September 19, 2025 • 33 mins
Join Jim and Greg for the Friday 3 Martini Lunch as they thoroughly enjoy Kamala Harris blaming every Democrat on Earth for her 2024 loss except for herself. They also discuss President Trump officially designating Antifa a terrorist organization, and the escalating fallout from ABC suspending Jimmy Kimmel.
First, they applaud Trump for labeling Antifa a terrorist organization. The effort will be complicated by the fact there is not one national Antifa organization, but investigating smaller affiliated organizations and following the money trail could be very helpful. It will also help put the lie to arguments from the left that Antifa either does not exist or is a force for good just because they call themselves anti-fascist.
Next, they examine the latest twists in the Jimmy Kimmel suspension. The Hollywood Reporter reveals ABC faced losing nearly a third of its affiliates if Kimmel refused to retract his false claim that a MAGA supporter killed Charlie Kirk. When Kimmel doubled down, ABC pulled the plug. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr insists he did not pressure ABC or the affiliates to take these actions, but his public support for the affiliates - and Trump's celebration of the Kimmel firing - was very unwise and feeds the narrative that this was an act of government censorship.
Finally, Jim and Greg react to new excerpts from Kamala Harris’s upcoming book about the 2024 campaign. Harris claims her first choice for running mate was Pete Buttigieg but says America wasn’t ready for a black woman and a gay man on the same ticket. She also vents about an untimely call from President Biden just before the debate.
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First, they applaud Trump for labeling Antifa a terrorist organization. The effort will be complicated by the fact there is not one national Antifa organization, but investigating smaller affiliated organizations and following the money trail could be very helpful. It will also help put the lie to arguments from the left that Antifa either does not exist or is a force for good just because they call themselves anti-fascist.
Next, they examine the latest twists in the Jimmy Kimmel suspension. The Hollywood Reporter reveals ABC faced losing nearly a third of its affiliates if Kimmel refused to retract his false claim that a MAGA supporter killed Charlie Kirk. When Kimmel doubled down, ABC pulled the plug. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr insists he did not pressure ABC or the affiliates to take these actions, but his public support for the affiliates - and Trump's celebration of the Kimmel firing - was very unwise and feeds the narrative that this was an act of government censorship.
Finally, Jim and Greg react to new excerpts from Kamala Harris’s upcoming book about the 2024 campaign. Harris claims her first choice for running mate was Pete Buttigieg but says America wasn’t ready for a black woman and a gay man on the same ticket. She also vents about an untimely call from President Biden just before the debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the three Martini Lunch.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
and Jim Garritty of National Review. Free Martini's coming up.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Very glad you're with us the Friday edition of the
three teeny Lunch, And Jim, I feel like for the
second consecutive week we can go back to one of
your classic lines of this week has felt like a
long year, and so from everything we've really gone through
in the last week and a half, it's just been
kind of a fire hose of reacting to the murder
(00:33):
of Charlie Kirk himself and then all these ancillary things,
the fallout that has come from Jimmy Kimmel, which will
talk about a little bit more today to all sorts
of different ramifications of that. But we'll also be talking
a little bit more about Kamala Harrisoner score settling from
twenty twenty four, which is actually looking to be far
more entertaining than we first suspected. And we'll also take
(00:53):
a look at Antitha, especially Donald Trump's efforts to designate
them as a terrorist organization. And so, Jim, I can't
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hit another weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You know, Greg, I try not to use what I
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we sent you. Well, Jen, there's been so much going
(02:44):
on that our good Martini actually happened a couple of
days ago, So let's dig into that now. President Trump,
as he is so often wont to do, announces big
things via social media, and this was his truth post
the other day where he says, I'm pleased to inform
our many patriots that I am designated Antifa, a sick,
dangerous radical left disaster as a major terrorist organization. I
(03:08):
will also be strongly recommending that those funding Antifa be
thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Others in the media are scratching their heads on this,
saying that this designation is confusing because Antifa has no
official leadership or organization structure. CBS says the president also
lacks authority to designate domestic terrorist organizations, and so jim
the legal framework of these groups, however we want to
(03:42):
call them, Maybe they are a bunch of small groups. Whatever,
we know they're out there. They've caused a tremendous amount
of destruction, from the twenty twenty riots to the siege
at the Portland Federal Building. For seemingly a very long time.
Whenever there's unrest or controversy in this country, they seem
to show up at the worst possible times. So you
got to applaud Trump's effort to rein them in, But
(04:04):
can you actually do this?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, let me say this is a qualified good martini. Look,
if you're on if you follow conservative media, you probably
know exactly what Antifa is. You've probably known about it
for close to a decade now, and the guys in
black masks and black outfits can show up at any
time there's a protest or gathering or something. They've been
really active in the Pacific Northwest, really active in places
(04:27):
like Portland, and they've become a real problem, not just
you know, marching around and vandalism, you know, sometimes really
serious crimes. And I laid a couple of their more
infamous moments in a morning drillt earlier this week. President
Trump is correct that whether or not the shooter of
Charlie Kirk was ever formally affiliated with this And I
understand the Christopher Ray argument that antifa is an ideology,
(04:49):
it's a movement, it's not necessarily a formal organization. It
doesn't mean the people who are following that ideology or
movement can't do a considerable amount of damage and commits, know,
pretty serious crimes. And I always felt like that my
answer was technically accurate, but maybe I felt a little
bit like shrugging off the responsibility of law enforcement when
there's this burgeoning threat out there. Commercial research service, you know,
(05:10):
when Congress has questions, they turned to these folks and
put together these reports. They did one in twenty twenty
three that was really good, and they pointed out like,
unlike foreign terrorism, the federal government does not have a
mechanism to formally charge a person with domestic terrorism. And
they said that because you're not charged with foreign terrorism
as a charge, it makes a little bit tougher to
say who qualifies as a for as.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
A domestic terrorist.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
They also kind of went through and pointed out that
because of this, you know, FBI and Homeland Security they
have a national strategy for it, but they still, you know,
it's very hard to say when does your First Amendment
protected activity turn into something that the government should be
keeping an eye on and you should be you know,
looking at you as a potential domestic terrorist. My sense
is that we may have reached the point where we's
(05:54):
good idea to have a clear definition of what a
domestic terrorist is under the law. Maybe it should be
a criminal tale charge that can be added to other
criminal charges. Trump declaring on truth Social that this is
now a thing that's happening. That's a less than ideal format.
I think we probably need something that'd be good to have.
We could pass legislation. Great didn't our founders set up
(06:14):
like three branches to government. Yes, it feels a lot
of days feelings, it's just two and there's this there
was this dome thing. There was this this dome in Washington,
Dear Congress. Look, probably would be helpful if there were
a federal law that clarified what domestic terrorism is. When
there's what's sufficient threshold of evidence for a federal law
investmentforcement investigation, and when somebody could be charged as a
(06:38):
domestic terrorists, Like the first member texts, your right to
say the government sucks and you know the conversation does
not protect your right to commit crimes. And we have
very clear definition of what those crimes are. So now
the question is if you've got domestic terrorists who have
not committed a crime yet, but they are plotting to
commit a crime, can the federal government wire tap them?
(06:58):
Can the federal government that was so you want them
to intervene before they blow something up. But then the
question is is it obtaining explosives? Is it just simply planning?
When does it become sufficient reason? So I think it'd
be very good. Like we can have you know, at
the risk of cliche, we can have a national dialogue
on this, or at minimum we probably should have clarity.
But I think, you know, like that we have basically
(07:19):
tried to downplay and handwave away the notion of Antifa
as a serious problem for a decade has not gone away.
And in fact, I think after cases like this, it's
perfectly appropriate for the government to say, hey, you know,
what we've been doing in the past hasn't worked. It's
time for a new approach. It probably involves classifying this group,
even if it doesn't have a specified leader, even if
it doesn't have a very organized structure. It would be
(07:41):
really nice if there were an Antifa headquarters important somewhere
that we could you know, track and you know that's
where they are. But you know, the fact that you
can't stop an ideology, or you can't you know, criminalize
an ideology does not mean that if people involved in
the ideology want to commit crimes, you cannot intervene and
do something to prevent harm to the public.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, you mean the Congressional Research Service this is the
CBS report describes Antifa as decentralized, lacking a unifying organizational
structure or detailed ideology. Instead, it consists of quote, independent,
radical like minded groups and individuals unquote. So okay, if
there's not one group, maybe there's a lot of groups here,
(08:21):
and maybe those need to be looked into. You also
need to track the money. Trump's entirely right about that,
because giant palettes of bricks in the summer of twenty
twenty didn't just show up on their own. I don't
think people are walking into the local hardware store and
just grabbing that.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Hey Greg in the nineteen nineties, who is the king
of the militia movement? They're all connected, right, there was
you know, there was that big election ri Tim mcmagh was, No,
there wasn't. Right, everything they're saying describing Antifa probably applies
to militia movements, white nationalists, movements, all kinds of you know,
anti government, you know right wing groups out there. Like, yeah,
(08:54):
they're decentralized, Yeah they operate in small groups, and yeah
they're kind of losing. And there are probably a lot
of guys who are big talkers online but who are
never actually going to do something, or you're looking at
them and maybe it seems like they're going further down
the rapt a hole they're getting, right, Like, I've got
to recognize law enforcement does not always have the easiest
decisions in these sorts of things, in investigating these matters,
(09:15):
But everything we can do for right wing violence seems
like something we should be able to do for left
wing violence. And as much as yeah, they're decentralized, decentralized
groups can still be very dangerous, as we've seen with
islamis terrorism. So yeah, I think you got to, you know,
look into this, even if it is going to be
a significant law enforcement challenge.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And last point in here, I'm not certainly the first
person to make this point, but in the last week
and a half since this horrific murder Jim, has there
been one arson business vandalized, just general mayhem in the streets.
And I don't know what the equivalent would have been
on the other side, maybe it's burning or AOC at
one of their oligarchy rallies. Do you think the streets
(09:55):
will look a little bit differently over the last week
and a half if it had happened in the opposite direction.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Look, you and I talked the late morning, midday after
and you know, when something like this happens, it's a
natural thing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh God, I hope there's not a copycat.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Oh god, I hope there's not some you know, somebody
who thinks that they're helping by retaliatory violence against a
you know, it's not crazy. I think about that. Yesterday
in the corner I made this, I wrote a short
item saying there a couple of things have gone right
as of this recording. That's me knocking on wood. It's
not the workers, just kind of observing that it's been
a week and we hadn't seen terrible k you we
(10:31):
had some nutjob trying to trash at Charlie Kirk. Memorially,
We've seen bad behavior, but we have not seen violence
as of this recording, and that's good to see. And yeah,
you know a lot of Yahoo's have said inappropriate things.
I'm kind of foreshadowing our next martini. But I was struck,
and I quoted this interview with Jamie Lee Curtis, the actress,
who said, looks like I vehemently disagreed with everything Charlie
(10:51):
Kirk said. But she mentioned how she hoped he had
felt close to God in his final moments, and she
just thought about him being as a father and as
a husband, and she cheered up. But she says I'd
never want to see that footage of him being shot
ever again, And like, thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis. There
are people out there on the left side of the
aisle who are horrified by this, who are shocked by this,
(11:12):
who don't want to see it. Apparently Rain Wilson had
said something along like so, first of all, for those
celebrities out there, were left a center and who can
find it to say, oh my god, this is terrible.
Nobody should should have something like this happened to them.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Thank you. I think we need more of that.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I think I'd like to think that if things happened
the other way around, but you'd see conservatives saying this
is awful. I think most people reacted very appropriately when
those two Minnesota lawmakers were shot, other than Mike Lee
based Mike Lee became debased. Mike Lee I wrote a
whole column about that, not that anybody remembers. We got
to remember the people we disagree with our human beings,
and the vast majority of Americans get that. There are
(11:46):
a couple of people out there who let their emotions
run away with them. So let's not forget the good cases.
But also, unfortunately, there are some really bad ones, and
we'll be talking about one of them in just a
few moments.
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our regular listeners know, we spend a lot of time
(13:29):
yesterday in the first Martini on the indefinite suspension of
Jimmy Kimmel as the late night host on ABC, and
there was a lot of different talk going wrong about
why this happened. Of course, it definitely stems from his
comments on Monday night where he said flat out incorrectly,
intentionally incorrectly. I would say the right was trying to
(13:51):
distract people from the fact that the killer of Charlie
Kirk was one of their own. By then, it was
blatantly obvious that that wasn't the case, maybe even more
obvious by charges coming down, I believe the next day.
And so as we talked about yesterday, there was an
affiliate revolt, an affiliate revolt, and there was also an
effort by ABC to get Jimmy Kimmel to clarify or
(14:13):
maybe even apologize, both of which he refused to do.
And so the Hollywood Reporter has basically dug into this,
and it says that Disney CEO Bob Iger and the
co chaired Diante Dana Walden made the decision to suspend
Kimmel's show after he planned a double down and go
on camera to defend his lie that MAGA voters killed
Charlie Kirk rather than kow taw' there. That's Kimmel's word,
(14:36):
I think, to the outrage. There had also been some
death threats allegedly to some staffers of his, which is
horrible and should never happen. But then the advertiser calls
began to roll in, and then the big affiliate conglomerates
of Next Star and Send Claire threatned to preempt the show.
And this is not at all tied to the comments
from FCC chair Brendan Carr. And basically they were looking
(14:58):
at losing sixty six of two hundred affiliates that they
have if the change wasn't made, and when Kimmel refused
to do what Eiger and Walden were encouraging him to do,
they pulled the plug. And so, like we said yesterday,
if that had been the whole story, that would have
been fine, that would have been clean. And Brendan Carr
says he did not pressure ABC. Brendan Carr says, he
did not pressure the affiliates, but he did give interviews,
(15:21):
he did encourage it, He was hoping it would happen,
and that obviously didn't help. And then also yesterday as
the news came down, because you know he can't stay
out of it, you got Donald Trump coming out on
this as well, and he says, great news for America.
The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel Show is canceled. Congratulations to
ABC for finally having the courage to do what had
to be done. Kimmel has zero talent and worse ratings
(15:44):
than even Colbert, if that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and
Seth two total losers on fake news NBC their ratings
are also horrible. Do It NBC? President Donald J. Trump.
And so even though the this was going to happen,
the narrative now is that the FCC was directly in
(16:05):
contact with ABC and pushing for this to happen. All
the administration had to do at every level was absolutely nothing.
But now you've got things like this happening. Here'sbert, here's
Colbert's reaction last night.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But tonight we are all Jimmy Kimmel. I still have
a show though, right, Okay, yesterday, after threats from Trump's
FCC chair, ABC yanked Kimmel off the air indefinitely. That
is blatant censorship. And it always starts small, you know,
remember like in week one of his presidency, Gulf of America,
(16:42):
call it Gulf of America. Sure seems harmless, but with
an autocrat you cannot give an inch. And if ABC thinks,
if ABC thinks that this is going to satisfy the regime,
they are woefully naive.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not sure how the Golf of America fits into that,
but Jim obviously have been a lot cleaner if they
just let the market forces take their course. And now
this narrative is something the Ministration's got to deal with.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
For listeners out there who really didn't like listening to
or watching Stephen Colbert in that segment.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This is a short term problem.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yes, that'll be over, This will take care of itself
in a couple of months there. But I'm struck by
again we keep getting into this dynamic where the you know,
the left says Donald Trump is acting like an autocrat,
and a bunch of folks on the rights say, no,
it wasn't him acting like an autocrat. It wasn't him
being a dictator. It's totally different. And then Trump feels
(17:39):
the need to jump onto social media say no, it
totally was me, and I am absolutely acting like an autocrat.
It's totally it was all me. I was doing it.
They I gave the order. You know, Trump, you feels
the need to stick the fork into the electrical socket
every single time, no matter how many times you tell him,
don't do that. My colleague Jeff Blahar has this very
good column out this morning's pointing out like this is
the way Trump wants. He wants to be feared. He
(18:02):
wants people to believe he has the power to make
these sorts of things happen. So I think there's just
something extraordinarily self destructive out there. Brendan Carr did not
need to do this, should not have done this. You know,
Brendan Carr, the private citizen, can say Jimmy Kimmel stinks
as much as he wants. Brendan Carr, the guy who
has regulatory authority over ABC and its affiliates, really should
(18:24):
not be saying this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
But I'm going to shift gears here.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I'm going to ask listeners put yourself into the shoes
of Bob Iger and just imagine how he sees the world.
And I'm sure if you the moment you do that,
your first thought is stop letting Kathleen Kennedy ruins Star Wars.
But that's not what I want to talk about here.
Marvel needs to get back to the classic No. It
just you have this talk show host, like something really
(18:48):
terrible has happened, and emotions are running high. People are
really Conservatives are still upset, heartbroken, grieving, angry, and your
late night host goes out and says something really stupid.
He asserts that this was right right on right violence,
and that the left wing is you know, the left
is not has had no role on this. If Jimmy
Kimmel had said, oh my god, I can't believe I
(19:10):
said that. Wow, I got that so wrong. I was
following stuff on Blue Sky, I was following Lawrence Tribe.
I was like, I got banned from it, and he
went out there and he really wanted to be contrite
and then but then like the problem of the situation
could have died down and there's still be people irked
about it, But instead Kimmell is like, no, I'm going
to go out there and I'm going to give these
guys you know atasta. I'm going to show these guys
(19:33):
that you know like he wants to He's in a
bad situation and he wants to keep digging. He's getting
himself deeper in that hole. He wants to throw gasoline
onto this fire. Right, if you're Bob Iger telling Jimmy Kimmel,
you need to you need to cool off. You go
to the timeout chair, take a vacation, take a breather.
You need to be in a different mindset. If you're
going to be hosting this show. We can't have you
(19:53):
going out there and basically demonizing a whole Like it's
not great to be demonizing people in general. This is
a really bad time to be running around demonizing conservatives,
and the affiliates are upset they are justifiably upset. What
if you told a joke? Could you try that? Would
that be a just different change of pace here or something.
(20:16):
Don't make death threats to Jimmy Kimmel staffers, don't make
death threats to Jimmy Kimber, don't make death threats. You
can just stop right there. That's not a good way
to help this situation. But I I wrote about this
today kind of jumping on yesterday's comments and my jokes
about reorganizing my socktor. I get that the First Amendment
is there to protect everybody, including jerks like Jimmy Kimmel.
(20:37):
But Jimmy Kimmel is not just saying stand up from
my right to speak my mind. He's also saying, help
me keep my sixteen million dollar year job right where
I get to like rip into you conservatives all you know,
you know, every night, five nights a week. There's nothing
you can do about it. You almost never hear me,
you know, rip into any Democrat or anything like that.
(20:58):
And now it's turned into a cause. I understand that
Eric Swalwell was wearing a Jimmy Kimmel cap on his greg.
You know, look, I as much as we like to
mock him. Eric Swall is not a guy who want
to mess with He will show you his fank things.
So like he's turned to this now, this big cause
of a lot of lefties and we have to stand
(21:19):
up for the First Amendment. And like a whole bunch
of people on the right are like Charlie Kirk just
had his First Amendment rights ended by a bullet. There
is still so much anger and hurt out there that
I don't think it does any good for the left,
or for Hollywood, or for anybody else to say. And
now is the time where we all have to stand
up and defend Jimmy Kimmel. Nobody on the right wants
(21:39):
to hear it right now. He's really not the victim
in this story. He chose to make these statements and
then he chose to double down, and that's why he's
in this situation. And I think that's you know, a
lot of this is just natural consequences. And the other
thing at my point today is like just in today's
morning newsletter, Kimmel's been such a jerk for so long Trump,
It is true social posts goes after Jimmy fallon. I
(22:03):
know Jimmy Fallon is not a conservative, But I also
I don't know, I don't get the feeling Jimmy Fallon
looks at conservatives with contempt. He had Trump on his show.
I think before the twenty sixteen election got a lot
agree for it. I think Jimmy Fallen just wants to
host dance parties. He just wants to sing silly songs
and slow jam the news. And I don't get that
same contempt vibe that I get from Jimmy Kimmel. So
(22:26):
I think if Fallon had ever screwed up like this,
they'll probably be a little bit more sympathy. They're probably
a little bit more tendency to Okay, you screwed up,
but we can forgive this Kimmel. Like, you know, the
headline in Today's Jolt is karma catches up to Jimmy Kimmel,
And I kind of feel like that's what's here. Does
this mean the First Amendment doesn't plot? No, Like I
didn't want to see Brendan Carr say and this stuff.
But if everybody's not so motivated to help about Jimmy Kimmel,
(22:48):
it's because of his record. Going back to hosting the
show in January, two thousand and three, Greg, his show
is older than ours.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
That's going back quite a way. Well, as we head
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(24:33):
Now the fun just keeps coming out of this Kamala
Harris memoir from the twenty twenty four campaign. We just
talked last week about how it was reckless for Joe
Biden to run again, But more juicy stuff now. As
you reported today's Morning Jolt, just before she went on
for the one debate with Trump, she gets a call
from Biden who says, hey, my brother told me you've
(24:55):
been bad mouthing me, and now donors in Philadelphia thinking
about not kicking in, and so she's why tell me this?
Like five minutes before before I go on stage, and
then the other big bombshell is that while she personally
has great affection for Tim Walls, she increasingly thought that
he wasn't doing a great job. She thought he was
too friendly to jd Vance in the debate, and ultimately
(25:16):
she says that she wishes she had gone with Pete
Budha Judge, not Josh Shapiro. Pete Bota Judge, she writes,
he would have been an ideal partner if I were
a straight white man, but we were already asking a
lot of America to accept a woman, a black woman,
a black woman married to a Jewish man, But knowing
what was at stake, it was too big of a risk.
(25:39):
Jim just Shapiro was the leader in the clubhouse. She
didn't like him because he asked too many questions about
what his job would be for four or eight years,
as opposed to the next three months on the campaign trail.
And so I think she basically crumbled to the social
media pressure from the farther left that it should be
Tim Walls, and then surprise, surprise, it didn't pan out
too well.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So listeners are gonna let you in a so National
Review asked, did you want to review the Kamala Harris book,
and I was like, heck, yes, I can't wait. You know,
I don't have an advanced copy. And I'm frustrated by
this because clearly some people do and they're already, you know,
putting out some of the juiciest parts. But one Greg,
I can't wait. I just like it sounds so juicy,
but also a sense of like, I honestly feel an
(26:21):
element of good for you. Kamala Harris not so much
in the like, of course she's blaming everybody but herself.
Of course, she had a very big role in why
she was defeated. It's very hard to say that she
had no role in any of this. But just because
she's diverting blame doesn't mean that some of these other
people don't deserve some blame. And I don't think it's
a wild or crazy assertion to say that Tim Walls
(26:42):
really was underwhelming in his debate, that Elmer Fudd fearful,
wide eyed, you know, deer in the headlights look and
so and the interesting thing, so she says Boota Jedge
And we'd always kind of figured that Harris and Buddha
Jedge we were kind of rivals, and it sounds like,
you know, she's like, oh, you know, Pete and I
get along really well. Pete Bootagejays was asked about this
(27:03):
by Politico yesterday, and he says, I just believe in
giving Americans more credit than that.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Buddish Jedge's like, nah, don't blame me, or this is
a slogan too gay for Kamala Harris, is that something
that helps him in twenty twenty eight? As I heard
him in twenty twenty eight, I don't know. If you're
a Republican and you're running against Tim Walls in for
governor of Minnesota in twenty twenty six, look, you're always
gonna have an uphill climb. But Tim Walls even disappointed
(27:30):
Kamala Harris seems like a really that's a zinger you
can uncork in a debate or put in an attack
ad or something like that. It'll be very interesting to
see if Walls comes out and makes any statement about this.
The Shapiro thing, it does sound weird. Oh. He also
said he issued a statement that was kind of along
the lines of this, this is not true everything I
(27:50):
had said said. I was completely focused on defeating Donald Trump.
My first thought was okay this, she does not want
to run for twenty twenty eight. She knows it's never
going to happen. So now we're getting she's venting. Here's spleen,
she's spilling the tee, she's letting you put it all
out there. And then it's like, well, maybe you're trying
to you know, maybe you don't want Joshapiro to run
in three and a half years, You don't want Tim
Walls to run. You kind of want to, you know,
(28:12):
take these guys out. I don't know if there's you know,
some ricochet play, if she.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Has in mind.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I also don't think you know, all of you failed me,
therefore you owe me another shot as the nominee. I
don't think that's gonna be a resonant message in twenty
twenty eight. I think Democrats really want to put this
behind them. However, like for all the Democrats who are
like dreading this book and saying they don't want to
go through these arguments again. You can't win unless you
understand why you lost. And if the problem was just
(28:40):
Harrison Walls, you know, and the same platform, the same policies,
the same approach to American national life, like Okay, you
can try that. I don't like she was flawed, no doubt.
Tim Wallas was flawed, no doubt. But I think there
was a more fundamental problem there. And I think it's
the agenda. I think that a lot of Americans look
at what worries what what democrats worry about, and they're
(29:01):
like that, that's not me, that's not I want the economy.
I'm worried about immigration, you know, like this, I think
at the end she just came across as somebody who
did not understand the problems of people like me, as
they say in the in the Pulse. So I'm looking
forward to this. I think this is fascinating. I think
it's a kind of funny. I think we're getting a
whole you know what this is greg to get, you know,
for our gen X audience. What it's the real world.
(29:24):
This is what happens when people stop being polite and
start being real. And I think she's had these feelings
about these other Democrats for a long time.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
The other thing, which I'm just about to put in
a corner post. Probably by the time people hear this,
it'll be up there. There's another excerpt in The Washington
post that says her team told her on the Friday
before election day that she was leading in all seven
swing states. She went oh for seven. The other is
also like was David Ploff said on Pod Say of
America that their internal polling never had them ahead. So
(29:55):
somebody's not telling the truth here, or maybe she was
getting a sugarcoated for I know, there's something that's not
adding up here. And then the other thing is, remember, Greg,
this campaign spent one point five billion dollars in seventeen weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Right, you figure.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
They've got every polling, public opinion measuring do dad gizmo,
and I'm picturing like a Rube Coldberg thing of just
and they thought they were up at all seven and
they ended up going over seven. Right, you know, somebody
got hosed, somebody got scammed on that one.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So I'm hoping she names names. We will see how
this shakes out.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
But you know, Greg, this may be the book of
the I am, you know, no offense to the great
Brad four, no offense to all the great thriller writers
out there. I can't wait to read Kamala Harris's book.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
They didn't like to give Biden bad news. They probably
didn't want to give her bad news either. So interesting
quote real quickly from Buddha jed you referred to a
little bit. He says, my experience in politics has been
that the way you earn trust with voters is based
mostly on what they think you're going to do for
their lives, not on categories, which is a very mackenzie
and answer, but it's also probably the right answer instead of,
(31:04):
you know, falling on identity politics, like Harris was trying
to explain.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
There.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Here's the thing though, if it weren't for identity politics,
we would have no idea who Pete Boudha Judge is.
And here's my proof. Twenty twenty campaign, two mid sized
city mayors ran for president on the Democratic side. One
was Pete Bodha Judge and the other was Wayne Messim.
I don't know if you remember a lot about Wayne Messim,
but he's the mayor still is of Miramar, Florida, which
is actually bigger than South Bend, Indiana. But he got
(31:31):
no oxygen, got no polling, got no fundraising, didn't up
on a debate stage, had to drop out. Pete Boodha Judge,
of course, gets tons of media attention because of one
single fact. It's not what he did in South Bend, Indiana.
It's the fact that he's a gay candidate, and he'd
be the only one up there on the stage who
was so. And so the fact that he has advanced
as far as he is is mainly that because if
(31:52):
you can point to accomplishments in South Bend, if you
can point to accomplishments at the Department of Transportation, I'll listen.
But I mean, there's pretty much one reason for Pete
Buddha Judge's rise in national politics.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Now, Greg, that's not true. Pete Buddhach Judge also went
to Harvard uh huh, genuinely. To his credit, he served
in the military. That's also importantly, he was at Mackenzie
Consulting and at McKinsey. We believe that your biggest problem
is also your biggest opportunity. I have a twenty four
point PowerPoint to his place, and this basically say you
(32:23):
need to pay more.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Like.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
You know, he had charisma, he had other attributes, but yes,
like indisputably a huge chunk of his coverage in that
twenty twenty primary process. And we should really emphasize the
twenty nineteen primary process. Yeah, press sure was that. Hey, wow,
look at this guy, and like four years ago somebody
had written some profile column about him when he was
mayor saying this man might be the first gay president
(32:47):
of the United States. So like that's always been a
centerpiece of how he was fairly or unfairly so. But
again I get that, you know, in that comment today
Pete Boote, like, don't get that identity politics stuff on me.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
That's not good. It doesn't work any more. I got
a beard.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Now I'm running as the slender version of JD Events,
you know, so good luck.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Repeat Yeah, yeah, not really though.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Anyway, on to the weekend, Jim, I'll see you on Monday.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
See you Monday, Greg.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Jim Garretty, National Review. I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America.
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Monday for the next three Martini lunch
Welcome to the three Martini Lunch.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
and Jim Garritty of National Review. Free Martini's coming up.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Very glad you're with us the Friday edition of the
three teeny Lunch, And Jim, I feel like for the
second consecutive week we can go back to one of
your classic lines of this week has felt like a
long year, and so from everything we've really gone through
in the last week and a half, it's just been
kind of a fire hose of reacting to the murder
(00:33):
of Charlie Kirk himself and then all these ancillary things,
the fallout that has come from Jimmy Kimmel, which will
talk about a little bit more today to all sorts
of different ramifications of that. But we'll also be talking
a little bit more about Kamala Harrisoner score settling from
twenty twenty four, which is actually looking to be far
more entertaining than we first suspected. And we'll also take
(00:53):
a look at Antitha, especially Donald Trump's efforts to designate
them as a terrorist organization. And so, Jim, I can't
imagine how relieved you are that we are about to
hit another weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You know, Greg, I try not to use what I
realized was a verbal crutch of there's a lot to
unpack here, but on everything that's going on, there actually
is a lot to unpack here and might as well
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on that our good Martini actually happened a couple of
days ago, So let's dig into that now. President Trump,
as he is so often wont to do, announces big
things via social media, and this was his truth post
the other day where he says, I'm pleased to inform
our many patriots that I am designated Antifa, a sick,
dangerous radical left disaster as a major terrorist organization. I
(03:08):
will also be strongly recommending that those funding Antifa be
thoroughly investigated in accordance with the highest legal standards and practices.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Others in the media are scratching their heads on this,
saying that this designation is confusing because Antifa has no
official leadership or organization structure. CBS says the president also
lacks authority to designate domestic terrorist organizations, and so jim
the legal framework of these groups, however we want to
(03:42):
call them, Maybe they are a bunch of small groups. Whatever,
we know they're out there. They've caused a tremendous amount
of destruction, from the twenty twenty riots to the siege
at the Portland Federal Building. For seemingly a very long time.
Whenever there's unrest or controversy in this country, they seem
to show up at the worst possible times. So you
got to applaud Trump's effort to rein them in, But
(04:04):
can you actually do this?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, let me say this is a qualified good martini. Look,
if you're on if you follow conservative media, you probably
know exactly what Antifa is. You've probably known about it
for close to a decade now, and the guys in
black masks and black outfits can show up at any
time there's a protest or gathering or something. They've been
really active in the Pacific Northwest, really active in places
(04:27):
like Portland, and they've become a real problem, not just
you know, marching around and vandalism, you know, sometimes really
serious crimes. And I laid a couple of their more
infamous moments in a morning drillt earlier this week. President
Trump is correct that whether or not the shooter of
Charlie Kirk was ever formally affiliated with this And I
understand the Christopher Ray argument that antifa is an ideology,
(04:49):
it's a movement, it's not necessarily a formal organization. It
doesn't mean the people who are following that ideology or
movement can't do a considerable amount of damage and commits, know,
pretty serious crimes. And I always felt like that my
answer was technically accurate, but maybe I felt a little
bit like shrugging off the responsibility of law enforcement when
there's this burgeoning threat out there. Commercial research service, you know,
(05:10):
when Congress has questions, they turned to these folks and
put together these reports. They did one in twenty twenty
three that was really good, and they pointed out like,
unlike foreign terrorism, the federal government does not have a
mechanism to formally charge a person with domestic terrorism. And
they said that because you're not charged with foreign terrorism
as a charge, it makes a little bit tougher to
say who qualifies as a for as.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
A domestic terrorist.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
They also kind of went through and pointed out that
because of this, you know, FBI and Homeland Security they
have a national strategy for it, but they still, you know,
it's very hard to say when does your First Amendment
protected activity turn into something that the government should be
keeping an eye on and you should be you know,
looking at you as a potential domestic terrorist. My sense
is that we may have reached the point where we's
(05:54):
good idea to have a clear definition of what a
domestic terrorist is under the law. Maybe it should be
a criminal tale charge that can be added to other
criminal charges. Trump declaring on truth Social that this is
now a thing that's happening. That's a less than ideal format.
I think we probably need something that'd be good to have.
We could pass legislation. Great didn't our founders set up
(06:14):
like three branches to government. Yes, it feels a lot
of days feelings, it's just two and there's this there
was this dome thing. There was this this dome in Washington,
Dear Congress. Look, probably would be helpful if there were
a federal law that clarified what domestic terrorism is. When
there's what's sufficient threshold of evidence for a federal law
investmentforcement investigation, and when somebody could be charged as a
(06:38):
domestic terrorists, Like the first member texts, your right to
say the government sucks and you know the conversation does
not protect your right to commit crimes. And we have
very clear definition of what those crimes are. So now
the question is if you've got domestic terrorists who have
not committed a crime yet, but they are plotting to
commit a crime, can the federal government wire tap them?
(06:58):
Can the federal government that was so you want them
to intervene before they blow something up. But then the
question is is it obtaining explosives? Is it just simply planning?
When does it become sufficient reason? So I think it'd
be very good. Like we can have you know, at
the risk of cliche, we can have a national dialogue
on this, or at minimum we probably should have clarity.
But I think, you know, like that we have basically
(07:19):
tried to downplay and handwave away the notion of Antifa
as a serious problem for a decade has not gone away.
And in fact, I think after cases like this, it's
perfectly appropriate for the government to say, hey, you know,
what we've been doing in the past hasn't worked. It's
time for a new approach. It probably involves classifying this group,
even if it doesn't have a specified leader, even if
it doesn't have a very organized structure. It would be
(07:41):
really nice if there were an Antifa headquarters important somewhere
that we could you know, track and you know that's
where they are. But you know, the fact that you
can't stop an ideology, or you can't you know, criminalize
an ideology does not mean that if people involved in
the ideology want to commit crimes, you cannot intervene and
do something to prevent harm to the public.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, you mean the Congressional Research Service this is the
CBS report describes Antifa as decentralized, lacking a unifying organizational
structure or detailed ideology. Instead, it consists of quote, independent,
radical like minded groups and individuals unquote. So okay, if
there's not one group, maybe there's a lot of groups here,
(08:21):
and maybe those need to be looked into. You also
need to track the money. Trump's entirely right about that,
because giant palettes of bricks in the summer of twenty
twenty didn't just show up on their own. I don't
think people are walking into the local hardware store and
just grabbing that.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Hey Greg in the nineteen nineties, who is the king
of the militia movement? They're all connected, right, there was
you know, there was that big election ri Tim mcmagh was, No,
there wasn't. Right, everything they're saying describing Antifa probably applies
to militia movements, white nationalists, movements, all kinds of you know,
anti government, you know right wing groups out there. Like, yeah,
(08:54):
they're decentralized, Yeah they operate in small groups, and yeah
they're kind of losing. And there are probably a lot
of guys who are big talkers online but who are
never actually going to do something, or you're looking at
them and maybe it seems like they're going further down
the rapt a hole they're getting, right, Like, I've got
to recognize law enforcement does not always have the easiest
decisions in these sorts of things, in investigating these matters,
(09:15):
But everything we can do for right wing violence seems
like something we should be able to do for left
wing violence. And as much as yeah, they're decentralized, decentralized
groups can still be very dangerous, as we've seen with
islamis terrorism. So yeah, I think you got to, you know,
look into this, even if it is going to be
a significant law enforcement challenge.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And last point in here, I'm not certainly the first
person to make this point, but in the last week
and a half since this horrific murder Jim, has there
been one arson business vandalized, just general mayhem in the streets.
And I don't know what the equivalent would have been
on the other side, maybe it's burning or AOC at
one of their oligarchy rallies. Do you think the streets
(09:55):
will look a little bit differently over the last week
and a half if it had happened in the opposite direction.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Look, you and I talked the late morning, midday after
and you know, when something like this happens, it's a
natural thing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh God, I hope there's not a copycat.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Oh god, I hope there's not some you know, somebody
who thinks that they're helping by retaliatory violence against a
you know, it's not crazy. I think about that. Yesterday
in the corner I made this, I wrote a short
item saying there a couple of things have gone right
as of this recording. That's me knocking on wood. It's
not the workers, just kind of observing that it's been
a week and we hadn't seen terrible k you we
(10:31):
had some nutjob trying to trash at Charlie Kirk. Memorially,
We've seen bad behavior, but we have not seen violence
as of this recording, and that's good to see. And yeah,
you know a lot of Yahoo's have said inappropriate things.
I'm kind of foreshadowing our next martini. But I was struck,
and I quoted this interview with Jamie Lee Curtis, the actress,
who said, looks like I vehemently disagreed with everything Charlie
(10:51):
Kirk said. But she mentioned how she hoped he had
felt close to God in his final moments, and she
just thought about him being as a father and as
a husband, and she cheered up. But she says I'd
never want to see that footage of him being shot
ever again, And like, thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis. There
are people out there on the left side of the
aisle who are horrified by this, who are shocked by this,
(11:12):
who don't want to see it. Apparently Rain Wilson had
said something along like so, first of all, for those
celebrities out there, were left a center and who can
find it to say, oh my god, this is terrible.
Nobody should should have something like this happened to them.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Thank you. I think we need more of that.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I think I'd like to think that if things happened
the other way around, but you'd see conservatives saying this
is awful. I think most people reacted very appropriately when
those two Minnesota lawmakers were shot, other than Mike Lee
based Mike Lee became debased. Mike Lee I wrote a
whole column about that, not that anybody remembers. We got
to remember the people we disagree with our human beings,
and the vast majority of Americans get that. There are
(11:46):
a couple of people out there who let their emotions
run away with them. So let's not forget the good cases.
But also, unfortunately, there are some really bad ones, and
we'll be talking about one of them in just a
few moments.
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our regular listeners know, we spend a lot of time
(13:29):
yesterday in the first Martini on the indefinite suspension of
Jimmy Kimmel as the late night host on ABC, and
there was a lot of different talk going wrong about
why this happened. Of course, it definitely stems from his
comments on Monday night where he said flat out incorrectly,
intentionally incorrectly. I would say the right was trying to
(13:51):
distract people from the fact that the killer of Charlie
Kirk was one of their own. By then, it was
blatantly obvious that that wasn't the case, maybe even more
obvious by charges coming down, I believe the next day.
And so as we talked about yesterday, there was an
affiliate revolt, an affiliate revolt, and there was also an
effort by ABC to get Jimmy Kimmel to clarify or
(14:13):
maybe even apologize, both of which he refused to do.
And so the Hollywood Reporter has basically dug into this,
and it says that Disney CEO Bob Iger and the
co chaired Diante Dana Walden made the decision to suspend
Kimmel's show after he planned a double down and go
on camera to defend his lie that MAGA voters killed
Charlie Kirk rather than kow taw' there. That's Kimmel's word,
(14:36):
I think, to the outrage. There had also been some
death threats allegedly to some staffers of his, which is
horrible and should never happen. But then the advertiser calls
began to roll in, and then the big affiliate conglomerates
of Next Star and Send Claire threatned to preempt the show.
And this is not at all tied to the comments
from FCC chair Brendan Carr. And basically they were looking
(14:58):
at losing sixty six of two hundred affiliates that they
have if the change wasn't made, and when Kimmel refused
to do what Eiger and Walden were encouraging him to do,
they pulled the plug. And so, like we said yesterday,
if that had been the whole story, that would have
been fine, that would have been clean. And Brendan Carr
says he did not pressure ABC. Brendan Carr says, he
did not pressure the affiliates, but he did give interviews,
(15:21):
he did encourage it, He was hoping it would happen,
and that obviously didn't help. And then also yesterday as
the news came down, because you know he can't stay
out of it, you got Donald Trump coming out on
this as well, and he says, great news for America.
The ratings challenged Jimmy Kimmel Show is canceled. Congratulations to
ABC for finally having the courage to do what had
to be done. Kimmel has zero talent and worse ratings
(15:44):
than even Colbert, if that's possible. That leaves Jimmy and
Seth two total losers on fake news NBC their ratings
are also horrible. Do It NBC? President Donald J. Trump.
And so even though the this was going to happen,
the narrative now is that the FCC was directly in
(16:05):
contact with ABC and pushing for this to happen. All
the administration had to do at every level was absolutely nothing.
But now you've got things like this happening. Here'sbert, here's
Colbert's reaction last night.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But tonight we are all Jimmy Kimmel. I still have
a show though, right, Okay, yesterday, after threats from Trump's
FCC chair, ABC yanked Kimmel off the air indefinitely. That
is blatant censorship. And it always starts small, you know,
remember like in week one of his presidency, Gulf of America,
(16:42):
call it Gulf of America. Sure seems harmless, but with
an autocrat you cannot give an inch. And if ABC thinks,
if ABC thinks that this is going to satisfy the regime,
they are woefully naive.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not sure how the Golf of America fits into that,
but Jim obviously have been a lot cleaner if they
just let the market forces take their course. And now
this narrative is something the Ministration's got to deal with.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
For listeners out there who really didn't like listening to
or watching Stephen Colbert in that segment.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This is a short term problem.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yes, that'll be over, This will take care of itself
in a couple of months there. But I'm struck by
again we keep getting into this dynamic where the you know,
the left says Donald Trump is acting like an autocrat,
and a bunch of folks on the rights say, no,
it wasn't him acting like an autocrat. It wasn't him
being a dictator. It's totally different. And then Trump feels
(17:39):
the need to jump onto social media say no, it
totally was me, and I am absolutely acting like an autocrat.
It's totally it was all me. I was doing it.
They I gave the order. You know, Trump, you feels
the need to stick the fork into the electrical socket
every single time, no matter how many times you tell him,
don't do that. My colleague Jeff Blahar has this very
good column out this morning's pointing out like this is
the way Trump wants. He wants to be feared. He
(18:02):
wants people to believe he has the power to make
these sorts of things happen. So I think there's just
something extraordinarily self destructive out there. Brendan Carr did not
need to do this, should not have done this. You know,
Brendan Carr, the private citizen, can say Jimmy Kimmel stinks
as much as he wants. Brendan Carr, the guy who
has regulatory authority over ABC and its affiliates, really should
(18:24):
not be saying this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
But I'm going to shift gears here.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I'm going to ask listeners put yourself into the shoes
of Bob Iger and just imagine how he sees the world.
And I'm sure if you the moment you do that,
your first thought is stop letting Kathleen Kennedy ruins Star Wars.
But that's not what I want to talk about here.
Marvel needs to get back to the classic No. It
just you have this talk show host, like something really
(18:48):
terrible has happened, and emotions are running high. People are
really Conservatives are still upset, heartbroken, grieving, angry, and your
late night host goes out and says something really stupid.
He asserts that this was right right on right violence,
and that the left wing is you know, the left
is not has had no role on this. If Jimmy
Kimmel had said, oh my god, I can't believe I
(19:10):
said that. Wow, I got that so wrong. I was
following stuff on Blue Sky, I was following Lawrence Tribe.
I was like, I got banned from it, and he
went out there and he really wanted to be contrite
and then but then like the problem of the situation
could have died down and there's still be people irked
about it, But instead Kimmell is like, no, I'm going
to go out there and I'm going to give these
guys you know atasta. I'm going to show these guys
(19:33):
that you know like he wants to He's in a
bad situation and he wants to keep digging. He's getting
himself deeper in that hole. He wants to throw gasoline
onto this fire. Right, if you're Bob Iger telling Jimmy Kimmel,
you need to you need to cool off. You go
to the timeout chair, take a vacation, take a breather.
You need to be in a different mindset. If you're
going to be hosting this show. We can't have you
(19:53):
going out there and basically demonizing a whole Like it's
not great to be demonizing people in general. This is
a really bad time to be running around demonizing conservatives,
and the affiliates are upset they are justifiably upset. What
if you told a joke? Could you try that? Would
that be a just different change of pace here or something.
(20:16):
Don't make death threats to Jimmy Kimmel staffers, don't make
death threats to Jimmy Kimber, don't make death threats. You
can just stop right there. That's not a good way
to help this situation. But I I wrote about this
today kind of jumping on yesterday's comments and my jokes
about reorganizing my socktor. I get that the First Amendment
is there to protect everybody, including jerks like Jimmy Kimmel.
(20:37):
But Jimmy Kimmel is not just saying stand up from
my right to speak my mind. He's also saying, help
me keep my sixteen million dollar year job right where
I get to like rip into you conservatives all you know,
you know, every night, five nights a week. There's nothing
you can do about it. You almost never hear me,
you know, rip into any Democrat or anything like that.
(20:58):
And now it's turned into a cause. I understand that
Eric Swalwell was wearing a Jimmy Kimmel cap on his greg.
You know, look, I as much as we like to
mock him. Eric Swall is not a guy who want
to mess with He will show you his fank things.
So like he's turned to this now, this big cause
of a lot of lefties and we have to stand
(21:19):
up for the First Amendment. And like a whole bunch
of people on the right are like Charlie Kirk just
had his First Amendment rights ended by a bullet. There
is still so much anger and hurt out there that
I don't think it does any good for the left,
or for Hollywood, or for anybody else to say. And
now is the time where we all have to stand
up and defend Jimmy Kimmel. Nobody on the right wants
(21:39):
to hear it right now. He's really not the victim
in this story. He chose to make these statements and
then he chose to double down, and that's why he's
in this situation. And I think that's you know, a
lot of this is just natural consequences. And the other
thing at my point today is like just in today's
morning newsletter, Kimmel's been such a jerk for so long Trump,
It is true social posts goes after Jimmy fallon. I
(22:03):
know Jimmy Fallon is not a conservative, But I also
I don't know, I don't get the feeling Jimmy Fallon
looks at conservatives with contempt. He had Trump on his show.
I think before the twenty sixteen election got a lot
agree for it. I think Jimmy Fallen just wants to
host dance parties. He just wants to sing silly songs
and slow jam the news. And I don't get that
same contempt vibe that I get from Jimmy Kimmel. So
(22:26):
I think if Fallon had ever screwed up like this,
they'll probably be a little bit more sympathy. They're probably
a little bit more tendency to Okay, you screwed up,
but we can forgive this Kimmel. Like, you know, the
headline in Today's Jolt is karma catches up to Jimmy Kimmel,
And I kind of feel like that's what's here. Does
this mean the First Amendment doesn't plot? No, Like I
didn't want to see Brendan Carr say and this stuff.
But if everybody's not so motivated to help about Jimmy Kimmel,
(22:48):
it's because of his record. Going back to hosting the
show in January, two thousand and three, Greg, his show
is older than ours.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
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three mL. Co All right, Jim, quickly onto our third martini.
(24:33):
Now the fun just keeps coming out of this Kamala
Harris memoir from the twenty twenty four campaign. We just
talked last week about how it was reckless for Joe
Biden to run again, But more juicy stuff now. As
you reported today's Morning Jolt, just before she went on
for the one debate with Trump, she gets a call
from Biden who says, hey, my brother told me you've
(24:55):
been bad mouthing me, and now donors in Philadelphia thinking
about not kicking in, and so she's why tell me this?
Like five minutes before before I go on stage, and
then the other big bombshell is that while she personally
has great affection for Tim Walls, she increasingly thought that
he wasn't doing a great job. She thought he was
too friendly to jd Vance in the debate, and ultimately
(25:16):
she says that she wishes she had gone with Pete
Budha Judge, not Josh Shapiro. Pete Bota Judge, she writes,
he would have been an ideal partner if I were
a straight white man, but we were already asking a
lot of America to accept a woman, a black woman,
a black woman married to a Jewish man, But knowing
what was at stake, it was too big of a risk.
(25:39):
Jim just Shapiro was the leader in the clubhouse. She
didn't like him because he asked too many questions about
what his job would be for four or eight years,
as opposed to the next three months on the campaign trail.
And so I think she basically crumbled to the social
media pressure from the farther left that it should be
Tim Walls, and then surprise, surprise, it didn't pan out
too well.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So listeners are gonna let you in a so National
Review asked, did you want to review the Kamala Harris book,
and I was like, heck, yes, I can't wait. You know,
I don't have an advanced copy. And I'm frustrated by
this because clearly some people do and they're already, you know,
putting out some of the juiciest parts. But one Greg,
I can't wait. I just like it sounds so juicy,
but also a sense of like, I honestly feel an
(26:21):
element of good for you. Kamala Harris not so much
in the like, of course she's blaming everybody but herself.
Of course, she had a very big role in why
she was defeated. It's very hard to say that she
had no role in any of this. But just because
she's diverting blame doesn't mean that some of these other
people don't deserve some blame. And I don't think it's
a wild or crazy assertion to say that Tim Walls
(26:42):
really was underwhelming in his debate, that Elmer Fudd fearful,
wide eyed, you know, deer in the headlights look and
so and the interesting thing, so she says Boota Jedge
And we'd always kind of figured that Harris and Buddha
Jedge we were kind of rivals, and it sounds like,
you know, she's like, oh, you know, Pete and I
get along really well. Pete Bootagejays was asked about this
(27:03):
by Politico yesterday, and he says, I just believe in
giving Americans more credit than that.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Buddish Jedge's like, nah, don't blame me, or this is
a slogan too gay for Kamala Harris, is that something
that helps him in twenty twenty eight? As I heard
him in twenty twenty eight, I don't know. If you're
a Republican and you're running against Tim Walls in for
governor of Minnesota in twenty twenty six, look, you're always
gonna have an uphill climb. But Tim Walls even disappointed
(27:30):
Kamala Harris seems like a really that's a zinger you
can uncork in a debate or put in an attack
ad or something like that. It'll be very interesting to
see if Walls comes out and makes any statement about this.
The Shapiro thing, it does sound weird. Oh. He also
said he issued a statement that was kind of along
the lines of this, this is not true everything I
(27:50):
had said said. I was completely focused on defeating Donald Trump.
My first thought was okay this, she does not want
to run for twenty twenty eight. She knows it's never
going to happen. So now we're getting she's venting. Here's spleen,
she's spilling the tee, she's letting you put it all
out there. And then it's like, well, maybe you're trying
to you know, maybe you don't want Joshapiro to run
in three and a half years, You don't want Tim
Walls to run. You kind of want to, you know,
(28:12):
take these guys out. I don't know if there's you know,
some ricochet play, if she.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Has in mind.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I also don't think you know, all of you failed me,
therefore you owe me another shot as the nominee. I
don't think that's gonna be a resonant message in twenty
twenty eight. I think Democrats really want to put this
behind them. However, like for all the Democrats who are
like dreading this book and saying they don't want to
go through these arguments again. You can't win unless you
understand why you lost. And if the problem was just
(28:40):
Harrison Walls, you know, and the same platform, the same policies,
the same approach to American national life, like Okay, you
can try that. I don't like she was flawed, no doubt.
Tim Wallas was flawed, no doubt. But I think there
was a more fundamental problem there. And I think it's
the agenda. I think that a lot of Americans look
at what worries what what democrats worry about, and they're
(29:01):
like that, that's not me, that's not I want the economy.
I'm worried about immigration, you know, like this, I think
at the end she just came across as somebody who
did not understand the problems of people like me, as
they say in the in the Pulse. So I'm looking
forward to this. I think this is fascinating. I think
it's a kind of funny. I think we're getting a
whole you know what this is greg to get, you know,
for our gen X audience. What it's the real world.
(29:24):
This is what happens when people stop being polite and
start being real. And I think she's had these feelings
about these other Democrats for a long time.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
The other thing, which I'm just about to put in
a corner post. Probably by the time people hear this,
it'll be up there. There's another excerpt in The Washington
post that says her team told her on the Friday
before election day that she was leading in all seven
swing states. She went oh for seven. The other is
also like was David Ploff said on Pod Say of
America that their internal polling never had them ahead. So
(29:55):
somebody's not telling the truth here, or maybe she was
getting a sugarcoated for I know, there's something that's not
adding up here. And then the other thing is, remember, Greg,
this campaign spent one point five billion dollars in seventeen weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Right, you figure.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
They've got every polling, public opinion measuring do dad gizmo,
and I'm picturing like a Rube Coldberg thing of just
and they thought they were up at all seven and
they ended up going over seven. Right, you know, somebody
got hosed, somebody got scammed on that one.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So I'm hoping she names names. We will see how
this shakes out.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
But you know, Greg, this may be the book of
the I am, you know, no offense to the great
Brad four, no offense to all the great thriller writers
out there. I can't wait to read Kamala Harris's book.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
They didn't like to give Biden bad news. They probably
didn't want to give her bad news either. So interesting
quote real quickly from Buddha jed you referred to a
little bit. He says, my experience in politics has been
that the way you earn trust with voters is based
mostly on what they think you're going to do for
their lives, not on categories, which is a very mackenzie
and answer, but it's also probably the right answer instead of,
(31:04):
you know, falling on identity politics, like Harris was trying
to explain.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
There.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Here's the thing though, if it weren't for identity politics,
we would have no idea who Pete Boudha Judge is.
And here's my proof. Twenty twenty campaign, two mid sized
city mayors ran for president on the Democratic side. One
was Pete Bodha Judge and the other was Wayne Messim.
I don't know if you remember a lot about Wayne Messim,
but he's the mayor still is of Miramar, Florida, which
is actually bigger than South Bend, Indiana. But he got
(31:31):
no oxygen, got no polling, got no fundraising, didn't up
on a debate stage, had to drop out. Pete Boodha Judge,
of course, gets tons of media attention because of one
single fact. It's not what he did in South Bend, Indiana.
It's the fact that he's a gay candidate, and he'd
be the only one up there on the stage who
was so. And so the fact that he has advanced
as far as he is is mainly that because if
(31:52):
you can point to accomplishments in South Bend, if you
can point to accomplishments at the Department of Transportation, I'll listen.
But I mean, there's pretty much one reason for Pete
Buddha Judge's rise in national politics.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Now, Greg, that's not true. Pete Buddhach Judge also went
to Harvard uh huh, genuinely. To his credit, he served
in the military. That's also importantly, he was at Mackenzie
Consulting and at McKinsey. We believe that your biggest problem
is also your biggest opportunity. I have a twenty four
point PowerPoint to his place, and this basically say you
(32:23):
need to pay more.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Like.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
You know, he had charisma, he had other attributes, but yes,
like indisputably a huge chunk of his coverage in that
twenty twenty primary process. And we should really emphasize the
twenty nineteen primary process. Yeah, press sure was that. Hey, wow,
look at this guy, and like four years ago somebody
had written some profile column about him when he was
mayor saying this man might be the first gay president
(32:47):
of the United States. So like that's always been a
centerpiece of how he was fairly or unfairly so. But
again I get that, you know, in that comment today
Pete Boote, like, don't get that identity politics stuff on me.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
That's not good. It doesn't work any more. I got
a beard.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Now I'm running as the slender version of JD Events,
you know, so good luck.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Repeat Yeah, yeah, not really though.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Anyway, on to the weekend, Jim, I'll see you on Monday.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
See you Monday, Greg.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Jim Garretty, National Review. I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America.
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