Agree to Disagree on A2DRadio Black Friday Blackout Gone Wrong! Eagles Lose 2nd Straight_ Pathetic Offense! Game Recap

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Speaker 1 (01:04):
Can the Eagles rebound? Next?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Monday Night Verse the Los Angeles Chargers got some maybe
some things going in our favor for next week maybe
a little bit. We'll talk about maybe not, and we'll
obviously recap the Black Friday game Eagles pairs and dissect
the problems there here to answer all your guys concerns, questions,

(01:29):
you know, opinions, whatever you got laid out there night,
because I know people got a lot. But let's get right.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Into the point.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Can we move in? I know the public wants to
see the big fellow's face.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I don't even know who the guy is here in
two years. Losing two straight games in this fashion proves
the Eagles have officially lost their Super Bowl ceiling for
this season.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:55):
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maybe they have right? Why I say I disagree And
you guys can all debate me and tell me I'm

(02:15):
wrong because of one game on Friday, And that's fine,
But the defense is too good for the super Bowl
ceiling in this NFC to be over. They're just too
good now. Friday they got exposed. But that's I'm not
making excuse. It's five games in two days. They've been
on the field all year. They need their offense to
pick them up a little bit. They need time and
possession to work back into their favor enough. And if

(02:37):
time and possession works back in this defense favor enough,
I'm not ready to say one, the season's over. One
they can't go to another Super Bowl. Right, defense has
win championships. Right, you need, but you need enough out
of your offense.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
But I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Ready to say that the ceilings closed and everything's done
and the season is over. They got three. They're Washington's
plan right now, and they're an adult fight with them
for I get it. But three, three out of the
next five or games they should win, right, they should win.
So right there, you can start feeling better about yourself. Right,
but all you are is a win Monday away from

(03:12):
feeling better and a good win.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's all. That's all they are.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
They can get some rhythm going offensively, some rhythm, and
not every time you get you get a five year
carry on first down, next play you're in a second
and ten because of a penalty. That is a lack
of rhythm. Now you can make the argument on that
same drive. I'm talking about that AJ got a first
down the next play. That's fine, but he still takes
you out of your rhythm in a weird way. Just

(03:36):
constantly being behind the sticks. And this is where this
offensives live for the majority of this year. Does not
help them when they're struggling already, right, they're struggling already,
and you're playing behind it all the time, and you
can't run the ball well enough, but you're always in
second and ten because the penalties or whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
You listen, you're not gonna have much success in this league.
You won't.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
But there is way too much talent here for me
to believe that it's a rap or it's twenty twenty three.
And if everybody wants to just take the easy way
out and be like, oh look look that's twenty twenty
three again, yeah, no, it's not. And the reason I'm
telling you it's not is in twenty twenty three it
was the worst defense in the National Football League and

(04:17):
it wasn't close. And the defense Corn got five if
we forget, and had another guy on staff that they
just were waiting in the wings to hire at Matt
Patricy who's another moron. So that season was completely different
of a year. Right, the one constant is this defense,
and the one constant it's Vic Fangiel, So mcfangiel. So
I'm not ready on them. They have, but I'm not

(04:40):
ready now. And again they get a little extended rest here.
I'm not ready to say that the ceilings closed because
of that reason. Again, could be wrong because oh Tom
yells and screams he's always right, not saying I'm always right.
I'm passionate about what I believe in, and I'm passionate
about great defenses. I still believe it's one. Never, I

(05:00):
still believe it's a damn good defense. Because we just forget.
This is why I fucking hate this town and the
sports town that's becoming, because we freaking forget what just happened.
We went to green Bay and freaking shut them down
in green Bay. We come back against Detroit. Now I
know they haven't played well, but we freaking expose them here.
So we just forget that. We beat two damn good
football teams. Now green Bay has a chance to be

(05:21):
number one in the NFC next week if they beat Chicago.
So as much as we were out on Green Bay
two weeks ago after we beat them, okay, because they
went through a little rut and we and we whooped
their ass. Now they got a chance to be the
one seed. So there's so much evid flow in the
NFC right now that if you're out, stay out, you understand, because.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
You forget the wins this team does have.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So if you guys all want to sit there as
a fan base and be out on them and look
through this and look through their schedule this year and
look at the teams ain't beaten and you want to
be out, then be out. That doesn't mean I'm condoning
the play or acting like it's good enough right now
offensively or any of that. I'll get into that in
a little bit, right, But I'm state and what I
believe in. I believe in great defenses. I still believe

(06:03):
it's one. I still believe it's one. So again, they're
gonna need more from their offense. And I understand. I
watched Friday, So the only many in the comment's gonna
come date debate me about Friday, that's fine, right, I
watched it very clear what happened there, okay, right, But
that doesn't take away the body of work doesn't remove

(06:24):
a body one game.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah no, I don't, I hear you. I would probably
disagree as well. They're still eight before you know, you
can see there's glaring, glaring problems. The only thing for
the defensive side, I would say, that's seven straight quarters.
That's the that's altaly, the alarming thing, if you ask me,
that's the that's the only alarming thing.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Now.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
That doesn't change your resume, it doesn't take away you know,
the guys in that locker room that have potential.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
All right, So to me, that's seventh straight quarters.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
That's alarming. And the effort on Friday was disgraceful. Right
when you get if you when you got you know,
when you're supposed to win in the trenches and give
the Bears credit, listen, they want up front. But when
you get bullied and you get your lunch money taken
all day for three hundred yards on the ground, I mean,
come on, man, that's just that's to me, that's just
like in basketball, that's like rebounding, you know what I mean,

(07:12):
that's that's just that's just one two an effort.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
You know what I mean. You know, when you're getting
gashed for nine yards.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think both guys swifty average, I think nine and
and the Rutgers guy. The Rutgers guy averaged like seven
or eighty two, you know a carry. So I mean
they got absolutely torched, you know what I mean. So yeah,
but you know there's still there.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
This year to Tom because they the Giants did the
same thing to us, running down our fucking throat.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, that's a vict that's a VIC m O. I mean,
that's a VIC staple.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Is he puts a lot on the tackles to win
all the time, right, and then expect your linebackers to
constantly get home. And he refuses to bring guys down
the box. It's just not who he is. And sometimes
you get exposed by it, and sometimes you don't.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
But Friday was an example and the Giants game, Wills
to your point, was hey, put everything on the front.
And now in short weeks, I don't believe in that
they are the two examples in short weeks. Now, Dallas,
obviously we saw what happened after the first quarter, but
forget that for a second. Just look at the two
short weeks as football team played, and would they get
exposed in the run game. They got exposed up from

(08:18):
the run game. So you know, that's the two times
where it was glaring and I saw quit. This weeps
his point and to your point, wells the Giants game,
I saw quit more quit I saw in the Giants
game than this one. But I saw enough in this
one too. But I also saw defense get a big
time turnover and a big spot and we do nothing
with it.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
We fumbled away ourselves.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yeah, that was the big play of the game, was
the Jaalen fumble when you already had the first on
the I mean maybe he could have could have been
blown dead, possibly, but I mean we got We kind
of remember last time he fumbled on that and got
blown dead, and we kind of lucked out this time
and didn't go in our favorite But that was the
biggest play of the game.

Speaker 7 (08:57):
But he can't stop the run. You can't win.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
We're weak. Like I'm with you, I'm with you both.
I disagree. I think that you can't run.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
You can't run it. You're not gonna win. But you
can't stop you that listen.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
I mean we're weak. We're a weak team, and we
have too many penalties, too many. It's like a sloppy
We're complete opposite of what we were last year. Last
year we were a strong team, strong in the trenches.
We would we could end the game by running it
down your throat. We can't run the football. We stopped
the run. We can't stop the run. And we didn't
have a lot of penalties. We have penalties constantly. It's uh,

(09:29):
it's a complete flip. It's not good. I'm not out.
But you can tell me that we don't win another game,
and I'd be like, I can see it, I can
see it.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
I mean, we kind of stink, but but we also
have so much talent. And and like you said, the
defense is good. We just got to sustain drive. We're
not sustaining anything.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
And I don't know, Jalen hasn't thrown the ball.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
Well, it's we can't run the football, which puts more
on jail and throwing. It's not good. Nothing's good. It's
everything's everything's w It was so easy for us last year.
Everything is hard. Everything is hard. It's just a sign
of not a very good team. And and and don't
get me started on on on going for two there,
because I was I was, I was right down the

(10:13):
street regular your ups. I was thinking I might have
to go into the stadium and choke him.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Do we not know how to do? What do we do?

Speaker 4 (10:20):
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
You just you just scored.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
You now you don't get the two and it deflates
the team. You kick you keep it up in your
what have a fucking clue?

Speaker 7 (10:29):
One time? Have a one time?

Speaker 5 (10:32):
People are telling me, well, you missed one earlier, like stop,
this isn't hypothetic.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
Don't give up.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
And if he misses at that time, then you say, hey, listen,
I did my job. I did my job.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
And it's and it's it's the kid's fault. I mean,
it's you know, the girl man's fault. You can't you
only get you have to get yourself hope.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Yeah, it's unacceptable. It's not it's just unacceptable.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
What what the are you doing?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Nick?

Speaker 8 (10:58):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (11:01):
But the gross game? You gotta throw it away. It's
gonna be a tough game at l A.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
You gotta go.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
We gotta go to win a game. I'll feel better
when we win that game. Only night and I think
we're going to win. But it's not gonna be an
easy game. And they and they like to run the ball.
I think that the doll Howard you said that his name,
you know, Kamani Kimaniya. He's been getting like twenty five
twenty six cars the game. So they're gonna they're gonna
run the ball. So we better, we better be going

(11:26):
out there to stop the run, especially if broke his
hand to but uh, they're saying that he's probably gonna play,
but broke his left hand.

Speaker 8 (11:37):
Yeah, definitely gonna run the ball. IM gonna put it
in his hand all the time. It's Lance or they
play Lance. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
I don't think they're gonna play Lance. The hell I
just hear Lance.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Came plays.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
I know, I'm just cracking up. I was thinking, you
know the movie Marcy, you think about dang on the
balls on Lances for it. H.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
So, yeah, there's there's a lot of there's a lot
of issues.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
We kind of stink. But I disagree that we're out.
I think that we can still, we can get it together.
But man, we don't look good.

Speaker 8 (12:26):
Yeah, I also disagree. I'm shocked that we're all in
the train of disagrees. I mean, I'm sure the chats
going going more wild, uh, because they're just all emotional
idiots in the chat and stuff like that. But uh, yeah,
I mean you guys have said it, said a lot
of things. I'll also say our schedule, our schedule is
really easy per se down the stretch, right, Like we

(12:47):
have the Chargers here, Bills, but other than that, they
are games that we should win and we and we
should win both of those two bills. Bills don't look great, right,
Bills don't look great. Chargers obviously don't look great every weekend,
and they look great today because they were playing the Raiders.
H Yeah. So I definitely don't think we're out of
it where we're still in the mix of things. We're

(13:09):
probably gonna win the NFC.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
Could ball h BO, Nick's terrible ball.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Oh I'm not watching. Uh, probably gonna win the NFC East.
So you know, yeah, we have to collapse to not
win it, I feel like, right, And and look when
you look back at the Dallas game, they won two
games and five games at home, right, we know they're
good at home. When we look at this season, every
year we go in though we're gonna we're gonna split

(13:35):
with Dallas, We're probably gonna lose in Dallas, Yes, Right, now,
the way it happened makes it, you know, more alarming
and makes you think about it. But each year we
see here, we go into it say, yo, we're gonna
one on one with Dallas.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
Honestly, Greg, I'm with you on that. The Bears game
really shocked me.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
Not not being ready to play on Friday and just
getting our teeth kicked in at home and bullied.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Really shocked me.

Speaker 8 (14:01):
I do disagree with that one hundred percent because, like
Tom you said, right, the other factor of those two short,
short week games is we got embarrassed. We got out worked,
we got out coached, we got out hustled, right like,
we laid down like we weren't even there. And I
agree with you Wells, that is alarming, that is disheartening.

Speaker 9 (14:21):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
But I think they bounced back. I think they bounced
back this week obviously.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
And yeah, I don't think they're out of it. The
Rams just showed us today they can throw a dud.
You know, Matthew Stafford can throw a dut. I hear
Jimmy G's warming up out in LA getting ready to
come in uh.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
For Maddie.

Speaker 8 (14:41):
But no, I don't think the Eagles are done. I
think they're they're I'm not gonna say they're okay, but
we're we're gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, the only thing that's not okay is
really the penlonies need to change too, by the way,
I know I mentioned that, but like the penalties have
been wait to make them.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
It's way too many correctable penalties, fall starts, off sides.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
What are we doing?

Speaker 5 (15:04):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, penalties in the elephant in the room. You know
a guy that I don't want to say I stuck
off for. But when you win Super Bowl MVP. If
you know you've been two shoot Bowls in three years,
you're eighting two, you're not gonna hear a lot from me. Man,
You're just not. When you win games, i'll be I'll
be hush hush. But you start losing games and some

(15:28):
of those things that we all know, right, progressions, tight windows,
you know, just finding three open guys on one play
and hitting one of them. But the elephant in the
room is you got it?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
He asked to us.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
His like I'm tired of talking about every goddamn week.
I'm tired of yelling about it every week. When I
can sit here in a goddamn chair that that that
wobbles around. I can do it three sixth the year
if I wanted to. Okay, But the facts are is
that I know how this team needs to win, and
then how they need to look to win.

Speaker 8 (16:00):
We all do.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
It's under twenty twenty five attempts or less, and it's
him using his legs because his legs then open up
the rest of the offense. That's I don't understand, Like
that's the dumbest thing in the world, that he's not
gonna run more or we're not gonna rpo way more
than we are, way more than we are. We have
to make d n well, you're not running the ball well.
You gotta make dns respect stuff. You gotta make linebackers

(16:22):
respect stuff. You need to make safeties respect him running
the football.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
You can't just be in.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Saquin's belly and expect something to change that has it
now right in twelve weeks.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
You just can't expect theming different to happen.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
So to me, they did a little bit more RPO
this week, but not enough of it, and it had
some success with it and they go away from it.
So I don't know, and I need I need other
carries from other guys that I've been bitching about too.
Does a change of pays a different look.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
But the biggest thing is you're just you're just fighting
from They're twenty seventh in the leg and penalties. They
were eleventh last year. I mean that's the difference.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
Man, We're calmly. I feel like, you know, just talking.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
It's like, I mean, obviously we continue to lose when
Lane doesn't play. That's that's another thing in another elephant
in the room. Wane doesn't play, We're never good.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, Greg, the whole Chicago lineback and board was out
this week, So you know, I gotta be done worried
about who's out elsewhere, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
And what do we need to what do we need
to fix and do better? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (17:35):
They things Tom like you're saying, though the penalties are
you should be easy clean ups. You got we gotta
clean the pet We got to clean the penalties up.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Jason, I think you're I can't do this tonight. I
just think you're you're little.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
McKay and we're talking about McKay.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, I'm not on that game. Yeah, that's that's that's
crazy talk.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
That's that's that's rough.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
We're just not I mean, we're not there, man, I mean,
I mean.

Speaker 8 (18:05):
He played well that.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
He can read a defense.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Come on, I hate that narrative. Like to read a defense.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
He can do the fight, the throw stuff in the
tight windows and trust your arm is a different conversation than.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Being able to read a deep guy.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, yeah, but don't tell me you can't read a defense.
That's what drives me different. They're different entities.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
I tell you, he doesn't have enough arm talent. That's that's.
I said that from day one.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
So you don't have to you know, you can still
make throws, you know, and you can still be on time,
and you can still obviously win football games like he does.
You know, whether his whether the fucking rosters loaded or not,
you know, I mean, it's the perfect guy for this team.
That's that's the bottom line. So it might bother people
that are not in this market, all right, or that

(18:53):
are you know that just hate the Eagles, and that's
and that's okay, right, Like he's not going to the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Maybe if he won four Super Bowls and he racks
up you know, all kinds of garbage yards. Of course, right.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
But you know it's he's not an elite thrower of
the football. It's not who he is, right, and he
doesn't have to be if this thing is structured the
way the way it was last year. Right, when you
have a great offensive run, yeah, when you when you
have a great offensive line, which I understand they're not
this year, right, but you know, in his tenure here,

(19:25):
their line has been in the top three. Right, They've
been able to run the football right, They've been able
to control the clock, They've been able to play from behind,
I mean, play from in front, they've been able to
penalties were down.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
So it was you know, a couple of years, last
couple yeah, last couple of years. It was a perfect storm.

Speaker 8 (19:44):
That's also the recipe for any team that wins.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Not just.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
I did not want I did not say that it's
his fault.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
No, no, no, I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
He's the only one dealing with that. I'm saying. That's
you know, that's the difference, you know right now, you know.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
I mean, everything you know has lined up over the
last couple of years, you know to have offensive success,
all right, So.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
And the biggest lineup is to me is his legs
that's the biggest thing a year in and year out.
You know, what's what's the X factor him being able
to run? What the defense had the game plan for
him being able to run. I mean, do we think
it was just like this accident like sak One's awesome,
but we think it's an accident.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
He went for two k It's not an accent, it's
not it's.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's it's the thought of the quarterback keeping it and
a great offensive line and then holes get wide open.
And that's why he wasn't being touched last year to
the second level, wasn't being touched last year.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
And I mean, yeah, he had like he might add
when he was either double digits or little or eight
when he had sixty yard runs.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Just like ridiculou stuff. But you don't expect to replicate
h Yeah, yeah the second year. But that's where Jalen's
legs come in. And that's what pisses me off, Like,
don't what's not change him into something that he's not.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
He's gotten way better in the pocket. Anybody says he
hasn't hasn't watched either.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
That being said, is he's not the guy to sit
back there all day like the third and two in
Dallas tells me everything I need to know about play
calling and how they feel about him running, because the
third and two was a straight dropback with a middle
wide open, and it's like he he really wanted to
keep his eyes downfield and try to throw the football there.
To me, that's that's coming either by him internally trying

(21:30):
to be more of a pocket guy, or people in
house in his year. And I can't believe real football
guys in house are gonna are gonna tell a guy, hey,
don't don't run as much when guys are trying to
keep their jobs and they're trying to win football games.
So that to me comes from come from the wifey
at home or your publicists. I'm just being honest.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I mean that comes that comes from MJ's yacht.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I mean, I don't know where it comes from, but
that comes from somebody that's not in that damn line room,
that's trying to win football games, that's trying.

Speaker 8 (22:02):
To prove everybody they can't do it. And coming off
it was coming off of a super Bowl year, is
no better time, right you got you should have the
grease greased. They still go out and winning n the East,
and and and and just maybe not repeat. But we
we live in the city. We live in wrong down
for that, baby, We're wrong down for that. I mean
that that's that's been going for. I mean every other

(22:25):
team in the city gets for never winning.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
No, he gets grace. I mean anybody that's not giving
him a year grace period or to see me year grace,
you're just an asshole, like really like, I mean, I'm
trying away.

Speaker 8 (22:35):
Everyone's right there.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
We're not talking about we're not talking about grace period
of being a one and done in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about
if you don't give it, if.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
You're not giving a year break, five years you're doing
it should be Well how many times we talking about
winning Super Bowl everyone for five years?

Speaker 7 (22:55):
That I don't want him to get bad, but I
mean we don't look good right now.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I'll give five years. You got given it, Now you
got five well it, it'll be done. Then you definitely
can't run anymore. So in the fifth year, we're done anyway.
The windows fucking now.

Speaker 8 (23:11):
So.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
But I can I can deal with I can seriously
deal with the year where you go to the divisional
round and you don't get it done. Now, I'm saying
that today that divisional game, I'll be on here flipping out.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
You know. And the only justification you have for the
mediacs are you went through it for fifteen years or
or so whatever whatever it was, twelve and fours, right,
conference titles and then guts right, so you you know
you went through You went through enough of that. So

(23:43):
you know, like when you get to the point where
you're loaded, how he's doing.

Speaker 8 (23:47):
All this thing.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
They're spending money, You got talent, right, you expect to
win every year. And I'm not saying you guys are
aren't saying that. I'm just saying you went through it enough.
You know all there's many, many, many moons ago where
you know you were allowed, you were guaranteed to win
twelve games every year, right, and it becomes sometimes a
spoiled fan base because of that. Right, But doesn't mean

(24:08):
you can't have your expectations should always be right, you know,
anybody the fucking worst teams in the Lake, the Jets
should have aspirations when they break camp to win a
Super Bowl, whether it's realistic or not.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
If not, why you playing the games?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Why are you playing the game, Alfred, I don't. I
disagree with that. He said, if we collapse again, like
twenty three, ten years over, he did it.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
He did it is probably job.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Job for five years time to cut ties.

Speaker 8 (24:39):
Cut ties and one of the most wittiest coaches that
hit the NFL.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Three ALFREDA, you could take my spot on this show.
If he gets fired after this year, you can have
You could have this seat in my own house like yours.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
What is the leash for the next guy coming in there?
I mean he's not getting fired, so no, no, not
But but he part was not the only guy talking
about that. I mean I was.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
I was talking about it when he when he went
for the other night. But that was just you know,
that was in the passion of him going for too
right there. I can't believe. I was just blown away,
like you just you know, you need something going well
for you. It's been a terrible game. You score a touchdown,
You're like, all right, just kick the extra point to
keep the momentum on your side, and no, we'll go
for two knocking And I was like, oh, we're down

(25:26):
two score Still I heard the dumbest, dumbest, fucking thing.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
Ever, I heard enough people explain their side of it,
why you go for it, that it makes sense that
I understand it.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
In that scenario, I don't know who you're talking zero
sense zero. Can't stop them all year.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
I couldn't stop them all.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Day, so you ain't gonna fucking stop them twice, zero
sense zero. So I don't care if you're talking a
little fucking smart. If Albert Einstide rose up him the
dead and a fucking light bulb fouled of his fucking ears,
I wouldn't fucking believe what he had to say. If
he was telling me, uh it made sense, and it
would never fucking makes sense. Kick the you're down, it

(26:13):
gives you a chance, your only chance.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
You get it.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
You're down seven, Whoop the fucking will. It's the same
thing if you're down seven or eight you still have
a chance. You're down night and you got no chance.
The same fucking flight football where you can go for
fucking three fucking stupid. So I don't know who you're
talking to. I'm very sorry that you're associated with those people.
I don't know who texts you, if they're family members.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I apologize.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
That's incredible that people would justify that in fucking credible.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
And it's not just you. I've seen it all over
the place, moron.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
And it's not about getting my point of cost or
I want to be right, it's it's common sense, common.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
So common.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
No, it's not, Well, you can collap twice in three years, Alfredo,
when you win a Super Bowl and go to one
and there's opposite the other two and yet and then
you could just then then next year would be like, hey,
we're going back, Like if that's if that, if that's
the way it works, you know what I mean. Again,
we haven't collapsed yet, so before like, oh, like, you can't.

(27:22):
You can't collapse twice in three years.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
We didn't. We didn't do it yet.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
We also two god damn games in five days. I
know it feels like more because it happened so fast.
We literally we got up from the math from a
twenty one nothing to lead right and that loss and
downs and we got punched in the face again that's
exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
So I know it's tough.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Right now, we're laying here, we're bruised, we're battered.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
But it's a it's a long time until we play
again too, which doesn't help, you know, like we don't
put a one day Monday like that extends the fucking
the like the irritable miss.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah, it makes it worse when when you get bullied
in any sport, it some fucking worse, you know what
I mean. So again not justifying people saying we're always
you know, coming up with excuses and stuff. It's like
I said, they're still waiting for it hasn't happened yet.
So whether you you know, you feel it, maybe you
feel it in your body coming right, but there's you know.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
I mean, I did say it wouldn't help me if
we didn't win another game.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well yeah, no, no, I understand.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I got that.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
I think we can write the ship. We can write
the ship.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, they're not. They're not losing that out. They're not.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
If we lose out, I could be I could be
on with fire and Deck.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, I got beats front eye to have a forty
if they lose out. I really do, I really do.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
There's no shot they lose out just because they play
Washington twice in three weeks. Washington is not beating them
twice within three weeks. Like they could beat them once.
They're not beating them. They're not beating them twice in
three weeks.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
Agree, especially if one of those games actually means anything,
which if they're potentially beating you twice, then one of
them is going to mean something.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
That's what we say, Chargers, Redskins, Raiders and Bills.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
That's yeah, that's the five right, Yeah, Chargers, Redskins.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I meant you gotta go on the road on to it,
you know everything.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
Even if you want to say that you lose one
to wash them, which you shouldn't, you gotta go. You
gotta win two of those games. You gotta beat there.
I mean, the Raiders are acious raiders at home too.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, absolutely awful, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
If you get much why I think Monday shooes not
only what Monday shoes for the taste out of your
mouth and to avoid the whole collapse bullshit, all right,
and just to get you get you know, get your
pointed in the right direction, because then it pretty well
should guarantee you even if you split with the Raid
the Redskins, if you win Monday Night, you get the Chargers,
you get one Redskins, and you get the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
You're at least three and two down the stretch, you.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Know, yeah, yeah, and you get eleven, you get to eleven,
way is your probably win the division?

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Eleven win, definitely win the division because absolutely Dallas.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
But Dallas ain't win now, right, because.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Dallas gotta go on the road. We all know they're
better at home than they are on the road. I
mean they did the same thing the Rams did. They
lost it in Carolina.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
Who who does Dallas have left?

Speaker 8 (30:19):
I'm gonna pull them upright right now.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
It doesn't matter becau they're Dallas. But yeah, Patrick, knock
it off. I mean, take the take the flag down, Rader.
It was his whole five day stretch for you.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
Two calm down at Detroit, at Detroit on Thursday, at
Detroit on Thursday, home Minnesota Home Chargers at Washington at
Giants on the road.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
To end the year.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Home Minnesota Home Chargers. Right, I mean, not great, not
though at the Lions is a very tough game.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, well that's what we need.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
On the same brown out. I didn't see what his
status was.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
I do have Jamison in fantasy, I don't seek, so
I didn't hear anything.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
But again, they played Thursday, so we wouldn't hear anything
tall yeah Tuesday Wednesday.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
Oh there, Oh okay, that's just that little move of
playing them on Thursday because they both played the previous Thursday.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Said they both get a week. Okay, I see what
they did there.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah, so let's say, would you say Lions, Redskins, Giants.

Speaker 8 (31:34):
Lions, Minnesota Chargers at home on road, Washington on road.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Minnesota's defense, Minnesota's defense will show up, they can throw
the ball.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
Uh, that Washington game is Christmas Dad, So just add
just add that other factor into it, you know what
I mean that you know, just like thanks Giving Day,
you know, just a different data places. I think it's
a Wednesday, it is a Thursday, Thursday.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
Thursday.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Okay, yeah, the eighteenth is a is a Thursday.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
So yeah, that kind of sucks.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
I should have known that.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I don't want you Thursday Christmas.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
So that means both weeks, like you know, you gotta
you have off and then you got to come back
for Friday, go back Friday.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
For two weeks in a row.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
That deals.

Speaker 7 (32:37):
I mean, you're time from a kid.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Your your profile pick is love Hurts Jordan logo him
down out and then but then you're right after and
I'm all with you on Cowboys fans right back to
their delusions, right, which is a great comment out of
you following this one. But it's hard for me to
take that one seriously when I hear time from Key

(33:00):
prior to that, Like, it's just it's just talk.

Speaker 7 (33:03):
Especially with the with the love hurts. Uh, Like, that's
just amazing. It's incredible.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
Actually, they and Yang of an Eagles fandom right there,
true truly spectacular.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
We are a special breed. We are a special breed.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
He's not playing, he's not playing. Great.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah, that's that's for sure. I need he'll probably tell
you that, but I'm not. I'm not ready to bench him.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
I don't know if we've ever been called ballhogger. I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
He's not.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
No, no, yeah, that's the kind of way I read
it too. But again, we don't have to address that.
That's just hilarious.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
The backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in town.
Get the most pussy, right, you know? Does it just
doesn't pay.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
For a meal.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
It's the most popular guy, right, That's just that's factual,
all right, until he comes in and throws three picks
and then his house, Ki, his house kids, you know
what I mean. So you know, he's cute. He looks
awesome in preseason. He's he's really cute, and he's really
cute in preseas, you know, but he looks awesome in preseason.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
So yeah, I'm a realist to Dad, and I'm not
gonna bench the quarterback at eight and four.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Like when you're when you're leading your division, I don't
think that's the time to go bench your QB. I mean,
that's that's a sign of pack.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
That's it's like the.

Speaker 7 (34:38):
MVP of a year ago.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
Yeah, like what again, what's that say then to every
other it's just a message that you would send.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
Well, it's just not gonna I mean, it's just not
gonna happen. I mean, if Nick's not changing play callers,
he's bench.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yeah, those two guys have been tied it to him
ever since he got here, So it ain't never gonna
We're gonna happen anyway.

Speaker 8 (35:04):
He's gotta do contract, Jason, what are we talking about?
He's under contract?

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, Like I mean I can answer that at the
end of this contract.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
Like I mean, I mean that when it comes.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
Yeah, what does he have four years left?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I can answer that right now.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
For sixty five million in the year, that's the hell. No,
So I don't give the fuck the guy walks on water.
He's sixty five million a year.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, i'll give you, I'll give you the other sign
of it. I mean, sixty five million a year in
four years is probably nothing anymore.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
It's probably what he's getting paid now.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
But the point of it is, like i'd be fourthd
to right now, Jason, Again, I don't that's depending if
it works with the cap.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
But you just want to say, like highest paid, Like
if it was coming up at the end of this year,
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (35:57):
How much does he make now?

Speaker 7 (35:59):
I don't know, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
Thirty five maybe.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I was gonna say. That's why I just thought that
was outraging.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
It is outrageous, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I mean, you know, just nobody.

Speaker 11 (36:14):
Somebody five maybe maybe in five fifty one, you who
came fifty one, that's why five years to fifty five
that's a lot, all right?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, then yeah, would get sixty five and four years? Yeah,
I mean obviously, now if.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
They if it was the end of his contract right now,
and and I'd give him new a new deal, with
a new deal at the end of the year, given
another deal at the end of the year, Like you'd
be forced to do it, And anybody says you wouldn't
be It's like okay, like in the world of like
QB driven Lake, I mean you would be forced to

(36:51):
do We don't have to have this conversation.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well in four years, we canna have that conversation because
it don't see where he's at.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Like, if he's.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
Deteriorating in four years, then we want to move on
and get somebody else. Then maybe you don't resign him.
But you gotta see we're at We're not there now,
this idiot that's.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Gonna be back.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
What's on the line? What's right there on the line?

Speaker 7 (37:12):
What are you doing?

Speaker 8 (37:13):
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Right wherehead of you? Yeah, right foot was on the one.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
Correct, Jesse, That's correct.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, the predictable part, John Like, I don't really want
to listen to what c J. Gardner Johnson says in
the locker room after the game. I don't want a podcast,
but I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I mean c J.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
Gardner Johns there's a reason that he's on a different
team every year exactly, sometimes two a year to just
come back three this year is his third this year,
that's truly, truly incredible.

Speaker 8 (38:01):
Sexan's Ravens.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Honestly, I didn't even know he was I didn't know
I was on the Bears. I heard his name get
called on.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
I was like, like, it's been like a month, so
like three four games.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
Unreal.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Ship back.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
Yeah, he played well here.

Speaker 8 (38:20):
Like we've had this discussion with with Doug right that
the offense was too was too predictable. Right, the famous
San Francisco knew every play we were running, you know,
mar Jomo knew what the rate, what the Packers were
wanting on that fourth down play. Like, just because they
know what they're run and doesn't, you know, necessarily mean
that anything's predicted. Now it happens to play out that

(38:41):
it's pretty predictable or it seems pretty predictable. But just
because saying itj has also been into building over the
last three years, so he knows a lot of what
the concepts that you're trying to run.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
It's also it's easy to say that when when we're
having a ton of penalties we're backing ourselves up and
we're not running the football, So then yeah, pretty predictable.
We you kind of know what's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah,
I mean we just gotta we need to. We need
to get right on a game on offense. We need
like a thirty thirty pointer where we get right, that's

(39:15):
what we need.

Speaker 8 (39:16):
Yeah, we thought it was the uh.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
First.

Speaker 8 (39:24):
We also thought it was the uh the Giants game.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah. So whether you're dealing with injuries or.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Or inefficient play, I mean, the formula to there's a
bunch of formulas, still a good offense. But you you
always it's a you know, as long as football has
been around, you got to play ahead of the change,
you know.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
I mean you just have to, you know what I mean.
And it's just if not you're you know, then you
gotta then you gotta be somebody you're not. You know.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
So when when they're you know, when they're getting backed up,
then he's got to stretch the field and he's that's
just I understand.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
There's there's some t drops in the resume.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
I get it all right, but a lot of them
are eighty twenty balls right where he's taken advantage of
the athleticism of these two stud wide receivers. And that's okay,
you know what I mean, Like again, am I going
to fucking you know, am I gonna fucking fault him
for that?

Speaker 4 (40:14):
No? Right, But you know, as you say, that's not the.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Gold fifty fifties, I mean not the coldpeper got paid
in Miami for fifty fifty balls in Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
Throwing up the randy When you're throwing up the randy
at fifty fifty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, seventy thirty, maybe eighty
eighty twenty.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
But no, everything that can go wrong goes wrong, Like
aj Aj runs a good route, get the first down.
Offensive passing fans, you see that arm on every wide
receiver around the National Football League. So it's like it
seems like Penaly's become contagious, and they become contagious by
the referees too, Like that wasn't an offensive passing interference
in today's NFL, And if.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
It was, if it was, I needed defensive pass appearence
on Smitty and later in the gain. Yeah, you know
what I mean, Like if you're gonna, if you're gonna
let that go on Smitty, then I need, then you
gotta let the offensive pass interference go again.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's not excuses, it's rhythm, right, Like it's it's nowhere
am I making excuses for bad football? But I can
kind of reiterate, like when you when when that stuff
happens to you consistently, there is no offensive rhythm. It's
like it's a hitter in baseball. You have no rhythm,
you have no timing, nothing's going right. You feel like
you're O two. You feel like you're O two every

(41:35):
at back, Like you feel like you walk up there
and you look up at the scoreboard and it's like, oh,
I'm O two already. I didn't even get I didn't
even get I didn't even get in the box yet, right,
And I think that's where this offense is. Like, this
offense feels like they're in third and fifteen every time,
and they're walking on the field in it's first and ten.
And I think when you're running that type, it's gonna

(41:56):
equal a lot of three and outs, it's gonna equal
a lot of bad drives. And like I said, no
rhythm in your drives, you get a first down there.
We don't know how about drive bets. We talked last Sunday,
last Sunday against Dallas. You don't know how stuff ends
if that gotter doesn't get called back, right, You just
don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
We don't crystal balls.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
But what I do know is is.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Drives are contagious and first downs are contagious. I know
that to be factual in this lay. So when you're
constantly getting them and they're getting taken away because of you, right,
self inflicting situations, right that that's where they're at, where
they're at right now because they can't get into it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Like I said, the first play the game with a
five yard run the Saquon.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
It turned into second and tent like we had a
good run.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Finally, you probably feel good about the runoff five.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yard carried a full start, that's coming back next fouse
And now we're in second at ten and it's like, okay,
you get the first down. But it's not the point.
It's the point of there's so much of that. Fred
John Bunch of ye.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
A big one. He broke a thirty jay.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
When we're talking about jail and running all, he broke
a thirty yard Ronenstein you know, got called for holding.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
It's another tough call. Right.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
But even even like penalty yards, like they're twenty eighth
in football, they were fifth in football last year, So
forget eleven eleventh in penalties, they were only fifth and
penalty yards a.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
Great play by Singleton.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Actually, yeah, it's a band drop, you know, put that away, Jack.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
Oh, that's a great play by single He did try.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
To put it away. Yeah, man, it's a great play,
big time.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Wow, Jason, I know the number he went in the
leg in three And now that's what happens when you're
not when you when you're not running.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
The football, run the football.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
The quarterbacks not running the football to try to give
you some spurt, some some sparks, and when he does,
like we said, he gets called back.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Right, So it's like nothing we can do can go right.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
I think that has a little bit to do with
with our defense being weaker against the run this year.
Also is because we're on the field so much just
worn down, Greg, I mean, you're right.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I mean the biggest play of the game was the
gayle and fumble and the toast plush.

Speaker 7 (44:16):
Yeah, that was absolutely biggest play the game.

Speaker 8 (44:18):
We're talking.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And that's where you know nothing's going right because the
one thing you can hang.

Speaker 8 (44:21):
Your hat on was that.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
We can't even do that right anymore?

Speaker 8 (44:26):
Stop is twice? Now we fumble again.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But again I'm not out because, like I said, that
defense played so bad in that football game, and they
still manage to keep us in that game wherever that's worth.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
They got a big turnover. Literally here you go, exactly
what the doctor ordered, and we couldn't and we couldn't
capitalize on that. And I just feel like, you need
you need.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I can't even say you need a drive because you
had drives, right, you had the Cowboys first quarter.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Never forget hang the battery.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
You need a game.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
And I didn't say this all year because it wasn't
that important. But it's time now for four quarters, right, And.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
You can be disgusted, all right, But but being out
that's what That's what Cowboy fans do, right, That's what
roaches do. So you shouldn't should never be out right,
you could be disgusted and not happy and and and
you can boo all right. I mean you know they
got booted halftime, So I mean that's you know, that's
city of brotherly love.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Dude, to do you to do whatever you want to do,
you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
But yeah, to be out.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
That's what Cowboy fans do, right because now they had
two big wins, and I've seen more Cowboy shirts in
the in New Jersey than I ever see.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
You know what I mean. I'm yelling out the window.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
Fucking idiots, you know, you know, just you know, honking,
you know, it's just you know, they're out, They're out.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Now, they're out.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Yeah, roaches, roaches are out. Turn the lights one roaches carrying.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I have no problem with a with a hard boot
like that on Black Black Friday, like Ara man, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
Let him have it.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
But right man, till the season is over. You know,
you keep you keep swinging. You keep swinging. Now, whether
you're you know, equipped.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
To win it all or you know, you know so
called experts you know count you out, or you know,
keyboard warriors you don't want to tell you how bad
they are and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
You know, yes, you're not. Ever you never had of
it till.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Till, like Jason said, until it's time for when they
say black Monday, right, is that the Monday whenever when.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Most of those guys get fired after the season ends.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Luke he can't do that. We've done that, Luke. I
mean he took play hang over. He was terrible at
it and how to give it the stikeen, So like, no,
I I don't want him taking over play hang I don't.
He's not here for that. We know what he's here for.
He's not here for that. You know. That's why it's
on them in an organization. But again, I can't even

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blame that. You win a super Bowl, there's nothing out
there to hire at that point, like there isn't a
you're behind it. So it's a year. You just got
to deal with it. If to deal with and figure
it out from this year.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
That's why you're so young, because you always lose coordinators
as well, and you're and you're at the end of
the year.

Speaker 8 (47:28):
This isn't college, sorry, Tommy. This isn't college where you
can just poach coaches at any time of the year.
You gotta wait. And if you're the last team standing,
you're it.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
You're waiting, Yeah, Luke, and the guys hire quick You know,
the guys don't make the playoffs, they hire quick.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Star You're good. Any read any red at the same
presser for twenty years. So if you if you're getting
caught up, I'm telling you don't, Luke, don't get caught
up and what the guy says in the immediate get
caught up with being said behind closed door which we
don't know, but don't get don't get caught up in that,
like poys, do not get caught up in it. We
got caught up in that on the day he was

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higher right, and we're all out. He is the right
of winning.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
His coach in his span of Eagles history and in
his span So again, I don't need a guy coming
out and calling out his players in the in there,
I don't need. I we're gonna act like he's not
does he not take any accountablity? I feel like he
talks about the coach. We need to do a better
job as coaches. We need to do a better job
of coaches. I need to do a better job.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
As a coach. He says that after every loss. He
even says that after wins.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
So again, I think we're reaching then if we're if
we're gonna point out his pressers as he's not taking
enough accountability, I mean, the guy just fucking wins and.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Now and now he he's not. He's not taking up
this is what happened when he was two games.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Oh yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Luke is saying that's what he's calling him, mister. He's
saying that he takes accountability. He wants him to change something.
He's saying that's what he always says.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah, And I'm saying that's what Andy always said in
terms of like, you know, and then I just want
on a tangent. But the point where I was going
was the same thing, like Amy had the same thing
for twenty years. Dude, don't buy into it. What do
you want them to set?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Like again, what do we we assume nothing's changing, but
we don't know that. We don't know that, like unless
you're I mean maybe there isn't right.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
You would have to be a film junkie to really
know if anything's changing.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
But I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
It's tough.

Speaker 8 (49:25):
It's it's like that. Well, I mean it's at one play,
we all saw it. He had three guys open for
a touchdown and he missed them all. He missed the
one guy he threw it to k right, you know
what I mean? Yeah, I mean three guys wide open
and he missed him man and all right, cool, like, yeah,
Jalen was bad on that throw in the game, but
he had three guys, and I bet you any Day

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was probably open, but the screenshot didn't show that side.
But coming off the line, any j looked open. He
just wants it for a touchdown. Dootson was wide open,
Donnard was wide open, and even Smitney was wide open.
He just missed them. So these are happening, whether it's
it's just execution, it's coming down to execution.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Frank West Stanford. So today.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
I feel about that great, great, great cover last night.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Frank, you love you Broods wins great.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
That's correct, that is correct.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
And Marcus Marc was not happy. He thought scoring fifty
on Stanford was going to get him in the playoffs.
I guess four minutes ago, just chucking it, just chucking it.
Was not happy, and then he whispered in Frank's here, So.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
I believe, Yeah, I don't know how, oh yeah, yeah
yeah place. But fifty years senior never threw a past
at Stanford. The next next Rhodes scholar, you know, you know,
tipping cap to him, never threw a past, you know,
so they all went nuts when he got on the
field and thirty yard run.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
And a TV passer that's awesome that oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 8 (51:08):
Yeah, But yes, his season is over. Obviously, gables are
available if they want to bring in in a different mind.
They're not calling place. But if you want to bring
in an advisor, a different mind in the room, those
options are available.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Now.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
Is as you get these guys that are the ie.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
That their seasons are ducking, start get away with everything.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
Because Frank was truly a one year rental there and
at Stanford.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
For and so that's some quickness.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, I mean, Jail Jail let the team down Friday
for sure, Luke, But I don't believe he's the main
culport every week either.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
For this. But again, I mean I know what you're saying.
I mean, listen, I'm the defense.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
I mean, I listen, I'm not I mean, Hurts was
you know, Hurts. Hurts wasn't great, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
But like I think, if we're giving out number one
ship stars, I'm giving it to the defense.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I'm not putting Jail on at the top of that.
I mean, like you know, I mean, I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
That's mean you get your ship pushed in for three hundred.
I mean, come on, dude, run two backs right for
one to twenty. Your defense at the top of the list.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
I don't care how they.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
I don't care how they played all year. I don't
care how they played all year. I don't care about
your resume. If you're talking about a single game there
at the top of the list, and then you can
then you can go right after that. You can fill
in jailing Nick Badulo, whatever.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
You want to do.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
I mean, have your preference, all right, but the defense
gets the number one ship store on Friday for me.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
And I'm not saying I'm right, but no, you're.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
No, you are right.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
The Bears offensive line dominated the game and defense.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:56):
Look, it's the complete opposite of last year.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
Greg got saying that we last year we would dominate
up front and we would grind teams, and we would
dominate the time of possession. And now it's complete opposite
even in US and dominating time possessional on us.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
Even if you look at these last two weeks, right
one two one score games in theory, right, we get
ran all over both games, We have costly penalties against US,
and we lost a turnover battle in both of those games,
and again we can't run the football.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Yeah, and we're still in the game and you're still
one score games. We're good team, so we're still in
the game.

Speaker 8 (53:33):
But so we're still right Yeah, we're still right there.
It's just we got to clean up all those stupid
mistakes that we make.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
And you try to go back to your identity, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Like again, I think we said that a nauseam and
I understand you're missing pieces and stuff like that, but
you should never change who you are, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
You still gotta you gotta stay true to yourself, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
I would love to know if I put it in
the you know, and have to put it in the
Google box because you know, we'd have to hire a nerd.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
But I like to know how many.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Five or six minute drives that they had this year.
I mean, not that many, not that many, you know
what I mean, Like they had long drives last year. Yeah,
eight minute drives where they just pounded your face off, right,
and then they punched it in and they didn't kick
field goals. And that's how you become the most dominant team,
all right, And at the end of the day, that's
how you have a parade, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
So you know, let's you know, you call what.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
It is right, but well it surely isn't the greatest
show on turf, all right, and they don't have to
be all right, but you know, they's.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
Just we haven't been good this year, just just offensively,
it hasn't been right. It's mainly because we can't run
the football. That's the main reason. And you can point
I mean, Dobbin one hasn't played as well, hasn't played
as well.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Cohesion and like you know, obviously Jail is not running
as much. You know, it's just it's like everything's going together,
the perfect storm of us not being able to run
the football, and it's it's affected the offense in a
very bad way. And he's never going to be the
guy that's out there, you know, throwing deep posts and
deep ends like that's not him. He's not he's not

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ripping the ball like we need to be able to
run the football. Maybe we can start against the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
And that worked, and remember the Titans looked that that
worked and remember the Titans. Man, it's like time works
every time, right.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
And that be might be someone the reason we run
six places because he can't. He can't throw the whole tree, right,
I mean, if you if you can't throw the whole tree,
that's where you might where all the film junkies are like, oh,
they run the same six plays. Well, maybe he can't
fill the tree up.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Yeah, I'd say this's a little bit of a Charlie
Brown tree for sure.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
No, in Candy, you're right about that. It's can't mcdamn
And you're right. I mean no, No QP is successful
for long without a running game.

Speaker 7 (56:08):
So that's just a fact.

Speaker 8 (56:13):
They don't.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
They don't win. They don't win.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
They don't win. You know.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
The reason I was, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
There's no rebuttal there that that person is one hundred
percent right, you know, as far as winning, you know,
I think that's the only reason I would just insert
something there.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
You know, you know you don't win.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
You don't have a good offense if you can't run
the football winning wise, right, you know Marino threw the
ball for twenty years, you know, and you know didn't
win without a running game.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
So I mean, you can you can spin the ball,
you know what I.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Mean, but you don't win.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
I mean if you don't think yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
I'm just saying it's you can look back and in
the history and find guys that could spin it, but.

Speaker 8 (56:53):
They didn't win.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
So that's what the comments not. It's not wrong. I
was like I said, I would just insert, you know,
you need to run the football to open up the
pass game if you like to win.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
Yeah, he said, saying, dude, with Stafford, right, he didn't.
He didn't start winning until he got to La where
they where they ran a football effectively. Absolutely, and how
he running back today? Roll through in Detroit a whole lot,
and you had Mega Trod, right, so you're like, oh,
you got Mega Trod.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
I thought that's just going to be so good.

Speaker 8 (57:24):
Dude, everybody. I think everybody's I was a job at
best guy.

Speaker 7 (57:28):
He was awesome McCaw.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
And they had swifty too, right, Yeah, they had swift.

Speaker 7 (57:34):
I mean they had so many They've had so.

Speaker 8 (57:36):
Many swift Stafford.

Speaker 7 (57:42):
That I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Might have been just after its close.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, I agree, he's a coordinator dependent coach Siriani. That
is Luke's comment. Nothing wrong with that, and hire the
right guy, and we don't got to make up for it. Well,
he's proven he can't make up for that, and then
enough time to really like hire the right guy, right
because you want the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
But I'm not giving the guy.

Speaker 8 (58:05):
We're back to that hamster wheels what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I'm just saying he's not the guy that's gonna be
able to jump in and call places for you.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
So but and that's okay. There's a lot of don't
call place.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Well, we knew that, you know what I mean. It's
not like we didn't know this. We were. We watched it.
So like they say make up for stuff, like what's
he making up for? Though?

Speaker 8 (58:24):
Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Like the quarterback has to make up for things. The
offensive line has to make up for things like like
I'm all for firing guys and move and like I'm
all for that ship, right, but players win, like like
players gotta win, Like the NFL you watch so much
take That's why I get.

Speaker 8 (58:41):
So tiredy here.

Speaker 7 (58:42):
I'm all for firing dudes.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
They're fucking predictable. They're predictable, Well I hope, so you
just watch the fucking week's worth of tape.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I would hope some ship they did. You had a
feeling it was coming, and now you still got.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
To go make a play Listen, last year, you could
tell the other team what we're doing every play and
we're still going.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
We're still going right now, doesn't matter, So like I
don't hear it.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I'm so tired of hearing like, oh, they know what
we're running, Like it's okay, they gotta then you've gotta be.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Able to stop it.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Every time we struggle here in Philadelphia, it seems like
every team comes out and says, I don't know what
they're running. We watch them with Doug. Oh they're predictable
at the end. Oh they're predictable. We know what they're running. Okay,
all right?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Is it so funny? It seems like an Eagles thing, like,
oh they're predictable, like nobody else is. I guarantee the
Raiders pretty big.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
They couldn't be because they had a fire off as
a coordinator, because he was running plays they don't even
run in practice fends that aren't even on their play sheet.
So maybe that's why, Maybe that's why Chip wasn't predictable.
It's gonna score points, But like come on.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
Here's the name we can bring back.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Tell me. Tell me a team that you don't know
what their mo is like.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Please enlighten me, because I need to find those teams
that you don't know what they do, Like, you don't
know what they do.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I know what the Buffalo Bills do. I watch them enough.

Speaker 8 (59:55):
I know what they do.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I know what they want to do. They want to
be a to run the football first and foremost, to
set everything else up.

Speaker 8 (01:00:03):
They do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
I know what they want to do now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Two years ago, three years ago, they're run with Josh
Allen to set up everything else. Right now, they want
to run James Cook. You know what they want to do. Like,
come on, I haven't even watched them all twelve weeks
and I still can tell you I know what they
want to do. Go down the list. What do the
Dallas Cowboys want to do right now? They want to start,
They want to step up. They want to run the

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football well, to set up, set up play action. That's
who the Dallas Cowboys are.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
That's how you do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
That's who the Detroit Lions are. Like, I mean, come on, dude,
I know what these themes identities are. So you're telling
me that you watch tape all year long and year
at the year on coaches and schemes and all this,
and you're telling me you want to give a wink
cj oh, we know what yourn. So you're in the
fucking building two out of the last three years. I
hope you know what we're running or you want paying

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attention of a practice.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Like don't give me that. Don't give me that, like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
To does it every week, calls, every calls every play.
He played in the lake for a long time.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
You know all this, all the you know, all this
sets are the same, all right, all the wise he
bananas are the same.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
They flipped it, just different names. Yeah, I mean it's
just yeah, yeah, that's a bad penalty.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Couple of guys just to throw that and you know,
just to give you guys a quick respite because I
was curious as a kitten, all right. Kevin Smith. Kevin
Smith was his running back. Kevin Smith was his running
back job in best and he called it a couple
of years ago. Michel Yeah, Michael, Michael la sure, Oh

(01:01:44):
my god, two years a mir Abdullah Garrett past that
blunt carry on Johnson Adrian Peterson at the end.

Speaker 9 (01:02:03):
At the end of the after he grabbed the switch,
he was a bunch of yes, yeah, I think he
was on Washington for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Oh, I don't, look, I don't disagree with you. I
just don't know what we think. They're not trying to change,
you know what I mean. That's not only that's only.

Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
We do have two really good receivers. So it's kind
of like and it's also it's disheartening that you can't throw.

Speaker 7 (01:02:38):
The football like we should be able to throw the football.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Yeah, and listen, we don't disagree with you, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
All right, but watch football.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
We don't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
We don't disagree with you. I'm just gonna tell you.
And I'm sure you're watching them sports too, Luke, but
you know pro sports, they just don't do it, you
know what I mean, Like just watch watch all the majors,
you know what I mean. Like they're just they're they're
gonna stick there. They're hanging with their guys. They don't
pull guys out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
You know, it's very rare.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
It's very rare that you see you know, changes, right,
you know, now there should be you should make adjustments
in every sport. And I couldn't agree more. I mean,
like if I don't like how guys playing in two quarters,
you know, I pull them out. That's how I operate,
all right, But I'm I'm just telling you how pro
sports operates. It doesn't happen, you know, unless you're a rookie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
You know, let's getting his head beat in and they're like,
all right, come, come have a seat, young man. You
know what I mean, Like when you're when you're a veteran,
it's just not you know, they're not going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
To do that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
So I'm not saying he's calling for taking guys out.
I'm just saying, like, you know, I think we're in
total agreement that you know, you know, you know, adjustments
should be made, you know, change things up. Of course,
the personnel is there, so something something's wrong, right, And

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then if you know, at least if you're making adjustments
all right, then you'll know it's the personnel. If you're
doing different things all right, you know, because it's the
definition of insanity doing the same thing and expect over
and over and expect the different results.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
You know, that's insanity. So we all know that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
So if you're you know, at least, if you're making
adjustments and you and you're and you're throwing some different
looks out there then and things aren't working, then you know, hey,
that's you know, maybe we don't have the personnel for this.

Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
You know, Washington driving spot on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I believe KP. I don't want to say KP is clueless.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I'm gonna say a lot of times when you take
over play calling again, that's you being in a rhythm.
That's you with being able to adjust on the fly.
There are things great play callers need.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
You can be a great play designer but a terrible
play caller.

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
You could be a bad play designer but a great
play caller, right because you have a feel for it
either feel what the defense is trying to do to you,
and you're able to go in and that minutes of halftime.
By the time you get in the locker room and
back out that nine minutes, you figure shit the fuck out, right,
and your guy and now this isn't just a KP thing.
Now they make this clear, this is the entire offensive staff.

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Because you have guys up in the press box that
are there for a goddamn reason, and their reason is
to figure out what defenses are running and what they're
trying to stop you from doing so you can go
do the opposite, right, Like, this is the easiest shit
in the world. This isn't Kevin batool on an island
all by himself. Like, it's high school football, right, high
school football? You got two extra guys up in the box.

(01:05:32):
Holy shit, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:05:33):
You got, you got?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
You have five guys up in the box.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
High school football, I mean you got you have four
boxes full of guys. I mean the offensive coordinator box
has five guys in it. There's five guys in that box.
So their job is this, that's their job.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
I just look at it, like I listen, I agree
with you.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
I just you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
To me, especially when you're dealing with professional.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Sports, I think the weakest cop out is when you
know coordinators or you know, hitting coaches or pitching coaches
are the first ones.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
To get fired, all right, to me, that's cop out
central for me.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Right. These are pro athletes that you know, I understand,
you know, we're talking about two different sports. I'm just saying, like,
you know a guy that can hit, you know, so
when the Phillies don't hit, it's like Kevin Long's a bum.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Get him the fuck out? Or what's he doing?

Speaker 8 (01:06:22):
He's not in the box.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
He's not in the box. You know, he's probably talking
game plan and probably and then talking approach. I'm not there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
I don't know what kind of approach they're talking about,
you know what I mean. But he's the first one
that gets fired because the Phillies don't hit. Come on, man,
how about the three hundred million dollar guys or just anybody?

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
You guys are gett paid so same here, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Yes, the play calling looks planned, it looks it looks
it looks fanilla, it looks terrible, right, But they got
enough guys they should be able to make plays, man,
Like you got a guy that's the you know, it
was the Super Bowl MVP and then out played the
guy and it was the best player when.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
They lost the Super Bowl too.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
You know, so at some point you expect that guy
to make place where whether I'm fucking just drolling place
up in the sand with a bottle cap and a
fucking rock, you expect that guy and those guys on
our fence to make plays.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Agree, man, Yeah, that's you know, that's the way I
look at it. Maybe I'm incorrect how you're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
That could be grounding.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Again, I think you're mute a Tom, did you hear you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
But what I appreciate it, and I didn't go longer there, Jason,
a lot of great points, sweeps and and what Jason
says here is you're six with Hurts and you expect
him to be a great pastor and properly read progressions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
What else say to this? If you look it back
from Jalen Hurts year two to Jalen Hurts Now, they
say he's not a better passer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I think isn't fair, right, and and I'm hard on jailing, Okay,
but they say he's not a better passer than he
was when he came in. That's crazy talking. He's definitely
a better passer, Okay. Does that mean he goes through
his progressions the way he shout or as fans as
he should.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I'm not saying that. But I've also seen him do
it well. I've seen him do it well. We praised
him for doing it well at times. I think at times, Hell,
I'm not in the guys, I'm not in the kids head, right,
I can't answer what's the problem in this specific year,
But but I'm not ready to say he doesn't know,
like does not how to read defenses. He's not a

(01:08:29):
good enough passer because he's a good enough passer. Right,
there's levels to this, all, right? Is he Matthew Stafford
and the route and the whole rouchery? No, but he's
still really good, yes, Like you know what I mean.
Like there's levels to it, Like the reason there's a
reason he doesn't try to throw the whole routrey either,
I would have ridle the people something here. There's a
reason he doesn't try to do it. And you're gonna say, well,

(01:08:52):
why Tom, why wouldn't he try?

Speaker 8 (01:08:53):
Why would he throw?

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Well, why wouldn't you need to tell me, Tom? I
need that answer.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
I have it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Because he loves winning so fucking much that he knows
what he's great at and he knows what he's not
good at. And that's called accountability. That's called looking in
a mirror. And that doesn't mean I'm trying to get
better at it. I believe he does, right, But I
believe he's never gonna try to put his teams in
harm's way to lose football games by thread and needles

(01:09:22):
all the time, right, and being some of these gunslingers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
That's not who he is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Because he doesn't take chances. Yeah, exactly doesn't take chances,
and he can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Maybe he can do it, but maybe he doesn't believe
in it as much because it isn't a justson Herbert
arm right, It isn't that. I mean we saw now
after the win died a little bit. You know, the
first two throws were tough, tough to look at. Now
Caleb was going the other way, it was a little
bit better, but you can see it. I mean, there's
more simpity due now with these guys. You're you got
blinders on if you don't see that. That being said,

(01:09:58):
he can throw a lot of a lot of balls.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
These guys throwing people he can't throw over the middle.
Yes he can.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I've watched them, like, like, it doesn't make sense to me.
Does he like to live more on you know, outside
of the you know, outside of the numbers. Yeah, he
does like to live more outside of the numbers. Right,
A lot of smaller quarterbacks do, right, But I think
he's gotten better throwing over the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Again, I think this all comes back to this is
non excuse. This all comes back to essentially leaving the
league in penalties. Like holy shit, people like the two
easiest things, like why are they struggling offensively? Well, they're
struggling to run the football, and then when they actually
do a little bit, they get called back all the time.
When they have a good run. It's like the NFL, No,

(01:10:41):
it's like, oh, Eagle's got a ten year run.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Call that back. That's not no way that happened. Get out,
call it down, no shot.

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
But they do feel like that long runner this year,
So there's got to be a fly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah, the year piece comes and everything, Oh he has
got a first down pick play to pick offensive like,
so every little thing that goes well comes back. And
I think that's just the year you're in, and that's
what they have to They have to continue to fight
through that, right, which isn't easy to do, right And

(01:11:16):
where a lot of teas after you win Super Bowl,
I think you get you get a little bit more
go your way, I think, rightfully. So nobody likes us, okay,
but not saying the NFL is against us here, I'm
just joking. But that's where it starts. Starts in the
run game, and it starts in penalties. But don't say
that he can't do it. He just doesn't do it.

(01:11:39):
And that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
That's why you have to turn the football. That's why.
So what do you want? Do you want the gun
slinger who's going to turn it over? He's going to
But what do you get? What do you get more
out of?

Speaker 8 (01:11:54):
Like what's I mean?

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
We've we've won some games to that point.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
Matthew Stafford just because you brought him up eighteen to
twenty eight today two forty three two Toddy's two turnovers
in a loss at Caroline.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, they were.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
The least the greatest guy to bring up that. I
think he I think he had gone like thirty touchdown
passes and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Brought it up all morning. That's why. That's why.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
But Jald like so many games that right, you know
what I mean? Like Ky just going on a winning streak. Yeah,
we've both them. But you can take Yelage streaming for
Jimmy g right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Well maybe because but but what I'll say to he
is what they asked Jalen before the game. Oh, Chicago
leaves the league turnovers, it's what they do. He goes, well,
we're pretty good at what we do it's almost like
it's almost like you put the sword right through your
heart and it's.

Speaker 8 (01:12:47):
Like, what do you want to talk into existence?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Yeah, like he like football is weird to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I said, well, you can book turnovers for him today
because he was confident about it as he should be,
as he should be, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
But my point is that's why he doesn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
And and again that doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean
it's I think it's I think it's I think it's
a pick your poison.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
But but again with the KP stuff, like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
A J SAIDs and other guys saying that, like they
they a lot of their feedback gets gets used, right,
like the players are saying that, like you know, the
the Siriani, like AJ said, you know, as of this week,
how Nick's knicks Nicks keep us keeps us up, It
keeps us going and keeps us focused on what the

(01:13:32):
what the task is at hand. Right, he doesn't let
this stuff become more than what it is. He's greater
level on us out whatever it was. He's dead, okay,
But but the facts is it's like let's just let's
just take a step back, right, we lose Monday and
and it looks it looks a lot the same. Listen, guys,
I'm I'm coming. You know the Titanic sinking. I need,

(01:13:52):
I need, I need like jackets and rafts over here asap, right,
But I'm not ready to jump.

Speaker 8 (01:13:57):
I want.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
But the band is playing for sure. Doesn't mean I'm
not going to stick it out. Just mean the band
starting to go. Do I trust her or not? And
I gotta make all right? But I'm never jump off
going down with the ship. I'm like, uh yeah, I'll
never jump. I would like him, I would like a brandy.
But I might tell you they're done like I might.
I might tell you, yay, they're done. They're done, But

(01:14:17):
I'm not jumping. I'm gonna ride it out. But they're done.
If you're if you're a loser, you can stop watching.
But I'm gonna stick it out and pray something changes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I want. Listen, man, we say it every week.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I want to believe it's going to I'm not gonna
Last week my player at the game was two penalties
so that day and age well, so anything we're picking
right now isn't working.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
But guess what when you're struggling like this, what do
you need what stops it? Well, you got one on
Friday and you turned it over. But it's turning over
is down in another team zone. It's just getting seven.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
It's getting seven some out from your offense right and
getting the ball in the ten and not fumbling it
and actually converting a touchdown and just come on the
double in the gap right to get you know, it's
something to get going. Like I said, Oh, you can't
come up two all the time and expect to get
a hit, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Or two again, that's the Eagles. The Eagles come on
in the field and they're third and twenty either by
a sack apparalty. Yeah, you're right, Nick's yelling.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
You know, I'll tell you why, Luke tell you why.
If so, everybody gets upset. I love John Campbell. By
the way, how did that get a single snap?

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I don't know, but because of the Kobe Dean, Like
the Kobe Dean's that good where it was coming off
even coming off.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
An injury like that, I mean I could see maybe
giving him a snap incident we were getting ran through.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Hey go play d end for a play, like I
don't know, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Like yeah, I don't know, but I think his numbers
and his snap counts have gone down every week the
more the Kobe's played.

Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
Yes, I didn't realize it was zero though, Yeah it
was zero. I would yeah, I mean I would classify
that as unacceptable. When you get ran thrill like true,
you're right, Look.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
You're right, like, hey, maybe throm a detackle for you're
about on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Don't get me wrong, but that's why he's not. But
when you get to your point, but this is a
ten nine game going into the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
So as much as they were getting getting.

Speaker 8 (01:16:24):
Rent all over, Yeah, you're right, it was one possession.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
They bended and not broke the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
So they kept up. They kept us in it. But
who knows you kicked them? You make the extra points
ten ten. Maybe the fact that you make it ten nine,
you start feeling decent about yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Oh here comes ten ten? Uh no, ten nine. You
can't get anything fucking consistent.

Speaker 6 (01:16:48):
Then it gets the interception, Yeah, it looks great, and
then you fumble on the push push.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
You can't go go Harvey Rutt. But you know what
gets them over it? Get fucking over it?

Speaker 8 (01:17:02):
Yeah, do it all?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Like no, no, no, no, no, not moving on actually
getting over it, Actually going in the game and having
success could put it all in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
The rear view mirror for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:17:13):
That's what I told you.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
We need to get right game. We need a game
where we dropped like forty Burger.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Who could come in? Can Tennessee come in? I got
twenty four and the only team out there. I feel like,
you get, you get. You could write it down it's Tennessee.
Like if Tennessee wants to play Raiders, yeah to a point,
to a point, but Max Crosby the seventh sack game
away from like oh that was fun.

Speaker 8 (01:17:37):
Ten ten six game because they can't they can't score
on offense.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Look, yeahs seventy game away from.

Speaker 8 (01:17:48):
A great game.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Get right game.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
I mean remember last time we played the Raiders, Tom
was like negative twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
I mean the Raiders, you know rate you be over
ten and you know that's the Raiders are like when
you're oh for ten, oh for twelve with like six
punchies and they come to town, You're like, oh, yeah
it's four for four, couple doubles, good right here, get
on the barrel all day.

Speaker 7 (01:18:12):
Yeah you're going to Colorado and sends it tells on
the mountains like this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
This is a good day, man.

Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
Everybody's healthy today.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Luke, he has to put two good games together. I mean,
he had a sack that he fell into, a monot
tackle him that made it, that made it look like
he had a better day than he did.

Speaker 8 (01:18:33):
To your point, he is not well, that's fine because
let that price keep coming down.

Speaker 7 (01:18:39):
Harvey, get Harvey, and hansl get Harvey and get Harvey.

Speaker 8 (01:18:42):
And I know I'm praying right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
No, I mean I've been saying it all year like that.
If he doesn't play well and doesn't have the numbers,
he's not gonna. I mean, you ain't getting a guy
that has two sacks one hundred and fifty million dollars
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Ain't nobody's doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
I don't care how good he is, guy, spin on
the guy and then and two sacks so far, Like
I don't care what.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
O't care?

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
You're getting triple team, do you understand? Like nope, nobody's
giving them one fifty.

Speaker 8 (01:19:07):
Everybody does in this league.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Jordan Davis is worth worth more money right now than
jail On Carterez. And that's crazy in this moment, right
this second, Who's played better this year, That's all I'm saying,
not who I think overall is the better player.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Sure, but you know Jordan Davis had a better year.
He's lost weight, he looks better.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I mean, I'm playing both one hundred million, No I
say that, and we we just gave up one hundred
by two guys.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
So like, hey, Tom, you got eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yeah I saw it, but I still would feel obligated
that I have to get both of these guys one
hundred million dollars deals.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
Well that's yeah, that's because that's the philosophy that the
Eagles have always preached on, is you went up, you
went up front, right, So yeah, they're not gonna left
those guys walk out the door.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Yeah, ext your point.

Speaker 7 (01:19:53):
I'm I'm in a.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
An extra point and then stop away from cover. Oh
you gotta be sick there, stomach. The old overtime rules
over time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Rules as you're going through right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
That's because the only thing different, the only thing different
is the offensive coordinator. Like like, let's really look at
Makai Beck. Then, I mean, there there are two differences.
And obviously Lane Johnson for sure, right, but like there
are two differences, So.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Who's it on or you just won a super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Everybody's a little bit more bumped and bruised, especially your
running back who was obviously year after. Nobody in the
NFL history has ever ran for two k and went
on to win a super Bowl, So there's no there's
no history of how that running back responds year two,
but it's a history of all the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Hey, guys, there's a history.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
And this is what I don't understand everybody in the
fucking Novercare right, This is where I get fired up.
Everybody inside the Novercare or football story and supposedly they're
all football guys, right, football guys. Right, you don't know
that every back that's worked for two thousand has it
down here in the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
And nobody's ever gone and had that many attempts.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Nobody's had that many because nobody's went won a super Bowl,
So you don't assume that that guy is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Gonna have a little bit of a a little bit
of a down this year.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Again. I yeah, and fantasy I skipped right over them
at four.

Speaker 8 (01:21:25):
I wish I did, reason I could not pull the trigger,
and someone did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
But yeah, yeah, you get to the end and you're like,
so fuck me right, I'm gonna put it right where
it starts. Jordan Malatta, Landon Dickerson, am Jurgens Tyler seen
who I didn't believe in any way. I would never
let a Kai back then, go I said, any all seasons,
either Isaiah arrived had to be back or Kai back then.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
You couldn't lose both. Eight time, we're gonna lose both.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
And then and and obviously Fred Johnson and Lane Johnson too,
because they can't run the ball to the right either.
So when he's in, they can't run the ball that
way either. So I'm putting it on all five. It's
hard to put anything on Lane. With the five of
them as a group, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Who it's on. Nothing's con sits in enough upfront, I mean,
Jordan Malonel. So you can't play anymore like that quick
All Pro, first team All Pro guy can't play, can't
play now? Is it the long season? Other teams don't
have it now? They do have it right, like you've
watched it with the Pages walking with the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Now they figure it out though, right, they find ways
to win games, and they figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
They get into the postseason, and then they're throwing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Their rout, yeah, and listen when you're I know, like
I said, Luke, we agreed with you, Luke. So I mean,
just go back to your point real quick, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:22:46):
Like you know, when when.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Everything's working like it's supposed to, then you just you know,
then that's okay, man, Then you can just maul people.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
That's what they did for years.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
They would maul people up front and then you know
it's just you know, it opened up, it opened up
some throwing lanes, you know what I mean. So when
you're not doing that, we understand it. It's gonna be
it's gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
That's where I'm a one hundred percent agreement.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Like that's where the vanilla comes from, because I feel
like you see a lot of teams, right, and I
don't know the last time the Eagle's ever read a
reverse a fucking fleet flicker something. All right, there's a
thousand dudes in that kind damn to Tom's point in
the overcare, all right, nobody's got nothing likes to have
everybody over for Thanksgiving, man, and put all kinds of

(01:23:32):
ideas in a hat, pick out of a goddamn hat,
do something right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
But there ain't fucking nothing wide receiver screen something I
ever seen anything.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
So I mean that's where I'll be in full agreement
that you know, this is like what the fuck are
you guys doing?

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
You know what I mean? But you know, at the
end of the day, I still believe players play.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
But shit, man, you see it all over the place,
you know the creativity, and it's just it's fucking null
and voyd here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
It's so funny you said that. I just literally said that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Yesterday when was over, my sister was talking to the
skies about football and said, I don't get it, Like,
there's no there's no like reverse, right, there's there's nothing
like there's nothing, just different, Like give them something different
that you've never done, Like you said, fleet flicker, anything
a reverse, a reverse fleet flicker.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
There's something that this show something sometypele crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:24:26):
You know, you're not a gadget wide receiver pass.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
You're not a gadget team and something. Yeah, just anything,
you know, I mean this.

Speaker 8 (01:24:34):
We brought brought up the Patriots real quick and the Chiefs, right,
so two thousand and one, obviously they wonted nine and
seven next year, missed the playoffs at all. Yeah, two
thousand and three, two thousand and four, they went back
to back. The only time they went back to back
two thousand and five, they went ten and six. Lost
the division two thousand and six, two thousand six, who
went twelve before loss in the conference go to twenty

(01:24:55):
fourteen because there was a run in there where they
either did make the playoffs or they lost right in
the playoffs. Won the Super Bowl fourteen twelve and four.
In fifteen, they lost in the conference round, super Bowl
sixteen thirteen and three, lost in the super Bowl in
seventeen eighteen. Was their last super Bowl. Twenty nineteen, they

(01:25:16):
were twelve and four, and then that was starting the
demise there, right, seven and nine, ten and seven. So
like every team after the Super Bowl goes through.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Those well just a quick enit to that little tidbit
you had there.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
I understand what you're saying. I think that time they
missed it was when Brady blew out the knee. That
was that was a Matt Castle year, because.

Speaker 8 (01:25:37):
They were yeah year, you're right, you're right, because they
were eleven five five. Castle was the was the highest. Yes,
And then you go to the Chiefs. They won in nineteen,
lost in Super Bowl twenty twenty fourteen to two twenty one,
twelve and five, they lost in the conference, then they

(01:25:58):
went back to back, lost to US at fifteen and two,
and they're now six and six. Right, So there's a
reason why no one's ever won three in a row,
and it's so hard to even go back to back.
And I think if we all look at the in
the beginning of the year, we go back and check Tate,
what do we have the record ats criminals twelve and five,

(01:26:21):
thirteen and four. I think Tommy, you might have been
the highest at fourteen and three, maybe right, but you
were I think you were thirteen fourteen wins.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
No, thirteen four, thirteen and four.

Speaker 8 (01:26:32):
Okay, yeah, so we're all right, and we're still right
in line.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
I mean that is PI. What's he doing?

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
I apologize, I apologize, I apologize, reps. I mean that
was the whole condom, everything, every every everything, Jesus.

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
That was everything right through?

Speaker 8 (01:26:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Sorry, everything in his arsel there.

Speaker 7 (01:26:54):
Yeah, plenty of time he could have just gotten from
and knocked it away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:27:00):
So, I mean it's it's real, right, It definitely is real.
Doesn't mean teams don't don't figure it out. Sure, Yeah,
yet again I'm not I wasn't using it evening, even
as a cop.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
I was just saying, like, that's usually what happens, and
you have to figure out a way to get sort
of fight scratching claw to the twelve wins, right in
those types of years and you're you're still everybody perceives
you as being the best, but there's things that are
off that from the year prior, you know what I mean,
There's just little things that you're maybe not as good as.
And a lot of that is the amount of players,

(01:27:37):
the amount of players teams lose that win Super Bowls.

Speaker 8 (01:27:41):
Right, and coaches and coaches because again, you're the last
pick of you're the last pick of the dance.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
In it's February. It's just talking about the Eagles. That's
like February fourteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Yeah, I don't know where he was going with that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
That was me talking about Saquan right, that was where
I was saying that, Like it's it's wearing tearing a
running back still February fourteenth. Yeah, he needed he needed
from it in September. He should be getting half less
carries than he would whoever your marker was for him,
your number, I would have cut it in half because
I didn't need him in September. I didn't need him

(01:28:14):
in October. I didn't need him in November. I need
him now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Yeah, that's when I needed. I need him when it
got cold out right, I needed I needed him to
get going a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I understand you're gonna say, tom how are you not
gonna I A'm not gonna put.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Your best player out there all time? I just told
him to. I just told you why.

Speaker 8 (01:28:34):
Well, speaking of not getting any snaps, I think it's
a travesty that. And we talked about this all the time,
but it's a travesty that Tank Vis Bigsley got one snap.
Oh maybe I don't even know if he did get
one now, oh no. But to your point, Tommy, there's
no way that we couldn't have found one snap in

(01:28:54):
a one score game the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Yeah, I just don't know where aren't there?

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
You know, I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Again, A bunch of football guys that can't can't figure
can't figure that out. And I think it's you know,
it's important to try to lessen his workload a little bit,
especially at this point, so you have them when you
need him, when you need them most, and when you
need the most is obviously this week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
But you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
I think it's I think it's time to start just
giving guys some more carriages because guys had success.

Speaker 8 (01:29:33):
Run well, he definitely has a clip, right, you got
a break.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
And then that habits. Oh my god, that's so mad. Sorry, boys,
me and Wilson are being out of control.

Speaker 8 (01:29:50):
I'm sorry, but.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
I'm not gonna put this on you because Wilson starts
at all time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Like you know, I maybe I just have the capability
of being a grown and being able to watch and
do two things at once, like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Games right in front of my eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
No, but you commenting on the whole game, Like anybody
really out there gives a rats answer about your commentary
of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
They're probably they're listening.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
I don't really care, I do, you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Okay, you know, mid mid conversation, you know I care
a little bit. You know I was once or twice,
you know what I mean, once or twice? You know,
guys just excited. You know, you get this touchdown?

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
You need I get it you know all right, No,
I mean you're excited for You're excited for Harmy. I'm
excited for Washington Denver.

Speaker 7 (01:30:35):
I mean really, I just wanted to tie it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
My biggest biggest issue would be if they go for two,
because I want them to tie it so the prongers
can get the ball back and I can get more Harvey.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Okay, that's.

Speaker 7 (01:30:51):
It's tough to go trying to make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Hear, I'm out again.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I'm retiring because I didn't make the playoffs and all
three that's never happened, so it's time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Yeah, I'm trying to retire.

Speaker 8 (01:31:03):
Just yeah, they just the league's taking the phone out
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Good rosters. Yeah, don't get it.

Speaker 8 (01:31:14):
Yeah, of course it's me. But how did I go,
oh for sixteen on on Thursday? Oh for sixteen bets?

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
But that's not what I'm saying, And that's pastic.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
Nobody was making funny and Jesse, we're just saying in
February fourte Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Five months and eight days, I'm I might call mamma
time he has off I'm talking about. I don't know
if we're on the same page. There was no point
to go back to this you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
Yeah, I mean weah, yeah, we're definitely not on the
same page.

Speaker 6 (01:31:43):
Like obviously everyone has the off season off, but it's
the wear and tear that he took this year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
I didn't say, like, hey, Eagles played straight.

Speaker 7 (01:31:51):
Through you know what I mean, had a few games
in April.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Yeah, I run at the West Coast, at the West
Coast stretch out there in Colorado and then fucking Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Hey, guys don't need to go anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Yeah, ex over, let me stay around. Oh wait, what,
it's a long season.

Speaker 8 (01:32:22):
Last week last week they put it from their own
twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
Well that would be the opponent of course. Score. Yeah,
the opponents you're gonna put on your own twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
It was like, yeah, that's what teams do. You know
what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:32:42):
Yeah, the going for it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
Yeah, it was an emoji. My head would went well, yes,
what I was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
I mean they all got time off chess. Yeah, I
just it's.

Speaker 7 (01:32:57):
Things just haven't been clicking this year.

Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
It's it's not going so like I said we were
saying earlier, everything last year went smooth, like you know,
we everything went went well, Like every button we pushed
when it worked it's it's not this year, it's these.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
Are like, yeah, they're like contested threes. It feels like
everything is a contested three.

Speaker 8 (01:33:18):
Off balance.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
No layup snow free throws.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Yeah, sorry, on the night of that happened, I apologize
for using the throw free throw reference, but no layup
snow free throws.

Speaker 7 (01:33:33):
I mean, I Syracuse can't hit what if they throw
the boat from free throw lines?

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
So I I get it.

Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
That's rough. Yes, yeah, that was a rough week for them. Yeah,
and like I said, I didn't think they played all
that bad either.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
No, we played pretty well, but were only three tough games.
But yeah, the Houston game is brutal though. Twelve twelve
to twenty from three throw lines. Uh, deplorable. It's deplorable.
And again that you losen over time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely does feel like that. Jessea Well Iowa,
Walky Philadelphia.

Speaker 8 (01:34:09):
I mean yeah, yeah, that's a good analogy.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
Toddy fucking I didn't even know McLaurin was gonna play.
I have him in fantasy too, but he's on the bench.

Speaker 4 (01:34:23):
Cocksucker, she should they're going for tools.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
Oh you motherfuckers.

Speaker 8 (01:34:28):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Had nothing to lose.

Speaker 6 (01:34:33):
I hope they get it. Fuck the Broncos. I also
hope they get it because I missed a text from
Sweeps earlier. I'll feel better about it if the Washington
gets this. Yes his fault, yes fault. Yeah, it sucked

(01:35:02):
it kind of it was. It's a ship show in there.
Tomorrow is gonna be a ship show. Cyber Monday one
a day.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:35:12):
I think I bought about just about everything that was
for sale online this weekend. Oh nice, nothing good or
was needed.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Well they get.

Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
Loaded nothing nothing that was good or needed.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
Yeah, just complete impulse ship.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Just bunch of gadgets. That's one sale.

Speaker 8 (01:35:36):
Yeah, oh look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
I'll take it.

Speaker 8 (01:35:39):
Oh you buy three? You get him for for all.

Speaker 7 (01:35:42):
Right, i'd I don't think that Sinny is great.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
I think he's horrific.

Speaker 7 (01:35:48):
Yeah, it's gonna say easy. He might be, he might
be baged.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
I don't know. If there's like a worst safety in
the lake than him. He may be the worst safety
in football. So bad, Oh my god.

Speaker 8 (01:36:05):
And thankfully Caleb was just as bad on that throat
because that dude was wide open.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
That's a lot of time to do that. Jan Like,
I know you're not I mean, I'm sorry, Greg, you
got a hand up. I know you're not in the ties,
but two fifty you got a chance to get the
ball back.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
I don't know what.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Yeah, fucking skinner teeth all year.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
I feel not a Sydney Brown guy.

Speaker 8 (01:36:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:36:36):
No, I don't like Sidney either. I don't think he's
very good.

Speaker 8 (01:36:40):
Luke, is that true? They hiring a b Yu guy.

Speaker 7 (01:36:42):
I don't like that storm and Mormon.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Suh.

Speaker 8 (01:36:49):
That looks like they're hyeingsckey. I gotta figure out how
to say his name. Yeah, I don't know how. I mean,
I don't Yeah, the weathers he'll be fine with the
weather because obviously Salt Lake City is is there. But
uh yeah, I don't know how we fit culture wise.
That's kind of a weird, a weird one. But they
put themselves in that spot. They put themselves in that spot.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
He's done a great job there, coach.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
Yes, that's he is in l s U.

Speaker 7 (01:37:26):
Well, we'll go crumbs, don't start talking about him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
We can fire it up. I'll start. That's where I'm
I mean, I'm gonna go Eagles, But let me let
me go somewhere. Let me go somewhere. Let me go
somewhere different with my crumb is not letting him coach.
That's my crumb. I love that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:48):
You're you're going to You're gonna go run.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
He's not gonna, but you're wanting to arrive a No.

Speaker 8 (01:37:58):
I hear you on that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
But when the players that's for it is I don't care, Okay,
and I I mean, I hear you. I get you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I get what you're saying too, but don't tell me
you don't care. That's the only reason I do care.
Usually I wouldn't care. But when I hear all the
players wanted it, that made me feel a little different
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
That's why they became a little crummiged to me because honestly,
back the money.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Up there too, he did, Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
They matched everything, Buddy, this is this is Johnny ego.
Since Johnny's man, blame b Lane.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Okay, go win it. You can do the same second
thing there, they matched the money. I think that what
are you gonna say?

Speaker 8 (01:38:34):
What you thought?

Speaker 7 (01:38:35):
It was incredible that he was like off that they
wouldn't let him coach like he was.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
He It was he.

Speaker 6 (01:38:44):
Of course, you just said you're gonna go to a
rival of course they don't want you to coach.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
It is because the calendar is fucking wrong. And that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:51):
And it goes back to the n C Double A. Right,
any other sport you can fill and finish what you started,
and I have no problem with that. People move on
all the time, right, But the fucking recruiting windows there,
fucking transfer portal, all that ship is. I think the
transfer portal opens up in January, but all the recruiting
time and the recruiting time is now, so I mean
you can't get behind them.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
You don't want to get behind the eight ball, you know.
So that's just it's it's uh, you know, it comes
down to the n C Double A again, you know
what I mean, Even though I'm not a fanance and.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
Finish.

Speaker 5 (01:39:23):
If the season at the calendar was different, you could
finish the season and and and get after it, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Because again, people move on all the time. People want to.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
Say they want to have better things for their family
and all that stuff, right, but you know, don't tell
me financial they matched there, They matched every fucking dime.
So and again sometimes you want to you want to
move on, you know, as lsu A better place than
Ole Missy.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna be I know,
I'm just saying I'm not gonna do.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
They have the same They're gonna match, They're gonna they're
gonna have the same, nil money, the same.

Speaker 8 (01:39:55):
I think it is now because just from a national
stand heat built Ole miss to what it was. I
was all in favor of him staying. Let's be real,
I wanted him to stay. I wanted him to continue
to build that right. But I think if you're looking
at from my standpoint, if you're looking to win a championship,
you need to be at l s U like l
s U. To me, L s U, Alabama, Ohio State,

(01:40:19):
maybe Michigan are the only jobs that I would leave
Ole miss for. I vom Lane Kiffin right, just because
it puts you in that upper tier. He built that
to do it like they're they're.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
So.

Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
But I don't think he can win a championship there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
You're eleven and one, I mean just keeping I.

Speaker 8 (01:40:39):
Don't think he can win a championship there.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
But people are coming to play for you, so you're gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Get those guys if if if money is listen, I'm
with you, and.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
I understand, don't know if you're looking at the two places, yes,
way more sexy. All right, that's the double D fucking
girl on the beach. Absolutely l s u it's got
a it's got everything. But if old Miss is saying, hey, listen,
we got the resources, we got the money, we matched
all that. You've already established what you want to establish here.
You're eleven and one. You got a chance, you're in
the playoffs. I don't know what else you want, you

(01:41:11):
know what I mean? Are you saying some people are
he can't you know, people want to if people want
to play for him, if he's the recruiting guru, which
I understand he is, then they're gonna come there anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
I don't know, I don't know, you know, happy of.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Course, Yeah, yeah, I think this is right. Then it
really came down the more nil money. So more money
gives them.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
I thought ole Miss was saying that they have the
same amount, But I mean, I Link, it doesn't surprise me.
Link Kiffin is a snake, so it doesn't surprise you.

Speaker 7 (01:41:46):
But he is a very good coach.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, Like again, I didn't know they offered
the same amount of money. Right, I didn't think they could.
I think that's why, you know, I mean, and there.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Was some leaked audio too, so I don't know how
I liked he was too. I'm sure he was a
tour but I didn't click on it because you know,
I mean, but Greg, somebody can maybe find it. They
said there was some some lock, you know, because what
makes even more of a crumb because I don't know.
I did he show up for the meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
I heard he didn't, which is they.

Speaker 6 (01:42:14):
Told him not to, at least their interview that I
he gave, like he put he wanted to. He put
a release out.

Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
I saw that he wanted to the mark. I watched
the five minute Marty Smith's interview he had and he
asked him about the meeting, and he asked him about
uh wanting to coach, and he he deflected to the
a D made that decision.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
The deeper in them.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Everybody's built in the portal too. Yeah, you're not developing
guys anymore, nobody is. I mean, you know you can't.
I mean guys that you know, there's not it's not
outlandish that guys aren't going to stay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Everything.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Everything's built in the portal.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Yeah, I think he probably feels like an L s U.
He probably doesn't have to use it as much, maybe
as old mess.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
You wont get there. I think of that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
If you're asking me to match up to two programs,
it's not even fucking close. So I get I never
said agree with that, you know, I mean, and I
you know, I guess when it comes to me, I'm
built different. But you know, I said, everybody's you know,
everybody's got to do things, you know, for their own
sake and uh and and their family and stuff. But
like when you're just like I would just would I

(01:43:28):
would like him to come out and say that, you know,
I mean, but he doesn't have to. But you know,
he can say whatever he wants. But I think more
people will respect him, you say, like, listen, you know,
we really had to you know, I feel like we
were maybe up against it here, you know, and I
really want to, you know, uh, but I don't know
when you're eleven to one and you know, six team
in the country and stuff to say like that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Again, it's it's a slippery slope.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
The more opportunity to become I.

Speaker 5 (01:43:59):
Feel like guy that always has I feel like he's
the guy with that type of personality.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
That he's got to move on. He's had enough, he
gets bored, you know, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
That's how I feel he is. And again do you man, Like,
who are we to say anything? You know what I mean,
Like we're just gonna comment on it because that's just
not how some of us are structured.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
Doesn't mean Greg is a bad guy because he you know,
because he agrees with that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Or likes it, you know what I mean, And or anybody,
you know what I mean, Like, you know, I don't
the son's gonna come up tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
I can give two ships when Ley kiff it does,
you know, I mean, I just don't like I put
it in this situation besides him just being a worm,
I think, yeah, I think it's just more on the
n C double A again with the calendar.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
You know, I mean, just fix it, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
You got to you know, now you're going to have
a product where of course they're gonna make it all right.
But you look, if you're in that, you know this
isn't you know the same as F s U a
couple of years ago when Travis got hurt. Right, But
you're still if you're in that room, you're saying, I
know they're eleven to one and they're one of the
best teams in the country.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
They deserve to be in the playoffs, but they just
lost their head coach. Yeah, they just lost their head coach.

Speaker 8 (01:45:10):
And then what that does.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
That means those are.

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
Remaining guys have one foot out the door because now
they're uncertain about their future.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
So are they that invested in playing this game?

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
So I don't even know if I would give them
a home game, you know what I mean, Like I
would you know, like who knows where they're gonna get seated,
you know what I mean? But those kids are you know,
there's gonna be a lot on their mind. You know,
there's just and who knows if they're going to you know,
be able to you know, right the ship and get
themselves ready to I would say.

Speaker 7 (01:45:39):
Almost guaranteed now that they have no shot, yeah, to
win it.

Speaker 6 (01:45:44):
That is like they could win a game, but they're
not gonna win it all. So yeah, I know, I
just think I'm not a big lame guy. He's a
good coach, but I think it was and like you
are right, it's about the NCAA should change the thing
so that you let everybody coached all the way through.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Well, I was going to get we went off, We
went quick, We went quick. Heated there, which is great.
Naturally that topic was going to go that way.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
But that's where I was going with it, Like I
was gonna I was gonna get to the NCA needs
to change with at that doesn't happen to the to
the players who put all the time in this season
into it. Yes, that's what my heart, Yeah, that's what
my heart goes like he doesn't care about the recruit
Like think about this.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Like, again, I'm not the lame guy, so I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Switzerland here totally on this conversation, right, But what I'm
saying is like, like to the point about.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
The recruit like the early the early signing day is Wednesday, right,
it's Candy saying here, So there's no way, like there's
no way you can say at Old Mass and coach
through a huge recruiting day.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Well he's saying he would, like that's that's the point
of it, Like he's invested into what he started this year.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Right now, Again, guys move on all the time, like
Sweeps is saying.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
But like that's what college football needs to change how
they do things and when signing days are they get
through this process, they got to change up after can
go because like again, it hurts the player here, right,
and and the whole thing about the player.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
And I was about the player. Portals about the player.
It's quota right quote at all, it's all about the player.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Well this sounds about the player too, man, because even
if it's a record bowl game, whatever it may be,
there's a lot of guys that aren't opted out of
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
And I want to play in it, right, And I
think this, I think not losing.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Anyone, That's what I'm saying. One a couple.

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
In December deciding it shouldn't be in December, you know
what I mean. There's no reason they can't be in February.
If you move the goalpost and no pun intended, and
you move the calendar, you know what I mean. But again,
we gotta have spring football. Why we gotta have spring football.
You guys can do whatever you want, you know, in
the weight room and all that stuff, but I mean,
you can't be you know, just because it's the most
lucrative sport money wise. Right, you get to you know,

(01:47:55):
you get to play year round. I mean, come on, dude,
that's that. I don't think that's right either.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
Right, it should just be like.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
You know, you want to have like a two week
window where there's like you know, air quote college O
t as or you do that whatever. I'm okay with that,
but you know, and then it should be back to hey, man,
see you guys in U in August. Let's get after,
you know, end of July, it's get after for a
month period and we open up September.

Speaker 8 (01:48:18):
You know what I mean, Like you know, you know
there's another recruiting period.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
The sure, sure, absolutely, So it's.

Speaker 8 (01:48:29):
You're right, it's all tied up in the just bs though.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Yeah, my last my last crum because you know, people
brought up a couple of six Ers comments in here,
Eddie Eddie has to bring them up. So I'll bring
up the sixers and just being a sixers because it's been.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
The two games, two losses. You know, I'm trying my
best over here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
To raise them, right, okay, and you know it's hard
when you're leaving two games and after this one is like,
well they always lose when we come, Like I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
The six anymore so that's not that's not how it works.
And then I got to go and make them lies.
Like I told him, you know, did you see VJ
give you the thumbs up? He's you seal them? And
he goes he did, And I said, yeah, you saw
him right, he give you a thumbs up? J did.
He goes, oh yeah, my god he did. He say,
oh my god, but you know he was all fired
off bout BJ give him the thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Now, so you know there's Wayne. I'm able to help
you here, okay, but you gonna need to help yourself
and semi CROs So what you're saying is you and
cast you bad luck?

Speaker 7 (01:49:25):
Is that is that we're getting that. We'll put the
sisters you need, you need, you need to catch the win.
That's all we'll put you at. Got to do scout
out scout out when they play a crappy team.

Speaker 8 (01:49:34):
I picked the Hawks, well, he had the Hawks that
the other night was the Raptors.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
No, yeah, no know was Raptors.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yeah. I mean I'm trying here. I got the Wizards
coming up. I got the Winards come up January. This
one was picked a while ago, preseason. But I got
the Warriors coming up down the road and like Janu
Warriors are wizards a wizards.

Speaker 7 (01:49:51):
Sorry, well I was gonna say wizards. That's that should
be a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Yeah, but tonight we were cheering like we thought it
was over. You know, MAXI, it's a three. You know,
we go up, we go up to. All we gotta
do is make it one out of two, and we
feel like it's a rat and he misses both of them.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
So yeah, yeah, and be looks like ship.

Speaker 7 (01:50:14):
So he does look like ship.

Speaker 8 (01:50:16):
I agree, he looks like ship.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
So you know, it's embarrassing. I mean, it's just he
looks lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
He just.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
Lazy. I mean, doesn't doesn't you know box out. It's
just it's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
It's and PG looks better than him. That's not saying
a lot, but he does. Like Live, he looks like
he can still play now just being on the court enough. Right,
Like Live, it looks.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Like you can make a jumper, you know, make a
fucking shot. What'd you get or the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
One he got?

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
I mean the one line he got, like going to
the bucket, he got raped. I mean absolutely, it was
down on our end and it was a muggy, like
a muggy appen in front of him, Like, that's a
maxim money guy. I don't give a ship, right, just
I watched guys get last, Like that's a maximateey guy
going to the walking hard right, which is like what
you ask guys to do, like got into the body
on contact right and nothing, And I'm like, you know, Max,

(01:51:09):
he had a couple of it. Two that dow at
that end where you know fish in the NBA is
terrible all wrapping up, so you know, it's terrible, terrible
both ways, but just some at the end of the
game for sure, some at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
But yeah, they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
They are what they are, right, they're they're young and
the spots you wanted to be young at Max. He's
continuing to grow as a ployer, which is exciting. And
you know, BJ got got a light run the night
as he should with uh the calf strange. So my
only issue at night was not enough Andre Drummond And
to say that out loud is actually crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
But I've just had an awesome year this year. He's
been good, been really good. I watched a lot of games.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
He's been good, even bad on something too.

Speaker 8 (01:51:52):
I think he.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Was he was on the on the list possible three
of them.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
It was him beat in VJ were questionable once.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
So whatever, maybe it was a little sore, I guess,
but I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Yeah, yeah, I can deal with that, you know. And
he has a big block lost my mind.

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
How good he is at blocking shots. But then he
can't rebound, Like can we teach in the box out
or something. Dude can't rebound. It's weird, dude, like many
many offensive rebounds and Bed's never been back then beat
and Be's never been a really like good rebounder. He's
he relied on the store side, yeah, and athleticism.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
But now that the legs aren't there right as you
can say by watching the game, you know, the ability
to they get up off the floor enough isn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
That's where he can't rebound.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
That's where we're like his time out, there's four rebounds
that can't happen, like like you're not you're not giving
me enough for four boards?

Speaker 8 (01:52:56):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
But I like everything else, like I like PG. I
said that this year when he was on the court,
I said, I thought he looked he played right. Say
it again this year about it. If he plays, he's
good I'm not worried about it, but in bed Embid's
like I'm at the point now where somebody asked me
about my son, like I'm over it, Like it could go,
he could go or get healthy and something changed, which

(01:53:17):
is not.

Speaker 7 (01:53:17):
He ain't never getting healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
I'm not going He's good.

Speaker 7 (01:53:24):
Ye're going to struggle up and down the court for
the next couple of years.

Speaker 5 (01:53:28):
Yeah, we missed a window when we wanted to. You know,
if they listen to us, we would have got something.
I don't know who we would have danced with or
what it would have been.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
We would have pulled the plug. Yeah, yeah, I mean listens. Yeah,
nothing if somebody wants him for a two month strench
and in a playoff front, yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
Andre was on a wheelchair two days ago and he
played today. You're right, You're right he was. He was
on a wheelchair, get wheeled up into the locker room.
And then I started that it was like game the game.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
I'm like, wait what, Yeah, so these listen, this is
back to the to the to the AI days, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:54:04):
So I'm not gonna, you know, compare Maxie to an
all time great you know, I mean Maxie is fantastic,
but this is his.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
Team, and you know, you build around him.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
So this is, you know, let's hope, you know, we
can get to you know, maybe more than one final,
and maybe we can win one. But this is, you know,
it's it's clearly, clearly his team, so let's build around it.
I think somebody you know said the other day, let's.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
Trade him because because we don't want to hurt his feelings.
Like that was the dumbest thing I ever saw online.
I think Tom. I think Tom Blew with gasket driving.
I just kept driving.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
You know, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:54:45):
Fingernails, old painted nails, right. I mean, I like the game,
but I feel like VJ and I think J, You're.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Gonna have enough guards you can shoot the three.

Speaker 7 (01:54:57):
And it's like, so, you know, I mean, I don't disagree.
I just I'm I feel like, isn't crimes better than them?

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Two? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
But Grimes is on the last year of his deal
and and he wonted twenty million dollars a year this year,
so I don't know how that's going to work out.
So but but long story short, you got four young guards.
You build around guards. In this league, it's a guard
driven league now more than ever. So that's why this
season has some excitement to it. If you just removed

(01:55:24):
you well is because you you're doing you're having the
best of both worlds right where you still have an
opportunity to compete well, but you're also like rebuilding in
the same at the same moment, and you're getting younger
at the same time that you're competing serious. This teams
just says, year, if PG is just healthy forgetting me
if he if you get enough out of PG, they're good. Man.

(01:55:45):
That's the wing defender. You need the size out there.
But he got a play enough right to get like,
you know, going. He looked good before the ankle sprain, right, Like,
he started to look good in the ankle sprain and
he missed the week and he back for two games.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Right, it's just dude, you need to play, which probably
will never happen.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Either, but yeah, at least he at least he looks
like himself though athletically, Yeah, yeah, that's that. That was
my observation from tonight is like he still looks like yeah, yeah,
the athlete athleticisms there, all that stuff never went anywhere.
It's just can you stay on the court Bro like that,

(01:56:23):
that's yeah, and it might never be right. So I'm
not gonna out of hope that thirty four year olds
get healthier. It doesn't happen. But they're young, and they're
missing uber a ton right now. Luke's right, and that's
the one big one they're missing. And I like Trended
Wafford too, because he's just to do everything type of guy.
But like Nick said the other day in his presser,

(01:56:45):
I'll leave it here, He's like, I would just like
to not get one guy back and have two more
guys go out, Like I would like to just have
things trend where we can start all playing together and
get our rotations right. It'd be nice, Yeah, because if
you have Ubery, if you have Kelly and PG on
your wings, I think your wing defenders are really good.

(01:57:05):
They have you know, they're they're physical, they're lathy enough.
I'm not telling you there like that, you know, first
team all defensive guys. I'm just saying that it would
be It's a lot better than some of the stuff
you have to run out there right now to get
length on your perimeter.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Because you see it, you see it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:21):
No, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
So there's a sixer stalk for tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
But yeah, just tired of going to games and losing
and getting ben over while you're there too, because like
you know, anything you buy.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
You two chicken finger platters, I think with sixty two hours.

Speaker 12 (01:57:36):
Yeah anything, just so, Yeah, were sitting for hours. I'm
saying fresh five.

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
Starts on pay for all the Maxi money deals.

Speaker 7 (01:57:50):
It's crazy, Tommy, it's crazy. I went, I went to
the circus scheme.

Speaker 4 (01:57:56):
Chicken figures, got to come with a happy ending. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 8 (01:57:59):
We were looking and the shooting your showers aren't even
free refrolls anymore? Like what were you?

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
I don't even waste my time for the souvenir anymore.
Just give me, give me, give me a sow that
closes back.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
I'll give me. Give me here she was, you know
what I mean. I'm we're not doing that.

Speaker 10 (01:58:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
Yeah, it's too much ship.

Speaker 8 (01:58:15):
To carry, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
I got to carry it out to the abigade to
bring it home.

Speaker 12 (01:58:19):
Yeah, you know I don't end up with Yeah, I've
been twelve cups.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
Yeah, it's been twelve ninety nine, fifteen ninety nine for
the goddamn souvenir cup. Now I'm obligated to bring that
with me in freaking thirty thirty two degree weather walking
in the car. Wow, I need the cup in my
hand after after after a loss, after another loss.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Really need to bring that cup home. Picture of a
beat on it probably Yeah, love Maxie or be Maxie tonight.
After two free throws missed, you know what I mean?
Picture a huge who's three? But then two two free throws?

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
Another crumb too? Is Kirby smart? I mean, clean it
up down there, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
Another another speeding by another guy, and fifty an offensive
linean one hundred and fifty eluding police. Uh, you know
he got kicked off, and then you know, and then
there was like two more incidentss Besides, obviously we know
about ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
You know, you're not happen to the lineman, but you
ain't eluding nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:59:18):
Yeah, we knew about ninety eight, you know what happened
down there. But there was like three other things that
I read, right, you know, as I was oh yeah, yeah,
as I was reading that. Yeah, they they fly all
over the place, you know. Yeah, Like two guys were
going one hundred in the school zone.

Speaker 4 (01:59:34):
It was crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:59:35):
Yeah, in cars that were given to them.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
Yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 7 (01:59:41):
Yeah, yeah, well we all got money now, so.

Speaker 8 (01:59:47):
For sure, yeah, sure, sure makes you think different about
field bad for the kids anymore? Like during these coaching
tea just kidding, well no, because in the portal, Ryan
Williams from Alabama's already knows.

Speaker 7 (02:00:03):
You, dude.

Speaker 6 (02:00:04):
It used to be Greg. You know, Greg used to
be like, okay, you know their kids. I'm not going
to trash the kids. I'll track. Now they're all getting paid.
I'll trash the kid now. Bully in for trashing the kid.

Speaker 5 (02:00:16):
Yeah, it's totally become uh you know, quasi not quasi,
it's professor professionals. Once you get paid, you're a professional.
So you know, you you know, he makes a use
mistake is fine, but you know when you're you know,
And can we.

Speaker 7 (02:00:31):
Get Bandy in the playoff? That's all I want. I
want Vanny in the playoffs. Diego Pavia. I love Diego Pavia.

Speaker 6 (02:00:38):
Dude's been around for a fucking ever. He's played for
like eleven years. He's awesome.

Speaker 7 (02:00:44):
He's the prototypical could never play on Sunday, but is
awesome in college.

Speaker 8 (02:00:50):
Apparently his brother his brother.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
Yeah, he's going down the Jackson Mahomes route. This is
like his fourth is like a fourth episode. So he's.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
Mom, Mom's not far from his mom was grinding, fucking grinding,
goddamn poles. Yeah, stadium, So yeah, mom and brother are
just looking for their Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:01:14):
Yeah, yeah they're fifteen minutes absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Brother. Yeah, Hey, we know he's gonna stink on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (02:01:23):
Get it in.

Speaker 8 (02:01:24):
Gotta get it in now, get it acause. Yeah, this
is the most money you're gonna make playing football. Yeah.
I saw that. He saw that come across, and I'm like,
is this real life?

Speaker 7 (02:01:37):
He's awesome.

Speaker 8 (02:01:39):
They got to get in, get him in.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
I just don't see anyway around.

Speaker 8 (02:01:42):
I'm with you, I don't know how to get in. Yeah,
I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
I want him in.

Speaker 8 (02:01:49):
Auburn had to have to upset, And the funny thing is,
I think Leene was waiting for that too. I think
part of the delay was was trying to figure out
the timing because because either well, either oh Miss is
in the SEC Championship, if if Auburn loses or a

(02:02:10):
burn wins.

Speaker 4 (02:02:10):
Love that stat brother appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
We know.

Speaker 4 (02:02:13):
It was a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:02:14):
And then the other flip side is he might have
gone to Alabama if they lost and the boor got
at true.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
Yeah, I'm sure they're waiting to cut his head off too.

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
He had options, he sure did. And again I'm not again,
I'm not back to Lane. I'm not going.

Speaker 6 (02:02:31):
And Florida's hiring the dude from Tulane, right, yeah, and
Tulaine is probably gonna make the playoffs.

Speaker 8 (02:02:37):
Yeah, the SEC or the season joke?

Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
Really I think?

Speaker 8 (02:02:46):
Yeah, there the top five.

Speaker 4 (02:02:48):
I brought him up.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
Well, yeah, I brought him up, brother, like they they
lost their coach.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Yeah, they got to go through it like it's bullshit
the way it's built it and it didn't just It
isn't just football is from across the board, how they operate,
how things are now. You fucking made a deal with
the goddamn devil, both sides. Both sides may deal with
the devil because everything's fucked Like the normal kid who

(02:03:13):
you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:03:13):
All fucked it's all fucked up. It's all fucked up,
and it's sad.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
It's sad what it is because you know your normal
you know division on baseball, party could go like get
a little bit maybe.

Speaker 4 (02:03:22):
Of a of a not large school like power for
it but but large enough to satisfy them.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
We'll never get that anymore. And that's it, And that's
the most. That's an all levels, that's football, baseball, basketball,
you know, you name it. You know some more than
others are fucked.

Speaker 8 (02:03:37):
But yeah, I just I just wish they would just
call it what it is. Stop calling it an IL,
just call it pay for play.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
Yeah, that's what it is. Because these schools got their
own to give out.

Speaker 8 (02:03:48):
I mean, when when you're when you have rosters that
are twenty five thirty million.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
Well it's not an IL, it's not. All they did
is do exactly what they did for years and they
got covered up. They just said, oh we got a
great system.

Speaker 8 (02:04:05):
Here was out of it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
That's all they did. Everybody knew how to do it.

Speaker 8 (02:04:08):
But it wasn't that much. It wasn't that much.

Speaker 1 (02:04:12):
The fuck it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
Yeah, I don't don't you want to talk about if
you want to talk about big programs like.

Speaker 8 (02:04:17):
I don't think it was twenty five to thirty million.
I don't think every player was getting paid. No, it
was a K two K.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
Yeah, it was hide money. You had to hide it,
so it was they had to hide it. But My
point is they knew how to do it. Sure, they
knew how to like, hey, this is they knew the
whole setup.

Speaker 8 (02:04:35):
At least they're in gambling. Seeing you knew who was
getting money, so you knew who to bet on.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Now you know it was it was more stuff that
was non traceable. It was hey, by your parents' house.

Speaker 13 (02:04:43):
Yeah yeah, foot track might have been obviously fictional in
you know, in Hollywood's terms, but that was real ship.

Speaker 8 (02:04:56):
It was real.

Speaker 5 (02:04:58):
That was real ship, buddy. Yeah, Reggie Bush got stripped
of his heisman because his family of house.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
Yeah I should never been stripped of that either, but
that's what it is nowadays.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
But again, but they may both made deals with the
of course, and you know, loyalty, the work loyal.

Speaker 4 (02:05:26):
You can work your ass off, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:05:28):
And you know there are other people will say, you know,
shut up and be better, a right, but that's not
you know, that does not always the case. You know,
like you work too, you know you're there as a
freshman and sophomore. You work your asshole, You're ready to
take over you know the QB one job as a
junior and then and some asshole brings in a fucking
guy in the portal, you know what I mean. It's like, fuck, dude,
you know, I just worked all off season. Man, I

(02:05:49):
worked waited two years for my term. Man, now you're
gonna bring a guy in.

Speaker 4 (02:05:55):
He's a sexy man.

Speaker 6 (02:05:59):
Was was playing well to talk to you, and then
got hurt and then Syracuse maybe the worst team in
college football, but that's that was our quarterback though he
was he was supposed to be. He was the backup
for like the last two years. Nor Dame Steve Angeli
and then nor Dame fucking brought the dune in from
Duke right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Yeah, but like again, he brings the loyalty is the
key word, and then it brings no continuity, inconsistency in
a sport.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
Where you know so much of that matters. Uh, yeah,
I just don't.

Speaker 8 (02:06:32):
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
I think there's better ways to do it. But I
think then somebody in the room being smart enough, and
they're just not. And a lot of these guys that are,
you know, live their lives behind the scenes. They don't
have the real feel for life, they don't have that.
It's really gonna effect how do you build a team?

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
And I think back to lane quickly. Again, just making
a point that Alice she was probably have more five
star recruits that stay than having to go.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
Then old miss will probably get naturally because it's l
s U and he's there now.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
So that takes you away from having used the portal
for everything. You use a portal for holes. And I
think when you're thinking about that as from a coach perspective, like, man,
it's not as much wear and tear of every year,
I gotta go hop in the portal and and and
then build a whole like a whole new thing up again, right,
and chemistry and develop a guy from a freshman year

(02:07:30):
to his senior year. And actually, because guys will stay
at LSU, they're more likely to get guys through staying
at those schools the guys you want.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
To stay, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:07:41):
Yeah, And if you're talking about Baton Rouge or Oxford Mississippi,
I mean you're gonna choose Baton Rouge all day.

Speaker 4 (02:07:46):
If you're a young kid, yea life and you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
Stuff to do and all you walk into book stadiums,
it's pretty pretty clear. Like I said, the Greg be happy,
definitely be happy. Greg, be happy. You're gonna get a guy.
Then there's not a coach football because I told you
happy Valley will we'll recruit itself.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
That one hundred thousand people recruit itself.

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
When when when an athlete walks in there and goes
holy ship, like even guys from Texas who play around
forty fifty thousand stadiums. Right, well, we'll walk into that
and and fuel a certain type of way. Oh yeah,
figures better.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
That's what she said, So.

Speaker 4 (02:08:29):
Muse it.

Speaker 7 (02:08:31):
After midnight.

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
That was was way after midnight. We were we were
thirty minutes with the for one and a half crumbs.
I think, yeah, yeah too, Yeah, that's what we do.

Speaker 1 (02:08:47):
Yeah, you can't long fucking data, mar it's gonna suck. Yeah,
we'll strap in. Get ready all right? Uh? Six or scared?
So they play a bunch this week. I feel like
I thought this week they were kind of limited.

Speaker 8 (02:09:04):
They were off.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
I don't know, maybe it's next week. Then it's next
week they get like Knicks and everybody not next Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:09:12):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
A big deal. It's working a way out.

Speaker 8 (02:09:20):
They play the Lakers on the seventh, and then they're
off for about a week and then they got Indiana
off day, Atlanta and now this is going two games
eleven day stretch at the end of the week, so
maybe they get some rest.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
Wait, who do they play? Who they play next? December first?
Who they play next? They play Lakers on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (02:09:38):
The Lakers fourteen and four without the fraud. Love it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:42):
He he's back now. But awesome reason the boys were
playing good, Luca, They're playing great, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:09:47):
They were.

Speaker 8 (02:09:50):
Next. They got yeah, Washington on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
Oh yeah, Washington Tuesday.

Speaker 8 (02:09:56):
Washington Tuesday, Golden State Thursday, back to back in Milwaukee Friday.
There's your you got check. That might be a whale
play Willie.

Speaker 7 (02:10:04):
They got to win the first one, but yeah, it
could be yeah, because they.

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
They played the back to back against Milwaukee the last
time and they beat him, or that might have been
game one of it, because then they might have came home.

Speaker 8 (02:10:20):
Well there they're home versus Golden State and Friday.

Speaker 4 (02:10:25):
You definitely had the long week, the opposite of a
slow week. Yeah, Thursday, Friday.

Speaker 8 (02:10:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:10:33):
Well, someone put in in the Wednesday group chat that
they were getting some rests, and then I looked at
the dates.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
I'm like, well, if you're going, like if you go
in the ESPN one, it pops up the wrong spot
in December and you have to like work your way
back up because I said, wait, they don't play like
when I first looked at it earlier today, I was like,
wait what.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
And then I saw that, Yeah, they got a bake,
they got a big stretch. But whatever. Good talk boys,
great show. Great disagree.

Speaker 2 (02:10:59):
See it was you next Sunday, and we'll really preview
what's coming on Monday. Yeah, and we'll have a better
feel because you know, you get through another week of Sunday,
you even get a better feel of what the league
is and and everything, and you'll see where what this
game really means because it's probably gonna mean a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:11:15):
Green Bay goes beat Chicago.

Speaker 2 (02:11:17):
Things are wide open again, baby, I mean you're a
Green Bay away from Chicago from from things really open
it back up where you're a game out. Essentially your
game out is Rams and Rams and Packers both ahead
of you. You have the head to head. So you know,
we really just went away, went away. So but we'll

(02:11:38):
talk about it. We love y'all, appreciate you. Go fly
guys by the way, Go Flyers ten nine Amy, and
we'll talk peoples again next time. Oh, and we're the
kid' I gonna.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Give it too much credit because they're playing well. It's
gonna keep moving.

Speaker 8 (02:12:00):
Dent Buried pastor Lington, Buria fact

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