October 3, 2025 • 27 mins
Hillsdale College Radio General Manager and Radio Free Hillsdale Hour host Scot Bertram fills in for Jim on Friday’s 3 Martini Lunch. Join Scot and Greg as they break down the end of taxpayer-funded subsidies for electric vehicles, Zohran Mamdani’s push to dismantle gifted education, and trust in the news media falling to yet another all-time low.
First, they welcome the expiration of $7,500 federal subsidies for electric vehicle buyers, which ended in September under the Republicans’ One Big Beautiful Bill. The subsidies were paid for with your tax dollars. Automakers enjoyed a brief sales surge before the deadline but are now bracing for a steep drop in demand. Scot points out that despite Democrats’ efforts to force us to accept EV's, most people just don't want one.
Next, they groan as Democrat New York City mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani vows to end gifted education from kindergarten through second grade. Scot and Greg explain how the left is obsessed with equity instead of excellence. So instead of pushing every student to be the best they can be, they hold back the higher-achieving students to create more equal outcomes.
Finally, they review the latest Gallup poll showing only 28 percent of Americans have trust in the media, which is yet another record low. Scot gives one example from just the past few weeks to explain why that loss of trust is fully justified. They also explain how this gives other news sources to win that trust. They also note efforts by CBS and The Washington Post to bring in more voices and more perspectives to their news and opinion content.
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First, they welcome the expiration of $7,500 federal subsidies for electric vehicle buyers, which ended in September under the Republicans’ One Big Beautiful Bill. The subsidies were paid for with your tax dollars. Automakers enjoyed a brief sales surge before the deadline but are now bracing for a steep drop in demand. Scot points out that despite Democrats’ efforts to force us to accept EV's, most people just don't want one.
Next, they groan as Democrat New York City mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani vows to end gifted education from kindergarten through second grade. Scot and Greg explain how the left is obsessed with equity instead of excellence. So instead of pushing every student to be the best they can be, they hold back the higher-achieving students to create more equal outcomes.
Finally, they review the latest Gallup poll showing only 28 percent of Americans have trust in the media, which is yet another record low. Scot gives one example from just the past few weeks to explain why that loss of trust is fully justified. They also explain how this gives other news sources to win that trust. They also note efforts by CBS and The Washington Post to bring in more voices and more perspectives to their news and opinion content.
Please visit our great sponsors:
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
and Jim Garrity of National Review.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Free Martinis coming up.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Very glad you're with us for the Friday edition of
the Three Martiny Lunch. As you know, Jim Garrity is
away here in his place Scott Bertram, general manager of
WRFH Radio Free Hillsdale in the campus of Hillsdale College
in Michigan. Ralso lectures in Journalism. Scott is also the
director of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network and he hosts
a bunch of those podcasts, including the Radio Free Hillsdale
(00:35):
Hour and Scott. Great to have you with us again.
No lies told, Greg, thank you, excellent, excellent. All right, well,
we definitely have good, bad, and crazy, with the potential
for good in the last one. So let's start with
the definite good right now. Of course, everybody's talking about
the government shutdown. They're talking about Obamacare subsidies. But there's
(00:59):
another subsidy we're going to start with today, and that
is the electric vehicle subsidy seventy five hundred bucks that
had been handed out by the government for anybody buying
an electric vehicle because of course they are trying to
convince America that they, you know, that's where we want
to be in ten fifteen years with a massive percentage
of the sales. Well, that certainly wasn't happening. That certainly
(01:22):
isn't happening. But it did help to hand over seventy
five hundred dollars in tax breaks for people who are
willing to take the chance on an EV. And as
a result, they were pretty brisk EV sales by EV
standards over the last couple of months. But now that subsidy,
as a result of the big beautiful bill, I guess
it's the one big beautiful bill is gone. It's gone
(01:44):
as of October first, and now the automakers are saying
they expect an absolute drop off in EV sales, with
Jim Farley of Ford saying that electric vehicle sales in
the US could fall by half after the expiration of
the federal tax credit for plug in vehicles now, Scott,
usually automakers just jack up the price for whatever the
(02:04):
subsidy is, is reducing the price by the same amount,
not an option, I don't know. But what do you
make of the incentive going away?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Here?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't think it's an option because, based on some
of the financials I've seen, even with all of that,
car companies were still losing money on evs, like every
EV sale actually costs them money in some way, but
they were working toward the greater good in some way.
So I don't think that lowering prices really eas even
is an option in this particular instance. But yes, you know,
(02:36):
when taxpayers stopped putting a percent into the bill, all
of a sudden, people don't want to buy things anymore.
It's a interesting rule of economics, I guess. Jim Farley,
who's the CEO, said in this piece in the Detroit News,
customers are pesky. They surprise you. They definitely surprised US.
Customers are not interested in the seventy five thousand dollars
(02:57):
electric vehicle you could have given me. I don't know,
one hundred thousand dollars. I would have told you years ago.
I was a gym buddy pal. Customers aren't interested in
a seventy five thousand dollars electric vehicle.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Think of all the billions.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Of dollars that one time one hundred thousand dollars payment
to me could have saved four. I would have told
them years ago customers don't want seventy five thousand dollars
electric vehicles. They had to learn things the hard way.
It is interesting, you know, the more you look in here,
he says, Look, evs still will have a market for
short run commuter vehicles, and that's five to seven percent
(03:37):
of the market. And that makes some sense. Like my
commute is four minutes from home to the college. I'd
be okay with an electric vehicle to make that commute.
I don't have to worry about running out of fuel
if something breaks down, If I run out of electricity,
I can walk home. It's not a big deal, right.
It's when you begin to build into oh, we have
(03:57):
family that lives three states away, How'm I gonna get there?
And where are the charging stations? And when the rubber
hits the road. And we've talked about this before. Range
anxiety is a real thing, and no one really wants
to sit down and plan seventeen stops exaggerating just slightly,
for you know, a trip across a couple of states
(04:19):
and when you get there, there are people in line,
and it takes twenty five thirty minutes to charge the
idea people like the execution, they don't, and when they
get literally have put in front of them the opportunity
to buy a seventy five thousand other vehicle and then think, well, okay,
I got to pay that, and then spend most of
my waking hours figuring out how to use this thing
that is supposed to be nice and easy and serve me,
(04:41):
and not I serve it.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They don't want any of it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So I don't think a prediction of a decrease in
electric vehicle sales is outlandish at all, now that Ford
has learned the lesson about what people are willing to
pay for something like this exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I mean, I don't want an EV for a wide
number of reasons, but the the stress over where you're
gonna recharge in that case or refuel never even crosses
my mind hardly when I'm driving an internal combustion car,
except when you're on the turnpike and you're like, oh,
can I make it to the next service plaza?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Can I do it?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Can I do it?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And usually if you're traveling with a wife and kids,
you don't gamble as much as when you were.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Ever and single.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But it's interesting that he says, now that'll plummet in
half in October here, that'll go down to five percent
of all sales. So even at the peak of everybody
wanting to get in on this seventy five hundred dollars
credit before it goes away, it was only going up
to about ten percent. And so the Joe Biden Gavin
Newsome goal of what was it seventy percent or two
(05:42):
thirds or seventy five percent by twenty thirty, A long
way to go there fellas long way to go.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You might get there in California because they're not afraid
to put more Codian restrictions on the kind of things
people can buy out there, all sorts of different California laws,
as people know. But also because there's a they'rea is
a robust network out there, and and some of the
ev sales in California have been have been a much
higher than elsewhere in the country. You know, it's a
regional thing. It's like in and out Burger. Fine, you
(06:09):
want that, go out, go out West, have an overriding
in and out Burger, which it is, and buy an Evy,
But the rest of the country will eat Culver's and
love it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's best.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
They continue to say that, and we're gonna drive internal
combustion engines and that's just the way it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Stuff to beat the Butterburger. I've had it or out.
I like that too, but I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna get in that involved in that war. I'm already
not in a good mood when it comes to cars today, Scott,
because you know what I have to do after we
do the podcast, I got to go pay my personal
property tax here in Virginia, which is more colloquially known
as the car tax, which even after you've long paid
off your car, you still got to pay this every
(06:45):
single year, just like you've got to pay your property taxes,
and depending on the age of your car, it could
be a lot. So last year I think we forked
over somewhere between seven and eight hundred dollars just for
the joy of having cars we've already paid off. In
the Commonwealth of Virginia. Every Republican good natorial candidate since
I've moved here has wanted to kill it. Jim Gilmour
(07:08):
did the most to get that done, but of course
Mark Warner then stopped it, and since then it's been
pretty much frozen in place. Win some Sears is planning
to acts the tax if she gets in, which I
think would still be tough even if she does win,
which is unlikely. But the fact that they collect this
tax less than a month before election day and it
still exists is an indictment on the voters of Virginia.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And so it is it like your license plate registration
or is it even more than that, because in Illinois
and Michigan, where I've lived, you have to pay each
year to get a sticker to put on your license
plate to say I'm registered with the stage.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Oh yeah, you got to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So it's an addition to that.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Oh yeah, this is your yeah, your personal property tax
based on some specific percentage of the blue book value
of your vehicle. It's absolute government thievery, and the fact
that it still exists is just sad. There are so
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(09:13):
have not only elections in Virginia this year, but New Jersey,
which has a closer governor's race, and there's the not
as close as we'd like it to be mayor's race
in New York City. We did see the exit of
Eric Adams earlier this week, but given his poll numbers,
that's not likely to make a huge difference. Zoron Mamdani
is still the overwhelming favorite to win in about a month,
(09:35):
and we already know what his thoughts are on crime,
which was just a clip I saw on social media
of him from before the primary, saying violent crime is
a social construct because burglary is included and burglary doesn't
always involve harming another person. So good luck New York
on that issue. But he's also taking aim at the
education system hat tipped to the Free Beacon on this one.
(09:58):
Socialist New York City mayor candidate Zron Mamdanni plans to
eliminate the Gifted and Talented program, which The New York
Times calls quote a symbol of segregation for younger grades
in public schools. In response to a Times questionnaire, Mom
Donnie said the Gifted program would not be offered to
Kindergartner's next fall if he wins the mayor's race, allowing
(10:18):
it to be phased out of first and second grades
in subsequent years. Students currently enrolled will be able to
continue in third grade would remain as an entry point
into the program. The Times noted the Gifted program has
been widely criticized for exacerbating segregation by quote admitting few
black and Latino students into the classes. According to The Times,
(10:39):
mister mam Donnie's plan would reshape education for some of
the youngest children in the nation's largest school system and
could reignite a fraught citywide debate over how and whether
New York should address inequality in the enrollment of its
selective academic programs. Mam Donnie's answer to this, of course,
is that we're just going to have great education for everyone,
(11:01):
so you don't have to have it gifted and talented
program because.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
The schools are just going to be so so well.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So, Scott, this is obviously pie and the Sky stuff
not a surprise because the left doesn't like gifted programs
because they don't like deciding things based on merit or ability.
They want it based on equity. So we have equal
results across the board. But those kids definitely need something
extra because them being bored.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
With the usual materials.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Kind of the same in the opposite way of kids
who are struggling to understand the regular material and both
need some help. But of course it's only going to
be on one end of the spectrum where there's going
to be a crackdown.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Isn't the problem greg that? Right now, we have way
too much equity in our public school system in many places,
meeting vast majority of kids can't read, can't do arithmetic,
can't pass tests, can't pass standardize exams. Seems like there's
too much equity, Too many results are the same. We
need different results, we need we need different to try
(12:01):
to teach our children.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's an argument that also is echoed in the charter
school movement too, and it's one that I never really understand.
It goes something like, well, if we can't get that
education for everyone, then no one should get it. If
everyone can't get that, then no one should, which doesn't
make any sense to me. Right You want to help
(12:24):
as many students as possible get a better education, and
especially those students who are gifted or have the ability
to move at a faster pace than the rest of
their peers. You want them at a situation where they
can excel, and perhaps where students who are remaining in
that classroom can get more help or extra help from teachers.
(12:45):
And now, perhaps if you were students, since those students
are off in a different program, you know there's not
a finite pie of knowledge. Because some students are better,
because some students are excelling, or because some students are
in these gifted programs, doesn't mean that other students don't
have the same opportunity to learn. You look at what's
happening in Chicago with the Chicago Teachers' Union, and again,
(13:08):
test scores there, test scores in New York. You would
want to try something different. And as you said, moum,
Donnie is saying, well, look, the education is going to
be great for all. Well, it hasn't been, and hasn't
been for quite a long time. And no one's necessarily
proposing anything except which you'll hear, more money. We need
more money. We need full funding. Our schools have to
(13:30):
be fully funded. No one ever says what the full
fund is. Right, You notice that no one says, oh,
once we get to eleven thousand dollars per student, that'll
be more than enough. Eleven thousand dollars will guarantee you
students excelling and test scores off the charts. No one
just more money, full funding without looking at things that work.
We don't have to go deep into this, but I'm
(13:51):
sure you and Jim perhaps have talked about the Mississippi miracle,
the test scores we're seeing in that state over the
past five six years, moving from forty ninth, forty eighth
to I thought I saw this morning twelfth or eleventh
in some categories. Cover story in Nashittal review by raquass
I think two months ago about this Mississippi miracle, you
(14:12):
would think people would look and say, how can we
replicate this? How can our schools have the same sense
of achievement? And instead we're looking at ways to prevent
the best students in the system from actually doing better.
This is what you're voting for, right, I mean, if
you're a wealthy liberal in New York, we know from
the primary results you probably voted for Mom Donnie, and
(14:34):
so this is the sort of thing you get.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, that's true, Scott. You probably spend more time than
you need to on extras like I do. But have
you ever said, have you seen the meme of equity
of the three people of different heights you're trying to
look over the fence, you know. The the utopian idea
is that everybody eventually, you know, the tallest guy can
already do it, and then the next person needs one
box and the little kid needs two boxes. But the
(14:58):
real left wing is that everybody ends up not being
able to see it because the short kids still can't,
the middle kids still can't, and then they basically slice
the legs off the tall kids so he can't see
it either. So you basically hurt the people who are
achieving in order to supposedly help the people who are struggling,
but you end up helping no one in the end.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean the quote from Oh it's actually a
quote from Quolma I think. But this is about limiting
opportunity for students, you know, just across the board saying
we're not going to do this anymore, limiting opportunity and
more control, right, limiting opportunity and allowing the government and
teachers' unions additional control over a greater number of students
(15:41):
at a younger age. But that sound great, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
By the way your idea of the fonding never being
accompanied by an actual number of what the appropriate funding
is just totally reminds me of the fair share.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The rich and the.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Corporations need to pay their fair share. What is the
fair share? So it forty percent? Is it sixty percent?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
You know?
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Which is not at all a surprise, but I potentially
see some good news here, and I think we've been
trending good in a way on this issue. It's trust
in the media. Trust in the media's at an all
time low, which I'm sure will surprise zero of our listeners.
NewsBusters reporting that Gallup began this survey in nineteen seventy
two and at that time seven and ten adults had
(17:50):
either a fair or great deal of trust in newspapers, television,
and radio to report the news fully, accurately and fairly well.
That is now today seven and ten have either not
very much confidence thirty six percent or none at all
thirty four percent, And this year's survey marks the first
time that fewer than three and ten US adults have
expressed trust in the news that are being fed by
(18:12):
the media. Confidence fell below the fifty percent level in
two thousand and four and has only headed south since then.
Twenty eight percent today say they have at least a
fair amount of trust in the media, down from thirty
one percent last year and forty percent five years ago.
Even among Democrats, only fifty one percent have confidence in
the news media today. So Scott, this is not a shock,
(18:36):
but I think the good news here and it's been
going this way for a while. Elon Musk tells us
all the time, you are the media now social media. Obviously,
you know a wide variety of Internet news sources are
out there. We're not stuck with the three networks and
the New York Times basically to feed us the news
like we were before the Internet era. So we have options,
(18:56):
and as long as you know where to look for
reliable information that does actually beach of the right information.
I think we're heading in the right direction, which is
bad news for the networks and the old guard media.
But there's also a great responsibility on the new folks
to get it right too. But the opportunity for more
trust is there, it's just going to be more fragmented
than in the past.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think sixty eight percent a great deal of fair
amount of trust in nineteen seventy two, and seventy percent
today say not very much or none at all, which
I know you just said. Point being back in nineteen
seventy two, who would have known better. That's part of
the point, right, Yeah, nineteen seventy two, you didn't have
alternate media sources, and you didn't have anything to sort
(19:36):
of say, wait a minute, that's not true, or that's
not right, or no, here's the raw video.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It didn't exist. What I'm saying, I can't blame.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
People in nineteen seventy two for saying, hey, yeah, this
is the news, this is how it's presented to us.
We trust CBSABC ANDBC. As soon as those new sources
begin to enter the pictures, when you see these numbers
begin to change. We have Catherine Herridge on campus this
week and next week the Great investigative Reporter formerly CBS,
(20:06):
formerly Fox, now independent. She talked a bit about this
last night in her lecture public lecture here on campus.
She's an independent journalist now, she's not connected to any
kind of network and so she was surprised, she I believe.
She said she got Marco Rubio's first interview after becoming
Secretary of State and asked him, like, why would you
(20:30):
talk to me and not someone from these other networks,
And of course Rubis said, well, this is where the
people are now. Is people trust you, not the network.
They trust you, the reporter that they have the trust
in that person and not necessarily the network that stands
behind it. And much like we just talked about with education,
you need to try something different because what's what's happening
(20:53):
isn't working. And we see CBS maybe trying something different
with Free Press and Barry Weisse being involved. And it's
so funny to see people freak out and very funny
to hear people describe Barry Wise as a conservative. She's
not in any real way except not being on the
extreme left.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Now the definition of right wing is not being in
lockstep with the extreme left element in the country and
not following those politics to a t. She's not conservative.
Will we see more conservative views or any It's possible
because at least she's open minded. But that's also what
they hate about her. She's open to other opinions and
(21:37):
open minded to other ways of covering the news and
try to be a more accurate and also be more
accountable to the viewers, to the news consumer. You know,
people watch and people see, and it's just so striking
to me that no one among the legacy media seems
to want to try to do anything different to They
(22:00):
keep saying, well, we need that, we have to win
back your trust. We need to be a reputable source
of information. And people watch things like the reaction to
the Charlie Kirk assassination. They see mainstream media saying, well,
you know, we could have been on the far rights
and we just don't know. And every time there's some
sort of attack or terrorist attack.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
We may never know his motive.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
We know he wrote these specific things on bullet casings,
but we just might never know the real motive behind
this shooting. This attack. People know, people recognize, people saw
what happened. Into twenty twenty four election, whether it be
with you know, covering up Joe Biden's frailties and you
(22:42):
know the note cards that Joe Biden would carry with
the exact questions that media members are going to ask
him at press conferences, and no one's ever really explained
how that happened or what that collusion was like and
sixty minutes and then come on to Harris interviews and
how they edited those people watch people are not dumb,
and they're making decisions about where to get news and
(23:04):
who to trust. If that number is going to turn around,
it's going to take a very different perspective, at a
very different approach to covering the news and bringing Americans information.
And at least CBS is going to try something different,
and they're going to be pilloried by other legacy media
(23:25):
members for trying this different thing. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I kind of see Barry Weiss mainly it's going back
to where the left was maybe thirty years ago. On
most issues, she's going to be trending left. But as
she demonstrated in that interview with Brian Stelter a few
years ago, we played it back a few weeks ago
when it sounded like CBS and the Free Press, we're
going to.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Make this deal.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
She basically says, Yeah, the left is god insane when
they think that men and women are interchangeable and you
can put men in women's locker rooms. You know, when
everybody censors the Hunter Biden New York Post story just
because it's bad for Joe Biden a couple of weeks
before an election, and of course they mainly hate her
right now because she's you know, pro Israel. So those
(24:07):
are the unforgivable sens on the left right now. And
so that's enough for everybody to be pulling their hair out.
But we'll see how this works. It'll you know, be
a little while before they fully ramp up, probably, but
give it a shot. Like you said, at least BBS
is trying something.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
There's a small experiment happening here with CBS. And also,
i think to a slightly lesser extent, although we don't
know exactly what CBS is going to look like with
the Washington Post right and ended up purging through one
way or another, and a lot of longtime writers, a
lot of writers that people would look and say, probably
some bias happening there, and also totally reshaping the editorial board.
(24:46):
Jim's colleague Domatic Pino has just moved over there from
National Review, which I think is a tremendous hire. There
are interesting voices. They're trying something different, it looks like
at the Washington Post and now also at CBS.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
So you're saying you don't miss Jen Ruben and Taylor
Lorenz on the pages of the Washington Post find that
hard to believe. By the way, exit here. Scott Trump
has just tweeted out in a very long I guess
it's a truth social post that Hamas has till six
pm Washington Times Sunday evening to give him an answer
about whether they want peace in the Middle East for
(25:19):
the first time in three thousand years, or whether they're
going to suffer like no one's ever suffered. Before six o'clock,
he thinks he's going to wrap this up in the
halftime of the second game. I thought he'd maybe push
it till seven thirty so we could at least get
through that second wave of games.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What do you think, Well, we'll see, you know, I saw.
I don't recall who said this today is probably multiple people.
It's this is the only genocide in world history where
the people being genocided are demanding things to make it stop.
Like they're not just saying saying no, no, no, no. We
have some conditions we want to stop this genocide.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, yes, we talked about that. That is yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Hamas is like, this looks pretty good except for the
part where we leave and give up our weapons.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Other than that, you know, the part where we stop
fighting is the part that we have a real big
problem with here. So le, let's see if we can
figure something out.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Oh man, Yeah, something tells me that if the great
it's not going to last real long. But Scott, great
to have you with us as always, and we'll do
it a couple more times next week.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Sounds good.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Thanks Greg, Scott Bertram, general manager WRFH Radio Free Hillsdale
one on one point seven on your dial on the
campus of Hillsdale College. Also he's a lecturer in journalism there.
He is the director of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network
and the host.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Of the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America. Thanks so much for
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Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Free Martinis coming up.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Very glad you're with us for the Friday edition of
the Three Martiny Lunch. As you know, Jim Garrity is
away here in his place Scott Bertram, general manager of
WRFH Radio Free Hillsdale in the campus of Hillsdale College
in Michigan. Ralso lectures in Journalism. Scott is also the
director of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network and he hosts
a bunch of those podcasts, including the Radio Free Hillsdale
(00:35):
Hour and Scott. Great to have you with us again.
No lies told, Greg, thank you, excellent, excellent. All right, well,
we definitely have good, bad, and crazy, with the potential
for good in the last one. So let's start with
the definite good right now. Of course, everybody's talking about
the government shutdown. They're talking about Obamacare subsidies. But there's
(00:59):
another subsidy we're going to start with today, and that
is the electric vehicle subsidy seventy five hundred bucks that
had been handed out by the government for anybody buying
an electric vehicle because of course they are trying to
convince America that they, you know, that's where we want
to be in ten fifteen years with a massive percentage
of the sales. Well, that certainly wasn't happening. That certainly
(01:22):
isn't happening. But it did help to hand over seventy
five hundred dollars in tax breaks for people who are
willing to take the chance on an EV. And as
a result, they were pretty brisk EV sales by EV
standards over the last couple of months. But now that subsidy,
as a result of the big beautiful bill, I guess
it's the one big beautiful bill is gone. It's gone
(01:44):
as of October first, and now the automakers are saying
they expect an absolute drop off in EV sales, with
Jim Farley of Ford saying that electric vehicle sales in
the US could fall by half after the expiration of
the federal tax credit for plug in vehicles now, Scott,
usually automakers just jack up the price for whatever the
(02:04):
subsidy is, is reducing the price by the same amount,
not an option, I don't know. But what do you
make of the incentive going away?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Here?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't think it's an option because, based on some
of the financials I've seen, even with all of that,
car companies were still losing money on evs, like every
EV sale actually costs them money in some way, but
they were working toward the greater good in some way.
So I don't think that lowering prices really eas even
is an option in this particular instance. But yes, you know,
(02:36):
when taxpayers stopped putting a percent into the bill, all
of a sudden, people don't want to buy things anymore.
It's a interesting rule of economics, I guess. Jim Farley,
who's the CEO, said in this piece in the Detroit News,
customers are pesky. They surprise you. They definitely surprised US.
Customers are not interested in the seventy five thousand dollars
(02:57):
electric vehicle you could have given me. I don't know,
one hundred thousand dollars. I would have told you years ago.
I was a gym buddy pal. Customers aren't interested in
a seventy five thousand dollars electric vehicle.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Think of all the billions.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Of dollars that one time one hundred thousand dollars payment
to me could have saved four. I would have told
them years ago customers don't want seventy five thousand dollars
electric vehicles. They had to learn things the hard way.
It is interesting, you know, the more you look in here,
he says, Look, evs still will have a market for
short run commuter vehicles, and that's five to seven percent
(03:37):
of the market. And that makes some sense. Like my
commute is four minutes from home to the college. I'd
be okay with an electric vehicle to make that commute.
I don't have to worry about running out of fuel
if something breaks down, If I run out of electricity,
I can walk home. It's not a big deal, right.
It's when you begin to build into oh, we have
(03:57):
family that lives three states away, How'm I gonna get there?
And where are the charging stations? And when the rubber
hits the road. And we've talked about this before. Range
anxiety is a real thing, and no one really wants
to sit down and plan seventeen stops exaggerating just slightly,
for you know, a trip across a couple of states
(04:19):
and when you get there, there are people in line,
and it takes twenty five thirty minutes to charge the
idea people like the execution, they don't, and when they
get literally have put in front of them the opportunity
to buy a seventy five thousand other vehicle and then think, well, okay,
I got to pay that, and then spend most of
my waking hours figuring out how to use this thing
that is supposed to be nice and easy and serve me,
(04:41):
and not I serve it.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They don't want any of it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So I don't think a prediction of a decrease in
electric vehicle sales is outlandish at all, now that Ford
has learned the lesson about what people are willing to
pay for something like this exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I mean, I don't want an EV for a wide
number of reasons, but the the stress over where you're
gonna recharge in that case or refuel never even crosses
my mind hardly when I'm driving an internal combustion car,
except when you're on the turnpike and you're like, oh,
can I make it to the next service plaza?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Can I do it?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Can I do it?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
And usually if you're traveling with a wife and kids,
you don't gamble as much as when you were.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Ever and single.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But it's interesting that he says, now that'll plummet in
half in October here, that'll go down to five percent
of all sales. So even at the peak of everybody
wanting to get in on this seventy five hundred dollars
credit before it goes away, it was only going up
to about ten percent. And so the Joe Biden Gavin
Newsome goal of what was it seventy percent or two
(05:42):
thirds or seventy five percent by twenty thirty, A long
way to go there fellas long way to go.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You might get there in California because they're not afraid
to put more Codian restrictions on the kind of things
people can buy out there, all sorts of different California laws,
as people know. But also because there's a they'rea is
a robust network out there, and and some of the
ev sales in California have been have been a much
higher than elsewhere in the country. You know, it's a
regional thing. It's like in and out Burger. Fine, you
(06:09):
want that, go out, go out West, have an overriding
in and out Burger, which it is, and buy an Evy,
But the rest of the country will eat Culver's and
love it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's best.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
They continue to say that, and we're gonna drive internal
combustion engines and that's just the way it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Stuff to beat the Butterburger. I've had it or out.
I like that too, but I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna get in that involved in that war. I'm already
not in a good mood when it comes to cars today, Scott,
because you know what I have to do after we
do the podcast, I got to go pay my personal
property tax here in Virginia, which is more colloquially known
as the car tax, which even after you've long paid
off your car, you still got to pay this every
(06:45):
single year, just like you've got to pay your property taxes,
and depending on the age of your car, it could
be a lot. So last year I think we forked
over somewhere between seven and eight hundred dollars just for
the joy of having cars we've already paid off. In
the Commonwealth of Virginia. Every Republican good natorial candidate since
I've moved here has wanted to kill it. Jim Gilmour
(07:08):
did the most to get that done, but of course
Mark Warner then stopped it, and since then it's been
pretty much frozen in place. Win some Sears is planning
to acts the tax if she gets in, which I
think would still be tough even if she does win,
which is unlikely. But the fact that they collect this
tax less than a month before election day and it
still exists is an indictment on the voters of Virginia.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And so it is it like your license plate registration
or is it even more than that, because in Illinois
and Michigan, where I've lived, you have to pay each
year to get a sticker to put on your license
plate to say I'm registered with the stage.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Oh yeah, you got to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So it's an addition to that.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Oh yeah, this is your yeah, your personal property tax
based on some specific percentage of the blue book value
of your vehicle. It's absolute government thievery, and the fact
that it still exists is just sad. There are so
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have not only elections in Virginia this year, but New Jersey,
which has a closer governor's race, and there's the not
as close as we'd like it to be mayor's race
in New York City. We did see the exit of
Eric Adams earlier this week, but given his poll numbers,
that's not likely to make a huge difference. Zoron Mamdani
is still the overwhelming favorite to win in about a month,
(09:35):
and we already know what his thoughts are on crime,
which was just a clip I saw on social media
of him from before the primary, saying violent crime is
a social construct because burglary is included and burglary doesn't
always involve harming another person. So good luck New York
on that issue. But he's also taking aim at the
education system hat tipped to the Free Beacon on this one.
(09:58):
Socialist New York City mayor candidate Zron Mamdanni plans to
eliminate the Gifted and Talented program, which The New York
Times calls quote a symbol of segregation for younger grades
in public schools. In response to a Times questionnaire, Mom
Donnie said the Gifted program would not be offered to
Kindergartner's next fall if he wins the mayor's race, allowing
(10:18):
it to be phased out of first and second grades
in subsequent years. Students currently enrolled will be able to
continue in third grade would remain as an entry point
into the program. The Times noted the Gifted program has
been widely criticized for exacerbating segregation by quote admitting few
black and Latino students into the classes. According to The Times,
(10:39):
mister mam Donnie's plan would reshape education for some of
the youngest children in the nation's largest school system and
could reignite a fraught citywide debate over how and whether
New York should address inequality in the enrollment of its
selective academic programs. Mam Donnie's answer to this, of course,
is that we're just going to have great education for everyone,
(11:01):
so you don't have to have it gifted and talented
program because.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
The schools are just going to be so so well.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So, Scott, this is obviously pie and the Sky stuff
not a surprise because the left doesn't like gifted programs
because they don't like deciding things based on merit or ability.
They want it based on equity. So we have equal
results across the board. But those kids definitely need something
extra because them being bored.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
With the usual materials.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Kind of the same in the opposite way of kids
who are struggling to understand the regular material and both
need some help. But of course it's only going to
be on one end of the spectrum where there's going
to be a crackdown.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Isn't the problem greg that? Right now, we have way
too much equity in our public school system in many places,
meeting vast majority of kids can't read, can't do arithmetic,
can't pass tests, can't pass standardize exams. Seems like there's
too much equity, Too many results are the same. We
need different results, we need we need different to try
(12:01):
to teach our children.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's an argument that also is echoed in the charter
school movement too, and it's one that I never really understand.
It goes something like, well, if we can't get that
education for everyone, then no one should get it. If
everyone can't get that, then no one should, which doesn't
make any sense to me. Right You want to help
(12:24):
as many students as possible get a better education, and
especially those students who are gifted or have the ability
to move at a faster pace than the rest of
their peers. You want them at a situation where they
can excel, and perhaps where students who are remaining in
that classroom can get more help or extra help from teachers.
(12:45):
And now, perhaps if you were students, since those students
are off in a different program, you know there's not
a finite pie of knowledge. Because some students are better,
because some students are excelling, or because some students are
in these gifted programs, doesn't mean that other students don't
have the same opportunity to learn. You look at what's
happening in Chicago with the Chicago Teachers' Union, and again,
(13:08):
test scores there, test scores in New York. You would
want to try something different. And as you said, moum,
Donnie is saying, well, look, the education is going to
be great for all. Well, it hasn't been, and hasn't
been for quite a long time. And no one's necessarily
proposing anything except which you'll hear, more money. We need
more money. We need full funding. Our schools have to
(13:30):
be fully funded. No one ever says what the full
fund is. Right, You notice that no one says, oh,
once we get to eleven thousand dollars per student, that'll
be more than enough. Eleven thousand dollars will guarantee you
students excelling and test scores off the charts. No one
just more money, full funding without looking at things that work.
We don't have to go deep into this, but I'm
(13:51):
sure you and Jim perhaps have talked about the Mississippi miracle,
the test scores we're seeing in that state over the
past five six years, moving from forty ninth, forty eighth
to I thought I saw this morning twelfth or eleventh
in some categories. Cover story in Nashittal review by raquass
I think two months ago about this Mississippi miracle, you
(14:12):
would think people would look and say, how can we
replicate this? How can our schools have the same sense
of achievement? And instead we're looking at ways to prevent
the best students in the system from actually doing better.
This is what you're voting for, right, I mean, if
you're a wealthy liberal in New York, we know from
the primary results you probably voted for Mom Donnie, and
(14:34):
so this is the sort of thing you get.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, that's true, Scott. You probably spend more time than
you need to on extras like I do. But have
you ever said, have you seen the meme of equity
of the three people of different heights you're trying to
look over the fence, you know. The the utopian idea
is that everybody eventually, you know, the tallest guy can
already do it, and then the next person needs one
box and the little kid needs two boxes. But the
(14:58):
real left wing is that everybody ends up not being
able to see it because the short kids still can't,
the middle kids still can't, and then they basically slice
the legs off the tall kids so he can't see
it either. So you basically hurt the people who are
achieving in order to supposedly help the people who are struggling,
but you end up helping no one in the end.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean the quote from Oh it's actually a
quote from Quolma I think. But this is about limiting
opportunity for students, you know, just across the board saying
we're not going to do this anymore, limiting opportunity and
more control, right, limiting opportunity and allowing the government and
teachers' unions additional control over a greater number of students
(15:41):
at a younger age. But that sound great, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
By the way your idea of the fonding never being
accompanied by an actual number of what the appropriate funding
is just totally reminds me of the fair share.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The rich and the.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Corporations need to pay their fair share. What is the
fair share? So it forty percent? Is it sixty percent?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
You know?
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Which is not at all a surprise, but I potentially
see some good news here, and I think we've been
trending good in a way on this issue. It's trust
in the media. Trust in the media's at an all
time low, which I'm sure will surprise zero of our listeners.
NewsBusters reporting that Gallup began this survey in nineteen seventy
two and at that time seven and ten adults had
(17:50):
either a fair or great deal of trust in newspapers, television,
and radio to report the news fully, accurately and fairly well.
That is now today seven and ten have either not
very much confidence thirty six percent or none at all
thirty four percent, And this year's survey marks the first
time that fewer than three and ten US adults have
expressed trust in the news that are being fed by
(18:12):
the media. Confidence fell below the fifty percent level in
two thousand and four and has only headed south since then.
Twenty eight percent today say they have at least a
fair amount of trust in the media, down from thirty
one percent last year and forty percent five years ago.
Even among Democrats, only fifty one percent have confidence in
the news media today. So Scott, this is not a shock,
(18:36):
but I think the good news here and it's been
going this way for a while. Elon Musk tells us
all the time, you are the media now social media. Obviously,
you know a wide variety of Internet news sources are
out there. We're not stuck with the three networks and
the New York Times basically to feed us the news
like we were before the Internet era. So we have options,
(18:56):
and as long as you know where to look for
reliable information that does actually beach of the right information.
I think we're heading in the right direction, which is
bad news for the networks and the old guard media.
But there's also a great responsibility on the new folks
to get it right too. But the opportunity for more
trust is there, it's just going to be more fragmented
than in the past.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I think sixty eight percent a great deal of fair
amount of trust in nineteen seventy two, and seventy percent
today say not very much or none at all, which
I know you just said. Point being back in nineteen
seventy two, who would have known better. That's part of
the point, right, Yeah, nineteen seventy two, you didn't have
alternate media sources, and you didn't have anything to sort
(19:36):
of say, wait a minute, that's not true, or that's
not right, or no, here's the raw video.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It didn't exist. What I'm saying, I can't blame.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
People in nineteen seventy two for saying, hey, yeah, this
is the news, this is how it's presented to us.
We trust CBSABC ANDBC. As soon as those new sources
begin to enter the pictures, when you see these numbers
begin to change. We have Catherine Herridge on campus this
week and next week the Great investigative Reporter formerly CBS,
(20:06):
formerly Fox, now independent. She talked a bit about this
last night in her lecture public lecture here on campus.
She's an independent journalist now, she's not connected to any
kind of network and so she was surprised, she I believe.
She said she got Marco Rubio's first interview after becoming
Secretary of State and asked him, like, why would you
(20:30):
talk to me and not someone from these other networks,
And of course Rubis said, well, this is where the
people are now. Is people trust you, not the network.
They trust you, the reporter that they have the trust
in that person and not necessarily the network that stands
behind it. And much like we just talked about with education,
you need to try something different because what's what's happening
(20:53):
isn't working. And we see CBS maybe trying something different
with Free Press and Barry Weisse being involved. And it's
so funny to see people freak out and very funny
to hear people describe Barry Wise as a conservative. She's
not in any real way except not being on the
extreme left.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Now the definition of right wing is not being in
lockstep with the extreme left element in the country and
not following those politics to a t. She's not conservative.
Will we see more conservative views or any It's possible
because at least she's open minded. But that's also what
they hate about her. She's open to other opinions and
(21:37):
open minded to other ways of covering the news and
try to be a more accurate and also be more
accountable to the viewers, to the news consumer. You know,
people watch and people see, and it's just so striking
to me that no one among the legacy media seems
to want to try to do anything different to They
(22:00):
keep saying, well, we need that, we have to win
back your trust. We need to be a reputable source
of information. And people watch things like the reaction to
the Charlie Kirk assassination. They see mainstream media saying, well,
you know, we could have been on the far rights
and we just don't know. And every time there's some
sort of attack or terrorist attack.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
We may never know his motive.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
We know he wrote these specific things on bullet casings,
but we just might never know the real motive behind
this shooting. This attack. People know, people recognize, people saw
what happened. Into twenty twenty four election, whether it be
with you know, covering up Joe Biden's frailties and you
(22:42):
know the note cards that Joe Biden would carry with
the exact questions that media members are going to ask
him at press conferences, and no one's ever really explained
how that happened or what that collusion was like and
sixty minutes and then come on to Harris interviews and
how they edited those people watch people are not dumb,
and they're making decisions about where to get news and
(23:04):
who to trust. If that number is going to turn around,
it's going to take a very different perspective, at a
very different approach to covering the news and bringing Americans information.
And at least CBS is going to try something different,
and they're going to be pilloried by other legacy media
(23:25):
members for trying this different thing. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I kind of see Barry Weiss mainly it's going back
to where the left was maybe thirty years ago. On
most issues, she's going to be trending left. But as
she demonstrated in that interview with Brian Stelter a few
years ago, we played it back a few weeks ago
when it sounded like CBS and the Free Press, we're
going to.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Make this deal.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
She basically says, Yeah, the left is god insane when
they think that men and women are interchangeable and you
can put men in women's locker rooms. You know, when
everybody censors the Hunter Biden New York Post story just
because it's bad for Joe Biden a couple of weeks
before an election, and of course they mainly hate her
right now because she's you know, pro Israel. So those
(24:07):
are the unforgivable sens on the left right now. And
so that's enough for everybody to be pulling their hair out.
But we'll see how this works. It'll you know, be
a little while before they fully ramp up, probably, but
give it a shot. Like you said, at least BBS
is trying something.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
There's a small experiment happening here with CBS. And also,
i think to a slightly lesser extent, although we don't
know exactly what CBS is going to look like with
the Washington Post right and ended up purging through one
way or another, and a lot of longtime writers, a
lot of writers that people would look and say, probably
some bias happening there, and also totally reshaping the editorial board.
(24:46):
Jim's colleague Domatic Pino has just moved over there from
National Review, which I think is a tremendous hire. There
are interesting voices. They're trying something different, it looks like
at the Washington Post and now also at CBS.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
So you're saying you don't miss Jen Ruben and Taylor
Lorenz on the pages of the Washington Post find that
hard to believe. By the way, exit here. Scott Trump
has just tweeted out in a very long I guess
it's a truth social post that Hamas has till six
pm Washington Times Sunday evening to give him an answer
about whether they want peace in the Middle East for
(25:19):
the first time in three thousand years, or whether they're
going to suffer like no one's ever suffered. Before six o'clock,
he thinks he's going to wrap this up in the
halftime of the second game. I thought he'd maybe push
it till seven thirty so we could at least get
through that second wave of games.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
What do you think, Well, we'll see, you know, I saw.
I don't recall who said this today is probably multiple people.
It's this is the only genocide in world history where
the people being genocided are demanding things to make it stop.
Like they're not just saying saying no, no, no, no. We
have some conditions we want to stop this genocide.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, yes, we talked about that. That is yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Hamas is like, this looks pretty good except for the
part where we leave and give up our weapons.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Other than that, you know, the part where we stop
fighting is the part that we have a real big
problem with here. So le, let's see if we can
figure something out.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Oh man, Yeah, something tells me that if the great
it's not going to last real long. But Scott, great
to have you with us as always, and we'll do
it a couple more times next week.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Sounds good.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Thanks Greg, Scott Bertram, general manager WRFH Radio Free Hillsdale
one on one point seven on your dial on the
campus of Hillsdale College. Also he's a lecturer in journalism there.
He is the director of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network
and the host.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Of the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America. Thanks so much for
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