Birds Closing In on NFC East Title_ Magic Number 1! Eagles vs Commanders Week 16 Game Preview

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at the end uh in our in our football discussion
and give our players a game score predictions for this
Saturday day's game, Saturday game between the Commanders and the Eagles,
And of course our main topic at hand is the Eagles.
Commanders magic number is number one. All we gotta do

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is win, Baby, the Great out Davis. We just beat them.
We just beat the Raiders. The Great out Davis just win, baby.
But we are here winding down Week sixteen of the
NFL season. Crazy that the season is already almost over here, right,
I mean we we're talking fantasy in the back. We're
in around two of fantasy matchups, right, We got two
weeks left to fantasy, and then and then the wonderful

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playoffs begin and we'll be there.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
As crazy as this season has been for some and
as as high as expectations as some of some of
this fan base has had, we are there and we
are most likely going in is NFC East champions. I
don't even say most likely we are going in his
NFC East champions It's just a matter of when we
get that done. Which ties in our poll question. The

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Eagles will officially end a twenty year drought and become
the first repeat NFC East Champions since two thousand and
four this Sunday by clinching division this Sunday. Agree or disagree,
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there as well, join us share it coming in. I agree,
this is this is a lay up tonight. I agree. Uh,
they're not losing this game. They're not losing this game.
I know, you know. There's a lot of discourse around
it was just the Raiders, But that team was everything
that we wanted to see, or at least I wanted
to see from this football team in terms of a response. Right,

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you got your you got your ass handed to you
a couple of times, you got embarrassed a couple of times,
but you turned around and you did what you had
to do against an inferior opponent. You didn't let them
hang around. You didn't let them think that they were
in that game. Ever. You first grab it a game
eight minute, I'm in a drive here, hold my beer.
You're in our house. Right, So I'll make it quick.

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I'll make it simple. Agree to a poll. They win
this game on Sunday and they cuinch it or Saturday,
they cuinch it on their own. No help needed. We
don't need a Dallas loss. We don't need this. They're
gonna take care of business their own. What do you
guys say?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
What's up Tommy, Tommy, welcome back in me, tom Muta,
Yeah good, all right, Yeah, no, I absolutely have to
agree to this poll. You're you're playing another team who
is not quite as bad as the Raiders, but pretty

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much in that same ilk. We're gonna be playing Marcus Mariota,
who is better than Kenny two gloves, but again as
a backup quarterback, they're dealing with a bunch of injuries.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
The one thing is like you're on the road in Washington,
and we always play Washington, always plays as tough. It's
always a weird game whenever we go down there. So
I mean, maybe it won't be as easy as this
past weekend, but I remember, like talking last week where
the things we looked for was like being able to
sustain drives and being able to just handle your opponents.
Right now, looking back at this, like your first drive

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come out the gate was thirteen plays, sixty seven yards touchdown.
Next drive seven plays, fifty nine yards, kick the field
goal one, three and out. Fine, After the three and
out though, come back eleven play drives, seventy yards touchdown,
and a half ten plays seventy three yards touchdown. Then
you know you had your your aj Brown like deep

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ball touchdown, which is like only five plays. But I
think the biggest thing, the biggest takeaway that I had
from that game was that your second team offense put
up more yards in their one drive than the entire
Raiders offense did the entire game. So that's a massive
game out of the defense. Again, out of an inferior opponent.
But like they have saw a couple of playmakers over there.

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Genie's said he's gonna be a solid back. Hours has
been one of the best tight ends in the league. Yeah,
I mean, like, look, you handle your business, right. What
you're going to come down to is just handling your
business again this week and then not really having to
worry about what happens the next two weeks. So absolutely
agree with Paul. We're gonna handle business.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Tommy's still mute to Thanks Greg, I appreciate you. Yeah,
people really so wired about Washington? Are you wired about Washington?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Sound like by Greg's opening monologue that you know, what,
do you think it's a tougher game?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Is that what you're saying? People think it's.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
A tougher game than the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, I mean I think Marcus Mariota, because of being
a veteran, provides a lot more of a challenge.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
No, no, no, I I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I just the commanders stink so like, you know, are
we really even having this conversation. I don't care the
national rival. I don't care about any of it. They
were out there starting quarterbacks, their franchise quarterback. They were
out there there leading target guy, which is zach Ertz.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Like, come on.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
They still have a competitive defense, sure, but this is
a game you should go in and you should whoop
somebody's ass again.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
And I don't put much stock into the Raiders. It's
the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
They sink, but you still got to go out and
dominate them, right, You still got to go out and
get first down.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
You still got to go out and execute plates.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So regardless of who you play, you still got to
go play good football to win. But win bit like
you don't win big by accident. So you know, again,
not everybody bow to Raiders out this year, you know
what I mean? And grand different quarterback. I get all
those things, but I sort of lead the Raiders where
they're at. Hey, you went and beat up an inferior
team like you're supposed to do.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
We win for that all year, So we got it.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So now you hope they got some things going and
they're moving into a better direction, and this ends Saturday.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
So I agree to. I'm not worry about Washington. Mar
Mariota is a veteran. I get it.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
But if we can't go and beat Marcus Mariota, then
we got problems. Can't go beat we can't go beat
the Commanders. I don't care where we play, playing in
Brazil for all I care.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's a game you gotta go get. Yeah, you want
to tell me laying like in the last one, if
it doesn't matter, okay, but you gotta go start playing
good football in this last this last four game stretch.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Took care of business Sunday. Let's go take care of
business Saturday.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
And then you got a big monster one coming up
against Buffalo, And if you can somehow get that game too, right,
if you can somehow get that game, that's we're on
a little bit of a role going into the playoffs
and maybe things change around here a little bit.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
But yeah, I agree, twenty.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Years absolutely, absolutely, that is crazy. That it's crazy that
that it's been that long since a repeat.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I think I think we were the actual last repeat.
And then the three oh four season, I think it.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Was you went, Yeah, you went four straight from two
thousand to two thousand and three, I think, well, the
actual seasons, even though three finished fourth, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah, and nobody could repeat it after that. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
But fitting that it's us right with the dumpster fires
that have circulated this division over the years, outside of
a couple you know, outside of a couple uh, you know,
giants titles.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, outside a couple of giants.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Sid though it's been a ship division, yea, honest, it's
been dominated, but it's been dominated by the Philadelphi Eagles,
if there were.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
The majority of the last two.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Decades, this division has been dominated by the Philadelphia Eagles.
And the reason you can say it now is because
of the two rings before you can make the case
when we had none or had one, Hey, giants have two,
you know in that stretch, Well, we even that out.
And we've been more title games than they have been,
more Super Bowls than they have, have more division crowns

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than they have.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
So I think the my favorite thing about this weekend
is the fact that I don't have to hear about
Dallas potentially running the table anymore and potentially like coming
in and taking winning the division. Like the fact that
you guys lost to Minnesota at home is a team
that the Eagles absolutely demolished in Minnesota, Like you lose

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to them, like I've been so sick of like the
national media being like, oh, Dallas canna make a run here? No,
they can't. Their defense is awful, right, And the dude
who has been so good for them and George Pickens
has just been a no show the last like three
two weeks, very very happy and to listen to that
and hope, like again, we're gonna take care of business

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so that you can't even give them the one percent
chance that they still have of making like the playoffs,
it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Love it, Yeah, and that and that's I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I mean, you want to see some get more consistency
because your skeptical.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
But you know, the season has sort of been like
this in our in our waves, you know, you will
win four or five in a row, lose two, like
rattle rattle off another four and then lose two. This
time they lost three, w got one. So you sope
you can rattle off another four or five, six, seven, uh,
and just get hot down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
But I think you need to get right game.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
To be able to get to the next game. If
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
You need to need to feel goods to be able
to build off of that and move in a good
direction moving forward. The last thing you need needed was
a twenty one to twenty game first the Raiders, and
even though you got to win now, you gotta try
to carry that into another game when you're not really
going in an upward direction.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Absolutely, go ahead, right, No, I was gonna say, like
we were talking backstage before we started about how like
the differences between this year and twenty twenty three, where
like in the same situation where you played a bad
team that was like Arizona Cardinals came on in and
they stole a game from me when they had no
business doing that. Right, this isn't that team, because a

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bad team comes on in across the country playing an
early game in cold weather, and you handled your business
so like you know, as far let him up.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
The hook exactly, they don't let him up the hawk,
or we thought, you know what I mean, go to
Arizona the right going on Aona.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's such a that's such a great right.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
You're right because because you're right, you're spot on, and
everybody everybody wondered what the difference was, and we talked
about it on here numerous times.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Defense isn't comparable with twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
They weren't going to allow this to happen, and they
proved that on Sunday, or they didn't allow it to
happen regards what the offense did. They said, we're not
gonna allow We're not gonna allow this to happen.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
And that's how good they are.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, we can wait three nothing, we can win two
nothing because we're not giving up anything.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
We're that good and not as good as they played
last week, because that's nobody's doing that, right, but they're
still damn good.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
But it's the same type of intense, you know, pressure
and play they had against the Chargers as well. Right,
I mean you sacked Justin Herbert seven times six seven times,
so six. Yeah, I'm so bad. Uh. I don't even
know what it means, but I just know.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
That it doesn't mean it's provocative. Right, But yeah, like, look,
you're you still have an outside chance to the two seed, right.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, yes, right, I was gonna go there depending on
how your ending happens because of the way the schedule works. Out,
go right, all four in a row to end the
year here, and you're look at the two seeds where
you don't have to see not that anyone's scared of
the Rams, but you don't de see the Rams chill
the title game. Yeah, as opposed to you know, in

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the second round.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, no for sure, but yeah. Like I was talking
one of my buddies as a Bears fan, and he's like, yeah, dude,
we could lose out and like miss the playoffs. I'm like,
and I looked at their schedule, I'm like, yeah, because
they play they play the Packers this week, who again,
team that's really banged up, right, I wouldn't be afraid
of the Packers right now. Their defense is going to
take a massive hit because person the Parsons is done
for the year.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Then they play the Niners and then they play the Lions.
Who if the Lions went out, right, they have a
chance to win that division. Right, They're gonna they're all
playing each other. They're gonna beat each other up, right,
So if they all beat each other up in like
whatever situation the Eagles went out, you can sneak into
that two seed right, like, and and for the fact
that we were talking two weeks ago about how this

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bow badness team is that they might miss the playoffs
or maybe not us per se, but like national media like,
you're gonna you're gonna be the three seed, guaranteed, you
can probably be the two seeds. Yeah, right, And the
people are like, all right, here's the Eagles. They won
four straight and realistically, I think the Eagles would be
favored against everybody but the Rams, regardless of wherever they
end up playing.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Agreed, agree, because they've been favored against all them already
this year. Right, you know when you talk about the Bears,
the Packers, right, whoever ends up in that potential second
round matchup, Ah, they they've already been favored around them.
So yeah, absolutely, yeah. And again Vegas doesn't Vegas doesn't
look at emotion. Vegas doesn't look at what the team's doing.

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They just look at the you know, the stats and
and and what what the teams really are versus how
they've been playing, right, which is why you're still eleven
and a half point favorite against against the Raiders when
most people are like, how are they even favored against anybody?
Coum about off of three in a row.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Absolutely, again, Hey, Vegas knows, Vegas does know.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Vegas knows a lot. Vegas is a problem. We're not
talking about the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
I think that's the old Philly way.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah, it's the old Philly way.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And it's now you're you're count on the cowboys to
take care of business too in that scenario, which is
not the Cowboy way. So we can talk Philly way,
Bell and I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's not
the Cowboy way. So we can lose to a row
to go win to a row, maybe I find out

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highly unlikely that they that, like, not that we can
lose do in a row, because yeah, we already did
so that that they're gonna go win to in a
row now after the way they've looked, don't.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
And to be honest, though, it doesn't even matter what
they do. All we had to do is win one.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Like the Dallas. The season can be over at eight
o'clock on Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it has no barans on on on what happens
because it doesn't matter. We hold we control everything, which
is what we've always wanted, right, which is the way
we want it. In the end, we're gonna, like you said,
we're gonna come in here a year after going to
the Super Bowl, going through your ups and downs. So
you're still gonna win the NFC East. But you're not

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winning like like we're playing in in the NFC South,
or you're winning with a with a nine and eight
record or a nine and seven record, you know what
I mean. You're winning with a double digit win record
a year after Super Bowl, Like that's just still a
really really good year.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, you're gonna double the director. You have a chance
to go twelve and five after the misery that was
the middle of our season, You're probably gonna end up.
I don't I don't wanna say probably, Like you're going
up to the Buffalo next week. It's gonna be a very
tough game, but like they're beatable. I mean they were
down twenty one twenty one nothing to the pass this
past weekend before they decide to turn it on. So

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and our defense, right of course. Yeah, Look, I'm not
afraid of anybody this year. I'm not afraid of single team.
And even like the Rams, who would probably be the
only team that'd be favored over us in the entire league,
I think like were Siriganni's four to zero against Sean
McVay and they've they've won nine of their last ten

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against the Rams, So like not for you nothing to
we own the Rams. You already beat them this year,
like beat them twice last year. I don't know how
much of that is mental, but can't be good, like,
oh shit, we gotta play these guys again, damn Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
And you're right right, there's something about that McVeigh Shanahan
tree that just in big time games comes up small. Now,
mcfay did win a Super Bowl, right, so you got
to give him that credit, but he has like, like
you just mentioned, we have beaten him the last what
four times?

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Four times, last four times, and three of.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Them within we're within six months of a time. Ye,
when you go back to the the beginning of the
year this year, then the end of year last year,
we played them late this season, we played him to playoffs,
and then we played him again what week three, week four?
You know something like that, right, So you played the
same team that close together that many times, you'd think
you'd throw in a loss somewhere, and we were able

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to find ways to win even being down big, especially this.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Year, yep, yep. And then uh, you know, we'll see
what happens with them because DeVante Adams has.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Avante Adams is brought most likely out.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
And Aca has been banged up a little bit. You know,
they're their backs are good, they have too.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
But yeah, then incorporating play corn a little bit more
has been a breath of fresh air for them.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah. Again, they're good and going there versus them coming
here is different too, but again not overly worried about them,
because we we blew in in there last year there.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
So yeah, it's not like a and yeah, they're home,
but it's not like a true home field advantage, right,
It's not like it's not like playing in Green and
Lambeaux or even Soldier Field where you're dealing with elements.
It's inside mostly legals.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, I mean you probably have like a maybe a
sixty to forty rams split, but it'd be pretty close.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, the NFL would love it come down to Eagles
Cowboys week eighteen.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
I just don't believe it's going to get there.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, because they got to go win games too, like like, yeah,
we got to lose and they have to win. It's
not like we're head that we're even right now. Yeah,
you know, like they gotta they gotta catch it up
to deal. So don't see. I don't see how they
rig it to that though, you know what I mean.
I could see how they could rig it in a
way if it was like a one game separation, but

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it's two, and I just don't see how they do
that within within two weeks unless they're winning in two
and we're losing two and that's it's for a lot
that's all from.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Them, Yeah, yeah, because there they have their own issues
right now, Yeah, anytime issues and defense.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
You're right, we do. We do travel there, well, we
travel everywhere.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, but.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Even there, look at the way that the NFL scheduled
their the schedule this year, right, they have a bunch
of teams playing like divisional games to two teams like
two of the last three weeks, and look at how
that burned them this year. Like oh, they're thinking, oh,
Washington's gonna be really good. And then the Eagles going
for the division and Washington has three wins and Eagles
are just be like all right, you know, Eagles like

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essentially clinched the division Week sixteen. Their last two games
don't matter, per se. That's not what the NFL wanted, No,
for sure, like that, that's why they said this stuff up,
which is like when you're looking at the schedule earlier,
like well, why do we gotta play these teams like
two out of last three weeks of the year like that,
there's just a weird scheduling court And the same thing
with the Giants earlier in the year, like you played
them two out of three weeks.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, so, and and you're right, they were hoping the
scenario that's going on in the NFC North would have
triculated over here to the NFC East to where everyone's
going to play each other at the end of the
year and it all means something. Well, thankfully for our sake,
you know, it doesn't. And it's it's it's gonna be
it's gonna be done this week, Yes, sir, Terry, Terry,

(20:37):
Terry's officially back, right.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Terry's back. Yeah, that's one of my fancy guys. I
think he's been I think he's healthy. Think he's been practicing.
I know he's been. I know he's played the last
couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I know he's played.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yeah, No injury designation. He's been back the last three weeks.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
And today's Eagles injury report is pulling it up. Now, Uh,
do you not practices for Jaalen, Land and Fred and Lane? Uh?
Cameron Lattu is limited practice and then full practice for Barkley,
Zach Tank, Jalen and Cameron Williams. Everybody was a full participant.

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I'm sure a lot of those delanded in the Fred
the DMPs, I'm sure they're like Landon was cash slash
rest right, So not necessarily an injury. Fred has a
little bit of an ankle, but I think Lane's pretty close.
Not that I would play him this week. I would
love to. That's the other side of it, right, You
go out and you take care of business this week.
Lane does not have to play to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Yep. Same thing with I don't need.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Him to play against the Bills, even though most of
the starters probably will play that game, you know, the
game to take off his week eighteen. You still go
and try and win the Bills game because you're still
playing for seating. But at least we don't have to
put Lane out there. Right, That's the biggest thing is
is keeping Lane off the field to chill the playoffs,
and and and like you said, Jalen as well, Jalen

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Carter as well, Like we can keep him off. I've
been pleasantly surprised with the defensive line with Jalen Carter
out because in previous years he had we haven't been
really good with him, right, that's just how good he is.
But this year the emergence of of Maro Jomo bringing
BG back and moving BG inside more, and of course

(22:29):
obviously the addition to Jalen Phillips uh that that defensive
line has been awesome even without Jalen Carter.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, I mean, dude, BG had two sacks out of
the DT spot. Yeah yeah, Like that's pretty well pretty
And he never done that, like well every once in
a while he does, because he did it on the
on the Super Bowl rush where he he lined up
inside in U Super fifty two, But like, he was
never a guy who would move inside a whole lot
to be like an ever like a every once in
a while thing. But he did that a lot on

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Sunday at last couple of weeks. So like having that
depth there, especially with a veteran guy there who can
get off the jump a little bit, you know, just
showing that he can beat those slower inside guards love
to see it.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, and I think he I think he realizes too
that that in his older age he is a bit slower,
but that's where he's able to fill those snaps because
Jalen's hurt, you know, like he's obviously not gonna get
as many snaps on the outside when you look at
you know, uh Smith, Jalens Hunt, Jalen Phillips, the likes

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of those guys, but I you know, naturally we'd rather
give give him Snatch and ty Robinson at this point
in their careers. You know, you trust you trust BG
more than a rookie Ty Robinson. That's not a shot, right,
but it's just it's who do you trust more? Uh
And And Johnny Almos brings up a great name too.
Jordan Davis has been awesome. He has been Jordan Dave

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has been awesome this year and especially here down the stretch.
He has been awesome.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, man, I know I've picked Jordan Davis a couple
of times to being my player of the game. It's
worked out for the Dude's been a monster.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Thanks Johnny, Mary Chris's YouTube brother Happy New Year, Mary Christmas, Johnny, Uh, yeah,
Jordan's been a monster.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
But I think having like PG line up inside, you know,
when you get a fully healthy defensive line, you know
it can you can give guys a breather too, help.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
It definitely does. This makes you a little bit deeper.
And yeah, we know.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
That having a deep being deep up front on postseason time,
it can be beneficial, for sure.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
We've seen it.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, we definitely have. We've definitely felt it.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, being able to do those we don't do it
as much anymore, but like we used to do full
line changes at some point, seem like we just bring
an entire new defensive line. They'd be doing the same
exact thing.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
But that was a twenty eighteen super rowl. Yeah, right
when you had you had the you know, Fletcher Cox
and those guys in the front line, and then you
bring it Chris Long and and all those guys on
the second one line change.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, no nuts crazy Yeah again like good. It was
very good to see them come out and just handle
an opponent the way that they should. And you know
you're playing again a similar opponent this week, where just
go out and handle your business. That's all you have
to do, don't do anything crazy, because like the game

(25:30):
on Sunday, it was never it was never a doubt
that we were gonna win the game. Like because you
took the ball down the field, you scored a relatively
easy drive, you move the ball pretty well. Then you
only had one three and out, which like that's been
our achilles heel all year. So the fact that you know,
I don't know if they changed the game plan up
or whatever they ended up doing, because it looked a

(25:51):
little different. But again there's a lot of just similar
just hey, look we're better than you. Let's just go
win the ball game.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
You know what. I think it will mostly was right.
I just think it was compounding and adding on to
stuff that we had been doing the last few weeks, right,
because we did a lot more against the Raiders, We
did a lot more under center than we had the
previous weeks, and then you started seeing other layers to
different plays as well. I mean, we were great to
play action under center, which most teams are. That's when

(26:20):
teams go under centers, so you can, you know, involve
the play action a lot more. But I just I
think all of us has sat here over the last
few weeks and sat here and said, the offense looks different,
it looks better. We just weren't executing right. There was
good things that we were doing, even a Chargers game
you go back, we made drives, We sustained drives, we

(26:40):
just couldn't finish them. Yeah, and again that was based
off of just an absolute ugly game from Jalen Right.
We never all the turnovers and then penalties and stuff
that is has caused us to struggle all year reared
its ugly head in that game. But there was good
things happening, and I think we saw it all obviously
come together against an inferior team where you're you are

(27:03):
able to just absolutely physically dominate them. And then it
showed a little little bit different wrinkles and layers to
the offense that you don't see when you're struggling.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
You think you think Max Crosby is regretting his h
contract extension.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
No, because I think he's here in the offeason.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I saw.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
I saw a podcast clip with him like talking about
you know going, Yeah, he absolutely did. He's like, oh man,
it was great. There was a bunch of Phillies fans
or Philly fans down at the hotel, like flipping us
off man. The snow was cool, like looking around and
seeing all the people in the parkings. I took a
couple of pictures.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I'm just like, yeah, he's like I never do that,
but I took pictures, like he's like, this shows uh family, Hey,
look this is where gonna be next year.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Guys here go. Yeah is great.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, I'd be sick.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Talk me to that.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
He was a monster even with no but with no
help he was.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
It's crazy, but I.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Think it was. I think you said, and we put
the clip out right like you hold him to under
one sack or or under one and that, yeah, you're
you're gonna you're gonna fare pretty very well. And that's
exactly what we did. We held him under under wraps,
and again I wouldn't think it would have mattered anyway. Yeah,
but it's still nice to see the focus come back, right,

(28:25):
because I think that's a lot of what this year
has been is, you know, focus and the lack thereof.
So to me, it was nice to say.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, I mean I saw a clip today it was
either yesterday today that the Eagles put out on like
one of those slow motion clips that they do on
Twitter all the time of the default of the Davante,
I forget what, but like the deep ball of Devonte
where like they had the two backs in the backfield,
which I liked that they would do that a lot.
Was a little bit. So they put Shipley in motion
going left, Saquon does like a like a a fake

(28:55):
handoff going right and he helps pick up on the
Max Crosby block, Yeah, chips him and then Jalen has
enough time to throw a dine to Davante, which is
like a fifty sixty yard game whatever it was. Yeah,
So like doing that stuff is nice to see because
it's not the same ship that we've been seeing, you
know early on in the year where you know, give
me some wrinkles to stop doing the same thing over

(29:18):
and over and over again. So but it's it's good.
I almost I almost.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Blur out did they blur out the hold on that one?
Because that was I think that was the same blatant
hold on crumb fred J.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I don't remember, but I saw like the play design
was there right and like the chip block to help
out there. It was yeah, yeah, like I I don't
I don't know if this is true or not, but
it's also it's kind of making me think, like, who
did they bring in? Who'd they bring in to help
out with the offense. They just haven't haven't announced it yet.

(29:53):
Who's the consultant they brought in? Not the like I
don't trust these guys, but just with how different Oh yeah, yeah,
like brings somebody in to help out with the offense.
They just didn't announce it or something.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well there's the I forget the guy's name. He's the
he was the head coach we talked about him in
the off season leading up to the draft, the head
coach of Bowling Green, who's like the quarterbacks coach or
or like, you know, an offensive assistant. And again I
don't know that he you know, they're getting more. But
when you hear Nick talk about, you know, now we're
you know, we're making sure everyone's voice is having a

(30:27):
you know, having some say. Maybe he's getting more comfortable
being here and getting more comfortable voicing his opinion and
and his thoughts, right because you know, one of the
clips out there, not that we haven't run the tight
end shovel past ever, but you know, bowl and Green
should do that a lot with Harold Fanning. Yeah, and
you're just like, all right, maybe that was his influence,

(30:49):
you know, and and I know those are there. He goes,
thank you, Greg, Greg mill or Scott lafleor not Peter Lafleur.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Peter, Yeah, dodge ball, here we go.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
But so maybe he's getting some more, you know, say,
or some more help helping out a little bit more
because you know, Bowling Green, even though they stunk, their
offenses were usually pretty ah, you know, we're at least
pretty pretty effective, you know. Yeah, for sure, Defense says
I'm more under centered than in the last few weeks combined.

(31:22):
I agree. Nineteen passes, it's perfect, right, we count. We
talk about it all the time. Tommy loves you know,
Tommy talks about it all the time. The under twenty five.
That's what we need to keep jailing. And we were there.
Combination is the Raiders, and they stuck to things that
have been successful in recent weeks. Yeah. Greg Miller believes
Roger Goodell is a part of that. I don't like

(31:43):
the Eagles club.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Art degree good good point, Greg good point.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I think they got in Jalen's ear about just taking
the check down. Yeah, just take the positive play move on. Yeah, defense, Tommy,
I think you brought that up on Sunday that he
did in those few because there's only nineteen patches. But
in those few instances, he wasn't able to find a
check down more frequently than he had in previous weeks.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Just he looked more under control, He looked more decisive
in what he wanted to do with the football in
those in those limited attempts. But again, when I think
when you make him a playmaker first and you allow
him to use his legs, it just opens everything up.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
I mean said that for too long.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I only need the guy rushed in twenty five attempts,
but there should be at least seven runs in there.
I'm not saying all designed, but if you talk about
the RPO format, if you talk about this drop of back,
nothing there, or if you talk about it designed right,
so you know seven to eight runs designed, I mean
I need forty I need forty five fifty yards at
him on the ground because I accumulate that though about

(32:54):
one hundred in the air, I do I just double
that in the air because most of the time there's
SUPs of run break teams down or extend drives.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
So I say that by saying, Okay, if you throw
for two hundred.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And you give me fifty on the ground, that's almost
like a three hundred yard day, almost in a weird way.
So again, I'm not adding numbers to the guy's resume here,
I'm just saying there's a little more of an impact
when he uses his legs, because now our running game
gets going more, our passing game opens up.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Just things open up. It's just common sense.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And I know, like, hey, I don't need to run
this guy in November into the ground. I get that too,
especially with the talent you have. Just needs to be
a part of your game. Needs to be on tape
and team you need to respect it. And now it's
been more on tape, which seems we're gonna have to.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
Respect it more. Open shit up like it just does,
because it does.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I only press these simple issues because they're so basic
what our team because we saw for so long. Right,
it's not like we just took over this channels our
quarterback and next to this and we.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Just get here.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
We'll be doing it for a minute, right, And when
you're doing it for a minute, you sort of know
what you do well.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
You know what makes your.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Offense go, and like most offensive is the running game,
but it's the combo of the quarterback and this one
that really makes it go. So we'll say, we'll see
if they continue it. How he doubt they want it.
I mean, Andrew rating, it's like one hundred percent. Do
I want to see him get hurt? Absolutely not. But
he get hurt in the pocket too. He's got to
learn how to go down better and those types of things.

(34:29):
And maybe that's why I don't like I'm running too
much because he's not good at going down for whatever reason.
But I did I did think he attacks the middle
of the field bill to this point more over the
last few weeks.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
So yeah, I mean, everybody's got holes in the game
their game. I don't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I think when he's on time and he's in rhythm
and he's not overused, I think he's I think he's
really good. I think we've seen that. Yeah, I think
a lot of quarterbacks start put him in the forty
at ten game every five plus game.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Man, you just asking for trouble. Ain't many guys who
can do that shit. There's a few carriers of that
through the history of the league.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
That you say, all let him put him on his back, right,
I mean Dan Reno started that one, and that it
didn't age to anything like wins wise, right, Yeah, no, no,
always a big, big spinner. It go gets TV and
they sort of change up what they do and you
get a running game like ape man another guy man

(35:31):
like twenty five thirty attempts.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Dude, they had big time playmakers. But we're gonna set
it up with the run. Yeah, we're gonna play good defense.
We're gonna throw the clock like this isn't shots.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know, Montana they ran the football, man, Steve Young,
they ran the football.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
So if you just go over the course of it,
the New.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
England Pitchers ran the goddamn football outstead of one year
and then they win the Super Bowl that year.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yeah, fulls to the Giants. So, I mean they broke
all kinds of records. They were unbelievablelah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
They didn't finish the job because at some point you
gotta be able to run it enough, man, you gotta
be able to run it.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
At some point you're.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Gonna come up.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
You're gonna come up against a team that can that
can slow you down in the passing game or whatever,
and you gotta be able to run it.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Still fired up, Sirianni was after that a J. Brown touchdown?
Fired up? He was, there's a clip of that. Oh
my god, serious, shut.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Up and well, and then the other the other side
of it is like when you look at I'm gonna lose.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
I'm gonna lose this one. It's great, Yeah, I lost it.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well, we're talking about a J. Brown Siriani.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Yeah, it wasn't that. Okay, I don't know what it was,
but we're good.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
My bad.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
No, it's not you. That's a me problem.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's called dad brain. That's called dad brain. Late night
Dad breens.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, one got started like nine to day,
you know what I mean, like all.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Of us, Yeah, all right, we get in predictions, Yeah,
short predictions. Uh, I'm feeling good. What's the weather supposed
to be? Like, is it supposed to be decent?

Speaker 4 (37:28):
It's not gonna be that though, right, it's a higher
forty nine here, what's it going to be in decent?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
That's good enough, that's good.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Uh thirty three seventeen.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Good number, yeah, high of fifty one on the Oh,
that's Sunday, ship Saturday. It's Saturday.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
That's the NFL's fault.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, we're greg hat.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Oh, I think you're going to score forty five?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Why we're up forty five? We only do that in the
NFL Championship game. Whinka. Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
They gave up twenty two to the Giants thirty thirty four,
thirty four to twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, I think they could. They're gonna move the ball
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
James. Thanks for chiming into safe to save or stuck
in the third seed, and then he's got Eagles thirty
one ten. James, I don't think it's it's not necessarily set, yeah, James.
Then NFC North has got a gauntlet over the next
few weeks. They're all gonna play each other, so they
could take care of themselves and and somebody move out.
And if, of course we go and win out, we

(38:58):
will probably be the two seats. So it's not set.
But if it ended today, yes we're the three seed.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
If the Bears lose two of their three games. I
think if the Bears lose two of their last three,
they'll they'll be eleven and whatever. If Eagles win out,
we'll have we'll win the two seeds. But then like
we have a tiebreaker over the Packers and we have
tie breaker over the Lions, so whatever happens there, So.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Twenty eight to seventeen, Eagles twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I like it. I like it all very decisive wins.
Love it. Who's start on the defensive side of the ball,
defensive player of the game. We can go read, go
read it, go back to my My guy hasn't played

(39:50):
the greatest this year, but I think he gets a
pick this week. He gets a pick off of Mariota
and he leads a team in tackles.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
It's a bold one.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
It's the safety usually out there.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Anyway, Let's see, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Zach
Baughan this week Mariota. Like it's similar to Jayden Daniels were,
Like Eagles running quarterbacks have given us problems in the past,
So not allowing him to escape the pocket, like because

(40:26):
I know Herbert did it a few times a couple
of weeks ago, and I think that's really the reason
why we ended up losing that game outside of the turnovers,
because like that was able to sustain drive. So if
Zach Blond can go sideline the sideline and maintain him
in the pocket. I don't think the rest of our
guys are gonna have a problem pandel in that offense.

(40:46):
So Zach baughn just containing the extra running of Mariota.
Maybe n Kobe Dean in there too, But go Zach vaughand.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Love it. You get a huge pick. Nice to see
catch one, right, because did you for a few weeks
ago that would have ended the game the Cowboys game,
we went and gave you a catch that.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Right hands?

Speaker 5 (41:12):
Mmm give me Jalax Hunt, Oh, I love it.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Talk to me, baby, like.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You've been all over the freaking field, just like he's motor, motor,
motor all over the field right now.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
So let's let's ride him.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
And I think Tommy to that point, right. I think
the addition of BG, jallex U or Jalen Phillips, Nolan
Smith coming back, even to Kobe coming back, took a
little pressure off of him that he might have been
putting on himself early in the season. Just like most
of everybody since the Jalen Phillips and Nakobe Dean and
Nolan Smith coming back, Jalx Hunt's been awesome, been great.

(41:56):
He's been all over the football field. He's been all
over the field on the defensive side of the ball.
It's it's awesome. It's cool to say, uh before we
go to the defense of the offensive sidey, did you
guys see Patrick Queen joined Shady and Acho the one
night or maybe it was Monday night after his game,
and they asked him the current top five linebackers and
he threw to Kobe in there at number five, and

(42:20):
he said, since the Kobe has come back, he's been
balling out and and you know, we we obviously loved
the Kobe, but it was cool to see naturally, other people,
especially other linebackers, see it also when they're watching, when
they're watching around the league as well.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Greg Wheeller's with me. Greg Wheeller's with me.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Let's go, Greg, pick six or.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Must be like thirty yards out because Reid's not reason
outrun anybody. Let's be a quick one.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Jason Charles Phillips with a sack and a half forced
fumble n a TV. Holy yes, Jason, what's you scored?

Speaker 3 (43:05):
What do we scored that?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Can I get Jalen Phillips with that stat line just
as my defense and fantasy this week, Right, that'd.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Be a double digit, right, double digit game for FA.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
For fantasy's one one points, a sack, fumbles two I think,
and then touchdowns at least six. Yeah, oh yeah, that's
like nine eight nine, just right there. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Offensive side going first is hardy, Like, I mean, he's
only three of us. There's a lot of pressure. Uh,
give me Davante, Give me Davante. This week, we'll go
opposite of We'll get him in there. We'll get him
into a touchdown seventy five and a tuddy.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
It's the Saquon game. Saquon cooked Washington last year, absolutely
cooked them. I still I still go back and watch him,
like the first run in the NFC Championship game. Everyone
in a while, it's just about Spinner. Absolutely absurd that
he breaks three tackles, runs like after they just put
that drive together to go kick a field goal, first

(44:29):
play touchdown. All right, we're chilling. Yeah, No, let let's
let's go. Sakon's gonna. I think it's only had a
couple hundred yard games this year. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I don't know has he had Eddy.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
I think he's had one or two. Saquon goes for
a buck twenty five and two touchdowns twenty five two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Giants Chargers, you're right, Giants Chargers one fifty versus Giants
one twenty two versus Chargers, leaving me.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
A lot of spots here. Not I like, I don't.
I don't really like taking Dallas the weekend after that's
a big week.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I mean AJ has cooked Washington in the past too,
So yes, give me a J.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
I don't want one hundred yards because that's his equals
bad bad news for us. So give me a J.
Ninety two toddies he's got two, though a lot of it.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
It helps me in fantasy. I was gonna take Vante
because I didn't want to take AJ because he's on
my fans. He's on both my fantasy teams and the semis.
So I can't take a.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yeah, I don't want to take because I sort of
fel like I did him dirty.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I sort of started taking them and then I feel
like the wheels fell off.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I started point fingers and then yeah, so I can't
do that to him.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
You know what, Hey, you know that's good good accountability, good.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Learn from mistake here.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
You gotta grow up. Growth, We're growing here. I said
to myself, how.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Can you take him again? He's gonna this is the
game he bounces back. I think I finally got it
right after two weeks the week if I knows, Yeah,
I think I said it for charge.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
And then if you keep saying something enough times, it'll
keep it will be right eventually.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, I didn't know. Five picks or five turn them
jail hurts. I I haven't met him. That was the
first time meeting him.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
That wasn't fun.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
No, it's not ideal.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
No, that was hailing jerts old jailing hurts.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Yeah, yeah, Greg, you're spot on, man. He's been all
over to football field. Jail. It's a great pick.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Yeah, just I doesn't expect more of the same. You know,
a lot of a lot of good, a lot of
good from everybody. It's honestly better when everybody eats. I
don't like those games where it's really just one guy, right,
like when you see a little bit of everything for everybody.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Well, we'll make the good hopes for a yeah, for
speed or spread around, man, get guys and bopped.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
I don't I want throw nineteen times. I mean, I
can keep guys happy throwing nineteen twenty times. I'm done.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
He again, Yeah, I mean I'm only throwing the three
fucking guys and the fourth being a running back, like.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
You know what I mean, Like there's balls to go
around here.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
And with sad Is his balls are running back were
probably the worst balls of the day. He was he
was so far behind Shaquan on on on the two
or three attempts to the outside, and it was just
like come on, Taylor, but everything else was it was
was off, was on the money.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Oh, I take a plan for jam and to beat
him with with his arm.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
But that's where our po's come in.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
That's where you know, things like that come in where
you can try the other guy beat you with his arm.
But yeah, when he starts beating you with his arm,
then what. So we'll see he was We'll see that.
We'll see the response they have again this week.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
We'll see what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, I think it'll I think it'll be a good response.
I think they're they're like you said, Tommy, we've seen
that response before. We've seen that even this year, and
the edge and flows of this year, and it feels
like that this climb is is headed, is getting ready
to climb through the through the playoffs, right, this is
the role they go in through the playoffs, you know, So.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Figure something out, right, I think, Yeah, we've been figuring
out a little bit more, well not figuring out. We've
been going back to a little bit more of what
our identity is. And I think that's the key here,
and we're playing better with that identity. We're growing with
the identity. It's never left. It's just sometimes they get cute. Yeah, right,

(48:47):
and what I mean by that sometimes so it's throw
it thirty five times.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, let's see we go in this way.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
We're we're bored guys. You know who wins? Right, grind
out again?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I get big, big more king because he's downhill, Like
you need somebody who can run between the center and
the guard man, I no dispect. He does not want
to run in between that. Like I'm not taking a
shot at I watched my eyes. I watched guys level
and I watched guys that seem like you're dancing. Now,
he's a great running back. Nobody's taking that away. Stop

(49:22):
running the eye like under center between the two the
two gaps.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Like staff, dude, yeah, get outside.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Like that's a Bigsby run. He's shown that to be
his runs. Yeah, And I'm not saying you become predictable.
That's not what I'm saying. But like doesn't mean you
never run saque in there. It's not again, because then
you become predictable. So you gotta you gotta have some
balance with it.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
But goodness gracious man, but you're right though, those are
a lot of the runs that Kenny had last year. Yeah,
there's a lot of short yards runs where you're like,
why are we running Kenny Gainlow up the middle? But
he would get those. He he ran with a very
similar uh you know verocity that that Tank runs it.
Then again not saying that Sequon doesn't, but and there's

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time Sequence hits a hole in the middle and goes
and and and because he's that good. But this year
he hasn't been that good in the middle. Most of
his stuff is on the outside and to the left side,
if we want to get even more.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Specific, And what Tank's been successful is right up the gun.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, so you just sit back and watching you like,
come on, guys, But I think there again, I think
defensetead of the year, they're settling into what works. I
think the biggest thing is, Yeah, your quarterback wants to
win more than anything else. So when you have that,
he's willing, he's willing just to play games to win.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah. Look, he had he had some cryptic to answer
to a to a prescott to a question this week.
It was really it was I can't even like regurgitate
it to to to but it was so cryptic it was.
But it was basically about all I want to do
is win, and how are we gonna get there? And

(51:01):
however I gotta If I don't, If we try something
that doesn't win, then it's not a failure. Just we
learn from it. We move on and we try the
next time to do something different to get that win.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
And it was just it was super cryptic, but it's
typical jail On hurts, right since what he does.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Look, even if the game plans to beat him or
to force Jailen to beat you with his arm, He's
thrown for three hundred yards four times against Washington his career,
and they've won all four of those games. So like,
all right, you want to test those waters again. Okay,
that's fine, we'll do that. But again, yeah, like the
team wants throw in the football and if you if
you make him throw the ball again. We've talked about

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I don't know how many times now twenty five ish
times or how many times do you throw the ball
this past week nineteen? Yeah, not even so, like if
you can do something again like that where again he
threw three touchdown passes technically like the god are like
shovel passes don't really count, but like they do. Yeah, again,
like he he can open stuff up at like if

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you're running those more under center players, you do a
little play action, right, you get a little different looks
for defenses where they're they're pushed up because they don't
want to let Saquon beat them. Like, okay, cool, I'm
gonna have my guy who throws one of the best
deep balls in football over your ted, over your head,
so get after it.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
It's fine, Yeah, it's yeah. I mean we don't want
him throw them much, but you know, when needed, he can,
he can beat you with his arm. I love I
didn't know that. I love that stat that he's thrown
over three hundred yards against it.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Yeah, he's he's thrown over and half times and then
and then he threw one game was two ninety six,
So I just run it up.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, it's not like you can't do it.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
It's just we're not built.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
We're not built that way all the time, right, No,
those weeks where the game just dictates that a little bit,
but more often than not, the weeks dictates, hey, twenty
five tenth, which is still like we act like, that's
like you're not throwing the ball at all, right, that's
what we act like. But that's that's enough, man, that's enough.
And we've seen him be able to put up two

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hundred and forty yards in the air, you know. You know,
we've seen big passing games with minimal attempts. So like,
I don't know what the problem is.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
You hit problem. We lost, right, that's the real problem
is that is this run where we lost. So everything
gets magnified.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Sure, I only really remember two throws that Jalen made
on Sunday, not that he was obviously he was good.
The two throws I remember whether the deep ball to
Devonte and the touchdown aj Brown, like that was it,
and like those combined were like one hundred and ten yards,
So like, all right, yeah, there's half of your passing
yards on two plates. Like it's not that part again,
like you're getting I don't know what's the average completion

(53:53):
ten yards for the most part, maybe fifteen, right, So
if you if you complete, you throw them all twenty times,
you go eighteen of twenty five for fifteen yards of completion.
That's that's like two thirty two forty something like that.
Like that's that's more than enough.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
Sometimes, trying to pull up this last game.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Yeah, the Rams Seahawks. Uh, Greg, I got the Rams
tomorrow night. Please, for the love of God, feed me
the Seahawks round one of the wild Card weekend. Please
they stick, they stink out loud.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Eleven point seven was his average on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, So as long as you're over ten yards of completion,
then like, yeah, you know you're you're completing again seventeen
eighteen passes, right if you're throwing them all twenty five
times plenty.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
And thanks to our point earlier, Tank had seventeen carries. Now,
granted a lot of that was that last drive, but
there was a there was a few drives or a
few snaps mid game where Sekuan got banged up a
little bit. Uh that he that he was in there,
and we didn't miss a beat, you know, to what
we've all talked about. Wow, we didn't miss a beat there. Yeah,

(55:22):
give me the give me the Seahawks just because they're
at home. And yes, the Rams are better, but without Davante,
you know, I think that defense and then you got
to play outside in Seattle is usually a tough place
to play. Their defense is pretty good. But the Rams
are the better team realistically, but that that hasn't meant

(55:43):
anything all year.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Look, man, one of the first Like I've seen the
Seahawks play, but I watched them play Philip Rivers and
they only kicked a field goals and like, come on,
that team stinks man, that's it.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, but I would I would love them. I wouldn't
be worried if I if we saw them in the
playoffs for sure. And the other possible possible uh as
of now, would be the Niners.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
I'm not worried about them either.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Again, come back to the place that haunts you.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah, please please come back.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Come back to the place that haunts you.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
I think the last time they were here sek CMC
was the last person to take a snap under center
for them.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, that's right there. We had we be.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Out well yeah, man, that they had party and then
Perdy got hurt and they brought in like Josh Johnson
or something. Then he got hurt and he was running
wildcat and then then I think they brought perty back
in just like hand the ball off or something. You
remember that, And then they started complaining. I think that
was the that was the reason the third QB thing

(57:05):
came around. I think like the emergency third quarterback. I
think that was the reason why. It's like, you know what, hey, man,
if you're want to block a god, who was it?

Speaker 5 (57:20):
It was?

Speaker 4 (57:21):
It was the Temple guy. He went it was a
cardinal and we trade him to the Jets.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Hassan Reddick.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah, Hassan Reddick comes around the edge, you try to
block him with a tight end, and then your your
quarterbacks out of the game, Like, all right, maybe not
blocked a dude had eighteen sacks store in the season
with a tight end.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
It's bull strategy something like that.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
It was just like then they complained in the whole time,
and they're like, yeah, I guess their revenge was them
starting our miracle collapse in twenty three. But you know whatever.
Yeah Shanahan, that man every year, that.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Guy Choke City with that guy.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Feed me, Kyle Shanahan, Choke City, need me, Sam Donald,
give me anybody. I don't really care beat them all.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Yeah, we got some We got some ghosts. That Sammy,
that sam you can run into here.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Yeah, second drive Samy seeing ghosts again.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
We got some good old ghost here in the in
the friendly confines of South Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
They'd probably make that like a Monday night game for
us to give us another short week going in the
second week. They'd give it some stupid ship like that,
because we just we can't have a normal schedule.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah, it's so funny because like you look at this game,
you're probably look at the schedule, You're like, oh, you
got a full week. But then as you later on
the year, as you start diving in, you're like, oh,
shouldn't this this is just short week. It's detected a
short week. That was a funny clip with with Sirioty like,
get your body's right, we got a short we con
Peple were like what yeah, yeah, guys, we play Saturday again.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
This has been the weirdest year, just so weird scheduling wise,
it's insane.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah, it's definitely been been super odd and and you know,
not an excuse, but probably plays into some of the struggles. Absolutely,
you know, not an excuse. Your your professional athletes. You
gotta go do it and it inside of every one
of those games, we had opportunities to win, right, So

(59:32):
it's not saying that that was obviously that was the reason,
but it causes some of these blunders and these and
these mental mistakes when when you're when you are up
and down all.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Year, your first back to back home games all year
are gonna be Week eighteen and then the first round
of playoffs.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
And half of those guys aren't even playing, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Exactly exactly. Then if you get the two seed, you'll
be able to play three straight. Maybe we'll see, but
either way, like that, that's that's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, Jesse in the middle of college the playoffs is
a bold strategy. But the NFL don't care. NFL went
up against the NBA for Christmas Day on stream too,
Like they even they were like, yeah, we're even gonna
put it behind Netflix and we'll still out out view
the n b A on their day.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
It's actually insane. Yeah, they don't care. They just know
those people will watch the NFL over everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, all right, and sixers wise, let's get some let's
get some phillies talk in here. Unless anyone's got anything else,
Sixers or uh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Six PG has been playing well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Sixers, it'll play it on Friday. They come back Friday.
Uh forget who? There who? They come up back against
the Knicks.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Nick who just n NBA Cup champion, New York Knicks.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
You know in New York one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
They're not everybody know, everybody h is worried that they're
not hanging a banner for the NBA Cup.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Hey, I know when we were four and oh, we
were talking about, well, how how we'd react to it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Have parade? Here we go? Yeah, I mean sixers are fine.
Not again. The NBA season starts next week. Yeah, next week,
so Christmas. Yeah, pg's been playing pretty well. It's seven
threes the other night and beat had what thirty nine
in the game before that, So he's been looking a

(01:01:41):
little bit better. But yeah, I'm not don't really worried
about the Sixers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
The moment, So no, But but PG playing well though, helps, right,
playing well helps and it'll help once Maxie, which I'm
assuming is Friday, what's Maxie gets back from being sick,
and it just helps. It just helps provide another outlet
for him and another veter presence because we obviously we

(01:02:06):
know that Joel is going to be up and down
all year just in terms of playing right. Once he's
on the court, he's gonna be Joel or as close
to Joel as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
But just give him another It just gives him another
veteran who can create his own shot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
And that's yes, Yeah, another thing there, I'd like, I
want to know why McCain hasn't been playing as much
right like he like he played eighteen minutes like like
recently he's been playing a little bit more, I guess,
But I'd like to see them give him a little
bit more run, try to get him back in some

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form of flow like played fourteen minutes against the Pacers.
We play against the Lakers thirteen minutes. Yeah, I mean,
I'd like to see them try to get him a
little bit more of a flow like more likely he
was doing last year when he was playing. I don't know,

(01:03:00):
I don't know if I necessarily need him to play
twenty five minutes, but maybe give him twenty, right, because
he's good enough to be able to play.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, it felt like we talked about this a couple
of weeks ago because it was the same thing, right,
it was the same what's going on? Like where are
they at? And I mean right now. Yeah, he's averaged
seventeen point eight minutes per game, and over his last

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ten he's been up at twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
He's very a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
He's been up at twenty two over the last ten,
which you know, when when you're missing Maxie, you hope
that his minutes pick up a little bit because he
did play well last year.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Yeah, i'd like to. I'd like to see them try
to get him a little bit more engaged involved he
hasn't been scoring a whole lot because like he was
really good and started last year then he got hurt obviously. Yeah,
i'd like to. I'd like to see them try to
get him involved a little bit more, just to give
you another guard who can you know, move the ball
around and be quick, no hit some jump shots, rim Yeah,
be nice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
But to your point, versus the Lakers, you only played
thirteen minutes. Versus the Pacers, he only played fourteen and
even against the Hawks he only played eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Right, So yeah, so like you know, especially like this
Maxley hasn't been playing a whole like he's been out
so like you would think that he would get more
minutes there, but he just hasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
So yeah, you wonder if something is still wrong or
if you know, it just fell out of favor in
nurses rotation, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Yeah, well the way again sixers really start. Oh, they
don't play on Christmas this year. There's only a play
on Christmas this year. It's crazy first time and how
long first time? And how long Sixers don't play on Christmas?
Probably like seven eight years, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Think, so, Yeah, because last year was the Boston we
all thought we were back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Yeah, that was the first time that everybody played together, like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
We're back.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
That's what we thought. All right, boys, all right, I'll
you guys later.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Uh yeah, so yeah, we don't play. It's good. It's
we don't the you don't the force. You know, I'm
not forced to watch it, but don't sit there and
watch watch them on Christmas. You can, you can, you know,
watch the football or whatever. But yeah, we'll see. You're right.
The season starts to kick off here. Uh and even
though you know, we looked at this the other day,

(01:05:33):
they're only like four, they're only a couple of games
out of right now, they're the six seed, but they're
they're a game back of the three seed, right, so
they're all they're all right there, Like Toronto's got the
three seed at five and a half back and the
six ers or six and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Yeah, I mean we were talking about this before the
season started, where it's like, look, the East is wide open.
It's so wide open, really, like the best team in
the Eastern Conference is Detroit and not nothing like Detroit's good.
Like do you mean tell me, like if we play
Detroit in the playoffs, mightna be afraid of Detroit? No,
So like yeah, yeah, but like again, you're a half

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game back of Boston and Orlando, you're a game back
at Toronto. You're you're not all that far behind the Knicks,
like they have a couple of games in hand, right,
But like makin, it's it's early, you know, just gotta
make sure that these guys are you know, you're not
running PG and beating into the ground. You're not running
MAXI forty minutes a night like you just gotta find

(01:06:38):
these guys time, no, just do your best to against
the grind of a season, right, Yeah, I feel I
feel like Nurse has been at least like the last
couple of years, just like, hey, look, we're gonna run
our guys out there as much as we can and
just try to win as many games as we can. Like, yeah,
that's important. You know, you're gonna be in the playoffs
at least if everybody stays healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Yeah, So you know, try to.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Minimize their minutes a little bit and then maybe they
play a little bit more come like February, March April,
then you're good going into the playoffs. So it always
seems like it's the opposite with these guys. Yeah, well,
like they come out really hot and then they kind
of like teeter it off later and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
They dragged to the playoffs. Yeah, and their schedule coming
out of the NBA Cup is is fairly favorable. I mean,
of course you got the Knicks, but then your home
Dallas home Brooklyn at Chicago that's the day after Christmas,
and then yeah, Oklahoma City and but then you go
at Memphis at Dallas back Dallas is on New Year's Day,

(01:07:40):
and then back to New York before you come back home.
So yeah, not not terrible hard stretch. You know, some
good games in there, but some games that you would
you know, you would think that you should be able
to handle and and you know, finish that whatever that
eight eight games, ten games with a winning record, right
you know?

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't need I don't
need you to go eating two give me, give me
at least a six and four, maybe a seventy and three.
Tell you what, I know, I'm gonna be watching an
okay s game, watch so see how that game goes,
because okay, see is disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah, they're pretty good. I think that. I think they're
they're gonna make it. I think they're good team.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
Yeah, I think they're pretty good man. And I think
they also have two first round draft picks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
This year, which is yeah, which is stupid, disgusting. Good work, NBA, well,
actually good work then, right they were? They are ideally
what we what we wanted and hoped that the Sixers
would be with the process that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
They did the exact thing that this is like what
Darryl Moore not Darrn moorey what uh? Sam Hinky wanted
to do. Man like, he just took all bad contracts.
He stacked it up like they they didn't even have
like people to six everybody had was just bad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
And I think the problem with the Sixers was they
got guys who were pretty good too quickly, and they
couldn't just be awful and just stack draft picks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Yeah, screw Adam Silver and the NBA for making us
do that, because we could be that right now. We've
already won three championships.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Yeah, it's it's a crock, it really is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Ah, you know, not shocking coming from.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
The NBA, not shocking at all. They don't want they
want us to be in it. They don't want us
to win though. Yeah, right, that's what they.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Want, right right. I have I have a big issues
with the Phillies right now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Issue. I have issues with the Phillis too, So let's
hear yours first.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I have big issues with the Phillies, and I hope
they come out and they prove me wrong, not playing wise,
but over the next few weeks, because when you when
you hear that, Dave Dombrowski has essentially admitted that our
defl or our outfield set right now I have very

(01:10:03):
very big issues right now because this this team is
not good on paper.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
On paper, this team it's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
It's not good enough. Correct, it's not good enough. This
team right now on paper is not good enough. You
didn't upgrade anything. You gave a whole lot of money
to an aging Kyle Schwerber, which is fine. He had
a really good year, right you knew it was happening.
So again I'm not we're not rehashing that. But if

(01:10:33):
your moves are Kyle Schwerber, Adolways, Garcia, jt Real Mutel
and then banking on a twenty year old Justin Crawford
to be a different spark Houston, we had a problem.
I do love what they're doing in the bullpen, yep,

(01:10:57):
I do love what they're building that bullpen. When you
look at Yo Duran Alvarado Strom if he sticks around
ah Kurkering Banks and now Brad Keller, when you look
at his numbers, they're stupid, filthy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
He was disgusting last year they turned the guy to
shout out to Chicago because they turned a guy who
was a middling fourth fifth starter for the majority of
his career, and now they threw him out in the
bullpen to be a high leverage guy, and he allowed
one earned run after the All Star break. What absolute
stuck fastball fastball Vila went from like ninety three to

(01:11:34):
ninety seven ninety eight, Like, you know, talk about a
guy like embracing the role too, because some guys does
don't want to do that. So good for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Yeah, no, I I completely agree with you on that aspect,
Like like we're we're on different sides of the shorter
thing which we talked about, Like I love bringing him back.
You were kind of hesitant about it, which is fine,
And like I like in a bubble, I like the
Adula Scarcias tining two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Actually I love that part. I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
I love it perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
I like it is.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
It's it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
It's it's a low risk drink signing and exactly that right,
like low risk yes.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
So again, good low risk, high rewards signing one year
ten mil cool guy obviously one World Series with the
Rangers a couple of years ago. Was an absolute tank.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Who was the best player on the field.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
He was he was ALCS MVP. He like outside of
Corey Seeger, he was the best player on the field
in the World Series, like absolute stud right, brings in
an energy that I don't think you've really had because
I keep seeing this one clip of him hitting a
home run in like June of last year and just
losing his mind, Like I want that, I need that.

(01:12:48):
And I know we talked about a little bit or
like maybe like off handedly, Phillies are really white. You
go out and get a guy who's you know, Cuban
guy brings a little color, a little of flavor into
the wrong lineup.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Love it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Cool? But yeah, I completely agree with your sentiment on breaks.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
We're talking about it right now. Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Yeah, if if this is the sentiment that you're this
is your outfield, I hate it. I absolutely hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Right, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Think that Garcia moving from a hitters into a hitters
ballpark out of the out of Texas, which is a
monstrosity of a pitcher's ballpark, He's gonna do better here, right,
And like obviously you're gonna slide him in between Schwarburn Harper,
which is gonna be good, are you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
I think so?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
But but put after the year he had, we really
put him in like the hole.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Maybe not initially but I think he's gonna be your point,
like where do you put him? Then? Right? But I
it's if that's the only move. And I I think
I'm higher on Justin Crawford than you are. So I
think he's gonna do pretty well hitting wise and getting
on base, and like he's gonna play better defense than
people think he's going to. But we know what Brad

(01:14:02):
Marsh or Brandon Marsh's like false are. And then your
other options are Otto Kemp, who's okay, and then West
and Wilson and then maybe like one of the other
guys like like a Ringconez or something, I don't know,
whatever guy you can like slide in there, Like is
that what we're gonna do? They're gonna run Alec Bohm
out there again, and then Bryson Stott out there again,

(01:14:22):
and then another year older j t roal Muto, all
of these guys who are so so so streaky, who
I like when they're playing well. Right, But like this
the fact that he says or Dombo said, Yo, we
can't like we're done with the outfield. There's no way
you can be done with the southfield. You're gonna you're

(01:14:43):
gonna line up that unless you're going out and trading
or you're gonna sign Bregman. Are you gonna trade for
to tell Marte or you signed Boba Schett right to
make your infield that much better where you can take
a little bit of a breather in the outfield, and
then you maybe like Flip Boom or Stott for like
more reliever help or to be a starter or something
like that. This team is not good enough, the lineup

(01:15:04):
is not good enough. You're gonna run the same team
out there, because like all I've been seeing over the
last couple of days, because again I love the adults,
Carcia signing, it's like, oh he's been he's basically Nick Castianos.
I'm like, yeah, okay, so if he performs like Nick Castillanos,
which I don't think he's gonna perform that badly just
because you put him in a better hitting situation than
when Texas. Right, Like, it's there's no way you can

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conceivably look at this roster and like, yeah, okay, cool,
we can compete with the Dodgers. Got the Dodgers, Yeah, man,
for sure, because you definitely want to put the exact
same lineup that scored I don't know exactly, but like, hey,
seven runs again, five games, Yeah, like, come on, man,
we can't, we can't do this again.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
And and my only issue with with Crawford this year
is you're just asking too much of them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Yes, that too in this current setting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Right with this current setting, you're asking too much of him.
You're asking him to go be a dude. And he
might be a dude, but that is that is so
much of an ask of a of a rookie to be,
to be a dude, even even in the nine hole, right,
even in the nine hole, go be a dude. You
know how hard that is? And for a rookie, I mean,
we we know this. And then then you're right, you're

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gonna put Auto camp and I love Auto camp Put
and I love Brandon Martin, but you're gonna put those
guys in left field? What are we doing? And yeah,
see it brings a better defensive you know, obviously me,
you and and and brains are better defensively than Casty Put.
But I also think that he's gonna strike out more
than cast he did. So it's they're essentially the same player.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Yeah, they're very very different, different.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
But profile wise for this team, they're the same player,
right that, that's that's what it's gonna be. You're gonna
be a six or seven hole hitter. On on a
great day, you're gonna move up to the five hole
right when you're going good, you're gonna be a five
hole hitter. But if this is the if this is it,
I have major major issues.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
No, it can't be it. It can't be it. Like
if you're if you're gonna tell me, I don't know, man,
it's it. You can't run this outfield out there again
unless unless you're thinking and for some way, shape or form,
that Aiden Miller has a chance to come up this
year and you're gonna move Trey Turner to like centerfield

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or like left field or something like that's what you're
gonna do. Then like, okay, you could talk me to that,
but again, you're asking another rookie to come up here
and be a stud, which like and I don't I
don't think he's going to. I think he's like a
gonna be a spring training guy. You know, see what
he can do. Go tear up Triple A and then
maybe see him in September, if not next year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Right, Oh, he's not definitely one year? Why one year?

Speaker 7 (01:17:51):
Way?

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Like it's it's so frustrating, Like, no, I don't really
blame Dom Browski in a sense, were like, all right, hey,
unless you're gonna go out and sign another left handed
hitter in Kyle Tucker, another left handed hitter in Cody
Bellinger in the specific outfield market where you're gonna go
pay Harrison Vader. I don't know, fifteen to twenty million

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dollars a year. I don't know if you want to
do that, right, like, rather do that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Didn't run this outfield though as.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
What I I would, But I like, I don't know.
I don't know if I can take another year of
Brandon Marsh striking out against left hand pitching. I don't
know if I can.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Well, I don't think we're going to. I mean we're
gonna it's again, they don't trust him enough, so it's
gonna be sparing with him when he does face a
left e. You know, whether it's Wilson or Kemp. I
think they want. I think the organization at least wants
Kemp in the lineup more times than not. Yeah, which

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is even as a guy that is an auto Kemp
guy of whatever you call that, but that's a bold strategy.
It is because he didn't tear the cover off the
ball and minuted time here. No, he was okay, but
he wasn't like I need this guy in my line
up one hundred and sixty games a year.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Yeah, no, man, I want I want the Phillies to
be the Dodgers. Go and get right, pay them a
billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Justin Crawford to be an All Star when we had
stupid money.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Yeah, like like, look I saw that, I saw a
post eliot. Today the Dodgers are paying nine players a
billion dollars, a billion dollars. I don't want to hear
any excuses on this ship. There's teams that are out
there that are doing it. Man, go out, go out
and get talk. Gotta talk. Go go get Cody Bellinger, right,
go pay them this money because obviously, you running out

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the same roster with the guys that are a year older,
right and in a lesser pitching staff isn't gonna work. Yes,
your bullpen's better, but your starting rotation is gonna take
a hit unless Andrew Payter comes up and again asking
you a rookie to be ranger. Schwarz rookie to be
again in in a nutshell, in a bubble. I like

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the moves that they've made so far, but this cannot.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Be it correct, absolutely correct. Each move individually is fine, right,
is the moves that you potentially had to make, right,
But yeah, if we're done, Like I could have gone
without having or without claiming for Harrison Bader to come back.
I could have gone without signing Tucker or Bellinger. I

(01:20:27):
could have done all that if you would have been
if you would have done something else. Yeah, but you're
sitting here right now, and again it could be all
GM speak, right, this could be all just throwing you know,
throwing the chum in the different area of the water
right to just throw people off and on December seventeenth,

(01:20:49):
but this is wild, Like to completely just to say
we're done right now? Is is crazy talk to me?

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Yeah, like the like the Orioles trading for Taylor Ward,
that would have been I would have loved that, like
the Philly's trade for Taylor Ward, or like Joe Adell,
like doing something like that as opposed to going out
and paying somebody massive money. Love it great idea or
if you even if you want to go and you
can talk to me into jar Jared Durant, right, you're

(01:21:21):
talking to Jaron Durant. I'll do that, right but like
your ifield is not good enough as it stands right now?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
What's up, breaks, guys?

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
What's going on? You are scratching me right where right now?

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Because yeah, we're all we're all spot then.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Because I can't I can't talk. I can't even think
about the Eagles right now. I just get a brain aneurysm.
I don't know what to think about. So this is
this is a good segue in the spring training, what
maybe want to join was the fact that this team
hopefully they something, they know something that we don't about Crawford.

(01:22:02):
If Crawford's not an all star, like your offensive outfield
is nowhere near good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
No it's not. And it's like you said, we're asking
you're asking too much of Crawford. Done at that point,
I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
This is a major market, Like we don't need to
be pinching pennies like this, Like go get Tucker. If
John Middleton is serious about stupid money and wanting his
trophy back, go get me Kyle Tucker. I should have
gotten to Alonzo and Kyle Schwarber and make Bryce Harper

(01:22:45):
play left field.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Yeah, with the with the deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
The Dodgers paying a billion dollars to deferred money, Like
they don't care. They got guys passing go on the
monopoly board every two seconds for the next fifty years.
It's ridiculous. That's what you're competing against. Yeah, we're pinching
pennies in Philadelphia. I don't know if that's Dombrowski. I

(01:23:13):
don't know if that's Middleton. I don't know. Like, it's
very frustrating as a season ticket holder. It's very frustrating
as the season ticket holder.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
It's even more frustrating when you hear Dombrowski early in
the off seasons say that there is no restrictions on him,
that there is no restrictions.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
That can't be true, because he's been aggressive everywhere he's
been except here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
It seems like, isn't that weird?

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Yeah, it is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Like he was a part of that. I'm okay with right,
because our on field product didn't need ale in previous year,
didn't need a whole lot of tinkering, right, she didn't
need to blow up the farm system. Now it hadn't
worked right, But we all thought in those years that
this team was good enough. If we were all out
this team on opening day, this team is not good enough.

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This team might not be good enough to win the East.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
I don't think it's a playoff roster. Honestly, that's probably
a little harsh because they will be like if the
players isn't at least a wild card team, that's a travesty.
But I mean, so what like with the just the

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windows closing, It's it's evident to everyone that the windows closing,
and there's no sense of urgency for management to keep
it open. It's so frustrating and in that sense, it
might as well be closed.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
I can't think like like I know, I go off
the rails on the Eagles like every now and then
and just have complete meltdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
But no, not you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
It's one game a week.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
No, I'm busting boss.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
I understand we're all busting balls here, like it's five
games a week in baseball. Yeah, And I actually pay
for season tickets for the Philadelphia Phillies, so I'm more
patient with the with the Phillies as opposed to the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
But like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
The Braves have to figure it out with all that
talent down there. One of these years I get the
Mets or I don't know what the Mets are doing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
I love the Mets are going to be bad this year,
be bad this year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
The Braves are going to come back this year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
And I think Washington is going to be good.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
Maybe not like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
A contender this year, but I think they're coming.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Washington's tricky, just because there's so many rumors about them
trading McKenzie Gore and c J.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Abrams, which like that would be totally foolish. I haven't
read those. I'm behind on my MLB rumors. I'm a
ups driver.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
And no, no, you're good. It's it's your time of
the year. Santa Claus. Yeah, Kenji Gore was hot over
the Winter meetings, and I just feel like I feel
like they believe that by the time they're good, those
guys will be past their past, their their top.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
But they're gonna do what they're gonna do. I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
James a stud James Wood, James as a lot, Mackenzie
Gordon dominated the Phillies last year.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
I'm just there's got to be something more right, There's
got to be another, another card up his pocket. He's
got to be playing coy. We do know that the one, uh,
the one Japanese guy, the third, first baseman, third baseman
is well, but I'm saying at this point it might
not be advance it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
I won't sign those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Greg Well, we can put what we got to, we
got to get in on the market, but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
They're not going to. Why would I believe something's gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
But that all I'm saying is his posting comes up
here soon. His posting comes up on the twenty first,
I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
And I don't know anything about the corner outfielder.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
He's a corner infielder.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Yeah, he's a third basement, first basement, bigger Japanese guy.
He's got a ton of pop, strikes out a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
He yeah, he was. He was hot early on in
the rumor mill, just because he was new. But then
once people started diving in, they found a strike out rate,
and then they found his his swinging mis rate on
high velocity fastballs. But at this point, at this point,
don't need I need something else in my lineup, though
I don't know you know where we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
I save the money on that on the Japanese. If
he strikes out a lot, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
More doing it just to dip our toe into the pool, right,
Get that start, getting that start, getting that pipeline to us.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Yeah, it's true. It's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Actually, now, my my man Greg over here is talking
my language though, chat dud. I remember I was talking
about Byron Bucks at the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
We were trying to get him in the deadline deadline.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
I love Byron Buxton, especially like he was healthy all
last year. Man, that dude's all when he's when he's
on the field, he's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
But we have but I love I'm with you on Buxton.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Had we already have those guys?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
You're you had Beater in here again, I'll say it again.
I'm not clamoring for Baiter, but we can't run this
outfield out there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yeah, yeah, bater doesn't make the bater doesn't move that needle.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
It does because now I can play Justin Crawford in
left field, and if I'm platooning Crawford and Camp, I'd
rather do that than than Martian Kemp. Yeah, or maybe
you don't eat platoon Crawford maybe playing five days a week.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
And look, if you're gonna bring him up, I don't
want him. Platoons, I agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
You, and agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
You go with, you go with Garcia, you go with
if you bring Bader back Bader and then but then
and then then you trade.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Marsh but but then here, but then at least you're
saving great so is nothing drops in that outfield. That
outfield is electric defensively.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Which we haven't had a good defensive outfield in years.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
And in this in this ball park, over a full year,
I think you know, Bayer can run into twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Absolutely, he was. He went nuts in the second half
last year.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
He was so good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
How much money did he get.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Yeah, he's still a free agent.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
He didn't get signed. Still free, which again makes makes
makes everything coming out about, oh we're done. This is
our outfield all the more, all the more mind boggling,
like you can't be, you can't be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Well, what's gonna happen with Ranger Suarez?

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Do you think? Unfortunately? I think he goes. I don't
know where, but I think he goes somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
I think the Orioles are a big potential spot for him.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Because everybody. Everybody's gonna spend, but the Phillies it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Looks like it. I'm with you. I think Pete Alonso
is a weirdo and a loser, but for the money
that he that he got, I would have signed them both.
You move Bryce's back to this even before you signed Garcia,
you moved Bryce's back the right, or you you know,
you move Bryce back to right, or you signed Alonzo
instead of Shoreber and you free up a couple spots.

(01:30:50):
But having no we saw what Alonso. I know it
brought this up last week after the Schuber signed, but
we saw what Alonso did behind Soto. Imagine what he
does behind Bryce or Schwarber. I mean it's probably Bryce
the way that they like they like to do the lineup.
I mean, that's stupid right there, Trey Turner, Kyle Schwarber,

(01:31:12):
Bryce Harper, Pete Alonzo.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
I mean again, that'd be amazing. But you knew that
for whatever reason, they don't. They haven't done that, Like
they haven't signed two massive guys ever that I can
remember ever, Whereas like the Dodgers just throw money at everybody, and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
They had the opportunity too, they could have. They had
the opportunity. When when when Bryce and Mado Machado were
in the same off season and you you came out
that all season said stupid money and.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Are our mister Middleton, mister stupid money. He wants to
do everything until everything he wants to do, he's all
in on except paying that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Luxury tax until it costs money.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Mm hmm, what my my, my twenty four dollars bud
lights that I buy every Sunday down there at the stadium, Like,
what's your profit? March on that?

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Like, come on, man, twenty dollars, twenty five dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Crazy honestly, Like go sign Kyle Tucker if you're serious about.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Winning, well, they need to sign one of them, I think.
Or you gotta trade. You lost out on Harry Ford, right,
you know for what was seemingly a very cheap price.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Where did he go?

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
He went to Washington, So there was your there is
your potential other option at Catcher.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
You can still trade for Adley if you wanted to.
You can still trade for a I think that's going
to happen, But where I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Went, I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Change scenery.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
No, I'm out on you out yep, just a down
year or more. I mean, look, I do the final
whistle with Brad Ryer on this platform and dougman Kavic
comes on every once in a while. And he managed
against all those Orioles in uh minor league ball. He
said he was never really impressed really, so like that's

(01:33:23):
why they're I think that's why they're spending money now,
because they realize, uh, some of those guys aren't as
advertised he was.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
He was never impressed in just the Orioles organization in general,
or just with athlete or just all those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
He said it a bunch of times, but I'm obviously
paraphrasing what he said, but he just said, you know,
the Orioles when he played them, he wasn't scared.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
He also said Kyle Schwarber was the best minor league
player you've ever seen, he's ever seen.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Well, I mean I think he spent like six months
in minors before, like he was in Indiana, and then
I think he was like basically up with the Cubs,
like playing in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
He's up quick for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Yeah, because he mashed. Yeah, he was just when you
mash yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
He got he got relegated. To DH because of his
because he couldn't catch j c. L Yeah, you couldn't catch.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Yeah, might as we put Kyle back behind the plate.
That would be way a thirty thirty two, thirty three
year old college forward just hasn't caught in years to
catch it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
I'd be all for that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Well, Catcher, it seems like we're begging j T Romuto
to come back to us, which I don't like that
narrative at all.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
Well, I just think don't know if you're begging. It's
more just like you don't have another option right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Yeah, I just think you're I think they probably have
other options or they have other directions they can go,
but they're obviously waiting to see what he's going to do,
and you're hoping it it is sometime soon. I agree
though to a point, Rob, Like we're sitting here now,
our whole, our whole off season now hinges on JT's decision, right,

(01:35:18):
And that's probably not a great place.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
To be thirty four thirty four year old Catcher.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Because of exactly that, right, probably because.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
You wouldn't give up a stiff in Alex Baum for
Ford to get.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah, I just don't know that it was ever option.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Well, I mean you said it. I read it a
bunch of times on the internet like that was that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Was the perceived, That was the perceived, and they got
a lefty reliever like you couldn't have given him. Bowman Strom,
Bowman Strom. Who are you know who are known to
be out there?

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
I thought I was gonna see like.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Gret, Greg Millers chiming in let and the giants are
in on ranger. Yeah yeah, Greg. But the good thing is,
I think on the ranger front, the longer he's out there,
I think our chances of him coming back to increase
the longer he's out there, I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Do well, is Scott Boris's agent? I think I think
Boris is his agent.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
That's a good thing for the Phillies if he sits
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
I don't know, I thought it was, but then when
I look.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
It's Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Is it the begame of presenting in late twenty twenty four,
So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
There you go, yeap And so yeah, he's got a
he's got a good relationship with.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
With us.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
And Boris. He'll he'll make him sign one year for
a bunch of money and then try again next offseason.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
If he doesn't get anything, yeah, absolutely, If he doesn't
get I think that's good. That's been paying off. Though
it's been paying all for these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
It's gonna pay off for the Phillies if that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
It paid off for Peter Alonso. They they were talking
like the it's crazy to even say it, but the
Dodgers were in on Kyle Tucker and they were talking
to a very similar thing of going three four years
for Tucker instead of the the perceived ten or plus
that you probably would have thought he was getting prior

(01:37:18):
to this year. I think I think if you had
told me Kyle Tucker is signing like Kyle Tucker was available,
I'm like, give ten years, three hundred million just doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
I think you're just getting less of that right now
with the uncertainty which was gonna happen next year with
the CBA and all that shit. Do I think it?
Do I think there's gonna end up being a lockout. No,
I don't think there's gonad up being a locked They'll
figure it out. But like I think guys are a
little bit hesitant to give out those insane contracts that
like Kyle Tucker should get just because of that, right,

(01:37:49):
like same with like, same with like Bregman, Right, like
he got what a three year, like one hundred and
twenty million dollar deal with the Red Sox and he
opted out. I think he's gonna end up going back
there just it's the best fit in theory. But like,
I don't know why the Phillies wouldn't throw money in him.
Like I know he's a little bit older, but again,
he's a he's a professional hitter that's one multiple world

(01:38:11):
series that fills a need or a perceived need.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
And he would fit perfectly in this in this lineup
and in this ballpark. Yes, you fit perfectly in in
in Boston.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Perfectly in Boston, perfectly in in in Houston. Like we
got all these lefties, give me, give me a right
handed professional hitter.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Like, I think I'm making get him. That's cool too,
I think I think again, he's a Boris guy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Let's see great, let's get all those guys. Sounds like
he's got all the best guys now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
But Chet's Vyner Sports whatever that is.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Gary v Yo gat Yo gat.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
But I mean you signed Boba Schett. You put him
at second base.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
Mm hmm. Then you can flip stop third, Yeah, put
him at third. Yeah, yeah, he's He's not a great
deal there. Boba's not a great fielder. Again, like the lineup,
I think I think the Bobachette thing. I think Bashett's
got lot a better chance of signing like a one

(01:39:25):
or two year deal with like opt outs or whatever,
because he was hurt a bunch this year. Yeah, like
versus him or Tucker doing that, I think there's a
higher chance oft I heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
I heard an interesting theory on because now again we're
going back to we're getting back into the Kettle Marte discussion,
right like we do. But I heard an interesting thought
today or yesterday that I didn't think about or it
didn't register before. And Edel Marte gets ten five ten five, Yeah,

(01:39:59):
gets in five rights like game three of the regular
season next year, so he can then veto a trade anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
So so if the Diamondbacks are going to trade and
it's gonna be the off.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Season, yeah, it's gonna they can't afford.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
To wait because then then then they're then they're limited.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
And even and even right now, like he's got a
no trade class or no trade list the Phillies aren't
on it right, so like they're not they're not on it.
So again I've said this the last couple of weeks.
I love could tell Marte please give me that guy
if you if there's anybody on the market that's a
potentially available free agent or trade editor, give me. Can

(01:40:41):
tell Marte I love him so much.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
What's he gonna cost a couple of prospects he's gonna
be He's gonna be expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
He's gonna be expensive.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
It'll it'll probably be one of your big three prospects
at least if not.

Speaker 8 (01:40:56):
If not, both of them were two out of three. Yeah,
so if you have you have him for five years.
He's at like twenty MILLI year, which is twenty million year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
He's thirty two, thirty three, so he'd fit right in
with the Jerry Atric club.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Mm hmmm. Again, Like he's he's I think he's in
the same like Noman s though, like he's gotten better
the older he's gotten. Yeah, and he's a better power
guy from the right hand side.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
That he definitely is.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
And he's a switch hitter. It's second base and he's
a gold glove second basement.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Like you get I mean, I don't want to steal
Tommy's on there, But tom Tommy brought up a crazy
idea that I would absolutely love. Okay, you'd bring Marte in,
put him at second, yep, move Bryson over to short
and move trade a third.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Sure, why not.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Tommy? That was Tommy's crazy idea on Thursday he brought
that up.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
So Alex Bohum is not in the plan.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
It just doesn't seem like it. Yeah, I mean he
is for now because he's obviously our starting right now.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Not in Tommy's plan.

Speaker 7 (01:42:08):
He wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Well, no, no, in that scenario.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
Yes, in that scenario, then I'm in on that scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
But I think even the Phillies are trying to trade him.
They just I don't think anybody wants them.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
I just I just don't think the Philly is going
to pay him. So all right, well he's got.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Why would you want to pay?

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
Right again, I wouldn't want to like that. There's but
if you're not going to pay the guy, then move on,
because I don't think they're gonna pay Bryson Scott either,
So move on, and they're not gonna pay Brandon Marsh,
move on, Go get somebody else to put in these spots, right,
like again, like you're you're going.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
I think of the group, I think of those three,
I think Bryson's the one that sticks around.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
I think so too because of the relationship with Bryce.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
Well, I just also think he's he's a more he's
a better hitter than.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
All of them here, better defensively, Like again, I love
Bryson Scott. Of those guys, I'd rather have him back
than the other two, right, Like, I like him a lot,
But again, it's still it's frustrating. Like look if just
because of how streaky all these guys are, right like it,
it's super frustrating.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
I was like, I want to give Bryson Scott as
many chances to hit as possible because he's come up
big in the playoff series before versus those other guys
have it well A marsh was decent in the playoffs
this year. But either way, like, still just so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Yes, yeah, so we'll see what they do. It's it
doesn't look good right now. It definitely doesn't look good
right now, but it is still early. Ah, no, more meetings,
they have.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
More, they have more questions right now than answers, since yep,
we had at we got all this money though, we
got this TV contract, we got this big I don't
get it. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
I think I think I talked to like we were
arguing about the Schober thing last week, and I'm like, oh,
with all this money, I'm like, you get that money
back in like one season or like less than a season.
Like ticket it's just ticket revenue, not even anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
How can you make the argument that the Phillies are
more equipped to win a World Series without Kyle Schwarber
next year?

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
It's crazy what it's not my money?

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
No, you're right there. My old pushback was just but
we've seen it, like, we've done it for three years
and it hasn't worked, So let's try something new and again.
As it's turning out it's turning out to be just Swarber,
you know, I mean, Schwimmer and real teeth, Like we're
just resigning all our guys and added a Cuban Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Castianos ye, so we need more Cuban play it. I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
I'm in on that. It's just I was hoping that
we could do something like if you're not having to
pay that one hundred fift a million to Schoreber. You
can allocate that differently.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
Yeah, so you can allocate it differently, right, but like
let's let's you know, you don't you're not paying any
single guy one hundred and fifty million dollars. How you're
breaking it up because you're not you're not signing anybody
that's gonna move the needle.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
No, you're not wrong, like you're like you're.

Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
Like Alonso got the same exact contract, right, Tucker's getting
more than that. Bellingers don't get more than that, The
Chets don't get more than that. Ragman Interial probably get
more than that. Like all of these guys are gonna
be paid more money that are like okay, cool like
in that same like top like like options to sign
right and then unless you're trading for a guy who

(01:45:45):
I don't even like, a mystical guy on the market
that you can then extend, like that a guy that
you would want to extend isn't available right now, yep, right,
Like unless like I said, I said, I should have
traded a tail Award or Joe Adell. I would have
liked either of those moves, but they weren't going to
trade both of them and you let the Orioles do it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Yeah, so like that the same thing. What you know,
whether we like it or not, how much does that
move the needle because both of those guys were one
or one year wonders. I mean, Ward finally was healthy
for a year, for a full year, so you got more,
but Adele's been abysmal up until this year.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Yeah, we're doing something different, but.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
You go, that's it. It's the different side of it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
You're right, Like, give me something different. Like if you
run the same eight guys that finished the season last
year with a rookie, like like we're doing this again,
Like really, we're doing this again.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
Yeah, they're relying on Andrew Painter and Justin Crawford to
be all Stars and they might be, but it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Won't be one. No, not not in your window where
Bryce is in his prime, trade Turners in his prime.
Like these guys are like in their mid thirty like
almost mid thirties now, like they're only getting older and
they're still here for the next seven years, right, so
or something like that, like even though these guys are

(01:47:16):
still here, your window is this big versus these are
the contracts. So let's find this window maximize the next
two or three years. Out shit, go out and pay.
Go pay Kyle Tucker fifty million dollars a year for
the next three years. Go do it? Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
That's I mean, that's what I would have done for
for Schwarber. You want one hundred fifty million, three year
one hundred and fifty million. I don't give a shit.
I just my own issue is just to five years.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Fair enough either way, like watching five years, thirty million
dollars is gonna be nothing. Guys are be making eighty
million dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
I mean he definitely partlad that contract though, I mean
contract ends up being the same as as Harper's. Yeah,
no again at the end of it, at the end
of the term.

Speaker 4 (01:48:01):
Really good for him, man. Again, like I said last week,
he's been better than Harper the last couple of years contract,
so good for him.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Yeah, but you have three guys that you paid the
big money to and you have to build around them.
And I don't have any comments they can build around them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
They haven't built around him yet.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
Nope. Closest he got was the first year you got
made in the playoffs. That first year back in when
you had you know, the core and Bryce Harper and
then and that was it, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Would you trade all the prospects for schoobl Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
How old scream?

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
When you got and you get Schooble?

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
How old school, dude? I love Tower school.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
I would do it in five seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
How old is he?

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
My only hesitation, I love him, I don't. My only
hesitation is is I would, But but what offense is
going to be behind him? Like he you know what
I mean? I think the Tigers are better than this
current team. No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
I don't think so. I would trade Painter, that's take.
I would trade Painter and Crawford in a heartbeat for
schoobl And then you can take That's not that's not enough. No,
you can take any of the other top five. I
think give him. I think Aiden Miller is going to
be an absolute monster.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
The one good thing about the one good thing about
it is I don't know that they need Aiden Miller
because they have Kevin McGonagall, who's just who's just about
the crossover at the top of the system. He's like,
I think he's the number one prospect in baseball right now.
So we could potentially keep Miller. Yes, I mean, what's

(01:49:58):
real realistically, I'm doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Whatever you tell me. Stupid guys too, you want Mark stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
Again, Like look here, I'll give you Andrew Paynter, Justin Crawford, Uh,
Castiano's boom Stott, and then three more prospects that aren't
Ada Miller for Targe Schoobol right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Now, yeah, five seconds, I'm in, and then sign it.
You gotta then you gotta commit, which is why they
won't do it because their pussies is because they'll have
to pay Tyler Scooble a bunch of money and they'll
put them over the luxury tacks.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
No, then they'll just because Wheeler's contract comes off the
books next year. Next year comes off the books. You
could probably move Aaron Nola. At some point you just
said you off the books.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
You backloaded so so so the major money hits after
Zach Lease.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
Yep, yep. So you can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
You can absolutely do it and not have to pay
loaxury tax. Sure, and he's not that he's not gonna
do it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
I've done the ship in the world, but we.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Got we got teams out here. It's not spending any money.
And that's cool, right, but you want to you want
to harm the teams that want to spend money. Makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
There should be a luxury floor and a luxury tax.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
That's exactly it. That's that's the way you handle it.
It's got there's got to be a floor.

Speaker 7 (01:51:31):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Speaking of that though, real quick, I will give credit
to Pittsburgh for at least throwing their name and throwing
their hat in there. But you offered them the money.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
You offered them the money and it was real right.
You weren't in the ballpark.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
You were a whole year off it was it was
or whatever it was whatever that so you were off.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
But that was a real offer though.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
That was the biggest contract I've ever offered anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Yeah, that was a real offer. So I will I'll
crush you as much as I can, but I'll give
you credit there. You did. You did do it at
least well.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
They should then throw money at Kyle Tucker and Alex
Bragman and like, because dude, if they should be in
on Talker, they should be on everybody like you should.
You have Paul Skans, The dude is absolutely discussed.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Not only you have Paul Skis you have Bubba Chandler,
the local kids, Solimento, they have Mitch Keller. To Mitch Keller.
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
They should be on everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
They should be in on everybody. M Like it should be. Oh,
these teams are in on and the pirates and the
pirates and the pirates.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
They should be on j T get get a veteran
backstop behind all those guys. Yeah there, I know he wouldn't,
but like they should be in on him. There's another
guy that they should be in on.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
Well, they got I think again. I think they're one
of the teams that doesn't to admit that they messed
up on on on the Harry Davis pick. Mm hmm.
You know, they directed him one to one and they're
just still trying to make that work. But they're loaded
in the farm system. They just don't have anybody any

(01:53:18):
talent close to the big league or at the big
league level offensively.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
At least if they.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
And hey, they could how about that one too, that
would be stupid, that'd be crazy, unfortunately, but.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
They're all gonna lose one nothing games.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Well, I mean, if you got those two guys and
you're showing out money, you'll get guys.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
You'll get guys that would be crazy. That would be
that might have been. That might be one of the
craziest happenings on an offseason if it does.

Speaker 6 (01:53:55):
If that does, that would be awesome because like, you
wouldn't expect that all of their.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
Top prospects or pitching prospects. That's not Connor Griffin.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Yeah, I forgot what.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Yeah, he's good. He's in It says twenty seven, but
he's only nineteen, so, like, I know, he tore it up,
like and yeah or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
You traded nineteen year old for Tyler School True School
any day of the week. Oh yeah, absolutely, every nineteen
I had I would trade for him.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
He's so good. Yes, but again, he plays it. He
plays the middle infield, and that's not what perception wise,
that's not what.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
This year.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
It says who Barco counter Barco. Yeah, he should be
up this year.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Perception wise, they don't need middle infield Detroit. I'm saying yeah,
because Kevin McGonagall is getting ready to take over. But yeah,
I mean, if that's who you got to give up
to get to scooball though, like why not?

Speaker 4 (01:55:06):
Yeah, honestly, dude, at this point, I would hate this
like for the Phillies. I would hate it if they
traded for Louis Lewis Robert. I would hate it because
I've been telling my buddy he's a white Sox fan.
I don't want him for years. But even at this point,
he'd be like, all right, it's something different.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Something different, something, here's another name that the logger. He
keeps lingering out there. You never know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
I think he stinks. I don't think he would be
good here. I think it'd be an awful trade, right,
and then you have to end up paying so like,
but it'd be something different. I'd rather watch him strike
out fifty times a week than fucking Brandon Marsh again.
So like again, at least he's right handed, he's right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
He's right hand, and at least he plays a decent
center field.

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
Yeah, then you can move again. You could take some
pressure off of Crawford, go put him in left field,
or you can shift them out like yeah, I don't know, man,
I need something to happen. Yeah, which I think Dombrowski
is full of ship. There's no way they're done, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
No well, I'm hoping. I'm hoping, man, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Maybe it's the hope. I mean, man, I don't know.
We'll see, but there's no way you can look at
this line be like yeah we got that. We're good. Yeah,
we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
No absurd All right, well Brinks dropped out. That's that's
our cue to drop out as well.

Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Tom raowens with us earlier. Birds play on Saturday. Remember
that Saturday game?

Speaker 5 (01:57:01):
Today?

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
This week we will catch you. Well, maybe we won't
catch you next week Christmas Eve Eve for Christmas Eve.
You might not catch you next week.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
Next week, man, I will be in Florida. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Oh yeah, there you go. Greg Miller's what do you
think of Jung Hu Lee? Who is that? Greg worked
him up real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:57:20):
He's been an outfielder for Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Is that the Giants guy?

Speaker 5 (01:57:26):
Giants?

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
I like him, but you know it doesn't doesn't wow
me though. I mean I had him in fantasy. He
was pretty decent, but you know, yeah, like it wasn't
didn't bowl me over. Uh, but so maybe we'll see
you next week. Who knows. Regardless, Happy holidays, Happy Honikan

(01:57:48):
of those who uh who's uh celebrate Merry Christmas to everybody. Uh,
we will see you soon. Whenever it is, we'll be back.
Maybe we will. I don't know. We might be back
off two weeks Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve.

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
Oh man, let's do it. Might do a Thursday show.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
You might do something.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
Yeah, we'll figure it out to do Thursday next.

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