September 9, 2025 • 23 mins
Join Jim and Greg for the Tuesday 3 Martini Lunch as they serve up three disturbing but important martinis. They dig into a Democratic Senate candidate’s shocking post-9/11 comments, the latest grim polling in the New York City mayor’s race, and the sharp cultural divide between pro-Trump and pro-Kamala Gen Z voters.
First, they react to reports that Maine Democrat U.S. Senate candidate Graham Platner wrote in 2002 that we should try to understand the motivations of the 9/11 terrorists because "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Platner was in high school at the time and subsequently served four overseas deployments as a U.S. Marine. But he is also publicly touting his student activism as part of his campaign. He is also strongly anti-Israel and enthusiastically aligns himself with Bernie Sanders.
Next, Jim and Greg recoil at the latest New York Times/Siena College poll showing socialist Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani with a commanding lead in the New York City mayor’s race. While numbers tighten in a hypothetical two-person race, it's not a two-person race. They also wince at Mamdani's recent comments about why he wants government-run grocery stores, when they have a long track record of failure.
Finally, they go through the numbers of an NBC News poll, as Gen Z men who voted for President Trump have much different and much more traditional ideas of what constitutes success compared to Gen Z women who voted for Kamala Harris. The differences are especially stark on whether marriage and children are a big part of being successful.
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First, they react to reports that Maine Democrat U.S. Senate candidate Graham Platner wrote in 2002 that we should try to understand the motivations of the 9/11 terrorists because "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Platner was in high school at the time and subsequently served four overseas deployments as a U.S. Marine. But he is also publicly touting his student activism as part of his campaign. He is also strongly anti-Israel and enthusiastically aligns himself with Bernie Sanders.
Next, Jim and Greg recoil at the latest New York Times/Siena College poll showing socialist Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani with a commanding lead in the New York City mayor’s race. While numbers tighten in a hypothetical two-person race, it's not a two-person race. They also wince at Mamdani's recent comments about why he wants government-run grocery stores, when they have a long track record of failure.
Finally, they go through the numbers of an NBC News poll, as Gen Z men who voted for President Trump have much different and much more traditional ideas of what constitutes success compared to Gen Z women who voted for Kamala Harris. The differences are especially stark on whether marriage and children are a big part of being successful.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch. Grab a stool next
to Greg Corumbus of Radio America and Jim Garritty of
National Review. Free martinis coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So glad you're with us for the Tuesday edition of
the Three Marire Teni Lunch. So many different things to
get to today. We're going to be talking a little
bit about campaign twenty twenty six. The Democrats think they've
found their guide to take down Susan Collins. Gram Plattner
is his name, but uh, grand Platner is not your
run of the mill Democrat. But as we're learning, a
lot of Democrats these days aren't run of the mill Democrats,
including so Rod Mamdani. Got some new polling out of
(00:37):
New York City to take a look at both in
a four way race and a two man race if
it's him head to head against Andy Cuomo, as Curtis
Lee called a couple of weeks ago, and then an
interesting poll on what matters most to gen Z men
and gen Z women. The divide is pretty significant, about
as significant as it was between who they picked for
(00:57):
President of the United States. So a lot to get
into the where Jim, what's got you most excited today.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
There are two things I love Greg. First is being
told that this Democratic candidate that I've never heard of
is going to knock off a Republican senator who has
won every reelection bid, crushes all opponents, sits on a
throne of skulls. And I also like giving young people advice,
not that they like taking it, not that they like
hearing it. But I think you and I are going
(01:23):
to have some thoughts to share on this one coming
up later today.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, no doubt about it. So stay tuned for all
of that. In the meantime. All right, Jim, onto our
first martini. We have no good martiniz today. These are
all kind of either bad or crazy. I guess the
gen Z split is good if you're looking at the guys.
But let's go over to Graham Plattner. He is the
(01:48):
Democratic Senate candidate in Maine. He is a Marine Corps veteran,
did four tours overseas. He is an oyster farmer. He's
as blue collar as they come. Jim and the Democrats
believe that as a result of that, he's going to
relate to the normal folks. Well, we'll see if that's
gonna happen. He's got a couple of problems here. First
(02:08):
of all, he joined the Bernie Sanders Fight the Oligarchy tour.
In fact, he's quoted on stage as saying, I grew
up in rural Maine and I did four tours in
the infantry. I'm not afraid to name the enemy. The
enemy is the oligarchy, and I don't think he ever
defined what he meant by that. But also over at
Free Beacon, they say that Graham Platner defended terrorist groups
(02:29):
in a post nine to eleven newspaper op ed arguing
quote one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter unquote,
and lamenting that quote, every terrorist is portrayed as evil.
And so he wrote this op ed for the Banker
Daily News. Now we should point out that he was
in high school at the time, and he's obviously served
and as far as we know, served honorably in the
Marine Corps on at least four deployments. So maybe you
(02:52):
need to cut him a little bit of slack there.
But given his quick and enthusiastic affiliation with Bernie Sanders,
I don't think we need to be fooled about whether
this guy is a moderate or a far left Democrat.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Greg, this is not the first time we have seen
democrats in the media. And yes, many people are saying,
I'm repeating myself, have fallen in love early on with
a fairly unknown Democratic or independent wink wink challenger. I'm
thinking of Dan Osborne back in the Nebraska Senate race
last cycle. Okay, if you want to say it's unfair
to judge someone too harshly over something they wrote in
(03:27):
high school, fine, But when you pick somebody who's a
political outsider who has no other past activities, then we
can't review their voting record in the state legislature. We can't,
you know, review votes made on a town council or
board of education or something. This is what we got
to go on now, out of curiosity, Greg, When was
that written in the Bangor Daily.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
News November twenty fifth, two thousand and two, two.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Thousand and two. All right, in that era, there was
another great contributor to the Banker Daily News, a correspondent
at State's news service.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Me.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I was right and covering Olympia Snow and Susan Collins
as I used to call them the Nice Lady Caucus
because they were both very nice ladies and lo and behold.
That's very popular in Maine. And almost as long as
Susan Collins has been in the Senate, main Democrats have
talked themselves into believing this is the year we take
her down. We know, we're oh, she's so right wing,
(04:21):
or we're gonna tell you know. And almost every year
she know, not only wins reelection, she usually wins like
a very wide margin. Last cycle, in a sign that
something was really wrong with the polling, Sarah Gideon led
every poll over Susan Collins, usually by a lot, by
like eight points, and then an election day Collins won
by eight points. So you know this interesting. Main Republicans
(04:45):
don't like to answer the phone. They don't like to
tell whatever the factor was going on there, Susan Collins
sits on a throne of skulls, as I like to joke.
And because she's a nice lady, that's what makes it funny.
She's not this you know, hardcore partisan bomb thrower, but
she's very darn popular. Are there? Is it fair to
judge someone for, you know, as a high school or
writing something snotty and obnoxious and insisting the terrorists or
(05:08):
not evil and Okay, you know, but here's the thing. Greg,
there was terrorism when you and I were in high school, right,
you know this is we're around the same age. We're
talking invasion of Panama, We're talking the first Persian Gulf War.
Did did you ever write you know, Sodom was Sayin's
a good guy?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Did you ever write Manuel Noriega is a poor, misunderstood
soul who you know like booah boss. You know, No,
there's no early you know this guy the embassy bombings
and no, Sama bin Lauden, No, like that's not something
like teenagers. Trust me, I got some experience with they'll
do stuff that will drive you crazy. But bin Lauden's
(05:45):
got a point. It's usually not something you see somebody saying.
So I could say, look, this is probably gonna come
up in attack ads and main Democrats are going to say, oh,
this is so unfair. He was a naive, useful guy. Okay, right,
but you know, but when you're just when your whole
theme is this nebulous oligarchy, it's like Timu Brand populism.
It's like all the hard edges have been sanded off
(06:07):
and there's no details there. This is gonna fill the
vacuum here, So like, if this guy thinks he's getting
a raw deal or then you got to go out
and give a very detailed you know, this is the
Graham Platiner platform. This is what I want to do here,
and let the people pick that apart, because in the
absence of that, people that to talk about what you
have done, which was apparently make the argument that terrorists
are unfairly demonized and no, I think they are very
(06:30):
fairly demonized.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, and so in this Free Bacon report it says
that apparently he wasn't the only one who was part
of this column or article or whatever it was, but
they took issue with quote incomplete coverage un quote of
the Israeli Palestinian conflict quote where a sometimes oppressive Israeli
state can be and often is portrayed as a victim. Now,
given Bernie Sanders leading the way on cutting off military
(06:53):
aid to israel I, think this becomes a pretty relevant
issue pretty darn fast. And given where the Democratic Party is,
I think Grant Blader would be probably straight out front
there saying that absolutely he's not done. The side of
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but it's a little more intriguing than we might have thought.
(08:34):
A new poll from The New York Times in CNA
looking at the New York City mayor's race shows Zoron
Mamdani with a big lead in the race for mayor.
Forty six percent in favor of Mamdani, twenty four percent
playing to vote for Cuomo, fifteen percent for Curtis Leiwa,
nine percent for Mayor Eric Adams, five percent say they're
still undecided.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
In the same poll, if it's a two person race,
it is not a two person race, and it probably
will never be a two person race. But if it were,
mam Donnie's lead shrinks to four forty eight to forty
four over Cuomo. But another poll from Tulton Research last
month found that Mamdannie leads Cuomo forty two to twenty six,
and if there were two men race, he would still
(09:17):
lead by eleven fifty two to forty one. So getting
a little more intriguing in the hypothetical that's never gonna happen, Jim,
But what do you make of the fact that Mam
Donnie's got a massive lead in a four way race
and a little bit tighter if it were to go
down to two men.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, I don't begrudge the New York Times asking these questions,
but we're talking about something that is now astronomically unlikely.
As you know, Friday, Eric Adams had this highly touted
press conference, and I think you were entirely in your
right mind to say, come on, he's not going to
announce a Friday afternoon press conference to say I'm staying
in the race. And that's exactly what Eric Adams did.
(09:53):
The announced the news announcement was that there was no news,
that nothing was changing and he was staying in there.
Which but like, okay, fine, you know again, it doesn't
seem like it's in his character as we saw, And
I hope again, I hope listeners listen to our interview
with Curtis Slee, But Slee was not interested in a
in a Trump administration job. The only thing he wants
to do is be mayor. And I just don't see
(10:13):
any scenario where he goes back on his word that
dramatically and that emphatically and drops out. So it's probably
gonna be a four away race, and the outlook is
not good. And I you know, again, it's very hard
to convince a New York Republican to say, oh, you
have to convince your guy to drop out just so
you can get the prize of Andrew Cuomo as mayor
that he's you know, this is not a good guy either,
(10:35):
so frustrating. My colleague Rick Brockheiser has this really good
corner post today, just walking through the history of New
York City going back to the seventies and the original
decline in crime under Rudy Giuliani and Bratton the police commissioner,
and how it managed to be maintained pretty well through
the Bloomberg years. Again not endorsing everything these guys did,
(10:58):
but just saying the state of the city better, and
how it started to decline under Deblasio and got considerably worse.
Was the pandemic of factor Sure there are a bunch
of factors that added to this, but there's nothing to
indicate Mom Dami's going to improve this. And what's more,
he makes the point that Mom, Damie, at thirty three,
what you and I think of as Juliani as being
(11:19):
You know, I'm senile enough to think it was not
that long ago that the idea that like the decline
of crime in New York City in the nineteen ninety
Mom Domi has no memory of this. This this is
all before his time. So as a result, he doesn't
know what worked, he doesn't know what changes needed to
be made, and he doesn't know that if you're in
New York of a certain age, you've lived through all
this already. You don't need to re experience it. So
(11:40):
the very frustrating turn of events, you know, the argument
about who should drop out, I think is now it's
like it's all kind of moot. But even if it did,
it's not you know, if you're Cuomo, yeah, I'm sure.
Oh it wouldn't it be great if everybody dropped out.
I'm only down by four. Again, You've already had a
matchup against this guy and you fell. I don't really
(12:01):
see why you would expecting to be dramatically different in
the general election.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Definitely seeing some people getting more scared about Mumdanni though
that there might be willing to hold their nose if
that scenario did present itself, but that scenario as not
presenting itself when it comes to Mum Donnie, Jim, I
don't think this was the last week, I guess. Abby
Phillips over at CNN interviewing Mum Donnie and talking about, Hey,
you know that Kansas City government run grocery store that
was a total failure. Why do you think you'd be
(12:26):
better listen to see if you can understand what Mum
Donnie's trying to say.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Here another example in Kansas City where they had a
government run grocery store and it's been there for years,
but it's on the verge of closing because it doesn't work.
They've been riddled with crime, they've dealt with just a
lack of inventory. There are other examples where it just
hasn't worked because frankly, the government is not that good
(12:51):
at being in the business of being in grocery stores.
So what do you say to that example?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You know, I say to that example as well as
the examples of our own failure. There's the city government
right here in New York City that we have to
prove not only the efficacy but the excellence of this idea.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's awfully close to real socialism hasn't been tried. But yeah,
not quite getting the lingo yet.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That's the second favorite exchange on that topic on Morning
Joe last week. Bill Deblasio, who has endorsed Mom Dommie, said, oh,
you know, government run grocery stores work everywhere. And Joe Scarborough,
to his credit, pushed back on that and said, where
name one case where this has and uh, you know, Deblasio,
(13:36):
you know, with a little bit of a deer in
the headlights look is like, uh, I'll have to get
back to you on that. And you know, again, I
think Joe Scarborough is entitled to take a victory lap,
but be careful because otherwise they might groundhog you. You
have to Blasio reach out, snap your neck like that.
He's just he's vicious. He's a vicious killer everybody. But yeah,
so like again, good for Abby Phillips for asking the question.
(13:58):
I don't think that's a very convincing answer. It Basically,
it's like we need to prove that this thing that
keeps failing can work, which kind of is a good
summary of socialism in a nutshell. And no, it's not
going to work. You know, this time it's going to
be totally different because we're gonna have better signs for
the grocery. I don't know, it just is it's utterly
fascinating to considering all the problems that New York City faces.
(14:20):
This guy comes along with the idea of state run
grocery stores and is you know, looks like he's on
his way to cruising to victory, which is infuriating, and
it makes you wonder if everybody with common sense has
already moved out of New York City.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, it's it's kind of scary. And you know, you
often hear about politicians being in the pocket of somebody.
Mo'm dodding might actually be able to fit in the
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you all right, Jim onto our final martini here And
(16:13):
a new poll from NBC News Decision Desk of gen
Z and they interviewed men who voted for Trump and
women who voted for Harris, and they gave them twelve
different items and said, tell me if it's if this
is important to a personal definition of success for you. Now,
(16:36):
the men who voted for Trump, the number one thing
that was a personal definition of success having children thirty
four percent, followed closely by financial independence, a fulfilling job
and career, being married, having money to do things you want,
owning your own home, being grounded spiritually, making family and
community proud, having no debt, using your talent and resources
(16:56):
to help others, being able to retire early, and coming
in last, having emotional stability and over with the women
who voted for Harris fifty one percent. Number one, fulfilling
job and career, then having money to do things you want,
then having emotional stability, then using talents and resources to
help others, financial independence, having no debt, owning your own home,
(17:17):
making your family and community proud, being grounded spiritually, able
to retire early, and then coming in dead last tied
at six percent, being married and having children. So thinking
about the way this generation is eventually going to reproduce Jim,
It's going to be quite the chore to produce the
next generation. But I think you can see the different
(17:39):
priorities in linking how these people voted last year.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Greg, If what you want is, by a definition, something
you don't already have, then young male Trump voters want children,
and young female Harris voters want emotional stability because they
don't have emotional stability yet. I was thinking about this,
and I was thinking about my colleague romshperoneuro my double
(18:06):
colleague rore eshopreneur rights for both The Posts and National Review,
talked about the impending nuptials of Travis kelcey Uh and
some singer that the idea of this concept of a
capstone marriage. They're both they're both in the thirties, right,
so like they both had very successful careers and this
philosophy at work that understandably and look, you know, getting
(18:29):
married is a giant commitment.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
There's nothing wrong with looking at that and saying, oh,
it's kind of scary, like I think, I think if
you're not scared, the fact that you're scared about something
is a sign you recognize how consequential it is and
you want to get this right. So there's nothing inherently
wrong with that. But what remessioned written about was this
kind of philosophy of people say, oh, I don't want
to get married until I have my career set. I
don't want to get married until I've you know, out
(18:52):
of college, until I've finished my maybe get a grad degree.
They have all these things in life they want to
do before they get married. Most people intend to have
kids after they get married. And the problem is is
that if you kind of feel like your career requires
a graduate degree, if you kind of feel like you're
you know that if your definition of when you're ready
for marriage keeps getting pushed further out, you know, maybe
(19:14):
the late twenties and maybe in to thirties, maybe to
the early thirties. Now people wonder why our birth rate
is going down. Well, if you delay it, you have
fewer years in which you can get you can get pregnant,
you can have children. I'm thinking of my cousin Vinny,
where ms Veto says, I got a biological clock that's
taken like this. You know, you know, if everyone, many
(19:36):
people will tell you getting pregnant after thirty is more challenging,
and getting pregnant after forty is just about difficult, and
there are all kinds of attendant risks that go with that.
So it makes sense for a lot of women to
have this internal clock of oh, I should be married
by thirty because I want to start having kids by
thirty two, thirty three, thirty four or something in there.
It's one of those things where it is probably not
(19:57):
good to have young women who say, oh, I'll do
that later. Oh I'll do that later in life. Speaking
from experience, there's never going to be a perfect time
in your life to feel like it's time to get married.
There's never going to be a perfect time in your
life to say we want to start driving children. There's
always going to be some reason if you're looking for it,
to say, ah, next year, after I get that promotion,
(20:17):
next year things will be my life will be more set. No,
your life will never be more set. This is as
good as it's going to get. And speaking from experience,
you meet that person in life who you want to know,
you want to spend the rest of your life with.
I think when Harry met Sally put it very well.
You want the rest of your life to start as
soon as possible. Don't be afraid to pull that trigger.
And as for having children, Greg, I'm sure you'd agree
(20:38):
with me. They're one of life's greatest blessings. And you
know they transform your life. Yes, they can exhaust you,
Yes they can sometimes drive you crazy. I told you
to close the refrigerator door, that kind of stuff. But
you know, in the end, it's so fulfilling. And I
know some people who put this off and they're now
at a stage of life where it's harder, or they
(20:58):
kind they may have missed that window. I feel really
bad for people who miss out on that. So I've
heard some you know, there are some people who are
saying it's we want to do this earlier in life
because we want to make sure we get this in
and we don't feel this face all these challenges for
doing this. You know, when you try to do this
into your thirties and into your forties, so my hope
that the you know, young women maybe reevaluate things. I
(21:18):
hope that guys are able to be persuasive and say, hey,
you know, let's start this this lovely journey together and
things turn out well. This is kind of an ominous one,
but also as indication like it lest anyone think, between
this and our discussion of job interviews, this podcast is
now two cranky, middle aged guys complaining about young people. Look,
I get it if your generation X, our adult lives
(21:41):
have largely been nine to eleven, the Great Recession and
COVID right like like three, you know, really big significant challenge.
Every generation faces significant challenges Vietnam, World War two, Great Depression,
dust Bowl, et cetera. But if you're young, you know
you've lived in an era of you know, decent amount
of political instability, decent amount of economic ups and downs.
COVID I think was probably as disruptive an event in
(22:04):
American life as anything to come down the pike in
a century or two. So like, yeah, you've had some challenges.
That doesn't mean you get to sit on your parents
live in your parents' basement and sit on the couch forever.
Go out there and start your life. You're gonna enjoy it.
It's gonna be worthwhile. Go read. Have you lifting well?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I laugh at your example there because we came home
from church on Sunday and the freezer was wide open,
so amazingly not much had to be tossed.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But could have been anybody, could have been anybody, very timely.
Two strong suspects on the younger side of the spectrum.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yes, there's no official indictment that's been handed down yet
from the grand jury, but time might tell on that.
And as long as I'm talking about church being grounded spiritually,
I think is a really important part of this too,
because if you're on the same wavelength with that, a
lot of the other things will come out of that
and flow much better in terms of how you raise
your kids, whether you want kids, just how your life goes.
(22:59):
If you're in different places there, you're gonna clash in
a lot of places you don't suspect, especially once you
have kids. So if you have kids, because apparently all
these Harris female voters don't want them at least it's
not very high priority for him, but there are women
who did vote for Trump, for young men who voted
for Trump, not a huge percentage, but they do exist,
so good luck finding then.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Jim.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
On that note, well, recess for today and recon meet tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
So glad you're with us for the Tuesday edition of
the Three Marire Teni Lunch. So many different things to
get to today. We're going to be talking a little
bit about campaign twenty twenty six. The Democrats think they've
found their guide to take down Susan Collins. Gram Plattner
is his name, but uh, grand Platner is not your
run of the mill Democrat. But as we're learning, a
lot of Democrats these days aren't run of the mill Democrats,
including so Rod Mamdani. Got some new polling out of
(00:37):
New York City to take a look at both in
a four way race and a two man race if
it's him head to head against Andy Cuomo, as Curtis
Lee called a couple of weeks ago, and then an
interesting poll on what matters most to gen Z men
and gen Z women. The divide is pretty significant, about
as significant as it was between who they picked for
(00:57):
President of the United States. So a lot to get
into the where Jim, what's got you most excited today.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
There are two things I love Greg. First is being
told that this Democratic candidate that I've never heard of
is going to knock off a Republican senator who has
won every reelection bid, crushes all opponents, sits on a
throne of skulls. And I also like giving young people advice,
not that they like taking it, not that they like
hearing it. But I think you and I are going
(01:23):
to have some thoughts to share on this one coming
up later today.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, no doubt about it. So stay tuned for all
of that. In the meantime. All right, Jim, onto our
first martini. We have no good martiniz today. These are
all kind of either bad or crazy. I guess the
gen Z split is good if you're looking at the guys.
But let's go over to Graham Plattner. He is the
(01:48):
Democratic Senate candidate in Maine. He is a Marine Corps veteran,
did four tours overseas. He is an oyster farmer. He's
as blue collar as they come. Jim and the Democrats
believe that as a result of that, he's going to
relate to the normal folks. Well, we'll see if that's
gonna happen. He's got a couple of problems here. First
(02:08):
of all, he joined the Bernie Sanders Fight the Oligarchy tour.
In fact, he's quoted on stage as saying, I grew
up in rural Maine and I did four tours in
the infantry. I'm not afraid to name the enemy. The
enemy is the oligarchy, and I don't think he ever
defined what he meant by that. But also over at
Free Beacon, they say that Graham Platner defended terrorist groups
(02:29):
in a post nine to eleven newspaper op ed arguing
quote one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter unquote,
and lamenting that quote, every terrorist is portrayed as evil.
And so he wrote this op ed for the Banker
Daily News. Now we should point out that he was
in high school at the time, and he's obviously served
and as far as we know, served honorably in the
Marine Corps on at least four deployments. So maybe you
(02:52):
need to cut him a little bit of slack there.
But given his quick and enthusiastic affiliation with Bernie Sanders,
I don't think we need to be fooled about whether
this guy is a moderate or a far left Democrat.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Greg, this is not the first time we have seen
democrats in the media. And yes, many people are saying,
I'm repeating myself, have fallen in love early on with
a fairly unknown Democratic or independent wink wink challenger. I'm
thinking of Dan Osborne back in the Nebraska Senate race
last cycle. Okay, if you want to say it's unfair
to judge someone too harshly over something they wrote in
(03:27):
high school, fine, But when you pick somebody who's a
political outsider who has no other past activities, then we
can't review their voting record in the state legislature. We can't,
you know, review votes made on a town council or
board of education or something. This is what we got
to go on now, out of curiosity, Greg, When was
that written in the Bangor Daily.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
News November twenty fifth, two thousand and two, two.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Thousand and two. All right, in that era, there was
another great contributor to the Banker Daily News, a correspondent
at State's news service.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Me.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I was right and covering Olympia Snow and Susan Collins
as I used to call them the Nice Lady Caucus
because they were both very nice ladies and lo and behold.
That's very popular in Maine. And almost as long as
Susan Collins has been in the Senate, main Democrats have
talked themselves into believing this is the year we take
her down. We know, we're oh, she's so right wing,
(04:21):
or we're gonna tell you know. And almost every year
she know, not only wins reelection, she usually wins like
a very wide margin. Last cycle, in a sign that
something was really wrong with the polling, Sarah Gideon led
every poll over Susan Collins, usually by a lot, by
like eight points, and then an election day Collins won
by eight points. So you know this interesting. Main Republicans
(04:45):
don't like to answer the phone. They don't like to
tell whatever the factor was going on there, Susan Collins
sits on a throne of skulls, as I like to joke.
And because she's a nice lady, that's what makes it funny.
She's not this you know, hardcore partisan bomb thrower, but
she's very darn popular. Are there? Is it fair to
judge someone for, you know, as a high school or
writing something snotty and obnoxious and insisting the terrorists or
(05:08):
not evil and Okay, you know, but here's the thing. Greg,
there was terrorism when you and I were in high school, right,
you know this is we're around the same age. We're
talking invasion of Panama, We're talking the first Persian Gulf War.
Did did you ever write you know, Sodom was Sayin's
a good guy?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Did you ever write Manuel Noriega is a poor, misunderstood
soul who you know like booah boss. You know, No,
there's no early you know this guy the embassy bombings
and no, Sama bin Lauden, No, like that's not something
like teenagers. Trust me, I got some experience with they'll
do stuff that will drive you crazy. But bin Lauden's
(05:45):
got a point. It's usually not something you see somebody saying.
So I could say, look, this is probably gonna come
up in attack ads and main Democrats are going to say, oh,
this is so unfair. He was a naive, useful guy. Okay, right,
but you know, but when you're just when your whole
theme is this nebulous oligarchy, it's like Timu Brand populism.
It's like all the hard edges have been sanded off
(06:07):
and there's no details there. This is gonna fill the
vacuum here, So like, if this guy thinks he's getting
a raw deal or then you got to go out
and give a very detailed you know, this is the
Graham Platiner platform. This is what I want to do here,
and let the people pick that apart, because in the
absence of that, people that to talk about what you
have done, which was apparently make the argument that terrorists
are unfairly demonized and no, I think they are very
(06:30):
fairly demonized.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, and so in this Free Bacon report it says
that apparently he wasn't the only one who was part
of this column or article or whatever it was, but
they took issue with quote incomplete coverage un quote of
the Israeli Palestinian conflict quote where a sometimes oppressive Israeli
state can be and often is portrayed as a victim. Now,
given Bernie Sanders leading the way on cutting off military
(06:53):
aid to israel I, think this becomes a pretty relevant
issue pretty darn fast. And given where the Democratic Party is,
I think Grant Blader would be probably straight out front
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on to our second martini. This is definitely not good,
but it's a little more intriguing than we might have thought.
(08:34):
A new poll from The New York Times in CNA
looking at the New York City mayor's race shows Zoron
Mamdani with a big lead in the race for mayor.
Forty six percent in favor of Mamdani, twenty four percent
playing to vote for Cuomo, fifteen percent for Curtis Leiwa,
nine percent for Mayor Eric Adams, five percent say they're
still undecided.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
In the same poll, if it's a two person race,
it is not a two person race, and it probably
will never be a two person race. But if it were,
mam Donnie's lead shrinks to four forty eight to forty
four over Cuomo. But another poll from Tulton Research last
month found that Mamdannie leads Cuomo forty two to twenty six,
and if there were two men race, he would still
(09:17):
lead by eleven fifty two to forty one. So getting
a little more intriguing in the hypothetical that's never gonna happen, Jim,
But what do you make of the fact that Mam
Donnie's got a massive lead in a four way race
and a little bit tighter if it were to go
down to two men.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, I don't begrudge the New York Times asking these questions,
but we're talking about something that is now astronomically unlikely.
As you know, Friday, Eric Adams had this highly touted
press conference, and I think you were entirely in your
right mind to say, come on, he's not going to
announce a Friday afternoon press conference to say I'm staying
in the race. And that's exactly what Eric Adams did.
(09:53):
The announced the news announcement was that there was no news,
that nothing was changing and he was staying in there.
Which but like, okay, fine, you know again, it doesn't
seem like it's in his character as we saw, And
I hope again, I hope listeners listen to our interview
with Curtis Slee, But Slee was not interested in a
in a Trump administration job. The only thing he wants
to do is be mayor. And I just don't see
(10:13):
any scenario where he goes back on his word that
dramatically and that emphatically and drops out. So it's probably
gonna be a four away race, and the outlook is
not good. And I you know, again, it's very hard
to convince a New York Republican to say, oh, you
have to convince your guy to drop out just so
you can get the prize of Andrew Cuomo as mayor
that he's you know, this is not a good guy either,
(10:35):
so frustrating. My colleague Rick Brockheiser has this really good
corner post today, just walking through the history of New
York City going back to the seventies and the original
decline in crime under Rudy Giuliani and Bratton the police commissioner,
and how it managed to be maintained pretty well through
the Bloomberg years. Again not endorsing everything these guys did,
(10:58):
but just saying the state of the city better, and
how it started to decline under Deblasio and got considerably worse.
Was the pandemic of factor Sure there are a bunch
of factors that added to this, but there's nothing to
indicate Mom Dami's going to improve this. And what's more,
he makes the point that Mom, Damie, at thirty three,
what you and I think of as Juliani as being
(11:19):
You know, I'm senile enough to think it was not
that long ago that the idea that like the decline
of crime in New York City in the nineteen ninety
Mom Domi has no memory of this. This this is
all before his time. So as a result, he doesn't
know what worked, he doesn't know what changes needed to
be made, and he doesn't know that if you're in
New York of a certain age, you've lived through all
this already. You don't need to re experience it. So
(11:40):
the very frustrating turn of events, you know, the argument
about who should drop out, I think is now it's
like it's all kind of moot. But even if it did,
it's not you know, if you're Cuomo, yeah, I'm sure.
Oh it wouldn't it be great if everybody dropped out.
I'm only down by four. Again, You've already had a
matchup against this guy and you fell. I don't really
(12:01):
see why you would expecting to be dramatically different in
the general election.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Definitely seeing some people getting more scared about Mumdanni though
that there might be willing to hold their nose if
that scenario did present itself, but that scenario as not
presenting itself when it comes to Mum Donnie, Jim, I
don't think this was the last week, I guess. Abby
Phillips over at CNN interviewing Mum Donnie and talking about, Hey,
you know that Kansas City government run grocery store that
was a total failure. Why do you think you'd be
(12:26):
better listen to see if you can understand what Mum
Donnie's trying to say.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Here another example in Kansas City where they had a
government run grocery store and it's been there for years,
but it's on the verge of closing because it doesn't work.
They've been riddled with crime, they've dealt with just a
lack of inventory. There are other examples where it just
hasn't worked because frankly, the government is not that good
(12:51):
at being in the business of being in grocery stores.
So what do you say to that example?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You know, I say to that example as well as
the examples of our own failure. There's the city government
right here in New York City that we have to
prove not only the efficacy but the excellence of this idea.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's awfully close to real socialism hasn't been tried. But yeah,
not quite getting the lingo yet.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That's the second favorite exchange on that topic on Morning
Joe last week. Bill Deblasio, who has endorsed Mom Dommie, said, oh,
you know, government run grocery stores work everywhere. And Joe Scarborough,
to his credit, pushed back on that and said, where
name one case where this has and uh, you know, Deblasio,
(13:36):
you know, with a little bit of a deer in
the headlights look is like, uh, I'll have to get
back to you on that. And you know, again, I
think Joe Scarborough is entitled to take a victory lap,
but be careful because otherwise they might groundhog you. You
have to Blasio reach out, snap your neck like that.
He's just he's vicious. He's a vicious killer everybody. But yeah,
so like again, good for Abby Phillips for asking the question.
(13:58):
I don't think that's a very convincing answer. It Basically,
it's like we need to prove that this thing that
keeps failing can work, which kind of is a good
summary of socialism in a nutshell. And no, it's not
going to work. You know, this time it's going to
be totally different because we're gonna have better signs for
the grocery. I don't know, it just is it's utterly
fascinating to considering all the problems that New York City faces.
(14:20):
This guy comes along with the idea of state run
grocery stores and is you know, looks like he's on
his way to cruising to victory, which is infuriating, and
it makes you wonder if everybody with common sense has
already moved out of New York City.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, it's it's kind of scary. And you know, you
often hear about politicians being in the pocket of somebody.
Mo'm dodding might actually be able to fit in the
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(16:13):
a new poll from NBC News Decision Desk of gen
Z and they interviewed men who voted for Trump and
women who voted for Harris, and they gave them twelve
different items and said, tell me if it's if this
is important to a personal definition of success for you. Now,
(16:36):
the men who voted for Trump, the number one thing
that was a personal definition of success having children thirty
four percent, followed closely by financial independence, a fulfilling job
and career, being married, having money to do things you want,
owning your own home, being grounded spiritually, making family and
community proud, having no debt, using your talent and resources
(16:56):
to help others, being able to retire early, and coming
in last, having emotional stability and over with the women
who voted for Harris fifty one percent. Number one, fulfilling
job and career, then having money to do things you want,
then having emotional stability, then using talents and resources to
help others, financial independence, having no debt, owning your own home,
(17:17):
making your family and community proud, being grounded spiritually, able
to retire early, and then coming in dead last tied
at six percent, being married and having children. So thinking
about the way this generation is eventually going to reproduce Jim,
It's going to be quite the chore to produce the
next generation. But I think you can see the different
(17:39):
priorities in linking how these people voted last year.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Greg, If what you want is, by a definition, something
you don't already have, then young male Trump voters want children,
and young female Harris voters want emotional stability because they
don't have emotional stability yet. I was thinking about this,
and I was thinking about my colleague romshperoneuro my double
(18:06):
colleague rore eshopreneur rights for both The Posts and National Review,
talked about the impending nuptials of Travis kelcey Uh and
some singer that the idea of this concept of a
capstone marriage. They're both they're both in the thirties, right,
so like they both had very successful careers and this
philosophy at work that understandably and look, you know, getting
(18:29):
married is a giant commitment.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
There's nothing wrong with looking at that and saying, oh,
it's kind of scary, like I think, I think if
you're not scared, the fact that you're scared about something
is a sign you recognize how consequential it is and
you want to get this right. So there's nothing inherently
wrong with that. But what remessioned written about was this
kind of philosophy of people say, oh, I don't want
to get married until I have my career set. I
don't want to get married until I've you know, out
(18:52):
of college, until I've finished my maybe get a grad degree.
They have all these things in life they want to
do before they get married. Most people intend to have
kids after they get married. And the problem is is
that if you kind of feel like your career requires
a graduate degree, if you kind of feel like you're
you know that if your definition of when you're ready
for marriage keeps getting pushed further out, you know, maybe
(19:14):
the late twenties and maybe in to thirties, maybe to
the early thirties. Now people wonder why our birth rate
is going down. Well, if you delay it, you have
fewer years in which you can get you can get pregnant,
you can have children. I'm thinking of my cousin Vinny,
where ms Veto says, I got a biological clock that's
taken like this. You know, you know, if everyone, many
(19:36):
people will tell you getting pregnant after thirty is more challenging,
and getting pregnant after forty is just about difficult, and
there are all kinds of attendant risks that go with that.
So it makes sense for a lot of women to
have this internal clock of oh, I should be married
by thirty because I want to start having kids by
thirty two, thirty three, thirty four or something in there.
It's one of those things where it is probably not
(19:57):
good to have young women who say, oh, I'll do
that later. Oh I'll do that later in life. Speaking
from experience, there's never going to be a perfect time
in your life to feel like it's time to get married.
There's never going to be a perfect time in your
life to say we want to start driving children. There's
always going to be some reason if you're looking for it,
to say, ah, next year, after I get that promotion,
(20:17):
next year things will be my life will be more set. No,
your life will never be more set. This is as
good as it's going to get. And speaking from experience,
you meet that person in life who you want to know,
you want to spend the rest of your life with.
I think when Harry met Sally put it very well.
You want the rest of your life to start as
soon as possible. Don't be afraid to pull that trigger.
And as for having children, Greg, I'm sure you'd agree
(20:38):
with me. They're one of life's greatest blessings. And you
know they transform your life. Yes, they can exhaust you,
Yes they can sometimes drive you crazy. I told you
to close the refrigerator door, that kind of stuff. But
you know, in the end, it's so fulfilling. And I
know some people who put this off and they're now
at a stage of life where it's harder, or they
(20:58):
kind they may have missed that window. I feel really
bad for people who miss out on that. So I've
heard some you know, there are some people who are
saying it's we want to do this earlier in life
because we want to make sure we get this in
and we don't feel this face all these challenges for
doing this. You know, when you try to do this
into your thirties and into your forties, so my hope
that the you know, young women maybe reevaluate things. I
(21:18):
hope that guys are able to be persuasive and say, hey,
you know, let's start this this lovely journey together and
things turn out well. This is kind of an ominous one,
but also as indication like it lest anyone think, between
this and our discussion of job interviews, this podcast is
now two cranky, middle aged guys complaining about young people. Look,
I get it if your generation X, our adult lives
(21:41):
have largely been nine to eleven, the Great Recession and
COVID right like like three, you know, really big significant challenge.
Every generation faces significant challenges Vietnam, World War two, Great Depression,
dust Bowl, et cetera. But if you're young, you know
you've lived in an era of you know, decent amount
of political instability, decent amount of economic ups and downs.
COVID I think was probably as disruptive an event in
(22:04):
American life as anything to come down the pike in
a century or two. So like, yeah, you've had some challenges.
That doesn't mean you get to sit on your parents
live in your parents' basement and sit on the couch forever.
Go out there and start your life. You're gonna enjoy it.
It's gonna be worthwhile. Go read. Have you lifting well?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I laugh at your example there because we came home
from church on Sunday and the freezer was wide open,
so amazingly not much had to be tossed.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
But could have been anybody, could have been anybody, very timely.
Two strong suspects on the younger side of the spectrum.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yes, there's no official indictment that's been handed down yet
from the grand jury, but time might tell on that.
And as long as I'm talking about church being grounded spiritually,
I think is a really important part of this too,
because if you're on the same wavelength with that, a
lot of the other things will come out of that
and flow much better in terms of how you raise
your kids, whether you want kids, just how your life goes.
(22:59):
If you're in different places there, you're gonna clash in
a lot of places you don't suspect, especially once you
have kids. So if you have kids, because apparently all
these Harris female voters don't want them at least it's
not very high priority for him, but there are women
who did vote for Trump, for young men who voted
for Trump, not a huge percentage, but they do exist,
so good luck finding then.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Jim.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
On that note, well, recess for today and recon meet tomorrow.
See then, see tomorrow, Greg, Jim Garretty, National Review. I'm
Greg Corumbus of Radio America. Thanks so much for being
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