The Philadelphia Eagles' bid for an undefeated season is officially done after a disappointing performance against the Denver Broncos. Self-inflicted mistakes, such as bad penalties and poor execution, along with operational issues, allowed the Broncos to come back and secure the upset win. In this week’s Eagles Talk, we dive deep into everything that occurred and how the Eagles can bounce back.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Everybody. Welcome man. This is a week five edition of
Eagles Talk. Crushing, disappointing, a lot of things to talk about.
Loss to the Denver Broncos yesterday, ultimately they go down
twenty one to seventeen. Had a chance to win at
the end. Did not come to fruition where less hit
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I am Rob Brigman. We have p Y Peter Young
Les Bowen beyond just a few minutes give his thoughts
on the game. But let's start with our poll question.
We'll throw it to you.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It was. Let's see, I could bring it up anyway. Pee,
Why what's going on? What did you think about the
game yesterday? A few quick opening thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I mean, it sucked. It was it was heart wrenching.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You know, once again, Jamealen looks really good in the
second half. We don't run it all in the and
are really good in the first half. We don't run
it all in the second half.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
As usual.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Kem Patulo has absolutely uh no finger on the pulse,
which is was my same issue with Brian Johnson.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The on line can't can't stop anything. Dickerson's hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Let's dive into our poll question. The missed deep shot
to A J. Brown the biggest reason the Eagles lost
to Denver Broncos. What do you think about that? I
think that's ridiculous. That is not not no.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
In no way shape or for him, Like is it?
Did they jam overthrow him a little bit? Yeah? Did
aj stop running the route properly? Yeah? But there were
also there were other plays. I think the refs played
the part into it.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm not saying they're not the reason we lost, but
there was some There was some poor officiating in that game,
like the the myss, the missed play just to start
the game, the fumble that was that was a fumble.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's the the exact same play in the Bengals game.
That's a fumble. I don't understand how that's an incomplete pass.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The Jahan Dotson playing on the on the left hand
hash mark, that's a that's a complete that's completed ass
he had two feet down.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
The fact that they picked up the uh, the rough
or I'm sorry, the intentional grounding call when the whole
purpose of the new review system this year is to
go over that and they just ignored it and they
picked it up and they gained some nonsense about that.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's really bad.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Another thing is I don't understand, like, while we missed
a few deep shots, we missed the damant Smith wall,
we missed the aj Brown wand the Johan Dotson one.
Like there are still other opportunities to win this game,
but you're not gonna win the game. I understand that
we were not running the ball effectively right now. I
still would have tried to run the ball a little
bit in the second half because like, let's say they're
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not because after the wheel route, whether we have like four.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Or five nothing, they did nothing. Had the four or.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Five series where it was combined thirty yards right, combined
thirty yards right. So let's say we still did that. Like,
let's say we still had combined thirty forty yards. Whenever,
over those four or five series, let's say we run
the football and at least we get to kill the
clock a little bit, so like Denver doesn't have a
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chance to like maybe they don't have the chance to
kick that field.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well, maybe we keep the lead a little bit because
it's so close.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Another issue I have is there's no reason Jalen Hurshaud
they only have two runs, Like, I don't understand how
in the first four games he had an average of
ten QB runs, whether they're designed or not, Like, there's
no reason when nobody because whenever nobody else is getting open,
like whenever we're having trouble running the ball, he is
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always able to get his He is always able to
make that big splash play with his legs. That makes
no sense to me. Another thing that made no sense
is in the first were you run that little gadget play.
You know, he's running to the right hand side and
he's finding gathered and we're hitting it every time. I
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don't understand where there's none of that creativity in the
second half.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I think a lot of it is.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Just Kevin Botuo just he just doesn't know what he's doing.
Like the offense is predictable, like they were talking about
on First Take today, they were talking about how this
is the most predictable offense in the NFL, and it is.
The routes aren't complex. It's everything is taking too long
to develop. We can't block for shit. Everyone's hurt, which
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is a big problem. Dickerson's hurt, which I think is
a blessing because he's gonna need some time. He needs
to get healthy. Jurgens even said it today. He's like,
I'm not where I need to be. I'm still hurt.
I'm still recovering from my busted back from the NFC
Championship Game slash the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well, I got understand you're gonna look at.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Certain things in this game, but like, oh, you know,
with Jalen hurt today, j Brown, they got on the
sand page.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know that they would have won that game. Maybe
if you had a little.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Bit better play calling in the second half, we probably
win the game. If you put the hands the ball
in the hands.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Of your quarterback. To make a big splash play instead of.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Just going eight straight pass calling pass plays, maybe you
win the game.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I just they were.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Even talking about it today and they're just like McNabb
was on and he was already like, oh, you know,
and there's a there's a deeper issue with Jene with
Hurts and a j.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Brown. I'm like, well, yeah, right, you stopped the stick
in your nose and it when it does nothing.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
To do with you or you know in my experience,
you mean the experience where you didn't once stick up
for your teammate and you kind of shafted them every
chance you got because yet you were jealous.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
The quarterback is not He's not you. Jay with Hurts
is not you. Five. He's not jealous. He's not gonna put.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
His feelings and his emotions first as opposed to what
you did. But like, there are just other opportunities to
win this game. They just fell short. You were playing
with you were lighting a match every week and guess
what you got birth this week.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's all it is. At the end of the day, you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Can't play stupid games, gets stupid prizes. That's one hundred
percent when happen. That's why we lost.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
To the poll question deep shot, the misshut deep shot,
the AJ is the biggest weak. No, the biggest reason
they lost is because they cannot block worth anything. Whether
it's health, whether it's execution, I don't know. But this
offensive line is nowhere near a top five unit in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Nowhere near.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And that's why they've been a successful franchise over the past.
Where ten ten years, last decade they've had a top
offensive line, top offensive unit, offensive line unit in the NFL.
It's just not it's top twenty maybe maybe, and that
maybe that might even be a stretch with what's going on.
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They cannot run the football. They cannot run the football.
They could call eight run plays in a row with
how they're blocking up front right now, they would get
eight yards, maybe less than eight yards because I don't
know that they would gain positive yards that they called it.
So now you're boxing and to throwing the football because
you have to. You gotta do something to move the
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ball to try and make it easier. Teams are also
playing the run, like playing the Eagles to stop the
run and making Jalen beat him, and he almost did yesterday.
He was twenty three of thirty eight for two hundred
and ninety yards. That's not good. If you have thirty
eight throwing attempts, you need to have well over three
hundred yards. So that's an execution problem on offense. That's
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probably the second reason that they lost the football game yesterday.
Offensive execution absolutely pathetic. Kevin Bittulau looked like he scripted
about twelve twenty plays that were good and got him
the lead, and then he didn't know what to do.
Wait when Sean Payton got in the lab when they
were up ten to three at halftime, and Sean Payton
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adjusted and this coaching staff didn't. So there's number three.
Your coaches have been for lack of a for generally speaking.
I know they adjusted well in the Rams game, but
generally speaking, your coaching staff has been outdueled big time
in the second half by coaches like Todd Bowles and
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Sean McVay, and even Dallas was charging to win that
game in week one. So that's number three. The aja
AJ is gonna need to have a couple of big
games in a row and all this will be all
this will be recent so distant memory.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So they had a two out supposedly they had a
two hour conversation today. It's him, It's it's Jalen, it's Saquon,
And you can.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Just tell, like, is not happy with this.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't give a ship that they're that they're having
cuddle club and talking about what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But it's not even about It's not about cuddle club.
Here's the thing that's that tells you that this is
not a huge issue.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
All they're doing is talking. They're talking about it.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
You have to talk about it though, Like, if this
was an issue, a larger issue, and we needed to
press the red panic button, it would be everyone is
refusing to talk. Everyone is refusing to have conversations with themselves,
and maybe a j would be doing like sit ups
in this goddamn driveway because of how bad things are.
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The fact that they're willing to sit down and have
conversations with each other shows that they're willing to move
past things.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And work on stuff and things right, that's a good sign.
That's a great sign for things to move forward.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Obviously, they have to put it together on the field.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Watch do you not watch press conferences? He had press
conference yesterday where he.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Said, well, did you talk to Jay when after the game, Nope,
did you talk to me in the huddle?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That's not good.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
If that continued, that would be a blow up. Something
is gonna blow up right in front of their faces.
The fact that they're willing to sit in the room
and have conversations with each other and have tough conversations
because guess what, there are people who are I'm like
brothers with and having to be the work environment that
could cause problems, that could cause stress, that can put
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a strain in relationship. Like you could be cool with
people at your job and then have people who you're
like brothers with outside of the job. Once you merge
those two things, it doesn't always work. Sometimes it's like
fire and ice. Like my dad's one of my favorite
people in the whole world, but like it's tough for
us to work with each other because we're too much.
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We're super similar, and we butt heads at times. Like
that could be what it is. But if it's a
continuous problem and you're not talking, the worst any any
marriage counselor would tell you the biggest red flag that
you're headed for a divorce is when you're absolutely refusing
to talk to each other. The fact that they're willing
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to set differences as high, they're willing to take the time,
they're willing to have a two out. It's not like
a ten minute conversation. That don't mean shit to me.
You sat for ten minutes, it don't mean dick. But
the fact you're willing to sit in the room for
two hours and try and figure this out is a
good sign that it's salvagable and you can figure this
shit out and right this ship.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I mean, the offense needs to start pulling their weight
because keep them in in every game a defense spin fan.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Start bearing the cornerback out because he's doing everything he
possibly can.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I'm seeing people, Oh no, he's not playing well. What
he's having this read?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He played great yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He's having his best year since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Like like, he's doing everything you could possibly ask of
him to that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
He's protecting the football, he's he's coming up big big.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
He played okay yesterday. I don't think you played great with.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That offensive line right now, they're not They can't block
for shiit.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Jalen Hurtz makes a hundred and twenty million dollars a year.
Whatever the heck he makes he's overcome adversity. It's not
always gonna be peaches and cream for Jail.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Jalen Hurt's breathing is gonna get him. Like criticism, let's let's.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Just let's just cause sabe this bathe like when he
plays well.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
When he plays well, it's not good enough. When he
underperforms slightly, it's not good enough. When he wins a
super Bowl, it's not good enough. When he's Super Bowl MVP,
it's not good enough. If he throws for three hundred yards,
it's a loss on him. When he throws for a
buck fifty two touchdowns and he wins the game in
the big moment, that's.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All I don't I don't know what we're seeing in him.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm just saying, Jalen Hurts is gonna have to prove
those critics wrong the t that's.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
What's their proof.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Overcome over.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Daily proof. Please tell me what there is the proof.
He's been there two Super in three years, he's been.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
To the playoffs every year that he's been the starter, Like,
there's nothing to prove.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
This needs to be better. He needs to be better.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Everybody needs to be better.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Justin willing to even have a conversation about it.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Everyone needs to be better as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That's something that's like saying, wow, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I have a I don't need to get like everybody
needs to play better.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
He played well, like he gave them opportunities to He
played okay, Like whether what are we doing here? Like
they can't block their game.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I already talked about that. Landon Dickers is not getting
healthy anytime soon unless he takes significant time off. All Right,
I don't know what's going on with Cam jurkids. So
he's gonna have to He's gonna have to get this.
They're gonna have to get this thing going with a
middle of the pack offensive line, is my point.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
There for one. Despite that, there there for one, he's overcoming.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Clearly he didn't yesterday. Clearly they didn't win. Inconsistencies when
you keep they didn't win yesterday. So now now it's
time to look in the face and taking an inventory
of everything offensively.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
How about the play caller having a finger on the poles.
How about the play caller like expanding, here.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Let's hear what less bone, Let's see what less bone
has to say. Bone on birds, Eagles talk, mister lest Bowen.
Tensions are obviously high here Philly stink. The Eagles didn't
play good at all. Yesterday. We had our pole question
about the miss deep shot by A. J. Brown. Me
and p Why both concurred that that was not the
main reason they lost the game. Offensive line play is
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the reason they lost the game for me, and the
reason why this team is in a funk because it's
not it's not a top five unit like it's been
in years past.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
That's certainly true, Rob, But I got with penalties as
the reason they lost the game. They took nine penalties,
six of them were offensive penalties, and only one of
them occurred in a drive that where they ended up
scoring points. So they shut down a bunch of drives
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by getting behind the sticks. Everybody was so upset about
the lack of running. You know, which second and thirteen
or third and seven did you want to run on?
You know, and you just can't take penalties like that.
And it was their good players, you know, the two
guards each took a penalty. They're not they're good players.
But the other penalties were by DeVante Smith, Saquon Barkley,
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AJ Brown and shoot Barkley, Brown, Davante, and I forget
that one when anyway, it was all they were all,
you know, they were all self inflicted. The offensive line
does need to be a lot better, particularly when it
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comes to run blocking, and I think that's really why
they don't have a great run game right now, is
they can't block it. But getting back to the poll question,
they would have won that game if aj had run
under that ball, But I still don't think that's the
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that paper's over a lot of shortcomings for me. You know,
I disagree vehemently with Rob about Jalen Hurts. I really
think if guys catch passes, if they run under passes
that were catchable, if you know, Barkley gets his feet
set and a thirty yard completion on four and four
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is an overturned I kind of think Jalen Hurts had
a hell of the day, but you know, there was
some sacks that he didn't need to take. But other
than that, I had no problem with him at all.
I don't think it was his fault that they lost
the penalties. Penalties and letting and three and out and
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making the defense play seventy four snaps and just grinding
it into dust. Those were the reasons they lost in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There's Chris Kaufman on YouTube, Saquan hit that seventeen yard
run and then only one rush for the ENTI that
one that counted.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
He got a There was at least one more that
was erased by a penalty, and he got a forty
seven yard touchdown catch, which counts as much as the
ones should get run.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
You're right, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
But again, which second and thirteen or third and seven
did you want him to run on? You know, I
mean they were behind the sticks the whole second half.
They could not run a sequence without taking a penalty,
and they took the drive after the Broncos would have
had eighteen seventy. They took two penalties. First it was
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the legal guard down field on the eight yard pass
to DeVante, and then it was then finally they get
to fourth and four and it's the thirty yard miracle
to DeVante that gets called back on a technicality. They
had nothing to do with the play, but they did it.
There's no reason, my sake, one Barkley's heat should not
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be set. Uh you know, I you're right, Chris Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
That's the kind of game they played. They just didn't
have any kind of rhythm or any kind of They
stumbled over their own feet the whole second half, pretty
much after the after they made it seventeen to.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Three att Berg. No one's saying Smith and Brown are
great one on one and in man coverage, but against zone,
you can tell they're just slow. No, yeah, they're not
just slow.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I think the route concepts against zone are very problematic
to me. And I'm not a big X and O guy,
but I don't see them getting guys open against Yah.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
They never get anyone open there. It's boring.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
It's it's not it's not exciting, it's everyone can tell
what they're doing. Like, that's why they're they're not able
to They're not able to scheme anyone open.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Any other offensive coordinator can scheme guys open by us.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I've never understood it, And maybe it has to do
with the philosophies, maybe, but what that's also why I
didn't want another guy in here who's off the same mindset.
You can say whatever you want, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Right about that, man. I I kind of resisted that
thinking because I thought the Tulloh was a solid part
of what they were doing, you know, and what they
were doing, you know, they won the Super Bowl. So
I thought, well, it's okay, But it's not okay. It's
it's like having two knicks.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Out there, you know, building though for four years. Right, Yeah,
it's all.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
The exact thought processes.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Though it was Nick's offense last year. They just ended
up running the ball a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Kellen Moore didn't change the offense.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I think he added his sprinkles here and there.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
There was a lot, yes, running his offense.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I think it was a different offense than they ran
in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Like I think it was a little bit the playbook
was opened up a little bit more, was a little
bit more complicated.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
It wasn't it was much smarter like it was much
the finger like you had a veteran who knew what
to call and when to call it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
This wasn't someone like Brian Johnson where it's like, all right,
I'm on first intended the goal line. What am I doing? Yep?
Kenny gave me run the first down. That's what I'm running.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And you bring up a good point because one of
their major problems yesterday, the reason for the Barkley penalty,
and a lot of the problems that they have is
they get plays in with like eight seconds left on
the play card and run up to the line and
then Barkley's trying to do this motion where he goes
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all the way over and comes all the way back,
and they're trying to snap the ball because they're going
to get a delay of game on fourth down. You know,
I mean, that's not a smooth operation.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm gonna say, I gotta score more than seventeen points.
Scored seventeen points, So he's absolutely right about that.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
I think that that was a good defense they were facing.
But nonetheless, they had seventeen points. Again midway through the
third quarter, you know, they were doing just fine, everybody.
That's my biggest thing is if you'd asked me midway
through the third quarter, I'd say, well, this is probably
the best game they've played in some ways because Denver's good,
you know, and they're not scoring a lot, but Denver's
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defense is really respectable and Denver only has three points.
You know, this is really you know, for game five,
this is all right? And then did anyone else feel
that way? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I just felt I was there Unfortunately, you just felt
like you're letting them hang around. You're letting him hang around.
That's what happens when you let an underdog layer.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You just kept sitting yourself in the foot, like the
fact that like was even talking about it that like
jaylem is the person who brought up the the wheel route,
great call. I wouldn't know why you didn't decide to
call a second time because I think that would have
called them off guard.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Like it was inaudible, he could tell one and he
switched into that play and again that doesn't reflect well
on the people.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well, he said, go back to uh, mixed bag screens.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
I'm in favor.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, drop a long or two, mixing some runs. I
mean yeah, that's all the times to like, they'll find
the formula. They need to find the twenty twenty five
formula that works, because they yet they'll.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Making stupid penalties. They have three false starts at home.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
They'll call screens all freaking day except for wake when
they need to call a screen. Yeah all right, second second,
A nobody's really expecting anything.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Maybe maybe throw a screen in there. See what happens.
You know, who were throwing it with? Who's our swoleest
wide receiver. That guy, he's gonna get the screen, Davonte.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Or let's make sure we have Grant Calcata blocking walking.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's all right, that's what's getting him involved. What they
really are, it seems like they go out of their
way to get like packages because he's.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
No second tight end. That's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
And of course he was out after like the midway
through the second quarter yesterday, so they walk.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
He couldn't block me.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
But some of the stuff they tried to do. Did
you see the sack. I'm pretty sure it was his sack.
It was either a sack or a run that was
thrown for a big loss where Dallas Goddard was trying
to get to a defensive lineman who was like eight
yards away from him, and he's like throwing himself at
the guys. The guy runs past, he's Dallas Goddard. Maybe
he didn't line up in the right spot. I have
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no idea, but the ball is snapped and Dallas Goddard
has no shot at getting to this guy that he's
got a book.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I didn't notice it at the stadium only wan I
can only stomach watching half the DVR replay.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Yeah, I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I mean I'm sitting there watching it like a jerk off,
Like I know, like I'm just gonna get mad again.
I know what's coming.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Maybe it'll turn out different this time.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh I didn't. Here's Matt Berg last. Why don't the
Eagles have Jalen go under center more on first and
second downs or at all? Understanding understanding Jalen can't do
it or maybe not want to, they'll extend the run
game and the offense. Yeah, it's the scheme.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Well, one issue they do have. I don't know the
answer to Matt's question, but I will say they always
run under center, and they almost always run and pistol,
and they almost always passing shotguns. So that makes it
pretty simple for the.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Other The way they run everything is very it's very simple.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You just know exactly what are going to run and
if you catch them off guard, great, But otherwise they
kind of have an idea of what you're gonna do,
and if you beat them, you beat them.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, John Malmos, I mean, got the New York Giants
coming up on another show.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, I don't think there's any why Dickerson plays with
a yeah, I might let Dickerson sit for several weeks. Frankly, uh,
I didn't think Toath was terrible. He's not Nickerson. Of course,
he was all right and he's happy.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
That's the one thing Dickerson's not right now where we're
at right now with him, I might be like, we'll
see you after the bye.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Take this is this is what happens when you win
the Super Bowl. Guys have, for instance, Cam Jurgens. I
was reading about this today. So Cam Jurgens had back
surgery after the Super Bowl. Well, because the Eagles were
in the Super Bowl, he had back surgery six weeks later.
Then he would have had it, maybe even two months later.
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Then he would have had it had they not made
the playoffs. So Cam Jurgens is still recovering from that
back surgery, and he admitted it yesterday, you know, and
you just have to live with that. I mean, it's
nobody's fault. But that's why teams don't repeat as Super
Bowl champions. There's guys out there. You Carter's got a shoulder.
He's playing with a bad shoulder. Maybe you sit him
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for a week or two, I don't know, but right now,
you don't have the team that won the Super Bowl.
You just don't.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That's a good segue into the defense, because the defense
was lights out and then terrible. Well the defense could yesterday.
You lot twenty one points at home, you should win.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Yeah, but every drive in the fourth quarter they couldn't
stop anything. They just you know, and they took penalties
to the bond thing. I know it's frustrating to people,
but that's a penalty. I mean, I know what he
was thinking. This guy's just short of the first down.
I've got to stop him from creeping forward. But he's
on the ground and you just kind of, you know,
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you get your arm down and you roll or something.
You don't. You don't go down on top of him
like that. If they had done that to an eagle,
we would have been screaming, buddy brother.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, oh well, we just talked about the injury bug.
I also want to have him called that last John
almost less. Will how I do anything before the trade deadline?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Oh yeah, I think he'll try to. I don't know
what rush, yeah, edge rush. Still, even though they signed
Zadarius Smith, they need something else. They frankly could use
a defensive tackle unless they're gonna let Robinson play, which
they don't seem to want to do. Offensive line. I
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you know, if these many guys are banged up, I
don't know, but you have to have some I mean,
it's it's it's great for him to want to do it,
but there has to be something out there that's available
that well.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
That's the problem is people just think you can trade
to trade them like there has to there has to
be someone out there that wants to trade with you,
and there has to be someone out there you want
like otherwise you get like a stupid trade for like
Robert Quinn.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And lots of times it's not because they're idiots and
they traded for Robert Quinn. It's because there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It's like you're looking at the bargain basement after the
big sale. Yeah, there's a couple of mismatched socks if
you want to buy those.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I keep seeing people say that, oh, ringo socks, we
have to go get another corner, and I'm like, yeah,
he's he's he's been.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Wow, he's your guy.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh. I think it was okay.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yesterday he was great, he was Okay, I'll go with.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
You this far he is as he keeps playing, I
see the potential for him to get better. You were
saying last week he's still twenty three years old, and okay,
that makes sense to me. I mean, Darie Jackson is thirty.
You know, it makes sense to me that. Really, but
Rigo's not good. I mean, he's okay, And he's a
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guy that you could call a PI on him almost
any time downfield. He always has his hands on the
other guy, and sometimes it's mutual fighting and sometimes it's
just him grabbing the guy. They could have called one
on him right before halftime. That would have been a disaster,
you know. I mean, but he's not terrible.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I mean he's I just need him to be serviceable,
Like I think we forget, like what you need a
CB two to be like.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Because I think last year was a unicorn.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Spoiled everybody last year, Like do we forget? Like I
was looking this up in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like Bradbury gave up like eight hundred.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yards of like eleven tds as your cornerback too, Can
he not?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Can he give up? Like if he like if he gives.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Up like less than three hundred yards and or four
hundred let's say four hundred to be concervative, less than
four hundred yards of like three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know what, he.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Had a good year, Like, that's a that's a that's
numbers I can take for my CB two.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Like I keep hearing people like, we gotta go get somebody.
Who are you getting? Who are you getting that they're
just trading away?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Who are you getting that's gonna when are they complicated
vic Fangio system on the fly unless it's somebody who
already knows the system.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's tough, it really is.
And uh, you know, maybe a position chain, maybe slim
down to Kobe Dean and have him play corner.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'm one of those guys.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
People still on that hill, like whether it's Killy Ringo
or one of the guys that's hurt right now, one
of them will We'll take the bull by the horns
and they'll they'll be the quarterback to what he's like,
Mitchell Mitchell was really good. I thought again yesterday, No
he was not.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Mitchell Mitchell had a big problem with that with Courtland Sutton.
But in the first half, Sutton's really good and the
defense just got run ragged. I mean, you just can't
to me the fourth quarter for the defense. You just
can't expect that I saw today. I knew it was
seventy four snaps for the defense. What I'd forgotten was
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or I didn't really have it. At the top of
my mind was seventy two snaps last week in Tampa
and the heat you know they have, just they're gonna
pound this. That's a real danger here, is that you're
gonna screw up this defense and get people hurt just
because the offense isn't working. That can happen, you know,
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and I see that danger all right.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Less. Is this offense fixable or are we in for
just a stare in at paint dry every week?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
It's absolutely fixable, you know. I think Jalen Hurts with
no penalties and with guys running to catch the ball,
could have thrown for three hundred and fifty yards four
touchdowns yesterday. You know, people who say he's not capable
of that, I know that he is.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Do your job and don't do stupid shit, as he
gives you a chance to win every single week. How
about the part of the season everyone was crowding Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
What does he look like the last two weeks like
he's crossed.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
You know, they do have a lot of problems. They
do have. The petula problem is a problem, and the
offensive line, particularly with run blocking, is a problem big
and they have to get those problems sorted. They have
to get some o lining healthy. Uh, you know it's
the offense is definitely fixable. There's nothing. You know, they're
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not trying to throw it to Travis Fulgem or anything.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Whoa, whoa, les, Let's not take it back.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
The way you see that. You see Carson Wentz throwing
to Justin Jefferson Sunday. I bet Carson was like, yeah,
I was gonna do this five years ago.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
But we we're this close.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
We're this close to Jalen versus Carson.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, I need it for my mental and physical health.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Carson. It's not a fair fight.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
They will kill him, he'll do something.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
He's a dirt well, I don't care.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
It'll be it'll be a it'll be carnage if they
do face him. Yes, but he's not He's not terrible
for a backup quarterback. He's actually pretty good. But yeah,
he's not athletic anymore, and that was his biggest.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Speaking of the schedule, I mean it opens up here
a little bit. You have Giants, Giants, Vikings, Giants.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I still don't see the Panthers or the Jets really
really awful things. These are teams that you know they're
not good, But yeah, the Giants could give you a
good game on a short week.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So you got to you gotta be on your toes
for the vision.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well, I mean five weeks through the season. If you
if you told me before and.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
One, I'd be a static play ready to play the
Giants for and one, I'm good to go.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
And nobody crucial is out for the season or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
So yeah, it should be pretty am I am I
wrong in saying that it should be pretty easy for
this team to get the seven and one before the
bye week.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Don't ever say easy. They don't. They don't have an.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Easy could be seven and one before the bye week though, correct.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
They could be. Yeah, I think there's a good chance
at that.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And you know, I think, And it gets and then
the schedule gets fun again. Yeah at Green Bay and
then uh Detroit at home both.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
But you got to get healthy and you got to
get into gear. Detroit is really the team everybody talks
about Green Bay. Detroit, I guess gets dismissed because of
what they did in the playoffs last year. But I've
seen Detroit a little bit this season, and Detroit looks
darn good to me. So we'll just see.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
See if they can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, all right, let's uh any final thoughts before we
let you go?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Well, just that, uh you know, it's did you see
the Phillies tonight?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Oh my god, no, I did. I was at the.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
No game three. Thank you for not making me care.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
They were down for one. In the ninth, they got
two runs. Castianos doubled in two runs. It's four to three.
Castianis is on second with nobody out. That time run
they bunted, which they knew they didn't pinch run for
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castianis the slowest man on the team, so he gets
thrown out at third base. Subsequently, Harrison Baders singles. So
if you'd had like a real pinch runner going from
second to third on the bunt, or if you just
had a real pinch runner on second base, they would
have scored the time run. But they didn't, and the
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Phillies lost.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That's my final and that's what they're and that's where
they're going with the going with Aaron Nola and.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
I guess, but it doesn't matter at this point. They're
not going to beat the Dodgers three straight.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
There's just to let Robertson go in and get four
outs while Ranger Suarez just sits, sits around and does
nothing during.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Maybe Ranger could have pinch run tonight. That would have
been an idea.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
You would there have been a worse idea.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
All right, last, well, thank you for joining to see
you guys.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
We're at a spot next.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Week will hopefully, yeah, hopefully we can get it right
against the Giant here. Anyway, have a good night lest
you too. Take care all right, pee Y, So obviously
Less had a lot to say, I mean, moving forward,
I asked Less. I guess you chimed in a little bit.
But officially, is this offense fixable? Yes? This isn't just
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pushback a little bit.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
This isn't twenty twenty three where Jalen's fumbling all over
the place. He's not throwing interceptions every three passes. You know,
he's not making dumb football plays. Like trying to play
hero ball. He's playing smart. Look the offense you can
call better play calling. You can sit in a lad
and be like, all right, I like this.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I don't like this. Let's fix this up. You know,
maybe you go.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Out and get another tight hand who can a little
better to help you out. You know, like, there's there's
going any things you can do to make this offense better.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You just have to be smarter.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Why don't they do it?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Then?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I mean, every week we talk about it's fixable? Is
it fixable? It is every week about how how fixable
this is. They said it wasn't Sunday and nothing's fixed.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
They said it wasn't fixable. Last year they said, oh,
this team's this team is done. We're gonna fire Dick
Siriani by week six.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
What's a really?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
How long am I supposed to give that before I
start getting really irritated, Which I'm kind of irritated now,
but I wouldn't say I'm really If we're.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Still having these issues after the bye week, then I
think that would be a logical.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
We were weeks of trash offense football.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I'll lose my mind.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I'll have a heart attack. I was stroking, I'll die.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
We didn't hit the stride into like halfway through the
season last year.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I hate to tell people it's like that. It's like
that different.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
There's a month the NFL now is a slow start.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
It's a slow start, like because nobody plays preseason.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It's a new Why do they slow start every year?
And don't tell me preseason? Because these teams are putting
up thirty forty points every week I'm watching on red
zone and they didn't play in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Teams doing that for the teams playing up thirty forty
points of offense every week right now pre season.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Better than right now preseason.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Teams, no nay media teams right now through five weeks
or putting up like thirty five plus points of offense
right now?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Did it again yesterday? There They've been lighting up scoreboards
the whole season.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Playing exactly like the Eagles right now where they're just
they're holding on by the by a thread.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I guess what, it's sustainable until it's not.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
We saw this in twenty twenty three with the Eagles,
like you're gonna win these close games until it blows
up up in your face.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And I love Baker about it because I watched these
offenses home across the league, and then everyone, every including myself,
wants to say, give the Eagles pass after pass after pass.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I don't give a ship who hums. I don't give
a ship who hums in the first six weeks.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Okay, that's that's what the Chargers looked like last year,
you know, that's.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
What the Lions looked like like. All these teams.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Justin Herbert, it's a complete He's a complete mud. The
guy sucks.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I'm not gonna say that, but that's my whole point.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
Mayfields in the first half of the season that are
humming and are electrifying for those first six, seven, eight
weeks and then the second half of.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The season my own point, And why can't we just
like we know what we're doing one time before Christmas?
Is that so hard?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Like?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Is that is that a lot to ask for?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
How about we just give it some time? It's five weeks.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Now, we're four and one. Now you're taking losses, So
I'm done giving them taking losses.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We lost one game. We've lost one game in over
a year.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
They shouldn't have lost that games.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Cool, great news.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Welcome to the NFL, pal Well this is what you do.
You talking like you, just like people are like you.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Majority said last year, And I was delusional about Nick
Sirianni and I wasn't seeing things clearly when in reality
I was the only one seeing things properly.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I don't think. I think he's got good vibes and
the players like him, but he's not this this X
and O genius.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I guess who did I say? When did I say
he was an X and NO genius? He's not.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But guess what, that's what they need right now. He
hired his friend as the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
He hired somebody that he trusted and he thought knew
the game well enough to.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Take the team to the next level. Maybe he's right,
and maybe he's wrong. I hate Kevin.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Botulo, but like time is gonna tell whether or not
he's that guy.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Like and I'm not gonna know five weeks into the season,
like I wish I did, But we had.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
More positive things to talk about with the man through
five weeks, like a kind of a rather large part
of the we're talking about close to thirty percent of
the season.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Did the Commanders didn't will get anything special for the
first five weeks of last year.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I don't care about the commanders. That was my point is.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
They took some time to get going and then they
turned into a good offensive.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Okay, Well, if Kevin Bittullo and Nick Sirianni are listening
and all the fans out there, they times up the Yes,
it is the figure watching. I'm sick of watching crap offense.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yeah, really emotional. That is you. That is what you do.
If everything is not perfect, you start going.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
This offense is not good enough to repeat right now.
They need to figure it right now.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
You said it right now.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
That doesn't mean they can't fix it, because it mean
they can't write the ship.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It doesn't mean no progress at all.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Did you see problems five weeks last year?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It was pissed off then too, Maybe just babies, like
it's all blow jobs and unicorns.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yes, and with you every we your real issue is
on fire.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Every time they need to figure it out, it's like,
oh no, they're gonna fix it. I've seen no evidence
of any evid except you.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Except you have.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
You saw these issues last year and they were able
to right the ship and win a supers.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
They have the same issues every year.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I couldn't I couldn't tell you that. But this, this
give this team has given you enough reasons to trust them.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
I'm not saying you need to have blind faith, but
to just assume that nothing can be fixed is foolish.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I didn't say that, I've said I've seen no evidence
of them even being on the right track of fixing
anything through five who says.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Who says they can't, Who says they can't, who says
that they don't.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Go out and.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Against the Giants, And it's just like the Eagles they
won the Super Bowl last year. They're gonna be fine
like that's that that that, that's the narrative.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Guess what, good teams sometimes start slow. The Patriots just
still always start slow. The Kansas City Chiefs always start slow.
But guess what, they're exactly where they are at the
end of the season the playoffs das right now, Kansas
City does not look good.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
But guess what, I'll guarant damn te they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Back in the AFC Championship, hosted hosting the Arrowhead invitation
like they do every goddamn year.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I don't know that to be true.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
I'll garret damn t that right here, like you don't
think that the teams are gonna be back in the
AFC Championship Game next year.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
That's who they are right now. I don't think they're
gonna be in the.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
CHI Football to football is not written in October. It's
written in November and December.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
But if you look like dog shit enough in September, I.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Don't I don't give a flying rats ass what they
look like in September October. The Patriots and the Chiefs
and great teams, they make their mark and they show
why they're championship teams in November and December.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Good teams close like that. The same thing happened with
the Eagles last year, where they looked like this, and.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Because they have championship pedigree, they were able to right
the ship and get where you need to get.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
This team has earned the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Maybe they're not perfect every single week, but in the
last two out of three years, they've made it to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
They've won the Super Bowl. That is a big deal.
Not everyone can do that.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
We need to go if they want to go back again,
they got a lot of work different.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, I guess why. It's a week to week league.
Gotta play better, gotta make the adjustments. The good teams
will do that, the bad teams will not.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
What do you what do I need to what? What
should I be looking for? What do I need to
see them do against the New York Giants on Thursday
to give me any indication that think this thing is
on the right track to be.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
How about shut up some of the penalties.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
How About a little bit more creative play calling. How
about some better blocking schemes from time to time. How
about putting your quarterback in a better position to start
the game. You know, have a good game from start
to finish. That's a good start. I'd be okay with that.
Don't care if it's the Giants. Let's get some confidence going.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
I hope they look like a comprehensive, sure offensive team
on Thursday. I might lose my mind. I would put
Jalen under center, I believe one of our comman commenters
suggested that I think that's a fantastic idea, and I
would plust out the no huddle.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Sure, I'm fine with that. Speeding up.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Control, full control of the offense, no huddle. Harry, Sure,
I'm a hundred favor of that.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
He's super successful doing it because I think he's calling
better audibles than what Patulo is putting out there.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Agreed on that, all right. Closing thoughts, P, Why let's.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Kick the ship out of the Giants.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yes, I hope they're on their toes. Thursday games are
are weird.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
And is going down, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Fairly confident the Eagles will win the football game. But
I need more than just a win this week. I
need I need style points this week so I could
put my my heart at ease.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I don't need style points. Give me a decisive victy.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, I need some style. Maybe maybe you don't.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Where's about the double You give me a double digit
victory where I'm not sweating balls off in the fourth corner.
I'm a happy camper.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
That would be style, I would be That would be
style points.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
If if you win like like thirty to ten, thirty
one ten, I need some I need some style points.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
All right?
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Well that'll do it for this edition of Eagle stuff
for uh P y on Brinks. Peace out, everybody,
Let me hell you you love the filling out Beagles,
let me kill the hell you filling help beyond.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Everybody. Welcome man. This is a week five edition of
Eagles Talk. Crushing, disappointing, a lot of things to talk about.
Loss to the Denver Broncos yesterday, ultimately they go down
twenty one to seventeen. Had a chance to win at
the end. Did not come to fruition where less hit
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I am Rob Brigman. We have p Y Peter Young
Les Bowen beyond just a few minutes give his thoughts
on the game. But let's start with our poll question.
We'll throw it to you.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It was. Let's see, I could bring it up anyway. Pee,
Why what's going on? What did you think about the
game yesterday? A few quick opening thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I mean, it sucked. It was it was heart wrenching.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
You know, once again, Jamealen looks really good in the
second half. We don't run it all in the and
are really good in the first half. We don't run
it all in the second half.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
As usual.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Kem Patulo has absolutely uh no finger on the pulse,
which is was my same issue with Brian Johnson.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
The on line can't can't stop anything. Dickerson's hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Let's dive into our poll question. The missed deep shot
to A J. Brown the biggest reason the Eagles lost
to Denver Broncos. What do you think about that? I
think that's ridiculous. That is not not no.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
In no way shape or for him, Like is it?
Did they jam overthrow him a little bit? Yeah? Did
aj stop running the route properly? Yeah? But there were
also there were other plays. I think the refs played
the part into it.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I'm not saying they're not the reason we lost, but
there was some There was some poor officiating in that game,
like the the myss, the missed play just to start
the game, the fumble that was that was a fumble.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's the the exact same play in the Bengals game.
That's a fumble. I don't understand how that's an incomplete pass.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The Jahan Dotson playing on the on the left hand
hash mark, that's a that's a complete that's completed ass
he had two feet down.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
That's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
The fact that they picked up the uh, the rough
or I'm sorry, the intentional grounding call when the whole
purpose of the new review system this year is to
go over that and they just ignored it and they
picked it up and they gained some nonsense about that.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's really bad.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Another thing is I don't understand, like, while we missed
a few deep shots, we missed the damant Smith wall,
we missed the aj Brown wand the Johan Dotson one.
Like there are still other opportunities to win this game,
but you're not gonna win the game. I understand that
we were not running the ball effectively right now. I
still would have tried to run the ball a little
bit in the second half because like, let's say they're
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not because after the wheel route, whether we have like four.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Or five nothing, they did nothing. Had the four or.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Five series where it was combined thirty yards right, combined
thirty yards right. So let's say we still did that. Like,
let's say we still had combined thirty forty yards. Whenever,
over those four or five series, let's say we run
the football and at least we get to kill the
clock a little bit, so like Denver doesn't have a
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chance to like maybe they don't have the chance to
kick that field.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well, maybe we keep the lead a little bit because
it's so close.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Another issue I have is there's no reason Jalen Hurshaud
they only have two runs, Like, I don't understand how
in the first four games he had an average of
ten QB runs, whether they're designed or not, Like, there's
no reason when nobody because whenever nobody else is getting open,
like whenever we're having trouble running the ball, he is
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always able to get his He is always able to
make that big splash play with his legs. That makes
no sense to me. Another thing that made no sense
is in the first were you run that little gadget play.
You know, he's running to the right hand side and
he's finding gathered and we're hitting it every time. I
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don't understand where there's none of that creativity in the
second half.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I think a lot of it is.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Just Kevin Botuo just he just doesn't know what he's doing.
Like the offense is predictable, like they were talking about
on First Take today, they were talking about how this
is the most predictable offense in the NFL, and it is.
The routes aren't complex. It's everything is taking too long
to develop. We can't block for shit. Everyone's hurt, which
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is a big problem. Dickerson's hurt, which I think is
a blessing because he's gonna need some time. He needs
to get healthy. Jurgens even said it today. He's like,
I'm not where I need to be. I'm still hurt.
I'm still recovering from my busted back from the NFC
Championship Game slash the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well, I got understand you're gonna look at.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Certain things in this game, but like, oh, you know,
with Jalen hurt today, j Brown, they got on the
sand page.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know that they would have won that game. Maybe
if you had a little.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Bit better play calling in the second half, we probably
win the game. If you put the hands the ball
in the hands.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Of your quarterback. To make a big splash play instead of.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Just going eight straight pass calling pass plays, maybe you
win the game.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I just they were.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Even talking about it today and they're just like McNabb
was on and he was already like, oh, you know,
and there's a there's a deeper issue with Jene with
Hurts and a j.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Brown. I'm like, well, yeah, right, you stopped the stick
in your nose and it when it does nothing.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
To do with you or you know in my experience,
you mean the experience where you didn't once stick up
for your teammate and you kind of shafted them every
chance you got because yet you were jealous.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
The quarterback is not He's not you. Jay with Hurts
is not you. Five. He's not jealous. He's not gonna put.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
His feelings and his emotions first as opposed to what
you did. But like, there are just other opportunities to
win this game. They just fell short. You were playing
with you were lighting a match every week and guess
what you got birth this week.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's all it is. At the end of the day, you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Can't play stupid games, gets stupid prizes. That's one hundred
percent when happen. That's why we lost.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
To the poll question deep shot, the misshut deep shot,
the AJ is the biggest weak. No, the biggest reason
they lost is because they cannot block worth anything. Whether
it's health, whether it's execution, I don't know. But this
offensive line is nowhere near a top five unit in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Nowhere near.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And that's why they've been a successful franchise over the past.
Where ten ten years, last decade they've had a top
offensive line, top offensive unit, offensive line unit in the NFL.
It's just not it's top twenty maybe maybe, and that
maybe that might even be a stretch with what's going on.
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They cannot run the football. They cannot run the football.
They could call eight run plays in a row with
how they're blocking up front right now, they would get
eight yards, maybe less than eight yards because I don't
know that they would gain positive yards that they called it.
So now you're boxing and to throwing the football because
you have to. You gotta do something to move the
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ball to try and make it easier. Teams are also
playing the run, like playing the Eagles to stop the
run and making Jalen beat him, and he almost did yesterday.
He was twenty three of thirty eight for two hundred
and ninety yards. That's not good. If you have thirty
eight throwing attempts, you need to have well over three
hundred yards. So that's an execution problem on offense. That's
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probably the second reason that they lost the football game yesterday.
Offensive execution absolutely pathetic. Kevin Bittulau looked like he scripted
about twelve twenty plays that were good and got him
the lead, and then he didn't know what to do.
Wait when Sean Payton got in the lab when they
were up ten to three at halftime, and Sean Payton
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adjusted and this coaching staff didn't. So there's number three.
Your coaches have been for lack of a for generally speaking.
I know they adjusted well in the Rams game, but
generally speaking, your coaching staff has been outdueled big time
in the second half by coaches like Todd Bowles and
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Sean McVay, and even Dallas was charging to win that
game in week one. So that's number three. The aja
AJ is gonna need to have a couple of big
games in a row and all this will be all
this will be recent so distant memory.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So they had a two out supposedly they had a
two hour conversation today. It's him, It's it's Jalen, it's Saquon,
And you can.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Just tell, like, is not happy with this.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I don't give a ship that they're that they're having
cuddle club and talking about what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But it's not even about It's not about cuddle club.
Here's the thing that's that tells you that this is
not a huge issue.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
All they're doing is talking. They're talking about it.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
You have to talk about it though, Like, if this
was an issue, a larger issue, and we needed to
press the red panic button, it would be everyone is
refusing to talk. Everyone is refusing to have conversations with themselves,
and maybe a j would be doing like sit ups
in this goddamn driveway because of how bad things are.
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The fact that they're willing to sit down and have
conversations with each other shows that they're willing to move
past things.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And work on stuff and things right, that's a good sign.
That's a great sign for things to move forward.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Obviously, they have to put it together on the field.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Watch do you not watch press conferences? He had press
conference yesterday where he.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Said, well, did you talk to Jay when after the game, Nope,
did you talk to me in the huddle?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Nope?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
That's not good.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
If that continued, that would be a blow up. Something
is gonna blow up right in front of their faces.
The fact that they're willing to sit in the room
and have conversations with each other and have tough conversations
because guess what, there are people who are I'm like
brothers with and having to be the work environment that
could cause problems, that could cause stress, that can put
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a strain in relationship. Like you could be cool with
people at your job and then have people who you're
like brothers with outside of the job. Once you merge
those two things, it doesn't always work. Sometimes it's like
fire and ice. Like my dad's one of my favorite
people in the whole world, but like it's tough for
us to work with each other because we're too much.
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We're super similar, and we butt heads at times. Like
that could be what it is. But if it's a
continuous problem and you're not talking, the worst any any
marriage counselor would tell you the biggest red flag that
you're headed for a divorce is when you're absolutely refusing
to talk to each other. The fact that they're willing
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to set differences as high, they're willing to take the time,
they're willing to have a two out. It's not like
a ten minute conversation. That don't mean shit to me.
You sat for ten minutes, it don't mean dick. But
the fact you're willing to sit in the room for
two hours and try and figure this out is a
good sign that it's salvagable and you can figure this
shit out and right this ship.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I mean, the offense needs to start pulling their weight
because keep them in in every game a defense spin fan.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Start bearing the cornerback out because he's doing everything he
possibly can.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I'm seeing people, Oh no, he's not playing well. What
he's having this read?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He played great yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He's having his best year since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Like like, he's doing everything you could possibly ask of
him to that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
He's protecting the football, he's he's coming up big big.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
He played okay yesterday. I don't think you played great with.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That offensive line right now, they're not They can't block
for shiit.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Jalen Hurtz makes a hundred and twenty million dollars a year.
Whatever the heck he makes he's overcome adversity. It's not
always gonna be peaches and cream for Jail.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Jalen Hurt's breathing is gonna get him. Like criticism, let's let's.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Just let's just cause sabe this bathe like when he
plays well.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
When he plays well, it's not good enough. When he
underperforms slightly, it's not good enough. When he wins a
super Bowl, it's not good enough. When he's Super Bowl MVP,
it's not good enough. If he throws for three hundred yards,
it's a loss on him. When he throws for a
buck fifty two touchdowns and he wins the game in
the big moment, that's.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
All I don't I don't know what we're seeing in him.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm just saying, Jalen Hurts is gonna have to prove
those critics wrong the t that's.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
What's their proof.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Overcome over.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Daily proof. Please tell me what there is the proof.
He's been there two Super in three years, he's been.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
To the playoffs every year that he's been the starter, Like,
there's nothing to prove.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
This needs to be better. He needs to be better.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Everybody needs to be better.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Justin willing to even have a conversation about it.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Everyone needs to be better as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That's something that's like saying, wow, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I have a I don't need to get like everybody
needs to play better.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
He played well, like he gave them opportunities to He
played okay, Like whether what are we doing here? Like
they can't block their game.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I already talked about that. Landon Dickers is not getting
healthy anytime soon unless he takes significant time off. All Right,
I don't know what's going on with Cam jurkids. So
he's gonna have to He's gonna have to get this.
They're gonna have to get this thing going with a
middle of the pack offensive line, is my point.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
There for one. Despite that, there there for one, he's overcoming.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Clearly he didn't yesterday. Clearly they didn't win. Inconsistencies when
you keep they didn't win yesterday. So now now it's
time to look in the face and taking an inventory
of everything offensively.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
How about the play caller having a finger on the poles.
How about the play caller like expanding, here.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Let's hear what less bone, Let's see what less bone
has to say. Bone on birds, Eagles talk, mister lest Bowen.
Tensions are obviously high here Philly stink. The Eagles didn't
play good at all. Yesterday. We had our pole question
about the miss deep shot by A. J. Brown. Me
and p Why both concurred that that was not the
main reason they lost the game. Offensive line play is
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the reason they lost the game for me, and the
reason why this team is in a funk because it's
not it's not a top five unit like it's been
in years past.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
That's certainly true, Rob, But I got with penalties as
the reason they lost the game. They took nine penalties,
six of them were offensive penalties, and only one of
them occurred in a drive that where they ended up
scoring points. So they shut down a bunch of drives
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by getting behind the sticks. Everybody was so upset about
the lack of running. You know, which second and thirteen
or third and seven did you want to run on?
You know, and you just can't take penalties like that.
And it was their good players, you know, the two
guards each took a penalty. They're not they're good players.
But the other penalties were by DeVante Smith, Saquon Barkley,
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AJ Brown and shoot Barkley, Brown, Davante, and I forget
that one when anyway, it was all they were all,
you know, they were all self inflicted. The offensive line
does need to be a lot better, particularly when it
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comes to run blocking, and I think that's really why
they don't have a great run game right now, is
they can't block it. But getting back to the poll question,
they would have won that game if aj had run
under that ball, But I still don't think that's the
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that paper's over a lot of shortcomings for me. You know,
I disagree vehemently with Rob about Jalen Hurts. I really
think if guys catch passes, if they run under passes
that were catchable, if you know, Barkley gets his feet
set and a thirty yard completion on four and four
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is an overturned I kind of think Jalen Hurts had
a hell of the day, but you know, there was
some sacks that he didn't need to take. But other
than that, I had no problem with him at all.
I don't think it was his fault that they lost
the penalties. Penalties and letting and three and out and
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making the defense play seventy four snaps and just grinding
it into dust. Those were the reasons they lost in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
There's Chris Kaufman on YouTube, Saquan hit that seventeen yard
run and then only one rush for the ENTI that
one that counted.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
He got a There was at least one more that
was erased by a penalty, and he got a forty
seven yard touchdown catch, which counts as much as the
ones should get run.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
You're right, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
But again, which second and thirteen or third and seven
did you want him to run on? You know, I
mean they were behind the sticks the whole second half.
They could not run a sequence without taking a penalty,
and they took the drive after the Broncos would have
had eighteen seventy. They took two penalties. First it was
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the legal guard down field on the eight yard pass
to DeVante, and then it was then finally they get
to fourth and four and it's the thirty yard miracle
to DeVante that gets called back on a technicality. They
had nothing to do with the play, but they did it.
There's no reason, my sake, one Barkley's heat should not
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be set. Uh you know, I you're right, Chris Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
That's the kind of game they played. They just didn't
have any kind of rhythm or any kind of They
stumbled over their own feet the whole second half, pretty
much after the after they made it seventeen to.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Three att Berg. No one's saying Smith and Brown are
great one on one and in man coverage, but against zone,
you can tell they're just slow. No, yeah, they're not
just slow.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I think the route concepts against zone are very problematic
to me. And I'm not a big X and O guy,
but I don't see them getting guys open against Yah.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
They never get anyone open there. It's boring.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
It's it's not it's not exciting, it's everyone can tell
what they're doing. Like, that's why they're they're not able
to They're not able to scheme anyone open.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Any other offensive coordinator can scheme guys open by us.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I've never understood it, And maybe it has to do
with the philosophies, maybe, but what that's also why I
didn't want another guy in here who's off the same mindset.
You can say whatever you want, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Right about that, man. I I kind of resisted that
thinking because I thought the Tulloh was a solid part
of what they were doing, you know, and what they
were doing, you know, they won the Super Bowl. So
I thought, well, it's okay, But it's not okay. It's
it's like having two knicks.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Out there, you know, building though for four years. Right, Yeah,
it's all.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
The exact thought processes.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Though it was Nick's offense last year. They just ended
up running the ball a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Kellen Moore didn't change the offense.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I think he added his sprinkles here and there.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
There was a lot, yes, running his offense.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I think it was a different offense than they ran
in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Like I think it was a little bit the playbook
was opened up a little bit more, was a little
bit more complicated.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
It wasn't it was much smarter like it was much
the finger like you had a veteran who knew what
to call and when to call it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
This wasn't someone like Brian Johnson where it's like, all right,
I'm on first intended the goal line. What am I doing? Yep?
Kenny gave me run the first down. That's what I'm running.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And you bring up a good point because one of
their major problems yesterday, the reason for the Barkley penalty,
and a lot of the problems that they have is
they get plays in with like eight seconds left on
the play card and run up to the line and
then Barkley's trying to do this motion where he goes
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all the way over and comes all the way back,
and they're trying to snap the ball because they're going
to get a delay of game on fourth down. You know,
I mean, that's not a smooth operation.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm gonna say, I gotta score more than seventeen points.
Scored seventeen points, So he's absolutely right about that.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
I think that that was a good defense they were facing.
But nonetheless, they had seventeen points. Again midway through the
third quarter, you know, they were doing just fine, everybody.
That's my biggest thing is if you'd asked me midway
through the third quarter, I'd say, well, this is probably
the best game they've played in some ways because Denver's good,
you know, and they're not scoring a lot, but Denver's
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defense is really respectable and Denver only has three points.
You know, this is really you know, for game five,
this is all right? And then did anyone else feel
that way? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I just felt I was there Unfortunately, you just felt
like you're letting them hang around. You're letting him hang around.
That's what happens when you let an underdog layer.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You just kept sitting yourself in the foot, like the
fact that like was even talking about it that like
jaylem is the person who brought up the the wheel route,
great call. I wouldn't know why you didn't decide to
call a second time because I think that would have
called them off guard.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Like it was inaudible, he could tell one and he
switched into that play and again that doesn't reflect well
on the people.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well, he said, go back to uh, mixed bag screens.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
I'm in favor.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, drop a long or two, mixing some runs. I
mean yeah, that's all the times to like, they'll find
the formula. They need to find the twenty twenty five
formula that works, because they yet they'll.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Making stupid penalties. They have three false starts at home.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
They'll call screens all freaking day except for wake when
they need to call a screen. Yeah all right, second second,
A nobody's really expecting anything.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Maybe maybe throw a screen in there. See what happens.
You know, who were throwing it with? Who's our swoleest
wide receiver. That guy, he's gonna get the screen, Davonte.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Or let's make sure we have Grant Calcata blocking walking.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's all right, that's what's getting him involved. What they
really are, it seems like they go out of their
way to get like packages because he's.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
No second tight end. That's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
And of course he was out after like the midway
through the second quarter yesterday, so they walk.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
He couldn't block me.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
But some of the stuff they tried to do. Did
you see the sack. I'm pretty sure it was his sack.
It was either a sack or a run that was
thrown for a big loss where Dallas Goddard was trying
to get to a defensive lineman who was like eight
yards away from him, and he's like throwing himself at
the guys. The guy runs past, he's Dallas Goddard. Maybe
he didn't line up in the right spot. I have
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no idea, but the ball is snapped and Dallas Goddard
has no shot at getting to this guy that he's
got a book.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I didn't notice it at the stadium only wan I
can only stomach watching half the DVR replay.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Yeah, I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I mean I'm sitting there watching it like a jerk off,
Like I know, like I'm just gonna get mad again.
I know what's coming.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Maybe it'll turn out different this time.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh I didn't. Here's Matt Berg last. Why don't the
Eagles have Jalen go under center more on first and
second downs or at all? Understanding understanding Jalen can't do
it or maybe not want to, they'll extend the run
game and the offense. Yeah, it's the scheme.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Well, one issue they do have. I don't know the
answer to Matt's question, but I will say they always
run under center, and they almost always run and pistol,
and they almost always passing shotguns. So that makes it
pretty simple for the.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Other The way they run everything is very it's very simple.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You just know exactly what are going to run and
if you catch them off guard, great, But otherwise they
kind of have an idea of what you're gonna do,
and if you beat them, you beat them.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, John Malmos, I mean, got the New York Giants
coming up on another show.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, I don't think there's any why Dickerson plays with
a yeah, I might let Dickerson sit for several weeks. Frankly, uh,
I didn't think Toath was terrible. He's not Nickerson. Of course,
he was all right and he's happy.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
That's the one thing Dickerson's not right now where we're
at right now with him, I might be like, we'll
see you after the bye.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Take this is this is what happens when you win
the Super Bowl. Guys have, for instance, Cam Jurgens. I
was reading about this today. So Cam Jurgens had back
surgery after the Super Bowl. Well, because the Eagles were
in the Super Bowl, he had back surgery six weeks later.
Then he would have had it, maybe even two months later.
(28:16):
Then he would have had it had they not made
the playoffs. So Cam Jurgens is still recovering from that
back surgery, and he admitted it yesterday, you know, and
you just have to live with that. I mean, it's
nobody's fault. But that's why teams don't repeat as Super
Bowl champions. There's guys out there. You Carter's got a shoulder.
He's playing with a bad shoulder. Maybe you sit him
(28:39):
for a week or two, I don't know, but right now,
you don't have the team that won the Super Bowl.
You just don't.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That's a good segue into the defense, because the defense
was lights out and then terrible. Well the defense could yesterday.
You lot twenty one points at home, you should win.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Yeah, but every drive in the fourth quarter they couldn't
stop anything. They just you know, and they took penalties
to the bond thing. I know it's frustrating to people,
but that's a penalty. I mean, I know what he
was thinking. This guy's just short of the first down.
I've got to stop him from creeping forward. But he's
on the ground and you just kind of, you know,
(29:22):
you get your arm down and you roll or something.
You don't. You don't go down on top of him
like that. If they had done that to an eagle,
we would have been screaming, buddy brother.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, oh well, we just talked about the injury bug.
I also want to have him called that last John
almost less. Will how I do anything before the trade deadline?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Oh yeah, I think he'll try to. I don't know
what rush, yeah, edge rush. Still, even though they signed
Zadarius Smith, they need something else. They frankly could use
a defensive tackle unless they're gonna let Robinson play, which
they don't seem to want to do. Offensive line. I
(30:02):
you know, if these many guys are banged up, I
don't know, but you have to have some I mean,
it's it's it's great for him to want to do it,
but there has to be something out there that's available
that well.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
That's the problem is people just think you can trade
to trade them like there has to there has to
be someone out there that wants to trade with you,
and there has to be someone out there you want
like otherwise you get like a stupid trade for like
Robert Quinn.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
And lots of times it's not because they're idiots and
they traded for Robert Quinn. It's because there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
It's like you're looking at the bargain basement after the
big sale. Yeah, there's a couple of mismatched socks if
you want to buy those.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I keep seeing people say that, oh, ringo socks, we
have to go get another corner, and I'm like, yeah,
he's he's he's been.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Wow, he's your guy.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh. I think it was okay.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yesterday he was great, he was Okay, I'll go with.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
You this far he is as he keeps playing, I
see the potential for him to get better. You were
saying last week he's still twenty three years old, and okay,
that makes sense to me. I mean, Darie Jackson is thirty.
You know, it makes sense to me that. Really, but
Rigo's not good. I mean, he's okay, And he's a
(31:26):
guy that you could call a PI on him almost
any time downfield. He always has his hands on the
other guy, and sometimes it's mutual fighting and sometimes it's
just him grabbing the guy. They could have called one
on him right before halftime. That would have been a disaster,
you know. I mean, but he's not terrible.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I mean he's I just need him to be serviceable,
Like I think we forget, like what you need a
CB two to be like.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Because I think last year was a unicorn.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Spoiled everybody last year, Like do we forget? Like I
was looking this up in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Like Bradbury gave up like eight hundred.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yards of like eleven tds as your cornerback too, Can
he not?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Can he give up? Like if he like if he gives.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Up like less than three hundred yards and or four
hundred let's say four hundred to be concervative, less than
four hundred yards of like three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know what, he.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Had a good year, Like, that's a that's a that's
numbers I can take for my CB two.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Like I keep hearing people like, we gotta go get somebody.
Who are you getting? Who are you getting that they're
just trading away?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Who are you getting that's gonna when are they complicated
vic Fangio system on the fly unless it's somebody who
already knows the system.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's tough, it really is.
And uh, you know, maybe a position chain, maybe slim
down to Kobe Dean and have him play corner.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'm one of those guys.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
People still on that hill, like whether it's Killy Ringo
or one of the guys that's hurt right now, one
of them will We'll take the bull by the horns
and they'll they'll be the quarterback to what he's like,
Mitchell Mitchell was really good. I thought again yesterday, No
he was not.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Mitchell Mitchell had a big problem with that with Courtland Sutton.
But in the first half, Sutton's really good and the
defense just got run ragged. I mean, you just can't
to me the fourth quarter for the defense. You just
can't expect that I saw today. I knew it was
seventy four snaps for the defense. What I'd forgotten was
(33:43):
or I didn't really have it. At the top of
my mind was seventy two snaps last week in Tampa
and the heat you know they have, just they're gonna
pound this. That's a real danger here, is that you're
gonna screw up this defense and get people hurt just
because the offense isn't working. That can happen, you know,
(34:03):
and I see that danger all right.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Less. Is this offense fixable or are we in for
just a stare in at paint dry every week?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
It's absolutely fixable, you know. I think Jalen Hurts with
no penalties and with guys running to catch the ball,
could have thrown for three hundred and fifty yards four
touchdowns yesterday. You know, people who say he's not capable
of that, I know that he is.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Do your job and don't do stupid shit, as he
gives you a chance to win every single week. How
about the part of the season everyone was crowding Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
What does he look like the last two weeks like
he's crossed.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
You know, they do have a lot of problems. They
do have. The petula problem is a problem, and the
offensive line, particularly with run blocking, is a problem big
and they have to get those problems sorted. They have
to get some o lining healthy. Uh, you know it's
the offense is definitely fixable. There's nothing. You know, they're
(35:11):
not trying to throw it to Travis Fulgem or anything.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Whoa, whoa, les, Let's not take it back.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
The way you see that. You see Carson Wentz throwing
to Justin Jefferson Sunday. I bet Carson was like, yeah,
I was gonna do this five years ago.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
But we we're this close.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
We're this close to Jalen versus Carson.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, I need it for my mental and physical health.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Carson. It's not a fair fight.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
It doesn't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
They will kill him, he'll do something.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
He's a dirt well, I don't care.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
It'll be it'll be a it'll be carnage if they
do face him. Yes, but he's not He's not terrible
for a backup quarterback. He's actually pretty good. But yeah,
he's not athletic anymore, and that was his biggest.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Speaking of the schedule, I mean it opens up here
a little bit. You have Giants, Giants, Vikings, Giants.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I still don't see the Panthers or the Jets really
really awful things. These are teams that you know they're
not good, But yeah, the Giants could give you a
good game on a short week.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So you got to you gotta be on your toes
for the vision.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well, I mean five weeks through the season. If you
if you told me before and.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
One, I'd be a static play ready to play the
Giants for and one, I'm good to go.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
And nobody crucial is out for the season or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
So yeah, it should be pretty am I am I
wrong in saying that it should be pretty easy for
this team to get the seven and one before the
bye week.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Don't ever say easy. They don't. They don't have an.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Easy could be seven and one before the bye week though, correct.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
They could be. Yeah, I think there's a good chance
at that.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And you know, I think, And it gets and then
the schedule gets fun again. Yeah at Green Bay and
then uh Detroit at home both.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
But you got to get healthy and you got to
get into gear. Detroit is really the team everybody talks
about Green Bay. Detroit, I guess gets dismissed because of
what they did in the playoffs last year. But I've
seen Detroit a little bit this season, and Detroit looks
darn good to me. So we'll just see.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
See if they can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, all right, let's uh any final thoughts before we
let you go?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Well, just that, uh you know, it's did you see
the Phillies tonight?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Oh my god, no, I did. I was at the.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
No game three. Thank you for not making me care.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
They were down for one. In the ninth, they got
two runs. Castianos doubled in two runs. It's four to three.
Castianis is on second with nobody out. That time run
they bunted, which they knew they didn't pinch run for
(38:10):
castianis the slowest man on the team, so he gets
thrown out at third base. Subsequently, Harrison Baders singles. So
if you'd had like a real pinch runner going from
second to third on the bunt, or if you just
had a real pinch runner on second base, they would
have scored the time run. But they didn't, and the
(38:33):
Phillies lost.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That's my final and that's what they're and that's where
they're going with the going with Aaron Nola and.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
I guess, but it doesn't matter at this point. They're
not going to beat the Dodgers three straight.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
There's just to let Robertson go in and get four
outs while Ranger Suarez just sits, sits around and does
nothing during.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Maybe Ranger could have pinch run tonight. That would have
been an idea.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
You would there have been a worse idea.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
All right, last, well, thank you for joining to see
you guys.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
We're at a spot next.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Week will hopefully, yeah, hopefully we can get it right
against the Giant here. Anyway, have a good night lest
you too. Take care all right, pee Y, So obviously
Less had a lot to say, I mean, moving forward,
I asked Less. I guess you chimed in a little bit.
But officially, is this offense fixable? Yes? This isn't just
(39:31):
pushback a little bit.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
This isn't twenty twenty three where Jalen's fumbling all over
the place. He's not throwing interceptions every three passes. You know,
he's not making dumb football plays. Like trying to play
hero ball. He's playing smart. Look the offense you can
call better play calling. You can sit in a lad
and be like, all right, I like this.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
I don't like this. Let's fix this up. You know,
maybe you go.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Out and get another tight hand who can a little
better to help you out. You know, like, there's there's
going any things you can do to make this offense better.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You just have to be smarter.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Why don't they do it?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Then?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I mean, every week we talk about it's fixable? Is
it fixable? It is every week about how how fixable
this is. They said it wasn't Sunday and nothing's fixed.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
They said it wasn't fixable. Last year they said, oh,
this team's this team is done. We're gonna fire Dick
Siriani by week six.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
What's a really?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
How long am I supposed to give that before I
start getting really irritated, Which I'm kind of irritated now,
but I wouldn't say I'm really If we're.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
Still having these issues after the bye week, then I
think that would be a logical.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
We were weeks of trash offense football.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I'll lose my mind.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I'll have a heart attack. I was stroking, I'll die.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
We didn't hit the stride into like halfway through the
season last year.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I hate to tell people it's like that. It's like
that different.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
There's a month the NFL now is a slow start.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
It's a slow start, like because nobody plays preseason.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It's a new Why do they slow start every year?
And don't tell me preseason? Because these teams are putting
up thirty forty points every week I'm watching on red
zone and they didn't play in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Teams doing that for the teams playing up thirty forty
points of offense every week right now pre season.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Better than right now preseason.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Teams, no nay media teams right now through five weeks
or putting up like thirty five plus points of offense
right now?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Did it again yesterday? There They've been lighting up scoreboards
the whole season.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Playing exactly like the Eagles right now where they're just
they're holding on by the by a thread.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I guess what, it's sustainable until it's not.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
We saw this in twenty twenty three with the Eagles,
like you're gonna win these close games until it blows
up up in your face.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And I love Baker about it because I watched these
offenses home across the league, and then everyone, every including myself,
wants to say, give the Eagles pass after pass after pass.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I don't give a ship who hums. I don't give
a ship who hums in the first six weeks.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Okay, that's that's what the Chargers looked like last year,
you know, that's.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
What the Lions looked like like. All these teams.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Justin Herbert, it's a complete He's a complete mud. The
guy sucks.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I'm not gonna say that, but that's my whole point.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
Mayfields in the first half of the season that are
humming and are electrifying for those first six, seven, eight
weeks and then the second half of.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The season my own point, And why can't we just
like we know what we're doing one time before Christmas?
Is that so hard?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Like?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Is that is that a lot to ask for?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
How about we just give it some time? It's five weeks.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Now, we're four and one. Now you're taking losses, So
I'm done giving them taking losses.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
We lost one game. We've lost one game in over
a year.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
They shouldn't have lost that games.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Cool, great news.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Welcome to the NFL, pal Well this is what you do.
You talking like you, just like people are like you.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Majority said last year, And I was delusional about Nick
Sirianni and I wasn't seeing things clearly when in reality
I was the only one seeing things properly.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I don't think. I think he's got good vibes and
the players like him, but he's not this this X
and O genius.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I guess who did I say? When did I say
he was an X and NO genius? He's not.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But guess what, that's what they need right now. He
hired his friend as the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
He hired somebody that he trusted and he thought knew
the game well enough to.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Take the team to the next level. Maybe he's right,
and maybe he's wrong. I hate Kevin.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Botulo, but like time is gonna tell whether or not
he's that guy.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Like and I'm not gonna know five weeks into the season,
like I wish I did, But we had.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
More positive things to talk about with the man through
five weeks, like a kind of a rather large part
of the we're talking about close to thirty percent of
the season.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Did the Commanders didn't will get anything special for the
first five weeks of last year.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I don't care about the commanders. That was my point is.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
They took some time to get going and then they
turned into a good offensive.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Okay, Well, if Kevin Bittullo and Nick Sirianni are listening
and all the fans out there, they times up the Yes,
it is the figure watching. I'm sick of watching crap offense.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yeah, really emotional. That is you. That is what you do.
If everything is not perfect, you start going.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
This offense is not good enough to repeat right now.
They need to figure it right now.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
You said it right now.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
That doesn't mean they can't fix it, because it mean
they can't write the ship.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It doesn't mean no progress at all.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Did you see problems five weeks last year?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It was pissed off then too, Maybe just babies, like
it's all blow jobs and unicorns.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yes, and with you every we your real issue is
on fire.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Every time they need to figure it out, it's like,
oh no, they're gonna fix it. I've seen no evidence
of any evid except you.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Except you have.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
You saw these issues last year and they were able
to right the ship and win a supers.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
They have the same issues every year.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
I couldn't I couldn't tell you that. But this, this
give this team has given you enough reasons to trust them.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
I'm not saying you need to have blind faith, but
to just assume that nothing can be fixed is foolish.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I didn't say that, I've said I've seen no evidence
of them even being on the right track of fixing
anything through five who says.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Who says they can't, Who says they can't, who says
that they don't.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Go out and.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Against the Giants, And it's just like the Eagles they
won the Super Bowl last year. They're gonna be fine
like that's that that that, that's the narrative.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Guess what, good teams sometimes start slow. The Patriots just
still always start slow. The Kansas City Chiefs always start slow.
But guess what, they're exactly where they are at the
end of the season the playoffs das right now, Kansas
City does not look good.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
But guess what, I'll guarant damn te they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Back in the AFC Championship, hosted hosting the Arrowhead invitation
like they do every goddamn year.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I don't know that to be true.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
I'll garret damn t that right here, like you don't
think that the teams are gonna be back in the
AFC Championship Game next year.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
That's who they are right now. I don't think they're
gonna be in the.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
CHI Football to football is not written in October. It's
written in November and December.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
But if you look like dog shit enough in September, I.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Don't I don't give a flying rats ass what they
look like in September October. The Patriots and the Chiefs
and great teams, they make their mark and they show
why they're championship teams in November and December.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Good teams close like that. The same thing happened with
the Eagles last year, where they looked like this, and.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Because they have championship pedigree, they were able to right
the ship and get where you need to get.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
This team has earned the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Maybe they're not perfect every single week, but in the
last two out of three years, they've made it to
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
They've won the Super Bowl. That is a big deal.
Not everyone can do that.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
We need to go if they want to go back again,
they got a lot of work different.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, I guess why. It's a week to week league.
Gotta play better, gotta make the adjustments. The good teams
will do that, the bad teams will not.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
What do you what do I need to what? What
should I be looking for? What do I need to
see them do against the New York Giants on Thursday
to give me any indication that think this thing is
on the right track to be.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
How about shut up some of the penalties.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
How About a little bit more creative play calling. How
about some better blocking schemes from time to time. How
about putting your quarterback in a better position to start
the game. You know, have a good game from start
to finish. That's a good start. I'd be okay with that.
Don't care if it's the Giants. Let's get some confidence going.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
I hope they look like a comprehensive, sure offensive team
on Thursday. I might lose my mind. I would put
Jalen under center, I believe one of our comman commenters
suggested that I think that's a fantastic idea, and I
would plust out the no huddle.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Sure, I'm fine with that. Speeding up.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Control, full control of the offense, no huddle. Harry, Sure,
I'm a hundred favor of that.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
He's super successful doing it because I think he's calling
better audibles than what Patulo is putting out there.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Agreed on that, all right. Closing thoughts, P, Why let's.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Kick the ship out of the Giants.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yes, I hope they're on their toes. Thursday games are
are weird.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
And is going down, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Fairly confident the Eagles will win the football game. But
I need more than just a win this week. I
need I need style points this week so I could
put my my heart at ease.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I don't need style points. Give me a decisive victy.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, I need some style. Maybe maybe you don't.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Where's about the double You give me a double digit
victory where I'm not sweating balls off in the fourth corner.
I'm a happy camper.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
That would be style, I would be That would be
style points.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
If if you win like like thirty to ten, thirty
one ten, I need some I need some style points.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
All right?
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Well that'll do it for this edition of Eagle stuff
for uh P y on Brinks. Peace out, everybody,
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