September 23, 2025 • 59 mins
Things looked bleak halfway through the game, but the Philadelphia Eagles’ passing attack finally woke up as they stun the Los Angeles Rams with a thrilling comeback victory! In this week’s episode of Eagles Talk, we dive deep into the key moments that changed the game. What adjustments did the offense make? How did Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown connect when it mattered most? Was this an early turning point for the Eagles' season? And we’ll give our reactions to the epic finish to the game when Jordan Davis blocked the Rams’ game-winning FG attempt
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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(00:44):
just on time, kind of late as usual, last minute,
professionally tardy as I can maybe say, is one p y,
what's going on? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
A wizard? Is never late? He arrives exactly any means too.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, I don't. I'm Star Wars over Lord of the Rings,
so that's fine. But yeah we are. We are alive.
U p I. How are you feeling? Are you still
on that high from yesterday's amazing comeback victory?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
So I got I go from spending the week in
South Carolina to like running on like fumes on a
Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
To go into the game or watch I'm watching the
game at the bar.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm like my heart is in my chest the entire time,
and that that last like two minutes I swear to
God like I thought I was gonna have an asthma
attack on my way home. I can't breathe, Like I'm
like like hyperventilating, Like I told my buddy, I'm like, dude,
we need like another five minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Let's order something else so I can breathe.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That's awesome. That's awesome. I hope you had a good
time down in South Carolina. Ironically, what's what's really funny
is that breaks us down there, and that is that
brings us down there too.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
So the best part of being down there is so
we went at Charleston for my birthday and I ended
up buying like like an.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Eagles coaster or something. I said, oh, this is cool,
my favorite Eagles design, and so you know there's I'm
actually an Eagles fan.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
The guy who sold it to me is like, there's
like a lot of Eagles bars in Charleston.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I said, what, you never expect that? You would never
expect that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I have expected that. I would not have expected that.
That's weird. That's cool though, weird in a cool way.
So you know.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
What, winning on a block vehicle, Oh, that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Is that is awesome. That is awesome and there's so
it's so apparently Charleston and the Tampa area a big
subhives for Eagles.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I'll never get the Tampa thing.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
There's a guy who calls the w IP at least
like every few months who's from Tampa, and he's like
always talking about like how big of an Eagles hive
it is down there, And I never get it, Like.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
What is it about Tampa?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't know, because I know that in general, for
this area, the Northeast, like you know New York and
and and Philadelphia area, a lot of people they retire,
they move down to Florida, and it's just always been
the thing, like it's it's there's a lot of people
down there, and maybe that's where it kind of like
grew from from, just a lot of just this area
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people retiring and going there and then staying down there.
I mean, I whenever I go down to you know,
Disney or Universal or whatnot, or I go to Tampa
to visit my brother in law's family, it's so many
Eagles fans, so many Eagles fans. So it's it's fun.
It's a lot of fun. But Charleston will have to
add that to a list of of uh, you know,
(03:51):
places that have that have a lot of Eagles fans.
So that's good to know. It's very very good to know.
But yeah, let's get to this game because copy as
we alluded to, winning on a block field goal. I
don't know if I've ever ever really know what wait,
Matt Ware in two thousand and five that two thousand
(04:11):
and five, Yeah, that that was a block field goal too,
I believe so, uh that you know, it doesn't happen often,
but that's it's very, very impressive. So let's get to
the conversation about that victory. But by starting off with
our poll question of the evening, the Eagles don't need
their run game to be as dominant as it was
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in twenty twenty four for them to win the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl again, agree or disagree, So if you're listening, fam,
definitely let us know what you think. We saw the Eagles.
We saw the Eagles offense be asleep for the first half. First,
you know, the first drive was was one thing, and
then the second half you had the first possession that
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was bad, and then from there it was just let's go.
So the passing attack, which we alluded to last week
on you know Egostock. We didn't have Egostock. Last week,
Les was joining me and Pete on film the on line,
and we were talking about how this passing attack really
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need to wake up and lo and behold, the passing
attack woke up and was able to help that comeback victory.
So seeing how things played out and seeing how the
run game still hasn't found the type of dominance they've
had last year, Pee, why do you think this this
(05:41):
We don't need one game to be as dominant as
it wasn't twenty twenty four. Can we win like this
where it's now we're back to being a past first
team and a run team second secondary or you know,
do you think the run game is still the key?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I think the run game is still very important, and
I think like having a weapon like Saquon is important
because he can he can take the offense to new levels.
But no, I don't think it has to be as
dominant to win a Super Bowl. Look at twenty twenty three,
like obviously we didn't have that type of running performance
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like the Utra stuff was good, but he wasn't like
Saquon and they went eleven and six like like they
obviously but you're, yeah, at least let me get to
the point before you poopu it. So they had to collapse, right,
Could we be a twenty twenty three offense while having
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what the defense that we have right now? Because if
we had half of what the defense was of this
in twenty twenty three, we probably go to an NFC
championship game. Like if aj Brown doesn't get hurt like
the week prior, like, maybe we're having a different conversation
and maybe we win that game.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
In Tampa, we were.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
A good enough offense to go deep in the playoffs.
The issue was we had the worst pass defense in
the NFL. We couldn't rush anyone. Our safeties were cheeks.
That's not the case here. Like Jalen has shown he
could be an effective passer. He can do what he
needs to do with his legs when you when the
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game is on the line and it's on his shoulders,
he can win the game for you. Maybe you don't
need Sakuon busted it for one hundred and fifty yards
every game, because if you can be that twenty twenty
three team with an effective offense but not having a
bottom defense, because even if like you had like half
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of that or maybe instead of being the thirty first
pass coverage team, maybe you're the twenty first and maybe
you go further. And that's kind of what I feel
with this team is Jalen is for nomenal, aj And
and Davante are are next level wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Dallas Goddard's the top five tight end.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
When he's on the field, you know Sekuon is still
going to give you good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Aj Dillones looks solid, not anything special.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
He's been solid like he's been he's he's he's running
back to like whatever, like it doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
But and the defense has look good.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
They've given up four and a half points over three
three games in the second half.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That's special.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Even if it's not the number one defense, Can we
say it's top ten right now? Because it looks it
like if we're having these arguments over CV two, Like
obviously Isaiah Rogers not being here is awful because he had.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
The greatest game in the history of quarterbacks ninety nine.
They have a ninety nine rating.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
So I also want to throw this out there, So
I want to play award out there for every Eagle
season going forward. It's going to be the Isaiah Rodgers Award,
that that one guy who we just decided, no, we don't.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Need him and then just blows up.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
That'd be interesting award that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
One because you'd have a lot of fun because you'd
be able to look at guys around the league, like
who did we let go and who doesn't suck?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
This season feels like, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
As much as I want another dominant Saquon season, I said,
you get to fifteen hundred, Like, I think it's a
great season for Saquon at this point. If he gets
a twelve hundred, I'm okay, because at the end of
the day, like this team as a specialist what Saquon
was last year. I think people we downplay a little
(09:47):
bit the effectiveness and the importantness of Jalen Hurts in
this offense because it just when Pickett was there, as
as special as Sakon was, we did look the same.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Because of what.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
He can do in the run game and play action
and things like that, Like there's no there was no
threat when Picket was there, Like you're just like, oh.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, he's not really nowhere. He's staying in the pocket
and he's doing stupid Kenny Picket things. You know what
I mean, he's too gloves for a reason.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So I just think that, like, even if the run
game is not as special as it was last year,
I think you can make a deep playoff run with
this quarterback because he's cerebral. He's he's a cycle path
who doesn't care about anything other than winning. He could
put up four hundred yards of offense on it by
himself if he needs to, or he can put a
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buck twenty five.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Keep the turnovers to a minimum. I just I think
a major portion is can he not turn the ball over?
And can our defense not be the worst in the league.
So yeah, without a dominant run game, yes you can
still have Super Bowl hopes.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Gotcha? All right? So we're I'm gonna bring in our
good friend, mister Les Bowen. Les, how are you great?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Less, did you send a handwritten apology note to Jordan Davis?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah? That was pretty funny, wasn't it. The viewers don't
know what we're talking about. Like a lot of people,
I was unimpressed with the first half of the Eagles
game Sunday, and at one point late in the second quarter,
I actually tweeted that is Jordan Davis playing.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I didn't see that, so of.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Course you've got to when you do something like that,
you have So I was at the end of the game.
I quote tweeted it like, yeah, hey, come on, everybody,
let's go. Let's hear it right now. I don't want
to hear about this three days from now from some
little tweed. You know. Let's all have our fun at
the moment, you know. But honest to god, I felt
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like when they were getting killed, I didn't see him
doing much. I saw Carter getting double teamed a lot.
I didn't see Jordan getting double team but he made
up for it in the second half. So all's well
that ends.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Well, yeah, that's what I did not catch it. I
didn't see the two. But yeah, so our pole question
Egos don't need the run game to be as dominant
as it wasn't twenty twenty four in order for them
to win the Super Bowl again, Les, what what do you?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean? P y?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
He made a compelling argument, and it was explained to
very well, what what what what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, I never thought they would be able to do
it the exact same way. I never thought sa Quon
Barkley was going to run for two thousand yards and
back to back seasons. That just doesn't happen. Uh. I
kind of think maybe they thought they were going to
do that from the way they started out with the
offense the first couple of games and even started out yesterday.
(12:45):
I think it was it's it reminds me a little
bit of last time they went to the Super Bowl. Uh,
and they started out the next season. Nick had all
this stuff about trying to refine the things that they
were doing well all the year before instead of coming
up with new stuff. That was a disaster because the
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opponents spend the off season figuring out, you know, exactly
how you did what you were doing well, and how
they can stop it. And in the case of like
the Rams yesterday, they actually went out and acquired players
to stop it. So, no, you're not going to do
it exactly the same way. They don't know, they don't
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need to do it exactly the same way. They certainly
proved yesterday if anybody had any doubts, they can do
it by throwing the ball. But I do think, and
I think this is important, They're not going to just
forget Sakwi Barkley. It what happened in the second half.
Barkley didn't get a lot of carries, But what you
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saw after they scored a touchdown and after they proved
that they could move the ball through the air. The
few carries Barkley had, he gained yards. There were holes there,
he didn't break one, but he was getting five six yards,
which was not the case. It has not been the
case in very many carries this season, really, especially the
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last couple of weeks. So I think if they open
it up and throw more and score some points and
get leads, that way, the run game will bounce back
to a very very respectable level. But no, they're not gonna,
you know, set records again that way. Everybody spent the
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whole offseason making sure they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean that's a really good point. I think that,
you know, I'll say this. I agree to the poll
simply because it's twenty twenty four was the you could
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argue the greatest single season for running back playoffs right right.
To expect that again is kind of like bar fetch.
And I think leading up to the leading up to
the season, I think we all had said, like, you know,
we don't think Sequan is going to regress, you know,
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when he's not going to be a worse player. We
think he's still going to be really good. He's well
underplaying it. We think he's still going to be elite.
But that doesn't mean he has to have two thousand
yards rushing. He can still be elite and still have
you know, numbers that aren't as good but still really
like still in that league category where he's you know,
top three in rushing in the league, and you know,
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still wanted showing that production wise, he's he's still up there.
So he didn't need to He doesn't need to have
the same type of season. He just still needs to
be him. He still needs to be elite and make
the plays when when we need him to. I think that,
you know, we need to just remember that, you know,
because I had what my friend Johnny Page on on
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on Towy. He does, he does amazing workout and you know,
we always discuss stuff, and he had said that, you know,
they need the Eagles need to have this running game
start to click in order to fix everything. And and
that's me paraphrasing. He didn't say exactly those words, but
I I respectively. I respectfully disagreed with that because in
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my opinion, yeah, I know that people believe that, you know,
good run game will set up the past so on
and so forth, and that's that's one thing. But there's
too much talent on this team, right, not exactly, there's
too way too much challenge this team for you to
be like, Okay, like we need the run game for
this to be sex. No, like, if the run game
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isn't working, then you should be able to go to
your other early players to make it work, to make
something work, And that showed in the second half of
the Universus. The egles is that Okay, enough is enough,
that's let's just get let's get the ball to our
early guys, guys, make them play. So you know, I'm
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I don't I do have film don't lie tomorrow with
with Pete and we are going to cover we we
weren't going to cover the Eagles, but with that game
being what it was, we are going to talk about
it tomorrow. So I'm trying to save, you know, some
of my points for tomorrow. But let's get into that
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second half. Yes, and let's we'll start with you. What
is what did you pick up that they did differently
that impressed you the most. What was the one thing
that you took away? And me like, okay, this was
one of the main reasons why they were able to
come back.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, Jalen hurts, but before I say that. Even funnier
than my Jordan Davis comment yesterday was so we had
family in town and we had made a commitment to
go to the Today the Music Festival over the weekend,
and it was going on Sunday, so we didn't really
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need to be there. My brother in law wanted to
see a certain act that started around three thirty, so
I watched the first half, and then I watched the
stripsack fumble, and I watched the Rams score and make
it twenty three six, and I thought, well, or twenty
six seven. I'm sorry to make it twenty six seven,
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and I thought, well, okay, I don't mind leaving and
watching the rest of this. I watched it today. I
did sallow it on my phone, and I was very
it's hard to know what the hell is going on.
Even with these the apps are pretty good.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
These days, but it's still hard.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Rams are lined up for a game winning field goal
and suddenly your phone says the score is thirty three
to twenty six.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Really, what happened?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
This a glitch? Glitch?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So anyway to get back to your question. By the way,
if you're superstitious, this might mean I can never watch
the Eagles again. I don't know, but uh yeah, I
saw Hurts in the second half. I saw a J.
Brown and DeVante AJ. Especially on some of those third
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down he was vicious, just you know, taking the ball. Yeah,
he was kind of like doing a Kevin Petullo. Here's
what I can do. And I know I don't buy
into any of the narratives about AJ being angry or
disaffected or any of that, but I do think he
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was making a point yesterday, and you know it was
a point.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Let him off the leash.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, the Eagles should take into consideration very seriously. Now
every defense is like that. He was playing against a
smaller corner. I think it was man more of a
little more often than it had been. But nonetheless, you
can do stuff like that. I mean, it kind of
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frustrates me that they don't their first touchdown thirty three
yards down the pipe down the middle to Dallas Goddard,
his only catch at the game. I just but yeah,
I saw the offense really really click into gear and
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kind of figure out what it can be, which is
something that needed to happen. The defense kept the Rams
off the scoreboard. The two blockfield goals obviously were a
big part of that. I still wasn't real totally happy
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with the defense elect the pass rush, didn't like the
run stopping at all, and didn't love the past defense.
And in a lot of cases we got into a
thing I wrote about this on phl Y where people
were saying things like, well, at least Jacorey and Bennett
tackles Nikua after he catches the ball, and Jackson wasn't
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even doing that. You know, when you get to that point,
that's not a discussion you want to. So there's a
lot still going on defensively. There are some wonderful things
that they do. They are a much better defense, as
p Y noted than they were a couple of years ago. Still,
but they've got to figure out some stuff there. They
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really do still, you know, And it didn't all get
fixed in the second half. The offense had the ball
most of the second half, you know, and that helped
the Eagles quite a bit. To help the defense quite
a bit. But yeah, I saw Jalen Hurts, I saw aj,
I saw Devonte in a second, and of course Fred
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Johnson saw Fred Johnson.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, people are how about you? What did you
take away from from from the comeback? That was like,
this is a huge reason why.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Kevin Patulo needs to open the playbook past page one
and see that there's there's other options.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Maybe the pages were stuck together.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Maybe maybe it's a really tough binder to open. I
don't like.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
The fact that like he's because Jalen's not animating on sidelines.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's not who he is.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
He's not psycho t breaking the Helmans, slapping tablets across
the bench.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's not him. But he's legitimately cousin Kevin Bottulo out
on the.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Sideline or having a very animated discussion with him basically.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Saying I'm him.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Let me do what I do, Let me get my
guys open, let me do what I know why I
can't do and what I did in the Super Bowl,
and then and that's fine, guys, and toss the ball
and throw deep shots because I'm the best.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
In the league at doing it. He's the best deep
ball thrower in the NFL. Like, and I understand that,
Like you want to be a little passive. You know
you have to play.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
This is what you want to set the game up
to be. You know, you're trying to make the run happen.
You're trying to limit turnovers. You know you have a
game plan.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I get that. But like he's a dog.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You have stars, like superstars, the offensive weapons, and you're
just not letting them do anything, like like you're not
like there's training wheels on this offense. There doesn't need
to be understand it. If you did one hundred believe
in the quarterback. This is a Super Bowl MVP winning quarterback.
This is a all Pro cornerback. Like he can get
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it done. He can pass the ball, he can do
what he has to do well.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
P Why I think what problem before yesterday was the
first two games. You have a lead in the second half.
It's a tight, low scoring game. And I said this
before Chucks heard me say it. So you've got a tight,
low scoring game, You've got the ball in the second
half with a lead, you can run for three yards,
throw a very safe pass for four or five yards,
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and push, push and move the chains. And then you
can run for three yards, throw a very safe pass,
push push, and move the chains and that's kind of seductive.
I mean, you're not taking any chances there. The clock
is running, and you know you're going to score points
or at least keep the ball away from the other team,
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and you're winning. But yesterday they weren't winning, and so
that was a very needed development to show that they
could do something else, and they did.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I what I will say, like I said, I'm going
to save the stuff for tomorrow for my show tomorrow,
But what I will say is, yeah, there there were
there were elements of the passing offense that were different
and then that I would I was able to catch
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after watching the film. What I will also say though,
is that in the first half, it's not like they
weren't being aggressive. There were actually a lot of play
There were several play designs that were targeting the middle
and the deep levels of the field. There were they
were incorporating more, you know, different things like QB runs.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
We saw in the first half, we saw successful q
run design to be run by Jalen Hurts. Uh so like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So bad after Lane left that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That that might have played a fact, you know, a
part in it. But I will say again like I'm
not trying to wait all this because it's hard to
say definitely because I'm not there. I'm hard to say definitely,
like what percentage is at fault for them getting behind
and looking so poor in the first place. But a
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good chunk of their issues were was execution issues. If
you look at like the the All twenty two, they
had a lot of there were a lot of plays
where there where the spacing and the route execution by
the receivers was really bad. If you guys remember on
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that first possession where we do eventually score, but there
was Hurts tried. It looks like Hurts is targeting Devonte
Smith on an out route, but then John Jobson's right
there and he gets his hand on it right and
you see them both of them really close together like that,
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that's that's bad route spacing. There was an other one,
i think in the second quarter where you know, there's
two receivers I'm pretty sure it was it was Darius
Cooper and someone else where they're literally like in the
middle of the field, right next to each other. And
then there's another play where a j Brown just doesn't
know what's going on, Like he doesn't run the route
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because he's not sure what the pall is and and
all that. There are several instances in the first half
where the execution just wasn't there. So I can't say
I know p Y loves the pylon Kevin Patula because
he has this agenda gave. But if you actually looked
at the film, there was some good things. They were
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jelling up and they were getting open down field and
they were calling plays downfield. It just the execution still
was it wasn't there. So it wasn't just Batulo. It
was the players to not really being on the same page,
pass protection obviously being a big issue. So it's it's
a mix of things. And the the changes we saw
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in the second half really did help. Plus Fred Johnson,
like you said less plus like it was just they
kind of the biggest thing. The biggest change in my opinion,
was they start they stopped doing so many condensed sets.
They spread it out and they they had three by
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one formations with a J. Brown isolated as the single X.
So in doing that, you get a J. Brown in
a lot of one on one matchups because the defense
is usually their tendency is too to be descend the
numbers over to the trip side. They want to be
at least four, but you know, for over threwd in
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that end, so they're gonna leave one on one on
a J brown side more often than not. And that's
when you saw a lot of those, you know a
lot of those. You know, the slant and this logo.
You saw the touchdown, the backshoorder for a touchdown. You
saw both third down conversions on the game when you drive.
Those were examples of him isolated in a three by
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one set, And that was the biggest change for me
schematically that we saw in you know, in the second half.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
So I wanted to ask you, Chuck. I think this
was you on social media. Maybe it was somebody else.
I'm old and I don't remember things. But it looks
like when they're having trouble running early in games, that
they're trying to run the exact same concepts that they
ran last year, a lot like right up the middle,
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and they just it's yeah, this is what teams, like
we were saying earlier, this is what teams have devoted
months to figuring out, and they just need to do
something a little different, not not run the ball, but
try another way of doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
You know, I think, yeah, I think schematically it's a
good conversation schematically in the run in the run concept.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Area, like.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It's it's always the Eagles have for for years and
then this is going back to like Doug Peterson and
that and like everything, especially under Jeff Stoutlin. Especially under
Jeff Stoutlin, they run a lot their their bread and
butter run call is inside zone. That's like they spam
that and they've been so good at it. A big
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reason why is because their offensive line is so good.
So even though the defense can key on it, there's
not much they can do when your your offensive line
is dominating. The issue right now, the biggest issue is
that the interior of the offensive line isn't dominating like
it was last year. Jurgiens has been has been okay,
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but not not great. Tyler Steen is what we feel like.
He's a solid right guard, probably like you know, a
little bit better than Makai Beckton was at pass protection,
but he's not nearly the type of mall or that
Becden was in the run game, and we saw like
Becten like he would move people in the run game,
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right move people in the run game. And then Dickerson
on the other side is probably the biggest factors. He's
not healthy, he's hurt, and I I don't want to
speak ill of him because he is playing tough and
we know like he's trying, and like I commend him
for that, but you can tell it's it's really bad
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and he's a liability on a lot of these runs,
a lot of these breakdowns in the run game. And
then it's because he's not he's he's giving up ground.
And then even that one screen to saguon that that
kind of just went nowhere, that's because Dickerson wasn't able
to keep his block and so you know it's that's
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the main issue with the run game is the interior
of the offensive line is not blocking.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Now, you could make an argument that, okay, since they're
not blocking, well, why keep running inside zone? Why keep
running in the middle, get to the outside, and I
agree with that. I think you need to now use
more outside zone. Encounter Encounter was their best might be
their best run concept last year. I think you need
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to run more of those and get take one outside
because the tackles can still move and you know it's
it's gonna be now if Fred Johnson's in there. I
know Fred Johnson was was great, but we all know
Fred Johnson's also more so limited in the run supposed
to pass game. So like that that kind of will
that could have put a wrench into that for against
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the Rams Lane Johnson is supposed to be okay and
fine for next week. But that's that's again that's the
issue for the for the run game, it's more so
the blocking. And I don't have an issue with the
the play design is the running. But if you want
to kind of if you if these if the interior,
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if they're not gonna block better, then okay, you might
have to go to your other one calls that you've
you've Yeah, but I trust Scout in that regard.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So on the defensive side, uh, why, I know you
talk about offense, what's what did you take from the
defensive side?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Sack bo is still really really good.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Jordan Davis is our best defensive player to start three games.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I I'd say Bond, Yeah, I'd say Bond. I wouldn't
say Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis Like, yeah, I'd say Bond.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I think I'm okay, I'm okay with that, but I
just think he's been so.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like explosive. I think he's been very good all over
the field.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
He's making tackles, he's making plays, he's getting to the quarterback.
He should have two more sacks he was able to
if he's able to finish like he's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, if yeah, no, I hear you. I don't mean
to downplay, downplay Jordan as he's been consistently good. And
this is a Jordan Davis that we haven't seen. So yeah, absolutely, And.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Jalen Carr there, if you're paying attention, get on that palatad.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Oh my god, yea, I mean he did. Yeah, trying
to think like this season on the defensive side, I
think obviously John Campbell was was solid and less to
your point, I think the run game was I think
in terms of negatives, I think that was the most alarming.
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I think we kind of expected and and we talked
about this last last week on Film Don't Life. We
expected the Rams to get Theirs in the passing game.
I mean, DeVante Adams that stuff for They're gonna get theirs.
And to be honest, Qun Mitchell did an amazing job
with DeVante Adams travel with Insane. Yeah, so amazing job.
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I don't have any issues. I think I think Quinon
deserves an A for that for the performance. Nicoua got his,
but like you can't help it, Nicolea does that to everyone,
so like you kind of expect that to happen, right,
But it's the it's the run defense that was kind
of alarming. I thought that they would be able to
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kind of have their way a little bit with Yea
this off.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
The blind for the Rams isn't anything. Yeah, you're scared
of you know, and to see them blowing those holes
open and and their backs, you know, really getting it
wasn't so much. They didn't have like a fifty yard
run or anything like that, but they every time they
handed the ball off they got positive yard.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
They were consistent except except for fourth down. Yet that
is oh my god, that play was an amazing play
unfold then, so I yeah, I I that was alarming.
You want to see better, you want to see improvement
(36:16):
in that area. Before before last week, the Rams run
game really was kind of struggling a bit. I haven't
watched the defensive side of the film. For the Eagles yet,
but I am you know, tomorrow when I watch it,
I'm gonna be I'm curious to see what type of
run concepts they were running because for the few years
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since like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, since since they got
since they got blanketed in the Super Bowl, McVeigh has
kind of changed his run for his run offensive run
scheme to more duo based instead of outside zone base.
And this year that run concept has not been good
because they don't have the offensive line, so they've been
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really struggling running but Latin. But yesterday was not the case.
They were getting pushed and so you know, I hope
that's just kind of like a blunder that get fixed.
But yeah, I think that's a that that's That's what
I'd probably take. My that would be my negative defensive
takeaway is that you kind of got to see the
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run game get better. What do you guys think of this?
And this would be our last question before we move
on from this game. Do you think this is a
potential if we look if we play out the rest
of the record season and we look back on this game,
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do you think this is this will end up being
the turning point game for the Eagles season where the
offense woke up. What do you think lost.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's so early. I mean, I think it could be.
We talked last year about the buy the game right
after the buye and and how you know how that
looked terrible, but it kind of was the the day
when they started to do things that they wanted to
do or they thought they were on the right track.
(38:13):
That was pretty early. But this is even earlier than that.
Week three is is that's a that's a very early
turning point. I'm not comfortable saying that yet. We might
look back on it and say that, yes, but there's
so much hard road ahead and so much that can
happen and injuries. You know, I'm not gonna say that.
(38:35):
It could be. It certainly was an important milestone that
we needed to see from the offense in particular, But
I don't know about a turning point.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
P Y, what do you think? I kind of agree
with less. I just I just think it's too early.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like this is like most teams, like they just don't
play in their preseason. It's them getting all the kinks out,
Like obviously, whatever you feel about Kevin Patulo, it's clear
that he's trying to figure out what he wants.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
To be as a play caller.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I don't know, maybe like script the first fifteen plays
that might help, just throwing that out there, but like
they're just trying to see, like what's working and what's not.
And there's certain things that the are clicking, and there's
certain things that are not. There are certain routes that
are working well, there's certain ones that are not. There's
certain pass protections that are not being followed properly and.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Some that are.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Like it's a it's an up and down situation right now.
But like wee three, I can't say, oh, it's all
figured out, you know, it's It's just it's just way
too early, and.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Like like thin can change. Like obviously, if if they
have like a.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Dominant performance against the against the Bucks and they and
they drop like a.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Thirty burger, yeah you could say this was the turning point.
But I just think it's too early.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair, that's fair any other takeaweks from
the game. I'm trying to think of it as like other.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Special teams for me. In addition to dissing Jordan Davis,
I was ready to fire Michael Clay at.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Halftime because Michael clay Man.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
They couldn't pick up a kickoff to say.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Because they kept doing that ball shoot michle ball.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's a ball lying in front of you on your feet,
you put your hands on it, and you pick it
up and you run with it, you know. I mean,
it's not they didn't put grease on it or anything.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
That was also like a problem last week is that
the Rams are starting at the thirty, the thirty five
befoty the fifty were starting like nine, twelve, ten, fifteen.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But of course then the special teams wins the game
with the two field goal blocks. So you know, Michael
Clay looks good. But they did sign a kick returner today.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Don't know what, Frankly, I think.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I think Darius Cooper is I think he's hurt. I
think they need another wide receiver to I also don't
think they felt too great about Mechi slash Bigsby.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I think it's less.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
About Mechi and more about Bigsby in the sense that
they brought me here obviously to be a part of
the running game, but also a big part of it
to be a kicker.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Returler. Yeah, he's not good. He hasn't looked good.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Games is I'm saying. I'm saying, and I can't put
I can't single him out and put the the the
knuckleball stuff like on him because Michi was having the
same issues. It's not like you were Bigsby, you were
you were having issues and like you just haven't been good.
So like it's I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Like.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Coordinator and you know for a week that you're going
to be facing this when you have those guys doing
that every.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Day, That's what I'm wondering, Like.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Like why they spent the week figuring that out because
they sure didn't look like it.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, it's it's I'm wondering that too. So if they weren't,
they weren't for padreession. I hope as I hope they
will be prepared next week because you know, all their teams.
I think the commanders have been doing it too, and
I would not be surprised if other teams didn't start
to pick up with it. Yeah, so like that that's
going to be a thing, and it's to be honest,
(42:27):
I I thought it was really smart, Like I I
tweeted that I'm like, you know, as frustrated I am with,
you know, with this game. The Rams are doing some
cool someone this was not fotball stuff, and I'm like,
that's really really smart, and they're the pickers executing it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Well, like that's Unfortunately his field goal trajectory was pretty
much the same.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
As ye.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And you know I happened to I went on the
Rams website and listen to the interview with him after
the game, and he didn't know. He was like, I
didn't do anything different After the first block, I'm thinking, Okay,
the ball was block. It was really low. I mean,
Carter didn't even really jump. You didn't do anything different.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
If you look at the other field goal attempts, they
were getting really close out every single attempt, So you
can you can really like you could really tell, well.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
The last one, you know, we've all seen it one
hundred times now and I don't need to tell you this,
but Jordan Davis block sat with his fore arm. It
didn't get a fingertip on it.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, it was here.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It was almost his help.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, and it's not like you said, It's not like
it was like a sixty yard field goal. Who was
like what, yeah, oh my gosh. So yeah, it's I'm
not complaining, but that's yeah, it's it's very questionable. So
it's I I can't remember less was the do you
remember in two thousand and five the Matt where block.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yes, Michael Michael blocked and yeah, and Matt Ware was
able to just pick that up in stride. It was
like the Herman Edwards miracle at the Meadowlands trumble thing
where he just picked it up and took off and
the Chargers were about to win the game with a
makeable field goal. I remember the yard age, but it
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wasn't a real long field goal, and suddenly Matt Ware
was was gone. The greatest play of Matt Ware's.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Career is that the only? Uh? Yeah, so that's what
I was saying at the beginning. So I think it's
the only other time I remember blockfield goal winning the
game for the Eagles, So it's it doesn't happen often.
But I mean, how many teams can say they have
two games in their history where they were one on
block field goals? So yeah, very it's very, very fun
(44:50):
very Uh The game, I definitely was a memorable one,
and I think that it was. It was nice to
see the offense kind of wake up, Like I said,
it's I don't think it was. I thought, in the
heat of a moment, it was like, oh, like they've
made so many some schematic changes, Like looking at the film,
it really wasn't as much schematically wrong Kevin Patula, as
(45:11):
I thought a good amount was on the players too,
so the players executing much better. Was was a big difference.
But you know, I think that hopefully this will this
will help Kevin Patulo, and I think a lot of
the Eagles fans. I think a good portion of Eagles
fans should have their phone taken away during.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
How maybe I should you know, I was really that
just looked and that looked ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I mean that was But your tweet honestly really wasn't
that bad of a take, Like it's you just thought that,
you know, he should be playing better, but like it
wasn't like a the amount of times. And this is
not just this year, this is like in years past.
And pe why is guilty of this too. I'll call
him out like during the middle of the and and
(46:00):
you know one of our other friends in our chat
too is absolutely guilty of this.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He's the worst over guys.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, the amount of people that that jump to conclusions,
extreme conclusions, and during a game, and like yesterday, just
so many people like fire Kevin Patula, Fire Kevin Patula.
It's week three, Like, let's let's all be patient. I
still remember last year, mirrle of the season, when the
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passing game was having its issues, everyone was saying the
same thing about Kellen Moore. Fire Kevin, Kellen Moore, Fire
Kellen Moore, and we won the Super Bowl. And now
it's revisioned its history because a lot of the fans
are saying, oh I miss Kellen Moore. No, no, you didn't,
like so many of you did not.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
The real problem here, perhaps is that we have all
these offensive coordinators, but it's Nick Sirianni's offense, and maybe
there's some things that, you know, wonderful coach in so
many ways, but maybe his passing concepts aren't always.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, you know, like they've they're doing ever since last year.
They're doing more stuff that doesn't make it as stagnant
as in years past.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
They're at.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, like and I know, like I give Kellen Moore
a lot of credit for that. It's not always perfect.
There's a lot of motion that doesn't do anything right now,
so it's a meaningless motion. But I mean there are
concepts there where you know, that were introduced last year
and I give you know, you got to handle them.
And maybe as the season goes on, hopefully we'll see
(47:43):
more stuff be implemented. And you know it's me b youth,
but yeah, it's just it's so early. Let's let's pump
the brakes on firing anyone on the coaching staff, and
you know, let's be fair. It's it's it's fair to
criticis a Kevin Patulo for what he should be criticized for,
but it's also fair to give him credit for what
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he should get credit for. And a lot of people
don't want to write, they don't want to admit that
things were better in the second half, and they I
don't I don't see people giving him his flowers like
they should be, you know, so just you know it's
important too.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
But the big guy with the flowers is Jalen Hurts.
I mean, they converted so many third long third downs
and they basically the game winning touchdown, as it turned out,
was a fourth down pass. Uh, you know, I that
there was an incredibly impressive second half for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
I thought, yeah, and I'm gonna get into this a
loto tomorrow. So if you're listening you want to check out,
Like when Pete and I do like film breakdowns, well
we'll get into like the nitty gritty of like what
we saw in film and every thing. It's really interesting stuff.
But one point that I'm going to touch on on
the show and it comes out Wednesday morning. One thing
(49:07):
I want to touch on the show on the show
is I think we need to I think a lot
of us have seen this, but I think we need
to reiterate for those who who don't give them the credit.
Is that Hurts is such a smart has become such
a smart quarterback.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
And.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Him him throwing an out route to a receiver for
a few yards may not look like anything, but when
you get into the weeds of it, like sometimes those
things are impressive decisions. And the touchdown to Smitty on
(49:48):
the game, which was the game winner, it may look simple,
but when you break it down, it's an impressive thing.
But not the primary receiver on that play primary exactly.
And that's the thing he's He's become such an intellectual
and smart quarterback where he will his decision making is
(50:10):
just top tier. It he knows where to go so
like it doesn't have to be a fancy like throw
on the move dime, you know, fifty yards down the field.
But you know, we see we saw this so much
with Tom Brady right where he was a flashy but
he made the right decisions all the time. Like all
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the time, he just made the right choices of where
to go with the football and sometimes if to the
to the casual eye, you don't you don't realize how
impressive a simple throw like that can be. But it
really is when you when you break down x's and
nose because it you know, it's and that's beauty of football.
(50:54):
When you get in the nitty gritty of it, it's
you know, it's really like that chest Matt. It makes
it so so much fun to to kind of like
you know, keep track and the follow So credit to
Jalen Hurts, like you said, less, I think he was
continues to be phenomenal and I think he's playing as
well as any quarterback can and has been so far
(51:16):
three weeks in considering the circumstance, like the circumstances and
the play like he's you know, the numbers might not
be there in terms of the volume, but like he is,
there's not much else you can ask of him, Like
he's the mistakes and the misses that he has, Like
I told you less last week, like it was like
(51:38):
maybe like two plays where it was like okay, like
could have been better. Like it's the same thing. It's
this week again. I saw maybe one or two plays
where I'm like, could have been better. But that happens
with every quarterback. So yes, he's playing so well. So
and he last remarks lust before we let you go.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, it would be really interesting. The Bucks know it's
been a terrible place for them to play. They're going
to go down early to try to get acclimated to
the heat. I really think, you know, if you look
at the games, I mean the Eagles were missing key
players last year. Yes, yeah, I don't think there's anything.
The Bucks are good, you know, and it's going to
(52:19):
be a tough game, but I don't think there's any
special jinks or anything like that that's going to keep
the Eagles from winning this game. I think if key
people are healthy, the Eagles are the better team. It
is going to be a tough environment to play four
quarters in ninety degree heat when you haven't been doing that.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah, yep, and hoping we can, I mean hoping that
extra day of prep for that heat. It doesn't make
a difference, but I mean, we shall see, but it
should be. The Bucks are good, they're rolling, they're confident.
I mean, three weeks are hurt. They're hurt, but three
weeks in a row it out.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
They might get some people back this week, which could
go you know, who knows.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
But Evan Evans is going to be out.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
What do you really know about what Godwin's gonna be
his first game back? Maybe maybe Worf's plays. Three of
their other like offensive linements are hurt, Yeah, and then back.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
How do you say his name? The Ohio State kid?
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Oh, the rookie.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, you're talking about the receiver.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah and Buka sorry yeah, Like he's kind of nursing
level something right now. Obviously I think he's gonna play
regardless he's but like they're just they're they're.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Not healthy right now.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
I think Evan not having Evans is huge, like because
he's probably gonna be out at least two weeks minimum.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, because then that you only have the last the last.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Few times they've played the Eagles when the Eagles are
healthy since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
They kill him.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
That's what I was getting.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, they were smacking them in that early twenty twenty
three matchup.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
They killed them. Yeah, what what hurt.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
The Eagles against the Bucks in twenty twenty four or
twenty twenty three when in the playoff game there's no sorry,
all their guys are hurt, No AJ, you know, just
nothing could get nothing could get going.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
The same thing in twenty twenty four. No AJ's hurt,
Lane's hurt. I don't think Davante was there as well, right, nope,
who's your who's your? Never went pass option in that game?
Got it?
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I think it got it.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
I was like it was.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
Gote Godard dots it.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah. Yeah, we're the chemistry with yet So yeah, I
hear you. And so it's a different definitely a different
feel going into this game. I'm confident. I'm optimistic, but
oh but yeah, less you appreciate it. Hopefully next week
will be and next week we'll have breaks back. So
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week hopefully we'll be talking about finally exercising the demons
and and talking about a win down in Tampa. So
but you enjoy the week and then we will see
you next week. You too, my pleasure, guys. As Les
Bowen always great to have him on r P. Y
(55:24):
we have a few minutes left. Anything else you wanted
to touch on Eagles related or NFL Week three related,
Floor's yours.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Daniel Jones m v P.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Daniel Jones is impressive. Yeah, him and Herbert are I
think should be the front runners.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
They sure I have.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
I have Jones as my as my top guy right now,
just because like they're h's insane, like no, like the
like Herbert's playing extremely well, but like nobody's really too
shocked about it, Like he's he's an exceptional quarterback.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Act.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
It's a really good team. Like if you look at
the Colts, like they're like, all right, this is gonna
be a bottom five team. They're not even putting Richardson
out there. They're throwing Danny Dimes out and he's been
whites out.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
They're three and now to start this season.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
Like his numbers are comparable right now with Josh Allen
and Harber.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And they played a really good team in the in
the in the Broncos. So I mean like the week before, right, yeah,
me too, So like this isn't this doesn't look like
it's fake. And I'm very very impressed, and I think, uh,
not only Daniel Jones has he played above expectations, but
like with that, with the stability at quarterback, now, the
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the receiving, the weapons they have on offense can finally
shine because they have a good amount of weapons on
that team. They just were never able to shine because Warren,
Yeah Warren. Now you know Jonathan Taylor is.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
I was just about to say that Jona Taylor is God.
He's hitting the priest mode right now.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
He's sig tearing it up. You know. Josh Downs is awesome.
So yeah, They've got a lot of great players there,
so that I think the Colts may be for real
and it is exciting. I love the nickname Indiana Jones.
I think that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
That is.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
I have one of my my.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
Boss at work is a is a diehard like Giants fan,
and I'm just like, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1 (57:29):
He's just like, I don't want to talk a rout it, dude,
but like I feel I feel bad for it because
he's just because he's just like he's not bad.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
He's like, I actually hope Jones does well because he's
just like he's in his own circle of hell right now.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
He's dealing with like the Russ experiment.
Speaker 4 (57:48):
And whether or not they're gonna play Dart and they're
playing Jackson Jackson Dart like he's twenty twenty jail with Hurts,
which is so funny.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
It's so much fun. Yeah, all right, Pee, why good show.
Let's carry on the Eagles high and excitement into next
week in CAMPU because they're gonna need it should be exciting.
Thank you for all you who are listening and to
tuned into the show. Again, remind you Wednesday morning, Film
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Don't Lie comes out. It's me and Pete Evans, So
if you are if you want to get into the
weeds and discussion of the film and what we saw,
we will be talking about this Eagles Rams game. Uh,
you know, talking about it will be one of our
the topics where we're doing Eagles, Rams and Bears Cowboys
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y for the rest of us at a two D.
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just on time, kind of late as usual, last minute,
professionally tardy as I can maybe say, is one p y,
what's going on? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
A wizard? Is never late? He arrives exactly any means too.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, I don't. I'm Star Wars over Lord of the Rings,
so that's fine. But yeah we are. We are alive.
U p I. How are you feeling? Are you still
on that high from yesterday's amazing comeback victory?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
So I got I go from spending the week in
South Carolina to like running on like fumes on a
Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
To go into the game or watch I'm watching the
game at the bar.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm like my heart is in my chest the entire time,
and that that last like two minutes I swear to
God like I thought I was gonna have an asthma
attack on my way home. I can't breathe, Like I'm
like like hyperventilating, Like I told my buddy, I'm like, dude,
we need like another five minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Let's order something else so I can breathe.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That's awesome. That's awesome. I hope you had a good
time down in South Carolina. Ironically, what's what's really funny
is that breaks us down there, and that is that
brings us down there too.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
So the best part of being down there is so
we went at Charleston for my birthday and I ended
up buying like like an.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Eagles coaster or something. I said, oh, this is cool,
my favorite Eagles design, and so you know there's I'm
actually an Eagles fan.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
The guy who sold it to me is like, there's
like a lot of Eagles bars in Charleston.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I said, what, you never expect that? You would never
expect that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I have expected that. I would not have expected that.
That's weird. That's cool though, weird in a cool way.
So you know.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
What, winning on a block vehicle, Oh, that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Is that is awesome. That is awesome and there's so
it's so apparently Charleston and the Tampa area a big
subhives for Eagles.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I'll never get the Tampa thing.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
There's a guy who calls the w IP at least
like every few months who's from Tampa, and he's like
always talking about like how big of an Eagles hive
it is down there, And I never get it, Like.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
What is it about Tampa?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't know, because I know that in general, for
this area, the Northeast, like you know New York and
and and Philadelphia area, a lot of people they retire,
they move down to Florida, and it's just always been
the thing, like it's it's there's a lot of people
down there, and maybe that's where it kind of like
grew from from, just a lot of just this area
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people retiring and going there and then staying down there.
I mean, I whenever I go down to you know,
Disney or Universal or whatnot, or I go to Tampa
to visit my brother in law's family, it's so many
Eagles fans, so many Eagles fans. So it's it's fun.
It's a lot of fun. But Charleston will have to
add that to a list of of uh, you know,
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places that have that have a lot of Eagles fans.
So that's good to know. It's very very good to know.
But yeah, let's get to this game because copy as
we alluded to, winning on a block field goal. I
don't know if I've ever ever really know what wait,
Matt Ware in two thousand and five that two thousand
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and five, Yeah, that that was a block field goal too,
I believe so, uh that you know, it doesn't happen often,
but that's it's very, very impressive. So let's get to
the conversation about that victory. But by starting off with
our poll question of the evening, the Eagles don't need
their run game to be as dominant as it was
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in twenty twenty four for them to win the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl again, agree or disagree, So if you're listening, fam,
definitely let us know what you think. We saw the Eagles.
We saw the Eagles offense be asleep for the first half. First,
you know, the first drive was was one thing, and
then the second half you had the first possession that
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was bad, and then from there it was just let's go.
So the passing attack, which we alluded to last week
on you know Egostock. We didn't have Egostock. Last week,
Les was joining me and Pete on film the on line,
and we were talking about how this passing attack really
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need to wake up and lo and behold, the passing
attack woke up and was able to help that comeback victory.
So seeing how things played out and seeing how the
run game still hasn't found the type of dominance they've
had last year, Pee, why do you think this this
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We don't need one game to be as dominant as
it wasn't twenty twenty four. Can we win like this
where it's now we're back to being a past first
team and a run team second secondary or you know,
do you think the run game is still the key?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I think the run game is still very important, and
I think like having a weapon like Saquon is important
because he can he can take the offense to new levels.
But no, I don't think it has to be as
dominant to win a Super Bowl. Look at twenty twenty three,
like obviously we didn't have that type of running performance
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like the Utra stuff was good, but he wasn't like
Saquon and they went eleven and six like like they
obviously but you're, yeah, at least let me get to
the point before you poopu it. So they had to collapse, right,
Could we be a twenty twenty three offense while having
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what the defense that we have right now? Because if
we had half of what the defense was of this
in twenty twenty three, we probably go to an NFC
championship game. Like if aj Brown doesn't get hurt like
the week prior, like, maybe we're having a different conversation
and maybe we win that game.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
In Tampa, we were.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
A good enough offense to go deep in the playoffs.
The issue was we had the worst pass defense in
the NFL. We couldn't rush anyone. Our safeties were cheeks.
That's not the case here. Like Jalen has shown he
could be an effective passer. He can do what he
needs to do with his legs when you when the
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game is on the line and it's on his shoulders,
he can win the game for you. Maybe you don't
need Sakuon busted it for one hundred and fifty yards
every game, because if you can be that twenty twenty
three team with an effective offense but not having a
bottom defense, because even if like you had like half
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of that or maybe instead of being the thirty first
pass coverage team, maybe you're the twenty first and maybe
you go further. And that's kind of what I feel
with this team is Jalen is for nomenal, aj And
and Davante are are next level wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Dallas Goddard's the top five tight end.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
When he's on the field, you know Sekuon is still
going to give you good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Aj Dillones looks solid, not anything special.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
He's been solid like he's been he's he's he's running
back to like whatever, like it doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
But and the defense has look good.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
They've given up four and a half points over three
three games in the second half.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
That's special.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Even if it's not the number one defense, Can we
say it's top ten right now? Because it looks it
like if we're having these arguments over CV two, Like
obviously Isaiah Rogers not being here is awful because he had.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
The greatest game in the history of quarterbacks ninety nine.
They have a ninety nine rating.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
So I also want to throw this out there, So
I want to play award out there for every Eagle
season going forward. It's going to be the Isaiah Rodgers Award,
that that one guy who we just decided, no, we don't.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Need him and then just blows up.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
That'd be interesting award that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
One because you'd have a lot of fun because you'd
be able to look at guys around the league, like
who did we let go and who doesn't suck?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
This season feels like, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
As much as I want another dominant Saquon season, I said,
you get to fifteen hundred, Like, I think it's a
great season for Saquon at this point. If he gets
a twelve hundred, I'm okay, because at the end of
the day, like this team as a specialist what Saquon
was last year. I think people we downplay a little
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bit the effectiveness and the importantness of Jalen Hurts in
this offense because it just when Pickett was there, as
as special as Sakon was, we did look the same.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Because of what.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
He can do in the run game and play action
and things like that, Like there's no there was no
threat when Picket was there, Like you're just like, oh.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, he's not really nowhere. He's staying in the pocket
and he's doing stupid Kenny Picket things. You know what
I mean, he's too gloves for a reason.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So I just think that, like, even if the run
game is not as special as it was last year,
I think you can make a deep playoff run with
this quarterback because he's cerebral. He's he's a cycle path
who doesn't care about anything other than winning. He could
put up four hundred yards of offense on it by
himself if he needs to, or he can put a
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buck twenty five.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Keep the turnovers to a minimum. I just I think
a major portion is can he not turn the ball over?
And can our defense not be the worst in the league.
So yeah, without a dominant run game, yes you can
still have Super Bowl hopes.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Gotcha? All right? So we're I'm gonna bring in our
good friend, mister Les Bowen. Les, how are you great?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Less, did you send a handwritten apology note to Jordan Davis?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah? That was pretty funny, wasn't it. The viewers don't
know what we're talking about. Like a lot of people,
I was unimpressed with the first half of the Eagles
game Sunday, and at one point late in the second quarter,
I actually tweeted that is Jordan Davis playing.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I didn't see that, so of.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Course you've got to when you do something like that,
you have So I was at the end of the game.
I quote tweeted it like, yeah, hey, come on, everybody,
let's go. Let's hear it right now. I don't want
to hear about this three days from now from some
little tweed. You know. Let's all have our fun at
the moment, you know. But honest to god, I felt
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like when they were getting killed, I didn't see him
doing much. I saw Carter getting double teamed a lot.
I didn't see Jordan getting double team but he made
up for it in the second half. So all's well
that ends.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Well, yeah, that's what I did not catch it. I
didn't see the two. But yeah, so our pole question
Egos don't need the run game to be as dominant
as it wasn't twenty twenty four in order for them
to win the Super Bowl again, Les, what what do you?
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean? P y?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
He made a compelling argument, and it was explained to
very well, what what what what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, I never thought they would be able to do
it the exact same way. I never thought sa Quon
Barkley was going to run for two thousand yards and
back to back seasons. That just doesn't happen. Uh. I
kind of think maybe they thought they were going to
do that from the way they started out with the
offense the first couple of games and even started out yesterday.
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I think it was it's it reminds me a little
bit of last time they went to the Super Bowl. Uh,
and they started out the next season. Nick had all
this stuff about trying to refine the things that they
were doing well all the year before instead of coming
up with new stuff. That was a disaster because the
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opponents spend the off season figuring out, you know, exactly
how you did what you were doing well, and how
they can stop it. And in the case of like
the Rams yesterday, they actually went out and acquired players
to stop it. So, no, you're not going to do
it exactly the same way. They don't know, they don't
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need to do it exactly the same way. They certainly
proved yesterday if anybody had any doubts, they can do
it by throwing the ball. But I do think, and
I think this is important, They're not going to just
forget Sakwi Barkley. It what happened in the second half.
Barkley didn't get a lot of carries, But what you
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saw after they scored a touchdown and after they proved
that they could move the ball through the air. The
few carries Barkley had, he gained yards. There were holes there,
he didn't break one, but he was getting five six yards,
which was not the case. It has not been the
case in very many carries this season, really, especially the
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last couple of weeks. So I think if they open
it up and throw more and score some points and
get leads, that way, the run game will bounce back
to a very very respectable level. But no, they're not gonna,
you know, set records again that way. Everybody spent the
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whole offseason making sure they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean that's a really good point. I think that,
you know, I'll say this. I agree to the poll
simply because it's twenty twenty four was the you could
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argue the greatest single season for running back playoffs right right.
To expect that again is kind of like bar fetch.
And I think leading up to the leading up to
the season, I think we all had said, like, you know,
we don't think Sequan is going to regress, you know,
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when he's not going to be a worse player. We
think he's still going to be really good. He's well
underplaying it. We think he's still going to be elite.
But that doesn't mean he has to have two thousand
yards rushing. He can still be elite and still have
you know, numbers that aren't as good but still really
like still in that league category where he's you know,
top three in rushing in the league, and you know,
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still wanted showing that production wise, he's he's still up there.
So he didn't need to He doesn't need to have
the same type of season. He just still needs to
be him. He still needs to be elite and make
the plays when when we need him to. I think that,
you know, we need to just remember that, you know,
because I had what my friend Johnny Page on on
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on Towy. He does, he does amazing workout and you know,
we always discuss stuff, and he had said that, you know,
they need the Eagles need to have this running game
start to click in order to fix everything. And and
that's me paraphrasing. He didn't say exactly those words, but
I I respectively. I respectfully disagreed with that because in
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my opinion, yeah, I know that people believe that, you know,
good run game will set up the past so on
and so forth, and that's that's one thing. But there's
too much talent on this team, right, not exactly, there's
too way too much challenge this team for you to
be like, Okay, like we need the run game for
this to be sex. No, like, if the run game
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isn't working, then you should be able to go to
your other early players to make it work, to make
something work, And that showed in the second half of
the Universus. The egles is that Okay, enough is enough,
that's let's just get let's get the ball to our
early guys, guys, make them play. So you know, I'm
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I don't I do have film don't lie tomorrow with
with Pete and we are going to cover we we
weren't going to cover the Eagles, but with that game
being what it was, we are going to talk about
it tomorrow. So I'm trying to save, you know, some
of my points for tomorrow. But let's get into that
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second half. Yes, and let's we'll start with you. What
is what did you pick up that they did differently
that impressed you the most. What was the one thing
that you took away? And me like, okay, this was
one of the main reasons why they were able to
come back.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, Jalen hurts, but before I say that. Even funnier
than my Jordan Davis comment yesterday was so we had
family in town and we had made a commitment to
go to the Today the Music Festival over the weekend,
and it was going on Sunday, so we didn't really
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need to be there. My brother in law wanted to
see a certain act that started around three thirty, so
I watched the first half, and then I watched the
stripsack fumble, and I watched the Rams score and make
it twenty three six, and I thought, well, or twenty
six seven. I'm sorry to make it twenty six seven,
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and I thought, well, okay, I don't mind leaving and
watching the rest of this. I watched it today. I
did sallow it on my phone, and I was very
it's hard to know what the hell is going on.
Even with these the apps are pretty good.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
These days, but it's still hard.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Rams are lined up for a game winning field goal
and suddenly your phone says the score is thirty three
to twenty six.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Really, what happened?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
This a glitch? Glitch?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So anyway to get back to your question. By the way,
if you're superstitious, this might mean I can never watch
the Eagles again. I don't know, but uh yeah, I
saw Hurts in the second half. I saw a J.
Brown and DeVante AJ. Especially on some of those third
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down he was vicious, just you know, taking the ball. Yeah,
he was kind of like doing a Kevin Petullo. Here's
what I can do. And I know I don't buy
into any of the narratives about AJ being angry or
disaffected or any of that, but I do think he
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was making a point yesterday, and you know it was
a point.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Let him off the leash.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, the Eagles should take into consideration very seriously. Now
every defense is like that. He was playing against a
smaller corner. I think it was man more of a
little more often than it had been. But nonetheless, you
can do stuff like that. I mean, it kind of
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frustrates me that they don't their first touchdown thirty three
yards down the pipe down the middle to Dallas Goddard,
his only catch at the game. I just but yeah,
I saw the offense really really click into gear and
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kind of figure out what it can be, which is
something that needed to happen. The defense kept the Rams
off the scoreboard. The two blockfield goals obviously were a
big part of that. I still wasn't real totally happy
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with the defense elect the pass rush, didn't like the
run stopping at all, and didn't love the past defense.
And in a lot of cases we got into a
thing I wrote about this on phl Y where people
were saying things like, well, at least Jacorey and Bennett
tackles Nikua after he catches the ball, and Jackson wasn't
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even doing that. You know, when you get to that point,
that's not a discussion you want to. So there's a
lot still going on defensively. There are some wonderful things
that they do. They are a much better defense, as
p Y noted than they were a couple of years ago. Still,
but they've got to figure out some stuff there. They
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really do still, you know, And it didn't all get
fixed in the second half. The offense had the ball
most of the second half, you know, and that helped
the Eagles quite a bit. To help the defense quite
a bit. But yeah, I saw Jalen Hurts, I saw aj,
I saw Devonte in a second, and of course Fred
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Johnson saw Fred Johnson.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, people are how about you? What did you
take away from from from the comeback? That was like,
this is a huge reason why.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Kevin Patulo needs to open the playbook past page one
and see that there's there's other options.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Maybe the pages were stuck together.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Maybe maybe it's a really tough binder to open. I
don't like.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
The fact that like he's because Jalen's not animating on sidelines.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's not who he is.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
He's not psycho t breaking the Helmans, slapping tablets across
the bench.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's not him. But he's legitimately cousin Kevin Bottulo out
on the.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Sideline or having a very animated discussion with him basically.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Saying I'm him.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Let me do what I do, Let me get my
guys open, let me do what I know why I
can't do and what I did in the Super Bowl,
and then and that's fine, guys, and toss the ball
and throw deep shots because I'm the best.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
In the league at doing it. He's the best deep
ball thrower in the NFL. Like, and I understand that,
Like you want to be a little passive. You know
you have to play.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
This is what you want to set the game up
to be. You know, you're trying to make the run happen.
You're trying to limit turnovers. You know you have a
game plan.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I get that. But like he's a dog.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You have stars, like superstars, the offensive weapons, and you're
just not letting them do anything, like like you're not
like there's training wheels on this offense. There doesn't need
to be understand it. If you did one hundred believe
in the quarterback. This is a Super Bowl MVP winning quarterback.
This is a all Pro cornerback. Like he can get
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it done. He can pass the ball, he can do
what he has to do well.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
P Why I think what problem before yesterday was the
first two games. You have a lead in the second half.
It's a tight, low scoring game. And I said this
before Chucks heard me say it. So you've got a tight,
low scoring game, You've got the ball in the second
half with a lead, you can run for three yards,
throw a very safe pass for four or five yards,
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and push, push and move the chains. And then you
can run for three yards, throw a very safe pass,
push push, and move the chains and that's kind of seductive.
I mean, you're not taking any chances there. The clock
is running, and you know you're going to score points
or at least keep the ball away from the other team,
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and you're winning. But yesterday they weren't winning, and so
that was a very needed development to show that they
could do something else, and they did.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I what I will say, like I said, I'm going
to save the stuff for tomorrow for my show tomorrow,
But what I will say is, yeah, there there were
there were elements of the passing offense that were different
and then that I would I was able to catch
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after watching the film. What I will also say though,
is that in the first half, it's not like they
weren't being aggressive. There were actually a lot of play
There were several play designs that were targeting the middle
and the deep levels of the field. There were they
were incorporating more, you know, different things like QB runs.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
We saw in the first half, we saw successful q
run design to be run by Jalen Hurts. Uh so like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So bad after Lane left that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That that might have played a fact, you know, a
part in it. But I will say again like I'm
not trying to wait all this because it's hard to
say definitely because I'm not there. I'm hard to say definitely,
like what percentage is at fault for them getting behind
and looking so poor in the first place. But a
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good chunk of their issues were was execution issues. If
you look at like the the All twenty two, they
had a lot of there were a lot of plays
where there where the spacing and the route execution by
the receivers was really bad. If you guys remember on
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that first possession where we do eventually score, but there
was Hurts tried. It looks like Hurts is targeting Devonte
Smith on an out route, but then John Jobson's right
there and he gets his hand on it right and
you see them both of them really close together like that,
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that's that's bad route spacing. There was an other one,
i think in the second quarter where you know, there's
two receivers I'm pretty sure it was it was Darius
Cooper and someone else where they're literally like in the
middle of the field, right next to each other. And
then there's another play where a j Brown just doesn't
know what's going on, Like he doesn't run the route
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because he's not sure what the pall is and and
all that. There are several instances in the first half
where the execution just wasn't there. So I can't say
I know p Y loves the pylon Kevin Patula because
he has this agenda gave. But if you actually looked
at the film, there was some good things. They were
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jelling up and they were getting open down field and
they were calling plays downfield. It just the execution still
was it wasn't there. So it wasn't just Batulo. It
was the players to not really being on the same page,
pass protection obviously being a big issue. So it's it's
a mix of things. And the the changes we saw
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in the second half really did help. Plus Fred Johnson,
like you said less plus like it was just they
kind of the biggest thing. The biggest change in my opinion,
was they start they stopped doing so many condensed sets.
They spread it out and they they had three by
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one formations with a J. Brown isolated as the single X.
So in doing that, you get a J. Brown in
a lot of one on one matchups because the defense
is usually their tendency is too to be descend the
numbers over to the trip side. They want to be
at least four, but you know, for over threwd in
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that end, so they're gonna leave one on one on
a J brown side more often than not. And that's
when you saw a lot of those, you know a
lot of those. You know, the slant and this logo.
You saw the touchdown, the backshoorder for a touchdown. You
saw both third down conversions on the game when you drive.
Those were examples of him isolated in a three by
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one set, And that was the biggest change for me
schematically that we saw in you know, in the second half.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
So I wanted to ask you, Chuck. I think this
was you on social media. Maybe it was somebody else.
I'm old and I don't remember things. But it looks
like when they're having trouble running early in games, that
they're trying to run the exact same concepts that they
ran last year, a lot like right up the middle,
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and they just it's yeah, this is what teams, like
we were saying earlier, this is what teams have devoted
months to figuring out, and they just need to do
something a little different, not not run the ball, but
try another way of doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
You know, I think, yeah, I think schematically it's a
good conversation schematically in the run in the run concept.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Area, like.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It's it's always the Eagles have for for years and
then this is going back to like Doug Peterson and
that and like everything, especially under Jeff Stoutlin. Especially under
Jeff Stoutlin, they run a lot their their bread and
butter run call is inside zone. That's like they spam
that and they've been so good at it. A big
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reason why is because their offensive line is so good.
So even though the defense can key on it, there's
not much they can do when your your offensive line
is dominating. The issue right now, the biggest issue is
that the interior of the offensive line isn't dominating like
it was last year. Jurgiens has been has been okay,
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but not not great. Tyler Steen is what we feel like.
He's a solid right guard, probably like you know, a
little bit better than Makai Beckton was at pass protection,
but he's not nearly the type of mall or that
Becden was in the run game, and we saw like
Becten like he would move people in the run game,
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right move people in the run game. And then Dickerson
on the other side is probably the biggest factors. He's
not healthy, he's hurt, and I I don't want to
speak ill of him because he is playing tough and
we know like he's trying, and like I commend him
for that, but you can tell it's it's really bad
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and he's a liability on a lot of these runs,
a lot of these breakdowns in the run game. And
then it's because he's not he's he's giving up ground.
And then even that one screen to saguon that that
kind of just went nowhere, that's because Dickerson wasn't able
to keep his block and so you know it's that's
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the main issue with the run game is the interior
of the offensive line is not blocking.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Now, you could make an argument that, okay, since they're
not blocking, well, why keep running inside zone? Why keep
running in the middle, get to the outside, and I
agree with that. I think you need to now use
more outside zone. Encounter Encounter was their best might be
their best run concept last year. I think you need
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to run more of those and get take one outside
because the tackles can still move and you know it's
it's gonna be now if Fred Johnson's in there. I
know Fred Johnson was was great, but we all know
Fred Johnson's also more so limited in the run supposed
to pass game. So like that that kind of will
that could have put a wrench into that for against
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the Rams Lane Johnson is supposed to be okay and
fine for next week. But that's that's again that's the
issue for the for the run game, it's more so
the blocking. And I don't have an issue with the
the play design is the running. But if you want
to kind of if you if these if the interior,
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if they're not gonna block better, then okay, you might
have to go to your other one calls that you've
you've Yeah, but I trust Scout in that regard.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So on the defensive side, uh, why, I know you
talk about offense, what's what did you take from the
defensive side?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Sack bo is still really really good.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Jordan Davis is our best defensive player to start three games.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I I'd say Bond, Yeah, I'd say Bond. I wouldn't
say Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis Like, yeah, I'd say Bond.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I think I'm okay, I'm okay with that, but I
just think he's been so.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like explosive. I think he's been very good all over
the field.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
He's making tackles, he's making plays, he's getting to the quarterback.
He should have two more sacks he was able to
if he's able to finish like he's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, if yeah, no, I hear you. I don't mean
to downplay, downplay Jordan as he's been consistently good. And
this is a Jordan Davis that we haven't seen. So yeah, absolutely, And.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Jalen Carr there, if you're paying attention, get on that palatad.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Oh my god, yea, I mean he did. Yeah, trying
to think like this season on the defensive side, I
think obviously John Campbell was was solid and less to
your point, I think the run game was I think
in terms of negatives, I think that was the most alarming.
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I think we kind of expected and and we talked
about this last last week on Film Don't Life. We
expected the Rams to get Theirs in the passing game.
I mean, DeVante Adams that stuff for They're gonna get theirs.
And to be honest, Qun Mitchell did an amazing job
with DeVante Adams travel with Insane. Yeah, so amazing job.
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I don't have any issues. I think I think Quinon
deserves an A for that for the performance. Nicoua got his,
but like you can't help it, Nicolea does that to everyone,
so like you kind of expect that to happen, right,
But it's the it's the run defense that was kind
of alarming. I thought that they would be able to
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kind of have their way a little bit with Yea
this off.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
The blind for the Rams isn't anything. Yeah, you're scared
of you know, and to see them blowing those holes
open and and their backs, you know, really getting it
wasn't so much. They didn't have like a fifty yard
run or anything like that, but they every time they
handed the ball off they got positive yard.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
They were consistent except except for fourth down. Yet that
is oh my god, that play was an amazing play
unfold then, so I yeah, I I that was alarming.
You want to see better, you want to see improvement
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in that area. Before before last week, the Rams run
game really was kind of struggling a bit. I haven't
watched the defensive side of the film. For the Eagles yet,
but I am you know, tomorrow when I watch it,
I'm gonna be I'm curious to see what type of
run concepts they were running because for the few years
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since like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, since since they got
since they got blanketed in the Super Bowl, McVeigh has
kind of changed his run for his run offensive run
scheme to more duo based instead of outside zone base.
And this year that run concept has not been good
because they don't have the offensive line, so they've been
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really struggling running but Latin. But yesterday was not the case.
They were getting pushed and so you know, I hope
that's just kind of like a blunder that get fixed.
But yeah, I think that's a that that's That's what
I'd probably take. My that would be my negative defensive
takeaway is that you kind of got to see the
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run game get better. What do you guys think of this?
And this would be our last question before we move
on from this game. Do you think this is a
potential if we look if we play out the rest
of the record season and we look back on this game,
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do you think this is this will end up being
the turning point game for the Eagles season where the
offense woke up. What do you think lost.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's so early. I mean, I think it could be.
We talked last year about the buy the game right
after the buye and and how you know how that
looked terrible, but it kind of was the the day
when they started to do things that they wanted to
do or they thought they were on the right track.
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That was pretty early. But this is even earlier than that.
Week three is is that's a that's a very early
turning point. I'm not comfortable saying that yet. We might
look back on it and say that, yes, but there's
so much hard road ahead and so much that can
happen and injuries. You know, I'm not gonna say that.
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It could be. It certainly was an important milestone that
we needed to see from the offense in particular, But
I don't know about a turning point.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
P Y, what do you think? I kind of agree
with less. I just I just think it's too early.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like this is like most teams, like they just don't
play in their preseason. It's them getting all the kinks out,
Like obviously, whatever you feel about Kevin Patulo, it's clear
that he's trying to figure out what he wants.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
To be as a play caller.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I don't know, maybe like script the first fifteen plays
that might help, just throwing that out there, but like
they're just trying to see, like what's working and what's not.
And there's certain things that the are clicking, and there's
certain things that are not. There are certain routes that
are working well, there's certain ones that are not. There's
certain pass protections that are not being followed properly and.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Some that are.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Like it's a it's an up and down situation right now.
But like wee three, I can't say, oh, it's all
figured out, you know, it's It's just it's just way
too early, and.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Like like thin can change. Like obviously, if if they
have like a.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Dominant performance against the against the Bucks and they and
they drop like a.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Thirty burger, yeah you could say this was the turning point.
But I just think it's too early.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair, that's fair any other takeaweks from
the game. I'm trying to think of it as like other.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Special teams for me. In addition to dissing Jordan Davis,
I was ready to fire Michael Clay at.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Halftime because Michael clay Man.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
They couldn't pick up a kickoff to say.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Because they kept doing that ball shoot michle ball.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's a ball lying in front of you on your feet,
you put your hands on it, and you pick it
up and you run with it, you know. I mean,
it's not they didn't put grease on it or anything.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
That was also like a problem last week is that
the Rams are starting at the thirty, the thirty five
befoty the fifty were starting like nine, twelve, ten, fifteen.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But of course then the special teams wins the game
with the two field goal blocks. So you know, Michael
Clay looks good. But they did sign a kick returner today.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Don't know what, Frankly, I think.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I think Darius Cooper is I think he's hurt. I
think they need another wide receiver to I also don't
think they felt too great about Mechi slash Bigsby.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I think it's less.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
About Mechi and more about Bigsby in the sense that
they brought me here obviously to be a part of
the running game, but also a big part of it
to be a kicker.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Returler. Yeah, he's not good. He hasn't looked good.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Games is I'm saying. I'm saying, and I can't put
I can't single him out and put the the the
knuckleball stuff like on him because Michi was having the
same issues. It's not like you were Bigsby, you were
you were having issues and like you just haven't been good.
So like it's I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Like.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Coordinator and you know for a week that you're going
to be facing this when you have those guys doing
that every.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Day, That's what I'm wondering, Like.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Like why they spent the week figuring that out because
they sure didn't look like it.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, it's it's I'm wondering that too. So if they weren't,
they weren't for padreession. I hope as I hope they
will be prepared next week because you know, all their teams.
I think the commanders have been doing it too, and
I would not be surprised if other teams didn't start
to pick up with it. Yeah, so like that that's
going to be a thing, and it's to be honest,
(42:27):
I I thought it was really smart, Like I I
tweeted that I'm like, you know, as frustrated I am with,
you know, with this game. The Rams are doing some
cool someone this was not fotball stuff, and I'm like,
that's really really smart, and they're the pickers executing it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Well, like that's Unfortunately his field goal trajectory was pretty
much the same.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
As ye.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And you know I happened to I went on the
Rams website and listen to the interview with him after
the game, and he didn't know. He was like, I
didn't do anything different After the first block, I'm thinking, Okay,
the ball was block. It was really low. I mean,
Carter didn't even really jump. You didn't do anything different.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
If you look at the other field goal attempts, they
were getting really close out every single attempt, So you
can you can really like you could really tell, well.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
The last one, you know, we've all seen it one
hundred times now and I don't need to tell you this,
but Jordan Davis block sat with his fore arm. It
didn't get a fingertip on it.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, it was here.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It was almost his help.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, and it's not like you said, It's not like
it was like a sixty yard field goal. Who was
like what, yeah, oh my gosh. So yeah, it's I'm
not complaining, but that's yeah, it's it's very questionable. So
it's I I can't remember less was the do you
remember in two thousand and five the Matt where block.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yes, Michael Michael blocked and yeah, and Matt Ware was
able to just pick that up in stride. It was
like the Herman Edwards miracle at the Meadowlands trumble thing
where he just picked it up and took off and
the Chargers were about to win the game with a
makeable field goal. I remember the yard age, but it
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wasn't a real long field goal, and suddenly Matt Ware
was was gone. The greatest play of Matt Ware's.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Career is that the only? Uh? Yeah, so that's what
I was saying at the beginning. So I think it's
the only other time I remember blockfield goal winning the
game for the Eagles, So it's it doesn't happen often.
But I mean, how many teams can say they have
two games in their history where they were one on
block field goals? So yeah, very it's very, very fun
(44:50):
very Uh The game, I definitely was a memorable one,
and I think that it was. It was nice to
see the offense kind of wake up, Like I said,
it's I don't think it was. I thought, in the
heat of a moment, it was like, oh, like they've
made so many some schematic changes, Like looking at the film,
it really wasn't as much schematically wrong Kevin Patula, as
(45:11):
I thought a good amount was on the players too,
so the players executing much better. Was was a big difference.
But you know, I think that hopefully this will this
will help Kevin Patulo, and I think a lot of
the Eagles fans. I think a good portion of Eagles
fans should have their phone taken away during.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
How maybe I should you know, I was really that
just looked and that looked ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I mean that was But your tweet honestly really wasn't
that bad of a take, Like it's you just thought that,
you know, he should be playing better, but like it
wasn't like a the amount of times. And this is
not just this year, this is like in years past.
And pe why is guilty of this too. I'll call
him out like during the middle of the and and
(46:00):
you know one of our other friends in our chat
too is absolutely guilty of this.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He's the worst over guys.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, the amount of people that that jump to conclusions,
extreme conclusions, and during a game, and like yesterday, just
so many people like fire Kevin Patula, Fire Kevin Patula.
It's week three, Like, let's let's all be patient. I
still remember last year, mirrle of the season, when the
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passing game was having its issues, everyone was saying the
same thing about Kellen Moore. Fire Kevin, Kellen Moore, Fire
Kellen Moore, and we won the Super Bowl. And now
it's revisioned its history because a lot of the fans
are saying, oh I miss Kellen Moore. No, no, you didn't,
like so many of you did not.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
The real problem here, perhaps is that we have all
these offensive coordinators, but it's Nick Sirianni's offense, and maybe
there's some things that, you know, wonderful coach in so
many ways, but maybe his passing concepts aren't always.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, you know, like they've they're doing ever since last year.
They're doing more stuff that doesn't make it as stagnant
as in years past.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
They're at.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, like and I know, like I give Kellen Moore
a lot of credit for that. It's not always perfect.
There's a lot of motion that doesn't do anything right now,
so it's a meaningless motion. But I mean there are
concepts there where you know, that were introduced last year
and I give you know, you got to handle them.
And maybe as the season goes on, hopefully we'll see
(47:43):
more stuff be implemented. And you know it's me b youth,
but yeah, it's just it's so early. Let's let's pump
the brakes on firing anyone on the coaching staff, and
you know, let's be fair. It's it's it's fair to
criticis a Kevin Patulo for what he should be criticized for,
but it's also fair to give him credit for what
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he should get credit for. And a lot of people
don't want to write, they don't want to admit that
things were better in the second half, and they I
don't I don't see people giving him his flowers like
they should be, you know, so just you know it's
important too.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
But the big guy with the flowers is Jalen Hurts.
I mean, they converted so many third long third downs
and they basically the game winning touchdown, as it turned out,
was a fourth down pass. Uh, you know, I that
there was an incredibly impressive second half for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
I thought, yeah, and I'm gonna get into this a
loto tomorrow. So if you're listening you want to check out,
Like when Pete and I do like film breakdowns, well
we'll get into like the nitty gritty of like what
we saw in film and every thing. It's really interesting stuff.
But one point that I'm going to touch on on
the show and it comes out Wednesday morning. One thing
(49:07):
I want to touch on the show on the show
is I think we need to I think a lot
of us have seen this, but I think we need
to reiterate for those who who don't give them the credit.
Is that Hurts is such a smart has become such
a smart quarterback.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
And.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Him him throwing an out route to a receiver for
a few yards may not look like anything, but when
you get into the weeds of it, like sometimes those
things are impressive decisions. And the touchdown to Smitty on
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the game, which was the game winner, it may look simple,
but when you break it down, it's an impressive thing.
But not the primary receiver on that play primary exactly.
And that's the thing he's He's become such an intellectual
and smart quarterback where he will his decision making is
(50:10):
just top tier. It he knows where to go so
like it doesn't have to be a fancy like throw
on the move dime, you know, fifty yards down the field.
But you know, we see we saw this so much
with Tom Brady right where he was a flashy but
he made the right decisions all the time. Like all
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the time, he just made the right choices of where
to go with the football and sometimes if to the
to the casual eye, you don't you don't realize how
impressive a simple throw like that can be. But it
really is when you when you break down x's and
nose because it you know, it's and that's beauty of football.
(50:54):
When you get in the nitty gritty of it, it's
you know, it's really like that chest Matt. It makes
it so so much fun to to kind of like
you know, keep track and the follow So credit to
Jalen Hurts, like you said, less, I think he was
continues to be phenomenal and I think he's playing as
well as any quarterback can and has been so far
(51:16):
three weeks in considering the circumstance, like the circumstances and
the play like he's you know, the numbers might not
be there in terms of the volume, but like he is,
there's not much else you can ask of him, Like
he's the mistakes and the misses that he has, Like
I told you less last week, like it was like
(51:38):
maybe like two plays where it was like okay, like
could have been better. Like it's the same thing. It's
this week again. I saw maybe one or two plays
where I'm like, could have been better. But that happens
with every quarterback. So yes, he's playing so well. So
and he last remarks lust before we let you go.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, it would be really interesting. The Bucks know it's
been a terrible place for them to play. They're going
to go down early to try to get acclimated to
the heat. I really think, you know, if you look
at the games, I mean the Eagles were missing key
players last year. Yes, yeah, I don't think there's anything.
The Bucks are good, you know, and it's going to
(52:19):
be a tough game, but I don't think there's any
special jinks or anything like that that's going to keep
the Eagles from winning this game. I think if key
people are healthy, the Eagles are the better team. It
is going to be a tough environment to play four
quarters in ninety degree heat when you haven't been doing that.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Yeah, yep, and hoping we can, I mean hoping that
extra day of prep for that heat. It doesn't make
a difference, but I mean, we shall see, but it
should be. The Bucks are good, they're rolling, they're confident.
I mean, three weeks are hurt. They're hurt, but three
weeks in a row it out.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
They might get some people back this week, which could
go you know, who knows.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
But Evan Evans is going to be out.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
What do you really know about what Godwin's gonna be
his first game back? Maybe maybe Worf's plays. Three of
their other like offensive linements are hurt, Yeah, and then back.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
How do you say his name? The Ohio State kid?
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Oh, the rookie.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, you're talking about the receiver.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah and Buka sorry yeah, Like he's kind of nursing
level something right now. Obviously I think he's gonna play
regardless he's but like they're just they're they're.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Not healthy right now.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
I think Evan not having Evans is huge, like because
he's probably gonna be out at least two weeks minimum.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, because then that you only have the last the last.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
Few times they've played the Eagles when the Eagles are
healthy since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
They kill him.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
That's what I was getting.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, they were smacking them in that early twenty twenty
three matchup.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
They killed them. Yeah, what what hurt.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
The Eagles against the Bucks in twenty twenty four or
twenty twenty three when in the playoff game there's no sorry,
all their guys are hurt, No AJ, you know, just
nothing could get nothing could get going.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
The same thing in twenty twenty four. No AJ's hurt,
Lane's hurt. I don't think Davante was there as well, right, nope,
who's your who's your? Never went pass option in that game?
Got it?
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I think it got it.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
I was like it was.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
Gote Godard dots it.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah. Yeah, we're the chemistry with yet So yeah, I
hear you. And so it's a different definitely a different
feel going into this game. I'm confident. I'm optimistic, but
oh but yeah, less you appreciate it. Hopefully next week
will be and next week we'll have breaks back. So
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week hopefully we'll be talking about finally exercising the demons
and and talking about a win down in Tampa. So
but you enjoy the week and then we will see
you next week. You too, my pleasure, guys. As Les
Bowen always great to have him on r P. Y
(55:24):
we have a few minutes left. Anything else you wanted
to touch on Eagles related or NFL Week three related,
Floor's yours.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Daniel Jones m v P.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Daniel Jones is impressive. Yeah, him and Herbert are I
think should be the front runners.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
They sure I have.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
I have Jones as my as my top guy right now,
just because like they're h's insane, like no, like the
like Herbert's playing extremely well, but like nobody's really too
shocked about it, Like he's he's an exceptional quarterback.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Act.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
It's a really good team. Like if you look at
the Colts, like they're like, all right, this is gonna
be a bottom five team. They're not even putting Richardson
out there. They're throwing Danny Dimes out and he's been
whites out.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
They're three and now to start this season.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
Like his numbers are comparable right now with Josh Allen
and Harber.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And they played a really good team in the in
the in the Broncos. So I mean like the week before, right, yeah,
me too, So like this isn't this doesn't look like
it's fake. And I'm very very impressed, and I think, uh,
not only Daniel Jones has he played above expectations, but
like with that, with the stability at quarterback, now, the
(56:44):
the receiving, the weapons they have on offense can finally
shine because they have a good amount of weapons on
that team. They just were never able to shine because Warren,
Yeah Warren. Now you know Jonathan Taylor is.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
I was just about to say that Jona Taylor is God.
He's hitting the priest mode right now.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
He's sig tearing it up. You know. Josh Downs is awesome.
So yeah, They've got a lot of great players there,
so that I think the Colts may be for real
and it is exciting. I love the nickname Indiana Jones.
I think that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
That is.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
I have one of my my.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
Boss at work is a is a diehard like Giants fan,
and I'm just like, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1 (57:29):
He's just like, I don't want to talk a rout it, dude,
but like I feel I feel bad for it because
he's just because he's just like he's not bad.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
He's like, I actually hope Jones does well because he's
just like he's in his own circle of hell right now.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
He's dealing with like the Russ experiment.
Speaker 4 (57:48):
And whether or not they're gonna play Dart and they're
playing Jackson Jackson Dart like he's twenty twenty jail with Hurts,
which is so funny.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
It's so much fun. Yeah, all right, Pee, why good show.
Let's carry on the Eagles high and excitement into next
week in CAMPU because they're gonna need it should be exciting.
Thank you for all you who are listening and to
tuned into the show. Again, remind you Wednesday morning, Film
(58:16):
Don't Lie comes out. It's me and Pete Evans, So
if you are if you want to get into the
weeds and discussion of the film and what we saw,
we will be talking about this Eagles Rams game. Uh,
you know, talking about it will be one of our
the topics where we're doing Eagles, Rams and Bears Cowboys
(58:39):
as our lead topics. You know that we're going to
be discussing, so a lot of good discussions there will
be had and plus film breakdowns. So check us out
Wednesday mornings. If you look for if you want to
look for for us, then uh for myself or p
y for the rest of us at a two D.
We appreciate and we will see you next week. For birds,
(59:03):
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