November 18, 2025 • 56 mins
The Philadelphia Eagles' Defense completely shut down the explosive Detroit Lions Offense in a stunning performance at Lincoln Financial Field. Jared Goff and the high-powered Lions' offense, which entered the game averaging over 30 points, were held to single digits and couldn't convert critical third and fourth downs.
In this episode of Eagles Talk, we discuss the performance of the Eagles defensive performance and which players impressed us the most. We analyze the pressure on Jared Goff, the shocking third and fourth-down conversion rates of the Lions, and what this stifling defense means for Philadelphia's Super Bowl aspirations.
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In this episode of Eagles Talk, we discuss the performance of the Eagles defensive performance and which players impressed us the most. We analyze the pressure on Jared Goff, the shocking third and fourth-down conversion rates of the Lions, and what this stifling defense means for Philadelphia's Super Bowl aspirations.
CHAT WITH US & SUBSCRIBE!
Twitter Handles:
Chux Maranan: @ChuxMaranan
Pete Young: @MrPhilaSports
Rob Brinkman: @brinksdaman15
Les Bowen: @LesBowen
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hell you.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Fagles, let me get the hell down.
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Filling help beyond.
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people play, iHeartRadio, iTunes. Comments are already firing up. A
lot of people have a lot of strong opinions about
what's going on. There was one There was one side
of the ball that continues to improve every week and
gets more and more elite every week. And we have
the other side of the offense, which seems to get
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worse and more puzzling every week.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
It's not puzzling, it's not puzzling.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Very puzzling based on the talent. Unless you're living under
a rock, you know that we are referring which unit
we are referring to with each statement. Comments will get
to them, but I mean, we'll start with the good,
the good, and then we will talk at length about
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the bad and why it's bad and what needs to change.
But the good part of the game. You beat the
Lions sixteen to nine on the back of your defense
once again, and the Eagles are currently the best team
in the NFC despite their lingering offensive struggles. Agree or disagree,
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Py go ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, Like I understand that the Eagles offense isn't like
blowing anything up right now, Like they're not like exciting
for the last few weeks. Like if you look at
the Rams game, like they had one great drive and
that was really it. Like they're as of my opinion
right now, they're the only other team I really put
much stock in the bucks of free fall. Seattle got
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put in their place, Like Sam Darloald is exactly who
we thought he was, Like I'm just not really the
Packers are not a team that really is scaring me,
Like this the whole season is gonna be the Eagles
to lose like they have the elite defense. Still you
can argue your weakest thing on the defense right now,
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you are looking at like pass rush past rush is
starting to look like it's coming on. Your guys are
getting healthy. Joined Davids and Jalen Carter are playing Stella
right now. Maura Dromo and Jalx Hunt are coming on
right when you need them to. Laura Drumo is probably
having his best year as an Eagle. Jalen Phillips is
just sweet baby Jesus, Like he's all over the field,
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like he is exactly what you could be asking for.
And Na Kobe ded who expected this off his injury.
Anyone who says yes is a liar, Like he's playing
out of his mind to the point where like I
just I can't, I can't imagine like how well he's
playing right now, like I because nobody expected this, Like
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he's putting he's putting the rookie yacht on the shelf
right now just because of how Stelle or his play is.
Like the offense isn't great, like the play conks not great,
Like all these things are a big factor, but like
if the defense is able to play as as stellar
as they are right now. I don't know if I
need the offense to be exceptional. I just need it
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to be average at best. And this defense is showing
that it's good enough to help you win big games.
It's shown you the last two weeks. You beat the
Packers and the Lions without having to score twenty points
Like that is an insane statement that nobody thought was
humanly possible.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Like, I just need the line to block a little better.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Maybe we get Jalen to play a little better, which
he will, like he's going He's not gonna play every
game like he played the Lions game.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That was just probably his worst game of the season.
Can I get an.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Average or above average game every day from Jalin Hurts?
I feel one hundred percent confident that you to make
it back to Super Bowl, even win the Super Bowl
with the way this defense is playing. So with al
Shabow doubt the Eagles. They're the cream of the crop
in the NFC right now.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Less obviously the defense is really good, the offense is
really bad, and that's what it is. It's bad. Just
a teaser to how I'm going with the offensive discussion
later on the show. But are they still Are they
the favorites in the NFC with with an offense this
bad and a defense is good. Can that work in
twenty twenty five, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
The offense is going to have to get better. Rob
As far as the poll question goes, are they the
best team in the NFC? They beat the Rams on
a block field goal. I don't know that I'd want
to play the Rams right now, but I think they
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can beat the Rams in the playoffs. That's the main
competition that I see. Really, I think they will be
the best team in the NFC by the end of
the sea and assuming no more ridiculous. I mean, this
Lane Johnson injury is a pretty big deal by the way,
But yeah, I I'll go with the Eagles as the
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best team. I the offense, though, you know, you're not
gonna win. You're not gonna just keep going week after
week after week, getting out gained by the opposition and uh,
you know, scoring under twenty points and one touchdown a
game and winning. You know, it's it's ridiculous that they
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ended up with sixteen points last night. When the other
team turns it over basically six times, five on downs
and one on an interception. You got to score some points.
Ye know, I just thought it was what it was.
It was a really memorable game in that maybe one
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of the top five defensive performances I've ever witnessed and
maybe one of the bottom five offensive hormances I've ever witnessed,
all in the same game. So, no, they are gonna
have to be better offensively, There's no doubt about it.
I don't know how that happens. It probably starts with
the offensive line playing better. I think there has to
be some growth and some direction from Kevin Petullo and
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Sirianni in terms of making the offense less scattershot, making
it more. You know, they can't run three plays right
now in a row without stepping on an appendage. You know,
they take a penalty or incomplete pass that you know
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for minus four yards, or a run that loses yardage.
They just they can't run a clean series. And that's
kind of striking frankly.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, they were the best team in the NFC going
into the week by kind of a lot. In my opinion,
I don't think there's a team, at least talent wise
that can hang with the Eagles in the NFC. So
they go and they beat a good Detroit team. I
don't really care that they got away with they got
a cheap eat on the past interference at the end
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of the game. I don't care that Dan Campbell is
just necessary, unnecessarily reckless when he doesn't have to be.
I don't care that Jared Goff played worse than Jalen Hurts,
even though Jalen Hurts did not play his best game.
Uh And I don't care that the Eagles they're they're
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a bad offense and they still beat everyone. It's it's unbelievable.
Uh So, I think there's a pretty wide I think
there's a significant gap between the Eagles and the Rams.
I mean the Rams. I know the score got close,
but I feel that the score didn't really indicate how
badly the Rams outplayed the Seahawks. I mean Tampa. Tampa
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gets over got overrated in their own mind at the
beginning of the season because everyone went nuts over Baker Mayfield.
I mean Green Bay. No, Chicago Bears are beating you
in a big spell. We'll find out in a couple
of weeks. But even the Bears winning in a couple
of weeks. Caleb Williams coming into the link to beat
the Eagles. I don't see that. I mean, I can't
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really unless I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and
predict injuries because we have a pretty big, big one
to talk about with Lane Johnson being out four to
six weeks, with the Liz Frank and less more stuff
like that happens to really really key players. I don't
really see how the Eagles aren't playing in February. I agree,
I really don't. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
P y.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You hit the nail on the head with the Kobe Dean.
He is essentially made Jehad Campbell, your first round draft pick,
who was playing very well, not bad at all for
a rookie. Some highs and lows. He's gonna be a
final way to be a little more consistent. But Toobe
Dean has been excellent. Jalen Phillips has been excellent. The
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defensive line. Last night, I don't have the stats, and
everywhere had more. They had more tip passes at the
line of scrimmers that I would imagine.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
D had three.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, it was amazing. Jordan Davis a guy that when
he came, you know, a year ago, even you would
have said he's rarely out there on passing down.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So it's one of their best defensive players this year.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, and and let's not for let's give credit where
credits due. Number eight Adri Jackson has established himself as
quarterback too. Uh. He played great against the Packers, and
he played even better last night.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Against He had a few he had a few moments
of trouble last night, but for the majority of the game,
like you could trust him, like he was he made
some good plays. He had a few stops in the
end zone, like he had a few good tackles. Like
It's exactly the type of game you wanted to see
from Dorri, especially when you're having the goal against am Ross,
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Saint Brown.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And Jaloux. Hunt continues to it's I've never seen anything
like this where one side of the ball gets better
every week as it's supposed to, and the other side
of the ball, which frankly has more talent on it,
on it and the more money, more money and more
talent on it than the defensive side of the ball,
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gets worse every week. It's like we hit the bye
week and they forgot everything.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, the only thing I would say, you're right, You're
absolutely right. The only thing I would say about that
is the defense has gotten reinforcements that the offense didn't get.
You know, Noen Smith coming back, Jalen Phillips being added,
and the Kobe Dean, even Brandon Graham. Yeah, I mean
that that's a that's a healthy infusion to the defense.
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The offense hasn't had anything like that. And you're at
the point with the offensive line where frankly, you'd kind
of like you wouldn't mind seeing them pick up somebody
from somewhere for depth. You know, at this point, it's uh,
it's it. They the end of last week when they
were trumpeting the fact that, oh, Jurgens and Johnson are
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both going to play, I.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Was like, I wouldn't have given them the extra week.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I wouldn't have No, it isn't a great idea. And
I was, you know, and I was taking crap on
social media for me saying, yeah, if I was Jurgons,
I'd let this now. I mean, you know, they went
out there. That's very noble of them to do it.
But they're both hurt now, and you know it's with Lane,
it's going to be along. I'm gonna have a lot
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of Fred Johnson at right tackle. They survived that at
left tackle last year with Fred if you remember, he
had what was it four starts for meant to look
that up before we came on the air, and I did.
He had several starts for Jordan Mylotta and the Eagles
won those games. But Lane Johnson is one of their
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best players, you know, and it's it's a big deal
that he's not going to be here, and it's not
going to help that offense get any kind of rhythm.
There's a lot going on there, it seems like to me,
and I don't like much of it.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Let's get them some comments here. We got a lot
a lot of defense, love their defense, Yes, Wayne Bickell
twenty six seventy through the offense is terrible and we'll
get and will not get the job done as the
season gets deeper. All the all the whole hard games
are all the hard games are over?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like we've beat the Chiefs, we've beat the Rams, we've
beat the Bucks, we've beat the Packers, we've beat the Lions. Like,
what's what's the stellar like apponent that we're supposed to face?
Like you're arguing, like your best people are what the
the Bears and the Chargers. I think the I think
the Bears are going to be our toper opponent than
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the Chargers at this point because the Bears are really.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm not really scared of a team that lost thirty
five to six the Jaguars yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, yeah, right, that was really strange.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, Grendall, I hope I'm saying that right. Thanks for
how much checking in with us. What do you think
about Seth Joyner that you're trying to Seth Joyner, who
does a post game show somewhere I see him on
a lot, comments that Jalen Music is going off on
his on his own and freestyling.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Rather than I think that is what he means.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Well, considering the play calling your ship, Yeah, like, what's what's.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
The problem but protection, freestyling and not being playing in
a team.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I don't think that's true. I think you know this
started with that business last week about the long shot
on fourth down. Well that was the call. Now there
might have been a couple of different options within that call,
but no, it wasn't a matter. Some people tried to
pretend that somebody had said that Jalen and AJ just
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decided to do this, that is not the case. And
I don't think there's a lot of freestyling in this offense.
Does he freestyle into a run that loses four yards?
I don't think so. What would he be freestyling exactly?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
What?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What are crazy plays is he coming up with? They
do the same crap over and over, and they do
it poorly, yes, taking penalties and you know, not having
good spacing and things like that. I don't see Jalen.
Jalen played poorly yesterday, but I don't see that he
has rested control of the offense from somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Sorry, miss Matt Berg Matt Burk seventy seven, twenty and
done with the Jalen.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Jalen sets team culture and franchise up to be able
to play well in big games. No players done that
before and he didn't know before him in Eagles history.
And the last part is especially true. I'm not in
the lasts. I have never had a clutch quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
To any reports from some clowns over Chi Keeps sports,
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I like I like Seth Joy there.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I keep hearing everyone talking about Derek derekn They're.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Like, oh, he's clued in.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I said, sure, maybe like five years ago he was
as clued into anybody, But those days are gone.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Like he still talks to some people, I'm sure he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
It's not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's yeah, if you're not down there and people have agendas,
exactly you are down there people. The one thing I
learned as a reporter, people have agendas. We don't know,
we don't know what the situation is on.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I know either, But to call out, come out and
called this a Carson Wentz two point zero situation is ridiculous. Yeah,
And like I Derek Gun's a phenomenal reporter over the years,
but like that's just uncalled for. I'm like, where's the evidence,
Like where's where's the backing this up? Like where are
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we getting this Carson Wentz two point zero nonsense? Like
they just they're eight and two, they just beat the Lions.
Where was this stellar reporting from Derek Gunn when they
lose to the the when they walked to the Giants,
and when they lost to the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Where was this report? Then?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Uh, here's Greg Miller. I don't believe the rams remaining
schedules a cakewalk. They have to play at the bucks.
The Seahawks, the Lions, the Panthers, and the Falcons. I
had no I just react to what I see what
I'm seeing on the field. When you have Look, when
you have good football teams like the Eagles and the Rams,
do you don't care about the schedule? Nope, you just don't.
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You just win, baby, Like, how many those games are
the Rams gonna be? I guess it depends on where
they are. Of the Bucks game, I believe that's this week,
So I would assume they would be favored against the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, even on the road. Ye, the Seahawks,
they should be favored against. I don't know, maybe not
on the road in Seattle, because that was in LA yesterday. Yeah,
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the Ramps are better than the Lions. The Lions are not.
I came away from that game really with more doubts
about the Lions than than the Eagles, sitting down there
watching it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Certainly about GoF you know, I mean Goff really as
well as the Eagles defense played, their biggest feat was
they just got that guy so far out of his
comfort zone that he was just a basket case by
the end of the game. And Yeah, that would that
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would really worry me if I were Detroit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And Carson wentz wishes he wanted to clar Yeah, I
mean yeah, Carson hit the ground running, and I guess
it was the second year as a starter as far
as a rookie, and it went okay. They went right
around five hundred if I remember correctly. Then then he
took the league by storm. Then he was hurt, and
then he just couldn't figure out how to win football games.
Jalen Hurts always figures out how to win football games.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, it doesn't always look perfect, it doesn't always look
like it should, but guess what, when the game's on
the line. I don't think there's a quarterback next to
maybe Mahomes that I trust. More like, when you need
him to do what he needs to do to win
that big game, he does it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Greg Mocket. Lions on the road average at home, they're
pretty good. I saw a lot of sec talent on
the field last night from Collegiate, and I think they
like I don't think they like the cold a lot
or the wind. Yeah, thankfully we don't have to worry
about the Lions in Detroit. Nope, the playoffs, Nope, they're.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Gonna have to come probably not.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Probably not the Lions, nor the Lions nor the Packers
are in first place in the NFC. Come here, you're
gonna come here, bears. All right, So we've been itching.
It's it's offensive tough time and high. Yes, it has
to be, because it's so easy. It's way easier to
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do this profession p y when when things are are stinky.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, there's more to talk about. There's more to talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
More to talk about. People engage more because they're pissed off.
Now there's only that. You can only be so pissed
off because you're eight two. Yes, all right, So if
we go around the table, we'll start with you less
in the top. The main issue with this offense is
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what blank.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I want to say, offensive line, but I'm going to
say play design and play calling. I REALONK that's the bigger,
the bigger of the two issues. Offensive line has had
a lot to do with it, though. They just can't
block a running play to save their life, and that's
killing them because they're trying to be a running team
again like they were last year now and they don't.
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They can't get the results. They can't get to second
and third down, manageable. You know, either they take a
penalty or the run gets blown up.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But the.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Sequencing, the concepts. I saw a lot today on the
internet about you know, trying to run curls against press
coverage and you know the AJ Brown thing. Yeah, I
he did stop running on that one play, but that's
the only How many times do they send him down
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the sideline every game? You know, it's like he's the
guy that has like that's the only way to throw
the ball to AJ Brown Half the time, it seems
like I don't like the offense. I don't like the
way it's run. I don't like the the lack of innovation.
I don't like the I just don't it looked it
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never comes together for me. If they have success, it's
because Jalen pulled something out of his butt on third
and fourteen or something like that. You know, it's never
running smoothly and consistently.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Pee why it's Patoula.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
What if I had been saying he is the problem
and I'm sorry, you know, I didn't caress his head
and tell what a good job you've been doing lately
at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
But like going to be no caressing of a Are
you sure, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I was told I was all too mean for him
a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know, like the creativity.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I'm running a lot creativity is atrocious. There's no motion whatsoever.
The routes are garbage. You're throwing out Grant cal Kazara
for was it thirty plus snaps to block? Greg Calcatara
is one of the worst blockers in the NFL. Kyle's
Grandson's whole job to be here is to block, and
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you're throwing him out there on an explosive third and
sixth play on the left hash for whatever reason, genius,
You're throwing Saque out there as as a fullback and
you're you're running Tank Bigsby on his side. Nobody, and
I mean nobody thought the ball was going to take.
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Everybody knew that Saua was getting that ball and it
blew up. And like, obviously you could look at the
offensive line and say they're a big part, and they
are a big part of it, But like I think
the majority of the reason is it's injuries. They're still
not recover from the Super Bowl. Landon that keeps getting hurt,
Cam keeps getting hurt, Lane keeps getting hurt. Your most
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consistent player right now is Tyler seeing my Lota has
been atrocious, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Was great in past pro last night against Ayton Hutchinson,
but he didn't again the run game. He took a
penalty that demigated a good run. You know, I don't
know what's going on there, but yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Through the only interesting concept last night you threw lots
of in at fullback for a few plays, and he
looked good.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I'd like to see more of that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
We went from oh my god, we're running Jalen out
of under sander.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
We're getting a lot of great pool plays. You know,
we're getting him running I'll play action, which is great.
We had a few plays a few weeks ago where
Jane was running to the right hand side and he's
throwing it together and it's like a goddamn cheek code.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
But we're just not going away from that.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's puttulo like I'm sorry, Like I don't understand this,
like bench him, put lawfuler in there, like.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
He's at least called plays before. I don't care. Can
we stop with just throwing the guys in there?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
It always been in the system. He knows the system,
he knows what the guys want. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like I've called this just the beginning of the season.
Patullo is the problem and he's going to be the.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Problem moving forward.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
If I have to choose between an idiot offensive coordinator
who can't get out of my weight or the franchise quarterback,
give me, give me, give me one all freaking day
like it's Puttulo. Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
This is a bad offense and it's not. It's not
because of lack of talent. There's plenty of talent. The
only thing I can say in Papool's defense that I
thought he had a good script. They came out, they
got the ball first. DeVante Smith dropped the pass on
the sidelines that frankly needs to be a catch. It's
a difficult catch, but it needs to be a catch
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Dallas Goddard. They had Dallas Goddard free on a crossing route.
I believe that was second down. Uh. That killed the
drive right in his bread basket and would have been
a monster run after catch play for Dallas Goddard. Stone
drop right in the bread basket. Uh. And they also
I believe it was the second drive, so new drive.
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They hit the Vonte Smith uh settled down in his
zone on an option route right to him, would have
had a chance to turn it up field and do
something with it, and he dropped the football. Devonte. That's
the first time I've ever come away from a game
in Devonte Smith's career where I said that guy played.
Devonte Smith played bad. He's a tremendous receiver, but he
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did not have it last night. That's the only thing
you can say is early drops could have stunted the
momentum of a plan that Kevin be successfully concocted during
the week. But this is a bad offense. This is
a bad offense. They're doing bubble screens. They don't do
the bubble screen as well that they're.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Lining up the worst choices.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Empty set five wide. I saw a bunch of times
last night. It didn't work. Once you're throwing swim passes
to say Kwan Barkley for eight yards, this is a
bad offense. You just call it what it is. They're
eight and two and the favorites to represent the NFC
in it with a bad offense. Unless I've been to
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the I've been to a lot of football games while
you were the beat writer of the Philadelphia Eagles, and
this offense reminds me of the early Dono mc nabers
that had Do Staley and Chad Lewis, who were okay,
They were okay, certainly not game breakers, could be at times,
but not game breakers. And you had the Nay Browns,
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the Torn Smalls, the James Thrashes, and the Todd Pinkstins
as Donovan Nabs made main weapons. And it was run, run, punt, run,
run past, punt, run, run past punt. Ye know the
Rams that have the greatest show on turf in nineteen
ninety nine, The Eagles have the least greatest show on
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turf right now. It's the run up the middle, run
up the middle, incomplete pass and then a punt. Poor
Brandon Mann, he's gonna need leg surgery after the season.
They're using so much. I'm getting on him about him
not kicking the ball as far as he did in
the beginning of the season. The guy must be tuckered
out as all hell. He plays the most of anybody
on the whole damn team. It's unbelievable, and that this
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offense should not be anemic like this with these receivers
and this running back, and even though the line is
banged up. I'm watching the Raiders team right now on
Monday Night Football in the background here. That would absolutely
kill to have the Eagles off the second string offensive
line as their starting offensive line, because there's that that horrendous.
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I've been patient with Kevin Petulo on this show, very
very very patient with Kevin Petullo for him to try
and get this, get his legs under him, and get
this ship on the track. It's not happening the Eagles do,
whether it's Nick or a loafer or an outside con
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So I don't really care they're going in. They're going
down to Dallas in a game that Dallas is gonna
have to have, have to have to stay relevant in
the NFC playoff picture. If the Eagles beat Dallas next week,
which I think they will, I think that the NFC
East is really unlocked. But you can't continue to let
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this guy learn on the job heading into December. He's
had his chances. I've been patient. My patience is gone.
I can't have a bad offense with this, with this payroll,
in this talent that they have on the offensive side
of the ball. So I am. I am officially on
board with the masses and the masses and the knee
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jerk people that wanted them fired and seconds into the season.
I mean, I think that was super unfair. Still, but
he's had his chance. He's had a chance. I mean,
this isn't This isn't some tryout, you know situation here.
This is we're trying to repeat his Super Bowl champions
and build something special. And there's nothing about Kevin Batoula's
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play design and play calling that's special. Nothing. He signs
of life, faint signs of life before the bye, and
then they took a week off where you assume they
would work on some things and get better, and they're
back to square one. It's it's just it's so bad.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I would take Brian Johnson calling plays right now.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Because even when Brian was like all over the place
and his whole issue was his lack of finger on
the pulse, do a lack of play calling history in
the NFL, you were at least putting up points.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
The only issue was you.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Didn't have the defense to bail you out at times,
and Jalen was playing hero ball every two minutes. That's
not the case right now. Jalen is being smart and
conservative with the football, throwing it when he needs to.
And the defense right now is phenomenal, Like this isn't
the twenty twenty three defense where you're just the worst
in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Agree, there's.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Nixon, gritty nineteen eagrews pe Y. It's with the Kevin Patula,
Kevin Petullo is there, Chris Kaufman Junior, Kevin Patullo is
there to fall on the sort of things go sideways.
I mean that's not because that that that that works
under the assumption that no would give him credit when
things went right. He's not just a fall guy. He's
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the offensive coordinator. He calls the plays.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Like, is the premise there that it's really Sirianni's offense.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
I don't know, and I know I just yeah, well,
I mean it didn't look like this last year with
Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, exactly at times he did any extended period of time.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Uh, But we've also seen what this looks like with
other people like he saw, We've seen what it looks
like with Shane Stich and officially we've seen what it
looks like with Kellen Moore. Maybe it took a little
bit longer to get things situate with Kellen Moore running
the show. But eventually I even saw Brian Johnson's offense
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looking competent for eleven weeks. This is not the case,
Like I wasn't talking about bad routes in uncreativity with
Brian Johnson. Maybe the screens to Julio Jones every three
second was pissing me off, but I never once was
talking about routes or things like that, Like there would
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be technical stuff that would be pissing me off, not
like the offense as a whole.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, Grenda, when things go, when things on Laurie, he
didn't learn from twenty twenty three. Should Syriann should have
a choice in the offensive corder? He just isn't good enough.
I mean, this is Sirianni's boy, hand picked. Yeah yeah,
but you know what, it's like, best buddy in the
whole world.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I love Howie, but how he allowed this to happen.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Like you can say whatever you want about Nick.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They knew what the situation was going to be heading
into this season, and they allowed this to happen. They
made the decision to move with Patullo. Nobody was hiring
Kevin Patulo to be an offense coy. There nobody other
than the Eagles was doing this, so the same thing
in twenty three, nobody was hiring Brian Johnson. You could
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have you could have looked at other people. Heck, your
wife Scott law for enough to hire him as a
quarterback coach. Why not look at him as how possible
offensive coordinator candidate? Like there were guys out there, and
maybe you just wanted to have someone in the building immediately,
which is fine, but does anything change you spent like
another week looking and seeing who's there offensively, like I
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and I get it, Like you just clear that they
just wanted to have someone here as quick as possible.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But I think coming off the NFC Championship Game and
the Super Bowl, they thought their offense was doing so
well that you know Petullo was part of that and
that it wouldn't change it, that it would be kind
of the same offense this year. And obviously that was
not the case.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Now we're getting into like this not like Sirianni's calling.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
You, No, he's not, he's not, like, but it's his
setup though it's always been his setup and it's never
looked this bad. Yeah, like if every year he's involved
it looked bad and oh, it's clearly Sirianni's fingerprints.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
No, we've seen what happens.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
When you have a good, experienced play caller calling plays,
it's good. And then when you have someone unexperience who
doesn't exactly know the ins and outs of being an
offensive coordinator in the NFL, it looks bad.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Oh. Great, Alex Andelosi one of the best linebackers for Detroit.
He's I think he's number thirty four with the long,
long bonde hair, and he is very good. Yes, he
knew the Eagles were doing before Eagles were going to
run last night. Offensively, it's.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's unriginal. It's not hard to figure.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Out the defense knows what the Eagles are gonna call
before Kevin Patool knows what he's going to call. There's
no creative runs. Run play over and over and over
and over again. I only need to be a run team.
You need to have variations in creativity with what you're
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doing to run the football.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Plays they're gonna call, but you can just look at
the way they're setting everything up and it's just like, oh,
this is clearly going to be a run. This is
clearly going to be a pass. Obviously what play is
being called they don't know, but you can just tell
from the setup what exactly they're looking to do.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Just and now, a struggling offense is going to lose
its best offensive lineman probably essentially for the rest of
the regular season. It's not most of it Lane Johnson
with the Liz Frank injury, so I mean less. This
is obviously a big deal. How big of a deal
is a Fred Johnson has played well, but he's no
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Lane Johnson right.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, what they need to do is recognize the situation
and not have Fred trying to do Lane Johnson things.
You know, there's some plays where they were using Lane,
like Lane would go way out and get a guy
over here, you know, to make a run work. That's
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not going to happen with Fred Johnson. You know, you're
just gonna have to have him block the guy in
front of him, not give up sacks, and hope that
that's good enough. He's not going to be rampaging through
the secondary, you know, the way Lane sometimes does. You're
just gonna have to be simple and pretty, you know,
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leary of that situation and not put Fred Johnson in
a lot of bad spots, I think, and you've got
to be really really concerned if something ever happened to
because after that, I guess it's Matt Pryor, who was
horrible when he had to play earlier this year. So
you know, again, I'd be scouring though the practice squads
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of other teams looking for somebody that could come in
and certainly not start, but somebody you might be a
little better than some of what you've got to tackle,
because that's a that's a big significant thing to have
to play Fred week after week every step. I don't know,
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we'll see if that works.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Jalen Hurts obviously didn't did not play his best game.
I put most of that on the offensive play calling.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
But yeah, I think that really some of those long balls,
I think they had no chance, and I think they
should have thought about that a little bit before they
threw them.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
They didn't.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
They didn't. They didn't think of it at all, and
the Lions thought about it entirely too much. So the
truth lies somewhere in the middle. I mean, shout out
that Dan Campbell for just being unable to get out
of his own way. I mean the guy Jamison Williams,
who's a notorious knufflehead, kind of makes a great play
and scores a touchdown and wants to slide down the
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goalpost like a jackass, making it a instead of a
thirty yard extra point, a fifty yard extra point, and
the wind got a hold of it and it was
and it was gone. They missed. It turned out to
be a big, big, big deal, not only because of
the how the numbers ended up working out, but because
for because Jamison Williams was a jackass. Dan Campbell lost
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confidence in his kicker Jesse Bates, who's actually a pretty
good kicker. Yeah, and he just had no interest in
using his kicker or his punter at all during the
rest of the game, oh for five on fourth down.
The last team to do that was the Detroit Lions,
and in two thousand and two game twenty twenty two games.
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So I mean, this is the same story with this
guy Dan Campbell and Jared Goff was even worse than
Jalen Hurst. Jalen Hurst miss Saquon Barkley on that street
route where Saquon had to beat by three yards and
he overthrow. Was that the wind was at the cold
did Jalen dis miss him? I don't know, but I'd
like to see that. I'd like to see that ball hit.
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Half the deep balls to AJ was just they went
out five wide and thought someone was gonna be open,
and if they weren't, they were just gonna throw throw
it up to AJ and it was gonna be fine.
And it wasn't fine. It was scouted and AJ had
minimal chance on an really no chance on most of
the shots.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I also just think I think the Lions CBS just
the secondary was very well played on.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
AJ for most of the night.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm like, look, maybe AJ slowed down on that one route.
You know, it happens like everyone's not really perfect.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
It's just surprising p Y because the story coming into
the game was how depleted the the Lion's secondary was
gonna be right. That was one of the big stories
that in Sam Laporta was placed on the injured reserve.
He's gonna miss the next four games. And you know,
fans like me were like, okay, little wounded animal here
with the secondary, like they can they can maybe do
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something and put up some points. I'm surprised. I didn't
think it could get any worse than the Green Bay game,
and and last night was worse. Yeah. Yeah, game last
night was worse.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Because of the opportunities, because of all the times they
took They got the ball on the on the other
side of the fifty and just couldn't move it at all.
Uh yeah, it was really was worse.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I agree, even the pick, Like you get a pick
right off the bat, that was the lion's first time
touching the ball. I feel yeah, well, first, yeah, first
you get a tip ball Cooper Degen interception, You get
the ball in the fifteen yard line, and you kick
a field goal like you're sorry. I watched a lot
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of the Bills and Buccaneers game yesterday in the one
and thoft window, and those teams went up the field
on each other at will, and neither of them have horrendous,
dreadful defenses. They're both kind of good. Yeah, so these
one touchdown performances against these good teams is not going
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to get it done. And somehow they're the favorite by
a lot. It's really quite it's quite a case study.
I can't believe that because even the two thousand Ravens,
I looked back, like who had that the amazing defense?
And they went weeks and months on end without even
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getting an offensive touchdown, and they were winning games. They
were never like the favorite. That was back in an
era where the Tennessee Titans had Eddie George and Steve
McNair who were very good. That was during the Rich
Gannon John Gruden Raiders teams that were really good and
can really like the AFC was no job. They were
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never the favorites, even though they had a top defensive unit.
Everyone kind of recognized that this team's not the favorite.
They end up winning, but they were never the favorite.
They would I don't even think they won their division
that year. So like for this team to be the
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favorite with such a one side of the ball being
so horrendous, it's just it's incredible. It speaks to Hallie
Roseman's roster, yep, because then by far top to bottom,
the best roster in the league.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He's on the heather Man Like did you look at
like his the first three rounds from like twenty twenty
one to now, You could basically argue that they've had
one miss like which I think is probably it's probably
Sidney Brown, but like you can at least say he's
a contributor on special teams.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
He's he's he's good death and things like that.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
So like whether or not you want to say it's
like a big miss or anything.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Is up to They've had way worse.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, yes, yes, who's that Who's that speedy linebacker they
took in twenty twenty that everyone thought was going to
be really good?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Oh I didn't think he was going to be that.
He was making a transition from uh, yeah, I remember
you were talking about Yeah. Uh, I don't have it
in front of me right now. I have to look
it up.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
But yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
They've been so good drafting since twenty Taylor Javion Taylor,
that's it. Yeah, but yeah, like I'll take a solid
safety who can contribute on special teams. Like that's not
even like a myss to me. That's just like all right, cool,
we ended up finding someone who's a little better later on.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
But like, like look at all the talent he's found
through the draft, Like obviously you still have your trades
here and there, but like this.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Team is has found diamonds like Moro Charmo in this.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Like what's where he was Like people were scratching their
head about Jalx Hunt, He's looked like a player, like like, obviously,
qu Quentyn's been phenomenal, Cooper Jean's been phenomenal, Jordan Davis,
Jalen Carter, you know obviously, Davonte Laney.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I mean not like obviously.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
What have we ever sat here after an Eagles game saying, wow, Reed,
Blanken Ship really played like garbage today?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
You found an you found a starting safety.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
If just on the road, all right, last thing before
we're getting some final thought or Dallas week coming up.
Dallas is playing right now. They are up big, they
were up big. Uh there's a doubt we're going down
to Dallas next week. But uh, last thing on the offense,
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your your your py your panic meter on the.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Offense, it's probably at a five, really.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Still a five.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
It's it's getting, it's getting, it's getting, it's getting there,
it's getting.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Like if I'm talking about I am fully in favor
of replacing the play caller. To me, if I'm sitting
here bitching and moaning when you're eight and two that
you need a new play caller, that's a ten out
of ten panic meter to me, Hm hmm. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Like the talent is still there, and I do think
they can. They are going to be playing some teams
that they can score points against. It maybe they'll get
into a rhythm. And I'm not quite at that ten
as far as you can go. I mean, that's ten
would be if if Hurts was injured or something like that.
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You know, I'd probably go like a six or something.
I really want to see some changes, but I think
the possibility certainly exists that this is.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
It unfair to me to say that if I don't
see some changes, like a new play caller, that I
have no reason to expect anything different.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Okay, I don't think that's a crazy notion.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
No, going against in Atrocia's Dallas defense, you should see something.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, I think I'm not expecting to. I'm going into
the Dallas game. I'm super confident, obviously, because this football
team just wins and wins and wins in spite of
itself on every level. So I have no reason to
doubt them in the win loss call. But I don't
expect anything different offensively. Next week.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
No, he's gonna be boring, bland and predictable. Or maybe
this week they'll they'll throw out all the stops. Maybe
he'll throw in the fleet liquor maybe half back pass
or something something ridiculous. Kevin Patulo is gonna show you
how creative and ingenious he is.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I mean, if there was ever a time to pull
out the super secret section of the playbook, Kevin, Yeah,
it's next week.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
His pages are stuck together and he doesn't know how
to open the book.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Let's be honest. Maybe he's just saving. Maybe he's just
saving all the good ones for the for the stretch.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Maybe he can't read.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Maybe, and that's what I'm going with, he's saving all
the good ones, the good ones for the stretch run.
Because what he's been doing has been I keep thinking
it can't get worse.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
And it's maybe he's Jamie Fox from like any given
son day where he's just like he's faked it all
the way until this moment and the fact that he
can't read the playbook is finally caught up with him
and he's just too embarrassed to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
H Yeah, I'll breakman. They don't work the middle enough.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes days of the weekend with why Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Some of the Lions, the Lions didn't make very many
good plays last night, but a few of them were
passing over the middle, and I thought, boy, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Nah goes to creativity in my opinion. All Right, it is.
It is Dallas week, always fun. I think we're gonna
go down there and kick their ass.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
I do too.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I like it would be the first time they've ever
beaten them four straight in a while. Like, it's gonna
be like I can't even remember the last time the
Eagles beat down the Cowboys four straight.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
But they're right. I mean, so now we're talking about
a bottom five I mean, a bottom third offense and
a top defense that's nine to two if you win
next week, yeah, which is nuts. And I don't even
know what. I don't even know what a win next
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week would do for the division. I mean, I don't
think it would clinch it, clinch it, but pretty close. Essentially.
It's not even Thanksgiving yet, and the Eagles were already
printing T shirts.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Yeah, don't they play the Chiefs after us?
Speaker 3 (50:38):
They played the Chiefs on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Yes, yeah, they played the Chiefs and then the Lions.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Right, I don't know about that. I don't know, but
they do.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
I think Dallas's defense is getting better. They made that
big trade and then they they got no Sean back
the linebacker who's really good. The guy's been hurt for
a year.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
I think tonight was his Are you talking about Malie Cooker?
Speaker 1 (51:10):
No, no, no, over Sean the Dallas linebacker.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Okay, he came back to because MALIEK. Cooker played for
the first time in a while.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Well yeah, so you know their defense might be okay,
but certainly the Eagles should be able to beat them.
If you get the pass rush that you got last night,
you'll win. Certainly.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
J douff one Jalen needs to stop with the Instagram quotes,
sit down with Smithy and AJ and have a real
heart to heart. He needs to get his team right
back on track.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
So unless he starts calling the plays, I don't give
a shit, like like I would m me, Like, unless
Jalen Hurts says, you know what we're we're calling it
audible on every play, Kevin put too well plays.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
It doesn't really matter what they say to each other.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Like I don't really care. I'm not into like sitting
down and like the raw ros stuff like this isn't
high school middle school football. This is professional football. They
should be able to get it done without having a
heart to heart. And these guys are gonna go on
Instagram and they're gonna have their podcast and they're gonna
do their stuff with the brand. So people like me
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who absolutely hate it can sit here and bitch and
moan about it till we're blue in the face. But
it's not going anywhere. It was reported online that Jeffrey
Lori A J. Brown, told Jeffrey Loriy that he was
gonna tone it down.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, I did see that. I'm looking up that Dallas
thing for you, Pee White. Let's see here. Four wins
in a row against the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
It's probably a long time.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Andy Reid beat him all the time when he did, but.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
He would lose one every now and then just for fun.
I remember once they went down there and try to
an on Psyche on the opening kickoff and Dallas ran
it back for a touchdown and they lost that game.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Well, remember Andy Reid. Remember Andy Reid's first game ever
wall he did the Pickle Juice game.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yes, okay, yeah, from Pickle Juice, which I believe was
September third, two thousand to two thousand and three. Which
I think was the game I'm talking about where they
tried to they screwed up the the on site kick
on the opening kickoff. The Eagles won one, two, three, four, five,
six in a row against that. But that was from
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two thousand to two thousand and three, which I believe
was the Dave Campo era, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
They had some dark days around that time.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Andy used to always talk about what a fine coach
Dave Campo was, and it was very transparent. He just
didn't want them to fire this guy. Can't say enough
about coach Campo down there, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
P Y closing thought, let's beat the Cowboys and fire
Kevin Patulo.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
That's really really well. I mean, I don't think I
think they should bench him from college.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Oh I'm sorry, Fine, we can bench him, like we'll
relegate him to some made up position we've never had before.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Even though, like, even though we're frustrated with him, he
is still part of a nine and two, a eight
and two coaching staff, So having him pack his stuff
and leave the building would be yeah, I think excessively.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
So what hey, Coach Leffler calls the plays this week
and see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Sure, I do that. It can't be worse. It can't
get any worse. The floor is only so well.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Less closing thought.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
My closing thought would be need a good week of
practice with that offensive line. I know who you're gonna have,
don't know, this pie in the sky. Maybe if we
shoot him up, he'll be able to get out there,
you know, practice with the guys who are going to
play and get them ready and you know, don't have
anybody out there on one leg, and get the offensive
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line right and win the game.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
That's really what it is. Just we know the defense
is going to show up, yeah, and we just got
to pray the offense shows up just enough to win
the game. And they have thus far. I mean, I'm
hoping for some type of epiphany and some type of
explosion where just keep hoping maybe they get a touchdown
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on an opening drive, on a big play and it
just it just gets the monkey off the back of
this offense.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I got a rosary at my desk if you need it,
But I really.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Don't think that's going to happen at this point. With
Kevin Patulo as not color, I just don't Yeah, all right,
well that'll do thank Les Bowen for joining us u
p Y. I'm Rob Brinkman. Chucks will be back next week.
Until then, Dallas sucks Birds. Peace out, everybody go birds.
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Good night,
Hell you.
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Fagles, let me get the hell down.
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Filling help beyond.
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people play, iHeartRadio, iTunes. Comments are already firing up. A
lot of people have a lot of strong opinions about
what's going on. There was one There was one side
of the ball that continues to improve every week and
gets more and more elite every week. And we have
the other side of the offense, which seems to get
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worse and more puzzling every week.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
It's not puzzling, it's not puzzling.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Very puzzling based on the talent. Unless you're living under
a rock, you know that we are referring which unit
we are referring to with each statement. Comments will get
to them, but I mean, we'll start with the good,
the good, and then we will talk at length about
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the bad and why it's bad and what needs to change.
But the good part of the game. You beat the
Lions sixteen to nine on the back of your defense
once again, and the Eagles are currently the best team
in the NFC despite their lingering offensive struggles. Agree or disagree,
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Py go ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, Like I understand that the Eagles offense isn't like
blowing anything up right now, Like they're not like exciting
for the last few weeks. Like if you look at
the Rams game, like they had one great drive and
that was really it. Like they're as of my opinion
right now, they're the only other team I really put
much stock in the bucks of free fall. Seattle got
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put in their place, Like Sam Darloald is exactly who
we thought he was, Like I'm just not really the
Packers are not a team that really is scaring me,
Like this the whole season is gonna be the Eagles
to lose like they have the elite defense. Still you
can argue your weakest thing on the defense right now,
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you are looking at like pass rush past rush is
starting to look like it's coming on. Your guys are
getting healthy. Joined Davids and Jalen Carter are playing Stella
right now. Maura Dromo and Jalx Hunt are coming on
right when you need them to. Laura Drumo is probably
having his best year as an Eagle. Jalen Phillips is
just sweet baby Jesus, Like he's all over the field,
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like he is exactly what you could be asking for.
And Na Kobe ded who expected this off his injury.
Anyone who says yes is a liar, Like he's playing
out of his mind to the point where like I
just I can't, I can't imagine like how well he's
playing right now, like I because nobody expected this, Like
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he's putting he's putting the rookie yacht on the shelf
right now just because of how Stelle or his play is.
Like the offense isn't great, like the play conks not great,
Like all these things are a big factor, but like
if the defense is able to play as as stellar
as they are right now. I don't know if I
need the offense to be exceptional. I just need it
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to be average at best. And this defense is showing
that it's good enough to help you win big games.
It's shown you the last two weeks. You beat the
Packers and the Lions without having to score twenty points
Like that is an insane statement that nobody thought was
humanly possible.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Like, I just need the line to block a little better.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Maybe we get Jalen to play a little better, which
he will, like he's going He's not gonna play every
game like he played the Lions game.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That was just probably his worst game of the season.
Can I get an.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Average or above average game every day from Jalin Hurts?
I feel one hundred percent confident that you to make
it back to Super Bowl, even win the Super Bowl
with the way this defense is playing. So with al
Shabow doubt the Eagles. They're the cream of the crop
in the NFC right now.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Less obviously the defense is really good, the offense is
really bad, and that's what it is. It's bad. Just
a teaser to how I'm going with the offensive discussion
later on the show. But are they still Are they
the favorites in the NFC with with an offense this
bad and a defense is good. Can that work in
twenty twenty five, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
The offense is going to have to get better. Rob
As far as the poll question goes, are they the
best team in the NFC? They beat the Rams on
a block field goal. I don't know that I'd want
to play the Rams right now, but I think they
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can beat the Rams in the playoffs. That's the main
competition that I see. Really, I think they will be
the best team in the NFC by the end of
the sea and assuming no more ridiculous. I mean, this
Lane Johnson injury is a pretty big deal by the way,
But yeah, I I'll go with the Eagles as the
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best team. I the offense, though, you know, you're not
gonna win. You're not gonna just keep going week after
week after week, getting out gained by the opposition and uh,
you know, scoring under twenty points and one touchdown a
game and winning. You know, it's it's ridiculous that they
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ended up with sixteen points last night. When the other
team turns it over basically six times, five on downs
and one on an interception. You got to score some points.
Ye know, I just thought it was what it was.
It was a really memorable game in that maybe one
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of the top five defensive performances I've ever witnessed and
maybe one of the bottom five offensive hormances I've ever witnessed,
all in the same game. So, no, they are gonna
have to be better offensively, There's no doubt about it.
I don't know how that happens. It probably starts with
the offensive line playing better. I think there has to
be some growth and some direction from Kevin Petullo and
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Sirianni in terms of making the offense less scattershot, making
it more. You know, they can't run three plays right
now in a row without stepping on an appendage. You know,
they take a penalty or incomplete pass that you know
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for minus four yards, or a run that loses yardage.
They just they can't run a clean series. And that's
kind of striking frankly.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, they were the best team in the NFC going
into the week by kind of a lot. In my opinion,
I don't think there's a team, at least talent wise
that can hang with the Eagles in the NFC. So
they go and they beat a good Detroit team. I
don't really care that they got away with they got
a cheap eat on the past interference at the end
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of the game. I don't care that Dan Campbell is
just necessary, unnecessarily reckless when he doesn't have to be.
I don't care that Jared Goff played worse than Jalen Hurts,
even though Jalen Hurts did not play his best game.
Uh And I don't care that the Eagles they're they're
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a bad offense and they still beat everyone. It's it's unbelievable.
Uh So, I think there's a pretty wide I think
there's a significant gap between the Eagles and the Rams.
I mean the Rams. I know the score got close,
but I feel that the score didn't really indicate how
badly the Rams outplayed the Seahawks. I mean Tampa. Tampa
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gets over got overrated in their own mind at the
beginning of the season because everyone went nuts over Baker Mayfield.
I mean Green Bay. No, Chicago Bears are beating you
in a big spell. We'll find out in a couple
of weeks. But even the Bears winning in a couple
of weeks. Caleb Williams coming into the link to beat
the Eagles. I don't see that. I mean, I can't
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really unless I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and
predict injuries because we have a pretty big, big one
to talk about with Lane Johnson being out four to
six weeks, with the Liz Frank and less more stuff
like that happens to really really key players. I don't
really see how the Eagles aren't playing in February. I agree,
I really don't. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
P y.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You hit the nail on the head with the Kobe Dean.
He is essentially made Jehad Campbell, your first round draft pick,
who was playing very well, not bad at all for
a rookie. Some highs and lows. He's gonna be a
final way to be a little more consistent. But Toobe
Dean has been excellent. Jalen Phillips has been excellent. The
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defensive line. Last night, I don't have the stats, and
everywhere had more. They had more tip passes at the
line of scrimmers that I would imagine.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
D had three.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, it was amazing. Jordan Davis a guy that when
he came, you know, a year ago, even you would
have said he's rarely out there on passing down.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So it's one of their best defensive players this year.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, and and let's not for let's give credit where
credits due. Number eight Adri Jackson has established himself as
quarterback too. Uh. He played great against the Packers, and
he played even better last night.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Against He had a few he had a few moments
of trouble last night, but for the majority of the game,
like you could trust him, like he was he made
some good plays. He had a few stops in the
end zone, like he had a few good tackles. Like
It's exactly the type of game you wanted to see
from Dorri, especially when you're having the goal against am Ross,
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Saint Brown.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And Jaloux. Hunt continues to it's I've never seen anything
like this where one side of the ball gets better
every week as it's supposed to, and the other side
of the ball, which frankly has more talent on it,
on it and the more money, more money and more
talent on it than the defensive side of the ball,
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gets worse every week. It's like we hit the bye
week and they forgot everything.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, the only thing I would say, you're right, You're
absolutely right. The only thing I would say about that
is the defense has gotten reinforcements that the offense didn't get.
You know, Noen Smith coming back, Jalen Phillips being added,
and the Kobe Dean, even Brandon Graham. Yeah, I mean
that that's a that's a healthy infusion to the defense.
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The offense hasn't had anything like that. And you're at
the point with the offensive line where frankly, you'd kind
of like you wouldn't mind seeing them pick up somebody
from somewhere for depth. You know, at this point, it's uh,
it's it. They the end of last week when they
were trumpeting the fact that, oh, Jurgens and Johnson are
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both going to play, I.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Was like, I wouldn't have given them the extra week.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I wouldn't have No, it isn't a great idea. And
I was, you know, and I was taking crap on
social media for me saying, yeah, if I was Jurgons,
I'd let this now. I mean, you know, they went
out there. That's very noble of them to do it.
But they're both hurt now, and you know it's with Lane,
it's going to be along. I'm gonna have a lot
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of Fred Johnson at right tackle. They survived that at
left tackle last year with Fred if you remember, he
had what was it four starts for meant to look
that up before we came on the air, and I did.
He had several starts for Jordan Mylotta and the Eagles
won those games. But Lane Johnson is one of their
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best players, you know, and it's it's a big deal
that he's not going to be here, and it's not
going to help that offense get any kind of rhythm.
There's a lot going on there, it seems like to me,
and I don't like much of it.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Let's get them some comments here. We got a lot
a lot of defense, love their defense, Yes, Wayne Bickell
twenty six seventy through the offense is terrible and we'll
get and will not get the job done as the
season gets deeper. All the all the whole hard games
are all the hard games are over?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like we've beat the Chiefs, we've beat the Rams, we've
beat the Bucks, we've beat the Packers, we've beat the Lions. Like,
what's what's the stellar like apponent that we're supposed to face?
Like you're arguing, like your best people are what the
the Bears and the Chargers. I think the I think
the Bears are going to be our toper opponent than
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the Chargers at this point because the Bears are really.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm not really scared of a team that lost thirty
five to six the Jaguars yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, yeah, right, that was really strange.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, Grendall, I hope I'm saying that right. Thanks for
how much checking in with us. What do you think
about Seth Joyner that you're trying to Seth Joyner, who
does a post game show somewhere I see him on
a lot, comments that Jalen Music is going off on
his on his own and freestyling.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Rather than I think that is what he means.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Well, considering the play calling your ship, Yeah, like, what's what's.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
The problem but protection, freestyling and not being playing in
a team.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I don't think that's true. I think you know this
started with that business last week about the long shot
on fourth down. Well that was the call. Now there
might have been a couple of different options within that call,
but no, it wasn't a matter. Some people tried to
pretend that somebody had said that Jalen and AJ just
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decided to do this, that is not the case. And
I don't think there's a lot of freestyling in this offense.
Does he freestyle into a run that loses four yards?
I don't think so. What would he be freestyling exactly?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
What?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What are crazy plays is he coming up with? They
do the same crap over and over, and they do
it poorly, yes, taking penalties and you know, not having
good spacing and things like that. I don't see Jalen.
Jalen played poorly yesterday, but I don't see that he
has rested control of the offense from somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Sorry, miss Matt Berg Matt Burk seventy seven, twenty and
done with the Jalen.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Jalen sets team culture and franchise up to be able
to play well in big games. No players done that
before and he didn't know before him in Eagles history.
And the last part is especially true. I'm not in
the lasts. I have never had a clutch quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
To any reports from some clowns over Chi Keeps sports,
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I like I like Seth Joy there.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I keep hearing everyone talking about Derek derekn They're.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Like, oh, he's clued in.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I said, sure, maybe like five years ago he was
as clued into anybody, But those days are gone.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Like he still talks to some people, I'm sure he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
It's not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's yeah, if you're not down there and people have agendas,
exactly you are down there people. The one thing I
learned as a reporter, people have agendas. We don't know,
we don't know what the situation is on.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I know either, But to call out, come out and
called this a Carson Wentz two point zero situation is ridiculous. Yeah,
And like I Derek Gun's a phenomenal reporter over the years,
but like that's just uncalled for. I'm like, where's the evidence,
Like where's where's the backing this up? Like where are
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we getting this Carson Wentz two point zero nonsense? Like
they just they're eight and two, they just beat the Lions.
Where was this stellar reporting from Derek Gunn when they
lose to the the when they walked to the Giants,
and when they lost to the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Where was this report? Then?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Uh, here's Greg Miller. I don't believe the rams remaining
schedules a cakewalk. They have to play at the bucks.
The Seahawks, the Lions, the Panthers, and the Falcons. I
had no I just react to what I see what
I'm seeing on the field. When you have Look, when
you have good football teams like the Eagles and the Rams,
do you don't care about the schedule? Nope, you just don't.
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You just win, baby, Like, how many those games are
the Rams gonna be? I guess it depends on where
they are. Of the Bucks game, I believe that's this week,
So I would assume they would be favored against the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, even on the road. Ye, the Seahawks,
they should be favored against. I don't know, maybe not
on the road in Seattle, because that was in LA yesterday. Yeah,
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the Ramps are better than the Lions. The Lions are not.
I came away from that game really with more doubts
about the Lions than than the Eagles, sitting down there
watching it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Certainly about GoF you know, I mean Goff really as
well as the Eagles defense played, their biggest feat was
they just got that guy so far out of his
comfort zone that he was just a basket case by
the end of the game. And Yeah, that would that
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would really worry me if I were Detroit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And Carson wentz wishes he wanted to clar Yeah, I
mean yeah, Carson hit the ground running, and I guess
it was the second year as a starter as far
as a rookie, and it went okay. They went right
around five hundred if I remember correctly. Then then he
took the league by storm. Then he was hurt, and
then he just couldn't figure out how to win football games.
Jalen Hurts always figures out how to win football games.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, it doesn't always look perfect, it doesn't always look
like it should, but guess what, when the game's on
the line. I don't think there's a quarterback next to
maybe Mahomes that I trust. More like, when you need
him to do what he needs to do to win
that big game, he does it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Greg Mocket. Lions on the road average at home, they're
pretty good. I saw a lot of sec talent on
the field last night from Collegiate, and I think they
like I don't think they like the cold a lot
or the wind. Yeah, thankfully we don't have to worry
about the Lions in Detroit. Nope, the playoffs, Nope, they're.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Gonna have to come probably not.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Probably not the Lions, nor the Lions nor the Packers
are in first place in the NFC. Come here, you're
gonna come here, bears. All right, So we've been itching.
It's it's offensive tough time and high. Yes, it has
to be, because it's so easy. It's way easier to
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do this profession p y when when things are are stinky.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, there's more to talk about. There's more to talk about.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
More to talk about. People engage more because they're pissed off.
Now there's only that. You can only be so pissed
off because you're eight two. Yes, all right, So if
we go around the table, we'll start with you less
in the top. The main issue with this offense is
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what blank.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I want to say, offensive line, but I'm going to
say play design and play calling. I REALONK that's the bigger,
the bigger of the two issues. Offensive line has had
a lot to do with it, though. They just can't
block a running play to save their life, and that's
killing them because they're trying to be a running team
again like they were last year now and they don't.
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They can't get the results. They can't get to second
and third down, manageable. You know, either they take a
penalty or the run gets blown up.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But the.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Sequencing, the concepts. I saw a lot today on the
internet about you know, trying to run curls against press
coverage and you know the AJ Brown thing. Yeah, I
he did stop running on that one play, but that's
the only How many times do they send him down
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the sideline every game? You know, it's like he's the
guy that has like that's the only way to throw
the ball to AJ Brown Half the time, it seems
like I don't like the offense. I don't like the
way it's run. I don't like the the lack of innovation.
I don't like the I just don't it looked it
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never comes together for me. If they have success, it's
because Jalen pulled something out of his butt on third
and fourteen or something like that. You know, it's never
running smoothly and consistently.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Pee why it's Patoula.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
What if I had been saying he is the problem
and I'm sorry, you know, I didn't caress his head
and tell what a good job you've been doing lately
at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
But like going to be no caressing of a Are
you sure, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I was told I was all too mean for him
a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You know, like the creativity.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I'm running a lot creativity is atrocious. There's no motion whatsoever.
The routes are garbage. You're throwing out Grant cal Kazara
for was it thirty plus snaps to block? Greg Calcatara
is one of the worst blockers in the NFL. Kyle's
Grandson's whole job to be here is to block, and
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you're throwing him out there on an explosive third and
sixth play on the left hash for whatever reason, genius,
You're throwing Saque out there as as a fullback and
you're you're running Tank Bigsby on his side. Nobody, and
I mean nobody thought the ball was going to take.
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Everybody knew that Saua was getting that ball and it
blew up. And like, obviously you could look at the
offensive line and say they're a big part, and they
are a big part of it, But like I think
the majority of the reason is it's injuries. They're still
not recover from the Super Bowl. Landon that keeps getting hurt,
Cam keeps getting hurt, Lane keeps getting hurt. Your most
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consistent player right now is Tyler seeing my Lota has
been atrocious, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Was great in past pro last night against Ayton Hutchinson,
but he didn't again the run game. He took a
penalty that demigated a good run. You know, I don't
know what's going on there, but yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Through the only interesting concept last night you threw lots
of in at fullback for a few plays, and he
looked good.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I'd like to see more of that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
We went from oh my god, we're running Jalen out
of under sander.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
We're getting a lot of great pool plays. You know,
we're getting him running I'll play action, which is great.
We had a few plays a few weeks ago where
Jane was running to the right hand side and he's
throwing it together and it's like a goddamn cheek code.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
But we're just not going away from that.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's puttulo like I'm sorry, Like I don't understand this,
like bench him, put lawfuler in there, like.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
He's at least called plays before. I don't care. Can
we stop with just throwing the guys in there?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
It always been in the system. He knows the system,
he knows what the guys want. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like I've called this just the beginning of the season.
Patullo is the problem and he's going to be the.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Problem moving forward.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
If I have to choose between an idiot offensive coordinator
who can't get out of my weight or the franchise quarterback,
give me, give me, give me one all freaking day
like it's Puttulo. Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
This is a bad offense and it's not. It's not
because of lack of talent. There's plenty of talent. The
only thing I can say in Papool's defense that I
thought he had a good script. They came out, they
got the ball first. DeVante Smith dropped the pass on
the sidelines that frankly needs to be a catch. It's
a difficult catch, but it needs to be a catch
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Dallas Goddard. They had Dallas Goddard free on a crossing route.
I believe that was second down. Uh. That killed the
drive right in his bread basket and would have been
a monster run after catch play for Dallas Goddard. Stone
drop right in the bread basket. Uh. And they also
I believe it was the second drive, so new drive.
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They hit the Vonte Smith uh settled down in his
zone on an option route right to him, would have
had a chance to turn it up field and do
something with it, and he dropped the football. Devonte. That's
the first time I've ever come away from a game
in Devonte Smith's career where I said that guy played.
Devonte Smith played bad. He's a tremendous receiver, but he
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did not have it last night. That's the only thing
you can say is early drops could have stunted the
momentum of a plan that Kevin be successfully concocted during
the week. But this is a bad offense. This is
a bad offense. They're doing bubble screens. They don't do
the bubble screen as well that they're.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Lining up the worst choices.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Empty set five wide. I saw a bunch of times
last night. It didn't work. Once you're throwing swim passes
to say Kwan Barkley for eight yards, this is a
bad offense. You just call it what it is. They're
eight and two and the favorites to represent the NFC
in it with a bad offense. Unless I've been to
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the I've been to a lot of football games while
you were the beat writer of the Philadelphia Eagles, and
this offense reminds me of the early Dono mc nabers
that had Do Staley and Chad Lewis, who were okay,
They were okay, certainly not game breakers, could be at times,
but not game breakers. And you had the Nay Browns,
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the Torn Smalls, the James Thrashes, and the Todd Pinkstins
as Donovan Nabs made main weapons. And it was run, run, punt, run,
run past, punt, run, run past punt. Ye know the
Rams that have the greatest show on turf in nineteen
ninety nine, The Eagles have the least greatest show on
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turf right now. It's the run up the middle, run
up the middle, incomplete pass and then a punt. Poor
Brandon Mann, he's gonna need leg surgery after the season.
They're using so much. I'm getting on him about him
not kicking the ball as far as he did in
the beginning of the season. The guy must be tuckered
out as all hell. He plays the most of anybody
on the whole damn team. It's unbelievable, and that this
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offense should not be anemic like this with these receivers
and this running back, and even though the line is
banged up. I'm watching the Raiders team right now on
Monday Night Football in the background here. That would absolutely
kill to have the Eagles off the second string offensive
line as their starting offensive line, because there's that that horrendous.
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I've been patient with Kevin Petulo on this show, very
very very patient with Kevin Petullo for him to try
and get this, get his legs under him, and get
this ship on the track. It's not happening the Eagles do,
whether it's Nick or a loafer or an outside con
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So I don't really care they're going in. They're going
down to Dallas in a game that Dallas is gonna
have to have, have to have to stay relevant in
the NFC playoff picture. If the Eagles beat Dallas next week,
which I think they will, I think that the NFC
East is really unlocked. But you can't continue to let
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this guy learn on the job heading into December. He's
had his chances. I've been patient. My patience is gone.
I can't have a bad offense with this, with this payroll,
in this talent that they have on the offensive side
of the ball. So I am. I am officially on
board with the masses and the masses and the knee
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jerk people that wanted them fired and seconds into the season.
I mean, I think that was super unfair. Still, but
he's had his chance. He's had a chance. I mean,
this isn't This isn't some tryout, you know situation here.
This is we're trying to repeat his Super Bowl champions
and build something special. And there's nothing about Kevin Batoula's
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play design and play calling that's special. Nothing. He signs
of life, faint signs of life before the bye, and
then they took a week off where you assume they
would work on some things and get better, and they're
back to square one. It's it's just it's so bad.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I would take Brian Johnson calling plays right now.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Because even when Brian was like all over the place
and his whole issue was his lack of finger on
the pulse, do a lack of play calling history in
the NFL, you were at least putting up points.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
The only issue was you.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Didn't have the defense to bail you out at times,
and Jalen was playing hero ball every two minutes. That's
not the case right now. Jalen is being smart and
conservative with the football, throwing it when he needs to.
And the defense right now is phenomenal, Like this isn't
the twenty twenty three defense where you're just the worst
in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Agree, there's.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Nixon, gritty nineteen eagrews pe Y. It's with the Kevin Patula,
Kevin Petullo is there, Chris Kaufman Junior, Kevin Patullo is
there to fall on the sort of things go sideways.
I mean that's not because that that that that works
under the assumption that no would give him credit when
things went right. He's not just a fall guy. He's
(32:08):
the offensive coordinator. He calls the plays.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Like, is the premise there that it's really Sirianni's offense.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
I don't know, and I know I just yeah, well,
I mean it didn't look like this last year with
Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, exactly at times he did any extended period of time.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Uh, But we've also seen what this looks like with
other people like he saw, We've seen what it looks
like with Shane Stich and officially we've seen what it
looks like with Kellen Moore. Maybe it took a little
bit longer to get things situate with Kellen Moore running
the show. But eventually I even saw Brian Johnson's offense
(32:46):
looking competent for eleven weeks. This is not the case,
Like I wasn't talking about bad routes in uncreativity with
Brian Johnson. Maybe the screens to Julio Jones every three
second was pissing me off, but I never once was
talking about routes or things like that, Like there would
(33:07):
be technical stuff that would be pissing me off, not
like the offense as a whole.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, Grenda, when things go, when things on Laurie, he
didn't learn from twenty twenty three. Should Syriann should have
a choice in the offensive corder? He just isn't good enough.
I mean, this is Sirianni's boy, hand picked. Yeah yeah,
but you know what, it's like, best buddy in the
whole world.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I love Howie, but how he allowed this to happen.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Like you can say whatever you want about Nick.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They knew what the situation was going to be heading
into this season, and they allowed this to happen. They
made the decision to move with Patullo. Nobody was hiring
Kevin Patulo to be an offense coy. There nobody other
than the Eagles was doing this, so the same thing
in twenty three, nobody was hiring Brian Johnson. You could
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have you could have looked at other people. Heck, your
wife Scott law for enough to hire him as a
quarterback coach. Why not look at him as how possible
offensive coordinator candidate? Like there were guys out there, and
maybe you just wanted to have someone in the building immediately,
which is fine, but does anything change you spent like
another week looking and seeing who's there offensively, like I
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and I get it, Like you just clear that they
just wanted to have someone here as quick as possible.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But I think coming off the NFC Championship Game and
the Super Bowl, they thought their offense was doing so
well that you know Petullo was part of that and
that it wouldn't change it, that it would be kind
of the same offense this year. And obviously that was
not the case.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Now we're getting into like this not like Sirianni's calling.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
You, No, he's not, he's not, like, but it's his
setup though it's always been his setup and it's never
looked this bad. Yeah, like if every year he's involved
it looked bad and oh, it's clearly Sirianni's fingerprints.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
No, we've seen what happens.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
When you have a good, experienced play caller calling plays,
it's good. And then when you have someone unexperience who
doesn't exactly know the ins and outs of being an
offensive coordinator in the NFL, it looks bad.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Oh. Great, Alex Andelosi one of the best linebackers for Detroit.
He's I think he's number thirty four with the long,
long bonde hair, and he is very good. Yes, he
knew the Eagles were doing before Eagles were going to
run last night. Offensively, it's.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's unriginal. It's not hard to figure.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Out the defense knows what the Eagles are gonna call
before Kevin Patool knows what he's going to call. There's
no creative runs. Run play over and over and over
and over again. I only need to be a run team.
You need to have variations in creativity with what you're
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doing to run the football.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Plays they're gonna call, but you can just look at
the way they're setting everything up and it's just like, oh,
this is clearly going to be a run. This is
clearly going to be a pass. Obviously what play is
being called they don't know, but you can just tell
from the setup what exactly they're looking to do.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Just and now, a struggling offense is going to lose
its best offensive lineman probably essentially for the rest of
the regular season. It's not most of it Lane Johnson
with the Liz Frank injury, so I mean less. This
is obviously a big deal. How big of a deal
is a Fred Johnson has played well, but he's no
(37:01):
Lane Johnson right.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, what they need to do is recognize the situation
and not have Fred trying to do Lane Johnson things.
You know, there's some plays where they were using Lane,
like Lane would go way out and get a guy
over here, you know, to make a run work. That's
(37:23):
not going to happen with Fred Johnson. You know, you're
just gonna have to have him block the guy in
front of him, not give up sacks, and hope that
that's good enough. He's not going to be rampaging through
the secondary, you know, the way Lane sometimes does. You're
just gonna have to be simple and pretty, you know,
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leary of that situation and not put Fred Johnson in
a lot of bad spots, I think, and you've got
to be really really concerned if something ever happened to
because after that, I guess it's Matt Pryor, who was
horrible when he had to play earlier this year. So
you know, again, I'd be scouring though the practice squads
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of other teams looking for somebody that could come in
and certainly not start, but somebody you might be a
little better than some of what you've got to tackle,
because that's a that's a big significant thing to have
to play Fred week after week every step. I don't know,
(38:31):
we'll see if that works.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Jalen Hurts obviously didn't did not play his best game.
I put most of that on the offensive play calling.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
But yeah, I think that really some of those long balls,
I think they had no chance, and I think they
should have thought about that a little bit before they
threw them.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
They didn't.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
They didn't. They didn't think of it at all, and
the Lions thought about it entirely too much. So the
truth lies somewhere in the middle. I mean, shout out
that Dan Campbell for just being unable to get out
of his own way. I mean the guy Jamison Williams,
who's a notorious knufflehead, kind of makes a great play
and scores a touchdown and wants to slide down the
(39:19):
goalpost like a jackass, making it a instead of a
thirty yard extra point, a fifty yard extra point, and
the wind got a hold of it and it was
and it was gone. They missed. It turned out to
be a big, big, big deal, not only because of
the how the numbers ended up working out, but because
for because Jamison Williams was a jackass. Dan Campbell lost
(39:45):
confidence in his kicker Jesse Bates, who's actually a pretty
good kicker. Yeah, and he just had no interest in
using his kicker or his punter at all during the
rest of the game, oh for five on fourth down.
The last team to do that was the Detroit Lions,
and in two thousand and two game twenty twenty two games.
(40:08):
So I mean, this is the same story with this
guy Dan Campbell and Jared Goff was even worse than
Jalen Hurst. Jalen Hurst miss Saquon Barkley on that street
route where Saquon had to beat by three yards and
he overthrow. Was that the wind was at the cold
did Jalen dis miss him? I don't know, but I'd
like to see that. I'd like to see that ball hit.
(40:28):
Half the deep balls to AJ was just they went
out five wide and thought someone was gonna be open,
and if they weren't, they were just gonna throw throw
it up to AJ and it was gonna be fine.
And it wasn't fine. It was scouted and AJ had
minimal chance on an really no chance on most of
the shots.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I also just think I think the Lions CBS just
the secondary was very well played on.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
AJ for most of the night.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm like, look, maybe AJ slowed down on that one route.
You know, it happens like everyone's not really perfect.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
It's just surprising p Y because the story coming into
the game was how depleted the the Lion's secondary was
gonna be right. That was one of the big stories
that in Sam Laporta was placed on the injured reserve.
He's gonna miss the next four games. And you know,
fans like me were like, okay, little wounded animal here
with the secondary, like they can they can maybe do
(41:25):
something and put up some points. I'm surprised. I didn't
think it could get any worse than the Green Bay game,
and and last night was worse. Yeah. Yeah, game last
night was worse.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Because of the opportunities, because of all the times they
took They got the ball on the on the other
side of the fifty and just couldn't move it at all.
Uh yeah, it was really was worse.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
I agree, even the pick, Like you get a pick
right off the bat, that was the lion's first time
touching the ball. I feel yeah, well, first, yeah, first
you get a tip ball Cooper Degen interception, You get
the ball in the fifteen yard line, and you kick
a field goal like you're sorry. I watched a lot
(42:10):
of the Bills and Buccaneers game yesterday in the one
and thoft window, and those teams went up the field
on each other at will, and neither of them have horrendous,
dreadful defenses. They're both kind of good. Yeah, so these
one touchdown performances against these good teams is not going
(42:33):
to get it done. And somehow they're the favorite by
a lot. It's really quite it's quite a case study.
I can't believe that because even the two thousand Ravens,
I looked back, like who had that the amazing defense?
And they went weeks and months on end without even
(42:53):
getting an offensive touchdown, and they were winning games. They
were never like the favorite. That was back in an
era where the Tennessee Titans had Eddie George and Steve
McNair who were very good. That was during the Rich
Gannon John Gruden Raiders teams that were really good and
can really like the AFC was no job. They were
(43:14):
never the favorites, even though they had a top defensive unit.
Everyone kind of recognized that this team's not the favorite.
They end up winning, but they were never the favorite.
They would I don't even think they won their division
that year. So like for this team to be the
(43:35):
favorite with such a one side of the ball being
so horrendous, it's just it's incredible. It speaks to Hallie
Roseman's roster, yep, because then by far top to bottom,
the best roster in the league.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He's on the heather Man Like did you look at
like his the first three rounds from like twenty twenty
one to now, You could basically argue that they've had
one miss like which I think is probably it's probably
Sidney Brown, but like you can at least say he's
a contributor on special teams.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
He's he's he's good death and things like that.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
So like whether or not you want to say it's
like a big miss or anything.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Is up to They've had way worse.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, yes, yes, who's that Who's that speedy linebacker they
took in twenty twenty that everyone thought was going to
be really good?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Oh I didn't think he was going to be that.
He was making a transition from uh, yeah, I remember
you were talking about Yeah. Uh, I don't have it
in front of me right now. I have to look
it up.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
But yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
They've been so good drafting since twenty Taylor Javion Taylor,
that's it. Yeah, but yeah, like I'll take a solid
safety who can contribute on special teams. Like that's not
even like a myss to me. That's just like all right, cool,
we ended up finding someone who's a little better later on.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
But like, like look at all the talent he's found
through the draft, Like obviously you still have your trades
here and there, but like this.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Team is has found diamonds like Moro Charmo in this.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Like what's where he was Like people were scratching their
head about Jalx Hunt, He's looked like a player, like like, obviously,
qu Quentyn's been phenomenal, Cooper Jean's been phenomenal, Jordan Davis,
Jalen Carter, you know obviously, Davonte Laney.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
I mean not like obviously.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
What have we ever sat here after an Eagles game saying, wow, Reed,
Blanken Ship really played like garbage today?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
You found an you found a starting safety.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
If just on the road, all right, last thing before
we're getting some final thought or Dallas week coming up.
Dallas is playing right now. They are up big, they
were up big. Uh there's a doubt we're going down
to Dallas next week. But uh, last thing on the offense,
(46:15):
your your your py your panic meter on the.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Offense, it's probably at a five, really.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Still a five.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
It's it's getting, it's getting, it's getting, it's getting there,
it's getting.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Like if I'm talking about I am fully in favor
of replacing the play caller. To me, if I'm sitting
here bitching and moaning when you're eight and two that
you need a new play caller, that's a ten out
of ten panic meter to me, Hm hmm. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Like the talent is still there, and I do think
they can. They are going to be playing some teams
that they can score points against. It maybe they'll get
into a rhythm. And I'm not quite at that ten
as far as you can go. I mean, that's ten
would be if if Hurts was injured or something like that.
(47:11):
You know, I'd probably go like a six or something.
I really want to see some changes, but I think
the possibility certainly exists that this is.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
It unfair to me to say that if I don't
see some changes, like a new play caller, that I
have no reason to expect anything different.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Okay, I don't think that's a crazy notion.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
No, going against in Atrocia's Dallas defense, you should see something.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, I think I'm not expecting to. I'm going into
the Dallas game. I'm super confident, obviously, because this football
team just wins and wins and wins in spite of
itself on every level. So I have no reason to
doubt them in the win loss call. But I don't
expect anything different offensively. Next week.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
No, he's gonna be boring, bland and predictable. Or maybe
this week they'll they'll throw out all the stops. Maybe
he'll throw in the fleet liquor maybe half back pass
or something something ridiculous. Kevin Patulo is gonna show you
how creative and ingenious he is.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I mean, if there was ever a time to pull
out the super secret section of the playbook, Kevin, Yeah,
it's next week.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
His pages are stuck together and he doesn't know how
to open the book.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Let's be honest. Maybe he's just saving. Maybe he's just
saving all the good ones for the for the stretch.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Maybe he can't read.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Maybe, and that's what I'm going with, he's saving all
the good ones, the good ones for the stretch run.
Because what he's been doing has been I keep thinking
it can't get worse.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
And it's maybe he's Jamie Fox from like any given
son day where he's just like he's faked it all
the way until this moment and the fact that he
can't read the playbook is finally caught up with him
and he's just too embarrassed to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
H Yeah, I'll breakman. They don't work the middle enough.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes days of the weekend with why Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Some of the Lions, the Lions didn't make very many
good plays last night, but a few of them were
passing over the middle, and I thought, boy, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Nah goes to creativity in my opinion. All Right, it is.
It is Dallas week, always fun. I think we're gonna
go down there and kick their ass.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
I do too.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I like it would be the first time they've ever
beaten them four straight in a while. Like, it's gonna
be like I can't even remember the last time the
Eagles beat down the Cowboys four straight.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
But they're right. I mean, so now we're talking about
a bottom five I mean, a bottom third offense and
a top defense that's nine to two if you win
next week, yeah, which is nuts. And I don't even
know what. I don't even know what a win next
(50:22):
week would do for the division. I mean, I don't
think it would clinch it, clinch it, but pretty close. Essentially.
It's not even Thanksgiving yet, and the Eagles were already
printing T shirts.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Yeah, don't they play the Chiefs after us?
Speaker 3 (50:38):
They played the Chiefs on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Yes, yeah, they played the Chiefs and then the Lions.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Right, I don't know about that. I don't know, but
they do.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
I think Dallas's defense is getting better. They made that
big trade and then they they got no Sean back
the linebacker who's really good. The guy's been hurt for
a year.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
I think tonight was his Are you talking about Malie Cooker?
Speaker 1 (51:10):
No, no, no, over Sean the Dallas linebacker.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Okay, he came back to because MALIEK. Cooker played for
the first time in a while.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Well yeah, so you know their defense might be okay,
but certainly the Eagles should be able to beat them.
If you get the pass rush that you got last night,
you'll win. Certainly.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
J douff one Jalen needs to stop with the Instagram quotes,
sit down with Smithy and AJ and have a real
heart to heart. He needs to get his team right
back on track.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
So unless he starts calling the plays, I don't give
a shit, like like I would m me, Like, unless
Jalen Hurts says, you know what we're we're calling it
audible on every play, Kevin put too well plays.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
It doesn't really matter what they say to each other.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Like I don't really care. I'm not into like sitting
down and like the raw ros stuff like this isn't
high school middle school football. This is professional football. They
should be able to get it done without having a
heart to heart. And these guys are gonna go on
Instagram and they're gonna have their podcast and they're gonna
do their stuff with the brand. So people like me
(52:20):
who absolutely hate it can sit here and bitch and
moan about it till we're blue in the face. But
it's not going anywhere. It was reported online that Jeffrey
Lori A J. Brown, told Jeffrey Loriy that he was
gonna tone it down.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, I did see that. I'm looking up that Dallas
thing for you, Pee White. Let's see here. Four wins
in a row against the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
It's probably a long time.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Andy Reid beat him all the time when he did, but.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
He would lose one every now and then just for fun.
I remember once they went down there and try to
an on Psyche on the opening kickoff and Dallas ran
it back for a touchdown and they lost that game.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
Well, remember Andy Reid. Remember Andy Reid's first game ever
wall he did the Pickle Juice game.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yes, okay, yeah, from Pickle Juice, which I believe was
September third, two thousand to two thousand and three. Which
I think was the game I'm talking about where they
tried to they screwed up the the on site kick
on the opening kickoff. The Eagles won one, two, three, four, five,
six in a row against that. But that was from
(53:33):
two thousand to two thousand and three, which I believe
was the Dave Campo era, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
They had some dark days around that time.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Andy used to always talk about what a fine coach
Dave Campo was, and it was very transparent. He just
didn't want them to fire this guy. Can't say enough
about coach Campo down there, all right, So.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
P Y closing thought, let's beat the Cowboys and fire
Kevin Patulo.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
That's really really well. I mean, I don't think I
think they should bench him from college.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Oh I'm sorry, Fine, we can bench him, like we'll
relegate him to some made up position we've never had before.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Even though, like, even though we're frustrated with him, he
is still part of a nine and two, a eight
and two coaching staff, So having him pack his stuff
and leave the building would be yeah, I think excessively.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
So what hey, Coach Leffler calls the plays this week
and see how that goes.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Sure, I do that. It can't be worse. It can't
get any worse. The floor is only so well.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Less closing thought.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
My closing thought would be need a good week of
practice with that offensive line. I know who you're gonna have,
don't know, this pie in the sky. Maybe if we
shoot him up, he'll be able to get out there,
you know, practice with the guys who are going to
play and get them ready and you know, don't have
anybody out there on one leg, and get the offensive
(55:14):
line right and win the game.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
That's really what it is. Just we know the defense
is going to show up, yeah, and we just got
to pray the offense shows up just enough to win
the game. And they have thus far. I mean, I'm
hoping for some type of epiphany and some type of
explosion where just keep hoping maybe they get a touchdown
(55:40):
on an opening drive, on a big play and it
just it just gets the monkey off the back of
this offense.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I got a rosary at my desk if you need it,
But I really.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Don't think that's going to happen at this point. With
Kevin Patulo as not color, I just don't Yeah, all right,
well that'll do thank Les Bowen for joining us u
p Y. I'm Rob Brinkman. Chucks will be back next week.
Until then, Dallas sucks Birds. Peace out, everybody go birds.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
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