February 8, 2022 • 52 mins
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Good day, good night, Welcometo the Farm Rings Podcast and keV
Larmy joined by Dwayne Robins, aswe break down day four in Beijing twenty
twenty two. February eighth is ourwrapped up, and we'll set up the
table for February ninth at the endof the show, even looking at the
medal standings and the official medal standings, which counts gold medals before of everything
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else, because that's how the worldworks, gold in front of everything else.
But first, Dwayne, how areyou today? Are you telling me
that first is more important than third? Kevin, Well, to the surprise
of many that we're given trophies forevery single spot they finished in every single
sports they've played, first is firstand when your third, you're not first,
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you have not one if you're notfirst. Well, this is funny
because Kevin Simonnial here and I'm thegen xer, so like I really you
were the one that should be sayingthat we have should have the participation.
So I was like what I reslylike, oh, here's your medals?
Like why why do I have amedal because you participate in the tournament.
I was like, that's stupid.What are you doing. I was literally
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like, that's not real. That'swhere my illusion and innocence was lost when
I was given a trophy and Iwas like, well, we finished last.
We sucked. We were the worstteam ball team in the history of
this tournament. Here's your trophy.No, you can keep your trophy,
give me good teammates instead. Damnwe're having some some some deep cuts here.
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But anyway, No, yeah,you know that the gold medal is
should be should be what's considered first. So yes, what CBC is telling
you is not true. Canada isnot fifth or fourth or whatever they're telling
this. But here we are knowCanada's eleventh. But speaking of gold medal
or lack thereof, I'm looking atyou USA. I'm looking at you the
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United States of America, which yourlack of gold medals after day four,
still six days of full competition,pretty much four silvers, one bronze for
five total medals. And yeah,that's not great for USA. They're waiting
for their gold. There's been acouple of bad bounces here and there,
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and you can parlay those bad bounceswith a defeat against Canada yesterday in Hockey
Ana. The feeling surrounding these gamesis, well, they're starting a bit
slow for Team USA. They are. It's a bit odd because we're used
to watching the Americans be the topof everything, right, like it's it's
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not something that we expect to seefor them to be struggling as much,
but they absolutely have been, andthey've been. They've been struggling in the
competitions that they want to be successfulin the competitions that they have a lot
of attention to we watch. Thereason the schedule is the way it is,
it's because NBC wants to put certainsports on us from times, but
they haven't been doing very well inthose sports. Update which is funny because
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yeah, that's what I was thinkingtoo, is like, oh, yeah,
they're doing great, it's going tobe perfect. Eleven PM and then
Canada just wins. Mary Philip playwith the late goal, although I had
to. It's a tradition on thisshow where I guess I just say congratulations
scoring a clutch goal, which isalways happens. And in that game there
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was a weird things that happened toyou know, that American player who slashed
the referee when I'm wanting it topoor referee. It's going to the side
of like the the benches and she'sbleeding. It's like, yeah, who
said it was easy to be areferee even at the Olympics. Oh no,
wow, that was that was abig too. Like under under you
can see the blade of the ofthe stick hit her right underneath the visor
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like literally like a millimeter and youhave like thirty eight cameras in the arena
or something, so yeah, likefive different angles of the blade hit in
your face. It was like almosta bit too much. Yeah, she's
going to have a permanent sort ofYeah, like any proof that you were
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that you were refereeing in the Beijing. Yeah, look at my nose,
you see there's missing a piece.Yeah, it's in Beijing. Um,
I'll tell you what. I playedhockey for like sixteen years. Um,
so I played at I wouldn't saya high level, but I played at
a level, and I refereed atlevels as well. And the only time
I was ever really hurt was refereeing. It's dangerous out there. You can
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hit You get hit by box,you get hit by sticks, you can
hit by everything. Yeah. Youknow, what's what's harder than playing is
trying to be out of the play. It's it's like it's one of the
hardest thing to do. I'm tryingto not being people's way. There's this
right, I'm sad because and look, the players are never happy with you
when you get in their way becauseexactly or out there, if you're too
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much out that you're too far away, you can't see the action. Yeah,
I'll tell you what I The onetime I really got caught very badly
when I played hockey. When Iwas involved in hockey, was refereeing.
Dropped the pots that came up boom. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably like
it happened so many times, Ithink in the faith out. Oh good
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for her for continuing on. Yeah, but this was a good day of
action. There's a couple of storylinesthat came out of this day. We're
going to talk about it. AndI kept my big storylines for a couple
of my medals. I do havesome side conversation pieces with my medals today.
It's going to be fun when weget there. But let's start in
dayne. Yesterday we started with you, they too did with me. We'll
start with me today on day four, and I want to start with my
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wood metal that encompasses a few things. It's been four full days of competition,
so it's not just a small samplesize. There's been a few articles
written about it. The most famousone is on the BBC Right Now BBC
website, Bbcworldnews dot com, andit's about the treatments of athletes, especially
the ones in isolation, the oneI have to quarantine. A certain aspect
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of these Olympics are different than whatathletes are used to. Poor food choices
and exams. One example that isnot fully corroborated, but there's been a
few instances and the one case ofthe roc athlete that has been given the
same food four times a day orthree times a day, four days in
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a row. That hasn't been corroboratedthat version, but there's been another version
that has been made public and hasbeen verified, where same food choices and
the treatments for when you're quarantine versusthe treatment when you're not are not the
same, and you can't even maintainyour level of fitness you don't. They
are not given the right infrastructures.The athletes are not treated the same just
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because of where they're from. Also, some bigger part of the world that
have a bigger Olympic committee will betreating a certain way, and if you're
not from them and you get quarantine, you're treating another way. Also,
if we're looking at decision making processfor cross country skiing, it was extremely
cold where they held the skiing venues, and according to International Skiing Federation laws,
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if it's under minus twenty you're notsupposed to take part. You're not
supposed to have your competition. It'ssupposed to be delayed until the weather permits
it. While there's kind of likea loop all where the Beijing organizers organizers,
well, well that's that's without winschill. So even if it's minus thirty
one with windschill, you can stillgo out and ski, which all led
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us to see the one of thebiggest fashioned faux pause in the Olympics this
year, which is a lot ofcross country skiers paying homage to the Ultimate
Wire and wearing a mask in theirface that looks a lot like an eighties
wrestling painting job. Yeah, thatwas very cold for them. But there's
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a lot of little things like thispulled together that shown that the athletes are
not treated to what we would callOlympic standards. Yeah, that's unfortunate.
I mean, I don't know whatmore to say, but other than the
fact that they shouldn't be doing that. But this is the thing that the
Olympics have done for a long timeis it's it's about the TV. It's
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about making sure you put the showon, but not necessarily about putting the
best competition forward in And certainly wewere seeing a bit of that right now.
That food photo that went out islike I wouldn't I wouldn't eat that,
Kevin. That food photo went outcollaborated, as you said, but
yeah, and d BBC is verycareful, but they did publish it in
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their article saying, look, thisis from the official account of that athlete.
We just can't firm that that pictureis what it says it is.
But it was a very dismal picturethat even in hospitals was considered bad places
to get food, would serve it. It's like a handful of pastas with
some red sauce and next to itburnt potatoes, charred meat on a stick,
and a couple other questionable food items. And knowing multiple people who are
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working at the Games right now indifferent many positions because of the different works
I do for a living, Ido know that some of the test events
and a few months ago when theywere testing stuff, the way that some
of the food, the way ofa few things that were given to employees
and stuff was really questioning, andthey prepared accordingly, bringing their own food
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provisions with them for the month ofthe Olympics, which was a really good
idea the athletes and stuff like.I think it goes deeper, and as
much as people think it's cool tohave a robot serving you, it's not
necessarily efficient and there's a whole lotof things that we don't see that some
of the athletes, especially once youtest positive or once you're you're on the
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outs or against there, or ifyou feel there against you, it's not
the same treatment. Then that isa bit unfortunate. Then you know,
it doesn't matter from Canaday, fromCameroon or wherever you're from. You should
get the same treatment regardless of thepolitical views of your country when you get
to the Olympic Games. And Iwant to add one thing to this medal,
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and we'll talk about this issue moreor later on, but the whole
Pengshuai situation that happened in Beijing yesterday, she was brought in by the International
Olympic Committee. She did a biginterview with Lee Kip peng Shui, Chinese
tennis player, one of the bestin the world, who last November went
public saying she was sexually arrassed andassaulted by an official of the Chinese government.
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Since then, there's been a wholelot of First of all, a
lot of worry from the WUTA becauseshe was she was missing, she did
not show up to some commitment,that she was not entering calls, and
that was a big concern for theentire world. And this was her first
public outing on one event yesterday,which was the bigger with Island Gou one.
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We'll talk about it later, butall this together it was to be
expected. But also the propaganda opportunitiesthat have been seen from the International Olympic
Committee with China so far have leftme also a bit cold, because it's
it looks to me, like they'relike, look, you guys know we're
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gonna try this, so we're notgonna be really over. We're not going
to do as much as you guyswould think. But just once in a
while during these games will be like, you know, here, we're good
people, We're good, a goodregime. Look, nothing happened with Petua.
She she's okay. I think they'regreat. It just feels a bit
well because it is, but it'sall very much a bit orchestrated. Uh
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yeah, Like I mean, firstoff, I believe women, So that's
just say that up front. Whenit comes to her situation, it's unfortunate.
It's not even the right way toput it. But when it comes
to China and it when it comesto orchestrating things, it is what it
is. At this point, youjust gotta have a critical eye when you
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look at all of it, right, And it's unfortunate, But yeah,
it's here, we are. Imean, we're talking about this still,
and this is an unfortunate situation basedon the fact that the games are in
a place that it is. AndI think it's I feel for the Chinese
people because they want their games tobe successful. They want their country to
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be viewed in a certain way,but their government is what it is,
and I don't know more to sayabout that. I'm not even sure I'm
saying this in a great articulate wayright now either, But it's just kind
of sad anyway. That's all Igot to say about that. So that's
my Wood medal for a day forthe overall athlete treatments when it comes to
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all these situations. And we'll continueto talk about the Pengshuay situation also because
the big story in Lee Keep andLee Keep was very open in how they
were treated for this. They weresaying that we weren't censored, but the
answer she was given were also yes, arranged, the questions were given.
They also were given free range toask new questions that they were given double
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the time that first allowed it.But there was also some conditions and never
in their own words, they stillcouldn't answer the question. As it is
Peng Shuai saying the words she wantedto say, they couldn't. They couldn't
know, and that's also part ofthis story. Yeah, I'm sure that
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they've dealt with that situation however theywanted to deal with it. But it's
not in any way that makes themlook poor. I mean, but it
does because we all see it,right anyway, it's it is they think
it doesn't look because look, nosee, no problem. We gave free
rein for an interview with Ping Shua. We did nothing wrong. Everything's great,
yes, but it's the yes.But anyways, that's my wood metal
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for today. Yeah, yeah,and here we are. And look,
China does a lot of good stuff, but they also do a lot of
really bad stuff. So here youmy wood metal. Kevin is gonna be
a little less serious if that's okay, but in fact it's gonna be a
little weird, a little ironic even. I'm gonna give my wood metal to
the Swedish women's hockey team, whojust won a minute ago as we're recording
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right now. They actually have advancedto the quarter finals. But this is
Sweden and this is hockey, andit took them every effort that they had
to get through. And I wantto ask a question of why the women's
hockey team in Sweden is so bad? Why are you not supporting your women's
team this much? Politically speaking,it would be interesting to answer that question.
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Where where is Sweden leaning towards theinclusion of women's sports in the investment
and funding of such sports versus andthis is a country cabin that we generally
think of as being progressive. Soyeah, that changed about four years ago.
Yeah, it's a very confusing situation. And they they fell out of
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Group A of the Women's World HockeyChampionship. Sweden is in Group B.
Sweden is in Group B of theWomen's World Hockey Championships. And when it
comes to the women they're playing likewith the Hungarys and that of the world,
which you don't all respect the Hungaryin that, but they don't have
a hockey program normally, right.You know when they won three to one
against Denmark, and Denmark it waswell it was two one at the end
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of the game. It could havebeen two too. They could have tied
it up. They got a penaltyhere and there, but a different balance
of the puck on the boards,and you know, Denmark could have got
the equalizer. You're right, Swedenmight be top of these games because of
the amount of the cross country skiingmedals they got and they're going to continue
to get. But in the honeyside, you're right, there are very
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disappointing so far on the women's side. Yeah, and we'll see what they
in the mensta But it's like itdoesn't really matter about that, because what
I want to ask the question iswhat I just did, is like,
why aren't they supporting this a programthat finished second they got the silver medal?
What was that three Olympics ago,and they haven't done anything. The
fact they've gone backwards since they arenot a program that you look at in
any way whatsoever is moving forward.We need other women's programs other than the
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big two. In that game,and we're gonna talk more about that game
in a minute. That game lastnight between the US and Canada was amazing.
It's the best hockey game I've seenit this year. Yeah, it
was. It was a good game. It was a very fast based game
too, exactly. But the restof the world, well, the big
countries in the rest of the world, because you know what, God blessed
them or God blessed Japan, China, those countries from the Yeah, they're
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trying and you can tell there's givingthe effort and they're progressing. Well,
no, that's a great, greatchoice for you women better. Yeah,
Well, and you know, andI'll due respect to the it's in Sweden
that are doing what they can,but it's the federation that I'm giving my
wood medal to. Today we'll playCanada, I believe, in the quarterfinals.
So here you go. Well,that's gonna be fun for them.
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I'm sure. I'm sure that's whatthey got. That's what the teams,
that's what the players are gonna sayduring the game. Yeah, this is
fun. I'm sure that's what theyI'm sure the goalkeeper for Sweden is gonna
say, wow, this is funswhat the number is? Take the over,
Take the over all. Right,let's move to my poutine medal for
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this day. And and I haven'ttold each other our medal, so maybe
we don't have the same one.Hopefully. My poutine medal is to a
seventeen year old way seventeen year oldOlivia Aslin. She's got an eighth place
in the world, which is prettyinsane in big air. She's seventeen years
old and she finished eighth at thebig air competition first time. This competition
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is in the Olympics, and sheis surprisingly one of the bronze in the
X Games in twenty twenty two tookplace an Aspen a few weeks ago,
and she is showing a great growthand for a seventeen year old to position
herself as one of the top ten, one of the best in the world
in her discipline is amazing. She'sgoing to continue to grow. In four
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years time in Milano Cortina dan Pezzo, she will be one of the athletes
to keep an eye on for thepodium. She's showing a grace, a
maturity that is rare, and atseventeen years old, she still says that
her specialty is more soap style.Recently her results would say that her biggest
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potential might be the big gear.It's a great story, very young,
still a name to remember. Oliviaessay, I love that competition so much.
We're gonna talk about it more later, so we'll leave it at that.
It's a good, good puccine Matala. She enjoys her Friesen Bravy because
I I hope she actually has apoutine because she should be good. She
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deserves him. Yeah, And speakingof people that deserve a poutine, I'm
gonna give my poutine medal today toScott gall who finished fifth in the twenty
k biathlon and fifth place is nojoke, so much so that we'll talk
about him later too. There yougo, exactly, that's it's an incredible
performance in a sport that Canada isnot really known for. And so far
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on these Games now we have twoevents that Canada is not really known for
that they've had incredible results in JamesCrawford or Jack Crawford, depending on how
you want to call him, finishedfourth in the men's downhill, which is
one of the events that Drain's preferringto, which was the best result since
Edboski and the Olympics in the men'sdownhill, which is a long time ago.
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Dwain could talk to you about itand Steve exactly so long ago that
I misnamed him exactly Steve who's fromDominolls, Ontario, which it always goes
on my mind. There was asa woman from um from Scotland that finished
this in the in the big airtoo, so that that blew my mind.
How how someone from Scotland is aworld class athlete. Well, big
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air is good because it's it's onthe hill, so you don't necessarily need
something beg straight down absolutely insane andjump off and flip around. We're like,
you know this jump that you don'tsee the landing, Yeah, jump
off of it. Trust me,I'll be fine. Like what huh you
want me to go where? No? Thanks. I love these people,
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they are amazing. They entertain megreatly, but they are not They're nuts.
They're nuts, They're not well andnot at all all right, that
is a green putiniddle. We'll comeback and talk about Scott Gao and I'll
go with my bronz. I'm notgoing to spend too much time on my
bronze because I have a feeling you'regoing to talk about that athlete too.
But the reason why I put itto bronze is because it would have been
my gold, but because of thePengshua situation that happened in that event,
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I have to bump it down twice. So I'm talking about Eileen Coop,
who was born in the u Saybut representing China. She won gold medal
in the bigger competition that we justtalked about. But during the competition,
Peng Shuai was shown to the crowd. Pengshuai had this moment and she was
seen in the IOC took a lotof pictures of pengshua assisting while attending this
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victory and cheering on the Chinese HilanGou. This whole thing, the whole
thing of the political aspect of thefact that he really do mention that she
was born in the USA and choseto represent China. They're really hitting the
nail on the head there. Theywant to make sure you knew that she
chose China over USA, and thewhole Peng Shuai situation bumped it down from
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gold to bronze for me. Butthe jump itself is worthy of a gold
medal on any day. Yeah,I am going to have her a little
bit higher, in fact, ashigh as I can put her. Awesome
right now, that's just saying thatI have hersed my gold and I will
all the reason I did is becauseI performed performance was amazing and it was
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and her smile is it lights upher room like she's an incredible athlete,
right and we can't get inside herhead and decide why she's chosen to represent
this regime which I have issues with. I think Kevin, you have issues
with. I don't want to speakfor you, but you can tell me
if I'm wrong, but she didand she performed at the highest level.
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So absolutely that that entire competition,the Big Air was amazing. All of
those athletes, the French athlete,the Scottish girl. I just talked about
all them. So the French athlete, her name is Tess Lead. Do
you know what that means? Leadermeans the two basically as in the thh
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and to the number two. Andshe finished second. Yeah, that was
very funny that L two finished finishedsecond. Yeah, fair enough. She
was incredible, like she's They're allamazing. That entire sport is incredible.
It was such fun of that.And we have like much more. We
have this the snowboard version of it, we have another, the male version
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of that. It's I'm looking forwardto all of it. It's incredible to
watch. But they all are nutsand they all are amazing, and I
love them all. But but yeah, Alain Goo is my gold medal,
I'll tell you now. But she'syour bronze for the reason you said,
and we should say that, andwe can only ask her why she chose
to well, and you know,for her reason might be pure and valid,
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right if she feels that it's tohonor her parents. And her mother,
and yeah, who are we tosay anything like that. Hopefully that's
what it is for sure, andeven if it's not, it's it's her
own decision. But to me,it's more how they're making sure that anytime
an official Chinese government or IOC istalking about her, that they don't just
say the Chinese athlete, they saythe American born Chinese athlete, which hits
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it over really make it puts theemphasis on she decided that, and it
as a political component, you canjust say the Chinese athlete, which would
be Acrod also no one, Andlook, I have trouble with that aspect.
The it takes more than anything else, the nationalism aspect to it,
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and I have trouble with it becauseI also feed into it, right I
don't. I may not have everseen some whatever athlete from wherever before,
but if he has, that madePulley found or I'm going to cheer for
him, and that's nationalism. AndI appreciate that it plays into that,
but sometimes it's not attractive, right, it's not not great. But what
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I will say is that she's anincredible athlete and what she did was inspirational
that I saw her do on thefield on the slope. So that's that's
what I'm going to focus on.So we did two woods, two poutine,
one bronze. We've got one bronzeas two silvers and two golds to
go. Let's take a short break. When we come back, we'll talk
about Dwayne's bronze medal for day fourand we'll give you the most important medals
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of the day, which is asilver and gold. After this short break
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and we're back on the Fabrics podcast. I'm Kevi Lamy joined by Dwayne Rowlands.
As always, Dwayne, your bronzemedal for day four. We've been
bashing the Americans a little bit today, so I'm gonna give them a bronze
medal. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, go ahead, and absolutely
that's that's what they have the mostactually, yeah. So Nathan Chan he
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hasn't got his medal yet. Heprobably well break their little problem they have
there with within the men's figure skating. He broke a world record yesterday in
the short program. You know,look it figure skating, I think is
sough's having a moment right now.It's trying to figure out where it exists.
It's in the bottom of the popularitywave. Let's be honest, it's
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in the it's in a down cycle. Yeah, And I don't know what
the answer is, and it's aIt's an interesting conversation to have, and
I I very much respect what figureskating is, but I also cannot argue
with you. First stop, Nathanjen broke a role record, great performance,
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that's what we want to say.He's my bronze metalist. But I
can't get into this competition, Kevin, I really can't. It's on my
third TV. It's on my bigTV actually from Maine, CBC, but
it's on mute, and the figureskating on mute is basically just people skating
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music, you know. But Iget it. No, i'd to say,
if I respect the talent and thegrace and the fact that I can
never do any of the move thatthey do, does it mean that I
want to watch them? No?But, like you're going to probably say,
I know, my parents love towatch it. Oh God, my
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mom loves to watch it. Mymom makes me message her every day during
the Olympics to tell her when theskating's on. The skating and the diving.
That's my mom. God, blessyou. And there's a lot of
your mom. There's only one ofher good but meaning there's a lot of
similar mentality which they would love towatch it. They watch it religiously every
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four years. But it's interesting tome to see the continuously elation of that
sport versus the young generation and howto draw them in to this competition.
I don't know anyone. I mean, I'm not young anymore, but I
don't really know anyone that participates insweet skating anymore. Like it's just not
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sort of if you're skating anymore,said speed skating. But it's just interesting.
When I was growing off, itwas common for people to encountered anyway
to participate. I just don't seeit in the same way anyway. I
guess it's been more niche. Maybeit's been more niche. It's also maybe
a demographic that you don't but maybethey don't have access. But I also
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think that it's it could be abit more niche than it was. And
it's also it depends big cities,it's a bit less popular. You go
outside and we're talking about this softwaretogether the other day, is you do
have an aspect of it where insmaller towns, it'll be very popular,
and I equivalate to another sport likecheerleading or something similar that even in school,
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you you you might never see orhave a friend that does it,
but there's a lot of people thatdoes sport. I remember in high school
there was a couple of horror andmore. In the elementary school, there
was a couple of girls in ourschool that were figure skaters two and we
all knew who they were, andthey were kind of like stars for that
because they could do like they couldtwist on the ice. So every time
we were going to hockey practice orskating practice and they were there, can
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you can you twist for us?But you're right, maybe it's not something
that is as prevalent, or ifit is, it's a bit more niche
in society. Yeah. Yeah,look, I mean it is niche.
I think I want to say this. I do very much respect the talent
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that they bring. What they dois incredible ice skate. I'm I'm a
good skater. I played hockey butthe whole life. I would estimate that
I am amongst the top five percentof skaters in the world, which doesn't
say much because I live in Canada. Which means I'm, you know,
the top fifty percent of skaters inthis country. But they're incredible what they
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do. But it's just not it'sa sport that needs to figure itself out.
And it's a sport that started tolose its way in the nineties,
like it used to be the topof the entire Winter Olympics. It was
the ones you're Olympics in the nineties, like it was, and for a
lot of reasons that were their ownfaults. Yeah, well, the corruption,
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corruption doesn't help. I think alsothe pointing system and the way it's
not as instinctual right now, forthe Lehman makes a big different where you
have to follow the yellow box,green box and xs instead of just seeing
a ten or not seeing a ten. Right, that made a big difference
in the whole. But it's morefair now. But yeah, something to
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ponder and to think about and maybea bit later. And why we don't
feel the same way about figure skating. Yeah, well it's funny because the
point system. Yeah, I agree, the way they do it now is
not that engaging, like oh no, you didn't get the element. Oh
yeah, it got the element,which is great because you're taking the subjectivity
out of it. But it's aboutartistic it's about movement, about grace and
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grace and all these things are subjectivesexactly. Yeah. Well, yeah,
the reason we're here is because becausepeople were given money or opportunities and because
they were like, Okay, wellyou give me money, I'll give you
a ten. There's a great Netflixthere's a great documentary about the two thousand
and two figures getting competition the Doubles. Yeah, Jamie Solle and Paula.
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Yeah, watch it. That's allit's called. The whole series called Bad
Sport is a mailing. It's amazing. That episode is really good. The
one on the Arizona State sun Devilsscandals in the yearly nineties about Point Chamming
is also very fascinating. Yeah.Yeah, it's a great show. I've
watched it twice. I like,dude, I want to watch it again.
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It's just amazing. But though you'reright, yeah, you just wish
you were Yeah, you had whatyou knew, which I was alive in
nineties and I was like, whatbut put the money on Arizona State.
All right, I'm gonna do that. College basketball, you gotta love it.
College basketball, it's the time topay attention, by the wayner right
now, yeah, month, it'sfine, no, non have a show
if you want, well, Ido so you'll find that later today on
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Betting on Sports podcast. Alright,my silver for let's go through this.
We've been talking too much already withthirty five minutes and already we haven't even
gone to the good part. We'llgo quickly because you mentioned it already.
My silver medal is Ska Gao whofinished fifth. Rarely in middle is rarely
do I have one of my medals, not being an actual medal, but
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Ska Gaal of Canada finished fifth inthe biathlon in the twenty kilometer of biathlon
and I was looking at his trackrecord, this is one of his best
performances ever. He finished fourteenth inPyeongchang in the same discipline the twenty kilometers
individual. He finished sixty first inthe sprinth and eleventh with a relay in
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twenty eighteen. If we just lookat a World Cup level in the World
Championships, fortieth eightieth, twenty sixth, forty third, eighteenth, sixty third,
thirty first are all results that hehad over the last six seventh World
Championships and he finished fifth at theOlympics. So oh out performing your personal
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best on the biggest stage, representingCanada, doing one of the best performances
ever for Canada in the men's individualbiathlon twenty kilometers and doing so which a
very good result with quite honestly oneof the best result in biathlon ever.
I thought was really fascinating. Andto me, I do like that competition
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too. I like the fan theFrench guy who won, kind of I
don't have any in the medal,so I can talk about him. Conte
Fio Mayer who won gold medal.He had a great story with his father
and grandfather and he told them thathe wanted to win for them and to
all them know who you win foryou and for us too, but you
win for you. And he cameout and he actually did a performance that
was really surprising, and this Frenchmanwon a lot of people's affection with how
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he was celebrating on the podium too. Is beautiful to see. But the
Canadian Scott gal fifth, he ismy silver medal for today. Look,
I mean I put him on myputain. It's going to be one of
the most incredible performances by Canadian athletesin the entire Olympics. But it's not
gonna appear on the little CBC graphicever, right because he's fifth, and
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what's fifth mean? This is myissue and when we started five rings,
I love it. I still lovethe Olympics. It's my favorite thing ever.
It really is. I think anyonewho knows me knows this. But
I think what I grew to appreciatehaving done this show, and having talked
to some Olympians from having done thisshow, is how amazing it is to
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finish Faith fifth is incredible. It'san amazing situation. If you finished Faith
in the Olympics, God bless you, you are amazing human being that I'm
jealous of. So yeah, Andto use the word of another athlete we've
talked about who finished fourth, whichwas James aka Jack Crawford. He uses
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both name in interchangeably if you're wonderingwhy so for Crawford, he was mentioning
after finishing fourth in the men's downhillthat you know, I'm actually disappointed.
This is my best race ever.It's my best finish ever. I'm even
going to get to World Cup pointsout of it, and the rest of
my season in the next couple ofseasons will be better because of it.
On the World Cup standings and inscheme makes a big difference yours start time
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and then where you start, whichmeans you'll start with the conditions are best.
It's helpful. But he was saying, how you know what if you
got to get there results is theOlympics. You want to be at the
podium. So it's all about like, it's so close, but you're right,
but that I can only imagine howScout gal feel. But again,
personal bests fifth in the world ina sport where you're not known to be
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the greatest, and then you lookat the same results or results of the
same magnitude, and some athletes justperform better when the rings banner is there,
and Scott gall is one of them. He was close, just a
just a one miss target maybe awayfrom being on the podium. But you
know, that's that's what it's allabout. But it was a beautiful competition.
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I do like the course. It'sa shame that it's so cold that
the athletes almost get their guns stuckto their gloves, but you know,
it is what it is. IfI was him, if I was Scott.
I would have fifth place just tattooedon my shoulder right there. I
would talk anyone. Why is therea big five tattooed on your forehead?
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Oh? Why you're asking me?Why? Well, there is one time,
sir, I finished fifth at theOlympics and I decided to tattooed on
my face that everyone would know it. Yeah, that might be a bit
much, but okay, maybe themaybe the neck. I guess it's the
it's a new it's a new forehead. Yeah, you go, all right,
fair enough my silver metal, giveyour silver metal before I start talking
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again. I'm getting my silver metalsto the gold medalists of the doubles curling,
which I loved so much. Sowe're going to pronounce their name of
Massona. Is a Massona, theguy who was like seventh photo can throw
a rock as like quicker than Herculeswould both the Italian doubles. They are
the gold medalists. They are perfect, they are incredible, they are such
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a great curling team. I lovethat sport so damn much. I can't
help myself. I'm such a geekwhen it comes to curling. So there
you go. I just wanted towant to make sure that we mentioned them,
and I cannot wait for the Forceto start. But the doubles are
so incredible. TSM, if you'relistening, play more doubles, please show
them. I want to watch morebetween these games. Please. But anyway,
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Yeah, the the Italian doubles goldmedalists who were perfect. Yeah,
so my champions Stefania Constantini and AmosMassaner went undefeated, won every single game
they took part. And that's oneof the things I actually enjoy about mixed
curling is the mixed doubles curling.It's not perfect, and there's a lot
of mistakes, and even in thelast end of that game that we're making
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mistakes on both sides. But withthe talent of Mazzona and the wherewithal of
Stefania and the tactical genius of StefaniaConstantini, she might have played and guided
Massana to the best run in mixeddoubles curling. Ever, this whole process,
they beat the who's who, andwe'll see some of those again.
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But Stefania the Sweden really good too. I know, you know, Dwayne
likes the valve, so she wasreally good. But the best team was
Italy and we'll see those again.I believe Stefania is part of the four
women curling team if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, and what they
think they both involved it. It'samazing, Like it's it's such a fun
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sporting I've talked to lots of peopleon Twitter. If you follow me on
Twitter, you know this. Thatwhat I compare the doubles too is if
you're a cricket fan out there,it's like T twenty versus Test cricket,
right, Like it's not the traditionalversion of the sport, but it's a
version of the sport that might actuallybecome very popular. So enjoy it,
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embrace it. It's an amazing version. And there's shop makers, there's it's
all about the shop making. It'sabout the ability to put the rock down
and do stuff with it. Andthat's the essence of what the sport should
be. Right, It's incredible.I love it and they were amazing teams
throughout this competition. Yes, I'mCanadian. As a Canadian curling fan,
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I'm supposed to only cheerful the Canadiansand I was cheerful. Well that changes
though, and that's maybe that's wherethe sport is it's not just the Canadians
anymore. And when you look atit now, it's been a it's been
a while actually that Canada has beenperforming well in every single curling events.
To look on the woman's side wereactually a bit of a drought, and
that tells you the real the reallevel of go curling. And it's not
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just about the Olympics. You shouldlook at the World Championships and how Canada's
been struggling lately. And the ScottyTournament of Heart just wrapped up a couple
of days ago. And don't askme why, but I know this.
Dwayne Well team Einerson continue to struggleat the World Championships, I think so.
I think that's the one to spitethem themselves in that tournament. And
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it'll be interesting to see where Canadacurling goes from now on. But you
got to step off your pedestal toknow that you're having a problem. And
that was a trouble for a longtime. Is curling in Canada thought that
whatever they were doing was better thaneverybody else and they thought that they could
just do that. Now I thinkthey're gonna have to be a serious thought
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process And how they choose teams,how they build the programs for these teams,
because they need to be battle tested. You can't just put two curlers
together and put them in a competitionwith a gold medal at the end.
To be honest, they finished afourth because they're too talented curlers. But
if you would have put two othercurlers, they could have finished really badly
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in this competition, and that couldhave been a tragedy for curling Canada.
And I think that's maybe the firststep to realizing that curling Canada needs to
act like where it is in theworld, and they're not number one in
the world anymore. I don't necessarilydisagree with anything you decide, but go
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team Jones, go team go Cheatwell exactly. And that's the difference too,
is we're going to see Gushue makeit there for the first time in
whatever. He never won the roleof the ring right the first time.
I think he did a long timeago in Torino. Anyways, it's a
long time ago, but you're right. The two darlings of curling Canada,
Gooshu on one side and Jones onthe other, are there at this time
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around the most likable faces in thesports too, so maybe he will be
different this year. Yeah. Thevery first podcast Kevin and I ever did,
all I did was talking without JenJones. So we're gonna talk about
Jena once again older than me.The only athlete in these holders me,
So go, jan you do thisall right, let's speaking of old athletes.
Here is my last gold medal fortoday. Oh, my only gold
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medal for today. It's a sharedone. Two skaters to finished top of
the podium in the men's fifteen Shellednoush It Thomas Cole. It took out
my best Netherland pronunciation. Thank you, thank you for a vote for this
pronunciation. Shell Doush and Thomas ofcourse the one the grow the brow,
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the gold and the silver medal importantcompetition. This is the king of distances
and I don't like to use thatexpression. So this is the pinnacle of
speed skating for men's in the distancefifteen is the perfect combination of acceleration coming
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out of the games strong. Nowwe're finishing well, which it used to
be different when it used to bejust how you finish, But now because
of the evolution of tactics and justanalytics to realize that now you gotta get
out first. You gotta her first. Turnometers are really important, and so
as your last three hundred meters andthe between two. So the entire fifteen
hundred meters are important. And wesaw new Olympic record being done in this
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race, a new Olympic record forshed Nush who actually has the world record
too. But the world record isso much faster, it's three seconds faster
than the new Olympic record. Theice is very slow at the ice ribbon.
It's what's called a slow ice.It's a bit too dry. It's
slow. It doesn't let you glideas much. And for the speed skating
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the long track as we call,they need more glind to catch the type
of speed that you would need tobreak a world record. There was no
there's not going to be any worldrecord broken on this ice sheet, so
you and act accordingly. Olympic recordsmight fall, and we have a new
one here and tomash Cool finished second. The best in the distances, the
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best in the discipline is the Dutchfinished one two with Korean number three.
The ice is weird there and theseathletes have to figure it out. And
the start of this competition at thelong track event has been the top top
guys have one, but it's beenkind of challenging for them, and a
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lot of folks have not skated timesthat they're rebularly happy. Where you're right
there. I just want to addveterans are doing better on this ice than
rookies because of the experience of adaptingyour stride and your your performance with the
ice, knowing what to do onan ice that's not fast versus younger athletes
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that are usually put in perfect conditionsexactly. So, yeah, it's it's
going to be interesting to watch thiscontinue to go through and look the Canadians
and not have had to have struggledso far to be blunt out than one
medal that've had. So if youwant to be a little bit patriotic about
that, it's it's not been agreat competition so far. But there's still
lots of time to go on thatone. So Kevin, I had originally
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given my gold medal to someone we'vetalked about already, but I'm gonna give
my gold medal to some meals already. Is that Okay, Yeah, you're
gonna change so it won't be aliengood. It's gonna give it be somebody
else, Marie Philippe perfect Pooh,Captain Pooh exactly. I think that we
need to talk about that woman.And that penley shot was amazing, even
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though I don't think it was actuallya penalot but you know, when I
say no to history, this wasthe first ever Canada goal in regulation on
a penalty shot with the women's hockeyteam. It was amazing. And look,
that was a great hockey game andthey're gonna probably get a chance to
play one to each each other onceagain. But it was incredible. And
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the funny thing I was in Hamiltona few weeks ago. If you're listening
to soccer today, you know whereI'm going with us. And I watched
that game where Canada didn't have alot of the ball, didn't do a
lot of attacking, but really wasthe better team throughout. I kind of
left the game felt the same way. It was like fifty two to twelve
or something with the shots, butdidn't feel like that did it. No,
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And the goalie Dibia, you knowwhat her nickname is, They knew
nickname. You know. We werecalled the Great Wall of China. Well
it's called it's called I forgot whereshe's from, but it's I think she's
from somewhere. Let's just say she'sfrom from a small town not too far
from Montreal. But the Great Wallthat name in the small town. So
that's a nickname again or something.Yeah exactly, Well that's what it is,
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actually, the Great Wall s again. So there you go, But
do pull out of I don't know. I just think it starts with S
and there's an a somewhere in there. And uh, not being the most
avid fan and player of a wordle, I just can't come up with the
name so quickly. Uh, they'reall from sin again basically anyway, and
the word all's overrated. It was, it was. I enjoy it.
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It's funny. I need to Ineed a better start word. That's what
I need. I need to finda better start word because sometimes when I
root, I use roots. Rootsmy start work that has four letters out
oh oh, as in like routeyeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's it's like a root, likea like a yeah yeah like yeah yeah,
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and get root because it's like rootslike root sixty six yeah exactly.
Yeah, that's my star ward becauseit's got the tea and it's got the
yeah, and you know right awaythe difference. There's anne, but there's
if there's no either there's an Aor an ie. So it's like the
words in English, get the keysthe first two letters, right, like,
yeah, anyway, it's not thathard. The thing about word is
it's not really about vocabulary. It'sabout it's about deduction. It's about the
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the deducing what the actual word is. On that note, that was that
was fun that we can continue totalk about the poo poo captain poopoo captain
of the Canadian women's hockey team,which is the favorite at this point to
win the gold medal. They areindeed real flip they we're not in the
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men's tide and they won't be.And when the former captain of the Montreal
Canadians of two thousand and twin twelveis in the team, yeah, you're
not winning the gold medal men's butyou know what, it's okay, we'll
poopoo exactly. It depresses me alittle bit that she broke out in twenty
ten, which is twelve years ago. But no, I was talking.
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I was just saying that, wellshe did, but she was very young.
But I was talking about the MontrealCanadians. Their captain in twenty ten
was David and he's one of theplayers of the Canada team on the men's
side. So that's what I wassaying. I was referring that because the
hockey players, the NHL players arenot there, so Canada's not winning the
gold and the players of Canada areprofessionals that are not playing in the NHL.
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So yeah, it's all but notEric, Yeah saying Eric Stall is
there, but Eric Stall is old. Now Eric Stall is retired anyways,
is he? He should be fine. But it's gonna be fine. All
right, Let's as promised, Let'slook at the medal table before we say
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goodbye. And this is according toOlympics dot com. This is the official
Olympic table of the Olympic Games,the way it's supposed to be presented.
Gold medals are what dictated the orderhere. Sweden, with their prowess in
the women's cross country and other sportsof the last few days, they have
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four golds, followed by the Netherlandsbecause of speed skating in their second right
now with three golds. China isthird with three gold medals, Norway fourth
with three gold medals. Also rOC. Yeah you know me, number
five, I'm not gonna I'm gonnaspend the entire part of the Games without
saying the R word. Uh yeah, exactly. And I almost don't want
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to use that dog too, becauseI don't want to insult one of the
best restorers ever, ever, evera step foot into the square circle.
Austria, Slovenia, Germany and Italyare rounding up your top ten with France,
Canada, Japan with all one goldmedal, with Switzerland, Australia,
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Czech Republic and New Zealand for NewZealand. For Australia, that was both
their first gold medal in the WinterOlympic Games. Congratulations to the two countries
of Oceania. Do it really wellin Olympic Games of a season that they
do not have exactly? Who needssnow? Who needs snow? Just give
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me, just give me water?Exactly what God loved New Zealand in Australia
when it coast to the to thewinner Olympics. God bless them, they're
they're doing well. Yeah, yeah, exactly. On that note, we're
gonna take an extended break until tomorrow. Tomorrow's day five, and we'll be
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Good day, good night, Welcometo the Farm Rings Podcast and keV
Larmy joined by Dwayne Robins, aswe break down day four in Beijing twenty
twenty two. February eighth is ourwrapped up, and we'll set up the
table for February ninth at the endof the show, even looking at the
medal standings and the official medal standings, which counts gold medals before of everything
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else, because that's how the worldworks, gold in front of everything else.
But first, Dwayne, how areyou today? Are you telling me
that first is more important than third? Kevin, Well, to the surprise
of many that we're given trophies forevery single spot they finished in every single
sports they've played, first is firstand when your third, you're not first,
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you have not one if you're notfirst. Well, this is funny
because Kevin Simonnial here and I'm thegen xer, so like I really you
were the one that should be sayingthat we have should have the participation.
So I was like what I reslylike, oh, here's your medals?
Like why why do I have amedal because you participate in the tournament.
I was like, that's stupid.What are you doing. I was literally
(01:32):
like, that's not real. That'swhere my illusion and innocence was lost when
I was given a trophy and Iwas like, well, we finished last.
We sucked. We were the worstteam ball team in the history of
this tournament. Here's your trophy.No, you can keep your trophy,
give me good teammates instead. Damnwe're having some some some deep cuts here.
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But anyway, No, yeah,you know that the gold medal is
should be should be what's considered first. So yes, what CBC is telling
you is not true. Canada isnot fifth or fourth or whatever they're telling
this. But here we are knowCanada's eleventh. But speaking of gold medal
or lack thereof, I'm looking atyou USA. I'm looking at you the
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United States of America, which yourlack of gold medals after day four,
still six days of full competition,pretty much four silvers, one bronze for
five total medals. And yeah,that's not great for USA. They're waiting
for their gold. There's been acouple of bad bounces here and there,
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and you can parlay those bad bounceswith a defeat against Canada yesterday in Hockey
Ana. The feeling surrounding these gamesis, well, they're starting a bit
slow for Team USA. They are. It's a bit odd because we're used
to watching the Americans be the topof everything, right, like it's it's
(02:57):
not something that we expect to seefor them to be struggling as much,
but they absolutely have been, andthey've been. They've been struggling in the
competitions that they want to be successfulin the competitions that they have a lot
of attention to we watch. Thereason the schedule is the way it is,
it's because NBC wants to put certainsports on us from times, but
they haven't been doing very well inthose sports. Update which is funny because
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yeah, that's what I was thinkingtoo, is like, oh, yeah,
they're doing great, it's going tobe perfect. Eleven PM and then
Canada just wins. Mary Philip playwith the late goal, although I had
to. It's a tradition on thisshow where I guess I just say congratulations
scoring a clutch goal, which isalways happens. And in that game there
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was a weird things that happened toyou know, that American player who slashed
the referee when I'm wanting it topoor referee. It's going to the side
of like the the benches and she'sbleeding. It's like, yeah, who
said it was easy to be areferee even at the Olympics. Oh no,
wow, that was that was abig too. Like under under you
can see the blade of the ofthe stick hit her right underneath the visor
(04:06):
like literally like a millimeter and youhave like thirty eight cameras in the arena
or something, so yeah, likefive different angles of the blade hit in
your face. It was like almosta bit too much. Yeah, she's
going to have a permanent sort ofYeah, like any proof that you were
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that you were refereeing in the Beijing. Yeah, look at my nose,
you see there's missing a piece.Yeah, it's in Beijing. Um,
I'll tell you what. I playedhockey for like sixteen years. Um,
so I played at I wouldn't saya high level, but I played at
a level, and I refereed atlevels as well. And the only time
I was ever really hurt was refereeing. It's dangerous out there. You can
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hit You get hit by box,you get hit by sticks, you can
hit by everything. Yeah. Youknow, what's what's harder than playing is
trying to be out of the play. It's it's like it's one of the
hardest thing to do. I'm tryingto not being people's way. There's this
right, I'm sad because and look, the players are never happy with you
when you get in their way becauseexactly or out there, if you're too
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much out that you're too far away, you can't see the action. Yeah,
I'll tell you what I The onetime I really got caught very badly
when I played hockey. When Iwas involved in hockey, was refereeing.
Dropped the pots that came up boom. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably like
it happened so many times, Ithink in the faith out. Oh good
(05:30):
for her for continuing on. Yeah, but this was a good day of
action. There's a couple of storylinesthat came out of this day. We're
going to talk about it. AndI kept my big storylines for a couple
of my medals. I do havesome side conversation pieces with my medals today.
It's going to be fun when weget there. But let's start in
dayne. Yesterday we started with you, they too did with me. We'll
start with me today on day four, and I want to start with my
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wood metal that encompasses a few things. It's been four full days of competition,
so it's not just a small samplesize. There's been a few articles
written about it. The most famousone is on the BBC Right Now BBC
website, Bbcworldnews dot com, andit's about the treatments of athletes, especially
the ones in isolation, the oneI have to quarantine. A certain aspect
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of these Olympics are different than whatathletes are used to. Poor food choices
and exams. One example that isnot fully corroborated, but there's been a
few instances and the one case ofthe roc athlete that has been given the
same food four times a day orthree times a day, four days in
(06:40):
a row. That hasn't been corroboratedthat version, but there's been another version
that has been made public and hasbeen verified, where same food choices and
the treatments for when you're quarantine versusthe treatment when you're not are not the
same, and you can't even maintainyour level of fitness you don't. They
are not given the right infrastructures.The athletes are not treated the same just
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because of where they're from. Also, some bigger part of the world that
have a bigger Olympic committee will betreating a certain way, and if you're
not from them and you get quarantine, you're treating another way. Also,
if we're looking at decision making processfor cross country skiing, it was extremely
cold where they held the skiing venues, and according to International Skiing Federation laws,
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if it's under minus twenty you're notsupposed to take part. You're not
supposed to have your competition. It'ssupposed to be delayed until the weather permits
it. While there's kind of likea loop all where the Beijing organizers organizers,
well, well that's that's without winschill. So even if it's minus thirty
one with windschill, you can stillgo out and ski, which all led
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us to see the one of thebiggest fashioned faux pause in the Olympics this
year, which is a lot ofcross country skiers paying homage to the Ultimate
Wire and wearing a mask in theirface that looks a lot like an eighties
wrestling painting job. Yeah, thatwas very cold for them. But there's
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a lot of little things like thispulled together that shown that the athletes are
not treated to what we would callOlympic standards. Yeah, that's unfortunate.
I mean, I don't know whatmore to say, but other than the
fact that they shouldn't be doing that. But this is the thing that the
Olympics have done for a long timeis it's it's about the TV. It's
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about making sure you put the showon, but not necessarily about putting the
best competition forward in And certainly wewere seeing a bit of that right now.
That food photo that went out islike I wouldn't I wouldn't eat that,
Kevin. That food photo went outcollaborated, as you said, but
yeah, and d BBC is verycareful, but they did publish it in
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their article saying, look, thisis from the official account of that athlete.
We just can't firm that that pictureis what it says it is.
But it was a very dismal picturethat even in hospitals was considered bad places
to get food, would serve it. It's like a handful of pastas with
some red sauce and next to itburnt potatoes, charred meat on a stick,
and a couple other questionable food items. And knowing multiple people who are
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working at the Games right now indifferent many positions because of the different works
I do for a living, Ido know that some of the test events
and a few months ago when theywere testing stuff, the way that some
of the food, the way ofa few things that were given to employees
and stuff was really questioning, andthey prepared accordingly, bringing their own food
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provisions with them for the month ofthe Olympics, which was a really good
idea the athletes and stuff like.I think it goes deeper, and as
much as people think it's cool tohave a robot serving you, it's not
necessarily efficient and there's a whole lotof things that we don't see that some
of the athletes, especially once youtest positive or once you're you're on the
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outs or against there, or ifyou feel there against you, it's not
the same treatment. Then that isa bit unfortunate. Then you know,
it doesn't matter from Canaday, fromCameroon or wherever you're from. You should
get the same treatment regardless of thepolitical views of your country when you get
to the Olympic Games. And Iwant to add one thing to this medal,
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and we'll talk about this issue moreor later on, but the whole
Pengshuai situation that happened in Beijing yesterday, she was brought in by the International
Olympic Committee. She did a biginterview with Lee Kip peng Shui, Chinese
tennis player, one of the bestin the world, who last November went
public saying she was sexually arrassed andassaulted by an official of the Chinese government.
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Since then, there's been a wholelot of First of all, a
lot of worry from the WUTA becauseshe was she was missing, she did
not show up to some commitment,that she was not entering calls, and
that was a big concern for theentire world. And this was her first
public outing on one event yesterday,which was the bigger with Island Gou one.
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We'll talk about it later, butall this together it was to be
expected. But also the propaganda opportunitiesthat have been seen from the International Olympic
Committee with China so far have leftme also a bit cold, because it's
it looks to me, like they'relike, look, you guys know we're
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gonna try this, so we're notgonna be really over. We're not going
to do as much as you guyswould think. But just once in a
while during these games will be like, you know, here, we're good
people, We're good, a goodregime. Look, nothing happened with Petua.
She she's okay. I think they'regreat. It just feels a bit
well because it is, but it'sall very much a bit orchestrated. Uh
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yeah, Like I mean, firstoff, I believe women, So that's
just say that up front. Whenit comes to her situation, it's unfortunate.
It's not even the right way toput it. But when it comes
to China and it when it comesto orchestrating things, it is what it
is. At this point, youjust gotta have a critical eye when you
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look at all of it, right, And it's unfortunate, But yeah,
it's here, we are. Imean, we're talking about this still,
and this is an unfortunate situation basedon the fact that the games are in
a place that it is. AndI think it's I feel for the Chinese
people because they want their games tobe successful. They want their country to
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be viewed in a certain way,but their government is what it is,
and I don't know more to sayabout that. I'm not even sure I'm
saying this in a great articulate wayright now either, But it's just kind
of sad anyway. That's all Igot to say about that. So that's
my Wood medal for a day forthe overall athlete treatments when it comes to
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all these situations. And we'll continueto talk about the Pengshuay situation also because
the big story in Lee Keep andLee Keep was very open in how they
were treated for this. They weresaying that we weren't censored, but the
answer she was given were also yes, arranged, the questions were given.
They also were given free range toask new questions that they were given double
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the time that first allowed it.But there was also some conditions and never
in their own words, they stillcouldn't answer the question. As it is
Peng Shuai saying the words she wantedto say, they couldn't. They couldn't
know, and that's also part ofthis story. Yeah, I'm sure that
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they've dealt with that situation however theywanted to deal with it. But it's
not in any way that makes themlook poor. I mean, but it
does because we all see it,right anyway, it's it is they think
it doesn't look because look, nosee, no problem. We gave free
rein for an interview with Ping Shua. We did nothing wrong. Everything's great,
yes, but it's the yes.But anyways, that's my wood metal
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for today. Yeah, yeah,and here we are. And look,
China does a lot of good stuff, but they also do a lot of
really bad stuff. So here youmy wood metal. Kevin is gonna be
a little less serious if that's okay, but in fact it's gonna be a
little weird, a little ironic even. I'm gonna give my wood metal to
the Swedish women's hockey team, whojust won a minute ago as we're recording
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right now. They actually have advancedto the quarter finals. But this is
Sweden and this is hockey, andit took them every effort that they had
to get through. And I wantto ask a question of why the women's
hockey team in Sweden is so bad? Why are you not supporting your women's
team this much? Politically speaking,it would be interesting to answer that question.
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Where where is Sweden leaning towards theinclusion of women's sports in the investment
and funding of such sports versus andthis is a country cabin that we generally
think of as being progressive. Soyeah, that changed about four years ago.
Yeah, it's a very confusing situation. And they they fell out of
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Group A of the Women's World HockeyChampionship. Sweden is in Group B.
Sweden is in Group B of theWomen's World Hockey Championships. And when it
comes to the women they're playing likewith the Hungarys and that of the world,
which you don't all respect the Hungaryin that, but they don't have
a hockey program normally, right.You know when they won three to one
against Denmark, and Denmark it waswell it was two one at the end
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of the game. It could havebeen two too. They could have tied
it up. They got a penaltyhere and there, but a different balance
of the puck on the boards,and you know, Denmark could have got
the equalizer. You're right, Swedenmight be top of these games because of
the amount of the cross country skiingmedals they got and they're going to continue
to get. But in the honeyside, you're right, there are very
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disappointing so far on the women's side. Yeah, and we'll see what they
in the mensta But it's like itdoesn't really matter about that, because what
I want to ask the question iswhat I just did, is like,
why aren't they supporting this a programthat finished second they got the silver medal?
What was that three Olympics ago,and they haven't done anything. The
fact they've gone backwards since they arenot a program that you look at in
any way whatsoever is moving forward.We need other women's programs other than the
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big two. In that game,and we're gonna talk more about that game
in a minute. That game lastnight between the US and Canada was amazing.
It's the best hockey game I've seenit this year. Yeah, it
was. It was a good game. It was a very fast based game
too, exactly. But the restof the world, well, the big
countries in the rest of the world, because you know what, God blessed
them or God blessed Japan, China, those countries from the Yeah, they're
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trying and you can tell there's givingthe effort and they're progressing. Well,
no, that's a great, greatchoice for you women better. Yeah,
Well, and you know, andI'll due respect to the it's in Sweden
that are doing what they can,but it's the federation that I'm giving my
wood medal to. Today we'll playCanada, I believe, in the quarterfinals.
So here you go. Well,that's gonna be fun for them.
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I'm sure. I'm sure that's whatthey got. That's what the teams,
that's what the players are gonna sayduring the game. Yeah, this is
fun. I'm sure that's what theyI'm sure the goalkeeper for Sweden is gonna
say, wow, this is funswhat the number is? Take the over,
Take the over all. Right,let's move to my poutine medal for
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this day. And and I haven'ttold each other our medal, so maybe
we don't have the same one.Hopefully. My poutine medal is to a
seventeen year old way seventeen year oldOlivia Aslin. She's got an eighth place
in the world, which is prettyinsane in big air. She's seventeen years
old and she finished eighth at thebig air competition first time. This competition
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is in the Olympics, and sheis surprisingly one of the bronze in the
X Games in twenty twenty two tookplace an Aspen a few weeks ago,
and she is showing a great growthand for a seventeen year old to position
herself as one of the top ten, one of the best in the world
in her discipline is amazing. She'sgoing to continue to grow. In four
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years time in Milano Cortina dan Pezzo, she will be one of the athletes
to keep an eye on for thepodium. She's showing a grace, a
maturity that is rare, and atseventeen years old, she still says that
her specialty is more soap style.Recently her results would say that her biggest
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potential might be the big gear.It's a great story, very young,
still a name to remember. Oliviaessay, I love that competition so much.
We're gonna talk about it more later, so we'll leave it at that.
It's a good, good puccine Matala. She enjoys her Friesen Bravy because
I I hope she actually has apoutine because she should be good. She
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deserves him. Yeah, And speakingof people that deserve a poutine, I'm
gonna give my poutine medal today toScott gall who finished fifth in the twenty
k biathlon and fifth place is nojoke, so much so that we'll talk
about him later too. There yougo, exactly, that's it's an incredible
performance in a sport that Canada isnot really known for. And so far
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on these Games now we have twoevents that Canada is not really known for
that they've had incredible results in JamesCrawford or Jack Crawford, depending on how
you want to call him, finishedfourth in the men's downhill, which is
one of the events that Drain's preferringto, which was the best result since
Edboski and the Olympics in the men'sdownhill, which is a long time ago.
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Dwain could talk to you about itand Steve exactly so long ago that
I misnamed him exactly Steve who's fromDominolls, Ontario, which it always goes
on my mind. There was asa woman from um from Scotland that finished
this in the in the big airtoo, so that that blew my mind.
How how someone from Scotland is aworld class athlete. Well, big
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air is good because it's it's onthe hill, so you don't necessarily need
something beg straight down absolutely insane andjump off and flip around. We're like,
you know this jump that you don'tsee the landing, Yeah, jump
off of it. Trust me,I'll be fine. Like what huh you
want me to go where? No? Thanks. I love these people,
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they are amazing. They entertain megreatly, but they are not They're nuts.
They're nuts, They're not well andnot at all all right, that
is a green putiniddle. We'll comeback and talk about Scott Gao and I'll
go with my bronz. I'm notgoing to spend too much time on my
bronze because I have a feeling you'regoing to talk about that athlete too.
But the reason why I put itto bronze is because it would have been
my gold, but because of thePengshua situation that happened in that event,
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I have to bump it down twice. So I'm talking about Eileen Coop,
who was born in the u Saybut representing China. She won gold medal
in the bigger competition that we justtalked about. But during the competition,
Peng Shuai was shown to the crowd. Pengshuai had this moment and she was
seen in the IOC took a lotof pictures of pengshua assisting while attending this
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victory and cheering on the Chinese HilanGou. This whole thing, the whole
thing of the political aspect of thefact that he really do mention that she
was born in the USA and choseto represent China. They're really hitting the
nail on the head there. Theywant to make sure you knew that she
chose China over USA, and thewhole Peng Shuai situation bumped it down from
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gold to bronze for me. Butthe jump itself is worthy of a gold
medal on any day. Yeah,I am going to have her a little
bit higher, in fact, ashigh as I can put her. Awesome
right now, that's just saying thatI have hersed my gold and I will
all the reason I did is becauseI performed performance was amazing and it was
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and her smile is it lights upher room like she's an incredible athlete,
right and we can't get inside herhead and decide why she's chosen to represent
this regime which I have issues with. I think Kevin, you have issues
with. I don't want to speakfor you, but you can tell me
if I'm wrong, but she didand she performed at the highest level.
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So absolutely that that entire competition,the Big Air was amazing. All of
those athletes, the French athlete,the Scottish girl. I just talked about
all them. So the French athlete, her name is Tess Lead. Do
you know what that means? Leadermeans the two basically as in the thh
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and to the number two. Andshe finished second. Yeah, that was
very funny that L two finished finishedsecond. Yeah, fair enough. She
was incredible, like she's They're allamazing. That entire sport is incredible.
It was such fun of that.And we have like much more. We
have this the snowboard version of it, we have another, the male version
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of that. It's I'm looking forwardto all of it. It's incredible to
watch. But they all are nutsand they all are amazing, and I
love them all. But but yeah, Alain Goo is my gold medal,
I'll tell you now. But she'syour bronze for the reason you said,
and we should say that, andwe can only ask her why she chose
to well, and you know,for her reason might be pure and valid,
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right if she feels that it's tohonor her parents. And her mother,
and yeah, who are we tosay anything like that. Hopefully that's
what it is for sure, andeven if it's not, it's it's her
own decision. But to me,it's more how they're making sure that anytime
an official Chinese government or IOC istalking about her, that they don't just
say the Chinese athlete, they saythe American born Chinese athlete, which hits
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it over really make it puts theemphasis on she decided that, and it
as a political component, you canjust say the Chinese athlete, which would
be Acrod also no one, Andlook, I have trouble with that aspect.
The it takes more than anything else, the nationalism aspect to it,
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and I have trouble with it becauseI also feed into it, right I
don't. I may not have everseen some whatever athlete from wherever before,
but if he has, that madePulley found or I'm going to cheer for
him, and that's nationalism. AndI appreciate that it plays into that,
but sometimes it's not attractive, right, it's not not great. But what
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I will say is that she's anincredible athlete and what she did was inspirational
that I saw her do on thefield on the slope. So that's that's
what I'm going to focus on.So we did two woods, two poutine,
one bronze. We've got one bronzeas two silvers and two golds to
go. Let's take a short break. When we come back, we'll talk
about Dwayne's bronze medal for day fourand we'll give you the most important medals
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of the day, which is asilver and gold. After this short break
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and we're back on the Fabrics podcast. I'm Kevi Lamy joined by Dwayne Rowlands.
As always, Dwayne, your bronzemedal for day four. We've been
bashing the Americans a little bit today, so I'm gonna give them a bronze
medal. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, go ahead, and absolutely
that's that's what they have the mostactually, yeah. So Nathan Chan he
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hasn't got his medal yet. Heprobably well break their little problem they have
there with within the men's figure skating. He broke a world record yesterday in
the short program. You know,look it figure skating, I think is
sough's having a moment right now.It's trying to figure out where it exists.
It's in the bottom of the popularitywave. Let's be honest, it's
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in the it's in a down cycle. Yeah, And I don't know what
the answer is, and it's aIt's an interesting conversation to have, and
I I very much respect what figureskating is, but I also cannot argue
with you. First stop, Nathanjen broke a role record, great performance,
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that's what we want to say.He's my bronze metalist. But I
can't get into this competition, Kevin, I really can't. It's on my
third TV. It's on my bigTV actually from Maine, CBC, but
it's on mute, and the figureskating on mute is basically just people skating
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music, you know. But Iget it. No, i'd to say,
if I respect the talent and thegrace and the fact that I can
never do any of the move thatthey do, does it mean that I
want to watch them? No?But, like you're going to probably say,
I know, my parents love towatch it. Oh God, my
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mom loves to watch it. Mymom makes me message her every day during
the Olympics to tell her when theskating's on. The skating and the diving.
That's my mom. God, blessyou. And there's a lot of
your mom. There's only one ofher good but meaning there's a lot of
similar mentality which they would love towatch it. They watch it religiously every
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four years. But it's interesting tome to see the continuously elation of that
sport versus the young generation and howto draw them in to this competition.
I don't know anyone. I mean, I'm not young anymore, but I
don't really know anyone that participates insweet skating anymore. Like it's just not
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sort of if you're skating anymore,said speed skating. But it's just interesting.
When I was growing off, itwas common for people to encountered anyway
to participate. I just don't seeit in the same way anyway. I
guess it's been more niche. Maybeit's been more niche. It's also maybe
a demographic that you don't but maybethey don't have access. But I also
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think that it's it could be abit more niche than it was. And
it's also it depends big cities,it's a bit less popular. You go
outside and we're talking about this softwaretogether the other day, is you do
have an aspect of it where insmaller towns, it'll be very popular,
and I equivalate to another sport likecheerleading or something similar that even in school,
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you you you might never see orhave a friend that does it,
but there's a lot of people thatdoes sport. I remember in high school
there was a couple of horror andmore. In the elementary school, there
was a couple of girls in ourschool that were figure skaters two and we
all knew who they were, andthey were kind of like stars for that
because they could do like they couldtwist on the ice. So every time
we were going to hockey practice orskating practice and they were there, can
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you can you twist for us?But you're right, maybe it's not something
that is as prevalent, or ifit is, it's a bit more niche
in society. Yeah. Yeah,look, I mean it is niche.
I think I want to say this. I do very much respect the talent
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that they bring. What they dois incredible ice skate. I'm I'm a
good skater. I played hockey butthe whole life. I would estimate that
I am amongst the top five percentof skaters in the world, which doesn't
say much because I live in Canada. Which means I'm, you know,
the top fifty percent of skaters inthis country. But they're incredible what they
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do. But it's just not it'sa sport that needs to figure itself out.
And it's a sport that started tolose its way in the nineties,
like it used to be the topof the entire Winter Olympics. It was
the ones you're Olympics in the nineties, like it was, and for a
lot of reasons that were their ownfaults. Yeah, well, the corruption,
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corruption doesn't help. I think alsothe pointing system and the way it's
not as instinctual right now, forthe Lehman makes a big different where you
have to follow the yellow box,green box and xs instead of just seeing
a ten or not seeing a ten. Right, that made a big difference
in the whole. But it's morefair now. But yeah, something to
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ponder and to think about and maybea bit later. And why we don't
feel the same way about figure skating. Yeah, well it's funny because the
point system. Yeah, I agree, the way they do it now is
not that engaging, like oh no, you didn't get the element. Oh
yeah, it got the element,which is great because you're taking the subjectivity
out of it. But it's aboutartistic it's about movement, about grace and
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grace and all these things are subjectivesexactly. Yeah. Well, yeah,
the reason we're here is because becausepeople were given money or opportunities and because
they were like, Okay, wellyou give me money, I'll give you
a ten. There's a great Netflixthere's a great documentary about the two thousand
and two figures getting competition the Doubles. Yeah, Jamie Solle and Paula.
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Yeah, watch it. That's allit's called. The whole series called Bad
Sport is a mailing. It's amazing. That episode is really good. The
one on the Arizona State sun Devilsscandals in the yearly nineties about Point Chamming
is also very fascinating. Yeah.Yeah, it's a great show. I've
watched it twice. I like,dude, I want to watch it again.
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It's just amazing. But though you'reright, yeah, you just wish
you were Yeah, you had whatyou knew, which I was alive in
nineties and I was like, whatbut put the money on Arizona State.
All right, I'm gonna do that. College basketball, you gotta love it.
College basketball, it's the time topay attention, by the wayner right
now, yeah, month, it'sfine, no, non have a show
if you want, well, Ido so you'll find that later today on
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Betting on Sports podcast. Alright,my silver for let's go through this.
We've been talking too much already withthirty five minutes and already we haven't even
gone to the good part. We'llgo quickly because you mentioned it already.
My silver medal is Ska Gao whofinished fifth. Rarely in middle is rarely
do I have one of my medals, not being an actual medal, but
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Ska Gaal of Canada finished fifth inthe biathlon in the twenty kilometer of biathlon
and I was looking at his trackrecord, this is one of his best
performances ever. He finished fourteenth inPyeongchang in the same discipline the twenty kilometers
individual. He finished sixty first inthe sprinth and eleventh with a relay in
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twenty eighteen. If we just lookat a World Cup level in the World
Championships, fortieth eightieth, twenty sixth, forty third, eighteenth, sixty third,
thirty first are all results that hehad over the last six seventh World
Championships and he finished fifth at theOlympics. So oh out performing your personal
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best on the biggest stage, representingCanada, doing one of the best performances
ever for Canada in the men's individualbiathlon twenty kilometers and doing so which a
very good result with quite honestly oneof the best result in biathlon ever.
I thought was really fascinating. Andto me, I do like that competition
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too. I like the fan theFrench guy who won, kind of I
don't have any in the medal,so I can talk about him. Conte
Fio Mayer who won gold medal.He had a great story with his father
and grandfather and he told them thathe wanted to win for them and to
all them know who you win foryou and for us too, but you
win for you. And he cameout and he actually did a performance that
was really surprising, and this Frenchmanwon a lot of people's affection with how
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he was celebrating on the podium too. Is beautiful to see. But the
Canadian Scott gal fifth, he ismy silver medal for today. Look,
I mean I put him on myputain. It's going to be one of
the most incredible performances by Canadian athletesin the entire Olympics. But it's not
gonna appear on the little CBC graphicever, right because he's fifth, and
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what's fifth mean? This is myissue and when we started five rings,
I love it. I still lovethe Olympics. It's my favorite thing ever.
It really is. I think anyonewho knows me knows this. But
I think what I grew to appreciatehaving done this show, and having talked
to some Olympians from having done thisshow, is how amazing it is to
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finish Faith fifth is incredible. It'san amazing situation. If you finished Faith
in the Olympics, God bless you, you are amazing human being that I'm
jealous of. So yeah, Andto use the word of another athlete we've
talked about who finished fourth, whichwas James aka Jack Crawford. He uses
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both name in interchangeably if you're wonderingwhy so for Crawford, he was mentioning
after finishing fourth in the men's downhillthat you know, I'm actually disappointed.
This is my best race ever.It's my best finish ever. I'm even
going to get to World Cup pointsout of it, and the rest of
my season in the next couple ofseasons will be better because of it.
On the World Cup standings and inscheme makes a big difference yours start time
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and then where you start, whichmeans you'll start with the conditions are best.
It's helpful. But he was saying, how you know what if you
got to get there results is theOlympics. You want to be at the
podium. So it's all about like, it's so close, but you're right,
but that I can only imagine howScout gal feel. But again,
personal bests fifth in the world ina sport where you're not known to be
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the greatest, and then you lookat the same results or results of the
same magnitude, and some athletes justperform better when the rings banner is there,
and Scott gall is one of them. He was close, just a
just a one miss target maybe awayfrom being on the podium. But you
know, that's that's what it's allabout. But it was a beautiful competition.
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I do like the course. It'sa shame that it's so cold that
the athletes almost get their guns stuckto their gloves, but you know,
it is what it is. IfI was him, if I was Scott.
I would have fifth place just tattooedon my shoulder right there. I
would talk anyone. Why is therea big five tattooed on your forehead?
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Oh? Why you're asking me?Why? Well, there is one time,
sir, I finished fifth at theOlympics and I decided to tattooed on
my face that everyone would know it. Yeah, that might be a bit
much, but okay, maybe themaybe the neck. I guess it's the
it's a new it's a new forehead. Yeah, you go, all right,
fair enough my silver metal, giveyour silver metal before I start talking
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again. I'm getting my silver metalsto the gold medalists of the doubles curling,
which I loved so much. Sowe're going to pronounce their name of
Massona. Is a Massona, theguy who was like seventh photo can throw
a rock as like quicker than Herculeswould both the Italian doubles. They are
the gold medalists. They are perfect, they are incredible, they are such
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a great curling team. I lovethat sport so damn much. I can't
help myself. I'm such a geekwhen it comes to curling. So there
you go. I just wanted towant to make sure that we mentioned them,
and I cannot wait for the Forceto start. But the doubles are
so incredible. TSM, if you'relistening, play more doubles, please show
them. I want to watch morebetween these games. Please. But anyway,
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Yeah, the the Italian doubles goldmedalists who were perfect. Yeah,
so my champions Stefania Constantini and AmosMassaner went undefeated, won every single game
they took part. And that's oneof the things I actually enjoy about mixed
curling is the mixed doubles curling.It's not perfect, and there's a lot
of mistakes, and even in thelast end of that game that we're making
(38:07):
mistakes on both sides. But withthe talent of Mazzona and the wherewithal of
Stefania and the tactical genius of StefaniaConstantini, she might have played and guided
Massana to the best run in mixeddoubles curling. Ever, this whole process,
they beat the who's who, andwe'll see some of those again.
(38:30):
But Stefania the Sweden really good too. I know, you know, Dwayne
likes the valve, so she wasreally good. But the best team was
Italy and we'll see those again.I believe Stefania is part of the four
women curling team if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, and what they
think they both involved it. It'samazing, Like it's it's such a fun
(38:51):
sporting I've talked to lots of peopleon Twitter. If you follow me on
Twitter, you know this. Thatwhat I compare the doubles too is if
you're a cricket fan out there,it's like T twenty versus Test cricket,
right, Like it's not the traditionalversion of the sport, but it's a
version of the sport that might actuallybecome very popular. So enjoy it,
(39:16):
embrace it. It's an amazing version. And there's shop makers, there's it's
all about the shop making. It'sabout the ability to put the rock down
and do stuff with it. Andthat's the essence of what the sport should
be. Right, It's incredible.I love it and they were amazing teams
throughout this competition. Yes, I'mCanadian. As a Canadian curling fan,
(39:37):
I'm supposed to only cheerful the Canadiansand I was cheerful. Well that changes
though, and that's maybe that's wherethe sport is it's not just the Canadians
anymore. And when you look atit now, it's been a it's been
a while actually that Canada has beenperforming well in every single curling events.
To look on the woman's side wereactually a bit of a drought, and
that tells you the real the reallevel of go curling. And it's not
(40:00):
just about the Olympics. You shouldlook at the World Championships and how Canada's
been struggling lately. And the ScottyTournament of Heart just wrapped up a couple
of days ago. And don't askme why, but I know this.
Dwayne Well team Einerson continue to struggleat the World Championships, I think so.
I think that's the one to spitethem themselves in that tournament. And
(40:22):
it'll be interesting to see where Canadacurling goes from now on. But you
got to step off your pedestal toknow that you're having a problem. And
that was a trouble for a longtime. Is curling in Canada thought that
whatever they were doing was better thaneverybody else and they thought that they could
just do that. Now I thinkthey're gonna have to be a serious thought
(40:43):
process And how they choose teams,how they build the programs for these teams,
because they need to be battle tested. You can't just put two curlers
together and put them in a competitionwith a gold medal at the end.
To be honest, they finished afourth because they're too talented curlers. But
if you would have put two othercurlers, they could have finished really badly
(41:05):
in this competition, and that couldhave been a tragedy for curling Canada.
And I think that's maybe the firststep to realizing that curling Canada needs to
act like where it is in theworld, and they're not number one in
the world anymore. I don't necessarilydisagree with anything you decide, but go
(41:27):
team Jones, go team go Cheatwell exactly. And that's the difference too,
is we're going to see Gushue makeit there for the first time in
whatever. He never won the roleof the ring right the first time.
I think he did a long timeago in Torino. Anyways, it's a
long time ago, but you're right. The two darlings of curling Canada,
Gooshu on one side and Jones onthe other, are there at this time
(41:49):
around the most likable faces in thesports too, so maybe he will be
different this year. Yeah. Thevery first podcast Kevin and I ever did,
all I did was talking without JenJones. So we're gonna talk about
Jena once again older than me.The only athlete in these holders me,
So go, jan you do thisall right, let's speaking of old athletes.
Here is my last gold medal fortoday. Oh, my only gold
(42:13):
medal for today. It's a sharedone. Two skaters to finished top of
the podium in the men's fifteen Shellednoush It Thomas Cole. It took out
my best Netherland pronunciation. Thank you, thank you for a vote for this
pronunciation. Shell Doush and Thomas ofcourse the one the grow the brow,
(42:36):
the gold and the silver medal importantcompetition. This is the king of distances
and I don't like to use thatexpression. So this is the pinnacle of
speed skating for men's in the distancefifteen is the perfect combination of acceleration coming
(42:57):
out of the games strong. Nowwe're finishing well, which it used to
be different when it used to bejust how you finish, But now because
of the evolution of tactics and justanalytics to realize that now you gotta get
out first. You gotta her first. Turnometers are really important, and so
as your last three hundred meters andthe between two. So the entire fifteen
hundred meters are important. And wesaw new Olympic record being done in this
(43:22):
race, a new Olympic record forshed Nush who actually has the world record
too. But the world record isso much faster, it's three seconds faster
than the new Olympic record. Theice is very slow at the ice ribbon.
It's what's called a slow ice.It's a bit too dry. It's
slow. It doesn't let you glideas much. And for the speed skating
(43:46):
the long track as we call,they need more glind to catch the type
of speed that you would need tobreak a world record. There was no
there's not going to be any worldrecord broken on this ice sheet, so
you and act accordingly. Olympic recordsmight fall, and we have a new
one here and tomash Cool finished second. The best in the distances, the
(44:08):
best in the discipline is the Dutchfinished one two with Korean number three.
The ice is weird there and theseathletes have to figure it out. And
the start of this competition at thelong track event has been the top top
guys have one, but it's beenkind of challenging for them, and a
(44:30):
lot of folks have not skated timesthat they're rebularly happy. Where you're right
there. I just want to addveterans are doing better on this ice than
rookies because of the experience of adaptingyour stride and your your performance with the
ice, knowing what to do onan ice that's not fast versus younger athletes
(44:51):
that are usually put in perfect conditionsexactly. So, yeah, it's it's
going to be interesting to watch thiscontinue to go through and look the Canadians
and not have had to have struggledso far to be blunt out than one
medal that've had. So if youwant to be a little bit patriotic about
that, it's it's not been agreat competition so far. But there's still
lots of time to go on thatone. So Kevin, I had originally
(45:15):
given my gold medal to someone we'vetalked about already, but I'm gonna give
my gold medal to some meals already. Is that Okay, Yeah, you're
gonna change so it won't be aliengood. It's gonna give it be somebody
else, Marie Philippe perfect Pooh,Captain Pooh exactly. I think that we
need to talk about that woman.And that penley shot was amazing, even
(45:37):
though I don't think it was actuallya penalot but you know, when I
say no to history, this wasthe first ever Canada goal in regulation on
a penalty shot with the women's hockeyteam. It was amazing. And look,
that was a great hockey game andthey're gonna probably get a chance to
play one to each each other onceagain. But it was incredible. And
(45:59):
the funny thing I was in Hamiltona few weeks ago. If you're listening
to soccer today, you know whereI'm going with us. And I watched
that game where Canada didn't have alot of the ball, didn't do a
lot of attacking, but really wasthe better team throughout. I kind of
left the game felt the same way. It was like fifty two to twelve
or something with the shots, butdidn't feel like that did it. No,
(46:21):
And the goalie Dibia, you knowwhat her nickname is, They knew
nickname. You know. We werecalled the Great Wall of China. Well
it's called it's called I forgot whereshe's from, but it's I think she's
from somewhere. Let's just say she'sfrom from a small town not too far
from Montreal. But the Great Wallthat name in the small town. So
that's a nickname again or something.Yeah exactly, Well that's what it is,
(46:42):
actually, the Great Wall s again. So there you go, But
do pull out of I don't know. I just think it starts with S
and there's an a somewhere in there. And uh, not being the most
avid fan and player of a wordle, I just can't come up with the
name so quickly. Uh, they'reall from sin again basically anyway, and
the word all's overrated. It was, it was. I enjoy it.
(47:06):
It's funny. I need to Ineed a better start word. That's what
I need. I need to finda better start word because sometimes when I
root, I use roots. Rootsmy start work that has four letters out
oh oh, as in like routeyeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's it's like a root, likea like a yeah yeah like yeah yeah,
(47:27):
and get root because it's like rootslike root sixty six yeah exactly.
Yeah, that's my star ward becauseit's got the tea and it's got the
yeah, and you know right awaythe difference. There's anne, but there's
if there's no either there's an Aor an ie. So it's like the
words in English, get the keysthe first two letters, right, like,
yeah, anyway, it's not thathard. The thing about word is
it's not really about vocabulary. It'sabout it's about deduction. It's about the
(47:52):
the deducing what the actual word is. On that note, that was that
was fun that we can continue totalk about the poo poo captain poopoo captain
of the Canadian women's hockey team,which is the favorite at this point to
win the gold medal. They areindeed real flip they we're not in the
(48:13):
men's tide and they won't be.And when the former captain of the Montreal
Canadians of two thousand and twin twelveis in the team, yeah, you're
not winning the gold medal men's butyou know what, it's okay, we'll
poopoo exactly. It depresses me alittle bit that she broke out in twenty
ten, which is twelve years ago. But no, I was talking.
(48:35):
I was just saying that, wellshe did, but she was very young.
But I was talking about the MontrealCanadians. Their captain in twenty ten
was David and he's one of theplayers of the Canada team on the men's
side. So that's what I wassaying. I was referring that because the
hockey players, the NHL players arenot there, so Canada's not winning the
gold and the players of Canada areprofessionals that are not playing in the NHL.
(48:58):
So yeah, it's all but notEric, Yeah saying Eric Stall is
there, but Eric Stall is old. Now Eric Stall is retired anyways,
is he? He should be fine. But it's gonna be fine. All
right, Let's as promised, Let'slook at the medal table before we say
(49:19):
goodbye. And this is according toOlympics dot com. This is the official
Olympic table of the Olympic Games,the way it's supposed to be presented.
Gold medals are what dictated the orderhere. Sweden, with their prowess in
the women's cross country and other sportsof the last few days, they have
(49:40):
four golds, followed by the Netherlandsbecause of speed skating in their second right
now with three golds. China isthird with three gold medals, Norway fourth
with three gold medals. Also rOC. Yeah you know me, number
five, I'm not gonna I'm gonnaspend the entire part of the Games without
saying the R word. Uh yeah, exactly. And I almost don't want
(50:07):
to use that dog too, becauseI don't want to insult one of the
best restorers ever, ever, evera step foot into the square circle.
Austria, Slovenia, Germany and Italyare rounding up your top ten with France,
Canada, Japan with all one goldmedal, with Switzerland, Australia,
(50:30):
Czech Republic and New Zealand for NewZealand. For Australia, that was both
their first gold medal in the WinterOlympic Games. Congratulations to the two countries
of Oceania. Do it really wellin Olympic Games of a season that they
do not have exactly? Who needssnow? Who needs snow? Just give
(50:54):
me, just give me water?Exactly what God loved New Zealand in Australia
when it coast to the to thewinner Olympics. God bless them, they're
they're doing well. Yeah, yeah, exactly. On that note, we're
gonna take an extended break until tomorrow. Tomorrow's day five, and we'll be
(51:14):
back to breakdown our favorite moment ofDay five. Until then, you can
follow us on Twitter at five minspodcast for this show at twenty fourth minute
for Dwayne at keV Laramie for myself. Podcast version available everywhere you find your
favorite podcasts, also at Sports PodcastingNetwork dot com, and you can find
an audio replay on our YouTube pageYouTube dot com Slash Sports Podcasting Network.
(51:40):
As always, until tomorrow for theWayne, I'm Kevin, Enjoy your Beijing
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