anywhere you like to
look Instagram, Facebook, as well as YouTube at a Mirror
the Songstress And remember stay focused.

Speaker 10 (01:00:29):
Let me fix my crown baby like dominos. Yeah it's
going down, my feet off the ground elevated. You feel
so when you hear my sound and life on the
line like a red line that don't ever change and

(01:00:56):
you should know why. Merging to the other lad I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
In coup some my next no regrets making hisses.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Or read flat. Yeah, I'm getting in coup.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
So next Sagon sack gas made high so you know
I'm FLA.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I'm getting in. I'm my sex.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
No regrets making hisses or read fly YEA, I'm getting
next sagging sack gas bad high so you know I'm play.

Speaker 12 (01:01:42):
No regrets,