October 1, 2025 • 25 mins
Presidential historian and Ronald Reagan Institute Senior Fellow Tevi Troy is in for Jim today. Join Tevi and Greg for the Wednesday 3 Martini Lunch as they break down President Trump’s plan to end the war in Gaza, Joy Reid actually getting something right, and Chuck Schumer accusing the New York Times of bias.
First, they examine Trump’s 21-point plan to resolve the Gaza war by removing Hamas and the threat of terrorism, securing the release of Israeli hostages, and launching a strategy to rebuild Gaza. Tevi explains why he supports the proposal and hopes it moves forward. They also analyze America’s security commitments to Qatar, why it's happening, and whether it's a good idea.
Next, they are stunned as former MSNBC host Joy Reid actually gets something right but in a hilarious way. Reid warns that Republicans want to eliminate income tax, roll back business regulations, and allow families to pass along 100 percent of their inheritance. Well, of course. Tevi reveals why Reid thinks those are dangerous objectives and Greg wonders what other obvious policy positions Joy Reid plans to reveal.
Finally, they review the new partial government shutdown and laugh at Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer calling the New York Times biased for publishing a poll showing Americans strongly oppose Democrats forcing a shutdown. They also weigh Schumer’s political future and note that any potential New York Democrat successor would likely be even more radical.
Please visit our great sponsors:
Get 20% off your first purchase of classic menswear. Visit https://MizzenAndMain.com with promo code 3ML20—shop online or visit a Mizzen and Main store in select states.
Build your fall sanctuary of comfort with Boll and Branch. Save 20% plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at https://BollAndBranch.com/THREEMARTINI —offer ends soon, exclusions apply.
First, they examine Trump’s 21-point plan to resolve the Gaza war by removing Hamas and the threat of terrorism, securing the release of Israeli hostages, and launching a strategy to rebuild Gaza. Tevi explains why he supports the proposal and hopes it moves forward. They also analyze America’s security commitments to Qatar, why it's happening, and whether it's a good idea.
Next, they are stunned as former MSNBC host Joy Reid actually gets something right but in a hilarious way. Reid warns that Republicans want to eliminate income tax, roll back business regulations, and allow families to pass along 100 percent of their inheritance. Well, of course. Tevi reveals why Reid thinks those are dangerous objectives and Greg wonders what other obvious policy positions Joy Reid plans to reveal.
Finally, they review the new partial government shutdown and laugh at Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer calling the New York Times biased for publishing a poll showing Americans strongly oppose Democrats forcing a shutdown. They also weigh Schumer’s political future and note that any potential New York Democrat successor would likely be even more radical.
Please visit our great sponsors:
Get 20% off your first purchase of classic menswear. Visit https://MizzenAndMain.com with promo code 3ML20—shop online or visit a Mizzen and Main store in select states.
Build your fall sanctuary of comfort with Boll and Branch. Save 20% plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at https://BollAndBranch.com/THREEMARTINI —offer ends soon, exclusions apply.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
and Jim Garrity of National Review.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Free martinis coming up.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
So glad you're with us for the Wednesday edition of
The Three Martini Lunch. As you know, Jim Garrity is away,
so today we're very happy to bring in Tevy Troy,
a well known presidential historian. He is also an accomplished author,
most recently The Power and the Money, the epic Clashes
between Commanders in Chief and Titans of Industry. Tevy, great
to have you with us again.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Thanks for having me. I'm always sorry when Jim goes away,
but I'm glad for the opportunity to host one of
my favorite podcasts.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Fantastic, So so much to get to today. We'll talk
about the shutdown, obviously, which went into effect at midnight
when the votes for competing funding bills did not get
to sixty votes yesterday. It's the Democrats who are voting
know who are potentially going to get the blame, But
depends on who you ask. Chuck Schumer has a different
opinion on that. We'll also get some interesting thoughts from Reid,
(01:00):
who's actually right about something which is amazing. And we'll
start off, of course, with what's happening with the Middle
East in a kind of a double fisted first Martini here, Tevy.
First of all, on Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
was at the White House with President Trump, and that's
where Trump unveiled this twenty one point plan for not
only ending the war and getting the hostages released. In
(01:24):
exchange for that, there'd be a bunch of Palestinian prisoners released,
but also you know, getting Hamas out of Gaza, ending
it as a terror zone, and having kind of this
group effort to develop Gaza as something other than a
terrorist haven. That's kind of the very quick summary here.
But number one on the list, of course, is a
(01:45):
de radicalized terror free zone that does not pose a
threat to its neighbors. There is some reporting that Netanyahu
didn't love this deal. He demanded some changes, a few
of which Trump accepted, some of which he didn't. But
the Trump was ultimately kind of in a take or
leave it sort of mode with netanyao because he was
actually very upset with the attack in Qatar a few
(02:05):
weeks ago. So, first of all, before we get to
the relationship with the qataris what do you make of
the deal? Some people are saying it's brilliant. Other people
are yawning and saying it's never gonna work because Hamas
is never going to stop doing terrorism. So what's your take.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, I'm not sure Hamas is never going to accept
the deal. They're never going to stop doing terrorism. But
if they are removed from the territory, if they have
to give up their weapons, that's a good thing. Also,
if they give up the hostages, then they have no
leverage over Israel, and Israel can do whatever it has
to do if Hamas rears its very ugly head again
and causes trouble. So I think there's a lot to
(02:40):
like in the deal. I also am not quite sure
about this whole story that Nittanyahu was given a take
it or leave it approach from tum It could be
that the White House is putting out that story so
that Hamas says, oh wow, the Nittayahu is really under
the gun on this too. You never know with Trump.
If you read Jared Kushner's memoir, which is actually really interest,
(03:00):
it talks about the way Trump will game the public
situation so as to affect the private negotiations. Sometimes Kushner
would say, we're stuck on a certain point, and Trump said, well,
what if I put out this crazy tweet that completely
upsets the Apple card, and then you can have a
new crack at whatever you're trying to get at in
the negotiation. So you never know with these stories what's
really happening. And I hope the deals accepted. This last
(03:24):
week was the beginning of the Jewish New Year, and
we run around the table. We asked what our hopes
are for the year, and my hope is to get
those hostages free. It's just gone on too long. It's terrible.
I feel bad for them families, feel bad for the
whole state of Israel, and I feel bad for the West.
This just shouldn't happen. And I would like to see
them free. And if this deal can do that, I'm
for it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, yeah, we're less than a week away from two
years since the October seventh attacks, and it's I can't
even fathom what those hostages have been through. Some are
still alive, some of our data and still in hamas
custody and so forth. And so the idea that this
is kind of a taken or leave it now, or Hamas,
this is your last chance to not be annihilated.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Here.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You've already got the Kataris and the Egyptians and the Turks,
who are you know, probably of those three the most
hostile towards Israel saying to Hamas, you got to take
the deal, You got to take the deal. So will
they take the deal?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, I can't say. I can't speak for you know,
evil savages who care not a wit about their own
population or anybody else's life. But I will say this,
the fact that the Kataris are saying take the deal,
take the deal, means that maybe that so called failed
strike on the Hamas leaders on Katari territory has the
Kataris thinking twice about their actions. They thought they could
just happily blithely sit around and let Hamas be in
(04:39):
their hotels, raking in billions of dollars, and that there
was no consequences to them. And I think the Israeli
strike showed that there are potential consequences to housing this
genocidal organization. And so I think maybe with Katari pressure
and with Turkish pressure, and with the Gypti versus the
Hamas sure doesn't care about Israel or the US, but
maybe the pressure from those entities could make a difference here.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Tevy, what do you make of this policy? I guess
that the White House issued a few days ago basically
sending the warning that any armed attack on the territory, sovereignty,
or critical infrastructure of the State of Qatar is seen
by the United States as a threat to the peace
and security of the United States and the US in
event of such an attack, will take all lawful and
(05:20):
appropriate measures, including diplomatic, economic, and if necessary, military, to
defend the interests of the US and the State of Qatar.
So is that kind of just another way of broadening
out what they're trying to accomplish here, or do you
think this is a direct response to what happened a
few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, people think this is directed right at Israel, but
it's actually also directed at Iran. The Iranians also attack
Katari territory during the twelve year Twelve Day War when
they were supposedly going after an American base, and they
said we were you know, we're warning you that were
going after the space. But the Kataris had their sovereign
land attack twice by Israel and Iran. It's kind of
weird to have both those countries going after you, and
(05:58):
so I think the Kataris are very country. They don't
have a powerful military, so they're understandably nervous, and in
order to get them to play ball, I think this
guarantee from the US is a I think a good
thing to give up. And from these early perspective, it's
not like Israel's going to do it again, but Iran
is continued worry, so I think that it's a smart move.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Last question here, let me move up to the very
beginning of what the White House issued a couple days ago, says,
over the years, the US and the State of Qatar
have been bound together by close cooperation, shared interests, and
the close relationship between our armed forces. The State of
Qatar has hosted US forces, enabled critical security operations, and
stood as a steadfast ally and pursuit of peace, stability,
(06:39):
and prosperity both in the Middle East and abroad, including
as a mediator that has assisted the United States attempts
to resolve significant regional and global conflicts. And so in
recognition of this, they're going to protect Qutar as best
they can. Some folks will look at that and say, yes,
they've acted as a mediator. Others would say they housed
Hamas's political leadership for a long time, including Smail Hanai,
(07:02):
until they made that ill fated decision to visit Tehran.
And they also facilitated the ba Berg doll trade, taking
five Al Qaida figures in exchange for a guy who
was basically deserting his forces. And so is Qatar the
middleman that they want to portray themselves as or are
they something else?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, I'm not a huge fan of the Qataris, but
you make your allies where you can in the Middle East,
and they do have some sway over Hamas, because without
the m Hamas would be these vagabonds going from place
to place. So I think the US has in the
past seen some value in having them in Qatar as
opposed to win Iran, where the US has a little
more say over what happens. So I don't sign me
(07:44):
up for the Qatari fan club, but I would say
that there are reasons to work with them.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
All right, Well, plenty to see and pay attention to.
There will Hamas accept the deal they've been given a
few days to make a decision, and we're about halfway
through that window of opportunity, so i'll probably find out
this week. In the meantime, how are you feeling today?
Did you get a good night's sleep? Well, whether you
did or whether you didn't. If you're sleeping on bowl
and branch sheets, your odds are much better of having
(08:11):
a great night's sleep. Missus Crumbus and I can attest
to the quality of bowl and branch sheets. I know
I talk about this every time, but I love it
because other sheets just don't do this. They got these
big pockets on the corners of the fitted sheet that
regardless of the size of your mattress, they easily fit
under and so the corners don't pop off. I love that.
I'm so happy about that. And they get softer with
(08:32):
each wash. I don't know how the technology works, but
it's amazing. They're also breatheable to sleeping, so you can
add more layers without making your bed feel heavy or hot.
They're made with the highest quality one hundred percent organic
cotton and durable designs, and they're available in new limited
addition fall colors for a deeply comforting bedroom, and it
comes with a thirty night worry free guarantee. So start
(08:54):
building your sanctuary of comfort this fall with Bowl and Branch.
For a limited time, get twenty percent off your first
set of sheets, plus free shipping at bowlandbranch dot com
slash three Martini. Spell that all out three martini. That's
Bowl and Branch b O L L A N D
Branch dot com slash three martini to save twenty percent
(09:15):
and unlock free shipping exclusions do apply. All right, I
did not stumble in the open, Tevy. I know this
seems impossible, but joy Reid is actually right about something.
But she thinks she thinks it's a great condemnation of
the right, not actually explaining what the right beliefs. Because
(09:38):
usually when Joyrie is talking about what the Republicans really want, it's,
you know, a return to sixteen nineteen or nineteen thirty
three Germany or something. She's completely unhinged ninety nine point
nine percent of the time. But on a recent podcast interview,
she says, you know what the Republicans are really up to,
you know what they really want. Take a listen to
this is that if you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Go back before the twentieth century, there were no income taxes,
there were no regulations on business. You could earn as
much money as you want, leave one hundred percent of
it to your children with no taxes. That's the world
they want back. And to get it back, they need
society to change. They need people to be less modern.
They need people to want fewer things.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Want fewer things by keeping more of your own money,
by having much lower or no income taxes. I would
say less regulation, not no regulation. And when it comes
to passing along your inheritance one hundred percent to your kids, yes,
because you've already paid taxes on that tevy. She figured
us out, darn it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah. This whole interview reminds me of the two thousand
and nine movie Sherlock Holmes, where he says, well, now
we have a firm grasp of the obvious, and it
is totally true. The Republicans want lower taxes, they want
lower regulations, They want you to be able to pass
your wealth on to your children. And you know what,
most of the American people agree with those things. And
(10:54):
it is Joy Reid, who is out of touch with society,
who she's the one who wants to change America. She
wants to make more people dependent on the government, so
they won't want lower taxes and lower regulations, not passing
on wealth because there's no wealth to pass on if
you just get a check from the government. And so
I think she has the wrong view of America, and
she somehow stumbled onto what the Republicans want, which is
(11:16):
good things for Americans for Republicans and the Democrats that
even benefit from it too, if they actually open their eyes.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Exactly and you put your finger on the point. She
doesn't want you to be able to decide what to
do with your money. She wants you to give your
money to the government, and then the government, meaning people
she agrees with in her mind, will decide what's best
for you, which is the liberal mindset here.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, it really reminds me of that Obama video or
early automation thing where they showed the life of Julia,
where as a very non gendered person walking around and
did all these things in their life. Then they get
a loan from the government, and they get prenatal care
from the government, and there is no mention of family whatsoever,
and the whole thing, it's just you are this actor
(11:59):
and then gives you everything your whole life, and that
is from birth to death. And that's what they want,
and that is not what the American people want. That's
not why people cross oceans to get here, that's not
why people are still clamoring to get in. They want
the ability to be entrepreneurs, to be free, to make
their own decisions, to have agency. And that is the
opposite of what Joy Reid wants for everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Exactly. Julia was freaky enough because she didn't have any eyeballs,
but when you think about more disturbingly, with the Democrats
see us the ideal life for in that case, a
young woman, never having a husband, never having a family,
and every step along the way of the government is
basically substituting that role for you. And so Tebby, I
(12:40):
don't know what else she's going to lurg to that
we want. Maybe we want energy independence, maybe we want
strong borders, maybe we want and to cortion. Yeah exactly.
I mean, it's just what could she discover next that
she would be flabbergasted by that we would just say, yeah,
that's it pretty much.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah. Look, Joy Reid again tells us what Americans want,
what Republicans want, and you know, I'm sorry I brought
up the Julia thing because that movie was actually scarier
than any Hitchcock movie I ever saw.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It was, Yeah, it was meant to be utopian and
it was completely dystopian. So people forget about the Obama
administration and a lot of the really twisted things that
were going on there, and that was part of the
reelection campaign in twenty twelve, and the fact that that
didn't sink him was quite something. So Joy Reid, it's
like a broken clock. You know, it's right twice a day,
(13:36):
Joy Reid, not rite that often, but you got one
right this time. It's just hilarious that you think that
that's some sinister plot that we want to keep our
money and pass it along to our kids. All right,
we wantch regulations, Yes, yes, exactly exactly. And so once
again today I'm happy to be decked out in a
shirt from Mizzen and Maine. Unlike the short sleeve options
(13:56):
I sported on Monday and Tuesday, this one is a
long sleeve option and it's a little bit thicker. This
is gonna be a great fall and winter shirt. Super soft,
very comfortable, and it's just part of the fantastic collection
at Mizzen and Main. And when it comes to dress clothes,
Let's be honest, they're often uncomfortable. They're high and maintenance.
(14:17):
You got to take them to the cleaners all the time,
and you just spend too much time ironing, dry cleaning
all that stuff. So imagine a crisp, comfortable white dress
shirt you can wear every day of the week without
constant washes or taking them to the cleaners. And that's
exactly what Mizzen and Main delivers. Mizzen and Maine makes
classic men's wear with performance fabrics, so it's effortless to
look sharp and feel great. Their shirts and pants look refined.
(14:41):
Get their stretchy, lightweight, moisture wicking, wrinkle resistant and completely
machine washable, no ironing or dry cleaning required. When you
put on their clothes, you'll feel the difference instantly. Professional
style that's actually comfortable. Right now, Mizit and Maine is
offering our listeners twenty percent off your first purchase at
Mizzen and Maine promo code three m L twenty that's
(15:03):
mizzin spelled m i zz e N and Maine m
ai n dot com. Promo code three m L twenty
The number twenty three mL twenty for twenty percent off
Mizzinanmaine dot com promo code three mL twenty and if
you'd rather shop in person, you can find mizzin and
main stores in select states. All right, Tavian to our
(15:27):
final martini now, And as of midnight, the federal government
is in a partial shutdown. There are a couple of
votes in the Senate last night, one on the Democratic version,
which would add over a trillion dollars in new spending
for healthcare for illegals, reviving Obamacare subsidies which are necessary
or thought to be necessary because the Affordable Care Act
(15:50):
turns out to be not so affordable. And they also
want to start funding PBS and NPR again and stuff
like that, but that didn't happen. And then the Republican version,
which is essentially a clean extension, got fifty five votes,
but it needs sixty two Democrats, essentially John Fetterman and
the independent who's really a Democrat, Angus King, voting to
(16:11):
keep the government open. So as of right now, we
got the partial shutdown, and we've got the finger pointing
going on. Let's start with Vice President jd Vance this
morning talking about the incoherent Democrat arguments.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
What a Senate Democrats ask for Well, initially they said
that they wanted to shut down the government because Donald
Trump was a dictator. Okay, that's absurd. Then they said
they wanted to shut down the government because they wanted
hundreds of billions of dollars for health care benefits for
illegal aliens. That, of course is also absurd. And now
they're saying they just want to work on ensuring that
Americans have low cost health care. Well, I agree with them.
(16:47):
Of course, we all want to ensure that Americans have
low cost health care. So let's work together on that.
You don't shut the government down, you don't take the
government as a hostage because you want to engage in
a negotiation about healthcare costs. Let's do that negotiation, but
let's do it in the context of actually opening the
government and ensuring those incision services are actually provided to
the American people.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And so Tevy. There's a smattering of polls out there
on who's to blame if the government shuts down. Some
of them, many of them operated by Democratic affiliated firms,
suggest it's the Republicans, But the New York Times that
bastion of conservative bias. The New York Times and their
New York Times. Senapol says views on whether the Democrats
should or should not shut down the government if their
(17:28):
demands are not met, respondents sixty five percent should not.
Twenty seven percent of all respondents said they should. Even
among Democrats, only forty seven percent said they should, in
forty three percent said they shouldn't. Independence lopsided in favor
of not shutting it down fifty nine to thirty two.
In Republicans obviously lopsided as well, ninety two to five.
(17:49):
Chuck Schumer didn't like that poll though. He's decided that
it's rigged or biased or something. So he took to
the Senate floor knowing that John Thune, the Senate majority leader,
was going to refer to it, and Schumer decided, you know,
to call out the bias of the New York Times.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Now want I know the leader is going to show
a poll that says that Democrats will be blamed for
the shutdown. There are many more polls that show Republicans
are blamed. The question in that poll is biased, biased
in the New York Times. But it's biased if you
turned the quote, that's true. I don't always believe the
(18:27):
New York Times, you can be sure of that neither
do you.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Okay, so Tabby, I mean, should the Democrats shut down
the government could be seen as a bias question as
opposed to which side should be blamed if it happens.
But Chuck Schumer tried to spin out of this because
he's going to take a lot of heat for doing
a really stupid thing here and trying to win back
the support of the base, which is never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Greg, somehow, I've gone this long in hosting without giving
a die hard quote, and I think the only quote
that fits in this situation is when John McClain says,
welcome to the party. Pal. Chuck Schumer finally recognizes that
The New York Times is biased. You could hear the
laughter from the Republicans on the Senate floor when he
made that comment. Yes, the New York Times is biased.
It's part of their business model to be biased. In fact,
(19:13):
James Bennett, the editorial up ed editor who was drummed
out after the Tom Cotton hup ed, wrote a long
piece about the New York Times. He said that ninety
percent of their readers are left wing and what they
want from the New York Times is validation of their view,
but validation from a supposedly neutral source, which The New
York Times has pretended to be but no longer is.
(19:33):
And so that's what the New York Times tries to do.
Chuck Schumer reads it every morning and is all excited
because it validates his point of view, and the one time,
one time, there's something that doesn't necessarily help his case,
Suddenly he says, The New York Times is biased. Well again,
welcome to the party poal. We're happy to have you
on this case and we can all talk about how
biased the New York Times is.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, no question about it. And I'm started to wonder
if Chuck Schumer's going to run for reelection next time.
I mean, he was elected in nineteen ninety eight, so
be up in twenty twenty eight. So he's not the
next cycle, but the one after that. As Jim says,
he's about as popular as e Bola. I guess would
depend on who would challenge him in the primary. AOC
is the one who keeps being mentioned, but now she's
(20:12):
toying with running for president because she'd finally be old enough,
and so whether he would get a walk in the
Park without much competition, or whether he would face a
fierce challenge. I think if he gets a fierce challenge,
he probably hangs it up.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
What do you think, Craig, You correctly note that he
was elected to the Senate in nineteen ninety eight, but
he was in the US House for two decades before that. Yeah,
so most people listening to this were not born when
Chuck Schumer started infecting the American people with his very
left wing views and his left wing policies. And he's
been around Washington for a long time. Maybe it's time
(20:45):
to hang up his spurs. The only problem is that
from New York you would probably get someone even more
radical and even more left wing than he is. So
I'm not going to say that Chuck Schumer is a
moderate because he's not. But the way the Democratic Party
is going, whoever comes after and would probably be worse.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, this is probably taking a little bit too far,
but I've seen like the shift in the Democratic Party,
especially as they shove out the old guard and bring
in a younger, more radical wing. It's kind of like
the Arab spring of American politics. Where you don't love
Chuck Schumer, you'd be perfectly fine to see him shoved
off into retirement until you see what comes next. Because
(21:21):
you know, people are like, I didn't like mc bark
that much, and they, oh, well, the Muslim Brotherhood's gonna
take over now, Well I certainly didn't want that. Or Kadafi,
you know, he causes a lot of problems a long
time ago. Who cares. Oh, we're gonna have total chaos
and we're gonna have an ambassador murdered after we remove
him from power, So be careful what you wish for.
But the Democrats are lurching so far left. I don't
know if that's an apt analogy, Tavy, but it seems
(21:44):
like change in the Democratic Party only means things are
getting worse.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's true, but I am old enough to remember
that there were times when the Democrat Party did change
for the better. In the nineties. For example, Bill Clinton
said well, maybe we shouldn't be lurching so far left,
and he moved the Democrats right, and that's how he
was able to get elected in nineteen ninety two. And
then he got spanks because he drifted too far left
in his first two years, and then he moved back
(22:10):
to the center again to win that ninety six election.
So you know, they say there's no education in the
third kick of a mule. The Democrats aren't learning the lesson.
But at some point if they ever want to win election,
certainly national elections or win in non blue states, then
they're going to have to change their two.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Last question on the shutdown, You've certainly studied presidential history,
and most of the shutdowns are a lot of the shutdowns, anyway,
have been more recent, certainly about thirty years ago with
the one with the new Republican Congress and Bill Clinton.
The media is always on the side of the Democrats,
and it all depends on the makeup of Congress and
who's in the White House as to how they frame
the Republican blame. For example, in the Obama years when
(22:51):
the Republicans controlled the House and Ted Curis did the
filibuster and everything, and it's like, well, you just don't
have the leverage. The Democrats have the Senate, the Democrats
have the White House. Yeah, the House, but come on,
they've they've got two out of three, and you just
don't have that leverage. And now Republicans have the White House,
they've got the Senate, they've got the House. What they
don't have is sixty votes. And still the media is
(23:11):
figuring out a way, even though the Republicans basically want
to keep things exactly as it is, somehow they're they're
the bad guys here.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah. Well, I'm really curious to see how this shutdown
plays out, because previously the way it played out is
the Democrats had the White House, and when the shutdown happens,
they would shut down the things that are most painful
to the American people, so they could say, see, look
at all the good things the federal government does for you.
The Republicans are taking away. But now the Republicans are
in charge, and there's plenty of things that the federal
government does that nobody likes and nobody cares about, and
(23:40):
the Democrats want those things. And if russ vote who's
the head of OMB and the Republican administration, they go
ahead and they remove things that are unpopular, not useful,
but are good Democrat priorities, not good Democrat but high
Democrat priorities. Then the shutdown will be more painful to
the Democrats, and the rest of the country will just say,
(24:01):
you know, the government is shut down, but the world
is still spinning on its access. The sun is still
shining and it really won't bother the regular American people
just as much.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, and there's certainly rumors out there that russ vote
is potentially going to be rearranging some things and perhaps
eliminating positions as a result of the shutdown. So this
quixotic fight from the Democrats might end up backfiring even
more than having to just crawl back and eventually vote
for a clean extension. So we'll find out. Debby. Great
to have you with us as always. Thanks as always
(24:31):
for the die hard droppins, and we'll talk to you
down the road.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Tebvi Troy is a highly respected presidential historian. He's also
an accomplished author the most recent book, The Power and
the Money, the epic clashes between Commanders in Chief and
Titans of Industry. I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America. Thanks
so much for being with us again today. Please subscribe
to the three Male teeny Lunch podcast if you don't already,
tell your friends about us as well. Thanks also for
your five star ratings and your kind reviews. Please keep
(24:56):
those coming. Get us on your home devices. All you
have to say is play three more our Tiny Lunch podcast.
Follow all of us on x Tevy's at Tevy Troy,
Jim is at Jim Garrity, I'm at Greg Corumbus. Have
a terrific Wednesday. Join us again on Thursday for the
next three Martini Lunch
Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
and Jim Garrity of National Review.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Free martinis coming up.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
So glad you're with us for the Wednesday edition of
The Three Martini Lunch. As you know, Jim Garrity is away,
so today we're very happy to bring in Tevy Troy,
a well known presidential historian. He is also an accomplished author,
most recently The Power and the Money, the epic Clashes
between Commanders in Chief and Titans of Industry. Tevy, great
to have you with us again.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Thanks for having me. I'm always sorry when Jim goes away,
but I'm glad for the opportunity to host one of
my favorite podcasts.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Fantastic, So so much to get to today. We'll talk
about the shutdown, obviously, which went into effect at midnight
when the votes for competing funding bills did not get
to sixty votes yesterday. It's the Democrats who are voting
know who are potentially going to get the blame, But
depends on who you ask. Chuck Schumer has a different
opinion on that. We'll also get some interesting thoughts from Reid,
(01:00):
who's actually right about something which is amazing. And we'll
start off, of course, with what's happening with the Middle
East in a kind of a double fisted first Martini here, Tevy.
First of all, on Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
was at the White House with President Trump, and that's
where Trump unveiled this twenty one point plan for not
only ending the war and getting the hostages released. In
(01:24):
exchange for that, there'd be a bunch of Palestinian prisoners released,
but also you know, getting Hamas out of Gaza, ending
it as a terror zone, and having kind of this
group effort to develop Gaza as something other than a
terrorist haven. That's kind of the very quick summary here.
But number one on the list, of course, is a
(01:45):
de radicalized terror free zone that does not pose a
threat to its neighbors. There is some reporting that Netanyahu
didn't love this deal. He demanded some changes, a few
of which Trump accepted, some of which he didn't. But
the Trump was ultimately kind of in a take or
leave it sort of mode with netanyao because he was
actually very upset with the attack in Qatar a few
(02:05):
weeks ago. So, first of all, before we get to
the relationship with the qataris what do you make of
the deal? Some people are saying it's brilliant. Other people
are yawning and saying it's never gonna work because Hamas
is never going to stop doing terrorism. So what's your take.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, I'm not sure Hamas is never going to accept
the deal. They're never going to stop doing terrorism. But
if they are removed from the territory, if they have
to give up their weapons, that's a good thing. Also,
if they give up the hostages, then they have no
leverage over Israel, and Israel can do whatever it has
to do if Hamas rears its very ugly head again
and causes trouble. So I think there's a lot to
(02:40):
like in the deal. I also am not quite sure
about this whole story that Nittanyahu was given a take
it or leave it approach from tum It could be
that the White House is putting out that story so
that Hamas says, oh wow, the Nittayahu is really under
the gun on this too. You never know with Trump.
If you read Jared Kushner's memoir, which is actually really interest,
(03:00):
it talks about the way Trump will game the public
situation so as to affect the private negotiations. Sometimes Kushner
would say, we're stuck on a certain point, and Trump said, well,
what if I put out this crazy tweet that completely
upsets the Apple card, and then you can have a
new crack at whatever you're trying to get at in
the negotiation. So you never know with these stories what's
really happening. And I hope the deals accepted. This last
(03:24):
week was the beginning of the Jewish New Year, and
we run around the table. We asked what our hopes
are for the year, and my hope is to get
those hostages free. It's just gone on too long. It's terrible.
I feel bad for them families, feel bad for the
whole state of Israel, and I feel bad for the West.
This just shouldn't happen. And I would like to see
them free. And if this deal can do that, I'm
for it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, yeah, we're less than a week away from two
years since the October seventh attacks, and it's I can't
even fathom what those hostages have been through. Some are
still alive, some of our data and still in hamas
custody and so forth. And so the idea that this
is kind of a taken or leave it now, or Hamas,
this is your last chance to not be annihilated.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Here.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You've already got the Kataris and the Egyptians and the Turks,
who are you know, probably of those three the most
hostile towards Israel saying to Hamas, you got to take
the deal, You got to take the deal. So will
they take the deal?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, I can't say. I can't speak for you know,
evil savages who care not a wit about their own
population or anybody else's life. But I will say this,
the fact that the Kataris are saying take the deal,
take the deal, means that maybe that so called failed
strike on the Hamas leaders on Katari territory has the
Kataris thinking twice about their actions. They thought they could
just happily blithely sit around and let Hamas be in
(04:39):
their hotels, raking in billions of dollars, and that there
was no consequences to them. And I think the Israeli
strike showed that there are potential consequences to housing this
genocidal organization. And so I think maybe with Katari pressure
and with Turkish pressure, and with the Gypti versus the
Hamas sure doesn't care about Israel or the US, but
maybe the pressure from those entities could make a difference here.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Tevy, what do you make of this policy? I guess
that the White House issued a few days ago basically
sending the warning that any armed attack on the territory, sovereignty,
or critical infrastructure of the State of Qatar is seen
by the United States as a threat to the peace
and security of the United States and the US in
event of such an attack, will take all lawful and
(05:20):
appropriate measures, including diplomatic, economic, and if necessary, military, to
defend the interests of the US and the State of Qatar.
So is that kind of just another way of broadening
out what they're trying to accomplish here, or do you
think this is a direct response to what happened a
few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, people think this is directed right at Israel, but
it's actually also directed at Iran. The Iranians also attack
Katari territory during the twelve year Twelve Day War when
they were supposedly going after an American base, and they
said we were you know, we're warning you that were
going after the space. But the Kataris had their sovereign
land attack twice by Israel and Iran. It's kind of
weird to have both those countries going after you, and
(05:58):
so I think the Kataris are very country. They don't
have a powerful military, so they're understandably nervous, and in
order to get them to play ball, I think this
guarantee from the US is a I think a good
thing to give up. And from these early perspective, it's
not like Israel's going to do it again, but Iran
is continued worry, so I think that it's a smart move.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Last question here, let me move up to the very
beginning of what the White House issued a couple days ago, says,
over the years, the US and the State of Qatar
have been bound together by close cooperation, shared interests, and
the close relationship between our armed forces. The State of
Qatar has hosted US forces, enabled critical security operations, and
stood as a steadfast ally and pursuit of peace, stability,
(06:39):
and prosperity both in the Middle East and abroad, including
as a mediator that has assisted the United States attempts
to resolve significant regional and global conflicts. And so in
recognition of this, they're going to protect Qutar as best
they can. Some folks will look at that and say, yes,
they've acted as a mediator. Others would say they housed
Hamas's political leadership for a long time, including Smail Hanai,
(07:02):
until they made that ill fated decision to visit Tehran.
And they also facilitated the ba Berg doll trade, taking
five Al Qaida figures in exchange for a guy who
was basically deserting his forces. And so is Qatar the
middleman that they want to portray themselves as or are
they something else?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, I'm not a huge fan of the Qataris, but
you make your allies where you can in the Middle East,
and they do have some sway over Hamas, because without
the m Hamas would be these vagabonds going from place
to place. So I think the US has in the
past seen some value in having them in Qatar as
opposed to win Iran, where the US has a little
more say over what happens. So I don't sign me
(07:44):
up for the Qatari fan club, but I would say
that there are reasons to work with them.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
All right, Well, plenty to see and pay attention to.
There will Hamas accept the deal they've been given a
few days to make a decision, and we're about halfway
through that window of opportunity, so i'll probably find out
this week. In the meantime, how are you feeling today?
Did you get a good night's sleep? Well, whether you
did or whether you didn't. If you're sleeping on bowl
and branch sheets, your odds are much better of having
(08:11):
a great night's sleep. Missus Crumbus and I can attest
to the quality of bowl and branch sheets. I know
I talk about this every time, but I love it
because other sheets just don't do this. They got these
big pockets on the corners of the fitted sheet that
regardless of the size of your mattress, they easily fit
under and so the corners don't pop off. I love that.
I'm so happy about that. And they get softer with
(08:32):
each wash. I don't know how the technology works, but
it's amazing. They're also breatheable to sleeping, so you can
add more layers without making your bed feel heavy or hot.
They're made with the highest quality one hundred percent organic
cotton and durable designs, and they're available in new limited
addition fall colors for a deeply comforting bedroom, and it
comes with a thirty night worry free guarantee. So start
(08:54):
building your sanctuary of comfort this fall with Bowl and Branch.
For a limited time, get twenty percent off your first
set of sheets, plus free shipping at bowlandbranch dot com
slash three Martini. Spell that all out three martini. That's
Bowl and Branch b O L L A N D
Branch dot com slash three martini to save twenty percent
(09:15):
and unlock free shipping exclusions do apply. All right, I
did not stumble in the open, Tevy. I know this
seems impossible, but joy Reid is actually right about something.
But she thinks she thinks it's a great condemnation of
the right, not actually explaining what the right beliefs. Because
(09:38):
usually when Joyrie is talking about what the Republicans really want, it's,
you know, a return to sixteen nineteen or nineteen thirty
three Germany or something. She's completely unhinged ninety nine point
nine percent of the time. But on a recent podcast interview,
she says, you know what the Republicans are really up to,
you know what they really want. Take a listen to
this is that if you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Go back before the twentieth century, there were no income taxes,
there were no regulations on business. You could earn as
much money as you want, leave one hundred percent of
it to your children with no taxes. That's the world
they want back. And to get it back, they need
society to change. They need people to be less modern.
They need people to want fewer things.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Want fewer things by keeping more of your own money,
by having much lower or no income taxes. I would
say less regulation, not no regulation. And when it comes
to passing along your inheritance one hundred percent to your kids, yes,
because you've already paid taxes on that tevy. She figured
us out, darn it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah. This whole interview reminds me of the two thousand
and nine movie Sherlock Holmes, where he says, well, now
we have a firm grasp of the obvious, and it
is totally true. The Republicans want lower taxes, they want
lower regulations, They want you to be able to pass
your wealth on to your children. And you know what,
most of the American people agree with those things. And
(10:54):
it is Joy Reid, who is out of touch with society,
who she's the one who wants to change America. She
wants to make more people dependent on the government, so
they won't want lower taxes and lower regulations, not passing
on wealth because there's no wealth to pass on if
you just get a check from the government. And so
I think she has the wrong view of America, and
she somehow stumbled onto what the Republicans want, which is
(11:16):
good things for Americans for Republicans and the Democrats that
even benefit from it too, if they actually open their eyes.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Exactly and you put your finger on the point. She
doesn't want you to be able to decide what to
do with your money. She wants you to give your
money to the government, and then the government, meaning people
she agrees with in her mind, will decide what's best
for you, which is the liberal mindset here.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, it really reminds me of that Obama video or
early automation thing where they showed the life of Julia,
where as a very non gendered person walking around and
did all these things in their life. Then they get
a loan from the government, and they get prenatal care
from the government, and there is no mention of family whatsoever,
and the whole thing, it's just you are this actor
(11:59):
and then gives you everything your whole life, and that
is from birth to death. And that's what they want,
and that is not what the American people want. That's
not why people cross oceans to get here, that's not
why people are still clamoring to get in. They want
the ability to be entrepreneurs, to be free, to make
their own decisions, to have agency. And that is the
opposite of what Joy Reid wants for everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Exactly. Julia was freaky enough because she didn't have any eyeballs,
but when you think about more disturbingly, with the Democrats
see us the ideal life for in that case, a
young woman, never having a husband, never having a family,
and every step along the way of the government is
basically substituting that role for you. And so Tebby, I
(12:40):
don't know what else she's going to lurg to that
we want. Maybe we want energy independence, maybe we want
strong borders, maybe we want and to cortion. Yeah exactly.
I mean, it's just what could she discover next that
she would be flabbergasted by that we would just say, yeah,
that's it pretty much.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah. Look, Joy Reid again tells us what Americans want,
what Republicans want, and you know, I'm sorry I brought
up the Julia thing because that movie was actually scarier
than any Hitchcock movie I ever saw.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It was, Yeah, it was meant to be utopian and
it was completely dystopian. So people forget about the Obama
administration and a lot of the really twisted things that
were going on there, and that was part of the
reelection campaign in twenty twelve, and the fact that that
didn't sink him was quite something. So Joy Reid, it's
like a broken clock. You know, it's right twice a day,
(13:36):
Joy Reid, not rite that often, but you got one
right this time. It's just hilarious that you think that
that's some sinister plot that we want to keep our
money and pass it along to our kids. All right,
we wantch regulations, Yes, yes, exactly exactly. And so once
again today I'm happy to be decked out in a
shirt from Mizzen and Maine. Unlike the short sleeve options
(13:56):
I sported on Monday and Tuesday, this one is a
long sleeve option and it's a little bit thicker. This
is gonna be a great fall and winter shirt. Super soft,
very comfortable, and it's just part of the fantastic collection
at Mizzen and Main. And when it comes to dress clothes,
Let's be honest, they're often uncomfortable. They're high and maintenance.
(14:17):
You got to take them to the cleaners all the time,
and you just spend too much time ironing, dry cleaning
all that stuff. So imagine a crisp, comfortable white dress
shirt you can wear every day of the week without
constant washes or taking them to the cleaners. And that's
exactly what Mizzen and Main delivers. Mizzen and Maine makes
classic men's wear with performance fabrics, so it's effortless to
look sharp and feel great. Their shirts and pants look refined.
(14:41):
Get their stretchy, lightweight, moisture wicking, wrinkle resistant and completely
machine washable, no ironing or dry cleaning required. When you
put on their clothes, you'll feel the difference instantly. Professional
style that's actually comfortable. Right now, Mizit and Maine is
offering our listeners twenty percent off your first purchase at
Mizzen and Maine promo code three m L twenty that's
(15:03):
mizzin spelled m i zz e N and Maine m
ai n dot com. Promo code three m L twenty
The number twenty three mL twenty for twenty percent off
Mizzinanmaine dot com promo code three mL twenty and if
you'd rather shop in person, you can find mizzin and
main stores in select states. All right, Tavian to our
(15:27):
final martini now, And as of midnight, the federal government
is in a partial shutdown. There are a couple of
votes in the Senate last night, one on the Democratic version,
which would add over a trillion dollars in new spending
for healthcare for illegals, reviving Obamacare subsidies which are necessary
or thought to be necessary because the Affordable Care Act
(15:50):
turns out to be not so affordable. And they also
want to start funding PBS and NPR again and stuff
like that, but that didn't happen. And then the Republican version,
which is essentially a clean extension, got fifty five votes,
but it needs sixty two Democrats, essentially John Fetterman and
the independent who's really a Democrat, Angus King, voting to
(16:11):
keep the government open. So as of right now, we
got the partial shutdown, and we've got the finger pointing
going on. Let's start with Vice President jd Vance this
morning talking about the incoherent Democrat arguments.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
What a Senate Democrats ask for Well, initially they said
that they wanted to shut down the government because Donald
Trump was a dictator. Okay, that's absurd. Then they said
they wanted to shut down the government because they wanted
hundreds of billions of dollars for health care benefits for
illegal aliens. That, of course is also absurd. And now
they're saying they just want to work on ensuring that
Americans have low cost health care. Well, I agree with them.
(16:47):
Of course, we all want to ensure that Americans have
low cost health care. So let's work together on that.
You don't shut the government down, you don't take the
government as a hostage because you want to engage in
a negotiation about healthcare costs. Let's do that negotiation, but
let's do it in the context of actually opening the
government and ensuring those incision services are actually provided to
the American people.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And so Tevy. There's a smattering of polls out there
on who's to blame if the government shuts down. Some
of them, many of them operated by Democratic affiliated firms,
suggest it's the Republicans, But the New York Times that
bastion of conservative bias. The New York Times and their
New York Times. Senapol says views on whether the Democrats
should or should not shut down the government if their
(17:28):
demands are not met, respondents sixty five percent should not.
Twenty seven percent of all respondents said they should. Even
among Democrats, only forty seven percent said they should, in
forty three percent said they shouldn't. Independence lopsided in favor
of not shutting it down fifty nine to thirty two.
In Republicans obviously lopsided as well, ninety two to five.
(17:49):
Chuck Schumer didn't like that poll though. He's decided that
it's rigged or biased or something. So he took to
the Senate floor knowing that John Thune, the Senate majority leader,
was going to refer to it, and Schumer decided, you know,
to call out the bias of the New York Times.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Now want I know the leader is going to show
a poll that says that Democrats will be blamed for
the shutdown. There are many more polls that show Republicans
are blamed. The question in that poll is biased, biased
in the New York Times. But it's biased if you
turned the quote, that's true. I don't always believe the
(18:27):
New York Times, you can be sure of that neither
do you.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Okay, so Tabby, I mean, should the Democrats shut down
the government could be seen as a bias question as
opposed to which side should be blamed if it happens.
But Chuck Schumer tried to spin out of this because
he's going to take a lot of heat for doing
a really stupid thing here and trying to win back
the support of the base, which is never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Greg, somehow, I've gone this long in hosting without giving
a die hard quote, and I think the only quote
that fits in this situation is when John McClain says,
welcome to the party. Pal. Chuck Schumer finally recognizes that
The New York Times is biased. You could hear the
laughter from the Republicans on the Senate floor when he
made that comment. Yes, the New York Times is biased.
It's part of their business model to be biased. In fact,
(19:13):
James Bennett, the editorial up ed editor who was drummed
out after the Tom Cotton hup ed, wrote a long
piece about the New York Times. He said that ninety
percent of their readers are left wing and what they
want from the New York Times is validation of their view,
but validation from a supposedly neutral source, which The New
York Times has pretended to be but no longer is.
(19:33):
And so that's what the New York Times tries to do.
Chuck Schumer reads it every morning and is all excited
because it validates his point of view, and the one time,
one time, there's something that doesn't necessarily help his case,
Suddenly he says, The New York Times is biased. Well again,
welcome to the party poal. We're happy to have you
on this case and we can all talk about how
biased the New York Times is.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, no question about it. And I'm started to wonder
if Chuck Schumer's going to run for reelection next time.
I mean, he was elected in nineteen ninety eight, so
be up in twenty twenty eight. So he's not the
next cycle, but the one after that. As Jim says,
he's about as popular as e Bola. I guess would
depend on who would challenge him in the primary. AOC
is the one who keeps being mentioned, but now she's
(20:12):
toying with running for president because she'd finally be old enough,
and so whether he would get a walk in the
Park without much competition, or whether he would face a
fierce challenge. I think if he gets a fierce challenge,
he probably hangs it up.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
What do you think, Craig, You correctly note that he
was elected to the Senate in nineteen ninety eight, but
he was in the US House for two decades before that. Yeah,
so most people listening to this were not born when
Chuck Schumer started infecting the American people with his very
left wing views and his left wing policies. And he's
been around Washington for a long time. Maybe it's time
(20:45):
to hang up his spurs. The only problem is that
from New York you would probably get someone even more
radical and even more left wing than he is. So
I'm not going to say that Chuck Schumer is a
moderate because he's not. But the way the Democratic Party
is going, whoever comes after and would probably be worse.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, this is probably taking a little bit too far,
but I've seen like the shift in the Democratic Party,
especially as they shove out the old guard and bring
in a younger, more radical wing. It's kind of like
the Arab spring of American politics. Where you don't love
Chuck Schumer, you'd be perfectly fine to see him shoved
off into retirement until you see what comes next. Because
(21:21):
you know, people are like, I didn't like mc bark
that much, and they, oh, well, the Muslim Brotherhood's gonna
take over now, Well I certainly didn't want that. Or Kadafi,
you know, he causes a lot of problems a long
time ago. Who cares. Oh, we're gonna have total chaos
and we're gonna have an ambassador murdered after we remove
him from power, So be careful what you wish for.
But the Democrats are lurching so far left. I don't
know if that's an apt analogy, Tavy, but it seems
(21:44):
like change in the Democratic Party only means things are
getting worse.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's true, but I am old enough to remember
that there were times when the Democrat Party did change
for the better. In the nineties. For example, Bill Clinton
said well, maybe we shouldn't be lurching so far left,
and he moved the Democrats right, and that's how he
was able to get elected in nineteen ninety two. And
then he got spanks because he drifted too far left
in his first two years, and then he moved back
(22:10):
to the center again to win that ninety six election.
So you know, they say there's no education in the
third kick of a mule. The Democrats aren't learning the lesson.
But at some point if they ever want to win election,
certainly national elections or win in non blue states, then
they're going to have to change their two.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Last question on the shutdown, You've certainly studied presidential history,
and most of the shutdowns are a lot of the shutdowns, anyway,
have been more recent, certainly about thirty years ago with
the one with the new Republican Congress and Bill Clinton.
The media is always on the side of the Democrats,
and it all depends on the makeup of Congress and
who's in the White House as to how they frame
the Republican blame. For example, in the Obama years when
(22:51):
the Republicans controlled the House and Ted Curis did the
filibuster and everything, and it's like, well, you just don't
have the leverage. The Democrats have the Senate, the Democrats
have the White House. Yeah, the House, but come on,
they've they've got two out of three, and you just
don't have that leverage. And now Republicans have the White House,
they've got the Senate, they've got the House. What they
don't have is sixty votes. And still the media is
(23:11):
figuring out a way, even though the Republicans basically want
to keep things exactly as it is, somehow they're they're
the bad guys here.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah. Well, I'm really curious to see how this shutdown
plays out, because previously the way it played out is
the Democrats had the White House, and when the shutdown happens,
they would shut down the things that are most painful
to the American people, so they could say, see, look
at all the good things the federal government does for you.
The Republicans are taking away. But now the Republicans are
in charge, and there's plenty of things that the federal
government does that nobody likes and nobody cares about, and
(23:40):
the Democrats want those things. And if russ vote who's
the head of OMB and the Republican administration, they go
ahead and they remove things that are unpopular, not useful,
but are good Democrat priorities, not good Democrat but high
Democrat priorities. Then the shutdown will be more painful to
the Democrats, and the rest of the country will just say,
(24:01):
you know, the government is shut down, but the world
is still spinning on its access. The sun is still
shining and it really won't bother the regular American people
just as much.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, and there's certainly rumors out there that russ vote
is potentially going to be rearranging some things and perhaps
eliminating positions as a result of the shutdown. So this
quixotic fight from the Democrats might end up backfiring even
more than having to just crawl back and eventually vote
for a clean extension. So we'll find out. Debby. Great
to have you with us as always. Thanks as always
(24:31):
for the die hard droppins, and we'll talk to you
down the road.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Tebvi Troy is a highly respected presidential historian. He's also
an accomplished author the most recent book, The Power and
the Money, the epic clashes between Commanders in Chief and
Titans of Industry. I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America. Thanks
so much for being with us again today. Please subscribe
to the three Male teeny Lunch podcast if you don't already,
tell your friends about us as well. Thanks also for
your five star ratings and your kind reviews. Please keep
(24:56):
those coming. Get us on your home devices. All you
have to say is play three more our Tiny Lunch podcast.
Follow all of us on x Tevy's at Tevy Troy,
Jim is at Jim Garrity, I'm at Greg Corumbus. Have
a terrific Wednesday. Join us again on Thursday for the
next three Martini Lunch
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.