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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:05):
Main topic in hand. This is just a nightmare. Nate,
you're a moron.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
First off, any in the chat, I'll dress you later, okay,
I will address you later.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I will undress you actually later.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
He tried, he tried to argue with me about it.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
I wasn't I wasn't having it.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's just unbeievable.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
But Eagles Monday Night disaster main topic in hand ties
in our poll question a little bit. The Eagles will
break their losing streak with a double digit wind on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That is new?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, that's where we're live. Everybody hear podcasts
whatever as well. Get to like, subscribe, follow, Most importantly,
join the conversation because it's a lot for you guys
out there to get off your chest. We want to
be here for you to get it off your chests.
But I'm also gonna be here tonight. Try to educate
a little bit too. There's a tiny, tiny bed Okay,

(02:00):
a little bit. And before we even get into this
pole question, because I think, well, let's get to the
elephant in the room, because we have not addressed what
really would happen Monday night as a group. We haven't
talked about it like that, right, and we haven't also
talked about the natural reaction, but that this fan base

(02:22):
is completely off the rocker now like we are. We
are completely off of a rocker. And that doesn't mean
that I believe Jalen Hurts can sit in the pocket
and pick you apart.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
So let me make that clear, because.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
There was nobody on draft night that was more concerned
about that than this guy right here. There's nobody in
the history of sports talk in this city. Then it's
kept it real when it came to Jaalen Hurts from
the beginning to write this minute a bit and that's
how Oh look at Tom, there's tip on it. Go
back and watch the timeline. There's nobody who gave flowers

(02:56):
when the flower need to be given quicker than me.
Where most guys die on the hill, most guys will
die on it. And I sat here and if Kevin
onnes about him from Jump Street. So if we're gonna
run from the facts, what have been the facts? He's
a winner and he's a leader. Don't run from the facts.

(03:18):
They've been there from the day one, and none of
that ship's changing. Okay, what are the what are the
other facts? Struggles to throw guys open, struggles to go
through progressions properly at times when he's in band funks, right,
they're the facts.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
There's also there's also facts of what's the man winn
to rot and we're talking about you won't ask me
about Lee Way. How much Lee Way does he get? Tom,
I don't know, Morons how much Leeway in the nineties?
You want to go back there? You want to go
back where do you want to go back to?

Speaker 5 (03:57):
You?

Speaker 4 (03:57):
We'll talk about the history Eagles football. We are coming
off a super Bowl win that doesn't last forever. I'm
not telling you like he got next year, He's got
next year. How what are we talking about? We're gonna
sit him down for Tanner McKee. I can like Tanner McKee.
I can think he'll be, he'll be. He's serviceable in
this league. I believe it at some point. Maybe okay,

(04:20):
but they sit here and climber for the goddamn backup
quarterback is absolutely outlandish.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I know he's played like crap. I know it.
I've watched it. I know it's falls. He got to
play better. But other elephant in the room. While I'm
on this rant.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
My number one wide receiver who's the man of the
football year and made it public, needs three to four catches. Ye,
I'll settle for one, and hey, Ricky Waters, I'll settle
for one, but catch the football. Yes, go catch the football,
Ricky Waters. For all those who remember that. So we

(05:03):
want to miss the first play of the game. That
boy needs to be caught. I'm sorry that needs to
be caught. We want to miss the fourth quarter one
on one, Okay throws it, throws it up high, up
in the air and.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
He can't go get it. Tres A one hand it.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I remember that one and the only one maybe he's
been the back made a decent play on was the
one in the end zone.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But at the time, I need that caught.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I need a caught in a terrible game. That's the
best ball today.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
So this is where this is where people make me laugh.
Oh he needs these guys. He needs he can't win
without anything else.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
He's got a bang up offensive line all year, he's
got a he's got a deva, a wide receiver and
doesn't want to stop talking and then doesn't He wants
to play when he wants to play, is what I'm
sorry to notice.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
All right, hear me?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, what was that one? I didn't see that one?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, he wants to play when he wants to play.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, he's played all he's played all the one.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's that's not what that means. I run routes when
I believe I'm the number one option. If I'm not,
I'm not gonna run that route as hard. That's what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh, that's every It's every receiver in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
You are you.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's every receiver. I mean if you point Justin Jeffers
and you think Justin Defferson been running art all year
and and.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
The that's real football league when you could be the
goddamn number two option.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You're telling me you ain't running your rat hard.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
They're not. It's the NFL. You know where the first run.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Right now, I'm gonna start dropping that five that they
are because now you're now you just want to make
up assumptions.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm not holding up that's that's a complete false statement.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
That does not the number two options in routes don't
run the routes properly, all across the lake, all across
like nobody's running hard.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
That's what you have said. Where's need proof to that?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Then, because we're in a factual conversation and now we're gonna,
we're gonna he wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Button plan hards. That's the only thing I've I've questioned
on this whole thing because I agree with you one
thousand percent on everything else.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
But no, no, if you want to make the argument
that you believe he is, that's fine, Like I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna go there with you and say
like your eyes are different than mine, you understand.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
But where I'm going to attack the.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Ads when you want to bring up the whole league
is an excuse for him not doing something. I don't
got time for that, because that's his excuse driven bullshit
that that shouldn't fly on these airways, and you know it, and.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I love you to that not making excuses. I'm just saying,
that's not that's if you would have if we would
have called him out for for dropping balls and being
a diva, and then let's call him out for that.
But like on a pass, that's on the other side
of the field, I'm not going to run on this side.
No one does.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I'm talking about when you're a third or fourth option
in the place, never gonna.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Get back to you. Of course I agree with you
on that, right, of course, I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
When you were a fourth option in a rout, you
might you might dog it a little bit, right, of course,
I'll agree with you on that, but I'll never agree
with you with the number two option.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Like that's all I said. I think the two options.
I didn't think three or four. I think when I.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Believe he's the two option, I've seen him just not
run routes hard. And I'm not saying that like he's
quitting on the team. That's not where That's not where
I was going with that, Like, I don't want to
make that more than what it is.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Tonight.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
It wasn't the rant right, the ran is at times,
I feel like he might give up on plays a
little bit, or he might he might.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Not attack the football like I know we can't.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
There's nothing like I'm not taking shots at him like that.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Like I believe him.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I didn't want to trade him.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
But when you're gonna come up small now and now
we're just gonna look at the quarterback when the number
one ride receiver came up small, that also, I'm not
fair to talk about benching him and ben JJ two
we're gonna look real good.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Then well, yeah, we got a whole we had a
whole city to look at. If we're holding jail on
to his standard.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
And I don't want to go then we went ten
minutes with this almost but like the last the last
point of it is now we're talking about firing coaches
like head coach, like argument.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
The winnings coach over or over a span like can
we can we let that? Can we give that a
minute before we fire? Like can we just give it
a more a minute, a couple more minutes? People, we're
firing them.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
I don't even say it's arguable. I think he just
is the wingest coach over the last four years.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
He's like top five of all time in his first
five years at like a seventy percent clip.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
And swoopy something he does block thouugh right again, I'm
not gonna crush a J for everything. Like there's times
I see him blocking big time down here, right, So
this isn't this isn't that right again, it's a.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Wide receiver though, like just getting away right, It's like
what we used to say with JJ Reddick playing defense,
just show effort, Like yeah, a J. Brown gonna lock
you up in a wide receiver and dry you. No,
but as long as he's in the way trying and
torn effort good enough for me from a number one
wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah, yeah, And again since again, I mean, this isn't.
This isn't like for the people coming in late to
the party, This isn't. Jalen's done nothing wrong and I
believe in Jalen Hurts more than any other quarterback in football. Uh,
that's never been the case here until until we went
to the top of Mount Rushmore and finish the job.

(10:01):
You understand, then you give me a guy because goddamn
flowers and you better shut your mouth now.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It doesn't mean that you say, oh, this can continue.
There's levels to this. I'm just not ready to benure
for Tanner McCabe.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I don't know anybody.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I don't know what statement that gives to your team.
I don't know what that statement said to the player.
I don't know any of that.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
If you believe he's the guy and you believe his
work ethic is what we always have talked about, the
leadership and his ability to run the football, which we
haven't seen enough. Like they got to unleash what Jalen
Hurts is. Jalen Hurts is a playmaker.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Huge.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Jalen Hurts as a playmaker, last name RPO and when
you drop back and throw regularly, allow him to go
one reading go I allow.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Him, stop making him something that he is not. God
damn it. He can't sit back there and throw forty
times at night. We've sold these results.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
It's always a lot of pets, it's always a lot
of turnovers when he does that.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I mean, we had that simple size so r THEO format.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Allow him the bellies in the back, running himself, or
even go out of it and throw it at times,
but taken out of making him something that he's not.
That's what I hate about it. That's what you want
about firing coaches. That's fireable. Okay, Sorry, guys, I had
a lot to get out because lots have been sitting
in my chambers. And oh, you're good, and I'm sorry

(11:27):
for yelling at you, all right. You know, I just
felt like I'm making excuses for for freaking show ponies.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I'm just not trying to blame someoney for something that
we don't know necessarily isn't happening, you know what I mean.
That's all.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
But my eyes tell me that I watch it at times,
that's all. That's not every play.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's not fair.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Again, I was, I was, I was fired up.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm with you though, I'm with you eight hundred I'm
int you eight thousand percent. Because we become an un
serious fan base. We become a fan base that can't
sustain a winning window.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
We become a fan base that, oh my god, we
might win the division, but losing the first round of
the playoffs after a year after the Super Bowl. Hello,
and that's a terrible season. If we go good season,
bad season, super Bowl, bad season, super Bowl, I think
it's a pretty good run. There's a reason why there's
only so many double repeats and no triples or one

(12:24):
triple winner in the NFL, because it's hard you go
through these things. I'm gonna look at the body of work.
And when Jalen Hurts has had a real offensive coordinator,
he's gone to two super Bowls and he's probably played
the best game of his lives in two super Bowls
when we've won. When we've gone to super Bowls and
won one, and we have to find that an offensive

(12:46):
coordinator in house, regardless of how long they've been around
the team or how long they've been around Jalalen and
Brian Johnson's case, Right, we struggle. There's no fault of that.
That's our fault for being in the Super Bowl and
being to the party.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's for being good. It's our fault for being good.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And taking somebody in the building because there's no other
options out there. Because I really want people to riddle me,
who was out there when we named Briant or when
we named Kevin Batoola offense coordinator? Who was available?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Nobody, no single person. Nobody's gonna put you in the
same spot because.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Brian Cable wasn't available. More left real quick.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
The only thing you missed in your great rent right
there was you miss the fact that he hasn't had
the same one either. You nailed the fact that every
time he's had a real one you've seen the results. Yeah,
the time he has an in the house guy, you've
seen the results. And then you had the other later on.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Again, this is an excuse facts that you have shocked. Yeah,
you had the same.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Plights, worst stretch of his career the last four weeks.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
But yeah, then the same oufusive coordinator back to back years.
Yet that is the biggest in That is the biggest
problem that you can make of the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
That doesn't mean it's playing, he doesn't need to be better.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
That doesn't mean when you're making fifty million dollars a
year that you you gotta put the cape on and
you gotta start carrying dudes that he needs to. So
so again, where do I leader a real talk? Just
giving you the fact and then telling you, okay, we
understand those things. That's why I'm not benching them. You
understand that's the main reason. And he's doing this with
Kellen Moore year two.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Hold up, wait a minute, wait a.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Minute, you know what I mean, because that can't happen.
But with Kellen Moore letting his quarterback, do you got
let go use them?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And we saw the RPO this week. I actually liked
what we saw offensively.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
You know, it's weird charger scheme like THELL We moved
the ball great. I thought like we like we were
doing things offensively.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Get what we wanted.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
What did we ask for last week?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
What do we ask for? I know I asked for
some sustained drives and we saw something. We just didn't
finish them, right, Rober, what did you ask for? You
want to Jordan my alloted be the flare of the game,
and you wanted to run on the left side and
he's outside.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Success ship it was bull ship call change part of
the game.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It was, yeah, but we got the other one later
in the game. But you're right, you don't know that
early what that touchdown does to the rest of that game.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Right, I heard I heard this. I forget who it was.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
It's because we're gonna talk about one of the premiere
you know, sluggers in the game in a little bit here, right,
Kyle Jalen Hurts is basically.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Like a moron brinks out of your minds been out
of his mind the last few days, Like you're out
of your mind. You would's central. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
You're benching the guy like we already we already, we
already told you he hasn't play good enough, and we
already told you the rest of it. But you're gonna
bench a guy the year after being a Super Bowl MVP,
like you have no leash, You have no leash breaks
you would run every organization that got the I'm not
telling you that in two years from now he ain't
good enough.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
That ain't the conversation right now. But you got to
give it a minute.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Man. You get you overreactionary week to weekers, Like I
know he's been three bad weeks. We all watch, we
all got as, but you want to be shot jock
fire everybody radio.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's downright intregious talk. That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
I just, I just I love you frankly, you just
you just want to be overreactionary to it all because
you love them, you love the team, and you want
it to be great.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
What does that docuse if you think Tanner McGee gives
a better option to win? Right now, we can't run
the football. You're out of your damn mind.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
I gotta ry.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Oh, you're good. I gotta compare.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Jalen Hurts to like a major league slugger in baseball, right,
a guy who can win you a week or lose
you week depending on how he's gonna play. Right, Like
when I think Reee Hoskins is the perfect example. Right
when Reee Hoskins was hot here, he would care you
for a month. When he's not, obviously, we've seen what
he's been doing in Milwaukee is just nothing.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
So the highs of the highs of Jalen.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Playing as the best player on the plane in the
super Bowl the two times he's been there, that's Jalen
hurts being hot like two playoff runs, him dominating the
NFL on a week's week basis, right, Versus now he's
in one of those slumps where he's striking out four
times a game, right, and all he needs is one
goddamn hit to get him back in throat in play rights.

(17:31):
It's incredibly frustrating because of how good this team is, right,
even as bad as they've played the last four or
five weeks, Right, they've been so up and down, up
and down, up and down, even like the wins that
they've had recently coming out of their bye week weren't great.
But you found a way to win the ball game, right.
I said this before we came on. You turn the
ball over four times, but you still should have won

(17:53):
the football game.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
So should have won the game five.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
I know technically it's five, but it's right. Two on
one play making history out here, by the way, never
happened before. But either way, you turn the ball over,
you lost the ball four times.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Right. It's incredibly frustrating.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Because if you do, like if AJ catches the ball
and mill the field, if that the guy on the
the cloud corner doesn't make the perfect read right back
and off like, that's a touchdown, John Dawson, he backed
off perfect read right, like another you know the one
where like I don't know if Jalen threw it behind

(18:33):
DeVante or if the cornerback just ran right through him.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
And then the one was bad when he threw it
directly to the linebacker.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
That was bad, right, But it's it's and then he'll
come out and make throw that dime. Aj Brown should
have caught it in the corner of the end zon,
which would have again won the football game.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Right.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
There were so many points in the game. Obviously you
can blame Jalen for what happened.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Right.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
There were times where like the one offensive player the
Chargers had was a third long dump off to a
running back that got sixty yards and they a short
touchdown after that, Right, how many times like Justin Herbert
was the leading rusher for the Chargers because of how
many times he broke containment because the Eagles had seven
stacks but they should have had fifteen, right, Like, you

(19:17):
can't just blame the quarterback. Yes, I agree, he's probably
the biggest issue right now on why we're not winning games,
him and the coaching staff. But there's so many different
things that go into why you win and lose football games.
You can't only blame the guy who just won you
a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
You can't do it. You can't love. You can't like
love the guy one week then hate.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Him the next.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's not how it works, right.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Because the guy is a leader, he's you know, he's
he's as much as ANYBODY'SNNA say he's the top three
quarterback in the NFL. I would have argued the beginning
of the year, he's top five, if not top two,
just winning wise, right, because I don't know if there's
anybody other than Patrick Mahomes that I want having the
ball in a two minute drill where you have to
go and score a touchdown a laying game, because I

(19:59):
know that dude's gonna give us a shot, right, whether
he turns it over or something like.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
You've been seeing the bad part of that.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Recently, but you know that he could do it because
he's done it before. And people want to compare him
to Justin Herbert or Josh Allen or Lamar, Right, what
does he had? None of those guys have a ring
a ring like, so we're not going I'm not benching

(20:26):
this guy.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Because he's had a couple of bad games. Grow up.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, we've become like I said, we've become an
unserious fan base. We really have like we cannot we
don't deserve, like we're playing the victim, Like we don't
deserve to go on an extended win winning window.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Look, we we have the most wins in the NFL
since twenty twenty two. We have the third most wins
in the NFL since Syrian I took over as head coach. Right, yes,
I understand that we've had too collapses. Right, two completely
different collapses. By the way, our defense was awful in
twenty twenty three and right now we can't figure out
how to move the gon ball. And even when we
move the ball, we still move it. Okay, but we're

(21:03):
just not capitalizing properly. Grow up, right, learn to fee
able to sustain success. I know we were talking about
this a couple months ago, where look, you have the
core that you can build a dynasty here, take over
what the Chiefs are leaving because they're a goddamn mess
this year. Fill the void because there's nobody in the
NFL this year that scares me. If you play at

(21:26):
decent football, the next four weeks of the year, you're
gonna be what you're eight and five now, you're gonna
be at least eleven and six, if not twelve and four,
and have a chance. You know, you'll be a two
to three seed.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
You marn't get the one. But you mean to tell
me that someone's gonna come.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
In here in January beat the Eagles and then we
can't go to La and beat them again, which we've done.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Three years in a row. Come on, man, yeah, I
mean look to your points.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
As awful and I mean as awful as Knight's performance was,
you know, we can play some antics turnover four times
five times. When you turn the football over at the
rate we did, we obviously didn't deserve to win that
football game. Yet, yet it was right there for the taking. Okay,

(22:21):
as badly as we played, and you know, defensively, we
we didn't look great at times either, but we sacked
Justin Herbert seven times. Okay, we you know, we for
the most part contained him most of the night, and

(22:45):
all things considered, guys, as badly as Jalen Hurts played,
there is no way in hell you're sitting him down
because if you do that, You're basically sending a message
to the fan base that the Jalen Hurts era in
Philadelphia is over, which is absolutely ridiculous, not just.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
A fan base, but the whole team as well, exactly
and every other quarterback that comes through this city. I mean,
that's what That's what I don't think people understand is
like you firing a head coach the year after a
after a Super Bowl win, you benching the quarterback. I
don't think people understand the ramifications that that holds for

(23:31):
your organization down the line, like what standard that that
you have to hold that to? Then you can you could.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Never struggle exactly who's gonna want to come play here
under the under that type of situation?

Speaker 4 (23:49):
I mean, who's gonna want to come play here? Is
just by the way we overreact, right by the media
in the city that that crushes these guys over and over.
It's just they played They played bad football offensively. Yeah,
this defense defense carried them for a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
And you know, I don't want to you know, we'll
continue to talk about, you know, what's happened obviously, but
you want you want to sort of talk about moving
forward and you know, and that's with obviously the quarterback
right now and the head coach, so you know, and
that ties into hey, we gotta we gotta be on that.
We gotta be on the Raiders now, right, It's time

(24:30):
to be on the Raiders. It's time to figure out
a way to win a football game, right, because that's
how you end stuff. That's how you end end a
little bit, you calm things down. A win will calm
it all down. It will settle it. Even if it's
not pretty glamorous, et cetera. The win will just settle.
It doesn't mean people aren't going to Ben's Jalen I'm

(24:50):
I'm not saying that, but it'll settle it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Oh. By the way, great news. I agree to the poll.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think we I think we have.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Got we.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Wanted to get some stuff off right.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
I mean, look, guys, I'm pissed off too. And to
those fans out there that were waiting for me to
come on here tonight and go over the edge and
over the top like I usually do, they believe me.
I was fuming on Monday night, and just like I
was fuming you know two weeks ago when we ship

(25:33):
the bed in Arlington, just like I was fuming on
Black Friday when our defense gave up two hundred and
eighty yards to the Bears on the ground.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
All Right, all of it is unacceptable. All right. We've
been playing like dog shit in you know, for the
last three weeks.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
And to be honest, I haven't seen, with the exception
of the giant game that we won here at the Link,
I have not seen a full four quarter effort from
this football team yet this season. Yet, with all that,
we're eight and five, Okay, we have four games to go.

(26:16):
We have a gift schedule the rest of the way,
as long as we get out of our get our
head out of our ass, and take advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
We have the piss poor Raiders, all right, and they
ain't they ain't your father, grandfather's Raiders from the seventies,
all right. Al Davis is long gone. Just win baby
my ass. All right, that's all we need to do, okay.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
And we have the Commanders, who are we play them
twice in the last three weeks of the season, who
are beaten, battered, bruised and pretty much left for dead,
all right, and so they should play.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well.

Speaker 6 (26:59):
They're not a very right organization, So it wouldn't shock
me at all if they try to run Jad and
Daniels out there. The only thing I would have Jade
and Daniels do the rest of the season if I
were the Commander's GM to say, here, kid, hold a clipboard,
rest up, and we'll see you in training camp next year.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah. Quick.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
In a poll, Eagles will break their losing streak with
a double digit win on Sunday. Agree or disagree, You
could say, like, you know, how could they be given
eleven and a half points to anybody? And they give
eleven a half points to the Cardinals and twenty twenty
three and they came in here on one, So you
ask yourself, how are they giving those points? And the
fact that the matter they're giving those points because they're

(27:40):
the better football team. I mean, that's just at the
end of the day, they haven't played well. They they
you know, right over the last three weeks, say how
they give anybody points? Well, the Raiders of that band too,
and we are still good. We haven't played well at all.
But I think this is a game where they go
beat up somebody and this isn't take it out game

(28:02):
and take it out on on on a team, go
take it out on somebody.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I think this is what we're gonna see on on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
So they're gonna break it, go beat them up, and
and then boom, we're on the Washington, Washington Bills, Washington,
so on the Washington away and Bill's come here.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Obviously, no we go we go to Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Last time they played the Bill.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Makes sense. It's not every other. I thought it was
every other. Okay, okay, we're back.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, that's the other Sneaky thing in here too, Tommy
is her schedule, right, Her schedule has been completely jacked
up all year. Yeah, you know, no home games and actually,
of course, when you're a good team and you're the
super Bowl champs, you're gonna have a lot of primetime
games and we know those all we throw off preparations

(29:01):
in weeks and again, no excuses, but when you start
to look at things that have gone wrong this year,
it's just another little checkbox of no sustainability of staying home. Right,
we have not had one. You know, this is obviously
we talked about this agnologial, but no two home games
in a row. It's just it's such a strange season overall.

(29:23):
I absolutely agree to pull Kenny Kenny Pickett. Kenny two
gloves is not coming in here and throwing it all
over this defense and not winning, not putting up any points.
It's not I mean, this is again, tom you said
it perfectly. How can someone sit here and say roll job?
But I'm gonna sit here and say roll job. This

(29:46):
is the Colorado Rockies coming into town, or you go
into Colorado and putting up twelve in the first game
against whoever they're throwing out there. You know what I mean? Like,
this is what that is so perfect timing for that,
and this is the get right game. This is the
game that we're gonna sit here and come in on

(30:07):
Sunday night and be like we're a buck baby. Maybe
not there, but we went three out of four. Going
in all this noise in the chat and on dial
radio will be completely different.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Three four if you if you run, if you run
the table, well, if you run the table, which is
hard to even say it right this minute, but if
they somehow figured some things out and we're able to
run the table, we have a way different.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
It's not impossible, Tommy. I mean, the Bills don't look
great either.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
They've they've ended ups and downs. Yeah, yeah, I got
the best player on the planet, so their offense is good.
I mean, because he is the best quarterback in the way,
I've got somebody else up there hired on him, let
me know, because they're not.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Even still out there for.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Stafford's forty. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree. This game gives me
last year's Panthers games vibes where you should have a
team come on in and you should kick the ship
out of them, But it's gonna be a grinded out
game where you're gonna be in control the entire time,

(31:27):
but you're gonna hate it the entire time. So I
wish the weather was gonna be better this weekend because
what I did and for that game last year was
I went and played golf with my cousin and we
had the game on my phone while we were playing eighteen,
and I kind of sort of paid attention and we
kind of like, oh cool, they won, and I didn't
get pissed off because they played bad. So I think

(31:49):
they find a way to win by like a touchdown.
But I don't think it's gonna be do this until
until this team could show me they can sustain something
offensively because they're there.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Their offense is in Vegas. It's so bad.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
It's one of the two offenses that have been worse
than the Eagles over the last months whatever. So as
long as they can contain Genty and brock Bowers, you
shouldn't have a problem with their offense. But again, until
this offense shows that they can move the football and
like actually capitalize and score touchdowns, I'm not picking them

(32:26):
to cover spread the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, and that's fair.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
The only the only disagreement I have with you is
comparing a game last year that didn't mean as much
to this one. Like last year, it can be an
over you know, you overlook a team like Carolina. You're
not in the position this year to overlook. That's my
only disagreement of the whole thing. Not that they won't

(32:50):
you know what I mean, they can very well just
win by a touchdown, But I think I think that
would be more just them not being good enough than
them Overlooking them makes sense, but I don't think.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
That I get I get where you're at. I also
think that, like you know, there's almost like, oh my god,
can't leave. I'll play the Raiders this week, like all right,
we're gonna beat the ship out of them. But then
they're kind of like all right, you know, not that
they can even say anything like that right now, but
just talent just looking again, but just looking at them
talent wise, they're just like, oh my god, why am

(33:19):
I watching tape on this guy?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
What am I doing this for?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Like we're gonna go out there, We're gonna roll them,
I know that, right, But it doesn't necessarily mean that
like they're gonna take preparation that much more seriously this
week than they have, not saying that they haven't been
doing it. I would like to think that I would,
but I can't say that they're going to now. I
think that's more of a coaching thing at this point
because again we've talked about like the personnel that we have.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
The personnel is the same other than Makai Beckton leaving.
So they done. No, I'm not saying they're done.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Well, they're done. What you're saying no to me, No, no, No,
it's different. It's different.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
That's not that, that's not the point you're You're you're
saying that they like aren't taking aren't going to take off?
They lost three games in a row, they haven't played well,
then you're gonna tell me that they're not locked in
on the little things right now to get out of that.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's a problem.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
That's when Sirianni said last week that hey, yeah, I
got to make sure that you know we're taking advantage
on the out of hands and everything. I'm I'm putting
my expert opportunities towards the offense. And the offense comes
out and only put up nineteen points. Again, all right, better, great,
they looks better.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Awesome, but that's not the conversation. Conversation that goes they're
not Yeah, if they're not prepping hard enough for this
stuff and they're not focused on that, well that's not
going to change to this season's a rap.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's possible. Again. I I think that the talent wise,
you're gonna be able to.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Win this football game. I would love to see this
team come out and blow a team out.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
But until you show me.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
That you're gonna be able to do it, I'm not
going to say they're going to.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I don't disagree with that right at all. I just
disagreed with the one, the.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
One premise of comparing to Carolina last year when you're
the best team in football, so and you can easily
overlook Carolina, they are far from the best team in
football in any of that goddamn win. So this would
be the week that I'm salvating at the mouth to
watch tape on some bad players and feeling like I
can go expose some dudes and get right. I mean,
that would be my thought process going into a game

(35:23):
like this is as a competitor. So you know, to
even think that they would that they would not prep
hard enough for that or not be engaged enough to
go kick somebody's ass, that's a bigger concern.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
That's all I was saying. That's it, that's you're done
that you think they're fine.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I want I want them to prove me wrong.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I want them to know that.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
My whole point was then I said, then you think
they're done, and deep down you think that's over.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
They're one and done. Postseeds just a wrap. It's a
wash of the season.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Almost at this current moment. With this team has shown
me the last three weeks.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Yes, okay, now, if they come out, if they come
out and blow out the Raiders this week, then they
come out and they go into Washington next week and
they go and beat O.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Your mind can be changed. Absolutely, that is not what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
So right at this moment, you're they're done, right, That's fine,
Like I'm not disagreeing with that. That's that's an opinion,
you know what I mean. I was just going back
there again. If they're if they're not doing the little
things in your mind, that's a wrap almost, yeah, And
I was just confirming that.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
That's where your head was at there. It might be done, guys,
And that's fine. Good.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Absolutely, If this team comes out and lays an egg
against the Raiders, the season's over.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's done. Ship now. If you get a win, now
it's not over.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
No again, if you if you win the game, but
it's ugly right because I'm still like, all right, well,
I at least you gotta win.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Well, you know, if they come out and they win.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
By say two touchdowns, like okay, productive, if they win
buy a touchdown, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Eh, yeah, thirty five ten, You're like hey, yeah, like okay,
all right, cool back.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Let's go all right, we're back. Yeah, what's up, ketch?
I don't money, I mean, hey, uh to the fifty
three guys that wear the midnight Green.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
We are still the defending Super Bowl champions. We haven't
looked like it the last three weeks. Hell, we haven't
looked like it for much.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Of this season. But guess what your record tells me that.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
You're still in it.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
We're still in it.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
We still have.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Time to wake the fuck up, show up on Sunday,
give a full four quarter effort. There better not be
any over time needed here, and kick the Raiders ass.
Kick their ass from start to finish, play together, play tough,

(37:56):
and play discipline. Because I saw none of those three
the last three weeks. None of me haven't seen it
for much of the season. But thanks, oh thank you
to the Dallas Cowboys who've been mediocre all year. Thank

(38:17):
you to the Washington Commanders in New York Giants who've
looked like complete dogshit here in twenty twenty five. Thank
you to all that we not only have a chance
to go to the postseason again, we have a chance
to win the division, have a home playoff game at home,

(38:40):
be safe at home, and we have a chance to advance.
But first, let's take care of fucking business on Sunday.
Take care of the Raiders. Let's get healthy, let's get right.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Let's learn how to play together, play tough, play physical, and.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Throw whatever good word you want out there. I want
to see four quarters of not good but great effort.
I want to see selfless play. I want to see
fifty three guys who aren't worried about how we win,
who aren't worried about stats or anything else for that matter,

(39:29):
but kicking the guy's ass on the other side of
the line of scrimmage. Let's beat somebody the fuck up.
Let's win a football game thirty five to three and
show me, show me.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
That you give a fuck.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
About defending this Lombardi Trophy. Let's go. Yes, I agree
to the poll.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Words from THO in that rant, which is fantastic. Just
keep it counting home.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
I don't care fuck, I don't need no. I mean,
just to be clear, I give him Rat's asks. I'll
just finish your pa ten o'clock.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
The kids should be in bed. It's a school night,
my kids in bed.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh man. Yeah, there are things we need, for sure.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
They're all nice to have. I just need a victor.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, man, I like I don't need do I need
to hear it?

Speaker 4 (40:32):
You need I need a little prettiness, so like I
don't need I don't need the ten at the bar
at some day, I can settle for a five. I mean, well, well,
one extra I mean one extra SoC in line, just
to be able to you know, see that undressed the

(40:54):
guy hypothetically, right, I'm all hypotheticals. So yeah, I'm going five.
I mean I'll settle straight, fuck it right, I will settle.
I will settle for a good wine. I mean something
I can be like, all right, we played better this week.
That's a positive. That's all I need. I need to
leave with positives offensively and defense. The biggest are gonna

(41:18):
be on the field. You the whole goddamn year is
you know, they don't end up playing the damn back
against a bad defense, a bad offense. Right, A guy
that they've seen it, they've seen before. Right, we talked
about Kenny Pickett. He's been here. So I hope that
bodes well for this football team. Harder to take the
football away as much as they did last week or

(41:40):
be as physical as they were, but you need it
again because you need them just to shut it down.
Have your offense on the field as much as possible.
Right and let them sustain some drives and finish them now,
because we saw some in the drive being sustained on
Monday night. We just didn't see nothing finished, right, So
can we in his drives now? We're getting I feel

(42:01):
like in a weird way, we got closer. Yeah, but
the turners made it. But we just had a disaster
game from our quarterback. Yeah you know what I mean,
Like we didn't.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Like his best ball outside of the touchdown, the DeVante
ball because you said your in your in your rent earlier.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
One of his issues that we've all known is he's
not gonna He normally doesn't play with anticipation. He's not
gonna throw to a window thinking that you're gonna be there.
But on that one he did and it.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Was heming ripped it.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
It was right in there, and it was that that
was what third and like fifteen thirty twelve something like that, Yeah,
ripped it.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
It was perfect to right, like right past the linebacker.
And like those are the throws that like, look, yeah,
he's not a pocket passer. It's not gonna be the
guys to do it all the time, but he has
did it.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, this is the frustrating part about it, right, You're right.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, I mean that was awesome. Tommy brought you brought
up something though that you just said. And I'm curious
with the defense being as tired as it has been,
and it was would you have kicked? Would you would
you have deferred, or would you have taken the ball first?
In overtime.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
It's still hard because they were whooping their ass off front, right,
because the yard line.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
He was like, you know, coaches are back and forth
on this, you know, before it even happened. He was like,
you know, I would elect to probably play defense first.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Right, So I know what I have to go do.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I know, I know what I need.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
And then there's the other avenue. Well, go get what
you need, and then you know what you need to stop, right.
So I mean there's two lines of thinking. Listen, I
put whatever my best unit is out there at that moment.
So there are no gripes and the unit did its
job now preferred not even the field goal, right, and
you really do your job and we win the game.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
So did they do their full job?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
No, when they kept out of the end zone and
gave you a chance. But my biggest problem with that
drive is on our defense side. They allowed a six
seven minute drive. That, yeah, it can't happen. That that
cannot happen. So that's the Monday morning quarter Tuesday morning
saying Bright shouldn't played offense first.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, that was my only thought too, just because how
tired they had been, and they literally just got off
the field trying to stop them, and it was just
uh again, you're right. It sticks one half dozen another
because we were right there at the end. He connects
with the Dotson. He's at the one where push away
from from going in. Dotson doesn't score itself, right.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So the Mayor's two things you know, you know, off
of the lineman.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
One to go get up to the next level in
the goal line, which doesn't make sense, and he cuts
that in a little bit.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
He's got a touchdown if.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
He reads, if he reads the d lineman right, that
that crashed in there, right, If he's able to read that,
he goes, he goes back, hit back right, hit of.
I think it was his steam right, he's got a touchdown, yep,
but he read it wrong. Went inside. Boom gets tackled
on that. That would have been a walk in and

(45:08):
a walk in Dutch lower shoulder, you're in you know
what I mean, you fall forward for a yard.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
That's what it would have been.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
So again that's just the culmination of what's transpired through
this entire year, is different guys missing little things throughout games.
He missed another one later on in ot that would
have walked it off. Okay, he cut inside, he had
the whole outside, he's one on one with a safety.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Who knows, Yeah, right, who knows.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I think there's there's one. There's one thing, like one
of the little again, one of these little things.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
You're mentioning.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
The drop that DeVante had on like the third and eight,
right before the two minute warning, right, if he catches
the ball, it goes.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
To the two minute warning because they're not taking a
time out there, right.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
And how many they kicked the field goal on the
last second of the game, right, I think it was
like seven seconds left in the game or something. Do
they hit that playoff? The playoff, because again he dropped
that ball on second or two guys the other time
it was like two fifteen, right, it was like two
fifteen was still there. So you kicked the field goal,
so then you had the kickoff and then they ran

(46:13):
a play before the two minute warning, right, So you
can talk about aj Brown all you want like that.
I think that makes or breaks, like the ability for
them to get into field goal range to.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Tie the game.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Right then Jake missed the field goal earlier, right like.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Inside, yeah again, like what is.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
This three weeks in a row at least that he's
missed a kick, whether like an extra point field goal.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
They let go the long snapper, They cut the long snapper,
and then they're reactivating the guy that's been on IR
all year, so you know, for what it's worth now
you're fine for what it's worth the guy that's gonna
be the long snapper again.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Jake hasn't missed a kick with him versus the other
guy's missed like six. I don't know how that matters,
but either.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Way, in overtime there, I wish they would have taken
the ball. I mean, I can't blame them for deferring.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I get it. At least you can see what you need.
But our defense was.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
So tired by that point, and I don't know I
would have taken my chances taking the ball.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
At least at that point of the game, we were moving.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
The football a little bit better, and I would have
liked to I would have liked to taken the ball
there and see if we can score a touchdown right
then and there and tell our defense, hey, keep them
out of the end zone and let's let's win the
football game.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, it's not good.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Andrew fourteen fifty question star field goals past the seasons.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Yeah, show me where is playoff sto Oh he kicked.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Four four field goals in the Super Bowl. He was
four to four.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
But you remember leading up to the Super Bowl, we
were on it.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, we kind of had a little question marks around
Jake because of that, and he responded to the Super Bowl.
But yep, it's it's tough, right because you know, fifty
plus yarders generally you're like, all right, well they're fifty yarders.
But now in today's world, in today's NFL, they're chip shots.
Yeprists chip shots.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, especially indoors. Yeah, I mean there were there were
no weather elements out in LA. I mean, yeah, you
can't play indoors. No look for a kicker. I hate
to saying. I like I like Jake Elliott.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
I appreciate everything he's done here since he's been here
and by and large, he's been a great kicker, and
I look, I don't want to ship on the guy,
but the bottom line is you have you have one
job to do one and that's put it through the uprights.
So we need to need more consistency there. Whether it's
a you know, whether it's a forty seven yarder or

(49:01):
a fifty four yarder, you got one job and that's
to put it through the uprights and put three points
on the board.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, anything inside of fifty yards, there's no excuse to miss,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
The other thing too, when you look at those drives,
especially to one the end of game, like, that's where
our lack of being able to run the ball consistently
comes back to bite you. Because in that third down
to Smitty you gotta throw You almost had to throw
it because you were already in field goal range and
a loss for a bad run takes you out of
it almost yep. And and you had to put it

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on jailing and in the air instead of running the
football and making them use the time out or just
mixing in runs down there down the whole time. Because
we can't run the ball effectively right now, like we
go in Spurs we did. We did better, and I
liked I like that we saw more under center play
again to Chargers, because we didn't see it against We

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didn't see it against the Bears, and we didn't see
it against Who's next, No, just Dallas and Bears. Right,
But it felt like we went away from it in
the Dallas game and in the Bears game, and we
went back to it with some success. So, but we
are lack of running this year, Like almost ruined that

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drive because we couldn't run the clock down all the
way and kick that for the game winner we had,
we had to go back on defense. Yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
You know, Tommy, I saw a comment you made and
it was very astute, as most of yours usually are.
When we passed the ball less than twenty five times,
what was our record, Tommy, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Do you know what the record is?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I don't know one hand, but it's ridiculously good.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Right. And that's where this falls on the offensive line too.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
And don't get me wrong, I know Saquan hasn't had
a great year, and I know there's been plays he's
missed too, But we need to develop an attitude, a
get up front.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
We need to start mauling people.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
And I get it.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
We're dinged up, we're hurt.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
If we want a shot to get where we want
to be at the end of this season, which is
repeating as champions, this offensive line has got to get
it together. And I know I sound like a broken record,
and for much of this season we've been out of sync.
We've looked awful, whether it be penalties, missed blocking assignments,

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you name it, or just getting quite frankly, our ass.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Whooped up front. But if our offensive line can get
it together, it would really, really really help.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
It would really help the cohesion, It'll help us sustain drives,
and I think it'll take pressure off of everybody else.
And I think it starts with our offensive line. Yeah,
and it they get their ship together, that will make
Jalen's life so much easier.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
But we got we gotta stop thinking that for this
year just not happening. Everybody's too hurt. So Jane's obviously
not playing again, right, Dickerson was a was a limited
practice today. Dickerson left the game the other day, right,
So no, you're one hundred right, that's where the crux is.
But we got to stop wishing for it this year.

(52:42):
We just gotta we just got to man up and
and figure out a way to win football games. That's
what it's got to come down to.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I got the I got the stats.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Warren Sharp tweeted them out for the Eagles under center
and then in shotgun fifty one plays in shotgun, fifteen
under center in shotgun four point two yards of play
under center, ten point two yards of play, two yards
of rush with shotgun eight eight almost nine yards of
rush under center, five yards of pass, four picks, sixteen

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yards of pass no picks.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
So I know the rushing is skewed.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Because of the fake push push baykon run, but clearly
you're off, you're passing out of under centers better like
because you're you're mainly doing play action, right, Like we've
seen that they can be effective on I'm not asking
them to do it all the time, but maybe do like.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
A sixty sixty forty split, right, make guys think about
it a little bit.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
I don't know, man, especially like it gives your your
offensive line.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
A little bit more time, I guess.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
So, I don't know, Because obviously you're dealing with injuries, right,
why not try to go with something that you've seen
in small sample sizes.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
It works.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Give it a little bit more effort, right, put a
little bit more into that. I know Ja, I know
Jalen hasn't really ever been a passer out of under center.
Looks a lot a lot of guys nowadays aren't really
pastors out of under center, right, but they've shown the
play action this year has been really effective out of
under center.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
So do it more.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
And I don't know, stretch runs right have have always
been pretty effective with Saquon as opposed to doing your
inside inside zones.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
I still keep seeing.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
I know I sent this into our group, like probably
I think it was last week where it was a
guy on TikTok was just saying like, uh oh inside
zone or Saquon up the middle, Squon up the middle,
A J. Brown deep ball, Eagles punt defense, it's the
ball back and then they do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Over and over and over again. All right, cool, it's
not working. Let's try something else that showed a little
bit of success.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
It's like it's like the John scene of five Moves
of Doom.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, run them off tackle. Look, I said, we did,
and we did.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
We did pretty well effectively in the first half where again,
obviously you there was a couple of drives in a
row where you had like three runs of Saquon getting
like seven eight yards in a row.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Why did we not do it again?

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Why it's like, okay, cool, we went to that, that's
that's awesome. Let's do this again where we lose three
yards on the initial rush right, because and there.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I think the first was it the first play of
the game offensively an RPL for twelve yards?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Pretty sure?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
To the left side, mm hmmm, behind Jordan my lot
and Landon Dickerson.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Kind of like exactly what I was talking about left?
Which is why?

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Which is I think I put a message in the
group chat like, oh, look, guys, because I know it's
not Sirianni watching the show. Must have been stouting because
he's the run game coordinator. So he's watching the show,
Jeff to the left, how he's the guy out watch
how he's watching watching guys run left side behind Landon
Dickerson and his banged up calf in Jordan Mylatta, who's

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four hundred pounds, go that way. Don't go towards Tyler
Steen and your third string right tactic please.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And Fred Johnson, love you, Fred, but yeah, it's not
wrong behind.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
You incredible stuff, oh incredible. I love and hate being
right at the same time.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
It's always fun.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
We just needed to win a football game, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, I thought I thought that it was setting up
for it, right, even as the ugly as it looked,
like we said Ryan early in the show, right, as
ugly as it looked, we were still right there. And
then we just we had to throw the one more
layer of ugly, right, we had to throw the one
more layer of ugly.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Either way, you're still getting right now.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Like when like, yeah, we're still having because it don't
look good enough. It didn't look good for four quarters.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Monday Night didn't need to look good. That's the problem
with people. You just need to win Monday Night's name
and fourteen versus name fourteam. You gotta win a football game, right,
And like we said, we all played that football team
for the most part, and we lost ourselves a football game.
And that's what that's what it comes down to. And

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you know, that's why you have the jamling noise, because
the one thing he's done a great job of up
until the interview is until the interview happened on Black
fucking Friday. When you know, oh, Bears the league tournaments, well,
we the league and not turned it over. And that
is age extremely well after that. Another thing that's aged

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extremely well after that moment is after.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
Game.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
But Jalen said, we're not going to lose another.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Game, the Miami game or the Minnesota games.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
The game we've lost plenty.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
So now, the one thing you've seen a little and
it could be bode well for us, right, guys, is
you've seen ay four to zero, lose two, win four,
lose three. Now, right, maybe there's something to that and
maybe you can go rattle four off and maybe even
a fit, which would be you know, most likely a

(58:28):
divisional round game, but you never know, or a wildcard
round game, but you never know, you never know, you
never know of other teams lay eggs.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It happened.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, Tommy, Like, all you got to
do is get to the playoffs at this point. Yeah,
because it's a fresh sleep and then it's just one
week at a time. It's one week at a time.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Win that game and you want to go play three,
You want to go play three.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Really damn good weeks of football, because now you're in
your last quarter of the season, right guys, And now
it doesn't break out like that with seventeens like you
usually does, but you're really on your last quarter run
through you, like Noah said, you got time because you
can you can play better in quarters per se throughout
the season, so you have time to like turn that
around and play better.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Will they I don't know, but you really want to
go win these.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Three games first so that, hey, if you feel like
you're playing in a wildcard round, you can go get
the right guys off their feet that last week versus Washington.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
That's the ideal situation. That's why you need to go.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Take care of the Raiders, find a way to beat Buffalo,
which will bring everybody back in, beat the Commanders wherever
it works out right, those three doesn't matter the order,
but go win those three games and you can rest
everybody versus Washington most likely depending on the one seed
and what's up there, right, yes, but depending on that.

(59:51):
Now you can give a guy. You can give guys
a week.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Isn't that crazy, Like like you said, like that's crazy
to think that we still are sitting here in a
scenario where week eighteen doesn't mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Jack, well, yeah, I think yet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
And yet we're benched quarterbacks, we're firing coaches. All hell's
breaking loose.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
And it when all we need is a goddamn healthy
Land and Dickerson, I mean, you want to be honest,
You guys want to be honest in a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
We are a healthy Land and Dickerson away from being
able to do what we want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
He can't move anybody. He's banged up. So when you
can't move anybody, here's a body. So I mean that's
the problem. And Cam Jurgens isn't healthy enough.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
And Lane Johnson's out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
You know, Yeah, I mean Lane doesn't help you being out.
So that's where you need other guys to step up, man.
And that's where Jalen comes in. That's where aj comes in.
That's where saquad comes in. Soon. You can't miss vision plays.

Speaker 9 (01:00:51):
You can't, Man, I'm paying you too much money that
if you lose a step, great, you can't lose a vision,
you understand, So, like, come on, you know I can't lose.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
That part of your game right now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yeah, especially that hole Lea like that that was a game,
that one that he missed late where you know, like
you said, he went inside and he had the whole
wide open with a blocker out there in Devonte. Yeah,
that and that one, like you're just like, you can't
miss that, you can't miss that. But that's where we are,

(01:01:27):
right Like, that's our season right now that we're missing
like that that he doesn't miss that whole Last year,
he does not miss that hole. Last year he hits that.
He's out of the house.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
Sixty yards first score. Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, we
just gotta find a way, yep. And I know we're
beat up in the trenches, I get it. But and
we're definitely beat up on the defensive line too. I mean,
you got Jail and Carter that's out. I mean he's

(01:02:01):
probably out till the postseason.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Correct, potentially, that depends on what we do, man. I
mean I know he's week to week, but yeah, exactly,
I think lately and there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Tell me back to that Week eighteen game. If you
don't have to put Jalen Carter and Lane Johnson back
on this field till the playoffs, that does nothing but
help us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
This coaching staff in this front office is in a
spot where like, look, these guys are hurt. We're playing
with guys that are hurt right now. We could if
we handle business, we win. You don't even necessarily need
to win your next your last all four games. If
you win the next two games, you clinched the division.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
For for the you know, all all purposes or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
Y the it's I think the numbers three three, So
three combined wins or Dallas losses, right, so you win
the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
This week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
They lost to Detroit. No, I know, so next week
they'll have they played Thursday night, didn't they know who they?
U Jesus do they have? The Chargers? They like to
be the Chargers.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Let me see, Uh, they got Minnesota this week, Chargers
next week, then Minnesota Chargers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Then they play on Christmas against the Commies. Then whoever.
The last game is I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
At home. The Minnesota's at home, so they'll be that'll
be like a shootout, right, No, all done at.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Home potentially, Yeah, but they'll they'll lose that game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Of the Chargers don't lose a game, but it don't matter.
They don't have to lose as long as we win three.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
Yeah, exactly, so they got you. You win these next
two games. This is the this is the Excel game.
Then they get their Excel game out and they go
and kick the ship out of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
The Commies in Washington a few weeks. Is it, Homer,
I don't know. It's uh, it's away, it's away, yeh,
because again we don't have.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
So if you can get away with not having to
play arguably your two biggest offensive and defensive line pieces
the rest of the season and have them healthy coming
to the playoffs, big boost.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
So we'll see what happens. I'll be watching are you
Are you going to be golfing and watching on your phone?

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
No, it looks like there's potentially gonna be some wind
and snow on Sunday, So I don't think I'll be
playing golf.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I will be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
It will be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
The time we played the Raiders is deep in the season.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
You were there, weren't you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
It was in Oakland?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
No, that was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Oh yeah, Christmas, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I was outside because I was a smoker back in
the day, you know, and you had to go get
him in and I would go outside and be like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Don't know how you could throw a football in this.
You understand what I'm saying that Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Foles first game or something like that. Yeah, it's real close.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
And I'm like, go outside real quick, like, get out
of the get out of the friendly confines of your
couch and and climb and control at seventy walk outside
for ten minutes. I just want to stand outside for
ten minutes. You couldn't throw a nerf ball. You understand,
you couldn't. You're you're such a loser. You couldn't pick
up a nerf ball. So it's like, don't expect their

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offense come out and score forty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Like, uh, Carson went down, look at Foles like it's
not gonna happen. The offense was like that for the
majority of those cool weather games down the stretch. But
their defense was, you know, really good obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
So second game he beat the Giants the league before
through four touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Yeah yeah, and then this came happened, like oh, everybody
was panicking, right, and it's like we won.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Calm down.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
It's eighty mile winds outside, it's a fucking hurricane. It's
a more rest like, calm down.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
What's our wind looking like?

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
I mean, what's the wind looking like on Sunday, we're talking,
we're talking ample wink.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
We saw how that went.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Well to a high A thirty one. It's got an
eighty percent chance of snow fire music.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
You want to come out of a running game slump?
You want to come out of a running games slump?
You want to come out of Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
You want to come out of like like, guys just
coming wide open and you're getting confidence as a quarterback
because that's what happens in snow, right, Guys run good
routes and snow or.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
The other guy doesn't know where that guy's going before.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Guys fall down and you get wide open guys potentially
at times, and you can get some big plays out
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
They could really get you going.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Snow showers before noon, partly cloud later on Hive thirty
four wins it ten to twenty miles an.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Hour, perfect though, and it's a it's a one o'clocker
or one o'clock. Yeah, and they're playing it. They're playing
at goddamn ten am.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Ten am outside in the snow, after they're coming from Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Fucking road job on Sunday, write it down, guarantee, let's go.
I don't care right, because at the end of the day,
everybody else can run away from what these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Have done here and what they've accomplished.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
And I'm not telling you they're gonna go win the
Super Bowl this year. That's not the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
But they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Believe at some point you ain't going to get a response.
I find so hard to believe. I find it so
hard to believe. I got that response Monday. For my defense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I got that response by some drives offensively, he's had
to turnovers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
Like I started getting the response to bad football, even
though it was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
It's weird. It's hard to explain. But me another one.
Give me a response again. Give me a pissed off
football team.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Now I'm sitting here on Monday night, I'm pissed off
watching it, not pissed off at you, a piste off
because I want to win, pissed off because I want
to go take.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
It to somebody. Figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Figure it out someday at one o'clock in some freaking
fridgid temperatures, snow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And go get yourselves right, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
If Land and your Atlanta Dinkers is not healthy enough
to play, don't play them there, don't play them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Practice the guy who's fresh that look, so we can
set to save them, like try to save them, try
to get in for Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Yep, you can almost guarantee that game.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
It is gonna be a snow game too, pumping Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, it might be a little chilly.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I will be in Florida for that one, so I
will have the I will have the opposite of whatever
the Eagle is gonna be dealing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
With the Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Sorry, I said four, I said four games. I don't
know why I kept saying four games.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Four games, four games.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
Raiders, Comedies, Bills, Raiders, Commies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Oh yeah, I come back down the Raiders when I
was looking, look look at me. I'm freaking more on
Oh my god, yeah back hm hmm. It's a Saturday game,
short week. Yeah, you know, four deaths exactly unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
They have not They've not had a normal season at all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Saturday. Next Saturday, there's on the twenty. I believe that's
a five p m.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
Kick Yeah, five pm, a five pm game on a Saturday,
like grow Peter Pan. I'll take I mean that's fine
for us selfishly, but I would appreciate a little breather
when I got my office and I can't even walk.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Yea, it was like a little bit of a breather.
That's why I can't play Landon Dickerson this week. I can't.
I can't. I gotta get him right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
For for I had to get him right for the
Buffalo game, or you know, or at least that Saturday
game versus Washington has a good defense, right, I have
to get him right for that game. I think you
can't play him Sunday because then he's You're going to
bounce him back on a Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I don't wonder what tickets are going for for the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Jason Kelsey's doing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Can move Cam Jurgens back to guard and fucking punt?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I know I brought I brought up every every show
since it's happened. I wonder what's going on with Willie Lampkin,
because he was he was brought in almost for that
neither security or or maybe he just hasn't shown it
like Ja Coryan Bennett. Right, maybe he's just that bad
that now that he's healthy, like Ja Coryan Bennett, he
can't see the field.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Yeah, well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put the
season right now. Then on Willie Lampkin, you've been talking
about for weeks. Maybe next year he's gonna be maybe
he can bring a little little piece to the to
the team, you know, bring something to to the team.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
But you know he's he was also what an undrafted
guy or.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I don't know that he was undrafted, but he was
just cut because.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
He was hurt, oh by somebody else, Willie Lampkin. Okay,
that Willy lamp Kin.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
It wasn't like a guy, No, it wasn't. It wasn't
the one of the guys that they drafted.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
That's Miles.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
That's Miles Hinton or Hilton.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah, I know Willie Lampkin. I know Willy lam for
a little bit the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
He's just center guard combo.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Right, Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, but he did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
But you're you're spot on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
He did go undrafted though, Okay, I felt like he
was look at look at the kid.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Because he's undersized five eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Fuck me, he's a short, little.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Nug nug Yeah. Well uh uh yeah, yeah. We don't
want smaller guys up front. We have enough of that
in the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
You know, Cam is small mm hmmm, and towers scenes.
I mean, I don't know if I seem moved in
by all year. So I have told you that in August,
I told you that May maybe April.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Second got backs and left.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Left.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
It is interesting, if you think about it, probably your
weakest link on on the offensive line is the one
guy that has zero has zero vision of the of
what's happening in front of him, because he's the he's
the slapper of the snap. Yeah, so he's the he's

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standing up, he's not able to I mean he gets
a glance, but he's not able to sit there and read.
He's waiting for jailing tat look gets blown up. Maybe
we figured something else. I mean, obviously it's not happening now,
but maybe we go into next year we figure out
either have somebody else be that slapper or maybe find

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a new option, so like our offensive line can scan
what's coming at them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
In Week seven, second line a bunch of idiots, go go, go,
go go. I mean, I thought he's just we're already quarterbacks,
not a moron. Hopefully everybody's set up right and go
let's go. Okay, now you change that Greg, you put
it in this week.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Can say we're gonna knock this off and the and
the dirt.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Let's go get after people, right, Let's get low, because
what's all about pantographics? Live staying low? Right, being able
to stay lower than the guy in front of end drive.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
I mean, holy couldn't always. This is unbelivable. We just
we just built things off of things.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Like we could sit here at night and and this
thing just gets worse, just the little things like like
what why don't we tapping the tap hasn't worked? All right,
it's not the kai beckt the news nine hundred pounds,
like he's a specimen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Like we got off the bus last year and we
beat you. That's how big we were.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Like we off the bus and like, oh my god,
we're in for this and you're talking about twe undre
pounds defensive lineman saying, oh my goodness, gracious, everybody's three forty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
You know what I mean. That's what it was. It was,
It was, It was unbelievable. The smallest guy was Cam Jurgen,
so you could not hide him.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
But you don't get exposed by two guys being smaller
and seeing you need another You need a big guard,
like you need somebody alongside those guys like Dickerson needs
somebody on the right side, same way, like you just
can't you get blown up too much in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Yeah, and here we.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Are, mister Malmos.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
How are you, buddy, Hope you're feeling well these days.
Happy holidays to you, and yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Our focus. I think we need to focus on the
offensive line again in the upcoming draft, but we'll not
quarterback quarterback and now we're not drafting quarterbacks. I think
I think we're good at corner two in the secondary.
You know, we will worry about a C B two
a little later and then the later round. But no,

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I mean this offensive line, we we need to take
a look there.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
And we're going we're going tackle, We're going guard out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Yeah, right now, we gotta we've gotta go with what
we got and uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
We go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
We gotta give it all. We got, you all, we got,
we all we need. Yeah, because it look it's now
or never, Caden.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
If you can't, if we can't preach three sixty nine,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I mean you have me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
You had me at Bama, so like you had me
at the Monster offens and Lineman's there, like absolutely, sign
me up. This is not this is not hard to comprehend.
I mean, you need road graders. It's got to be
a point emphasis. Obviously, next year, you got a lot
of picks, and you know it's that out on you
works like a circle right now. But you still believe

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that guy's gotta get body at work.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
But you gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
You gotta go use some higher picks now, right, you
gotta go use like a first and third round on
some of the things you need. Not saying you need
to use first and second got to be you know
that's right, got you can use second and third, but
you gotta you know, you gotta care to doesn't have
to be the first round pick. I don't want to
reach for stuff either. You're never reaching this business. So
you can't say it's got to be this, right, No,

(01:17:15):
it's got to be a certain player. You don't get
that player. Okay, what's that? What's the best out there?
And then okay, I'll ship my focus to guard and
tackle in the second and third round and believe in
my development of players.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Right So listen, man, I have no concerns over drafting. Well,
I have no concerns over some of the things in
the years past. I concerns over so some of those
things I was already listened to maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
I mean, I mean how he sat down on a
t D Wednesday nights, or agree to disagree on a
t D radio and he's listened and he's understood that it. Listen,
we ain't drafting jail on raggers. You know we're we
need we need impact guys from big schools. Right, if
you're a team captain, you know, playing in the SEC,
and you're a national CHAMPI and you're a winner, I
want you. That's how I look at it. I don't

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even look at like as much as your production anymore,
because you win by leadership, and you win by talent,
and you win by guys who know how to win.
So if you can get those guys that know how
to win at the college level already, you know you've
probably got some more success. And look at us now,
I mean here we are now eating five. But you know,
I mean, in reality, look at since we've drafted better,

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look at the difference of our football team.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
That's my point. Like you if you don't draft Cooper
de g and Quinin Mitchell.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Right, if you don't draft those guys, you know you
don't draft Q and coup and you don't hit those picks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Houston. We ain't eight and five, right, So there's levels to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Be You have to draft well when you're paying guys
the money they're paying guys, and listen credit to alley Man.
So you know, in a night of a lot of
negative stuff, you know John's point about you know, draft
and talking draft, you know, I don't have any concerns
that he's not gonna you know, make the right picks

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and not and not play a reach game anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
That's all dude.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
Queya Mitchell this year first and catch right allowed first,
and tight windows forced first, and average target separation tied
for first, and fewest passing touchdowns allowed, which is again
zero second in YAK for reception third and passer rating fourth,
and force thing completions tied for fourth, and passes defended.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
The second best scorner on football.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
And we're talking about we calls that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Get out of here. Yeah that was awful, But.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
I stand by the second best scoring on football.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Who you got one?

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Yeah, So he's just he's just turnovers away from from
like that, you know what I mean. And you have
the best corner in football I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
There, And the unfortunate thing for Q is it's not
his fault. They don't go to him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
No, they don't football to them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
They didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
They didn't much on on Monday, you know what I mean,
not that a lot of time. But I thought that
was a real promising thing from our defense. It's just
you know, Byron Young, I thought was a big impact.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
A bunch of guys stepped up defense.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
So there's some bright spots there up front where you win.
And I thought they went. I thought they got after it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
I thought Jale's hunt was sensational.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
You know, I thought Jaylen Phillips at high motor like
I thought guys at high motors out there, BG was
running some guard or sorry, some d tackle. A little
bit of you guys noticed so some different some different
movement and shake and I like it. I love the pressure.
I love defense, and now can the offense can you
match us a little bit? That's where I'm at, right,

(01:20:54):
Can you can you show something are toughness that we've
showed throughout this year. Listen, I'm hoping it happens, and
if there's a week for it to it's gotta happen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
This week.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Yeah, Like if there's a week for you to.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Two win Raider team at home, then then then we
all need to shut the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Fu Yeah, not even going to Colorado, and Colorado will
come in here and you just putting up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
A ten spot, you know, early on through five first.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
Yeah, it's like, oh good, right, game. Everybody's numbers, everybody's
numbers look better now on the year. And that's what
it is. And I don't care about the numbers. I
care about the scoreboard. But you get what I'm saying.
You know, it's just gotta be Hey, let's clean some
things up. Let's not try to be too cute, and
let's try to run behind behind the left side of

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off its line. Let's get outside and let's r pot
to funk out of these guys. Like, if there's a
week to just go r P O city, it's this one.
You know what I mean, Play Max Crosby, play him.
You're gonna crash on Saquan or you take him me
play him, dude, Make him work like that, you know

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what I mean, Make him have to make decisions. And
that's you know, and I get it. That makes the
RPO hard. But you know, the RPO where you have
the you know, rum pass option like we're talking about.
You know now you slow him up too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
And in those aspects, so you slowed the lineman up. Man,
you slow. This is the simplest shit in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
You slow, you slow, linebackers up, and you slow, you
slow all the secondary You make them have to wait
a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
They got to make a decision, and they made the
wrong one. There's a big play. That's how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
So it's like, why would you not.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
You have a quarterback who's ran in his whole life essentially.
I mean I was like pretty much he ran at Batman.
Now when we got to Oklahoma and he ran more
of a spread offense type and he's and he's ran
a lot of everything here. To be honest with you, yeah,
like they've on spread, they've done pretty much everything with him.
And I look at it and go, okay, like a
great coach would do. What do we think we're most

(01:23:08):
successful at? What do we think we should build we're struggling,
what do we think, you know, we should build our
identity around?

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Well immediately ding ding ding r po and it goes back.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
It goes back to an adjustment that Doug Peterson and
Frank Wright made here in twenty seventeen, or they didn't
feel like they're gonna be good enough to drop back
and throw it all over you. They felt like they
had to make defenses, make decisions, and they thought Nick
was smart enough to expose that. Boy were they right?

(01:23:44):
Boy were they right? So you ain't got nothing to
lose at this point. You can't get worse offensively, that's
for damn sure. And tempo I think for this offense
is the key because I think when you get him
up the line of scrimmage early and you allow him
to sort of look around, I think he's played better.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
Man, you can't put every interception arm either got to
catch the ball, the two definitely too.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Definitely the last one. The late throw can't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
And you and you jump backwards, right, that's my that's
like my my biggest takeaway of that is you were
falling backwards at that No one, no one in the
world is going to have the zippity dude on that
ball when you're falling backwards, especially not Jalen, Right, you
know what I mean, somebody's gun slingers might because that's
what they do. Right, Jalen is just not that. So

(01:24:42):
he's falling backwards. He had just throw it out of
bounds or throw it or like last second check at
the Dallas or even throw at Dallas's feet. Just lived
to one more bullet, right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Don't force.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
And I think when you're struggling as an athlete, and
I say this all the time, the hitters too, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
You know, you're trying so.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Hard to get out of it, you force it, and
you try to force getting out of it and let
me letting the game come to you, trusting what you
do and breathe, you know what I mean. And I
think when you're going through a swamp like he's going through,
he's trying so hard to get out of it, and
and then it starts creating bad decision making, which he's

(01:25:24):
not known to do. Even in times he'll throw at
thirty thirty five, he's not really known even to make
a ton of bad decisions in those. It's just not
a record isn't as good. It's not like you know,
he's been known to throw that picks, you know, three
picks a game. It's not his m regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Just it was just absolutely and that's why you almost
throw that to me, Like, I almost throw that away
because it's so not him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Once you get pitched too, you're like, all right, this
is said off game, right, everybody goes through it this game.
Just just crumble it up. At the end of the game,
will win or lose, crumble it up, throw it away
and learn from it because he yeah, he's never I
mean he's going and throwing what five interceptions in the season,

(01:26:17):
you know, I think last year I did not actually five, right,
but he's been single digits and interceptions, I think at
least last year especially, so they almost topped that at
one game. You're like, hold up, let's go it on here,
let's just forget this. It's like when your teachers used
to when you used to like bell curve a grade, right,
you throw the top one out, you throw the last

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one out, and everything in the middle is Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Play calling just doesn't make sense to me either.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Yeah, right, Like when you talk about in a close
game like that, we're just gonna we're just gonna drop
back that much when I have a quarterback that's sort
of struggling a little bit, and and the trend is
he's he's turning it over a little bit tonight. Right,
Let's let's try to let's try to make easier decisions

(01:27:03):
with the football.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Let's keep going that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Well, right, yeah, let's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Let's try let's try to get let's try to get
more like, you know, five yard routes, more stuff that
you know, you guys get what I'm saying. Let's run
the football a little bit more when we were having
a little bit more success with it, Like, let's you know,
let's let's not overthink it. Let's not force the issue,
because then I think it's coaches, we're forcing the issue too.

(01:27:28):
Now right, we're trying to get out of here, trying
to get the big play right, and you're not getting it,
so you're trying even harder. And then pick at the
end of the game happens. So again, I put this
football game. If you had my list of guys, I
started with you guys might laugh at this, But I
started with AJ he catches those balls, who knows? And

(01:27:53):
then I go right to jam.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Like a look, if it hits your hands, you got
to catch the ball, and I get it. He had
six grabs or whatever the fuck he had for one
hundred but huh, to that ten. Yeah exactly. I mean,
I mean I don't care what his status where the
bottom line is he had some critical drops and we
need to see him focus for you know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
I've said it all year. You got to play for
four quarters the fucking four quarter game. You need to
focus for four quarters. You need to have your head
out of your ass for four quarters. You get you're
getting paid to play four quarters of football.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
I don't know how. I can't put it in any
planar English than that, you know, Jesse. It's not with
the fan base or with anybody else or anybody on
this platform or anything like my frustration is with this team.
It's with certain individuals that are more worried about other

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bullshit than getting the job done on the field.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Yeah, I do think. I do think it's both.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Yeah, I mean I do think it's a little bit
of a quarterback and I do think it's a part
of another new play call right and yep, trying to
get that vibe together on what works together, which is
never easy to do. And we've watched it a couple
of different times, so I mean, yeah, nobody's nobody's saying

(01:29:31):
like that, oh you know, oh bad play call. So
it's all it's all Patullo. I mean, if you're saying that,
you're a moron, so if you're not, if you're not,
then also saying, well, I got a franchise quarterback. He
needs to make up for things. So I mean, listen, baby,
that goes both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
You're not always going to get the perfect offensive coordinator
for you. For yourself, it's not always going to be
that perfect. So you got to rise to your level
of play. And I think when you get the when
you get a perfect storm in a negative way, you
get quarterback up in his play and play cards really

(01:30:10):
not built for it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
This is where you go where you go. I don't
think the perfect offense.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Around him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Yeah, I don't think he needs. I don't. I don't
think he's a guy that needs like a perfect offense.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
This is an offense I think's gon to run the
ball a little bit up until like this week, and
they've had a little little spurts, right but Jesse, this
is a football team hasn't run it. When you look
around the league on team that can't run the football,
most of those teams aren't even in the playoffs. Right now,
You've got to be able to run it enough enough.
So I mean you want to say perfect, no, good enough?

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
Man, I believe it's good enough. He'll win football games.
I think anybody that thinks otherwise, I think that's not fair.
You know. I think if the opens the line run
blocks well enough, they would win more football games.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
This team doesn't need to be perfect, man, All they
need to be is average. If their offense is average,
you're you're the one seed right now. Yep, the one
seed right now. If your offense plays average football, but
they've had they've had the biggest three and our percentage
in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Right, You're.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Right exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
So it's it's been the most predictable offense in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Some of that comes down to Patulo's first time being
a play caller, and some of it comes down to Jalen. Right,
it comes down to what can your offense do well
right now? And what we did last year was run
the football? Well, what can't we do right now? Run
the football? Okay, So what we have to do in
the turn throw the football more. What Jalen isn't as
good at throwing the football more? Right, So it have

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everything be perfect. You have the majority of everything that
was here last year is still here, right, But there's injuries,
there's play call designs that have changed, there's yep, you know,
your different situations.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Right. You not to say that like last year was
like a perfect storm, but it kind of was. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
You bring in somebody in Saquon Barkley, who had the
freshest legs that he's probably ever had in his entire life,
gets but gets to be able to run behind the
best offensive line in football, and right now they're not
playing like that. So obviously he's not playing like the
same type of player right right, And because of that,
Jalen has to put more on his shoulders. So he's
got to, you know, whether he's trying to force things

(01:32:34):
or not, who knows. And then there's also the you
have a brand new play caller who, even though he's
been on staff for four years, has never done this before,
has no you know, and Eagles have had two veteran
play callers in the two six.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Seasons that they had success in.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Both of them leave and there's no there's there's there's
a correlation on why the offense has struggled somewhat. Both
in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five. Yeah, because
you don't have a veteran type play call.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Right, It's not easy. I'm not saying it's easy that
you can do this, but like.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
There's a reason that guys don't have a long time
in that position.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
But what we over I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:17):
I don't want to say we overreacted in twenty three
when you fired both of your defensive coordinators, but it
didn't work when he did at that time. So why
would you once again fire an offensive coordinator who's struggling
other than trying to work it out now? Again, I
don't know what the right play here is. I think
it all comes down to play design and coaching and

(01:33:37):
like game planning and then making sure you're taking care
of the football, which for the majority of the season
you've done well, right, But you also have to take
you have to take some form of risks, right. I
think Jalen's put so much risk into the last two
games trying to overcome the deficiencies that they've.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Had, which is why he's looked so bad.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
Right, Like you hit have the vanilla offense and then
switch to like, all right, I have to throw this
ball into the tightest window we've ever tried to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
For it, you can't do it both ways.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
You have to find some way where you can do
some vanilla stuff and then also mix in a few
shot plays here and there, because again we've had wed.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
So I think, I don't I don't really know what
to do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
But again, you got everything's still in front of you.
We've talked about it all that, everything's in front of you.
If you play average offensive football, your defense will win
you games.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
Yeah, I mean, this is what we have to do
at this point. We have to find a way week
in and week out to be the more physical team.
And I know that it's going to be very, very
difficult for this offensive line given how beat up it is,
but we have to find a way to consistently run

(01:34:55):
the football at least half decently.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
I get it. We're not it's going to be road
graders like we were last season, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
And I understand Saque isn't going to magically turn into
the two thousand plus yard gazelle that he was last year,
all right, But with that understood, we can't abandon the run.
We have to find a way to pound the rock.
And it's proven that when Jalen throws the ball less

(01:35:27):
than twenty five times per game, we win the football
game a majority of the time, much more often than
we lose. And we just have to find a way
to stay just stay out of third and long. And
the way to do that is to have shorter, safer
passes and you know, maybe a screen pass once in

(01:35:50):
a while, you know. I mean, if you can find
a way to get a little bit of movement up
front and just move that front seven back a little bit,
we can get into third and short third and manageable,
and I think we will have a much better chance

(01:36:14):
of staying on the field, keeping our defense off the field,
keeping our defense pressure, and I think in the long run,
we have a chance to still accomplish some things this year.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
But that's our only shot right now. I mean, if
we have jail In trying to throw the football forty
or forty five times a freaking game, it's not gonna
work because he's just not that type of quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Yeah, but I don't know if that's our only shot
because we've played as bad as we have the last
three weeks, and we were in every game and we
lost we physically lost every game. The only game that
you could say that we didn't lose. And I don't
know if we said this off air, if I said
this earlier, was it IROs game? That's the only game,
the first Giants game. That's the only game that we
got physically beat up and annihilated. You could say park

(01:37:08):
most of the Bears game, we did, but we were
we had the ball or we had a chance to
make it happen, right, another miskick you missed a two
point conversion? Was that game in a different in a
different scenario.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
But every other game we've we've had the game or
we've had a chance to win the game, and we
just did it. All everything that's going wrong, we're still
right there in every game. So did you need one
or two plays to be made? You just need one

(01:37:43):
or two plays? And I and I think you get
it this week. I think you get it this week.
You sit there, and I think we talked about it earlier.
You sit there, you go, when's the breaking point for
this locker room? Not necessarily a breaking point, but when
is it like finally, like, Yo, what are we doing?
What are we doing? When are we going to sack

(01:38:04):
up ourselves right, regardless of the outside noise. When are
we going to sack up? No better time at home?
Raiders coming into town, sack up twenty eight to thirteen Eagles.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
Okay, that's great. I love a sack upper. What I'll
say is, you know, I need jail on hearts. So
I think the biggest thing I need to see on Sunday,
besides being more consistent right, is using those checkdowns right,
getting into the checkdowns over in the middle, getting into

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some of these guys, getting through some of the progressions
a little bit quicker.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
You know, when somebody brought up to me, do you
think he's been hitting the head like within the last
like month and a half. That's he's like, he's just
looks slower, like slower than me for a decision making.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
And it wasn't an Eagles fan, just to clarify, so
I was like, oh, listen, maybe I'm like you. I
haven't really thought much about it, but I mean it
could be a possibility. But I'm not here to make
those excuses or assumptions. But he has to get to
that third to that third option. He has to be
able to take the four, four or five yards are

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giving you. This offense will sustain so many more drives
if we just trust in what is there, take what
they give you. And to say that's easier said than done,
I think it's bullshit. You see a lot of quarterbacks
keep good completion percentage because they do that way too much, right,
and they don't they're not willing the stretch to fiel,

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they're not willing to take that deep ball, chance that
fifty to fifty ball.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Right, So you can do both.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
And if you're taking those checkdowns right now, you're now
what you're doing is you're getting yourself in second and
shorts and different things like that. But now you're opening
up that play action deep ball. You're opening up some
of those other things in your offense that you're not
gonna be able to do it third and ten. When
you predict that's predictable. Predictable isn't. Oh look they run

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the ball in first down. That's not what predictable means. Predictable,
in my opinion, means you get yourself in predictable downs
in this lake.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
That's the difference of predictability. Like I can guess all
day on a short man.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
Yeah, well, listen, I can guess all day what somebody's doing,
but it's got to get that right on my end
then right, and that's not going to go make a play.
But predictability comes if I'm in a if I'm in
a third and twelve right, if I'm in a second
and second and twelve right, if I'm backed up, then
you know, most likely I'm gonna be forced to throw
the football. So that's where they become predictable, more so

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than routes than anything else. But that being said, twenty
eight ten Eagles.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Love it.

Speaker 6 (01:40:54):
Oh, Kenny, Kenny, two gloves is terrible. All right, let's
be honest, and let's be honest with ourselves. We need
to win so fucking badly. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
I know, I said thirty five to three earlier on
the show, guess what.

Speaker 6 (01:41:19):
I'll back off. I think we win this football game.
Give me twenty seven to ten. I want to see
a full four quarter effort. Come on, I mean, I look,
I don't need to see sixty three to nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
I get it, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:41:38):
Not every play is going to be perfect, I get it.
But I want to see consistency. I want to see
us sustaining drives and Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
I know it may be asking a lot from a
beat up offensive line, but I want you to impose
your fucking will because that's what you get a paycheck for.

Speaker 10 (01:41:56):
That's what you're getting paid to do. You're getting paid
to not commit stupid holding penalties. You're compaying. You're paid
to not commit false start penalties. You know, you're you're
paid to play mistake free football.

Speaker 11 (01:42:10):
Do your assignment, Do your job, and the guy on
the other side of the line of scrimmage that you're facing,
drive his ass backwards, you know, drive his ass five
yards down the field, and let's put it in Saquon's hands,
run it off tackle and take one sixty fucking yards, you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
Know, and hand it to him again and again in
game five, Game four, Game three, just pound the shit
out of them, and yeah, let's get the fucking job done.

Speaker 5 (01:42:49):
Twenty to eleven, twenty two Jesus twenty twenty oh eleven, Ah,
twenty to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
That's right. You had to go because you disagreed that
a double wall.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Look, this is what that's a two possession game.

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
That's this is what I want, right, I want to
see one thing. I want the Eagles to be up
by that score with like five five minutes into the
fourth quarter, and I do not want the Raiders to
get the ball back.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
That's what I want.

Speaker 5 (01:43:23):
If you show me that you're up by two scorers
in the fourth quarter, like a ten ten ish point game,
and you get the ball back with like under ten
minutes to go, and you do not let the Raiders
get the football back, then I will have all all
the confidence in the world and this team going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
That's what I want. It's the only thing I want
this week.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
Yeah, we're gonna make it twenty seven to eleven. No,
go score in four minutes and make it. That's fine
to your point, Yeah, I get.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
You, but like, go, go, get go.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
Give me a put away drive. I haven't seen a
put away drive all year. Give you a put away drive.
Either run, run the clock out, or go score a
touchdown where you so you get the ball back of
ten minutes, go do a six minute drive, score a touchdown,
put the game officially out of reach even though the
game was already out of reach.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Do something like that for me this week.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
So we're talking, we're talking to snow. We're talking, we're
talking snow, we're talking. Elements on Sunday, and we're talking
players at the game. So I'll save the clear and
obvious one for somebody else. And I'm gonna go to quarterback.

(01:44:40):
And yeah, it's a snow game, which means use your legs.
Let's go be the playmaker that you are, right, Go
rush for seventy five yards, right, Go go break off
some big runs.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
I'm against a bad defense, right, and go go.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
Throw for just go don't turn the football over in
the snow, right, get enough big plays on shorter throws
that just go further. You gotta get where I'm going
with that, right and right, don't try to do.

Speaker 12 (01:45:09):
Too much and just be for efficient, Just be efficient
and use your legs and you and then the run
game opens up and who knows, maybe get a deep
ball in the snow, right, who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
But that's all that's what they need to do, that's
what he needs to do. Get back to just winning football,
get back to the snow will do that to you.
The snow won't make you have to do less. And
I think the snow is perfect for this offense this week.
I just believe that I want to believe that going
back to the basics and going back to the little

(01:45:41):
smash mouth and going back to you are a playmaker.
I am not paying you fifty million dollars of sitting
in the damn pocket, right. I don't need your rollouts
and throwaways. I need you to be able to make
plays with your legs that cannot be taken away from
his game.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
If it is you get.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Tonal completely agree. I mean, look Jesse's commenterpos.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Rushing two tidies, two tudies on the ground for hurts
and not even touchies.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Get back to that. Let's get back to that. Those
for fun days, two rushing touchdowns when he was a
touchdown merchant.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
I don't even want to toushy. I want straight. You
know inside the ten, you know two goal the goal
to go and you and you go rush one in
break when.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
The defense just gets to up upfield right and you
go take what you go, take two to the house
that way and run running d back over right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
Let's get back to Let's get back to you being
the guy that we drafted that was a playmaker first.
And if everybody else don't like it, they can kiss
my ass because we're about winning football games. You want,
you want fifteen targets in the snow. You can kiss
my ass too, you know what I mean. So something

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that you can kiss my ass on. And I'll leave
the other guys to you, because another guy who needs
needs to needs a response. Game two, and we'll see
if somebody picks.

Speaker 6 (01:47:12):
Them there, I'll say him right now, let's go, I
mean him. But yeah, well we could use a buck
twenty in the snow.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
That was the clear and obvious one. Yeah, yeah, well
buck twenty. I can use a buck fifty in the snow,
you kidd.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Hey, I'll take it. You give me a buck, give
me a buck twenty and two touchdown from touchdowns from Saquon.
I just want to see us sustained drives, impose our
will play with an edge again. That's what I want
to say. I mean Jesse's point here, he said, if
we score twenty seven points, I'll be so happy. Remember

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when we used to be able to just run into
Remember when we used to be able to run in
to thirty points by accident? You know what I mean. Well,
and it seemed effortless when we were going well, especially
last year.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
When you run the football, well, it happens exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
And I want to see us may get a running
game going, and yes, part of that, definitely Tommy needs
to be Jalen's legs as well. I mean there's no
question that's where it starts. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
I mean anybody who thinks it starts elsewhere as an idiot.
Anybody thinks that last year wasn't started. And the reason
that these holes were there was one because of a
damn good opensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Yeah yeah. The other reason is, though, is his legs.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
Are so respected, yep, and then the guys on the
outside were so respected.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:48:51):
So when you when you respect all these guys and
you don't know who to really try to shut down, right,
you get these explosive plays and then you start believing
in yourself and them, right.

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
So to your point, listen, I think James just said
this just nailed, and I was just gonna yell it.
But I think they went out and I only get
ahead of ourselves because it's a week the week or
for sure, right, and you better go beat the raiders.
But if they're who I think they are, and I

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hope they are guys, I really hope it. It's a
lot of hope here in this conversation. Is they go
run the table and they go answer it, They go
answer the bell of hey, all those three weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
But look at us, Look at us.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
We're one of the higher teams going into the playoffs now,
not meaning win loss wise, not the rats, because I'll
riddle everybody, this defense can still win the damn championships.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
We just watched it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
So if you don't turn the football over and you've
got a damn good defense and you're a playoff team,
you are dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Ye, you are dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
Like you can go look at the numbers and you
can just go over the last decade of who wins
the turnover margin in each game and the win loss.
You can keep breakdowns of games as simple as that.
You don't even need to do a podcast every night.
You can come on, I can say, hey.

Speaker 8 (01:50:15):
Welcome to everybody walking d Wednesday nights. Go through everybody's name,
that everybody that we're brought to you by. We're gonna
break this game down before you real quick. We're gonna
get the other things. And the breakdown is who doesn't
turn the football over? Who turns the football over less.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Than the other person?

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
Bless you great, because whoever does that, whoever does whoever
does that wins the football game. That's the easiest concept
in the world. Those numbers are out of your out
of it, out of our minds, those numbers. That's how
clear and obvious it is. So when you've got a
great defense and you play to that, and I don't

(01:50:48):
even like the word game manager, a fishing smart with
the football.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
The many times you ain't gonna have to get in
the shootout, that's not what we're talking. Is that what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
But more often than that, you're gonna be out there
winning football games because you're not the one turn it over.
Exhibit A. The Philadelphia goddamn Eagles and Jalen Hurts when
they're damn good. It's exhibit A right in front of
our damn face. So zero turnover from Jalalen Hurts Sunday
is a role job.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
Give me a goose egg.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
We roll you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
So all right? Sorry again, you know what I mean.
I was just ready to fall out.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
And the beauty of it is if we went out, guys,
we still have a shot at the number one seed.
I mean, how many wins do the Rams have right now?

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
Ten to night they got three losses right, So you're
two two two and two. We beat them out right,
it's it ain't hard.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
And they played. Don't they play Seattle tomorrow in Seattle?

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Yes, I don't know if it's in Seattle, I think
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Yeah, but either way, offense part of with wrapping off.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:52:07):
Okay, going back to the well, we're gonna we're gonna
expand a little bit. Jordan my lot and friend, Uh
Fred right, Fred Johnson. Now, if if those if those
two guys can keep Max Crosby away from Jalen Hurts,
the Eagles destroy the Raiders, because Max Crosby is the
Raiders defense. If you can you're not gonna You're not

(01:52:30):
gonna eliminate him all together. But if the Eagles allow
a sack or less from Max Crosby, they'll win this
game by it no, pretty handily. Now, if if this,
if these two guys can hold Max Crawsby, then nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
It will be a blowout.

Speaker 5 (01:52:48):
But he he's too good of a player to not
have any impact at all. But if they can contain
him and they'll not allow him to go nuts, then
should be in a decent situation there.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
Sure, Uh, defensive player of the game. Mmmm me give
me a give me a cue with a big, big
pick six. So now I keep saying it, trying to
talk it in talking with the collection.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
Just give me, give me a cute fiction with snow,
a little snow ange at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
You have the celebration down.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
And let's and let's and we're going to force somebody
to a football offensively. Let's force the Vonte Smith the
football this week. If we're gonna go out there forcing
the football, all right, let's rot off these defensive guys. Well,
you guys can keep talking. I gotta I gotta roll,
but talk swarps. Obviously you can't forget to touch about that.
So you know, enjoy yourselves, and I love you is

(01:53:54):
and I'll see everybody tomorrow night because I got another
one to do. So the only reason I'm checking out
at the at the two hour mark, it's gonna got
another one. That got another one doing tomorrow and I'm sure,
I'm sure Kyle will be on that docket. So I'll
get my you know, two cents in. But if you
think it's a bad signing, you're just an idiot. And
I'll and I'll leave that there. All right, boy's good. Greg,

(01:54:15):
you good to sign us off? Yeah all right, bebe second,
all right, No.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Have a great week buddy, you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
Too, brother. I'll see you next Wednesday after a.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Dub and yeah, you know it better be a fucking dub.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Doubt it will it will talking into existence, have a
little confidence, all right. I love then Kobe Dean Jesse.
He's a monster. I told you guys a month two
months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
He's the best.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
He's the best pass uh boitzer I've seen from the
linebackers final while he's blows dudes up.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
You guys didn't know that. I'm the same.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
We talked about it, you know, a while ago, and
then now they you know, not a national guys are on.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Yeah I can't cover, but everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
All right, What's what happens if you don't have a knees.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
No lateral movement straight downhill? Got it all day, all day?

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
Just jump fire my body to just run straight through people.

Speaker 14 (01:55:20):
Yeah alright, Uh defensive player game, he went, Q I
go someone on the defensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Uh give me no one Smith. I saw a couple
of flashes from him the other night. I think you
see more from him this week. He's been a little
down since he came back from the injury. Uh so
I'm hoping. I'm hoping to see some more progression because
I liked a little bit of what I saw the
other night.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
There you go like that, going with a guy who
had a massive game this past week, Jordan Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
Mats talk about monster.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
I think he had two sacks, like he was so good.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
From a guy who doesn't usually get sacks.

Speaker 5 (01:56:14):
Right, Yeah, this Raiders offensive line is so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
It's so bad.

Speaker 5 (01:56:20):
So he's gonna we're we're the Eagles that in general
are gonna hold gent to under three yards to carry.
Jordan Davia's gonna have two tackles for loss and a
strip sack.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Cool talk thirty to me, buddy, good thing, good thing.
You won't be golfing. You'll be able to watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
I'm still be golfing.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Did you joined Brinks in the dentist? That's where he
said he'd rather watch than watch this offense.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
I might go find a stimulator somewhere, go hang out there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
For a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
Yeah, they're so expensive, they are, they really are. Yeah,
what is like eighty bucks for an hour?

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Yeah, it depends, it depends.

Speaker 5 (01:57:02):
Well, yes, it depends, but yeah, it's around the golf
insane anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
Fucking nuts and you know he throw beers on top
of it. It's one hundred and twenty dollars. God damn,
I'll becusually watch the game. But anyway, let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:57:18):
All right, I'll stick along with the theme of the
front seven for you guys, give me Jalen Phillips.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
Let's go. Yeah, I think uh, I think he'll have
a sack in there, you know, as you as you
said bright, I mean, the Raiders are dog shit all
the way around, especially on offense. They haven't moved the
ball all year. Their offensive lines of shambles, their quarterback
play as a shambles. You know, they suck.

Speaker 6 (01:57:52):
We need to take full advantage. You know, it's it
is time to step on somebody's throat, and I and
large we have not done that all year long. It's
this team has frustrated the hell out of me, and
it's it's time to take it out on the Las

(01:58:13):
Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Let's go.

Speaker 6 (01:58:15):
You know, everything is played for Yeah, and that's that's
that's that's the silver lining here. It as poorly as
we've played in spots this year and you know, certainly
these last three games have been god awful. I mean
you look at the Dallas game. You know, had a

(01:58:37):
twenty one point lead. Of course we couldn't hold it
because we couldn't sustain any drives, you know, and the
defense gets gassed and eventually Dak picks us apart.

Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
Right, and it all comes down to not being able
to run the football. When you run the ball, you
move the chains and you keep you keep our defense
fresh and off the field, and damn it, I want

(01:59:08):
to get back to that. And look, I know we're
not gonna be road graders, but meet and meet me
somewhere in the middle, you know, show some type of
physicality up front and defensively.

Speaker 6 (01:59:25):
I mean, you know, I know at times we at
times we look great this year. At other times we
look like we did in the fucking Bears game. But
all in all, yeah, it's our defense that's gonna They're
gonna have to play very very well for us to

(01:59:47):
you know, do two for us to make a deep
playoff run.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
But that that can still happen. It's all like you
guys said, it's all still there for the taking.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
Go fucking take.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
That's all I got as far as that's concerned. But
h and what do y'all think about h. Schwarberg re signing.
I mean, I think we're all well safe to say,
we're all in agreement that that was a pretty good move, right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
I disagree?

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
Is but I agree?

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
Yeah, I disagree.

Speaker 3 (02:00:24):
I don't know. Fifty six Helmers is all? That's what?
That's quite nice to have in your lineup.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Isn't it gonna be forty when when the contract's done?
My issue has always been years. My issue has always
been years. I don't care you give them one hundred
and fifty million over three years. My issues is always years. Yeah,
And for the same and listen, you can, you can
say it all you want, but for the same contract,
I'd rather have Peter A Lonzo because it offers you

(02:00:52):
a little bit more flexibility. It gives you the right
handed power back that you show desperately need. Right, listen,
let me least restart a. I love that, Kyle Swearers,
I I do like it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
I do like it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
But it's a lot of money, a lot of years
for a guy that has come up small in October. Again,
this whole team has come up small in October. So
if We're gonna resign Swerber to a ship ton of money,
and then we're gonna resign j T. It was a
ship a ton of money. What are we doing differently?

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
You could have given as it turns out, you could
have given Alonzo the same amount of money. Movie either
Bryce the right field or d h you get that
right handed power back. We saw it what Alonzo did
behind Soto, imagine what you do behind Harper.

Speaker 3 (02:01:38):
Is Breg, Benner and Tucker still out there?

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan. Everyone's out there. Everyone's
out there offense. The only one that signed is is
Swebber and Alonso.

Speaker 5 (02:01:50):
But so this was just a matter of time. You
knew Kyle Shower was coming back. It was it was
always gonna happen. It was just a matter of what
the numbers were going to be. Yes, right now, I
do understand at the end of the contract to we
thirty seven. I get it right, But like you've seen
it in all in all sports, like especially like the

(02:02:12):
quarterback position and guys in baseball now guys stay in
for a lot longer than he used to be, right,
I think that like the thirty two year old Kalece
Schober had the best season of his entire career. Right,
He's gotten progressively better over the last few years, whereas
usually once you get to the other side of thirty
start going the opposite way. So, I some people think

(02:02:36):
that paying him as much money as he's as he
gets the thirty million dollars a year is a destriminate only.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
Because he only hits.

Speaker 5 (02:02:44):
I think it helps because all he does is hit,
so that to go play defense, he goes take swings
in the middle of the game if he wants right,
and he's shown you that he can hit leadoff. He's
showing you that he can hit clean up right. And
this year when everyone's like, well why is he not
batting leadoff?

Speaker 3 (02:03:00):
Hit clean up? And he hit fifty six home runs
and almost won the MVP. If Shohana time, it doesn't exist.

Speaker 5 (02:03:05):
The dude wins m v P and then like everybody's
fighting for his services, which it's not like people weren't that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
I know, Pittsburgh offered him.

Speaker 2 (02:03:13):
I know since Pittsburgh speaking, that was shocked they came up.
I mean they offered real money.

Speaker 3 (02:03:17):
Yeah, it was I think it was for Yeah, so
Pittsburgh offered him.

Speaker 5 (02:03:23):
Uh, Baltimore offered him, Cincinnati offered him.

Speaker 3 (02:03:26):
They didn't the Mets. Weren't they contemplating offering him they
brought it up.

Speaker 5 (02:03:31):
Yes, yeah, right, So I think I think Boston was
looking at bringing him back to like all of these
teams which are like I don't know that all necessary contenders,
like Baltimore is for sure, and.

Speaker 3 (02:03:46):
Like Boston would be like if if.

Speaker 5 (02:03:48):
These guys you're fighting for, like the guy who's essentially
your clubhouse leader, he's the heart and soul of your
locker room, even though Bryce is your franchise player, he's
the heart and soul of your locker room.

Speaker 3 (02:03:59):
Sure, right.

Speaker 5 (02:04:00):
And the contract that you gave Kyle Schwarber the nine
years between the last one and this one, it's like
nine years and essentially the same amount of money that
you gave Bryce Harper, right, And Kyle Schwarmer has been
the better player of the last three years.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
So I don't really know what we're arguing about here.

Speaker 5 (02:04:19):
I guess he's not as valuable just because he's only hitting.

Speaker 3 (02:04:22):
He's not giving me the defense in side.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
I don't I'm with you. I don't buy into that
side of it. I just more for me Again, I
understand that I you know, I'm more of a out
on the outside of this one, right, But to me
it was you're always looking for a right handed bat,
and it just offered a little bit more flexibility because

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you could have shored up a couple of different spots.
But like you said earlier in your part, we knew
he was coming back. It was just a matter of
what the number was. And in reality, it's not my money.
So what do I really care?

Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
I and I think we do it. Yeah, go ahead, Sorry,
no you say at this.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
Point you need to bring it home now?

Speaker 3 (02:05:07):
Oh no, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
You're gonna win one at least one in this in
this five years then. And that goes for too because
we sit there and we hammer the people across the
street that one that want something, and we we to
we you know, we torch them down every week. But

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everybody across the street that plays in those two stadiums
gets free pass city over here.

Speaker 5 (02:05:34):
Yeah, anybody who has a problem with the money, right,
and any any of these contracts, any of them at all,
any of these massive contracts that could go Otani, Soto,
Bryce Harper, Schwarber, anybody, right. The Sistins Bag Park has
forty five thousand seats. Right, you have eighty one home
games a year. If your average ticket price, say it's

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one hundred dollars, even though it's higher, I don't know
what the actual number is. Say it's one hundred dollars,
it's three it's three hundred and sixty five million dollars
that the Phillies are getting a ticket revenue that's just
tickets that that one season paid for Bryce Harper's contract.

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
Yep, A third of the season pays for whatever you're
paying Kyle Schwarber. Right now, the money.

Speaker 5 (02:06:19):
Doesn't matter, and that and that, and then that doesn't
include TV revenue, ticket or Jersey sales, food sales, parking,
all of this stuff not included. It's just physically this
upcoming season's ticket record, which doesn't include playoff tickets.

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
The money does not matter.

Speaker 5 (02:06:40):
Right, So you go out there and you go get
a guy that you know you need in the locker
room that's going to be there as a team player. Right,
a guy who's I know it's been a while, but
he's won a World Series before, right, And a guy
who finished second in MVP voting last year. And if
he if Shoheva Timy didn't exist, he would have won.

Speaker 10 (02:07:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
Well, the only thing, the only thing I'll fight push
back on you there on is the money doesn't matter.
As long as it doesn't hinder Dombrowski from doing other things,
then the money matters.

Speaker 10 (02:07:13):
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:14):
You shouldn't sign both of them.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
You shouldn't. S right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:20):
You you want to get you want to get crazy,
you want to fight the Dodgers who are about to
get Scooball they're not. There's a lot of rumors out
there that it's damn near done.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
My god, I'll lose my mind.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
It's it's got to be because of the deal. Everything's
like obviously it's got to be signed off by by
management and stuff like that and ownership. But there's no
there's a whole bunch of like mocks and stuff, but
of what it potentially could be. But it would be
it would be stupid for the game if that happens.

Speaker 3 (02:07:54):
Like that, I need, uh, we gotta go get stupid
with it. Let's go. I mean no, I need whether
it's Tucker, whether it's you.

Speaker 5 (02:08:03):
Know, if that were to happen, I need Rob Fromanford
to bud ceiling this thing and just veto that like
how like how he did it with like he will
let a Rod go to the Red Sox.

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
I need him to do that with what was the
NBA the Chris Paul move.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
Yeah, the Chris Paul move. Yeah, like we can't. It
can't happen.

Speaker 5 (02:08:21):
He can't have the back to back World Series winners
trading for a guy who's dominated baseball the last two years.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
But he can't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
And then when I got the premiere back end of
the Bullpen.

Speaker 3 (02:08:31):
Guy, and I think sticks, but I get it anyway.
I think that's I think. I think I don't he
got forty dollars him getting I don't think it's forty.
I think it's like thirty five. But either way, he's
making for thirty nine. Yeah, but like him making that

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much money.

Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
Crazy, so absurd crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:08:55):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, like look now, now it's
what's next.

Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
Because Kyle was talking to his press conference today that oh, yeah,
like I know I want JT to come back.

Speaker 5 (02:09:06):
He's been recruiting him, which again, the Phillies are in
a situation where you either have to do that and
bring him back on whatever he wants, or you go
trade for Adley Rutchman because they just got Pete Alonzo
and then they have Sam Passala play catcher. Or you
go out and I don't know who else might be available, but.

Speaker 3 (02:09:22):
Like you got to go get somebody else. Then it
has to be a trade.

Speaker 5 (02:09:26):
But then yeah, I know you have to go and
look at like are you gonna go and sign Alex Bregman?
Are you gonna go after Kyle Tucker? Are you going
to go trade for kel Marte? Which I've heard a
lot of rumors about the Phillies are in on that.

Speaker 3 (02:09:38):
So but what does that look like? I said, take
all three mm Brenton Doyle, I would like.

Speaker 5 (02:09:48):
Realistically, like what are what are we gonna do? It's
it's what's the next? Because you do have to change
some stuff up. You bring Harrison Vader back, Like I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:09:59):
A huge Doy guy, but sell me on it. What
what does Doyle do? And I don't watch a lot
of Rockies, right, he's does Doyle do that? I know
it's gonna be a terrible comparison, but like, but if
he's a defense speed guy, which it seems like he is,
what's he do differently than Rojas?

Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
He's a much better than Ross.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
Okay, I'm looking.

Speaker 3 (02:10:21):
I'm looking at his numbers.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
Hang on.

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
But because that's what I never got with him, because
he was he was brought up at the deadline, right,
he was probably at the deadline. He's brought up a
couple other spots. But and and I know it's easy
just to overlook guys that are that are wasting away
in Colorado. But it's just you sit there and I'm like,
all right, what does this guy do?

Speaker 3 (02:10:42):
He had a bit of a.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
Now if you go to Colorado, do you go to
Colorado for Doyle?

Speaker 3 (02:10:48):
And this last year he had a bit of a
down yere right? Please?

Speaker 1 (02:10:55):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:10:56):
So he was an old glover his rookie year and
last year, yeah, the rookie year. Last year he's a
center fielder, right, and last year he his war was four.
He had a four war last year with like a
one o two ops he had. He had a good
year again. Two years ago he had twenty two, twenty
three home runs, seventy two RBIs, He had thirty stolen bases,

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like he can give you a little bit of everything.
This past year he had two thirty three two seventy
four OVP But again like there's nobody in that lineup.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (02:11:30):
I feel like if you put him here and you
put him behind Trey Turner in front of Trey Turner right,
and then go Bryce Harper, I don't even hit two
eighty if you if you hit to seventy right, like
he swiped thirty bags.

Speaker 3 (02:11:45):
In the middle in the either at the top of
this order in center field, I'd take gold glove like
it's it's and he's what because it's only he's paid
three years, so he's what. He's he's twenty he's gonna
turn twenty five in a couple.

Speaker 2 (02:12:04):
Yeah, he's also young.

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
He's young.

Speaker 5 (02:12:07):
He's like arbitration, Like he's not due for a contract
anytime soon. So like depending on whatever the asking price is.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
No again, Yeah, I think all you hear or all
I saw was that, you know, Rockies were obviously listening
for him, right uh, and they were entertaining offers and
I know, Yeah, he won a goal glove on a
hundred lost team. I find Ezekiel Tobar also won a
goal glove on one hundred lost team. Like the fact

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that the Rockies had two goal glovers that year on
a hundred lost team.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
To me, is.

Speaker 3 (02:12:43):
Yeah, all right, let me see. But I guess my
point that there needs to be more moves made, and
I think he's even even with the Schwarber signing, there's
still money there for moves to be made. I mean, hey,
stupid money. Stupid money. So what let's go. You you

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want to beat you want to beat the Dodgers, who
are the best in baseball right now? Well, then you
know we have to have the arsenal to do.

Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
It, you know, Well, yeah, that's that's exactly. It got
to hope that you gotta hope that that just doesn't
hinder you from that.

Speaker 3 (02:13:22):
Here's your thing.

Speaker 5 (02:13:23):
Last year with Brenton Doyle killed lefties, hit three oh
six against lefties to twelve against Rady's.

Speaker 3 (02:13:30):
But again, you're not playing a whole lot against that.

Speaker 5 (02:13:36):
Hit really well at home, didn't hit as well on
the road.

Speaker 2 (02:13:41):
That's the other concern, right, is you go you're getting
a Colorado guy.

Speaker 5 (02:13:46):
Yeah, but again, like it's not like you're you're going
from here or from Colorado to I don't know, what's
a big ballpark.

Speaker 3 (02:13:55):
Yeah, truet Go park.

Speaker 5 (02:13:57):
You're not going to work, You're you're going travel Philly,
which is a hir friendly ballpark, yep.

Speaker 3 (02:14:05):
And look, great defense travels, a great glove travel as well.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
You know he can.

Speaker 3 (02:14:11):
I could see him playing a great center field here
at CBP, just like he did in Colorado.

Speaker 6 (02:14:18):
And in Colorado that was that's a huge outfield in course,
I mean he had to cover a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
Of ground there. Yeah, that's pitching staff.

Speaker 1 (02:14:30):
Dog shit.

Speaker 2 (02:14:31):
Yeah, out in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (02:14:32):
So I would say if he ended up here in
the Phillies uniform, you know, I think that life would
relatively be easier formans.

Speaker 5 (02:14:43):
I think that would be like a it'd be an
underrated type move people like it wouldn't flash right, But
like you go, even if you're putting him in at
the ninth spot in the order, right, you're not expecting
him to hit a whole lot, but you're gonna go
play great defense and say you hit two sixty.

Speaker 3 (02:14:59):
I'd be more of a happy with that absolutely compared
to like what you've had. And again, like there's a
little bit of pop there. He had twenty home.

Speaker 5 (02:15:06):
Runs last year or two years ago, whenever it was right,
So like there's a little bit of pop there. It's
but it's more than what you've got right now. She's
not he's not old again, he's gonna be twenty five.
So yeah, you keep Yeah, like, I think what you're
gonna end up seeing as you go through the rest
of this off season, because again, Winter meetings are going

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on right now.

Speaker 3 (02:15:28):
This is when a lot more as you saw Shober,
like what you heard he was the first domino to fall.

Speaker 5 (02:15:33):
Pe Alonso goes directly after that, right, and then right
Diez goes like you'll start seeing more stuff happening over
the next couple of weeks, right, and then you'll probably
have like Kyle talk Girl hold out for a little while,
Bragmant might hold out for a little while, right, But
if they're if I'm sure the Phillies are talking to

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these guys, anybody that's a name, the Phillies are gonna
talk to them, right So, and I'm sure they're they're
talking to the Japanese people too, because I know they're posted.

Speaker 3 (02:16:04):
They got to sign before like.

Speaker 2 (02:16:06):
Jay, Yeah, they gotta signed fairly quick, they.

Speaker 3 (02:16:09):
Gotta they gotta sign in the next couple of weeks. Yeah, So,
like that stuff will go through and if if.

Speaker 5 (02:16:16):
The numbers are too high on those guys, I think
you'll end up seeing the Phillies trade a few people.
I think you might see Alec Pelam trade. I think
you might see Brison stat traded, Brandon Marsh traded, Johann
Rojas traded again, like some mixture of these guys, right,
because your role players which have been there to try
to help your money guys obviously haven't done much, if anything.

Speaker 6 (02:16:41):
Especially not in the postseason. And I think we're getting
if you bring in a guy like Doyle, as you're saying,
I think a guy like Rojas, I mean I appreciate
what he's tried to do here, but I think he's expendable.

Speaker 3 (02:16:53):
And I think you would you almost say the same
about Marsh.

Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
Yeah, I mean Marsh is gonna be the only one
of value. I mean Rojas is still only twenty two,
twenty three years old. Like you're not gonna get rid
of well, you're just gonna stash him in the minors.

Speaker 3 (02:17:07):
He's gonna be yeah, Yeah, you can put him at
Lehigh Valley and yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:17:12):
Again, it's just it's just gonna come down to, like,
you know who your stars are, right, You can't change
your stars.

Speaker 3 (02:17:19):
It was never gonna change unless you go out and
get another one. Right, unless you go and.

Speaker 5 (02:17:24):
Spend the money on Kyle Tucker or I mean I don't,
I don't. I wouldn't hate signing Alex Fregman.

Speaker 3 (02:17:31):
I'd prefer not to.

Speaker 5 (02:17:34):
But again, like he's another guy who's got that championship pedigree.

Speaker 3 (02:17:37):
I would love to bring somebody in like that. Yeah,
and if you you Tucker brings the same thing too.
I mean he was on that twenty two and.

Speaker 5 (02:17:48):
He was there, but again he's left handed, so i'd
prefer to have a right handed bat.

Speaker 1 (02:17:53):
Again.

Speaker 3 (02:17:53):
Yeah, he'll come down to take that year in that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:56):
Year in Chicago really threw me for a loop with
Tucker because you if you had told me coming in,
I would have offered Tucker's fifteen years, whatever you want it.
But after watching that year in Chicago, I'd rather have
Bregman and he's thirty five years old. Yeah, yeah, like
I almost don't want Tucker.

Speaker 3 (02:18:19):
Yeah. Well, let's face it, we're in win. We're in
win now. So when we look at that big pictures,
Schwarber was bringing Schwarbur back was the right thing to do.
And you know, yes, we have more pieces that need
to be added, and I still think we'll have the
cash to do it. No, I firmly agree with that.

Speaker 5 (02:18:41):
Realistically, if you could, if you could tell me, like
if there's one guy that I want, like whether it's
a trade or signing or whatever it's could tell Marte.
If you give me, you could tell Marte. And you
don't have to give up two of your big three prospects.
You get up one of them, fine, you don't give
up two of the two of the three of them.

(02:19:01):
I am fired up, fired up absolutely because that dude
is he's the best second basement of baseball. He's he's
one of the best pure hitters in baseball, and he's
a switch hitter who has.

Speaker 3 (02:19:13):
Better pop in the right hand.

Speaker 6 (02:19:14):
He killed us in the twenty three and LCS, yes,
absolutely killed us. He keep CRUs that he can play
on a big stage.

Speaker 5 (02:19:23):
Plus he's my favorite cardinal of the show. I love
you love using his card It's cheek.

Speaker 3 (02:19:31):
Yeah, I mean, and then I I'd like to go
out and get another picture. I would.

Speaker 5 (02:19:37):
Yeah, if you could find a way to get Ranger
Suarez back here, I don't think that's gonna happen like that.

Speaker 2 (02:19:44):
I like that discussion. That seems more likely than she's
more likely than not. Yeah, I mean I really does.

Speaker 3 (02:19:53):
Well. I mean, Ranger, he's had some he's had some
injury troubles, and in a way at he's from a
negotiating standpoint, I think that'll help the Phillies here, and
I think it increases the likelihood that he does come
back here, you know. I mean, of course we want
him to stay healthy, be productive and all that. But

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and I still think there's still I don't think we've
quite reached a ceiling for Ranger yet. I still think
he's still got some he's still gotten great, he still
has some good years left in him, for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:20:31):
Absolutely Rangers. I think Rangers gonna go I don't think
he's gonna sign back here. I think he's gonna get
bigger money somewhere else. And I think he's gonna go
out there and be maybe not a number one like
I can go in a Cy Young type pitcher, but
he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be playing in October.
And he's like people are like, oh, all right, okay,
Rangers Wars is really good because like he was always

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kind of an afterthought.

Speaker 3 (02:20:54):
Here, yeah right, like like he was wanted. I've enjoyed
why he's great.

Speaker 5 (02:21:02):
He's you know, should have won multiple Gold Gloves as
a pitcher.

Speaker 3 (02:21:06):
Right, it's awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:21:07):
He just goes out there when he's healthy and he's
gonna give you six innings.

Speaker 3 (02:21:11):
He's gonna throw, he's gonna throw strikes. He doesn't maybe
not a big.

Speaker 5 (02:21:14):
Strikeout guy, but it's a lot of ground balls, a
lot of easy outs, stuff like that, Right, whereas you
know Wheelers, Wheeler is your prototypical strikeout guy, like he's
a he's a stud.

Speaker 3 (02:21:26):
Nola when he's on is really good, but he give
up a long ball. Do we know that Wheelers, I'm sorry,
do we know that Wheeler's coming back? Or is that
retirement timeline got pushed up?

Speaker 5 (02:21:40):
Now he'll be he'll be good for spring training, he'll
he's gonna finish out his contract and he's gonna retire.
So I think he's got what two years left something
like that. Yeah, right, But I think it's at this
point it's it's a matter of do you want to
bring Ranger back and have Painter sitting the miners again
or you're just gonna put Painter in the.

Speaker 3 (02:22:00):
Because it all.

Speaker 2 (02:22:01):
Depends on what you do. Because the you know, the
asking price for Marte is top two. You know, Peter Miller, right, So.

Speaker 5 (02:22:10):
I looking at it now, I know people, I can't
want to say this. If you had to trade Andrew
Painter to get to tell Marte, I'd do it, especially
because like everybody's for the last couple of years, like oh,
trade of trade and tram Tam I'd be like no, no, no,
no no. But the fact that he had a five

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y RRA at triple A last year kind of gives.

Speaker 3 (02:22:37):
So I do.

Speaker 5 (02:22:38):
I do think that Aiden Miller is going to be
a stud, So I do not want to get rid
of him. So if you had to trade two guys
to get to tell Marte, I'd rather be Painter and Crawford.

Speaker 2 (02:22:51):
Well here's the thing with Miller too, is we obviously
know and see how hard it is to find right
handed bats in general. Right, So why yeah, why would
you trade a commodity that you know is is something
that can't be found? And why does he not? And
maybe he does, but why does he not play center

(02:23:12):
left field, right field in Lehigh Valley this year at
least once or twice a week because trade turners here
for what eight more years? Yea, yeah, Well if you like,
hypothetically you trade for Marte. He's here for five more years.
So where in the infield are you gonna go? They

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they want to, they want it seems like they're gonna
give if they trade Boem, they're gonna give a lot
of opportunity to Auto Kemp. Now again, whatever happens with
who you get back. But I'm not saying he can't
beat out Kemp. But if you're gonna put that investment
in there, then you're gonna need to find potentially somewhere
else to play.

Speaker 3 (02:23:51):
Right, What what I would really like to see.

Speaker 5 (02:23:55):
I want to see Aiden Miller get a shot in
spring training because he's hit everywhere so far in I
want to see him get a shot in spring training
and then and them have to send him down because
he's doing so well and it gives them Paul as
a like, oh ship, this kid's really good.

Speaker 3 (02:24:14):
And like imagine like putting.

Speaker 5 (02:24:17):
Your number one hitting prospect in the middle of all
these veterans who have had the postseason experience. Right now,
just say that I don't want to rush him, but like,
if he hits his way into the lineup, then absolutely let.

Speaker 1 (02:24:27):
Him do it.

Speaker 3 (02:24:28):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:24:28):
This is generally that year that you would do that, right, Yeah,
that's second or third year. You get somewhat of a legit.
Look in spring training, you know, you get the you
get the opportunity to try and and and take a
spot and you but you got it. You got it
absolutely mash. Not that he can't like you. I mean

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even like you look at Ringcones and then they're not
the same, right, but Raccones mashed in spring and he
wasn't either.

Speaker 1 (02:24:56):
Thought.

Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
Yeah, well yeah, that's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
He might be a thought this year depending on what happens.

Speaker 3 (02:25:04):
Yeah, I mean potentially where's he ben playing?

Speaker 6 (02:25:08):
Yeah, I mean as far as Miller goes, I would
love to see him here in a Phillies uniform.

Speaker 5 (02:25:18):
Yeah, he's one of my favorite players in baseball. I
would love that dude in this lineup. Because again, he's
not making a whole lot of money considering like what
other contenttor, He's not making a ton of money. It's
like twenty million a year, like in realistic like that's
not a whole lot for guys as good as he is.

Speaker 6 (02:25:35):
So it's relatively team friendly. And at this point, I mean,
do I like Painter or yeah, but I don't love him, and.

Speaker 2 (02:25:46):
Why don't you love him? You're really the first year
back from an injury. You're gonna let a balloon d
r A and Lehigh Valley gonna scarey you off on
the kid.

Speaker 6 (02:25:59):
If a m down between that and getting a guy
like Marte in our lineup, give me Marte and I'll
take my chances trading.

Speaker 2 (02:26:12):
I'm sorry. Yeah, I hear you. You're not the only
one that has had I just I don't think the Phillies.
I don't think this year was anything about performance for him.
It was just get him through the year.

Speaker 1 (02:26:26):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (02:26:27):
Now, I think if to you to both your points,
I think if he was throwing better and getting better results,
then yeah, maybe he's in the bullpen at the end
of the year, maybe he's up for that fit spot.
But I truly don't think you can just go by
what you know. You hear toppers say and stuff like that. Right,

(02:26:49):
I don't think this year was was anything about what
he does on the field. It's just about getting him
through the year.

Speaker 3 (02:26:57):
No, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (02:26:58):
I remember them talking about all the numbers look good,
spin right looks good numbers, look good, numbers look good
like he.

Speaker 3 (02:27:03):
Was a little wild. Yeah, like look I I've had
I've had Tommy John surgery. I get it.

Speaker 5 (02:27:08):
The recovery sucks, like I can understand that, right, So
I got I don't want.

Speaker 3 (02:27:17):
I want this set.

Speaker 5 (02:27:18):
I do not want to trade Andrew Paynter. But if
to tell Marte is somebody you put in the middle
of your lineup and he's gonna win you a World series,
I trade Andrew Paynter for that, right, Do I think
that if you put it Tell Marte in this lineup
exactly right now alone, and that's the only movie you
do that doesn't win you the world series? If you

(02:27:39):
go out and make a couple like not doesn't be
like game breaking moves, but like a couple like depth
pieces here or there, and then you go and.

Speaker 3 (02:27:47):
Trade for cal Marte.

Speaker 5 (02:27:48):
Okay, cool, other than that, like I've said last like
during the season, look, I I don't last the trade deadline.

Speaker 3 (02:27:56):
I didn't want to trade any of the guys.

Speaker 5 (02:27:58):
I didn't want to Tradeayer, I didn't want to trade Crawford,
I didn't want to trade Miller. Like no rock with
these guys, and then these these upcoming guys can fill
in over the next couple of years for some of
these older guys filtering themselves out right now. If you're
gonna go full completely all in the next three years,

(02:28:20):
then so be it. But you got like you can't
just all right, we're gonna trade for you. Tell Martin
number that's that.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
They can't be it. So no, we got a lot
of moves to make. Yeah, that's all I got tonight.
I'm good. Yeah, yeah, I think Uh, I think I
need to get some sleep.

Speaker 2 (02:28:44):
All right, good ship, we get We somehow came in
under two and a half.

Speaker 5 (02:28:51):
Well consider considering those two hours of Eagles talk.

Speaker 3 (02:28:54):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:28:55):
I can't believe in two hours.

Speaker 3 (02:28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:29:00):
Need to win, right, you need to win. You need
a win for the for the birds this week settle
settle some nerves with everybody. Uh, but we appreciate you
all chiming in on your way out. Please hit that like,
please hit that subscribe, hit the notification button. Tom. You
will be on tomorrow at Philly Sports Unfiltered. Uh, we'll
be back next Wednesday. We'll see the guys on a
agree to disagree on Sunday. We appreciate everybody. Thank you

(02:29:23):
so much.

Speaker 1 (02:29:24):
We love you. Know.

Speaker 2 (02:29:25):
We're eating Ryan Elizak. I'm Greg Malock Fick, Tom Rao
was with us earlier. We love you.

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