December 10, 2024 • 43 mins
Dan and Johnny discussed Johnny's journey into real estate investment, his experiences as a college student and entrepreneur, and the importance of learning sales and entrepreneurship skills. They also shared their future plans, personal and professional goals for the next 10 years, and Johnny's charity, Heyman's Helping Hands. Additionally, they discussed the benefits of owning a house for college students and the importance of focusing on family and health.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But most people don't do it, will not take action,
most people won't move forward. So I was reflecting as
you were saying that you kept poking and prodding, you
kept showing up, you kept doing it. You read the book,
you scheduled the showings, you walked the houses.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I mean cool.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm glad that I might be part of your journey.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hey, guys, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
This is five f conversations talk about faith, family, fitness, finances,
and freedom. Johnny was on a podcast. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
One of my first series.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This is series two, and this is one of our
initial episodes. So Johnny, it's been a couple of years now.
We've had a couple fun adventures in real estate. We
got a couple going right now, and you're still in school.
So just want you to kind of recap your story,
(01:13):
tell them what you got going on a little bit.
Johnny is my wife's first cousin, so grew up with Johnny.
I think Johnny was in diapers when I started dating Leah.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You might not.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You might have just been born. I think when we
started dating, like two thousand and four, were you bornwan
and three? So okay, so you were maybe one years old?
When I started dating Leah, and uh yeah, fast forward later,
Johnny reached out to me just ask, you know, about
questions about real estate, getting you know, what to do next.
And I think by the time you were nineteen, we
(01:47):
got our first property. That sounds right, eighteen or nineteen, Yeah,
for sure, eighteen or nineteen heading into Platteville school.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Got our first property.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So anyway, I won't share too much about it, but
from then till now, kind of tell us, tell us
about yourself, what you got going on through college, what
all the projects you're working on, and then we'll kind
of dive into uh yeah, maybe more of the mindset
that you've adapted and that you're you're morphing into as
(02:15):
you head into your adult life.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I guess it really started when my freshman year
I decided to walk onto the college baseball team here
at Platteville. You know, I just you know, I was
a high school I really had no idea what he's
gonna do.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean I thought I did. I had construction management
in my mind.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know, I grew up doing instruction with my grandpa
every summer, you know, working doing stuff, and he had
a bunch of real estate, you know as well. We'd
always work on projects on those houses that he owned
throughout the summers.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And I just loved it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And uh yeah, So I came to college instruction management
kind of had in my head that was what I
was gonna do. Yeah, I started started school, started trying
out for the baseball team.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I actually made the baseball team.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So I was like, you know, uh, once you once
you really try for something and work towards it, you
can kind of do anything you want to do.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And so I kind of made my mind spin a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And that's when Daniel said I reached out to him,
but it was more like me sending I think thirty
messages to him before I got a message back. Well,
I was just poking and prodden and he's just like,
oh man, finally he answers back, like, all right, what
does this kid want?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Type of thing I feel like, but maybe.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Maybe not, And uh yeah, I think he suggested the
book Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and I did read that
and I've read it three or four times since then,
and I guess that that book definitely helped my mind.
And I guess everything worked towards where I'm working towards now,
I guess. So I started thinking, you know it, you know,
(03:47):
school and everything is good and I'm playing baseball, but
you know, there's there's more to life and there's more
to freedom than just you know, getting out of school
and getting hired and graduating. And so he kind of
kind of scared me a little bit, like I gotta
I really got to work towards something here to you know,
make my myself and my family free, I guess. And
so that's when I started bothering you about real estate
(04:08):
and how we can how I can get going.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And then you said, all right, let's do it. Let's uh,
let's figure something out.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I was like, oh, hold on, Like then I
got a little scared, but you always encouraged me. We started,
uh you started telling me give me advice on nope,
just go go find a real estate agent, go go
look at houses. I was like completely foreign to me,
Like what I did? I got to go look for
a house like I'm buying it. And so yeah, I
guess I started doing that. I uh started actually asking
(04:34):
you know, realtors to take me on tours, and they
were really confused. Why eighteen year old freshman college is
walking through a house with them and and everything. But yeah,
we found our I found this first house that I'm
in right now, actually the one on Facebook. So it
was an off market deal and we dealt on that,
and uh, yeah, that's where we're at. I guess with
(04:54):
with that house so far, I don't know how how
much you want to keep going on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, so you got.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That house, we got a second house that you you
did the renovation mostly yourself and manage the contractors, and
now we got two houses rented. We took on a
big flip remodel project that right as we went into
the market, slow down, the pullback, and basically we kind
of had a little bit of a mini horror story.
But we got out and made pretty much nothing, but
(05:21):
we paid back our investors, So you got.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
To learn that side of it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
We also are now we own a mobile home park
close to you, and you're you're doing ninety percent of
the management on that with the hopes that either hey,
we sell it quickly, or we hold on to it
and rehab it out and sell it in three to
four years or whatever after we fix it all up.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But I want to back up a second.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think I think when you're saying you've poked a
proud thirty some messages.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I get messages all the.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Time from people that are like, cool, you know, I'm
in I want to do this ninety seven percent and
I don't have Those are just numbers I'm making up.
But most people don't do it, will not take action.
Most people won't move forward. And when you first start
(06:16):
out you want to just help everybody, they're like, oh,
do this, this, this, this, And all of a sudden
you're like, why, oh shoot, I did I do something wrong?
Like why didn't they do it? Why didn't they do it?
So I was reflecting as you were saying that, you
know the fact that you kept poking and prodding, you
kept showing up, you kept doing it. You read the book,
you scheduled the showings, you walk the houses. I mean cool,
(06:39):
I'm glad that I might be part of your journey.
But you're doing it. You did it so any like
seventeen eighteen, nineteen, twenty, thirty thirty five year old whatever
that wants to get into something, you have to just get.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Into it, right. That's what and that's what I guess
is the biggest lesson that I've learned. And I guess
in the years of doing this stuff and my college
career in general, it's not just real estate or you know,
school or anything. It's just and I think I told
you that after the first year of working is be
a doer. And I just love that so much because
I mean, if I wouldn't have decided, like everyone talks like,
(07:16):
there's so many kids that and like, no hate Torge
because you know, it's a lot in a big commitment.
But you want to try out for a team like
a baseball team or a football team, and and they're
like they're you know, they're gonna do it, gonna do it,
and I'm just like, ah, no, that's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And so they didn't do it right and they don't
see the other side of and I just did it,
like I was just like, ah, like, well we'll figure
it out.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Let's let's do it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And so I did it, and you know, I made
the team, and that ultimately like helped me have a
vision to do more, I guess. And then when I, uh,
you know, founded my nonprofit foundation, that was the exact
same thing, like you know, here a lot of things
like that's a lot of work. That's a lot of this,
this and that, and I was just like, screw it,
I'm gonna do it, and they just you just go
and do it. And like, I just feel that there's
(07:55):
so much opportunity out there and I have a lot
to do yet in front of me, and I haven't
done a whole lot, but I think anything's achievable.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You just you just got to jump and you've got
to go do I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So yeah, And with that, I'm sure there was times
along the way where there was like huge obstacles that
jumped in front and it could have been like, oh,
that's a sign that this this isn't gonna work, I
shouldn't do this, right, But yeah, I think I think
there is something to be said, like no, I am
going to make the team, I am going to you know,
(08:28):
start the nonprofit, I am going to get into real estate,
and then from there you just go do that. So
talk on that a second, if you would.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I guess it's kind of just the whole fact
of you know, just put in your mind to something
and going and doing it, and if you truly want
it and you truly have a passion for it, I
think you can make anything happen and just just go
out there.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And do by any means.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But yeah, sure, okay, so let's jump into let's jump
into the real estate side of things a little bit.
What have you learned with flipping houses? Super generic question,
but I'm sure from seventeen years old to you're twenty
one or two now any one you're you know, so three,
(09:14):
three to four years two to three years later, what
does that look like? Is it such an overwhelming project
that's just like taboo or is it kind of like, yeah,
I know how to flip a house, like talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of a lot of
the work.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It was like, you know, I thought, you know, working
with my grandpa in the summertime for so many years.
I mean I was doing that since I was eleven
twelve years old, just because I didn't like my older
brother babysitting me in the summer, so I begged my
parents to let me go with grandpa and work. But so, yeah,
I felt like, I, you know, I had a strong
background on how to do things, and then it got
to it and I was just like, I don't know
(09:50):
how to do this, And I'd send you a picture
and you'd say, oh, just YouTube it, or like oh
you just do this, or you know, good research or.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Be real or be honest, what do I do most
of the time, Hey, let's call it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, Hey, let's call Steve, Hey, let's call somebody, right, Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Know a lot of stuff either, and uh yeah, so honestly,
it was it was a lot of things. And I
look back at it like even now, like I would
just be walking through something, I'd be like, I see
like trim or something like, oh I did not know
how to do that, but like now I do, and
it's all like the lessons just because I decided that
I wanted to be a crazy man and try flipping
a house while being a student athlete in college. But yeah,
(10:27):
by any means, there's no no easy easy parts of it,
I feel like, I mean, it was fun and exciting
and a lot of fun memories with friends and you know,
being able to hire some of your college teammates and friends.
You know, you you were able to mess around a
little bit and have some fun as well. But h yeah,
I guess it uh just comes down to just learning
a lot along the way.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
How how I mean, how does it feel to like
because I think after the first year then you had
guys like coming up and be like, hey, what what
do you got for me this summer?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Like how does that feel? I like that feeling about
how do you work? Yeah, I mean I think it's
really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's like, hey, like, you know, I need to match
you cash you have any work for me, Like we
go out and make some I'm like at the time
and know a lot of you know, deals are hard
harder to find than you know actually once you're in it,
and it's just like all right, let's do it. But
so i'd just you know, start hitting with the encouragement
of if you find me a deal, I'll give you
you know, cash for that, plus we'll be able to
work on it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah. I think it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But it's also like I feel the not the pressure,
but it's like, you know, I just it drives me
a little more because it's like, yeah, these like I
want to be able to keep keep doing this for
these guys and keep keep working and doing this stuff.
Plus it's you know, benefiting me as well, and I'm learning,
So it kind of drives me to you know, go
out and find another deal and find more work.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So so right, now, what do you pay for rent?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Personally, I don't so I think I think every sixteen
and seventeen and eighteen year old should hear this message
real quick. How do you not pay for rent? Break
it down real simply. Well, So when I decided to,
you know, you know, you check some bouns, is right?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know, my very rookie numbers my freshman year of college,
I thought it was super you know, financial intelligent, I guess,
and had my own Google spreadsheet and had my you know,
assets and liabilities all lined up, and I had it
all or in. Every every week end of the week,
I would put, Okay, what did I spend? Okay, seven
dollars at McDonald's, forty dollars at Walmart?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What did I get?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I didn't get anything. And so you know, like you know,
you're in college, you're not making money. So it's all
from like the summer money and kind of calculating out
how how far are you gonna go? And so that's
when I was kind of like, all right, how did
how to be strategic with you know, financial freedom? And
you know the way I interpreted it right as a
younger man, I guess is like you got to have
more income you know, coming in and canceling things out.
(12:43):
Like I pictured, if I have four hundred dollars coming
in from this, I can put that towards you know this.
And so I was like, okay, how can I eliminate
certain liabilities or you know, rent and stuff. So I
was like, all right, we can work on getting the house.
And like when you have a house, how are you
gonna be able to do that? And so you you know,
find roommates enough formates to you know, cover the cost
of the monthly bill and then pay the rent. And
(13:07):
it goes as far as like me starting to you know,
cut hair heavily in college. I was cutting hair out
of my dorm room. You know, I even cutting you know,
my baseball coaches hair and all the teammates. There's forty
guys in the team, and you know, just cutting just
about everyone and cutting you know, just like ten bucks
a cut, you know, helping people out. But you know,
he pretty soon you stack four or five up in
a night and you're making forty fifty bucks and it
helps out.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
But even back to that, so when you were chatting
with me, You're like, how much do we got to
get for rent on this house? And I'm like, well,
you know, I mean, be great to get twelve hundred
bucks or whatever we got. How are you gonna get
twelve hundred bucks? Okay, well maybe I'll go get four
guys that live with me, charge them three hundred each. Yeah, okay,
well there's twelve hundred bucks. And now you're living there,
(13:50):
the twelve hundred bucks is coming in. You're not paying rent.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I think, and especially if you're a parent listening to this,
if you got a kid is semi eager and willing
to manage the house, Like, take money, go buy a
house in the college town and let your kid manage
it for three or four years through college, tell him
or her to fill it up with her buddies, and
(14:18):
then at the end, as long as they take care
of it and improve it a little bit, you sell
it after three or four years, and that just helped
pay for your college and your kid got free room
and board. Absolutely, I don't know. I think you're not
my kid, obviously, but I'm just saying, like I have
like clients that do that. They're like, oh, my kid's
(14:39):
going to so and so, we're going down house shop
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh, what do you mean.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, you know, you spend thirty forty thousand over the
course of the year, and so that's cheap for some
people on just housing. Why not put thirty or forty
thousand down on a house, let them have free rent,
and then sell it at the back end and get
fifty sixty thousand dollars back.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, Oh that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I remember when I was probably twenty four, twenty five,
twenty six, just starting learning this stuff, and I was like,
that makes a lot of sense, right, So even for you,
it's like we're not making much money right now, but
you're getting free room and board. My money's housed in
that house. And then as long as you take care
of it a little bit and fix it up, you're
going to graduate next year. We'll either keep it, keep
(15:21):
renting it, or most likely if the market's good, we'll
sell it. Get the money back out. Maybe there's some
money for you. I get my money back out, and
you got free housing, and you got to learn real estate,
right absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think that's a small hack that you know, you
could get your kids through college and save money on
the housing, but more importantly, teach them how to manage people,
tenants houses, you know, how to market to like talk
about some of the skills you developed just in filling
the house and getting the leases.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, I guess it was.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It was super I mean, something that just comes back
to my mind every time is right right when we
bought the house.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean I was, I think I was.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I was a freshman and it was in the spring,
and I remember going and knocking on the door to
you know, the tenants here and you know, their upperclassmen,
their students here, and I was like, you know, the
scared freshman like, oh my gosh, Like these guys are
juniors and seniors like. And so I'm knocking on the
door of the answer and it's like, uh hello, and
I was like, hey, uh my name is Johnny. I uh,
(16:22):
I just you know, bought this house with my partner.
You know, it was super super super bad my first time,
but you know, there was it was definitely kind of cool,
you know, seeing like you know, you can really just
be that and do that. And so yeah, he definitely learned,
you know, handling, you know, contractors. I guess when something
goes bad, I mean it's that same year the furnace
(16:42):
went out like three days before Christmas and so on.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We you know, it was a special part down in
the buke.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I was trying to get from a supplier that doesn't
deal with direct residents. You had to have a contractor's
number or whatever get it ordered, and so they ran
me a favor. And because these guys had the oven
open and they like, you know, space heaters keeping warm
over the Christmas season, and so yeah, you know, being
able to go and fix that, you know, you learn
a lot. It's like, man, is this really what this
is about? And kind of hit you, but you know
(17:09):
it's it's really it's really cool. And the people skills,
I guess is tremendous too. You just being able to
talk with anyone and helping anyone a lot of times
people have concerns and handling that and just kind of
making trying to make them happy, but not making everyone
happy in the same time.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I guess, So how the.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
How did it open some of the doors, Because I
remember you calling me and being like my professor is
talking to me about real estate and stuff and asking
me questions like I don't know, just and even talking
to the upper classmen and all of a sudden, you're like,
I'm a freshman, I own a house.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Do you want to live here? Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What does that do for your confidence level and your
conversations with some people that maybe you wouldn't be in
conversation with otherwise.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I kind of struggled with it.
I mean, like it's just like I don't I don't.
I didn't like to be that, you know, the braggy
guy or the you know, the guy that say like, oh,
I don't want to oh type of thing. But it
was like true because like it was kind of cool
to be able to to relate, you know, especially if
they're a professor that tells you has real estate and stuff.
And it struggled with me to like kind of come
out right away and say that, you know, like oh,
like you know, feel that I had that relation with them.
(18:13):
But you know, once I did it, just you know,
was able to click and they you know, I've had
multiple professors come and talk to me, and even from
posts on LinkedIn in the past, you know, from our
flip at Walna Dell professors I haven't talked to ever
outside of class, which I don't think I even had
classes with some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
They just see and they just come up to me and.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Say, hey, like, you know, congratulations, like to see what
you're doing like that, Like that's really cool, like good
hearing from that. And you know, you always preach with
me like you got to be able, you gotta like,
you know, share the stuff and you know, help like
it helps people versus like it doesn't. You don't come
across as brag year you're announcing it and stuff. But
and so that's what it kind of came full circle,
and it did come back to me, like, you know,
(18:53):
maybe it doesn't like impacting others in a positive way
versus me thinking about myself and not wanting to be
trade is something that I'm not I guess.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So yeah, how so the podcast is kind of the
theme this series is on freedom. Like from the first
time you started talking to me, you know, I told
you to read that book, and maybe you started going, oh,
do I graduate with this degree and then do I
go get a job and then put in my forty
(19:24):
years and hope for some success.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
And I'm not saying that's the wrong way to go.
I got lots of clients and that's what they do.
But what what is kind of shifted now? Like and
even this past summer, right, we weren't super busy, We're
dealing with that last flip. There wasn't a lot going on.
And how many times they do message be like dude,
I got to figure my life out and it's like
I'm like, oh, we got the mobile home park, you
(19:48):
got this flip to do, learn this, keep doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I mean, it's like it's a different mindset, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's not a how fast can I fill up forty
hours in the week with something just to get some
money coming in. It's more are so I don't know.
For me, it's like it's more time to think, it's
more time to be creative, it's more time to do
a deal. And maybe that one deal you finally get
done cover is the last two months that you weren't
(20:15):
overly productive, Like just talk about that a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, I guess ultimately it like it helps you
or helped me become like kind of a better man,
I guess because like, you know, the basics of being
an entrepreneurs you need to like or be organized and
have your different things and you know, in line and
so like a lot of things that I asked myself.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And I'm not perfect by any means.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm still a college kid that you know goose off plenty,
but you know, it like it helps with like, you know,
should I be you know, doing this right now or
should I be going doing this? Like it kind of
weighing your what you're doing with your time. And I
mean there was times where like in that that flip,
it was crazy, but like it felt like I needed
to do it, and I just did it and it
(20:53):
didn't bother me because like I'd wake up at you know, five,
and I went and worked on that that house for
an hour. We had lift at six am, so I
went and lifted at six, and then I had class
all day and then I get off with class. We
had baseball practice because we're in season at the start
of the season, and then I you know, went out there.
We got done with practice at six or seven, and
then I went out there and worked at ten till
(21:15):
ten at night, and then I went to bed and
I got up into the same thing. And there was
a couple of times I wasn't eating and you know,
I wasn't great as a college athlete, but you know,
just you know, having the time management and knowing like
what you're doing with your time is valuable for the future.
I guess, like what you're doing now is going to
affect what your year from now looks like. And actually
I guess back to like the mindset and a little
(21:38):
bit of who you are and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I actually had a professor.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I don't think I ever told you, this, but it
was last There was the week before Thanksgiving and we
were in the middle of class. There's a it was
actually a business class, and I sit in the Friday class.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I was on my computer.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I think I was I was handling something with the
mobile home park and I was like zoned out.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm like a he on my phone.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And also I heard my name and it was a
professor saying something about he was relating it to a problem.
And he goes, yeah, it's just like Johnny, and I
just like heard that. I'm like, I thought he was
saying like something that Johnny was a name and the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So I kind of look up and he goes, I.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Already know that this kid, you know, looking at him
right now, is said if he if he gets hired
after school, he's.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Gonna get fired in the first week.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
He definitely needs to have his own business so or something.
And I was like, dang, is that, like is that offensive?
And he's like that's a compliment. By the way, I'm
like okay, And I was like looking around like kind
of confused, like what did I miss? I don't know
what just happened, but yeah, I guess it's just kind
of it's a whole different shift of like what I perceive.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And I don't have anything figured out.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I tell you all the time, and you tell me
that you're however old, you don't have your life figured out.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But it is scary.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know, you're graduating. You know, you know you don't
that's not kind of what I believe is like, I
don't think the right thing to do is go out
and find a job and work. Put my forty years
in so now it's like much time to grit down,
put your heels on the ground, and go to work.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I guess, so, yeah, it's gonna be grind.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, And I think I think for other people thinking
that same way, like, hey, I'm graduating soon, I don't
know exactly what I'm gonna do. Like I would just
encourage you if you have a little bit of call
it entrepreneurial spirit or whatever, like learn sales. You know,
go learn how to sell something, sell yourself, sell something
(23:27):
like earn a commission.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You know, long term like learn real estate, Like I
don't know, I learn real estate, learn sales, You're probably
gonna be Okay, sales is going to help you get
into that business potentially. Business is great for making money.
Real estate is great for holding your money. And if
you just learn those two things. Like it's completely different
though than when college teaches you not to bash college
(23:52):
too hard. But it's very much like a's are good,
these are bad, you know, So teach us don't make mistakes. Well,
entrepreneurships is all about make the mistakes and adjust really fast. Right,
And so a good employee from school, right, they limit mistakes,
they weed out mistakes. Well, that's what in a good
(24:14):
employee does. And good employee follows the procedures that the
boss puts in place. Well, the boss made those procedures
from making all the mistakes. And then he's like, nope,
this is the best way to do it. He wants
to find a good employee that can follow that I'm
not and we need we need both people. But if
you are that two or three percent of people, that
(24:37):
is just like man, school is not for me, Like
getting a job kind of like you've probably got a
little bit of a calling to go like learn sales,
learn how to sell something, learn how to portray yourself,
learn how to you know, get out there and make
your own schedule and stuff. So I don't know, and
obviously I could see that with you, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, so that kind of reflects with like and kind
of the thing that's been helping me a lot mentally
and talking with you as a mentor and a few
other my mentors like kind of freaking. I was like, okay,
like you know, I you know, they that's a little
bit of the offended. I was a little offended, Like
you know, I hey, like I could be I could
I could work for someone and I could be really good,
like because if I if I wanted that and if
I want to put my mind to it, like I
(25:18):
feel like I could, I could be the best. That's
just the way I am is. If I'm gonna do something,
I'm gonna I'm gonna be the best one there. And
so That's why I was like, and he's just like
or I was.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Talking to someone. I was like, no, no, he was saying this.
I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But so that's kind of what I uh like talking
with you and some other mentors is like, you don't
have to have your life figured out right now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
And that's what I feel.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So many college students have like the pressure of like
their senior year, like.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, I need to have a job by this time.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I had my internship my junior year, I need to
work with that company, and if I don't, then they
better refer me, I better be good, and just they
put so much pressure on themselves and I had to
practice what I preach because I mean, I'm I put
so much pressure on myself too. But something that my
my grandpa actually said, the same grandpa that did real
estate and work, he actually passes out to my dad
and my dad always tells me too, is he said, like,
(26:06):
as long as your health and your your family's fine.
He said, money it always you always figure it out,
like you're always looking away. So he said, you don't
have to have the bank accounts absolutely stacked and padded
right off the chute, he said, just everything figures itself out.
It's just focus on your family and your health. And
so it's kind of been not like willy nilly, all right,
I stopped worrying about it, like you know, put it
(26:27):
in the back seat. We're not worrying about it. But
it just kind of takes a little weight off your
shoulders and just kind of makes you think, Okay, we're
we're gonna be able to figure things out and down
the road we'll be able to lock it in and
you know, maybe thirty years from now we'll have everything
figured out.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, or even maybe three years from now or five
years from now. It's just sometimes we'll get in our
own head and it's like, shoot, I don't have it
figured out now, and I don't know if I'm gonna
have it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Figured out in two weeks. It's like, well, you're probably not.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Like it's okay, yeah, you know, and you know as
soon as you get it figured out, like I don't know,
in my experience, the more you have it figured out
and the more I'm coasting, the more I'm like, what
is the purpose?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What am I doing?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like this is too easy, this is too comfortable, Like
it's time to shake the tree. It's time to start
something new, right, So I mean you're you know, build
systems and move on to the next thing and always
find that next challenge. But but back to back to freedom,
Like what what do you think.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
The next ten years looks like for you?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, I guess, like you know, going back to that,
it's like I don't know yet, but really, I mean
it's it's just kind of diving in becoming the best
man that I can be.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I mean, the faith fitness. I guess it's kind of
going to your FS.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I mean it is so true though, Like it's truthfully
being a college athlete. Now it's like, you know, pretty
soon the the krans and markers and putting you in
a you know, a stroller to go to go to
lift at this time, this time, and this time. It's
like after you graduate, it's like is this does this
mean a lot to you? So it's going to be
a test, like, you know, these next few years after
(28:03):
I'm not babysitting, you know, going and forced to go
to these lifts and stuff. You know, keep going with
that and you know, stay strong with my faith. I
mean I'm a very faithful man, and I true truthfully
believe that anything that I've done, you know, he's behind
and everything. So I'm just really growing in that sense,
and then I think, you know, the rest will kind
of follow, but you know, staying in path with keep growing,
(28:25):
keep learning like this last uh, this last flip and
this mobile home park transaction is actually paying for my
study a broad trip. It's an entrepreneur study of broad
trip to Europe. And so I'm super excited at going January.
So just keep doing stuff like that, like, you know,
reinvesting whatever I do make and say, you know, I'm
not I don't have you know, stacks of money, but
(28:46):
you know, if I the money that I do get
like what am I doing with that? And if I
invest it into seeing the world a little bit, seeing
different perspectives, seeing how businesses are ran over there, I
feel like that's just gonna benefit for the future. So
just keep growing, keep adding into the portfolios, I guess,
and ultimately learning and making adjustments when needed.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So yeah, yeah, and what would what would what would
this flip? Let's say we flipped this mobile home part
and you cash out you know, five figures, easy, multiple
five figures, Like what what do you think that'll do
to your mindset.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I feel like it's it's gonna be a big win
and I'll probably smile like right away, but then it's
gonna be like right back to the like I don't know,
it's like the entrepreneur sickness. It's like, shoot, now, like
I need more like like that's not like I need to,
you know, do something with this, Like that's not gonna
be it. Like I gotta go do something bigger like
beat that for the next one. So that'll be like
the next grind is you know, diving in. How can
(29:43):
we reinvest this into something that's gonna you know, benefit me,
you know, three years from now and make me smile
the next time because if I if I did that
again or a little less, and it's like, oh, like
I did this one more. So I guess just keep
trying to find that next next edge and making it further.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, yeah, well I think that I think that's going
to happen. I think you know, what, do you graduate
in May? It is now December, so you literally got
one one semester left. Yeah, I'm excited. And even as
you were saying, like your professor said, you're probably gonna
get fired from that job. Someone like me is looking
(30:21):
at someone like you and going, this isn't an employee,
but this is more of a partner that I want
to keep keep on because they'll push themselves. Employees need
push some employees, right, they need really good systems and
they need kind of structure and partners that I want
to partner with. They push themselves, right, I don't you know,
(30:42):
And even if I'm having a down month or a
down week, they're there to push me type of thing.
But anyway, kind of cool, kind of cool. Well, we'll
definitely be fun to have you on in the year
from now again. And now we're three four years into this,
the mobile home park will be stabilized and uh, you know,
(31:04):
cash flowing and doing its thing, or we would have
hopefully already sold it and onto the next, onto the
next thing. So how about how about family? You kind
of jump from faith fitness, which talking about fitness a
little bit. You know, you're you're are hitting the gym,
you're trying to bulk up. I do have a guy
(31:25):
I follow, and he said, out of all of the f's,
the one you probably can control the easiest is your fitness, right,
And it's the one that I would he would recommend
starting with If you're a little lost in life right now,
maybe you're listening to this and you're like, oh, I
don't have it together, start with your fitness, right you.
(31:46):
It takes a ton of discipline, but you can control
what you put in your mouth, and you can control
if you choose to get your heart rate up or
choose to sit.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
On the couch. Right, So start with that one, and it.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Like it's it starts the ball rolling, you know, then
you can start looking into the other things. If you're
upside down in your bank accounts and you're overweight, don't
stress about the bank accounts until you actually get your
heart rate up and get start. You know, do do
thirty days, ten days, two days of working out and
eating healthy and you're going to start to see the
(32:18):
results really quick. But back to you, you know, what's
family look like for the next ten years for you?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like, as far as the family that I already have
or the family that I need to make, I don't know. Yeah,
I guess family's like, you know, number one right behind
or number two, I guess because you know, God comes
first for me, but it's you know, family comes next,
and it's like family first, I guess you say, you know,
although there's you know, many times where they look out
(32:46):
for you, they're you know, looking out for you so much.
And I experienced that kind of at to start a
little bit where they're looking out for you so much,
where they're just like, you know, are you sure, like
is this the right thing? Or I don't, I don't
know about that, and you know, just just because they're
truthfully looking out for you. But then you start doing
this stuff and then they have your back and they
you know, it kind of flips and they're with you
and stuff. And I guess family is just ultimately something
(33:08):
that's gonna you know, encourage you and you know.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Be there for you regardless of anything.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And ultimately will you know, my family will take my
side if they think they're gonna take my side or
tell me I'm wrong if I'm if I'm wrong. So
I think they're you know, help help with accountability and stuff.
But I guess as far as the future family in
the next ten years, you know, you know, being a
man and uh being a building building, you know, the
best version of yourself and the best version of God
(33:33):
and stuff. You know, you know, ultimately, you know, starting
a family and you know, finding a companion that you
know is along for the ride and okay to put
up with some wild, wild dreams and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
So I guess that's kind of the picture person.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
But yeah, you obviously haven't come from a really good family,
same family as my wife, and I think it's pretty cool.
And I'm not saying you get to take credit for
your parents getting into real estate a little bit with
their with their Airbnb, but I'll bet you had an
impact on them getting into real estate, right and maybe
(34:08):
maybe not, but the fact that now and even last
couple of weeks ago, we went home for Thanksgiving and
I got to talk to your parents about their cabin, like,
that's pretty cool. I go to my Thanksgiving and I
talked to my brother about his eleven or twelve units
he's up to that he had zero before I started, right,
And I talked to my other brother who owns a
multi family apartment building. I talked to my other brother
(34:30):
who's got some real estate. And I talked to my
sister who's got some real And I'm not saying it
has to be about real estate, but to your point,
when you first jump in. There is this Oh be careful, Johnny,
be careful, play it safe. That's risky, and that's that's
not because they're intentionally holding you back. They're just trying
to look protect too, right. But if you can persevere
(34:53):
and you can get through it and you can have
a couple of wins, all of a sudden, they're like,
holy smokes, Johnny's working a lot, not getting paid, but
he's always smiling, Like I like that, right, And then
you finally get paid a little bit, and now they're going, oh, shoot,
there's something to this. Oh shoot, do I want to
stay where I'm at for thirty more years? Or should
I maybe take a little bit of that risk? So
(35:15):
I think that that just stick it out. You're going
to see a lot more of that, and you're such
a you know, bright shining person that it's going to
touch a lot of people, Like I don't know, I
just obviously I you know, that's why I'm attracted to
working with you and everything as well. But it's just
like stick stick that out, and uh, it definitely highlights
(35:37):
a lot of the down self negative self talk we
have in our heads, like is this worth this?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Should we be doing this? Should I just go get
that job?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Maybe, but you know, I think the tiny you know,
if you get one win out of every ten kicking
the balls, like it's kind of worth it, right, It's fun.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Like I mean, the kicking the balls is humbling, and
it's it's kind of after you get it's just like ah,
it's like it's like a cold plunge. It sucks in
the moment, but then right after you get out, it's like, oh,
this is all right, here we go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So yeah, yeah, so oh shoot, the furnace went out,
and then you fix the furnace and you're like, damn,
I just fixed the furnace.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, It's like it's pretty cool, right, and so yeah,
I would just I would stick it out.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Wrapping up though, because we didn't really talk about your
charity much. Talk talk a little bit about why you
started the charity, what the charity is, and what the
charity has kind of taught you. In the same kind
of breath as like this entrepreneurship journey you're on.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I mean this this is
you know, i'd say, who who am I? And you
know this it comes back to Hayman's Helping Hands, which
is the name of the charity, and it just ultimately
it's it's truthfully started behind, you know, making the baseball team,
you know, Dan helping me buy my first house, and
me looking back and being like, you really can do
anything you want to do.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You just got to do it.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And so then I, you know, always I always had
like this, uh, you know, dream of starting this because
I guess back, my brother was diagnosed with a very
rare form of bone cancer back when we were young.
I was in eighth grade and my little sister and
you know he's obviously in high school, older sisters in
high school. We get, you know, just slammed by a
semi in November about this diagnosis, and it you know,
(37:16):
we're super tight knit, close family, always spending Christmas at home.
They came with their you know, their plans for the
treatment and stuff, which was it was a hail Mary
throat really and so they they came with that, and
you know, we're looking at the treatment.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Planet's the first treatment.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
He has to spend Christmas in the hospital, and we're
just kind of looking around like, oh my, like we
just got hit.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
By this news.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
We're like not even settled in like this is like
everything is just hey, why are our minds aren't in
the right again a good spot at all? And now
we're gonna be away for Christmas. But Mayo Clinic and
Saint Mary's Children's Hospital in Rochester, Minnesota, they made it
like absolutely amazing, like not even just for my brother,
which most important importantly my brother, like you know, they
made him comfortable, they made him have a good Christmas,
(37:57):
but they made it like wonderful for me and my
siblings as well, like my little sister or older sister,
even my parents. And so it didn't even feel like
it was like a negative. It was a positive. And
so I guess kind of turning every negative into a
positive is a big life lesson like what what what
can we get out of this? Or how can we
smile through this? And so I always wanted to find
(38:18):
a way to give back. I feel like giving back
is you know, truth will be important in life in general,
but especially as an entrepreneur business. I think it's a
necessity actually, and so so I you know, I bought there,
uh made the baseball team, bought this first house, and
then I was like you know what, like I can
do this, like let's just let's just go do it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And so I got with a mentor.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
She helped me out with, Uh, actually, my original plan
was I'm gonna I'm gonna buy a grill with some
summer money I got, you know, summer money, five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
That was a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Like, you know, I'm gonna go spend this and I'm
gonna raffle it off and maybe make a thousand and
we're just gonna donate it to the hospital and say
go buy Christmas presents. And so I went and told
that to my mentor, and you know, she's not entrepreneur too,
and she kind of opened the door to like a
whole nother universe, like seven planets, and she's just like, oh,
so you're saying this, this, this and this and this
and this, and I was just like, yeah, yeah, that's
(39:11):
not like you know, wow, like I can well, that's
that's way bigger than I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And so then we kind of just launched it.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
She's like, come up with a name, and first thing
that came to my head was Hayman's Helping Hands, and
uh yeah, so we make it our mission to ensure
that every child who spends Christmas in the hospital receives
the best Christmas possible, and so she helped me organize
how to make it become an actual nonprofit organization.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
So we're a five oh one C three.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
So I guess running it just like a business, like
I'm the founder and president, my brother obviously taking him
along that we made through this journey. He's a co
founder and vice president. And we go around and just
raise money around, sell sponsorships to businesses and you know,
help encourage other people to give back to a good cause.
And I mean selling to companies and you know, giving back,
(39:57):
I guess and I feel that you know, the more
you or the more you give, the more you get.
And it's not the more you get in money, it's
like the more you get. And I mean at the
end of the day, like faith everything, God's gonna you know,
cherish you, and He's gonna you really truthfully giving to
get more like you're getting smiles from other people, you're
getting happiness, and I just I think that's uh can
(40:18):
go like rise above.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Any monetary value.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
So yeah, I guess that's kind of where the foundation
in the started out of my dorm room. I remember
sitting there building the logo and stuff in my dorm room.
And then the two years, we just had the two
year mark of it kind of being going since the
unofficial start time, and we've done just over seventy thousand
dollars just in that So it's been a journey, but
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Super cool. And that's coming up next.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Week, right you you take your parents and your siblings
and you go load up crap.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It'll be the twenty third this year.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
So the twenty it's a kind of falls my brother's
birthdays and actually quick it so it kind of falls
on he actually gets to spend his birthday, you know,
doing doing given and it's kind of it's kind of
surreal and emotional, I guess too, because you know, you
were there and seeing like we were in the same shoes,
and so many families see they talk to my parents
and my moms, you know, usually crying and talking to
(41:11):
the moms that are you know, going through at the time,
and just like they feel just seeing like the smiles
and the true hope of like seeing someone that has
you know, made it this far through the journey like this.
You can see the hope through their their faces and
their expressions, which which is truthfully amazing.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I guess so, And I mean, but you it's still
just mostly a family thing. Or how many how how
many people does it take really to go spend thirty
thousand or ten thousand or twenty thousand or whatever you
got to spend to get all those gifts?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
And how many vehicles to haul the gift? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Like what, actually I got a I actually need to
be I've been working on a trailer sponsorship and you know,
finding someone to you know, sponsor a trailer. I'm honestly
gonna have to go out and buy one and then
try finding a sponsor to wrap it later. But so
if anyone's interested in sponsoring a nonprofit trade, then they
can definitely hit me up. But uh yeah, so it
usually results in my dad's truck absolutely stacked full of
(42:07):
presents because we set out boxes around the community and
encourage people to get involved around here during this time.
But we also, you know, accept donations from businesses and
we raise money through golf outings and we have a
pub crawl this weekend in my college town, so we
raise money that way.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
But yeah, it's just our our family stacked with presents.
We dropped the first load off.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Then we make you know, two or three or four
trips back from the hospital to uh target and just
buying presents that we think that the children are gonna
love and things that we we like helped us get
through and stuff like that in the times when we
were there. So I mean, I wouldn't say it's it's
just our family though, because I mean it's it's it's
honestly the community that supports and donates and comes out
(42:48):
shows up and it just buys into the cause and
loves loves seeing you know, children, you who don't have
the most ideal situation in Christmas, but you know, want
to want to make their days a little brighter.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
So it takes it makes everyone.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
But yeah, our family is truthfully there and Rochester and
we're there, you know, having a lot of fun buying
presence and going there and telling her story.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So I love it. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Well, any final remarks otherwise we'll wrap this one up today,
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I think I guess we can always we can always
finish it with if anyone has a distressed property that
they want to sell, they can contact me.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, if you gotta got a
property you need to sell. Hit up myself for Johnny
and let us know you heard it through this podcast
and we'll yeah, we'll even pay a finder speed. But
any who, that wasn't We don't want to tack that
onto your fun charity story. That was better, so
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Awesome, man, I appreciate you popping on here, absolutely
But most people don't do it, will not take action,
most people won't move forward. So I was reflecting as
you were saying that you kept poking and prodding, you
kept showing up, you kept doing it. You read the book,
you scheduled the showings, you walked the houses.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I mean cool.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm glad that I might be part of your journey.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hey, guys, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
This is five f conversations talk about faith, family, fitness, finances,
and freedom. Johnny was on a podcast. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
One of my first series.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This is series two, and this is one of our
initial episodes. So Johnny, it's been a couple of years now.
We've had a couple fun adventures in real estate. We
got a couple going right now, and you're still in school.
So just want you to kind of recap your story,
(01:13):
tell them what you got going on a little bit.
Johnny is my wife's first cousin, so grew up with Johnny.
I think Johnny was in diapers when I started dating Leah.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You might not.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You might have just been born. I think when we
started dating, like two thousand and four, were you bornwan
and three? So okay, so you were maybe one years old?
When I started dating Leah, and uh yeah, fast forward later,
Johnny reached out to me just ask, you know, about
questions about real estate, getting you know, what to do next.
And I think by the time you were nineteen, we
(01:47):
got our first property. That sounds right, eighteen or nineteen, Yeah,
for sure, eighteen or nineteen heading into Platteville school.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Got our first property.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So anyway, I won't share too much about it, but
from then till now, kind of tell us, tell us
about yourself, what you got going on through college, what
all the projects you're working on, and then we'll kind
of dive into uh yeah, maybe more of the mindset
that you've adapted and that you're you're morphing into as
(02:15):
you head into your adult life.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I guess it really started when my freshman year
I decided to walk onto the college baseball team here
at Platteville. You know, I just you know, I was
a high school I really had no idea what he's
gonna do.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean I thought I did. I had construction management
in my mind.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know, I grew up doing instruction with my grandpa
every summer, you know, working doing stuff, and he had
a bunch of real estate, you know as well. We'd
always work on projects on those houses that he owned
throughout the summers.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And I just loved it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And uh yeah, So I came to college instruction management
kind of had in my head that was what I
was gonna do. Yeah, I started started school, started trying
out for the baseball team.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I actually made the baseball team.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So I was like, you know, uh, once you once
you really try for something and work towards it, you
can kind of do anything you want to do.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And so I kind of made my mind spin a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And that's when Daniel said I reached out to him,
but it was more like me sending I think thirty
messages to him before I got a message back. Well,
I was just poking and prodden and he's just like,
oh man, finally he answers back, like, all right, what
does this kid want?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Type of thing I feel like, but maybe.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Maybe not, And uh yeah, I think he suggested the
book Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and I did read that
and I've read it three or four times since then,
and I guess that that book definitely helped my mind.
And I guess everything worked towards where I'm working towards now,
I guess. So I started thinking, you know it, you know,
(03:47):
school and everything is good and I'm playing baseball, but
you know, there's there's more to life and there's more
to freedom than just you know, getting out of school
and getting hired and graduating. And so he kind of
kind of scared me a little bit, like I gotta
I really got to work towards something here to you know,
make my myself and my family free, I guess. And
so that's when I started bothering you about real estate
(04:08):
and how we can how I can get going.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And then you said, all right, let's do it. Let's uh,
let's figure something out.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I was like, oh, hold on, Like then I
got a little scared, but you always encouraged me. We started,
uh you started telling me give me advice on nope,
just go go find a real estate agent, go go
look at houses. I was like completely foreign to me,
Like what I did? I got to go look for
a house like I'm buying it. And so yeah, I
guess I started doing that. I uh started actually asking
(04:34):
you know, realtors to take me on tours, and they
were really confused. Why eighteen year old freshman college is
walking through a house with them and and everything. But yeah,
we found our I found this first house that I'm
in right now, actually the one on Facebook. So it
was an off market deal and we dealt on that,
and uh, yeah, that's where we're at. I guess with
(04:54):
with that house so far, I don't know how how
much you want to keep going on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, so you got.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That house, we got a second house that you you
did the renovation mostly yourself and manage the contractors, and
now we got two houses rented. We took on a
big flip remodel project that right as we went into
the market, slow down, the pullback, and basically we kind
of had a little bit of a mini horror story.
But we got out and made pretty much nothing, but
(05:21):
we paid back our investors, So you got.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
To learn that side of it.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
We also are now we own a mobile home park
close to you, and you're you're doing ninety percent of
the management on that with the hopes that either hey,
we sell it quickly, or we hold on to it
and rehab it out and sell it in three to
four years or whatever after we fix it all up.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But I want to back up a second.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think I think when you're saying you've poked a
proud thirty some messages.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I get messages all the.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Time from people that are like, cool, you know, I'm
in I want to do this ninety seven percent and
I don't have Those are just numbers I'm making up.
But most people don't do it, will not take action.
Most people won't move forward. And when you first start
(06:16):
out you want to just help everybody, they're like, oh,
do this, this, this, this, And all of a sudden
you're like, why, oh shoot, I did I do something wrong?
Like why didn't they do it? Why didn't they do it?
So I was reflecting as you were saying that, you
know the fact that you kept poking and prodding, you
kept showing up, you kept doing it. You read the book,
you scheduled the showings, you walk the houses. I mean cool,
(06:39):
I'm glad that I might be part of your journey.
But you're doing it. You did it so any like
seventeen eighteen, nineteen, twenty, thirty thirty five year old whatever
that wants to get into something, you have to just get.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Into it, right. That's what and that's what I guess
is the biggest lesson that I've learned. And I guess
in the years of doing this stuff and my college
career in general, it's not just real estate or you know,
school or anything. It's just and I think I told
you that after the first year of working is be
a doer. And I just love that so much because
I mean, if I wouldn't have decided, like everyone talks like,
(07:16):
there's so many kids that and like, no hate Torge
because you know, it's a lot in a big commitment.
But you want to try out for a team like
a baseball team or a football team, and and they're
like they're you know, they're gonna do it, gonna do it,
and I'm just like, ah, no, that's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And so they didn't do it right and they don't
see the other side of and I just did it,
like I was just like, ah, like, well we'll figure
it out.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Let's let's do it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And so I did it, and you know, I made
the team, and that ultimately like helped me have a
vision to do more, I guess. And then when I, uh,
you know, founded my nonprofit foundation, that was the exact
same thing, like you know, here a lot of things
like that's a lot of work. That's a lot of this,
this and that, and I was just like, screw it,
I'm gonna do it, and they just you just go
and do it. And like, I just feel that there's
(07:55):
so much opportunity out there and I have a lot
to do yet in front of me, and I haven't
done a whole lot, but I think anything's achievable.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You just you just got to jump and you've got
to go do I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So yeah, And with that, I'm sure there was times
along the way where there was like huge obstacles that
jumped in front and it could have been like, oh,
that's a sign that this this isn't gonna work, I
shouldn't do this, right, But yeah, I think I think
there is something to be said, like no, I am
going to make the team, I am going to you know,
(08:28):
start the nonprofit, I am going to get into real estate,
and then from there you just go do that. So
talk on that a second, if you would.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I guess it's kind of just the whole fact
of you know, just put in your mind to something
and going and doing it, and if you truly want
it and you truly have a passion for it, I
think you can make anything happen and just just go
out there.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And do by any means.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
But yeah, sure, okay, so let's jump into let's jump
into the real estate side of things a little bit.
What have you learned with flipping houses? Super generic question,
but I'm sure from seventeen years old to you're twenty
one or two now any one you're you know, so three,
(09:14):
three to four years two to three years later, what
does that look like? Is it such an overwhelming project
that's just like taboo or is it kind of like, yeah,
I know how to flip a house, like talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of a lot of
the work.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It was like, you know, I thought, you know, working
with my grandpa in the summertime for so many years.
I mean I was doing that since I was eleven
twelve years old, just because I didn't like my older
brother babysitting me in the summer, so I begged my
parents to let me go with grandpa and work. But so, yeah,
I felt like, I, you know, I had a strong
background on how to do things, and then it got
to it and I was just like, I don't know
(09:50):
how to do this, And I'd send you a picture
and you'd say, oh, just YouTube it, or like oh
you just do this, or you know, good research or.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Be real or be honest, what do I do most
of the time, Hey, let's call it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, Hey, let's call Steve, Hey, let's call somebody, right, Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Know a lot of stuff either, and uh yeah, so honestly,
it was it was a lot of things. And I
look back at it like even now, like I would
just be walking through something, I'd be like, I see
like trim or something like, oh I did not know
how to do that, but like now I do, and
it's all like the lessons just because I decided that
I wanted to be a crazy man and try flipping
a house while being a student athlete in college. But yeah,
(10:27):
by any means, there's no no easy easy parts of it,
I feel like, I mean, it was fun and exciting
and a lot of fun memories with friends and you know,
being able to hire some of your college teammates and friends.
You know, you you were able to mess around a
little bit and have some fun as well. But h yeah,
I guess it uh just comes down to just learning
a lot along the way.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
How how I mean, how does it feel to like
because I think after the first year then you had
guys like coming up and be like, hey, what what
do you got for me this summer?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Like how does that feel? I like that feeling about
how do you work? Yeah, I mean I think it's
really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's like, hey, like, you know, I need to match
you cash you have any work for me, Like we
go out and make some I'm like at the time
and know a lot of you know, deals are hard
harder to find than you know actually once you're in it,
and it's just like all right, let's do it. But
so i'd just you know, start hitting with the encouragement
of if you find me a deal, I'll give you
you know, cash for that, plus we'll be able to
work on it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah. I think it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But it's also like I feel the not the pressure,
but it's like, you know, I just it drives me
a little more because it's like, yeah, these like I
want to be able to keep keep doing this for
these guys and keep keep working and doing this stuff.
Plus it's you know, benefiting me as well, and I'm learning,
So it kind of drives me to you know, go
out and find another deal and find more work.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So so right, now, what do you pay for rent?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Personally, I don't so I think I think every sixteen
and seventeen and eighteen year old should hear this message
real quick. How do you not pay for rent? Break
it down real simply. Well, So when I decided to,
you know, you know, you check some bouns, is right?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know, my very rookie numbers my freshman year of college,
I thought it was super you know, financial intelligent, I guess,
and had my own Google spreadsheet and had my you know,
assets and liabilities all lined up, and I had it
all or in. Every every week end of the week,
I would put, Okay, what did I spend? Okay, seven
dollars at McDonald's, forty dollars at Walmart?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What did I get?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I didn't get anything. And so you know, like you know,
you're in college, you're not making money. So it's all
from like the summer money and kind of calculating out
how how far are you gonna go? And so that's
when I was kind of like, all right, how did
how to be strategic with you know, financial freedom? And
you know the way I interpreted it right as a
younger man, I guess is like you got to have
more income you know, coming in and canceling things out.
(12:43):
Like I pictured, if I have four hundred dollars coming
in from this, I can put that towards you know this.
And so I was like, okay, how can I eliminate
certain liabilities or you know, rent and stuff. So I
was like, all right, we can work on getting the house.
And like when you have a house, how are you
gonna be able to do that? And so you you know,
find roommates enough formates to you know, cover the cost
of the monthly bill and then pay the rent. And
(13:07):
it goes as far as like me starting to you know,
cut hair heavily in college. I was cutting hair out
of my dorm room. You know, I even cutting you know,
my baseball coaches hair and all the teammates. There's forty
guys in the team, and you know, just cutting just
about everyone and cutting you know, just like ten bucks
a cut, you know, helping people out. But you know,
he pretty soon you stack four or five up in
a night and you're making forty fifty bucks and it
helps out.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
But even back to that, so when you were chatting
with me, You're like, how much do we got to
get for rent on this house? And I'm like, well,
you know, I mean, be great to get twelve hundred
bucks or whatever we got. How are you gonna get
twelve hundred bucks? Okay, well maybe I'll go get four
guys that live with me, charge them three hundred each. Yeah, okay,
well there's twelve hundred bucks. And now you're living there,
(13:50):
the twelve hundred bucks is coming in. You're not paying rent.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I think, and especially if you're a parent listening to this,
if you got a kid is semi eager and willing
to manage the house, Like, take money, go buy a
house in the college town and let your kid manage
it for three or four years through college, tell him
or her to fill it up with her buddies, and
(14:18):
then at the end, as long as they take care
of it and improve it a little bit, you sell
it after three or four years, and that just helped
pay for your college and your kid got free room
and board. Absolutely, I don't know. I think you're not
my kid, obviously, but I'm just saying, like I have
like clients that do that. They're like, oh, my kid's
(14:39):
going to so and so, we're going down house shop
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh, what do you mean.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, you know, you spend thirty forty thousand over the
course of the year, and so that's cheap for some
people on just housing. Why not put thirty or forty
thousand down on a house, let them have free rent,
and then sell it at the back end and get
fifty sixty thousand dollars back.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, Oh that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I remember when I was probably twenty four, twenty five,
twenty six, just starting learning this stuff, and I was like,
that makes a lot of sense, right, So even for you,
it's like we're not making much money right now, but
you're getting free room and board. My money's housed in
that house. And then as long as you take care
of it a little bit and fix it up, you're
going to graduate next year. We'll either keep it, keep
(15:21):
renting it, or most likely if the market's good, we'll
sell it. Get the money back out. Maybe there's some
money for you. I get my money back out, and
you got free housing, and you got to learn real estate,
right absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think that's a small hack that you know, you
could get your kids through college and save money on
the housing, but more importantly, teach them how to manage people,
tenants houses, you know, how to market to like talk
about some of the skills you developed just in filling
the house and getting the leases.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, I guess it was.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It was super I mean, something that just comes back
to my mind every time is right right when we
bought the house.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean I was, I think I was.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I was a freshman and it was in the spring,
and I remember going and knocking on the door to
you know, the tenants here and you know, their upperclassmen,
their students here, and I was like, you know, the
scared freshman like, oh my gosh, Like these guys are
juniors and seniors like. And so I'm knocking on the
door of the answer and it's like, uh hello, and
I was like, hey, uh my name is Johnny. I uh,
(16:22):
I just you know, bought this house with my partner.
You know, it was super super super bad my first time,
but you know, there was it was definitely kind of cool,
you know, seeing like you know, you can really just
be that and do that. And so yeah, he definitely learned,
you know, handling, you know, contractors. I guess when something
goes bad, I mean it's that same year the furnace
(16:42):
went out like three days before Christmas and so on.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We you know, it was a special part down in
the buke.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I was trying to get from a supplier that doesn't
deal with direct residents. You had to have a contractor's
number or whatever get it ordered, and so they ran
me a favor. And because these guys had the oven
open and they like, you know, space heaters keeping warm
over the Christmas season, and so yeah, you know, being
able to go and fix that, you know, you learn
a lot. It's like, man, is this really what this
is about? And kind of hit you, but you know
(17:09):
it's it's really it's really cool. And the people skills,
I guess is tremendous too. You just being able to
talk with anyone and helping anyone a lot of times
people have concerns and handling that and just kind of
making trying to make them happy, but not making everyone
happy in the same time.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I guess, So how the.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
How did it open some of the doors, Because I
remember you calling me and being like my professor is
talking to me about real estate and stuff and asking
me questions like I don't know, just and even talking
to the upper classmen and all of a sudden, you're like,
I'm a freshman, I own a house.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Do you want to live here? Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What does that do for your confidence level and your
conversations with some people that maybe you wouldn't be in
conversation with otherwise.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I kind of struggled with it.
I mean, like it's just like I don't I don't.
I didn't like to be that, you know, the braggy
guy or the you know, the guy that say like, oh,
I don't want to oh type of thing. But it
was like true because like it was kind of cool
to be able to to relate, you know, especially if
they're a professor that tells you has real estate and stuff.
And it struggled with me to like kind of come
out right away and say that, you know, like oh,
like you know, feel that I had that relation with them.
(18:13):
But you know, once I did it, just you know,
was able to click and they you know, I've had
multiple professors come and talk to me, and even from
posts on LinkedIn in the past, you know, from our
flip at Walna Dell professors I haven't talked to ever
outside of class, which I don't think I even had
classes with some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
They just see and they just come up to me and.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Say, hey, like, you know, congratulations, like to see what
you're doing like that, Like that's really cool, like good
hearing from that. And you know, you always preach with
me like you got to be able, you gotta like,
you know, share the stuff and you know, help like
it helps people versus like it doesn't. You don't come
across as brag year you're announcing it and stuff. But
and so that's what it kind of came full circle,
and it did come back to me, like, you know,
(18:53):
maybe it doesn't like impacting others in a positive way
versus me thinking about myself and not wanting to be
trade is something that I'm not I guess.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So yeah, how so the podcast is kind of the
theme this series is on freedom. Like from the first
time you started talking to me, you know, I told
you to read that book, and maybe you started going, oh,
do I graduate with this degree and then do I
go get a job and then put in my forty
(19:24):
years and hope for some success.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
And I'm not saying that's the wrong way to go.
I got lots of clients and that's what they do.
But what what is kind of shifted now? Like and
even this past summer, right, we weren't super busy, We're
dealing with that last flip. There wasn't a lot going on.
And how many times they do message be like dude,
I got to figure my life out and it's like
I'm like, oh, we got the mobile home park, you
(19:48):
got this flip to do, learn this, keep doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I mean, it's like it's a different mindset, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's not a how fast can I fill up forty
hours in the week with something just to get some
money coming in. It's more are so I don't know.
For me, it's like it's more time to think, it's
more time to be creative, it's more time to do
a deal. And maybe that one deal you finally get
done cover is the last two months that you weren't
(20:15):
overly productive, Like just talk about that a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, I guess ultimately it like it helps you
or helped me become like kind of a better man,
I guess because like, you know, the basics of being
an entrepreneurs you need to like or be organized and
have your different things and you know, in line and
so like a lot of things that I asked myself.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And I'm not perfect by any means.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm still a college kid that you know goose off plenty,
but you know, it like it helps with like, you know,
should I be you know, doing this right now or
should I be going doing this? Like it kind of
weighing your what you're doing with your time. And I
mean there was times where like in that that flip,
it was crazy, but like it felt like I needed
to do it, and I just did it and it
(20:53):
didn't bother me because like I'd wake up at you know, five,
and I went and worked on that that house for
an hour. We had lift at six am, so I
went and lifted at six, and then I had class
all day and then I get off with class. We
had baseball practice because we're in season at the start
of the season, and then I you know, went out there.
We got done with practice at six or seven, and
then I went out there and worked at ten till
(21:15):
ten at night, and then I went to bed and
I got up into the same thing. And there was
a couple of times I wasn't eating and you know,
I wasn't great as a college athlete, but you know,
just you know, having the time management and knowing like
what you're doing with your time is valuable for the future.
I guess, like what you're doing now is going to
affect what your year from now looks like. And actually
I guess back to like the mindset and a little
(21:38):
bit of who you are and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I actually had a professor.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I don't think I ever told you, this, but it
was last There was the week before Thanksgiving and we
were in the middle of class. There's a it was
actually a business class, and I sit in the Friday class.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I was on my computer.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I think I was I was handling something with the
mobile home park and I was like zoned out.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I'm like a he on my phone.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And also I heard my name and it was a
professor saying something about he was relating it to a problem.
And he goes, yeah, it's just like Johnny, and I
just like heard that. I'm like, I thought he was
saying like something that Johnny was a name and the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So I kind of look up and he goes, I.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Already know that this kid, you know, looking at him
right now, is said if he if he gets hired
after school, he's.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Gonna get fired in the first week.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
He definitely needs to have his own business so or something.
And I was like, dang, is that, like is that offensive?
And he's like that's a compliment. By the way, I'm
like okay, And I was like looking around like kind
of confused, like what did I miss? I don't know
what just happened, but yeah, I guess it's just kind
of it's a whole different shift of like what I perceive.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And I don't have anything figured out.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I tell you all the time, and you tell me
that you're however old, you don't have your life figured out.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But it is scary.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know, you're graduating. You know, you know you don't
that's not kind of what I believe is like, I
don't think the right thing to do is go out
and find a job and work. Put my forty years
in so now it's like much time to grit down,
put your heels on the ground, and go to work.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I guess, so, yeah, it's gonna be grind.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, And I think I think for other people thinking
that same way, like, hey, I'm graduating soon, I don't
know exactly what I'm gonna do. Like I would just
encourage you if you have a little bit of call
it entrepreneurial spirit or whatever, like learn sales. You know,
go learn how to sell something, sell yourself, sell something
(23:27):
like earn a commission.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You know, long term like learn real estate, Like I
don't know, I learn real estate, learn sales, You're probably
gonna be Okay, sales is going to help you get
into that business potentially. Business is great for making money.
Real estate is great for holding your money. And if
you just learn those two things. Like it's completely different
though than when college teaches you not to bash college
(23:52):
too hard. But it's very much like a's are good,
these are bad, you know, So teach us don't make mistakes. Well,
entrepreneurships is all about make the mistakes and adjust really fast. Right,
And so a good employee from school, right, they limit mistakes,
they weed out mistakes. Well, that's what in a good
(24:14):
employee does. And good employee follows the procedures that the
boss puts in place. Well, the boss made those procedures
from making all the mistakes. And then he's like, nope,
this is the best way to do it. He wants
to find a good employee that can follow that I'm
not and we need we need both people. But if
you are that two or three percent of people, that
(24:37):
is just like man, school is not for me, Like
getting a job kind of like you've probably got a
little bit of a calling to go like learn sales,
learn how to sell something, learn how to portray yourself,
learn how to you know, get out there and make
your own schedule and stuff. So I don't know, and
obviously I could see that with you, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, so that kind of reflects with like and kind
of the thing that's been helping me a lot mentally
and talking with you as a mentor and a few
other my mentors like kind of freaking. I was like, okay,
like you know, I you know, they that's a little
bit of the offended. I was a little offended, Like
you know, I hey, like I could be I could
I could work for someone and I could be really good,
like because if I if I wanted that and if
I want to put my mind to it, like I
(25:18):
feel like I could, I could be the best. That's
just the way I am is. If I'm gonna do something,
I'm gonna I'm gonna be the best one there. And
so That's why I was like, and he's just like
or I was.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Talking to someone. I was like, no, no, he was saying this.
I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But so that's kind of what I uh like talking
with you and some other mentors is like, you don't
have to have your life figured out right now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
And that's what I feel.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So many college students have like the pressure of like
their senior year, like.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, I need to have a job by this time.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I had my internship my junior year, I need to
work with that company, and if I don't, then they
better refer me, I better be good, and just they
put so much pressure on themselves and I had to
practice what I preach because I mean, I'm I put
so much pressure on myself too. But something that my
my grandpa actually said, the same grandpa that did real
estate and work, he actually passes out to my dad
and my dad always tells me too, is he said, like,
(26:06):
as long as your health and your your family's fine.
He said, money it always you always figure it out,
like you're always looking away. So he said, you don't
have to have the bank accounts absolutely stacked and padded
right off the chute, he said, just everything figures itself out.
It's just focus on your family and your health. And
so it's kind of been not like willy nilly, all right,
I stopped worrying about it, like you know, put it
(26:27):
in the back seat. We're not worrying about it. But
it just kind of takes a little weight off your
shoulders and just kind of makes you think, Okay, we're
we're gonna be able to figure things out and down
the road we'll be able to lock it in and
you know, maybe thirty years from now we'll have everything
figured out.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, or even maybe three years from now or five
years from now. It's just sometimes we'll get in our
own head and it's like, shoot, I don't have it
figured out now, and I don't know if I'm gonna
have it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Figured out in two weeks. It's like, well, you're probably not.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Like it's okay, yeah, you know, and you know as
soon as you get it figured out, like I don't know,
in my experience, the more you have it figured out
and the more I'm coasting, the more I'm like, what
is the purpose?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What am I doing?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like this is too easy, this is too comfortable, Like
it's time to shake the tree. It's time to start
something new, right, So I mean you're you know, build
systems and move on to the next thing and always
find that next challenge. But but back to back to freedom,
Like what what do you think.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
The next ten years looks like for you?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, I guess, like you know, going back to that,
it's like I don't know yet, but really, I mean
it's it's just kind of diving in becoming the best
man that I can be.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I mean, the faith fitness. I guess it's kind of
going to your FS.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I mean it is so true though, Like it's truthfully
being a college athlete. Now it's like, you know, pretty
soon the the krans and markers and putting you in
a you know, a stroller to go to go to
lift at this time, this time, and this time. It's
like after you graduate, it's like is this does this
mean a lot to you? So it's going to be
a test, like, you know, these next few years after
(28:03):
I'm not babysitting, you know, going and forced to go
to these lifts and stuff. You know, keep going with
that and you know, stay strong with my faith. I
mean I'm a very faithful man, and I true truthfully
believe that anything that I've done, you know, he's behind
and everything. So I'm just really growing in that sense,
and then I think, you know, the rest will kind
of follow, but you know, staying in path with keep growing,
(28:25):
keep learning like this last uh, this last flip and
this mobile home park transaction is actually paying for my
study a broad trip. It's an entrepreneur study of broad
trip to Europe. And so I'm super excited at going January.
So just keep doing stuff like that, like, you know,
reinvesting whatever I do make and say, you know, I'm
not I don't have you know, stacks of money, but
(28:46):
you know, if I the money that I do get
like what am I doing with that? And if I
invest it into seeing the world a little bit, seeing
different perspectives, seeing how businesses are ran over there, I
feel like that's just gonna benefit for the future. So
just keep growing, keep adding into the portfolios, I guess,
and ultimately learning and making adjustments when needed.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So yeah, yeah, and what would what would what would
this flip? Let's say we flipped this mobile home part
and you cash out you know, five figures, easy, multiple
five figures, Like what what do you think that'll do
to your mindset.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I feel like it's it's gonna be a big win
and I'll probably smile like right away, but then it's
gonna be like right back to the like I don't know,
it's like the entrepreneur sickness. It's like, shoot, now, like
I need more like like that's not like I need to,
you know, do something with this, Like that's not gonna
be it. Like I gotta go do something bigger like
beat that for the next one. So that'll be like
the next grind is you know, diving in. How can
(29:43):
we reinvest this into something that's gonna you know, benefit me,
you know, three years from now and make me smile
the next time because if I if I did that
again or a little less, and it's like, oh, like
I did this one more. So I guess just keep
trying to find that next next edge and making it further.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, yeah, well I think that I think that's going
to happen. I think you know, what, do you graduate
in May? It is now December, so you literally got
one one semester left. Yeah, I'm excited. And even as
you were saying, like your professor said, you're probably gonna
get fired from that job. Someone like me is looking
(30:21):
at someone like you and going, this isn't an employee,
but this is more of a partner that I want
to keep keep on because they'll push themselves. Employees need
push some employees, right, they need really good systems and
they need kind of structure and partners that I want
to partner with. They push themselves, right, I don't you know,
(30:42):
And even if I'm having a down month or a
down week, they're there to push me type of thing.
But anyway, kind of cool, kind of cool. Well, we'll
definitely be fun to have you on in the year
from now again. And now we're three four years into this,
the mobile home park will be stabilized and uh, you know,
(31:04):
cash flowing and doing its thing, or we would have
hopefully already sold it and onto the next, onto the
next thing. So how about how about family? You kind
of jump from faith fitness, which talking about fitness a
little bit. You know, you're you're are hitting the gym,
you're trying to bulk up. I do have a guy
(31:25):
I follow, and he said, out of all of the f's,
the one you probably can control the easiest is your fitness, right,
And it's the one that I would he would recommend
starting with If you're a little lost in life right now,
maybe you're listening to this and you're like, oh, I
don't have it together, start with your fitness, right you.
(31:46):
It takes a ton of discipline, but you can control
what you put in your mouth, and you can control
if you choose to get your heart rate up or
choose to sit.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
On the couch. Right, So start with that one, and it.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Like it's it starts the ball rolling, you know, then
you can start looking into the other things. If you're
upside down in your bank accounts and you're overweight, don't
stress about the bank accounts until you actually get your
heart rate up and get start. You know, do do
thirty days, ten days, two days of working out and
eating healthy and you're going to start to see the
(32:18):
results really quick. But back to you, you know, what's
family look like for the next ten years for you?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like, as far as the family that I already have
or the family that I need to make, I don't know. Yeah,
I guess family's like, you know, number one right behind
or number two, I guess because you know, God comes
first for me, but it's you know, family comes next,
and it's like family first, I guess you say, you know,
although there's you know, many times where they look out
(32:46):
for you, they're you know, looking out for you so much.
And I experienced that kind of at to start a
little bit where they're looking out for you so much,
where they're just like, you know, are you sure, like
is this the right thing? Or I don't, I don't
know about that, and you know, just just because they're
truthfully looking out for you. But then you start doing
this stuff and then they have your back and they
you know, it kind of flips and they're with you
and stuff. And I guess family is just ultimately something
(33:08):
that's gonna you know, encourage you and you know.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Be there for you regardless of anything.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
And ultimately will you know, my family will take my
side if they think they're gonna take my side or
tell me I'm wrong if I'm if I'm wrong. So
I think they're you know, help help with accountability and stuff.
But I guess as far as the future family in
the next ten years, you know, you know, being a
man and uh being a building building, you know, the
best version of yourself and the best version of God
(33:33):
and stuff. You know, you know, ultimately, you know, starting
a family and you know, finding a companion that you
know is along for the ride and okay to put
up with some wild, wild dreams and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
So I guess that's kind of the picture person.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
But yeah, you obviously haven't come from a really good family,
same family as my wife, and I think it's pretty cool.
And I'm not saying you get to take credit for
your parents getting into real estate a little bit with
their with their Airbnb, but I'll bet you had an
impact on them getting into real estate, right and maybe
(34:08):
maybe not, but the fact that now and even last
couple of weeks ago, we went home for Thanksgiving and
I got to talk to your parents about their cabin, like,
that's pretty cool. I go to my Thanksgiving and I
talked to my brother about his eleven or twelve units
he's up to that he had zero before I started, right,
And I talked to my other brother who owns a
multi family apartment building. I talked to my other brother
(34:30):
who's got some real estate. And I talked to my
sister who's got some real And I'm not saying it
has to be about real estate, but to your point,
when you first jump in. There is this Oh be careful, Johnny,
be careful, play it safe. That's risky, and that's that's
not because they're intentionally holding you back. They're just trying
to look protect too, right. But if you can persevere
(34:53):
and you can get through it and you can have
a couple of wins, all of a sudden, they're like,
holy smokes, Johnny's working a lot, not getting paid, but
he's always smiling, Like I like that, right, And then
you finally get paid a little bit, and now they're going, oh, shoot,
there's something to this. Oh shoot, do I want to
stay where I'm at for thirty more years? Or should
I maybe take a little bit of that risk? So
(35:15):
I think that that just stick it out. You're going
to see a lot more of that, and you're such
a you know, bright shining person that it's going to
touch a lot of people, Like I don't know, I
just obviously I you know, that's why I'm attracted to
working with you and everything as well. But it's just
like stick stick that out, and uh, it definitely highlights
(35:37):
a lot of the down self negative self talk we
have in our heads, like is this worth this?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Should we be doing this? Should I just go get
that job?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Maybe, but you know, I think the tiny you know,
if you get one win out of every ten kicking
the balls, like it's kind of worth it, right, It's fun.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Like I mean, the kicking the balls is humbling, and
it's it's kind of after you get it's just like ah,
it's like it's like a cold plunge. It sucks in
the moment, but then right after you get out, it's like, oh,
this is all right, here we go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So yeah, yeah, so oh shoot, the furnace went out,
and then you fix the furnace and you're like, damn,
I just fixed the furnace.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, It's like it's pretty cool, right, and so yeah,
I would just I would stick it out.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Wrapping up though, because we didn't really talk about your
charity much. Talk talk a little bit about why you
started the charity, what the charity is, and what the
charity has kind of taught you. In the same kind
of breath as like this entrepreneurship journey you're on.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I mean this this is
you know, i'd say, who who am I? And you
know this it comes back to Hayman's Helping Hands, which
is the name of the charity, and it just ultimately
it's it's truthfully started behind, you know, making the baseball team,
you know, Dan helping me buy my first house, and
me looking back and being like, you really can do
anything you want to do.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You just got to do it.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And so then I, you know, always I always had
like this, uh, you know, dream of starting this because
I guess back, my brother was diagnosed with a very
rare form of bone cancer back when we were young.
I was in eighth grade and my little sister and
you know he's obviously in high school, older sisters in
high school. We get, you know, just slammed by a
semi in November about this diagnosis, and it you know,
(37:16):
we're super tight knit, close family, always spending Christmas at home.
They came with their you know, their plans for the
treatment and stuff, which was it was a hail Mary
throat really and so they they came with that, and
you know, we're looking at the treatment.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Planet's the first treatment.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
He has to spend Christmas in the hospital, and we're
just kind of looking around like, oh my, like we
just got hit.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
By this news.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
We're like not even settled in like this is like
everything is just hey, why are our minds aren't in
the right again a good spot at all? And now
we're gonna be away for Christmas. But Mayo Clinic and
Saint Mary's Children's Hospital in Rochester, Minnesota, they made it
like absolutely amazing, like not even just for my brother,
which most important importantly my brother, like you know, they
made him comfortable, they made him have a good Christmas,
(37:57):
but they made it like wonderful for me and my
siblings as well, like my little sister or older sister,
even my parents. And so it didn't even feel like
it was like a negative. It was a positive. And
so I guess kind of turning every negative into a
positive is a big life lesson like what what what
can we get out of this? Or how can we
smile through this? And so I always wanted to find
(38:18):
a way to give back. I feel like giving back
is you know, truth will be important in life in general,
but especially as an entrepreneur business. I think it's a
necessity actually, and so so I you know, I bought there,
uh made the baseball team, bought this first house, and
then I was like you know what, like I can
do this, like let's just let's just go do it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And so I got with a mentor.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
She helped me out with, Uh, actually, my original plan
was I'm gonna I'm gonna buy a grill with some
summer money I got, you know, summer money, five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
That was a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Like, you know, I'm gonna go spend this and I'm
gonna raffle it off and maybe make a thousand and
we're just gonna donate it to the hospital and say
go buy Christmas presents. And so I went and told
that to my mentor, and you know, she's not entrepreneur too,
and she kind of opened the door to like a
whole nother universe, like seven planets, and she's just like, oh,
so you're saying this, this, this and this and this
and this, and I was just like, yeah, yeah, that's
(39:11):
not like you know, wow, like I can well, that's
that's way bigger than I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And so then we kind of just launched it.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
She's like, come up with a name, and first thing
that came to my head was Hayman's Helping Hands, and
uh yeah, so we make it our mission to ensure
that every child who spends Christmas in the hospital receives
the best Christmas possible, and so she helped me organize
how to make it become an actual nonprofit organization.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
So we're a five oh one C three.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
So I guess running it just like a business, like
I'm the founder and president, my brother obviously taking him
along that we made through this journey. He's a co
founder and vice president. And we go around and just
raise money around, sell sponsorships to businesses and you know,
help encourage other people to give back to a good cause.
And I mean selling to companies and you know, giving back,
(39:57):
I guess and I feel that you know, the more
you or the more you give, the more you get.
And it's not the more you get in money, it's
like the more you get. And I mean at the
end of the day, like faith everything, God's gonna you know,
cherish you, and He's gonna you really truthfully giving to
get more like you're getting smiles from other people, you're
getting happiness, and I just I think that's uh can
(40:18):
go like rise above.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Any monetary value.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
So yeah, I guess that's kind of where the foundation
in the started out of my dorm room. I remember
sitting there building the logo and stuff in my dorm room.
And then the two years, we just had the two
year mark of it kind of being going since the
unofficial start time, and we've done just over seventy thousand
dollars just in that So it's been a journey, but
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Super cool. And that's coming up next.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Week, right you you take your parents and your siblings
and you go load up crap.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
It'll be the twenty third this year.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
So the twenty it's a kind of falls my brother's
birthdays and actually quick it so it kind of falls
on he actually gets to spend his birthday, you know,
doing doing given and it's kind of it's kind of
surreal and emotional, I guess too, because you know, you
were there and seeing like we were in the same shoes,
and so many families see they talk to my parents
and my moms, you know, usually crying and talking to
(41:11):
the moms that are you know, going through at the time,
and just like they feel just seeing like the smiles
and the true hope of like seeing someone that has
you know, made it this far through the journey like this.
You can see the hope through their their faces and
their expressions, which which is truthfully amazing.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I guess so, And I mean, but you it's still
just mostly a family thing. Or how many how how
many people does it take really to go spend thirty
thousand or ten thousand or twenty thousand or whatever you
got to spend to get all those gifts?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
And how many vehicles to haul the gift? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Like what, actually I got a I actually need to
be I've been working on a trailer sponsorship and you know,
finding someone to you know, sponsor a trailer. I'm honestly
gonna have to go out and buy one and then
try finding a sponsor to wrap it later. But so
if anyone's interested in sponsoring a nonprofit trade, then they
can definitely hit me up. But uh yeah, so it
usually results in my dad's truck absolutely stacked full of
(42:07):
presents because we set out boxes around the community and
encourage people to get involved around here during this time.
But we also, you know, accept donations from businesses and
we raise money through golf outings and we have a
pub crawl this weekend in my college town, so we
raise money that way.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
But yeah, it's just our our family stacked with presents.
We dropped the first load off.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Then we make you know, two or three or four
trips back from the hospital to uh target and just
buying presents that we think that the children are gonna
love and things that we we like helped us get
through and stuff like that in the times when we
were there. So I mean, I wouldn't say it's it's
just our family though, because I mean it's it's it's
honestly the community that supports and donates and comes out
(42:48):
shows up and it just buys into the cause and
loves loves seeing you know, children, you who don't have
the most ideal situation in Christmas, but you know, want
to want to make their days a little brighter.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
So it takes it makes everyone.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
But yeah, our family is truthfully there and Rochester and
we're there, you know, having a lot of fun buying
presence and going there and telling her story.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So I love it. Man.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Well, any final remarks otherwise we'll wrap this one up today,
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I think I guess we can always we can always
finish it with if anyone has a distressed property that
they want to sell, they can contact me.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, if you gotta got a
property you need to sell. Hit up myself for Johnny
and let us know you heard it through this podcast
and we'll yeah, we'll even pay a finder speed. But
any who, that wasn't We don't want to tack that
onto your fun charity story. That was better, so
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Awesome, man, I appreciate you popping on here, absolutely
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