Eagles Escape Tampa with a Win_ Another _Tale of Two Halves_

The Philadelphia Eagles found a way to escape Tampa Bay with a nail-biting win, but it was ugly, specifically on the offensive side of the ball. In this week’s episode of Eagles Talk, we break down the stunning first-half dominance vs. the shocking second-half struggles. Can the run blocking improve at all this season? Will Jalen Hurts and the offense find any consistency? And what grade would we give this defense for their performance against the Bucs?

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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(00:44):
up in. Here's a party here right to kick off
the show. Not only do we have less joining us
right off the bat, but one mister Rob Brigman is
from his month long vacation, gentlemen, and of course Py
is here as always to annoy me. So, gentlemen, how's
everyone feeling after the Eagles win? That doesn't feel like

(01:07):
a win gets a win?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I feel I feel like a win.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Who says I've really been on social media all days?
That really people are saying you would.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
The pulse I don't fase, and social media in general
is we.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Would have sold our souls to start four.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Though once we got that schedule, I don't know that's
all true.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'll give a ship.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
My point is if they did, if the offense had
worked just a little bit in the second half. If
they've been able to kick one field goal or two
field goals instead of punting six times in a row,
it would feel so much different.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh so different. I mean, you could say the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Maybe if the defense doesn't give up to seventy yard.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Touchdowns, we might feel a little bit better.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, the defense though, got you to turnovers and two
fourth down stops in.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
This and yeah, and really did its job overall. So
we'll get into that. We got a lot to talk
about regarding this win, and I definitely want to get
the discussion going. So let's let's get right into our
poll question. Uh, the run blocking issues are a bigger
concern for the Eagles then the passing attack play calling.

(02:20):
Agree or disagree, Rob, Since you haven't been on, I
want to get your opinion, because you, you know, a
lot has happened since the last time you were on, well,
four games into the Eagle season has happened. So let's
get your thoughts. Do you what's the bigger issue right now?
There the lack of a run game or the passing

(02:41):
game that's been wildly inconsistent.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Now, it's it's the run blocking. They really missed the
kai back then, Lane Johnson has missed time and both
of the last two games. Shout out to Fred Johnson, though,
who's really come in and solidified that part. But then
when Steen goes down and Stein's not as good as
back then, and then Pryor is not as good as Steen,
so he's definitely not as good as back then. That's

(03:04):
where they're lacking right now. Jalen hurts in this offense
is not the offense that throws to set up the run.
That's not how it works. That wasn't the formula last year.
I don't think that's the formul unless you have a
Peyton Manning who can just doesn't even need an offensive

(03:25):
coordinator and can just call the game by himself. Unless
you have a quarterback like that, you run to set
up the pass. I mean, has Takuon Barkley broken anything
of substance up the middle this season? By my eyes? No,
I mean he's been okay, but the holes aren't there. Nope.
And for aj Brown and DeVante Smith to be able

(03:48):
to produce like they I think they both want to produce.
I don't think Devonte Smith is the happiest of campers
with how the offense is going either. But he's not
allowed now like a J. Brown, so it doesn't get
talked about. But they were both visibly upset after the
game yesterday, and you know that's fine, that's fine. But

(04:09):
if they can get back to pounding the rock up
the middle, it's gonna open up for these guys. And
they're four and oh they haven't played sixty minutes of
good football, and they've beaten three Super Bowl contenders and
a Dallas team that I haven't quite figured out yet,

(04:31):
not only anyone's figured out yet. So they might be good,
they might not be I don't know. Time will tell.
But you know, the three super Bowl contenders you beat,
two of which on the road. We got first world
problems here in Philadelphia. These are all the first world problems.

(04:51):
And I'll touch on Kevin Patula if you want later
in the show, if you want.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, we're gonna get into like the the nitty gritty
of the offense in a bit. But uh, less, what
do you think? What's I think? I know what you're
gonna say because I saw your I saw your retweets
of certain people, But yeah, what's what say you to
the pole question?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think it's kind of a chicken and egg thing.
I really think if they fixed either one of them,
the other one would follow right along. The times that
they've had a good passing game going, like in the
second half last week and the first half this week,
the runs have actually worked. They haven't sprung Saquon Barkley
for anything wonderful, but in those situations they were actually

(05:37):
running for decent yardage. But then when the passing game
stops running, then the running game seems to stop running
as well. Uh, that second half yesterday was like nothing
I've ever seen. Frank it was for the coaching staff.
It had to be humiliating. Really, I don't know which

(05:59):
is The run blocking isn't a big issue in terms
of the long run for me, because you know they
can do it, except if it's injury related, which it
might be. I mean, if they're just too banged up
to do this, Like for instance, Landon Dickerson is playing

(06:22):
badly right now. Bless him for going out there if
he's really hurt, but it's not working, that's that's a
big issue. If they can't get people healthy, if they
can't keep Lane Johnson in a game. You know, things

(06:44):
like that, but as far as I expect otherwise that
they'll work out the run game stuff, the passing game
play calling. This is something that has been an issue
for a long time through different offensive coordinators. I don't

(07:05):
know if it's if its root is Jalen Hurts, I
don't think it is. I think it's I think the
root is Nick Sirianni, who I don't think really, for
all the wonderful stuff he does as a head coach,
I don't think he has a great passing scheme. I
don't think his route concepts are good. I don't think

(07:27):
you know, I think it's a pretty simple, pretty easy
to defend, easy to figure out set up, as Todd
Bole showed you in the second half yesterday. That's a
huge concern to me because it just it can't be
this hard. There's no injury problem, you know, with DeVante
Smith or aj Brown or Dallas Goddard right now, and

(07:50):
they still just can't produce anything consistently. And uh, I
that that kind of worries me a little more. If
if we're gonna say that the run blocking will work
when everybody's healthy, I guess that's a complicated answer. But
in terms of just how do you fix this? The

(08:14):
passing might be a little harder, a little trickier.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, p I what say you?

Speaker 1 (08:21):
So?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
I think it's a combination of things, Like the rug
game is a big issue right now, just due to
the fact that the pass blocking is not great. Landon
is having his worst pass blocking year. Obviously, I think
Steen has played really well. I don't think he's been
the greatest run blocker. But they also have been trying
to use some of the tight ends to block and

(08:46):
they can't.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
They couldn't block me.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'd be able to get around
cal Katara and Grandson, Like they're like, that's how bad
they're playing, Like not to mention, like lanes miss.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Time, you know, like Fred Johnson's been phenomenal. They also
keep trying to make Matt pryor happen.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, stop that, please, What do you what do you
complain about Matt prior for yesterday?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
He barely I don't want him be there at all.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I I don't.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Why he's not board. So when he came in a
guard he was flying. I mean, I know it wasn't
for long, but like he's he's he's adequate as a
guard I don't know why you're complaining about him if
he's if he's in there at tackle over Fred Johnson,
I hear you, but he's in there at guard. I
have no problem with it. I think it's those right moves.
I just don't trust him, huh.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
But I think a big issue also with the wrong
game is they're just they know they know the scheme,
Like it's so obvious that.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
We're gonna run on first down.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Every look that we get, they know we're running.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
There's no MISTI you know, Jay One's the only thing
that's adding any entry to the run game right now,
because at least with him, you're like, all right, cool,
maybe he could get a big run or something, which
he's do.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
They know you're running, but they know exactly how you're
running exactly, and it's really a problem. And sain Kwon
Barkley keeps talking about this, about how teams had the
whole off season to look at the Eagles run game
and break it down and figure out what they needed
to do, and they need to do something else, you know.

(10:32):
I mean, it's just they don't seem to quite grasp that. Somehow,
I'd love to be in on their meetings and hear
what they say. You know, it's frustrating.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
It is, it is. It is definitely frustrating. Before I
get to the Broncos touchdown, before I get to the
or before I answer the book question, and we get
to the chat real quick. So we've got a bunch
of good comments. Chris Coffin says w IP is pushing
hard to burn down the relationship. Of course they are.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
They doing it for like four years.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah. Andrew Baker says the interior of the old line
is not playing good right now. Saquan is running into
brick walls before and so gotta keep going.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Joe Horror Coofsky says, let's just beat the Broncos forty
ten full sixty. Tired of hearing a J. Brown AJ
Brown's bow. Jonathan Harvey says, agreed to the poll, but
if the Eagles would add normal elements to their offensive strategy,
notice the Lions rams packers name of you, it won't
prove Egos are strict diet offense under Nick That's fair.

(11:37):
Joey Jalen was fifteen to sixteen for oneundre and thirty yards,
passing two touchdowns on four yards rushing can't play in
a better second half. They just phoned it in. Ryan swolped,
This is a very controversial comment. I'll say playing it
and getting by is not sustainable. Jalen Hurts saying is

(11:57):
all he does is win, but a lot of the
wins m because of him? Uh and then Joe has
that says h. Jalen has never said all he does
is win. He said keep keep the main thing, the
main thing, which the main thing is to win the game.
Horrible take.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yes, so that makes that makes no sense, Like, oh,
you know it's not because of him. He plays, he's
the quarterback. He plays a big part, a big part
in victories. Yeah, you win more with him when he's
not than when he's not on the field. That that's
all I know. Like, I'll take the quarterback who doesn't
need to have the flashy stats every week, doesn't need

(12:34):
four hundred and fifty passing yards, six touchdowns or something ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Guess what do what you gotta do the win.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
I don't go crap what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
The quarter point.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
He's won a super Bowl. He's not going anywhere, and
at this point in his career, he's probably not going
to change a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
So yeah, So further pool question, I I'm going to
agree to the pole question. I think you all bring
up fair points. The one rebuttal to what you said,
Rob is that I think running it up the middle

(13:11):
I don't think is the answer or having success running
up the middle of the answer. I think right now,
with your interior playing the way it is, I think
the way you unlock it is trying to get to
the outside. I think they called three counter runs one pitch,
so out of all their run plays, they had four
run plays that were designed to the outside. No outside
zone yesterday. From what I recalled, it's too much stuff

(13:35):
to the inside. To the interior, I don't And I
said this last week, and I'm just repeating myself. But like,
I don't know how the blocking gets better unless if
the guys just get better, like it, it gets better, just
played better. Landon Dickerson's got to get healthier and get

(13:56):
back to it. Cam Jurgens has to get back to
playing better. Tyler Stein is what he is. If he
could reach another level, you know, then then cool. But
like I'm not upset. I'm not like necessarily upset at
Tylerstein played solid, solid, Like you know, he's not beck
and I know that we missed McKay Becken and in

(14:18):
the run game, but like Tyler Stein also, i'd say,
like I said last week, is an improvement from McKie
in terms of past protecting. So it's kind of like
a trade off. And I don't get like McKay beck
I miss him, you know, I wish him well, but
like that's not something I necessarily like will buy into.

(14:39):
Is that take? I think the fine with Steen The
issue more so is Jurggins and Draggins. Dickerson my Lota
has had his ups and downs, but you know, the
tackles don't worry me as long as they're on the field.
It's the interior. So I don't know how else you
fix it unless they just get better. Now we're and

(15:00):
they get better. Yeah, because Dickerson can get healthier as
the season goes on, but like you know, how long
exactly will it take for him to get close to
one hundred percent? I don't. I don't know. The other
issue with the run game is that, like I think
p Y you had mentioned it, but like on first down,
they're they're going, they're running on first down, way too much.
It's it's so predictable.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
And then like, especially in the second half, they were
running into so many loaded boxes. I don't know why.
Last week they were trying to skirt the truth or
like deny the truth of what's obvious. But they are
running into eight man boxes. It's not even fair. Like
it's that first run in the second half where Sequon

(15:43):
got met in the backfield for that negative run, Like
they're no, like they had no chance. There's a defender
was unblocked in the backfield, no chance. I had no
chance at all. And that's what happens when you run
into a stack box. It's your outnumber, so there's nothing
you can do.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
And then also what happens when the defense knows exactly
what you're doing. Yeah, this is true in the run
game and the pass game. Yesterday the second half, Todd
Bowles was just playing with them, you know. It was like, Oh,
you're going to throw it over here, Okay, I'm gonna
put three guys right there, you know, I mean, what
the hell you know a lot of them? Yeah, try

(16:26):
something different. It was like they just totally lost their
composure as a play calling groups.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's frustrating because it gets like the Eagles were doing
a good job in the first half, but we talk
about adjustments, right like and Todd Bowles over the years,
he's had success against Jalen Hurts because of all the blitzing. Well,
the first half, we said, the blitzing ain't going to
work today because we know how to beat it.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Second half comes and what does Todd Bowles do. He
completely stops blitzing. Like it was a lot of simulated
pressures and and a lot of like, hey, we're gonna
crad the line of scrimmags to show blitz, but then
we're only going to send for still and drop everyone
in the coverage, and you're going to have to decide
who's going to pick out, who's going to be you know,

(17:17):
who's gonna be coming in, and you're gonna have to
beat us through the air with with with seven guys
in coverage, and we could not figure it out. And
there were a lot of other.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
By the way, even with about the blitz, there were
free rushers coming.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, yep, It's that's what happens when you when you
simulate pressures like that, when you have everyone kind of
the line of scrimmage. You don't know who's gonna come,
So like they would slide pressure slide protection one way,
but then they would only have two defenders coming in
and then they would be out numbered on the other side.
So like it's it's a lot of As I was

(17:58):
watching the film in the second half, it wasn't just
one thing. And I know that the easy thing at
p y Uh is to pile on Kevin Patulo, and
he takes a lot of blank he takes. He takes
a lot of blame. But I also don't think it's
just on him. You we talked about execution with the

(18:21):
run blocking. That's not on Kevin Patulo. We talk about
the receivers executing certain routes. And one of the things
that my friend, my friend Shane Half pointed out is
that on these concepts where you have clear out routes,
both AJ and DeVante are not running full speed, so
they're not clearing out of the defender. So who is

(18:42):
that on? Is that on Kevin Patulo? No, that's on
the player. Another thing is and we can speculate, we
don't know for sure, but it's post was Jalen Hurt's concussed.
I think so because after that hit, after that hit,

(19:05):
he was off, I'm I'm telling you right now, and
especially especially throwing downfield. He had two deep shots to
AJ Brown in the second half that were just completely
off target and went out of bounds, no chance for AJ.
And then on that final possession where they they were
backed up in their own territory and they went three
and out with three targets to Aj. All of them

(19:27):
were bad decisions. Yeah, And the first down one was
an an inaccurate throw by Hurts, the second one was
was a poor decision to force it that was almost
picked off, and the third one was just late.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
It was late.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
So Hurts didn't play exactly well in the second half.
So it's a it's.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Again interesting idea in twenty twenty five, though, I just
don't know if you could really do that, if if
nobody would know on the sideline, nobody would get any
idea or where a day later now that they wouldn't
know a day later that he was concussed and put

(20:08):
him in the protocol. I mean, that's really twenty years ago. Sure,
that kind of stuff happened all the time.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Jenkins did it a few years ago where he skirted
it was.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
A few years ago. That was about five years ago.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
You're you're probably right.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Safety you know, he's not the quarterback. People aren't conversing
with him on the sideline every every play, you know,
I don't know. I mean, it's an intriguing idea, it
really is. I I I'm not saying it's impossible, but
I'm saying it's tougher now.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
It is tougher lesson. You're probably right. What I will
say is like, what I'm wondering is when he got hit,
like whether it was a defender or for was the ground.
I was surprised he didn't put him. I'll surprise someone
didn't call down to check on him, because he would
you could tell you was groggy and maybe he wasn't concussed.

(21:04):
It's it's it's it's probable, but I'm like, that was questionable,
and I was just like, I'm very surprised he's still
in there. And then we just didn't see a good
hurt from them on So I don't know what it was. Again,
it's speculation. I could be completely wrong, completely wrong.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
About Tampa's good.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, but they didn't suddenly become great in over the
halftime break I mean they're they're very good, but nobody's
that good. I mean, I mean that was.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Just excellent adjustments at the half, and the Eagles didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Look that's certainly yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
But did the Eagles need to go back to the
drawing board strategically on offense because last year Saquon just
took this entire thing by storm and was just lights
out from Brazil to the Super Bowl and no one
could stop it for whatever reason, whether it's Becton or
the continuity or health or whatever you want to call it.

(22:07):
That running running attack. I mean, they had how many
two hundred yard rushing rushing games last year? They didn't
even have to work hard to do it, Like they
laced up their boots, their cleats off the bus and
then they started the game with two hundred yards rushing.
If they didn't get two hundred yards rushing, it was like, oh,
like is the running game?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Like what are we doing? So they need to figure
out because Chucks you mentioned the eight man boxes, that's
exactly what's happening. Teams are determined not to let Saquon
Barkley bust them up.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, agreed, So.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Whether they have to, they got to figure out a
way to get sake with the ease up that defense
so they're not facing these loaded boxes the entire game.
So Saquon can do his thing because you don't don't throw.
I don't care what year it is. This take is timeless.
It's ageless. It's football one oh one. The run sets

(23:08):
up the pass, not the other way around, especially with
the type of quarterback that the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
I disagree with you there, though I don't. This isn't
the same NFL. It's not that anymore. There are there
are a lot of things that have kind of proven
that you don't have to have a dominant run game
to set up play actions out of the past, and
if you open up things up top through the passing game,
that does force defenses to not crowd the box.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
But the only thing they're doing right now to ease
up those eight man boxes is Jalen Hurts running up
the middle, which he's done very successfully on the whole
this year.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well, no, I hear you on that, but it's I
don't think it's as simple as okay, like you need
to run up the middle.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
And I agree with what you want, what you're saying,
but they need to go about the passing game in
a different way, to start football games, to loosen up
these defenses because we're gonna see both that. We're gonna
see both these teams again.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I just don't see why they can't scheme guys open
like other teams do. That's been the I don't understand it.
I don't understand why they can't run a rub route
without getting a flag. I don't understand you know why
they ran one slant to AJ Brown he caught it
for a first down.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Another one whole game, Yeah, makes no sense. Well, I
mean it's like it's like the the one other game
they ran him all on slat slants and then that
became predictable and now they don't want any It's a
it's like this team can't figure out the happy medium.
It's like it doesn't have to be one extreme or
the other.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Like I guess, I guess. Chuck's My overlying point here
is last year's form needs to be tweaked because it's yeah,
we all agree, yeah, we got another really good team.
I know, I don't know what's going on. It's like
it's fourteen to three Broncos, not really surprising.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
They supposed to be a good team. I don't, Yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
I don't think who they are, who they who are
they're supposed to be, and who they.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Are have met each other yet I agree with that
and that this is gonna be another.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Still not a bad team, certainly, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
A lot of good players, but like they're gonna need
to Like you don't think Sean Payton in that defense?
I think I forget who they are. Is it Raheem
Morris their defensive coordinator? No, he's the coach for the Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I forgot Falcons coach. I can look it up.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
But they but they have a lot of good players
on defense. You have a lot of players on offense.
So like they're gonna have to tweak this formula vance
Jo that's a name, that's a name been around a while.
Like they're going to have to do something.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Would it be nice to see the Panthers show up
on the schedule one of these weeks? This is the.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
It's gonna get a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
If you're sure that the Giants aren't any good. Even
though Jackson.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Dart they have no game breaking ability. With Molik Neighbors out,
they finally played there started playing their best quarterback and
now they lost their game breaking receiver. Yeah, because of
their because they don't fix that.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Is that is a graveyard.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
Like did you see like the list of white guys
who have gotten on that.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's that's nothing new.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
There's so many anyway, I don't do giants, which should
be wins, because I don't think Jackson Dart without Molak
Neighbors is going to fare too well against the defense,
which is we haven't talked about it yet, which is
we will solutely lights out. And then I forget if
it's a home game or a road game, but you

(27:06):
play the Vikings and with Carson.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Went Car, I deserve good things.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, so like in.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
There off the off the off, the I R.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, neither one. McCarthy is not scaring me either. I
think that with you know, with the offense, it's there's
so many things that can be fixed, but I do
think they will get fixed. Like I I don't need
to remember time last year we were having not the

(27:42):
same issues, but we were having and we weren't sure,
like what's what's going on? Like you know, how can
we fix this? And it's it still makes me laugh
that I see so many fans saying, I miss Kellen
Moore this time last year, people wanted Kellen more, they
wanted Vic Fangil fire, they wanted everyone fired. So that

(28:03):
that's why I say, let's pump the brakes a little bit,
you know, on firing every two seconds. Uh, you know,
I think that they still deserve time to figure it out.
But Kevin Botulo deserves so much criticism right now. There's
a lot of bonehuted things he's doing. But I'm still
I am still willing to wait and see what he

(28:24):
can figure out and learn. And again, it's not just him,
it's execution by the players. They and all that stuff
and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So but it does bother me that in getting an
offensive coordinator this time around. On my earlier point, I
think sometimes Sirianni is a weak weakness when it comes
to the offensive scheme. Yes, it took the guy's offensive
coordinator who's like Sirianni's mini me, you know, who's been

(28:54):
with him forever, and you're not gonna get a lot
of outside the box thinking. Nope, from the guy who's
been with Sirianni for half his life. And that does
bother me a little bit. I don't know what you
can do it. The problem with haring a good offensive
coordinator is exactly what happened last year and with Shane

(29:15):
Steichen before. You don't keep them. I wish there was
a way that you could find like a Vic Fangio
of offense, an older guy who doesn't want to be
a head coach again and you know is going to
come here and run the offense. But Nick would never
give up that level of control over the offense. So point,

(29:36):
but I honestly think that the Eagles could go unbeaten
if they had an offensive coordinator who really got how
to do this, you know, in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I agree like I would dive into his progressions though
through four weeks, like Kevin pittuel Let's Dallas and Kansas
City weren't good offensively. Of these guys played in the preseason.
Let's count those as the two preseason games, okay, which which,
by the way, you won both of them, one in
Kansas City and one against the division rival. Then you go,

(30:11):
then you go, you get the Rams at home. The
Rams are jacked. The Rams are I think, what are they?
Ten and three in their last thirteen games, all three
lost so you get hit in the mouth a little bit,
you go into halftime, you make adjustments, and you have
a gangbusters second half that tells me he can whether

(30:32):
it's Sirianni Jalen, Yeah, that's a good sign.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
That point.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Now you go down to Tampa and you know it's
in their head with the heat. They went down early.
They broke routine, which I didn't like, by the way,
but it worked out, so we'll give that a break.
You have a gangbuster's first half that tells me, okay, Kevin,
you and your offensive staff you can script plays. Yeah,

(31:05):
which is good. And then Todd Bowles kind of just
was the Ace of Spade trump card in the second
half his adjustments on defense, which he's always had Jalen
Hurst's for whatever reason, you know, he he he trumped
you on your adjustments and you didn't have an answer.
So now what he needs to figure out how to

(31:25):
do is how to build a script to start fast,
which we've seen, and accompany that with halftime adjustments too,
you know, counter the guys on the other side.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So, yeah, you had that's a good point, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Going to and firing firing a new offensive coordinator two
games into the season, like spid do you want to
be the Browns? Do you want to be the Jets?
Do you want to be?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Exactly, So like good, I want to build on that
with it because Joe's says, well, yeah, they didn't make
any second half adjustments because they played perfect in the
first half. But what was there to adjust?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
You have to make it.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Like Vic Fangio said this, I think two weeks ago,
and he said the halftime adjustments thing is so overblown
because him as a coach, he's constantly making adjustments in game,
like so like you have to consider that, Like, you
don't make adjustments just at halftime. Maybe a lot of
things can be talked up, talked upon at halftime, but

(32:31):
if you're a good offensive coordinator and you see what
Todd Bowles is doing in the second half, you have
to think quickly and tweak something to counter that. You
can't just say, oh, well he has this counter in
the second half to what we did in the first half.
I can't do anything after that. Like, you can't just
stay complacent for one half of football just because halftime

(32:54):
is over. It doesn't it doesn't work like that. So
you know, I I hear you. I'm glad you brought
that Upbrings, because he has shown the ability to add
new things and to adjust. Again, I don't want to
defend Kevin Patulo because overall he's not doing a good
enough job and there's a lot of there are a
lot of dumb things he's doing and dumb calls, and

(33:15):
mainly when the running game that I that I don't like.
But I think there's this there's this narrative or this assumption,
and I think Ryan Swap talks about it here. He's like,
stop with the constant five to ten yard passes, that's
why Hurtz only gets one hundred and twenty yards passing
most games. And then Ryan's he just follows it up
and asks, you know, why don't they attack more downfield?

(33:36):
I think you guys really need to like look at
the film, because they are like in the first half,
they are trying to attack downfield, like they're they're these
they are calling routes and plays that are going down
that are trying to attack the middle the deep area
of the field. So it's not like they're opening this up.

(33:58):
It's not like they're opening this games up and being
like okay, like everything short, everything short. No, like they
have been trying to call plays downfield. You guys just
have to understand it's not so much calling plays downfield,
it's the concepts they're running are predictable to where they
no one can get open like anything. Yes, lest we
talked about it right last week. So many two by

(34:21):
two sets, there's only so many passing concepts you can
run off of a two man route concept. There's only
so many, and it doesn't really help the scheme. Guys open.
And then if you're running a three by one set,
like if it's if you don't have the issue with
running with three by one set now is like okay,
if it's AJ on the back side who's isolated, you

(34:44):
can't just rely on It worked against the Rams, but
you can't just rely on go routes, slants and stop
routes as AJ's only routes that he's gonna run because
the defen is gonna keep that.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
M second half, he was against it. Much smaller guy
one on one, yes, and he just took the ball
away from the guy. You know yesterday it was usually
two guys, one on top and one underneath and contributing
to the problem and we really haven't discussed this. AJ
just sort of like we're doing this again, you know.

(35:19):
I mean, those were some crappy routes he did not want.
He was like, Oh, you're throwing me the ball. You're
not really throwing the ball. I'm going to trot back
to the huddle here. You know. I didn't like that
a bit. I'm generally with sympathetic to AJ because I
don't think they do a great job scheming for him,

(35:40):
but you did not get a I'm gonna take the
ball and save this game effort from him yesterday at
all at all.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
So before we switch over, because I do want to
touch on the defense because they they deserve more actually
more of the spotlight here, so I do want to
touch on them, but before we go, before we transition
to that, I do want to touch on this not
too long and I only get too into it. But
obviously A J. Brown's comments or that comments, A Brown's

(36:12):
tweet with that core, what are your thoughts? I mean,
I don't have any thoughts to it, but what I'll
start with Brinks and then we'll go to p WY
then less, what are your thoughts on on that and
the whole and the whole thing, because you know, we
have this comment here by slim Reapers is honestly, I'm
really getting sick. I'm tired of Agent. We don't need
that diva energy. I just watched his twenty twenty two highlights.

(36:35):
He is not the same player. He's slower and can't
get separation. I disagree with that, but that's right.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Can we not just see him go for like a
buck thirty against the Rams like like? Can we just
not like I get it, like I I hate to
telp people, then.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
We let let's let let brings go first. I won't
go around before you get into it. So it brings.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
This is the whole. This is a whole bunch of nothing.
This is what these receivers do. Whether it's loss or
too from other generations or whoever, whatever top proceeds, they're
all divas. If they have thirteen catches and two hundred
yards and a couple of touchdowns and the team loses,

(37:18):
they're gonna go to the media and say, oh, I'd
rather have two catches for twenty yards and we win.
Then when you win and they don't do good and
they don't contribute, they don't like that either. So the
only way to keep an DIVA wide receiver like AJ
Brown happy is for in that thirteen catches for two
hundred yards and you win every game by fifty points.

(37:40):
That's so like, I can't cater my game plan to
that when the only scenario he's gonna be happy is
really an unrealistic scenario in the NFL, especially when you
have a lot of mouths to feed. Last time I checked,
unless they change the rules while I was on vacation,

(38:01):
it's only one football out there for Jalen Hurts to
throw around Doddards getting his you know they're gonna run
the ball, That's what Nick wants to do. You have
Davonte Smith and then you have other fodder like Mechi
and Dotson who are gonna really gonna have to wait
to get theirs until you know, things really open up

(38:21):
with this run game. So I mean, and like they're
not trading AJ Brown, like whether he's on't.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Do that from a cap standpoint if they wanted to,
and they don't.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Want to, whether they whether he's on the team next
year or not, Like who cares, Like we're in Week
four trying to repeat I'll worry about next year in
March yes, so like he's gonna be here. I'm under
the strong, strong, strong belief that you need a game
breaking wide receiver like AJ Brown to win a Super

(38:51):
Bowl in today's in today's NFL. And with all due
respect to Davante Smith, who's a very good player, AJ
Brown is just a tick above uh, Davante Smith in
pretty much all forms. Like, I guess it could happen
where DeVante Smith took over a football game and won
it for you, But I've seen AJ Brown do it

(39:13):
multiple times on three different teams. Just let him, just
let them, just let him tweet and read his book
and tell him when the game starts on Sunday and
just just deal with it because you need them.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, why so this is a nothing burger. He's been
doing this the last few years.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
You know, they start off slow or the offense isn't
doing what it wants to do.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Look, he's a wide receiver one. This is what they do.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
They want the ball, they want to contribute, they want
to feel like they're making.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
A difference in the game.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
Like, I'd be upset if AJ Brown wasn't upset, I'd
be mad if AJ Brown was just which was just
cool with what things you're going This is what he does.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
He tweets.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
The next week he has a monster performance, and we're
kind of back on track, like this is just what
he does.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Like I'm not.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
I'm not throwing shade at Patoolo, but like you, we're
all throwing scripts out there.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Like, I just don't understand how in.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
The script we can't set up some smart, easy plays
for your wide receiver one to A to get him going,
to make him happy, to make the defense be aware
that that's Aj Brown out there.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
We have to double cover him. We have to we
have to leave him. We can't leave him open.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Helping Devonte Smith to get open, helping Dallas guy to
get open, obviously, helping MATCHI and and Donson and and
it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I don't love.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Saquon, but like I don't need to be throwing.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
The ball to Saquon like six seven, eight times in
the first half, like, especially when it's not working, and
especially when the wrung game is it working right now,
because it's not. He's average of what like less than
three yards of carry, Like obviously a J.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Dillon isn't better than a J. Brett, I mean than Saquon.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Barkley, but like he's finding holes, like he's able in
the little I'm not.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Saying he's findings.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know what you're limiting in his limited options. He's found,
he's found.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
What are you? What are you alluding to?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
P Y, I'm not You're You're getting You're getting emotional.
Just relax, You're getting.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
You're talking about that finding you was saying.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
He was saying, you know, like I know, AG is
not better, but like A J. Dillon's finding holes, why can't.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I'm not this isn't a thing. I'm saying that guys
are able to do what they have to do. Like
I love but I.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
I understand why we're throwing the ball to him like five, six,
sevens in the first half.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
That makes because when is in the football game, they
load the box. These teams are determined, like two thousand
yards is The NFL got together in the offseason and said,
if we're playing the Eagles, Saquon is not beating us,
that's great, So they change their defensive strategy. When twenty

(42:22):
six goes off the field and twenty nine comes in.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
That's great. AJ Brown is still on that field. A J.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Brown is available.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
A J.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Brown can make a difference like that in again, and
this would be a different story.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Sniffed, I sniffed a hint.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Of I love, he's a phenomenal I want.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
To get five to six catches.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Why is it such a big deal that they're throwing
like when they're getting blitzed heavy up the middle and
there's free rushers everywhere. Why are you so against it?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
If it's a fact, I'm fine with it.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
But it wasn't that effective on Sunday, Like, we're not
going really nice if they keep loading the box.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
One of these checkdowns to is going eighty yards to
the house.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I would love that. I would love for that to happen.
But with not being as effective as he is to
start this season, like obviously, if he was doing what.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
He was doing last season, buck fifty every game, I
would say, a stop forgetting we're.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Getting he's not even letting me finish talking.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
So you're getting too.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Much of a tangent. You getting too much of I'm
I'm merely saying because you said I don't think we
need to be throwing the ball to five or six
times a game, And I pushed back on that, I
say saying the name I said getting him too much him.
I think it's fine to get one targets in the

(44:01):
passing game. That's the only thing. Everything else I agree
with you. Everything else I agree with you less before
you have to go, what is your take on this?
This whole a j Brown thing.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, the Bible Verse kind of bothered me a little
bit because of what it said. This wasn't exactly like
the other things that we've had. Some of those have
been totally manufactured over the last few years. This kind
of wasn't this is him posting a Bible verse. It
was colloquialized. It wasn't really the version of the Bible
that most of us have read. But if you're not

(44:33):
welcome to not listened to, quietly withdraw, don't make a scene,
shrug your shoulders and be on your way. That's that's
an issue.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
That's a tool of shade one hundred.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, you know that's an issue to me. You know,
this is a guy who feels like he's not being
listened to by somebody, and I assume it's petullo the
thing the larger issue here, and wrote about this today
for phl Y. By the way, if I could get
in a plug you had him not He shook Jeff
McLean's hand and walked away. Yeah, you had DeVante Smith

(45:11):
not there when they opened the locker room to reporters,
and you had Lane Johnson declining comment. Now, I covered
the team a long time, and I don't remember ever
going to the locker room after a woman and having
three key players not available to talk, three key offensive players.

(45:33):
There's somebody here that really needs to get They could
use a come to Jesus meeting with a lot of people.
I kind of feel like, yeah, there's there's an issue
here that needs to be addressed, and it's not just
with aj This was remarkably troubling to me that, you know,

(45:55):
if your if your argument is going to be therefore
and oh everything's wonderful, you know, up try to stop
making waves about nothing. I think yesterday's locker room was
a pretty solid rebuttal to that. Frankly, if the players
think it's a problem, it's a problem. So anyway, But
with aj I, I didn't like his body language during

(46:21):
the game.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I think they really need to get on the same
page with him to figure out something to get him open.
You don't have to throw it to him. Nine times
like they did yesterday, when he's not open, but you
have to figure out ways to get him open and
get him at least three or four meaningful touches. Any Yeah,
meaningful touches the real you know, chances to score a

(46:45):
touchdown touches and if you can't do that, then you
have a problem. That's that's my that's my feeling.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I think that with with A J. Brown, I don't
I don't really care that he I don't really care
about all the noise. I'll put it that way. I
don't care about like, you know, the media and the
fans making a big hoopla about all this, like it's
this is like you like p y and brings you

(47:15):
guys said, this is a common theme we've we've had,
especially you know last season, where if the passing game
isn't working, he he does something right that there's something
that he riles up, something he said as a comment,
and I don't.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Last year it was just him saying, hey get this fixed.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, there is nothing wrong with saying that.
And then like with this with this cryptic tweet, I
get it, and so like it's it's it's usual, will
m H do I prefer a player to do that.
I do not. It's not my thing that I prefer,

(47:57):
you know, I I would rather I I I prefer
the way that Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley kind of
like go about things. Joining of my lot of too
is a great, great leader whatnots become a great leader
in that locker room. That's how I prefer. However, I
think over over the years, I've also learned that there

(48:17):
are more ways to lead, different styles of leading. And
this was even an issue a lot. This was a
topic last year with Darius Lay. Like a lot of people,
he was a captain, and but the way he went
about his his business, people didn't like fans and didn't
like he was on podcasts and all that. And all
I said was, this is his personality. This is the

(48:40):
way he leads. And every single person, the way they
lead is not gonna be the way player A leads
or whatnot.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
So A J.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Brown has his personality is what it is. I think
that it's gonna in the end, it's gonna be fine.
I think that this locker room knows who he is,
and this locker room knows he has the best intentions,
even though sometimes he says stuff where he should that
should be buttoned up. But I don't think it comes
at a place of malice. I think for me, we're
gonna have he's gonna have to be doing sit ups

(49:10):
in his driveway for me to really be fitting, like,
you know what I mean. It's gonna have to get
to that level for me to be like, Okay, aj stop,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
So.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Not to speak to him unless spoken to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
It has to get the to levels of drama for
me too for me to really think it's an issue.
So it is what it is. I don't care about
all the noise it's going to. I think it's gonna pass.
And I in a way, I do think that even
though it wasn't the best means of doing it, in
a way, I think it's still a good thing that
it's brought up because again I think this, I think

(49:47):
this team has proven with its leadership and its culture
they know how to fix things and get through adversity. So,
like I don't they deserve the benefit of the doubt
to be able to figure things out. It's week four
of you know you you said it multiple times brings
it's a week four of twenty twenty five. Let's it's
a long season, and I think a lot of fans

(50:07):
during the season forget that A lot of things that
happen in September don't stick when it comes to the
season long, Like September Week one is like overreaction. Central
September is still a lot of like overreaction stuff when
it comes to season long projections and how things end up.
So I'm not worried really for how things will go.

(50:28):
But I know a lot of fans others. I have
seen a lot of fans get tired of AJ and
I think it's a little ridiculous. He's not going anywhere.
He's not going anywhere. So yeah, unless you can, you
gotta stick around. Do you want to talk about the
defense a little bit?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
But if you ever, Yeah, that's all right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Oh perfect, Okay, So we talked fifty minutes about the offense,
I guess because that's that's the hot button topic. But
I do want to spend time to talk about the
defense because days there's so much credit and so, like
I'll say, my quick spiel is that like the defense
essentially played the whole second half, like and they they

(51:05):
really buttoned down. I mean the effort that they that
they that they had on there. Now, I know they
gave up two explosive plays and that's that sucks. And
those are definitely like they had to get fixed. And
I think every week now I think p Yu said
in our chat or was it Jake, I forget, but
every week the defense has given up an explosive play,

(51:26):
which is very uncharacteristic of a Vic Fangil defense. So
that has to get buttoned up. And you know, Vic
Fangiel was really really mad to see those plays. But
if you take those out, and I know it's bad practice,
but I'm saying like over all, in the grand scheme
of things, from the game, they played so well. They
they were in control, they gave Baker fits Quina and

(51:48):
Mitchell had the game of so far. Cooper Dejene had
an amazing game, Like you know, Johan Campbell, even though
he got beat on that that that touched ONWN Irving,
he came up with that intersept like I can like,
I can't speak well enough about this defense and how
they continue to answer the bell and continue to a

(52:11):
little bit.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
So yeah, and but even though it's very close pass rush.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I don't know, Like I'm not I'm not as concerned
about the pass rush when it comes to yesterday's game
because they actually, if I saw the numbers, like they
actually pressured Baker Mayfield a lot. They had a lot
of pressure on Baker Mayfield. They just couldn't get home.
So that I guess that's the that's the concerning part.
But like I thought, from from an interior and pocket

(52:39):
collapsing standpoint, they did a good job overall. So like
I think it's coming do it? Do they need an
edge rusher? Yeah, they need another edge rusher, like they
absolutely do. But I think that they they did well
with what they had, So I I hats off. Game
ball goes to QUINL Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Oh my god, insane was god mode yesterday. You couldn't
touch him.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yeah, he was in like Champ Bailey mode yesterday. It
was awesome. Well last yeah, what's your takeaway? You're one
take away on the defense.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Well, the long touchdowns were bad, but anytime the defense
can get you two turnovers and a half and two
fourth down stops, you know, I think with the Eagles offense,
you should be able to win that game. And I
wasn't you know, I wasn't nearly. I didn't think it

(53:31):
was a wonderful day for the defense because of those
two long balls. But it was given this given know
Nolan Smith, you know, which is a huge thing really
and it's going to be a huge thing going forward.
I thought they played very very well. Bond was incredible, Campbell,

(53:51):
you mentioned Quinnyon and Cooper. Yeah, it's that's the real
difference people talk about twenty twenty three with the these
narrow escape wins.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
That you know that it's doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
What's not And the main reason it isn't is the
back seven on the defense is so different than it
was in twenty twenty three. You know, in twenty twenty three,
the way I remember it, and maybe this isn't exactly true,
but my takeaway was that the offense had to outscore
the defense. Defense was so bad.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
And the offense of Washington games.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
The offense started pressing to do that and making Jalen
was throwing interceptions, trying to play hero ball, and it
all fell apart, you know. And also the leadership wasn't
what this group is. I think, you know, there was
a lot going on there that I don't think is

(54:51):
going on with this team. But I do think the defense,
I am worried about a few things, but you know
it was they made the plays. They they did not
disappear in the second half, like yeah, and I think
that's just Vic Fangio, you know. That's that. That's why
I said, you need a guy like that for the offense. Really,

(55:14):
I just wish you had him and you don't. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Can I also say this before why before you go?
Because I think you'll like what I have to say.
After looking at the film, Ringo did play better than
I expected. He did play better than I was and
he didn't I don't think he was a great I
was surprised that he wasn't tested more, and I think,
hold on, I think that if had he been tested more,

(55:41):
there were definitely some some separation and some coverage lapses
that he would have given up a catch. So it
wasn't perfect, it wasn't great, But uh, I think the
bigger thing for me in coverage was that he knew
his assignments well, so like he knew where to be.
That's that's the main thing. I think there are still

(56:02):
limitations in terms of athletically and movement wise and I
still am very concerned about him and run support and tackling.
It just is just really really.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Get away from that trying to tackle. People do better.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
But and I I've said this for weeks now, I like,
we just need adequate cornerback play out of that position.
It doesn't have to be good. It doesn't even have
to be good because everywhere else on the defense is good.
Or we just need adequate. We just need a guy
who's not going to give up consistent like huge plays.

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If we can get adequate play from either Ringo or Bennett,
I don't think a dory is it. I think if
if I were going to rank them in terms of
who I have faith in, I think a doory is lost.
So whether it's Ringo or whether it's Ringo or Bennett,
I think if they're just adequate, will be good, will
be fine. So yeah, people, I go ahead. Your takeaway

(57:05):
from the defense, I thought the.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Defense played really well, Like obviously, like I'm will upset
that the past rush just couldn't get home a little
bit better just because there are so many times where
Mayfield was dead to rights and you just couldn't get
I forget.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
What the one player.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Continues to excel, like I'm not. I'm not gonna kill
Joha for that that touchdown. You know, any anytime you're
you're you're covering a wide receiver for that long period
of time, or running back for that period of time,
you're you're you're you're you're asking to get burnt. I
feel bad for m because I don't think mccouba should be.

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I don't think that's his fault. I think that was
Cooper de Shean's fault. He tried to jump the route
and he kind of got in the middle of Macooba's coverage.
That's just my opinion on that. Quinn was when you
watch it, like he's covering him a and and Cooper
gets like tries to jump in front, and I think

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that's Ship Blankenship.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I thought it was cool. Yeah, pretty sure that's Blankenship jumping.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
In Yeah that was Blankenship.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Wasn't but no, Like I was excited to see what
happened with Wakeeley. I thought he played well, Like obviously
early on, you know, he needs to attack all a little
bit better. He had He had a fourth down the
pass break up, which was great.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
That was.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Like because that's a big moment like if they couldn't
hurt that, that's a different game. That was once again,
that's that big game of mentality coming from Georgia being
able to do that.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Like I I understand he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Perfect, but he's twenty three years old.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
He's started less than six games in his NFL career.
Like I just think while he may not be like
the star that some people may have hoped, I think
I can think he can.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I it's once again, he's twenty three.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
He's had six games as a star there, Like that's
that's not enough for me to be like, yep, that's it, that's.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
What he is because I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
I only think it's twenty four and then he's gonna
be twenty five.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
Yes, but like it's early, like sometimes it takes time
for when he came was twenty when he came into
the league, Like it takes time for guys to develop.
It's not like he's coming in when he's twenty three
and like his third year is like Alwa's twenty six.
Uh oh oh, you kind of know what they is,
Like he's ridiculously what is make you have to make

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a decision financially when he's twenty three.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
Sure, and guess what that's what this is. He's getting
the opportunity he's going to show you. It's either he
can take that next level and be that star that
you hope he is, or at worst a star.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
How do you know that? How do you know he
can't develop?

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
How don't we give him four or five games he
can develop?

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Sure, but Mitchell is a star.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
No water is wet.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Well on k Ringo for him to be a star?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Can he be a good starter?

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Can he be a serviceable starter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
A quarterback that you took in the fourth round?

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
If he is a serviceable starter at CB two, when
you have two studs at CV one and Nickel, I'm
okay with that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
That's a steal. That's a great pick.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
That's it's someone not to mention the fact that he's
good in special teams like I know what I have
in the Dori Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
He's not the greatest tackler. He's not the greatest in coverage.
You know, I don't like big name wide receivers on
him because they baptized him. The name of the father
is the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Okay, p y to be fair, though you weren't willing
to give credit to a Dory even though he was
playing better over the past seven weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I'll give him credit for the Rams game he played better.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I mean like there is bias here where you're not.
There's a double standard where you you just you weren't
speaking this way about a door even though he did improve.
Yet you're willing to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Know where the is. I know where the door is.
I want to see what Ringo. I don't care about
Dori Jackson. I I know who he is. I want
to see is.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
I want to see what he can do. I want
to see what it looks like. And it's either he's
gonna be serviceable or good, or he's gonna he's gonna
ship the bed and look like James.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Bradbury in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I'm willing to go down that road. It's un till
it's boom or bust. I don't care.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
It's it's either he's flying high or the wagon's on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I'm okay with either option.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
You I see. I respect that stands because you like
Ringo a lot someone as someone who wasn't as high
on Ringo in the draft, I don't mind that route.
I'm more I've seen and there are people that agree
with you. I'm not saying you're alone. I'm off the camp.
I'm off the side that what I've seen from Bennett

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in limited reps has impressed me more than what I've
seen from Ringo. I like how Bennett has sticky coverage,
is better athletically and it's always around the ball and
as a better tackler. That to me, I value that.
So everything you said about like, hey, I want to
see this move forward like I want to you want
to see how things go. I'd rather want to see

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how things go with Bennett. But he's not coming back
anytime soon right now, So Ringo has an opportunity now
if he can continue to to not be bad, then yeah,
I'm good with it. I'm good with him getting the start.
I just want you to be fair because we know

(01:03:01):
how you were talking about a Dory when a Dory
was in here, so there is a little bit of
double standard. But Brinks go ahead before before we get.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Yeah, I mean the linebackers are unbelievable, yes, Jahad, I
mean you have a second Zach Bond out there this
year with the with the with the edition of Jehad
Campbell with the one of the last picks in the
first round. I'm not sure what everyone was looking at.
Shoulder looks fine to me. Uh, but that gives Vic

(01:03:32):
Vangio so many options. Like Zach Bond blitzes a lot
more this season, Jehad Campbell can blitz because there's another
linebacker in the middle of the field that can do
has really no holes in this game. They can they
tackle everything, they can cover their fast, they're athletic, they're
always around the ball, and just unbelievable, unbelievable scouting over

(01:03:56):
the past two drafts by Howie Roseman to seek out
really getting Yeah, I'm not gonna put the coupe on
the Pro Bowl level, but I'll put your hot Campbell
on the Pro.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Bowl Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
When it's gonna be all pro.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Don't don't don't don't don't.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Jump back now, well, I mean that that's play on
that plague And maybe what did I tweet something or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
You prow you don't get to skirt around. This isn't
like last year.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Right after probably right after this, he saved the game
against the Chiefs because Travis Kelson can't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
You said down, I always often ten toes down with
everything I say until it burns.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
All right, you gotta go, you gotta go see a
little continue this bickering next week. But before we go,
Joe does ask real quick, because what do they do
with Nakobe when he comes back? Uh less, I'd like
to get your input on this too. But what I
I think it's even if he's going to be activated,
I don't expect Nakobe Dean to be near one yet

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all this season at all. So like I know fans
are excited for him to come back because he can
come back and all that, but I don't expect that
that type of a while to fully over from.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
That's exactly right, Chucks I. And and if he is somehow,
you're not going to sit down either of these guys
to play with na Kobe Dean's a good player, but
both of these guys are better. Maybe if it's the
fangio by playoff time can figure out some trick defenses

(01:05:58):
where you'd get Nakobe on the field for one thing,
and maybe he can give Maybe he can make Bond
or Campbell, you know, maybe he can listen to burden
on them that they don't have to play every snap
of every game. But yeah, that's but no, they're not
going to step either of these guys for Nikobe Dean

(01:06:18):
the way things are going right now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Yeah, yeah, good point. All right, gentlemen, awesome show we had.
I figured we'd have a lot to talk about in
discuss a great conversation where we're going to have another
good one, I assume next week because we got another
tough team ahead and keep us playing right now and
winning right now in the Devon Broncos. So we got

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a tough defense. This offense has got to wake up.
I have faith in our defense. So we'll see what
the offense can do, what changes they can make moving
forward for the rest of a two dbates you catch
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(01:07:03):
for p Y. We appreciate you. Stopping bye. Will be
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Go birds, peace out

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yes, take care