Canceling Jimmy Kimmel

Join Jim and Greg for the Thursday 3 Martini Lunch as they break down the indefinite suspension of Jimmy Kimmel, Barack Obama’s claims that he never politicized tragedy, and the evil deeds of the guy first suspected of killing Charlie Kirk.

First, they examine ABC/Disney’s decision to pull Jimmy Kimmel off the air after his brazen lie that Charlie Kirk was murdered by a MAGA supporter. With affiliate stations preparing to boycott Kimmel, ABC pulled the plug. The story gets more complicated because Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr seems to have been involved in trying to get Kimmel canceled. Jim argues the government should have stayed out of it but makes clear he won’t be shedding any tears for Kimmel.

Next, they react to former President Barack Obama chiding Republicans over their response to Kirk’s murder while insisting he never used tragedies for political gain. Jim and Greg highlight multiple examples where Obama did just that and Jim shares insights about where Obama really stands among Democrats these days.

Finally, they explain how the first suspect arrested after Kirk's murder is clearly a horrible person, even if he didn't pull the trigger. Jim and Greg reveal why the man claimed to be the shooter in the immediate aftermath and what horrifying content police found on his phone.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch Grab a Stool next
to Greg Corumbus of Radio America and Jim Garritty of
National Review.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Free Martini's coming up. Very glad you're with us here
on the Thursday edition of the Three mar Tiny Lunch
Grab a Stool. Today, we're going to be talking about
a lot of different things, and just a moment, we'll
be talking about Jimmy Kimmel's indefinite suspension as host of
the late night show on ABC. Get into the details
of that and what's turning into a bit of a

(00:31):
controversy about his indefinite suspension. We'll also be taking a
look at the eye rolling comments of former President Barack
Obama about how he never took advantage of tragedies to
try to score points with against his political opponents. And
remember that guy who they thought was the shooter in
the beginning, gave himself up, said just shoot me, I'm

(00:51):
the shooter, and then it turned out he wasn't the shooter. Well,
he's a really bad guy, and we're going to find
out a lot more about him in just a moment too.
So Jimmy Kimmel not being on the air certainly a
good thing. But that's a little more complicated as you
dig into it. So what are you most pumped about today?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
It is I do kind of feel like if you're
a cop who arrests that guy and it turns you know,
arrest me, arrest me, you get him, and it turns
out he did not do the bad thing that he
appeared to be confessing to, but he turned out to
do this other really awful thing. Yeah, it's it's a
win win, you know. Okay, you know you got him.
You know. It's kind of like on Halloween, you know,

(01:25):
you get trick or treating and oh, I got something
really good in my bag. It turned out. And by
the way, believe it or not, listeners, the workers are
noisier today than they have been in past episodes when
you've heard the and all that other noise. It's even
worse today. So I'm in a different part of the
house and hopefully it's not too Hopefully it's not too interrupting.
I will shout if necessary so that you can hear me,

(01:46):
because hey, who likes this when they're taping a allegedly
professional podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
This is the This is the only time in his
career that jim has ever identified with Laurence O'Donnell and
just stop the hammering.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
We'll you alive. Yeah, yeah, Lawrence, I feel you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
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(03:31):
evening when this news came out, which means Jimmy Kimmel
got to go home early last night because I don't
think he did a show last night. Here's the story
from USA Today. Jimmy Kimmel's late night talk show was
suspended indefinitely following the host comments on the fatal shooting
of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Walt Disney owned ABC said
Wednesday that it will indefinitely stop airing Jimmy Kimmel Live

(03:53):
after the late night host comments about Kirk's assassination came
under harsh criticism from the head of the Federal Communications Commission,
And so basically what happened here is that a lot
of local affiliates didn't like what he said on Monday night.
And there's groups of affiliates owned by companies like Sinclair
and Nextstar, and they in particular protested. First of all,

(04:15):
here is what Kimmel said on Monday night. If you
haven't heard it already, we hit some.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
New lows over the weekend with the Magga gang desperately
trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as
anything other than one of them, and everything they can
to score political points from it.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
And so this is exactly what we were talking about
earlier in the week gym, where folks on the left,
despite all the evidence coming in about the motivations of
the shooter, saying, oh head Republican parents or whatever, must
be on the right. And so Jimmy Kimmel pushing that
line that wasn't a joke, and so these affiliates responded, Now,
if the affiliates had just done this on their own,
that would be the marketplace at work, and while the

(04:54):
left would be howling Matt. Of course, as always that
would be understandable. That's just the consequence culture as we've
talked about it. But that's not the end of the story,
because the chairman of the FCC, Brendan Carr, did weigh
in on this, and he tweeted out yesterday. Broadcast TV
stations have always been required by their licenses to operate
in the public interest that includes serving the needs of

(05:15):
their local communities, and broadcasters have long retained the right
to not air national programs that they believe are inconsistent
with the public interest, including their local communities values. I'm
glad to see that many broadcasters are responding to their
viewers as intended, and in other interviews, Brendan Carr has
made it pretty clear that the FCC was actively involved
in this effort, which complicates things. It's in some ways

(05:38):
similar to the Pambody conversation. Look, if your employer wants
to fire you, that's different than the government prosecuting you
for your speech. But there's a debate brewing on the right.
On the one hand, you've got folks like Guy Benson
who are saying this is a subjective standard that Brendan
Carr is laying out what stops a future leftist version
of car from using this excuse to metal in conservative
talk radio, and on and on and goes. Others are

(06:00):
saying no, no, no, Disney canceled Roseanne, Disney canceled Gina Carano,
and oh, by the way, the Biden administration was, of
course pushing social media platforms to stifle or cancel people altogether,
including Donald Trump, by the way, in twenty twenty one. So, Jim,
how do you sift through all this?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
If Carr had never said anything, this would be a
perfect story. I guess the question is would ABC have
felt the need to indefinitely suspend Kimmel in the absence
of Carr's statements. The reaction from Sinclair affiliates suggests that
this was a burgeoning, serious displeasure with the show. There's
also reports floating around this morning that that Kimmel had

(06:39):
planned on addressing it, that he was going to put
out something like a clarification, but he was not going
to apologize. And the implication there is that the ab
suits said that's not good enough. We got to step
in the show's suspended indefinitely. And again, I kind of
wonder if Carr is the right guy for this job,
because he seems like it's nothing about being a Trump supporter,
but he seemed just to basically believe that as FCC chairman,

(07:02):
he is now the de facto editor and content manager
for broadcast television. That's really not the way the FCC
is supposed to look at his job, particularly in matters
like if Brendan Carr comes out and says, as a
private citizen, I think but Jimmy Kimmel said was terrible. Okay,
But the problem is, you're also the FCC chair and
you've made very clear that you intend to use the

(07:24):
power of your office to go after network television that
you think is bad. And I think that's really a
at best a gray area and very problematic. And again,
I think in this case, it's stepped on the toes
or interrupted a process that looked like it was going
to come to the same outcome without the government stepping
into this. Now, having said that, I'm kind of paraphrasing

(07:46):
some other folks on Twitter today when they say they
really want folks on the right who are defenders of
free speech and who have previously been critical of cancel
culture to come riding to the ramparts to defend Ammy
Kimmel's First Amendment right to lie through his teeth about
the guy who murdered Charlie Kirk. That's how they want

(08:07):
us to spend today. And I don't know about you,
but I've been really meaning to get a haircut fore
I got some trips coming up. Also, you can hear
the workers, you know. I got to look in to
see what they're doing, Okay, And my sock drawer is
a mess. I just I've been putting off reorganizing, so
I might have to do all that before I come
riding to the rescue of Jimmy Kimmel and say, oh,

(08:28):
what a terrible shame it is that somebody in the
government said something, and that ABC and Disney are knuckling
under and not allowing standing up for his First Amendment
to you know, put out a blatant lie like the
other thing. I'm just gonna observe. Greg Our podcast is snarky.
We like to laugh. I hope we never crossed the
line into obnoxiousness. I think that's probably in the eye

(08:50):
of the beholder. But I'm gonna make an ops. I
remember when Jimmy Kimmel made something that made a bet
with Ted Cruz, and Ted Cruz won, and they did
a charity basketball game. Is a free throw shooting or
horse or something like that. Yeah, And if you went
back and watched the video, Ted Cruz looks like he's
having the time of his life because he's up against

(09:12):
an opponent that makes him look like Jordan right smelt
and athletic compared to Jimmy Kimmel. But the whole thing
is supposed to be raising money for charity, and Cruz
acts like he's having the time of his life and
that he feels like in Kimmel. Yeah, they got really
strong disagreements, but he feels like he's got a worthy
adversary and they're able to take this disagreement and turn
it into something that's good. Jimmy Kimble does not his

(09:36):
body language, his comments, his entire tone of voice, none
of that's. He suggests he has utter disdain for Ted
Cruz and that he regrets agreeing to do this, and
he's doing this because he knows if he didn't do it,
he'd get a lot of grief for it. But he
doesn't want to be there and he just wants to
tell off Ted Cruz and storm out of the plate, like,
go back watch the video coverage of yourself. You know,
maybe if you feel like I'm exaggerating or not characterizing it,

(09:58):
but I think if you look at that fact that
that was certainly My takeaway from this was that Kimmel's
doing this because he has to, but in the end
he can't stand him. And in the end, Jimmy Kimmel's
I'm going to try not to use words we don't
use in this podcast. He's a jerk. He's just somebody
who just feels utter contempt for people who disagree with him.
You and I can remember when he and Adam Carolla
were watching girls jump up and down on trampoline's on

(10:19):
The Man Show. So now when you pose as the
defender of me too and feminism and all that stuff,
it feels a little bit of a very politically convenient transformation.
But fine, whatever, I just I don't like Jimmy Kimmel
and that makes me and I think he's got a
long history of snotty, obnoxious, out of line comments towards
folks on the right, which doesn't make me eager to

(10:40):
defend him. And I think if you are a jerk
to people don't be surprised when they're not eager to
come running to your aid. And so there is this
phenomenon I've seen all over Washington where people who treat
other people badly then expect them to jump to their defense.
And lo and behold, when you treat people without respect,
they may not be so eager to come along and

(11:01):
help you when you need it. Life lesson, folks? Is
this for NBC? The more you know, don't be a jerk.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Speaking of NBC, they're the only one with a talk
show host standing at this point.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Right after the local news, Jimmy fallon, I'm here to
I'm not gonna offend anybody, you know, I got to
knocked out jokes for you.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
You know. Yeah, no tears for Jimmy Kimmel whatsoever. He
has been obnoxious, He's been harsh and just this brazen lie.
This wasn't a joke. Yeah, I was trying to say
he was basically gaslighting the American people. I personally believe
he pequked when he was trying to help people win
Benstein's money back in the day on that show on
Comedy Centrace.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Keep cut, good job, Greg.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
But you know, then there's other people reacting to this.
Of course, I think the main takeaway here is that
the best thing Brendan Carr could have done was nothing.
Just let this inertia happen and there wouldn't be a
controversy at least in terms of government intervention here. The
left would still be freaking out, as evidenced by Keith Olberman,
who has the worst take possible on this. In addition

(12:03):
to demonizing Disney in several different tweets, he says, quote
Bern and hell Sinclair alongside Charlie Kirk Jim, I think
we know who the worst person in the world is.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, I was just about to say, you know, of
all the people who could say, isn't it terrible that
people are demonizing each other? Hey, Keith Olberman, you can
sit down on this one. You know you you peaked
at Sports Center, Dan Patrick. You know this was the
good old days. I would love to see the Keith
Olberman who showed up in Hooty in the Blowfish's video
for I Only want to be with you. Those were

(12:34):
the good old days. But we can all like Keith Olberman. Yeah, No,
it's not just the hypocrisy of it, Like people seem
really morally blind or you know, blind to their own
past statements, actions and all that stuff. And again, yeah,
like I think Brendan Carr would make a really good
media critic for some conservative put him over at Media
Research Center or NewsBusters or any one of those. Great, like,

(12:57):
he'll fit in well there. But when you have the
power of government, it's a very different story. You have to,
you know, view the whole thing differently. And you know,
I don't know if they'll be lawsuits over this or anything,
but otherwise Kimmell would be in the same spot as
Stephen Colbert. There's no FCC pressure to get rid of Colbert.
CBS was like, we're just we're sick and tired of
losing tens of millions of dollars on your show.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
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(14:44):
Jim onto our second Martini here bad and oh so tiresome.
Barack Obama once again rewriting history, trying to tell us
about the glory days of his presidency where everybody just
got along and he was above the fray. He was
always above the He says, I'm not sure what event
this is, but in reacting to the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

(15:06):
he's tisking the current administration and beyond for people who
he sees as trying to score points against their political
opponents at a time of national tragedy, because, of course,
he never did that over his eight years in office.
Here's his quote.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
When I was president in the aftermath of tragedies, when
Dylan Rufe went into a black church and, based on
his own words, shot a group of folks who were

(15:49):
engaged in Bible study and who had invited him in,
and according to him, it was for racist reasons. As
president of the United States, my response was not who

(16:11):
may have influenced this troubled young man to engage in
that kind of violence, and now let me go after
my political opponents and use them.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
The Cambridge police acted stupidly. If I had a son,
he'd look like Trayvon every mass shooting. The Republicans, you know,
won't do what I want them to do on gun control.
He sent practically half his administration to the funeral of
Michael Brown in Ferguson. Jim, I could go on and on,
but Barack Obama and the truth, they don't spend a

(16:46):
lot of time together.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Craig, I'm thinking back to I want you to get
in their faces. And you know, also, if they bring
a knife, we bring a gun, and that's why we
need gun control. As I was watching that, one thought, first,
I'm really glad we're to play that video. Greg was
It freaked me out at the twenty twenty four Democratic
National Convention when Bill Clinton looked old Barack Obama, the

(17:09):
hair is white, now he's looking hop It's funny, we
look exactly the same as we did back when we
started the podcast. But the other thing is that I
was struck by. Has Barack Obama emerged since the end
of his presidency to address any topic. Has it been
warmly welcomed? Has anybody said, Wow, that was a great

(17:30):
unifying speech, and that's exactly what the country needed to
hear the opinion of Obama. Obviously, folks on the right
always could stand him. But I think is the perspective
on him on both the center and the left has
dropped dramatically. And some of this is, you know, the
Democrats who are trying to grapple with the idea, if
he was a successful president, how did we end up

(17:52):
with Donald Trump elected president in twenty sixteen? And yeah,
they can blame Hillary, they can blame the wholenk you have, Facebook, Russians,
all kind of stuff, But if America doing great, it
probably would not have elected Donald Trump. Donald Trump is
not a things are going fine. Let's, you know, try
this type aut ITALD. Know, electing Donald Trump is like,
I don't say, a sign of panic, but like that's
a sign of desperate measures. This is not the status quo.

(18:14):
Is not acceptable? Is the message when you get something
like that. And I think Democrats have been kind of
trying to grapple with that since twenty sixteen, and I
think a lot of more of them have concluded that
Obama wasn't as good as they wanted to believe at
that time. Now, mostly they demonized neoliberalism. They convinced themselves,
that Obama was too nice, that Obama wasn't tough enough,
that Obama didn't stand up to Republicans enough, and I

(18:35):
don't think that really is held up by the by
the record. But you know, fine, when he came out
on the campaign trail for Kamala Harris and he said
to black men, I'm disappointed in you, I don't know
if that really was the resident message that the Harris
campaign was really itching for. Some of these post campaign
books have made it very clear that Obama did not
think very highly of Kamala Harris. Neither he nor Michelle
Obama that they wanted an open primary in the middle

(19:00):
of summer of twenty twenty four, and apparently, like Gretchen
Whitmer and marilynd Governor Wes Moore, neither one of them
knew that Obama was talking up this scenario. Obviously, it
did not come to pass. Biden endorsed Harris within like
twenty minutes of announcing he wasn't gonna be the nominee,
and there was no serious effort at that. I don't
want to say Obama is an irrelevant figure in Democratic

(19:21):
Party politics, but I also feel like his influence is
significantly less, and that each Trump victory has taken a
real shot out of that. So it's not surprising to
me that he would choose to remember that he was
always the postpartisan healer and forget all the times that
he did have combative and some would say incendiary comments

(19:42):
and remarks regarding political controversies and racial controversies and things
like that. I was not surprising. I think a lot
of people, you know, do that. I've also struck by
the fact that Obama came out and did this. I
feel like I've seen a lot more conservative saying, oh,
here he goes again. You know, people said we should
do this. I have this sensible idea in the middle.

(20:04):
It happens to be very liberal, you know. But I
found one person in the left who thinks I'm not
doing far enough. So that's therefore I must be in
the middle. You know that this is the same I
haven't seen Democrats talking about this. I think Democrats aren't
all that interested in what Barack Obama has to say anymore.
So it probably set you. It'd be interesting you and I.
You know, this is a right of center podcast. I

(20:25):
wonder how many left of center podcasts we're talking about
Obama's comments these days.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You're right about twenty twenty though, because Joe Biden in
that campaign basically walking in every debate going I was
right there with Barack and everybody else is going, yeah,
you guys weren't tough enough. You guys didn't go far enough.
By that time, being a next to Obama was a
bad in the Democratic Party. I specifically remember the Obama
coming in to the White House press room. There was
a mass shooting at a community college, and I think

(20:49):
unfortunately casualty count was pretty high, and he just launched
right into it. He was just like, people say that
this is not the right time to talk politics, but
I'm gonna do it. We gotta do this now. We're
not gonna You know, if you care.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
About shooting, you have to do of the NRA. Every
Man shooting was a result of the fact that, you know,
Americans have the Second Amendment in people own guns. Mental
health was never an issue. Extremism, the idea of being
radicalized online, the fact that the vast majority of school
shooters like tend to be obsessed with Columbine before they
do it is, you know, like all these things, so

(21:21):
we should probably move.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
On, Greg, Yeah, yeah, talk about it.

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(22:46):
final martini. It's both crazy and bad, and of course,
so week ago Wednesday, that Charlie Kirk was assassinated out
there at Utah Valley University, and in the chaos in
the moments immediately following that, we saw this old guy
on the ground, this old mostly bald guy with white
hair on the sides, down on all fours and saying,

(23:07):
I'm the shooter. Shoot me, I'm the shooter, shoot me.
And soon we heard okay, we got the shooter in custody,
and pretty soon they figured out, now this guy's not
the shooter. He had no idea where the gun was,
there was no more evidence he was. He was just
not the guy. And so what we've learned since then
from authorities is that this guy whose name is George Zinn,
he's seventy one, basically did that because he wanted the

(23:31):
real shooter to have more time to get away. That
was his initial instinct after this heinous event, was to
get the shooter a few extra seconds or minutes to
get away. So he's now facing an obstruction of justice
charge for that, which makes sense. But also when he
was taken into custody probably didn't think about this part
when he decided to pretend he was the shooter. They

(23:54):
went through his stuff, They went through his phone, and
guess what, if you have kids nearby, you probably want
a pause. New York Post. The elderly rabble rouser who
allegedly hindered Utah authorities response after Charlie Kirk was fatally
shot is now accused of keeping graphic sexual photos of
children on his phone. Zen was charged with four counts
of sexual exploitation of a minor after investigators found more

(24:17):
than twenty images of kids as young as five years old,
at least partially naked and posing in a sexual way.
According to the Utah County Sheriff's Office quote, Zen admitted
that he gets sexual gratification. From viewing and sharing child
sexual abuse material with others, and that his preferred victim
age is five to twelve years old. Ugh, Jim, we

(24:43):
are seeing the very very bottom of the barrel of
evil here, all right.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
So I was going to say, considering his surname, I
hope he never publishes a people's history of what I
found online. But that's a deep cut for your political
philosopher types. Let's walk through, you know, as disturbing as
this guy's mind is, let's not even look at his mindset.
Let's just look at his his decision making. He's into this,
which is abominable on so many different levels. He keeps

(25:11):
it on his phone, he has it, goes clearly he hates,
you know, Charlie Kirk. He goes to the rally and
think about how thrilled he must have been to have
witnessed the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And then he's thinking, oh,
somebody did this and they're probably trying to escape the police.
Now I'm gonna say that I did it, even though

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I don't have a gun, even though there's no evidence.
I'm going to do this because the police are going
to have to respond to this they're going to have
to take me into custody, and hopefully I can distract
the police long enough so that the real shooter gets away.
And you know, for all we know commits additional political
assassinations in the future or something. And he does this
with kitty porn on his phone the whole time, like

(25:54):
Jay Leno used to do, stupid criminals in his uh
his headline segments. Back folks, this was back with there
were printed newspapers and people would look at headlines. And
also this is back when late night talk shows were funny.
I know, it doesn't a really long time ago, a
different era. Greg and I are little kids, you know that.
It's just what of these things were like, this is
an astonished like we have some astonishingly crazy and dumb

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people in this world. One of them just happened to
be there.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I don't think his actions single headedly allowed the perpetrator
to get away. I certainly haven't seen any reporting indicating
that there's a huge crowd of people running around. I figure,
if you're a cop on that location, it's it's like
trying to pick a needle in a haystack. And you know,
particularly when he drops the gun and just kind of
blends in with the crowd. But wow, and like I said,
I kind of said this jokingly at the beginning of

(26:40):
the UH at the beginning of this podcast, like, thank god,
this guy's off the streets. Thank God, this guy's not
able to do what he's been doing. And you know,
he'll have his day in court, but you know, country's
a better place with this guy behind bars exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
There are other reports that this guy's got a history
of phoning in fake bomb threats. So he's been a
problem for a long time, and now we know the
extent of it, or at least we think we know
the extent of it. And so yeah, hopefully he's behind
bars for a very long time. So not the note
we generally like to end on, but we didn't want
to let this guy slip under the radar just because

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he's not the one who pulled the triggers. There's another
really bad guy at this event, unfortunately, So Jim.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Law enforcement's two for two.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, they've got their man twice here. Jim, have a
good day. See you Friday, See you tomorrow, Greg, Jim Garretty,
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