October 15, 2025 • 59 mins
The Philadelphia Eagles suffered a demoralizing defeat against the New York Giants, a divisional loss that raises major questions about the state of the team and their Super Bowl aspirations. This isn't just a tough loss; it was an embarrassing performance that has the entire fanbase saying, "Time to panic!"
In this week’s Eagles Talk, we tackle the biggest issues facing the Birds right now and ask the tough questions about the team’s performance, play-calling, and locker room dynamic. Does Kevin Patullo need to be fired or demoted for the Eagles’ playoff chances to remain alive? Where are we all at on the Panic Meter? And if Howie Roseman makes a trade, which position should it be for, and who are some player options out there
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In this week’s Eagles Talk, we tackle the biggest issues facing the Birds right now and ask the tough questions about the team’s performance, play-calling, and locker room dynamic. Does Kevin Patullo need to be fired or demoted for the Eagles’ playoff chances to remain alive? Where are we all at on the Panic Meter? And if Howie Roseman makes a trade, which position should it be for, and who are some player options out there
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No, everybody's got a price for the million dollar man.
Oh who's that kid? Nick? Uh? He looks like Beaker
from Muppets The One on one Nick. Right, Yeah, yeah,
I got I did not even I love I love that.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
If I get five and they're all in the same
room with me, we're going at it at one.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hundred and.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, Welcome in everyone, great start obviously for show
ever Uh, Eagles Talk. This is not lazy booking. Lazy
booking will be different time during the week. This is
Eagles Talk with Peter Young, Les Bowen and of course
I am Rob Brinkman.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
A lot to dive into. It feels like a while ago,
but it was the Eagles Week six game last last
Thursday night, So we're gonna get into a lot, a
lot of stuff. This is not so anyway. Welcome to
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(01:40):
for ten percent off your in storage purchase. Poll question tonight,
getting into it right away. Kevin Pittullo should be fired
or demoted or the Eagles will miss the playoffs. Take
it away, p y.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
How can you not think that he needs to be demoting,
Like like I'm not saying he needs to lose his
job entirely, like they need to get rid of him.
They kick him out of the building. But like it's
not good. But I also I knew this wasn't going
to be good. I don't like outside hires. There are
certain hosts who aren't here right now that called me
(02:22):
crazy for not supporting an in house promotion. You know,
it's not like we've never seen it before have issues,
but like there's just obviously the O line isn't great
right now, so like maybe you could throw that out
all They were like, oh, you know, it's not all
Kevin's fault.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The on line's hurt. They can't get it done, things
like that. But here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
The play calling is not good, Like there's no creativity,
no one is getting open, like and maybe you want
to throw it out there, like, oh, it's all on
Jay when it's all on Jay one.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But I'm like, and I would put that on him
if like.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
He was fumbling every other play and he was forcing interceptions,
I could look at that and be like, all right,
the quarterback is not properly helping the team, right, But
like if you're watching the.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Tape, like no one's open, like.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
There's no easy plays, Like the routes are bad, Like
Aj Brown is like dogging it because he looks at
this and he sees all these awful routes. He's being
forced to go out there and do like they're just
not doing anything correctly, and he's just overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And this is hurting the team.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's hurting Nick Siriani because he went from having someone
like Kellum Art where you can trust, you can focus
on what you do best, and that's making big decisions
in the game, working on the entire game plan for
the whole team, rather than having to babysit your offensive coordinator,
which is similar to what happened in twenty three. But
(03:59):
I think think this is way worse because at least
when Brian Johnson came in, Brian Johnson called plays. Brian
Johnson was an offensive coordinator at Florida like like there
was a little bit of a finger on the pulls.
There's somewhat of a concept of how the call plays
and big moments, what to do and things like that.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Patool just doesn't know what to do. He doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And me and Chucks have had a lot of conversations
about this and our group chat where when you've called
plays before, you know what to call, you know when
to call it, you have an idea of what could
work and when it could or could not work. If
you've never done that before, how do you know? How
do you know when you need to dial dial up
(04:46):
a wheel route? How do you know maybe across or
across the middle is gonna work best? Like instead of
it just being like all right for the verticals, let's
see what happens. Fellas Like Kevin Pottool calls plays like
some high school kid playing Madden.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We're just like, let's figure it out. This is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like he's just not a good play caller. And it's
hurting the team. It's hurting the quarterback, it's pissing off
the wide receivers. The only person who's happy with a
play calling is Dallas Gotter because Dallas is having his
best year. He's probably gonna have his most touchdowns, the
most yards, and the most receptionist he's ever had in
(05:28):
the season. And that's guaranteed even if he misses his
annual six games. So like, I'm not going out there
and saying, well, you know, we can't go out and
we can't ever hire do an in house higher. I'm
not saying that I don't love it. I'm also not
saying that you have to fire Kevin Patouol, but like
you just you can't keep going with him because it's
(05:50):
just not working.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
If anything, I'll take the QB.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The QB coach y'aw Loffler, the guy who coached at
was it Bowling Green, He's called plays before, he.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Has experienced doing that. I'd be throwing his.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Name in there and seeing what he can do. If
you don't want to like completely like ruin the relationship
and basically admit that Nick made a huge Nick and
how have made a huge mistake, maybe you kind of
do what Nick did in the first in his first year,
being like, all right, these are my strength these are
my weaknesses. You know who's better at calling plays, Shane.
(06:28):
I'm going to focus on and do what I can do,
and maybe you have Patulo do other things.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
But right now have not answered the pole question yet.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, whether we have said yes, you have to demote
him like you have to demote not the poll question.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
What do you is that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Would they make the play if they keep low as
Fire demoted, the Eagles won't make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yes, if they keep him in there, they're not making
the playoffs because it's just gonna continuously go down, down, down,
down down. I'm like, that's what things are looking like.
If Kevin Batula was kept in charge, things are not
going to work out the way we expect them to.
They're not going to make the playoffs. They're not going
back to the super Bowl, and it's just not going
to look good.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Okay, let's what say you about the pole question, Kevin Bittulo,
the pole question, however you want to take it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think they can make the playoffs without firing Kevin Batullo,
but that doesn't really speak to the idea of whether
they should find Kevin Pula. I don't know they're foreign to.
The offense is not working well. It works in spurts
and then it doesn't. I think there is some inexperience
(07:46):
showing there. As p Y said, I think they can
kind of give him some help maybe with that. Maybe.
I hope they spent some time this weekend, although you
never know it from Nick Sirianni's remarks to I hope
they spent some time this weekend going over situations, and
you know, maybe it would have been good to do
(08:07):
this off of that and get him, you know, a
little more grounded in this. It's not like he just
sort of flew in here from Mars though. I mean
he's been part of the He is on the headset
whenever they call plays over the last four seasons and
has had input into play calling during that time. So
(08:30):
I don't think it's like this guy has no idea
what he should do and he's never you know that
you're asking him to reinvent the wheel here. I do.
I don't think he's doing a good job, obviously, but
I'm not sure that that you fire him at this moment.
If things aren't a lot better by the time you
(08:50):
get to the by I would certainly think about what
you might do along those lines. But I there are
are other problems. I mean, he is a problem. Is
his lack of creativity. But again, as we've said on
this show many times, how much of this is Kevin Patula?
(09:12):
How much of it is Nick? You know it's it's
mixed offense, Nick's past patterns to know where you know,
I don't know that Kevin Petula needs to lose his
job at this moment, even though I'm not his biggest fan.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Okay, let's let's everyone take a deep breath. The Eagles
are not missing the playoffs. Yeah, you're the end of story.
I don't care if if my grandma who's been dead
for fifteen years is the offensive.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Coard, Oh my god, you're the voice of reason.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well if if like they did last Thursday night, they
will miss the play But I don't think. I don't
see that. I think you're right, but go ahead, problem,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Too much talent here? Now? Are they gonna make noise?
As like? Do I have confidence they're gonna make noise
in the playoff the way they're playing right now? No,
I'm not. But we were here just last year. They
were two and two at the bye and everyone the
sky was falling, and then they came out and the
only game they lost post by was a game that
Jalen Hurts had to leave because of a concussion and CJ.
(10:16):
Gardner Johnson got his ass kicked out of the game,
which was shady, but besides the point, you got kicked
out of the game, So one of your best defensive
players and your quarterback didn't finish the game and the
only game you lost post by now, obviously this team
is best suited to have a Week five whatever I
(10:36):
think what they start buys last week week five. Obviously
under Nick Sirianni, this team is best suited to have
a bye week early in the season because they don't
start off well except when we go ten to one
and then utterly collapse. So three things popped out to
me watching that football game after a heartbreaking Philly's loss.
(10:59):
So number one was, okay, uh, you lost the turnover
battle for the first time, and god knows, when eight
minutes to go, the offense is cooking. They get in
the red zone and Jalen throws a damn near awful
(11:19):
pick six. It wasn't a pick six, he got tackled,
but the Giants were in the red zone and they
punched it in. You punched that in like you're supposed
to you're down three points. Yeah, three points with eight seven,
eight minutes to go, and I have every confidence the
Eagles win that football game. I disagree, Okay, cool, Uh,
(11:46):
you're what. I have every confidence they would have won
the football game. Down three with eight minutes to go.
You lost the battle in the trenches, which has nothing
to do with a mainly so on the defensive side,
because I thought the offensive line was fine, even though
Landon Dickerson didn't play.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh, I didn't think they were fine.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I thought it was better than the defensive line. The
defensive line could not get off one on ones to
save a lick against the Giants. Giants offensive line that
is not the Hogs Washington Redskins in the seventies and
the eighties. It's just not so to do that. To
(12:31):
counter that, Vic Fangio had the blitz to try and
rattle Jackson Dart, and Jackson Dart had an answer for
every blitz. Yeah, he was very impressive in his legs.
So defensive long defensive line got smacked around in the
tension in the trenches, which has nothing to do with
Kevin Petula and Jalen Hurts made an awful, awful decision
(12:55):
in the red zone, which has been very uncharacteristic of
him over the past twelve months, which isn't on Kevin Patulo.
Jalen needs to make a better decision without football and
not turn it on and find a way to punch
that in and beat a division rival who you're better
than and get out of there without your best stuff.
Number three, the whole game was the whole game. The
(13:19):
number one takeaway of the entire game on a big
picture NFL landscape is wow. The Giants hit a home
run with their first round pick in Jackson Dart and
they also hit a home run with their fourth round
pick in cam Scatibo. Now every team in the NFC
East has a franchise quarterback. I don't think I can
(13:40):
say that about any other division in the NFL. So
this division just got really interesting and I said it,
so go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Nothing against as my manager likes to point out, or
a six Jackson darting against him like he played great,
him and him, And then the c T Boys, the
concussion buddies, you know, they did what they they're supposed
to do. They they bought out fantastic. Cam Scanthaby looked
really good. Jackson Dart throwing it. Well, Jackson was running
(14:17):
all around the Eagles like they couldn't they couldn't touch them,
Like he looked at Baker Mayfield a few weeks ago,
like that's that's how elusive he was being. But I'm
not ready after like a few games to say, well,
he's the defensive of franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like he looks good right now.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I've been watching I've been watching sports a lot of years,
and we all talk about that. Everyone's trying to find
the it factor. No one can put it in the words,
and no one can describe it, but you know it
when you see it. Cam Scattaboo and Jackson Dart that's it.
They have the Whether they put it together and have
say long successful careers in the NFL. Uh, Well, I
(14:57):
guess we'll wait and see. But you want to talk
about spunk and it factor. Guess what. The New York
Giants have a lot of it right now, and the
Eagles don't.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Like they they had a great game.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You just said, the Eagles aren't gonna make the playoffs
unless they.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't believe, don't. I don't believe with all. I
don't believe in him long term.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't believe he's going to successfully put the Eagles
in the right positions at offense. Yeah, that's a factual statement,
but I also likes as much.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
That's literally the definition of an opinion.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
If he continues to underperform calling the offense and not
putting the team in proper positions, it's not going to
be successful.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And while the Giants like they looked really good.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They did, like they had a great game against the Eagles.
Congratulations to Jackson Dark, congratulations to camps Camp's Kataboo, Like
they played great, But like that's that's kind of something
you can expect from like a young, fiery team that's
going to like underachieve its first year great win.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Is it just something that's gonna be long term success?
We don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
This could be like a six game like stretch or
like they look really good and then the next two
years they're cheeks. Like I don't know that, Like just
because you pass a little bit of the vibes test
doesn't mean it's like a long term thing. Like we
see it with quarterbacks all the time, where they go
on a nice little stretch and then that's it. It's
a stretch they go absolutely nowhere, Like, could Jackson Dart
(16:36):
be like the long term savior for the Giants? Yeah, sure, maybe,
but I'm not willing to bet that after three games.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's just silly, uh.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Less rebuttal to anything that I said in my three
three points about why the Eagles lost the game three points,
I did not mention Kevin Patula.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, your three points are pretty good. The defense to me,
when I really sat back and looked at it, I
think what we all forgot going into Thursday night was,
you know, three days off, the defense had just played
seventy four snaps against Denver and seventy two the week
before against Tampa, and then you lose Jalen Carter going
(17:20):
into the game, and then you know Quinnon Mitchell during
the game, and I think the defense was really in
a bind by the second half of that game. Yes, yeah,
and they didn't have any legs and even Zach Bond
looked like he was kind of running the mud out there,
and you know he's trying, I mean, he's not youah.
So yeah, it was a bad game for the defense.
(17:43):
But I think some rest will get the defense, assuming
that Carter and Mitchell aren't seriously injured although they lost
se Tereus Smith for good today. That's something we're gonna
have to get into at some point here, because that's
right now, that's really a problem for them at this point.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But yeah, let's get into it. Do you have any
insight on that list, because it's kind of a bombshell.
He was playing kind of well, and he was excited
to sign with the Eagles, even though on the training camp,
and then he just you.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Know, I thought it was a great signing. I had
been waiting for them to do something like that, and
they did it, and I thought, Okay, now things are
pretty good, and his first couple of games were outstanding.
I thought he'd dipped down after that. He really didn't
play a whole lot Thursday night at the Giants, and
that caught my attention a little that Patrick Johnson got
more snaps than Zadarius Smith did. And you know, Patrick
(18:39):
Johnson is practice squad level guy. Yeah, so you know that.
I did notice that. But as far as retiring, you know,
I hear that it was just personal reasons. The thing.
The one thing that bothers me is I kind of
(18:59):
thought maybe he picked the Eagles because he wanted to
win a super Bowl or East to get to a
super Bowl. He's never done that. In all those years
with Baltimore and Green Bay and Minnesota and Cleveland and Detroit,
he's never been in the super Bowl. I don't think
he's ever really been on teams that have done a
lot in the playoffs. But so he's retiring. So does
(19:22):
he think now that, yeah, you know what, it's not
gonna happen here. That would bother me if that were
the case. You know, I haven't heard that, But I
just wonder if you really think, after eleven years in
the league that you've got a great chance to go
to the super Bowl, do you retire? You know, I
(19:46):
don't know. I don't. It's a bad thing for the Eagles,
I can tell you that, because even if he wasn't
playing great these last few games, they need. He's a
big body and he's better than a lot of what
they have, you know, Frankly, And now you're in a situation,
I know Howie Roseman hates this. You're in a situation
(20:06):
where you have to go into the market with a
gun to your head, you know, and everybody knows that
you unless you're gonna really try to limp through this
somehow without an edge rush. Uh, you've got to get
somebody in here, somebody good, you know. I think it's
a huge, huge development, frankly, for the for the team.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh, let's get some comments the Mystic Mythics. They were
being dominated physically. There was a chance they win if
we punched it in absolutely yeah yeah. Uh poor tackling.
Terrible effort by our defense on Thursday. Uh, they did
miss tackles, which this team hasn't done. I mean, I'm
not ready to dull them as like giving up or
(20:51):
not putting effort into it. I'm just not. I'm just
not there with anything about this team effort. I think
the effort is there. I think there's just there's just
a little off right now, and I think it's fixable,
as I am preaching, as I've been preaching patients. Over
the first twenty one minutes of the show. Uh, even
(21:12):
Jalen looks scared. Instead of fighting for a first, he
just slides. I mean, I didn't think Jalen Hurst looks
scared in that football.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
He scared, But I do hate that thing that he does,
and he stopped doing it for a while, but now
he's doing it again. That sit down bit when he
sees that he's not going anywhere. You know, I don't
think you're going to get killed if you dive forward?
Uh it just to mess what's that? That's right? Yeah,
(21:44):
but I don't like that. I think that's a bad
body language, bad juju kind of thing, especially when you
do it a bunch, and when he does it, he
tends to do it a bunch, like over and over again.
It's not my favorite move.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Dyalen never really has good body language though. Yeah, yeah,
he really doesn't. That's his that's his thing. Like I
don't like. I still don't know how he missed that
ninety yard touchdown pass Devonte.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Spin just didn't put enough air under it, you know. Yeah,
that was bad.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
That's another play. I mean, well, first off, it needed
to be a ninety yard touchdown because AJ Dillon and
Tank Bigsby can't catch kickoffs, right that you should.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
We also shouldn't be having like a A. J. Dillon is
not someone who should be back there.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You have to He traded Tanks Tank Bigsby, so Bigsby.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Bigsby makes all the sense in the world, like you
trade it for him specifically to do these things. But
if he can't do them, you already have two guys
on your practice squad who know how to do it.
What the hell is Brittin Covey and Gibson even doing
on the practice.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Squad like there to know how to do? Why you
got to catch the ball?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
They're good at it though, like catch.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
It and catching the ball. I could catch a kickoff
with these rules.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
But why do I have guys who are good returners
and solid returners who are.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Just sitting on my practice squad?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Like if you don't trust Tank Bigsby out there on kickoff,
why don't you throw Covey out there.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Who you know can do it?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, you brought and Gibson to do it, like he's
he's been here for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Like what's the point?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The Lego special teams have gotten a lot of mileage
out of those block kicks. But outside of that and
the fact that Jake Elliott is back on the beam,
outside of that, they're not really very good. They don't return,
they don't tackle well on returns all the time. You know,
they always they seem to have a bad return once
every game or two, Uh bad return against I mean, yeah,
(23:53):
it's it's Uh, there's a lot going on, you know,
and I think overall, this is what you get after
the Super Bowl. You know, the Eagles have never had
a great season after the Super Bowl, and it's really rare.
I mean even I looked this up the other day.
The Chiefs, you know, the first team in twenty years
(24:15):
to win back to back, blah blah blah. That second year,
they weren't nearly as good as dominant a team as
they had been the first year, they were eleven and six.
They lost a game at Denver with Russell Wilson quarterbacking,
in which they scored nine points. You know, Ma Holmes
threw a couple of picks. It was you know, they
(24:35):
they had and the Rams. Remember the Rams won the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Oh they were five disaster. Yeah, that was when Dick
for Meal retired in that idiot Mike Martz.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, no, I'm talking about their most recent super Bowl, just.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But it happened.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It happened back then too.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It happened back then too. I mean there's a reason why.
You know, this is pretty common that the Patriots, for
all those Super Bowls they won, they only won back
to back once. That was the year they beat the Eagles.
That was their back to back in two thousand and four,
two thousand and three. Two thousand and four was their
only back to back. It's just hard, you know, guys
(25:14):
are beat up, guys are tired. Ma A Lota looks
like he's you know, running underwater, you know, when he's
trying to people are going around him like he's not
not quick anymore. I think he probably is. But I
also think that twenty one games last year. You know,
(25:35):
I don't know what. I think they'll bounce back and
I think they'll be okay, but they've got a lot
of this edge rush thing and the corner thing opposite
Mitchell is really these are weaknesses they didn't have last year.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
The Matt Berg I think they need to get back
to what got hurt the dance, get him running on
the move more. The Dallas game ran all over the
place without hesitation and then throw a bomb of dots.
And the problem is that's the only thing this offense
can do.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right now, right And the other thing they need to
do is they want to get their running game. Yep,
it's so weird. The first half Thursday night, they ran,
they didn't run a lot, but they ran effectively, you know,
and then the second half they couldn't run it at all,
and it was like everybody just was gassed. Like we
(26:26):
were saying, it's I don't know, you.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Know, it's not helping them.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Last they're starting position to start the game, like where
you're getting the ball, like every five, ten, the fifteen,
like this is not.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
A good start to football. Like you'll see them.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Hit three first downs sometimes on drives and they're at
their own forty.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, right, if I would take that most of the
time they're starting at the ten or fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Well, I mean after the three first downs, they're at
the forty, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
But yeah, yeah, And Jalen was sharp to start the
game in the second in the first half, I.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Think that's the thing. He had a perfect first half
and then a terrible second half.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And I don't know what that's about. But every all
the past catcher catchers were targeted and production production wise
were there. You just mentioned Saquan He rushed I think
three times right off the bat in the first on
the first drive, right up the middle. Nothing fancy, no
guard pulling, no misdirection, no nothing. And he had a
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very very high average in the first half and then
you fall behind, and I think game script kind of
hurt the running the the running game in the second
half because you got down and then Hurst through the
pick and then you know you're not going to run it.
Then aj Dillon fumbled as well, but the game was
already over at that point. Uh mistic. I really don't
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want to put Coop back there again. But we didn't.
We go out and bring in Covey again. It can't
be any worse. Yeah, if Tank Bigsby is active on
Sunday afternoon, that's where my patience level will will be into.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well that's a I agree with you, but that's gonna
be tricky because didn't how he give up two draft picks?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Well, I mean, look how he's made a good living
over the past couple of years fleecing teams on trades. Yeah, right,
so the Jags got him, yeah instead of like remember
when remember when the Arizona Carters picked Josh Rosen I
think tenth overall and then they realized that he was
a stiff and they were wrong, and they picked Kyler
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Murray first overall the next year. It's okay, just don't
double down.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I agree, don't double down the guy. He gives you
nothing in the run game. They're not even putting him
out there. He's here to return kicks. I assume that's
why they traded for him, because they seem to have
no interest in putting him in the football game as
a runner. And he can't catch kickoffs. I don't know
if he he's flustered by the rules or that it's
different now that the guys line up a little different
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this year. I don't know what it is, but these
guys dropping these kickoffs, it's certainly not a good start
for an offense that we've been talking about for six
weeks that hasn't been up the snuff, even though they're talented.
And like Bob says, did you catch Nick Nick's reaction
on the one muff by Tank? I mean I didn't.
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I don't know, yeah, but I mean, it's gotta be frustrating.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He yelled a very bad word, really loud.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Did it start with an F Okay, Well good, because
that's what I that's I yelled the same thing. I mean,
And it's not just like it's every game with these
guys back there, every game, and like I don't really
put it on the coach, Like, I mean, do you
really need to coach the guys like to dude, just
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catch the football and run straight if you catch, if
they don't kick it out of the end zone, and
you field the ball cleanly. Like with how they line
up these days, you're starting at the thirty yard line. No, yeah,
like then you need then you get those three first
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downs you were talking about less, then you're in Elliott
range already. Yes, yes, now now they're getting You just
alluded to it and you're absolutely correct. Now they're getting
three first downs and they're at like the negative side
of the thirty yard line. They still got to get
three more first downs to get in the field goal range.
Like it. Something has to be done about the kick
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returns because I mean Aj Dillon and Tank Basby they
should be working at Walmart. They would not be. They
would not be They would not have been permitted on
the team bus after the football game by Coe trop Riingman,
uh Killy Ringo, who I hate as well. At least
he gives you something covering kicks on special teams.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, he had he had.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He had a bad He had a really bad night.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He had a bad game because he's a stiff.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I I just it's so early, like maybe he could
be better, like he could play better, but like there's
nobody else out there, Like I feel better throwing hit
him out than whenever a Dori Jackson is gonna give me.
Because that one play in the in the red zone
where he.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Just were, uh a door, just stood there and just
let the guy in like you might as well just
like been a waiter and just like hold the door
open for him, Like that's exactly what that was.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Neither player is that great and neither but.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Grend Duffy said the Eagles are trying to get by
with two fourth corners on the opposite side of of Quinnon,
and that that's really it. I mean, these are two
guys that you don't want out there. Really.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You noticed, you notice who got picked on when Quinney
on Mitchell left left the game. Now, logic would state
that the new guy off the benches of Dorr Jackson,
that's who the Giants are probably going to pick on
the majority of the game. They did not. They still
picked Ringo.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, well Dory played for the Giants and he played
reasonably well for them, you know, so I think they
had some respect for him. Keighley has all this physical ability,
but I don't think he sees the game very well.
I don't think he I think his speed is all
straight line speed. I don't think he can I don't
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think he's very nimble, and I swear to God he'll
he'll try to commit a penalty on every snap. I
mean sometimes they don't, but I just he can't play
without his hands on the guy, you know, and it's
he's very handsy.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Was he was that way in college?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Like that's just how he plays.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
But there's just there's no other alternative.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Like your options right now are are Ringo, who I
feel the best with right now based on potential and
everything and what he can give you, or a Dory
is like broken behind. That is just I just don't
feel comfortable throwing him out there.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I rather I haven't and I don't want to do
I don't want to do that, like I I rather
I rather have Ringo out there.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Where he needs to be Sidney Brown. It can be.
I don't know, there's a lot of you have more
options at Nickel, yeah, you know, at outside corner, and
if you're just going to get killed out there all day.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
The only other the only other option, less is mac McWilliams,
if you want to throw him out there and see
what you have in him.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
But like the fact that they're not even activating in
the last two games makes you think.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You don't have options, Like those are your three options
right now?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Well, I'm against I would be if a full deck,
a full healthy deck. I'm against Cooper the Gene playing
out side corner because he's so good in the slot.
But you don't have a right now, especially if Q's
out out they have.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Qu'es out, that's a different story.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
But like even if it let the kid Williams play
the slot, Killy Ringo can be I mean kiey Ringo,
he covers Kid. I mean he's got the straight line
speed like Less said, and he's physical so he can
play special teams. That's fine, And sit of Dory Jackson
on the bench and you got Coop Q and Mac
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McWilliams in the slot. Maybe Sidney Brown can play in
the slot. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I just don't think they feel comfortable like moving Coop
out of his natural position, Like.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
No, they don't, but you know you and normally I
would agree with that. Fellas normally I would agree with that,
but I.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Don't want to play against anybody on one on one side, and.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
That's a that's a massively bad match up.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
But you have to either hope that jer Corn Bennett
is going to be your guy moving forward in the
second half of the season, or you go out there
and you trade for a veteran, a believable veteran.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Can we stop with this? With that, I mean, stop
of this Denzel Ward nonsense. That's not happening.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
But we're asking a lot of the trade deadline here.
It's it's really hard to find good value at the
trade deadline, and you've already you've got to get an
edge rusher. So how many how much are you gonna're
gonna trade away your whole draft next year to try
to get a couple of guys in here? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I mean, I got you got a lot of.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Tough decision, it really is, And then what happens between
now and November fourth is probably gonna have a lot
to do with that decision. I mean, I'm not gonna
if they're trying to breathe life into a dying carcass
in November, then don't make the trades and just move
right along with whatever you need to do to get
some good young talent in here, you know, in the draft.
(36:05):
But I don't anticipate that will be the case.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I mean, you can't trade your first or second round pick.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
No, I'm not doing that under no circumstances.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
If the bottom does fall out like twenty twenty three,
like they're gonna be good picks. Yeah, So you can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Like, the only way I would need to get a
guy that I feel so comfortable with, like like a
young stud moving forward. Like if I could go get
Trayvon Walker, I might trade some high picks to go
get him, Like now, if I could get a Denzel Ward,
like I feel comfortable with that. But like, I'm not
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trading multiple first for Trayvon Walker or for Trey Hendrickson,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh God, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Like I'm seeing people talk about that, Oh you know,
you gotta trade major picks for him.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I'm like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Like if I could go and get like David Joku
had like a reasonable deal, I would do that to MH.
I would feel really comfortable having him in there. You know,
whatever you can do to bolster up the pass rush.
I'm all for it, but I'm not like emptying all
the clips, like that's just not happening. And I also
don't want to, like unless I can go and get
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a corner that I feel better than the one I have,
I'm not going out to get one. Like just throwing
out and getting a veteran who might be like slightly
better doesn't really do me anything.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Denzel Ward who says no.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I do I do?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, I mean the one thing you can't do it
say about the only thing, Like I'm sick of hearing
about A. J.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Brown brought this up because you can't do it. You
literally can't do it.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
But this is not real life, this is a podcast.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
The salary can prohibits you from doing it. I mean
you could never. I don't know how you get back
and clients with the cap this season, and you'd have
a long term obligation of like eighty million dollars hanging
over your head. It would be a disastrous move to
trade AJ Brown this season now after June first next year,
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which is what you hear a lot, you know, when
people actually when you tell them bullshit, it's not going
to happen. Then you start hearing about you know what
the number is after June first next year. But we're
a long way from after June first.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Let's let's just play make believe. Are you sick of
talking about aj Brown?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Like I am?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Know?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
But how much of it is really his fault? I
mean really, I mean seriously.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
They're having a run bad routes. That's not his.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Peas if it were a feasible trade with the money,
would you do it?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
No? No, No, I wouldn't. I think he's a great player,
and I think they just need to do a better
job of using him. Yes, And I think a lot
of the somebody said this to me on social media.
I feel like a lot of this is PA trying
to make people, trying to make t o happen, and
it's he's not.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
He's not too until he starts doing sit ups in
the driveway reading niche.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
That business Thursday night, That business Thursday night, they just
lost a game. They looked horrible. And he gets asked
about this meeting several days earlier that he had with
with Berkley and Hurts. Well, obviously the meeting didn't accomplish
much of anything, so he smiles and says, I don't
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know what you're talking about. I don't know about any meeting.
And the headlines are.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Meeting like he had six for eighty on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, he was fine. I don't think he was. He
was upset about losing. I don't think he was, you know,
but he People just don't know how to take him
a lot of the time, I think, and and people
want to see controversy. They want to see, you know,
something's really wrong here and all that stuff. I don't know.
(40:05):
I'm not there. You know, maybe there is something wrong,
but I don't. I honestly don't really see it. I
think they're not doing a very good job of running
an effective offense. I don't think Jalen is is sharp
when he in crucial moments when he needs to be sharp.
Laid in games right now, and uh, you know, if
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they beat the Vikings, I think everything will probably be
all right.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Brings us to next week and the middle. So let's
put a bow on the Giants game.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
It's done.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, let's go around the panel. What is your panic
meter on a scale of one to ten, ten being
this is twenty twenty three and they're just cooked and
one being nothing's wrong at all.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, I'm probably a five.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
First of all, I'm not big on panic because it
doesn't ever solve anything. If you panic, what you know?
What are you gaining from that? Do I think this
is twenty twenty three? I still don't, although I'm a
lot less certain than I was a couple of weeks ago.
I just think there is a lot of talent. Unless
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more people get hurt real bad, I don't think they're
gonna just fall apart. I think they have good leadership.
They've been through twenty twenty three, A lot of these
guys have, and I think they learn some things from that.
But I'm a little concern. I mean, that was a
bad Clearly they didn't I know, we just said we're
(41:47):
gonna stop talking about the Giants. But the Eagles went
in there thinking, Okay, finally here's a team that isn't
any good. We're so tired, let's just win this and
go home. And the Giants were like, we've been hearing
for a year and a half about this damn say
Quin Barkley thing, and you've been beating us and which
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has been horrible. And we have this meme with our
owner and all this, and we're gonna get We're gonna
win this game. And I don't think the Eagles were
set up for that at all. I think. But I
don't think that the end of the world is at hand.
I really don't. I don't think it should be. There's
no good reason why it should be. So let's see.
(42:31):
But i'd say five, I'll go with I'll go as
high as five.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I'm at a four, Okay, I mean, last I looked,
the Commanders were getting smoked on Monday Night Football by
the Bears. What's that sixteen ten?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
There's losing still, Yes, Okay, Dallas lost to Carolina yesterday,
don't We still don't know what the heck is going
And for as sexy as that win was for the
Giants on Thursday, they're two and four.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah. No, I kept checking that in the final minutes
because the way the announcers were talking, you would think
that a juggernaut had just been unleashed on that football.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Well, we'll see how Jackson Dark progresses.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
I mean, we'll see, could be.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
But I mean they did lose to the Saints in
the game before the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, it was the Saints they lost to the Ants.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
So I mean the division is like a little cloudy
because the Eagles are struggling, but it's really not that it.
P Y. You led the show by telling me that
the Eagles were going to miss the playoffs if they don't,
(43:49):
So which is it? And then you're a four.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I can feel, but I can feel, but I'm allowed
to feel multiple of emotions. All right, I'm the emotional
roller coaster. All right, this is me? All right?
Speaker 4 (44:00):
You know, Well, it's.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Kind of like his beard. It comes and goes.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It does exactly last my beard, Like my emotions come
and go as they please.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
All Right, Well, I don't love.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
I'm not worried. The East isn't very good. But you're
firing the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yes, all those things.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Three Yeah, very inconsistent, but okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Just like this passing game.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
So they're going up to Minnesota, the Land of Lakes.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
We're gonna kick Carson Wentz's ass.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
I hope you're right about that. I guess there's a
chance that JJ McCarthy could it's.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Looking like he might not play, and I'm one hundred
percent here for it.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
The last I heard was McCarthy might practice in some
fashion this week, which doesn't sound to me like they
want to throw him out there, you know, Sunday. And
I think Wentz has played at least as well as
McCarthy was playing, you know, So I don't know, but I.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Think the whole vibe, the whole quarterback vibe there in
Minnesota was a polite benching of j. It was like, okay,
like your ankle's sore. Okay, it's like Super Spring. You're
gonna be out a month and you're going to watch
a guy who's been on the guy who's at least
(45:22):
been around the league run the Kevin O'Connell offense.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Literally, there would be wins can still throw. You leave
him alone back there. You just let him stand there
and throw and give him all day to look over
options and stuff. And the Eagles are perfectly capable of
doing that. J. J.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
He's got to be scared, like because he's feeling what
we felt as phill Off the Eagles fans watching the
Wentz experience where he does, oh my god, it's the
greatest thing I've ever seen to Oh.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
My god, this is the worst thing I've ever seen.
Week after week after week, well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Think Carson's played great for them, but I think he's
made some really good throws here and there. And you know,
he can beat If they're playing like they played against
the the Giants are in the second half against Denver,
he can He can certainly beat them. They just need to.
They got to heat him up. They got to get
the pass rush in there and uh, you know, rattle
(46:23):
him and.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
He can't move like he used to.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
This isn't Baker Mayfield, this isn't Bone Nicks, this isn't
Jackson dark Like right.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Well, two things that concern me are we talked about
the corner position.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And then we're gonna watch Isaiah Rogers.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah, watch Isaiah Rodgers. And I don't know if you
guys know and know this, but that the Minnesota Vikings
have a pretty good receiver by the name of Justin Jefferson. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I may have heard of him.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
So if Quinean Mitchell hasn't played, uh, watch out for him.
And less as you just articulated, Carson Wentz is an
okay quarterback when he has time, and the Eagles are
certainly capable of giving opposing quarterbacks time. Time is because
the pass rush really the defensive line play outside of
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some thirty minute spurts in some in some football games
hasn't been there. So I mean, are we walking into
are we walking walking to the tombs here in Minnesota?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I hope they're Dalen Carter's okay and that that'll get better. Uh.
Nick made a point of gassing up Jylex Hunt again
today and Fangio did that in his last press. I
think they're trying to get that guy. With Nolan Smith out,
I think they really need Jalx Hunt to step up
and be the guy he was in the playoffs last year.
(47:54):
And he isn't. I mean to me, he is not
playing well at all in any phase and they say
he is. But I kind of think they're just trying
to make that happen, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
I just think they believe in them, like as they should.
Like he looked really well in the playoffs. Like it's
still year two, Like I it's it's too early to
jump the gone on him, but what there.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Was he needs to be he he is their most
talented past rusher right now.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I would say Moro Jarmo.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, Yeah, that's another guy that all all through training
camp we heard about how he was gonna bust out and.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
He he he is exactly right now.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Yeah, I mean he's does he really lead the team
in sad yes?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Would you like to guess who's number two?
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Well, it was it was the guy that just.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, and Jordan Davis was having a pretty nice season.
I don't think I hurd his name once against the Giants.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
But like, I just think everyone was bad. Like I think,
I don't think there was a great performance.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
There really wasn't know. Maybe maybe Jene played. Gene had
to make a million tackles because guys were dropping into
the secondary, and but other than that, I didn't think
Bond was great. I didn't think Campbell was great. It
was just not a very good game. It was a
very dull edged game. I thought Macouba had a horrible miss.
(49:23):
Uh miss. He didn't cover the guy he was supposed
to cover.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Is he's still all pro?
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Maybe one day, but not right now.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, he's a rookie. You know, he looked like a rookie,
and you know that's that's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
And Campbell, I mean, he's been really good, but yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That was just his his one bad game so far,
which is I'm curious to see if they might throw
him in the edge.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
A little bit, not a lot, And.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I think that's something else they really don't want to do,
along with moving de Gene.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
I don't think so, But like I just think that
maybe you might need a little you might be desperate
for pass rush, and it's possible you throw him out there,
and you throw Dean out there.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
One thing I'm not doing, I'm not getting c J.
Gardner Johnson. It's dead.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
He's on somebody's practice squad.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, he's on the Ravens practice. Like it's just not happening.
Like he's burned that bridge to death.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
It's just not happening.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Can we just think if you have a bad if
you have the possibility of things going bad, he's the
last guy in the world.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
It's a powder keg.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Nick talked today everything he had he kept
over and over again like a mantra that he's looking
for solutions, not looking to lay blame, which to me
is trying to keep the locker room from point.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
That everyone arguing in the locker room it's not good.
So I did not hear that. I did not hear
Nick's press or what did he talk today.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Three times in four questions he worked in that he's
looking for solutions, not to cast blames.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, I usually I usually listen to it, but I
work today instead of being so.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
I don't think that means that guys are fighting in
the locker room. I just think like after a loss
like that, everyone is looking to put blame on someone
and rather than like going around and being like, well,
it was Jalen's fault, it's AJ's fault, it's Zack Bond's fault.
Like he's trying to find solutions to what wasn't to
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be a discussion.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
This is why they have film sessions.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
The thing I get tired about, tired of though, with
Nick is there's a way to answer questions where you
at least acknowledge. You can say something like, well, moving forward,
our offensive line has to be a lot more consistent
and a lot more physical. And you're not singling anyone
out or telling anybody anything that's we can't see ourselves.
(52:01):
But at least you're acknowledging reality. And he won't even
do stuff like that. I mean, it's like, oh, we're
going to keep all that didn't helps?
Speaker 4 (52:09):
You know? Nick strikes me as the perfect coach to
have when things are going really good.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, but if.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Things are going not good, he's not. He's not the
greatest to have acted.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I mean, isn't that untrue considering things were going pretty
bad to start the season last year and he was
able to write the ship, Like, I have.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
Every confidence he's going to write the ship this this year.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I just don't think he's great in press conferences, Like
like he he doesn't talk.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
He doesn't talk like a normal head coach would. He is.
He's a team guy, like he is a he's a
coach's kid.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Like that's the way he talks, like, you know, everything's
he wants to take the blame on himself. He doesn't
really want to throw anyone under the boss.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
You know. That's just to acknowledge your problems without throwing
people under.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
The Yeah, I just don't think he's.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Just talk about our problems and that's.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I just he's great at illustrating guy at times. And
nothing is more true than like his first press conference,
like he put his foot in his mouth and that's
kind of what he does from time to time. He's
not as eloquent as he should be at times in
press conferences.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
But he's also not Andy Ree where it's like old guards,
we're gonna play better.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
Well Andy, Andy would do that on the podium, and
I think he got he got his points across to
the players. Yeah, So he took the blame in public
and looked like it was a buffoon sometimes at his
press conferences, but behind closed doors, I mean, he's still
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in the league, winning game soever he's doing clearly, clearly
where and he still talks. He still talks the same
and at the Kansas City press conferences as he did
at the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
But it hits different now after he won, though.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Everything hits different once you start winning by all the silly,
stupid things that he's done over the years, Like once
you start winning multiple super Bowls, they're like, oh classic.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah you're right. Yeah, everything becomes like a quirk rather
than a flaw. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Uh. Closing thoughts, p Y.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
We're gonna write the ship. I'm so proud Rob. I
want to actually say this, I'm very proud of you
this week. Last week, you're well, well high strong about
what was gonna happen with this.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Last week because they should have won and he did.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I was expecting a lot of doom and gloom from you,
and I'm very proud of you. You were the positive
force this week. I was not expecting that.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
When my patience goes, it's gonna go though.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
What I said, I'm proud of you in this moment,
this moment alone, positive Rob. I could work with positive Rob.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
Okay less closing thought.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, I want to see the injury report this week.
We're aways from that still, but I don't like, I
want to see Jalen Dalen Carter out there, and I
want to see Landon Dickerson better, and I want to
you know, Quinnyon Mitchell. Dear lord, you just don't want
to go out there without these guys against anybody, you know,
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And if they do, it's gonna be hard, it really is.
We can talk about oh, Carson Wentz and all that stuff,
but if the Eagles are still missing half of their
good players, they're not They're not gonna go up there
and have a lot of fun. So I really I
think they can bounce back.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
I think that that would be Wednesday, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Wednesday will be the first injury report, and I you know,
I keep those fingers crossed here because they really need
to get some guys.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
I'll be I'm just gonna tell you right now, if
Carson Wentz shreds the Eagles, I don't care who's out there,
who's in Jared, who's playing. If Carson Wentz shreds the Eagles,
uh my page, I will not be so tolerant next
next Monday night there. Yeah, And honestly, if a bunch
of guys are injured, we just talked about it like
Carson's good when he has time. The Eagles don't have
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a pass rush. They have one of the best receivers
in the league in Justin Jefferson, and the Eagles don't
have a viable outside corner right now, pending the health
of Quinny on there. So on paper, it's not looking.
But I do think the Eagles I think they write
the ship somehow, some way. I think they write the ship.
I think I think it's I think it's a big
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key that this football game is not at home.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, you think that's good.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
I think it's very good.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Territory here.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
No, because I'm one of them that's down there, not
every game, but most of the games. And after a
lot like that, after a loss like that, especially to
New York where they're not very good and haven't been
very good, and you kind of got your tail kicked
the first play that the fans don't approve of, the
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Birds are gonna come out question and Nick and Jalen
have proven time and time again in the past that
they don't respond well to that. So I think that
it's a big advantage for this struggling offense to be
on the road this week.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
That's a that's a decent thought. Yeah, although I could
do without them, you know, without Tyler Steen having to
turn around every snap.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's Minnesota, though they're they're Midwest.
Yoko's out there like they're not. They're not. They're tough.
They're tough when they come in and put the Rocky
Rocky Vikings jersey on the Rocky statue and then get
hitting them out. But they're they're they're harmless. They might
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be a little loud, but you can shut them up
quick if you start it up. And then, I mean,
if you are able to get a pass rush on Carson,
he's proven time and time again that he will panic
and make awful, awful decision.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Throw it to the other team, yes.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
Or fumble I mean he does. He is the first
quarterback in NFL history. I saw that's played that started
a game for six different teams in six different years.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
I didn't know that insane.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
Maybe I don't have it quite right because I didn't.
I didn't pin it on Twitter. But uh, it's something
like that. And yeah, they're gonna have to They're gonna
have to get it done this weekend, through hell or
high water. I think they will. And then they'll be
five and two. They'll be in first place by at
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least two games by my math, right, and.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
They'll have a chance to get to get their reap
their revenge upon the Giants. Yes.
Speaker 4 (59:11):
Uh and a few Sundays at Lincoln Financial Field. Yes,
fingers crossed, godspeed that we are talking about a win
this time next Monday for Les Bowen, Peter Young. I'm
Rob Brinkman. This was Eagles talk. Peace out everybody, Yes,
(59:32):
take care,
No, everybody's got a price for the million dollar man.
Oh who's that kid? Nick? Uh? He looks like Beaker
from Muppets The One on one Nick. Right, Yeah, yeah,
I got I did not even I love I love that.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
If I get five and they're all in the same
room with me, we're going at it at one.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hundred and.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, Welcome in everyone, great start obviously for show
ever Uh, Eagles Talk. This is not lazy booking. Lazy
booking will be different time during the week. This is
Eagles Talk with Peter Young, Les Bowen and of course
I am Rob Brinkman.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
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for ten percent off your in storage purchase. Poll question tonight,
getting into it right away. Kevin Pittullo should be fired
or demoted or the Eagles will miss the playoffs. Take
it away, p y.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
How can you not think that he needs to be demoting,
Like like I'm not saying he needs to lose his
job entirely, like they need to get rid of him.
They kick him out of the building. But like it's
not good. But I also I knew this wasn't going
to be good. I don't like outside hires. There are
certain hosts who aren't here right now that called me
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crazy for not supporting an in house promotion. You know,
it's not like we've never seen it before have issues,
but like there's just obviously the O line isn't great
right now, so like maybe you could throw that out
all They were like, oh, you know, it's not all
Kevin's fault.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The on line's hurt. They can't get it done, things
like that. But here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
The play calling is not good, Like there's no creativity,
no one is getting open, like and maybe you want
to throw it out there, like, oh, it's all on
Jay when it's all on Jay one.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But I'm like, and I would put that on him
if like.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
He was fumbling every other play and he was forcing interceptions,
I could look at that and be like, all right,
the quarterback is not properly helping the team, right, But
like if you're watching the.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Tape, like no one's open, like.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
There's no easy plays, Like the routes are bad, Like
Aj Brown is like dogging it because he looks at
this and he sees all these awful routes. He's being
forced to go out there and do like they're just
not doing anything correctly, and he's just overwhelmed.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And this is hurting the team.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's hurting Nick Siriani because he went from having someone
like Kellum Art where you can trust, you can focus
on what you do best, and that's making big decisions
in the game, working on the entire game plan for
the whole team, rather than having to babysit your offensive coordinator,
which is similar to what happened in twenty three. But
(03:59):
I think think this is way worse because at least
when Brian Johnson came in, Brian Johnson called plays. Brian
Johnson was an offensive coordinator at Florida like like there
was a little bit of a finger on the pulls.
There's somewhat of a concept of how the call plays
and big moments, what to do and things like that.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Patool just doesn't know what to do. He doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And me and Chucks have had a lot of conversations
about this and our group chat where when you've called
plays before, you know what to call, you know when
to call it, you have an idea of what could
work and when it could or could not work. If
you've never done that before, how do you know? How
do you know when you need to dial dial up
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a wheel route? How do you know maybe across or
across the middle is gonna work best? Like instead of
it just being like all right for the verticals, let's
see what happens. Fellas Like Kevin Pottool calls plays like
some high school kid playing Madden.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
We're just like, let's figure it out. This is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like he's just not a good play caller. And it's
hurting the team. It's hurting the quarterback, it's pissing off
the wide receivers. The only person who's happy with a
play calling is Dallas Gotter because Dallas is having his
best year. He's probably gonna have his most touchdowns, the
most yards, and the most receptionist he's ever had in
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the season. And that's guaranteed even if he misses his
annual six games. So like, I'm not going out there
and saying, well, you know, we can't go out and
we can't ever hire do an in house higher. I'm
not saying that I don't love it. I'm also not
saying that you have to fire Kevin Patouol, but like
you just you can't keep going with him because it's
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just not working.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
If anything, I'll take the QB.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The QB coach y'aw Loffler, the guy who coached at
was it Bowling Green, He's called plays before, he.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Has experienced doing that. I'd be throwing his.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Name in there and seeing what he can do. If
you don't want to like completely like ruin the relationship
and basically admit that Nick made a huge Nick and
how have made a huge mistake, maybe you kind of
do what Nick did in the first in his first year,
being like, all right, these are my strength these are
my weaknesses. You know who's better at calling plays, Shane.
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I'm going to focus on and do what I can do,
and maybe you have Patulo do other things.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
But right now have not answered the pole question yet.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, whether we have said yes, you have to demote
him like you have to demote not the poll question.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
What do you is that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Would they make the play if they keep low as
Fire demoted, the Eagles won't make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yes, if they keep him in there, they're not making
the playoffs because it's just gonna continuously go down, down, down,
down down. I'm like, that's what things are looking like.
If Kevin Batula was kept in charge, things are not
going to work out the way we expect them to.
They're not going to make the playoffs. They're not going
back to the super Bowl, and it's just not going
to look good.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Okay, let's what say you about the pole question, Kevin Bittulo,
the pole question, however you want to take it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think they can make the playoffs without firing Kevin Batullo,
but that doesn't really speak to the idea of whether
they should find Kevin Pula. I don't know they're foreign to.
The offense is not working well. It works in spurts
and then it doesn't. I think there is some inexperience
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showing there. As p Y said, I think they can
kind of give him some help maybe with that. Maybe.
I hope they spent some time this weekend, although you
never know it from Nick Sirianni's remarks to I hope
they spent some time this weekend going over situations, and
you know, maybe it would have been good to do
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this off of that and get him, you know, a
little more grounded in this. It's not like he just
sort of flew in here from Mars though. I mean
he's been part of the He is on the headset
whenever they call plays over the last four seasons and
has had input into play calling during that time. So
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I don't think it's like this guy has no idea
what he should do and he's never you know that
you're asking him to reinvent the wheel here. I do.
I don't think he's doing a good job, obviously, but
I'm not sure that that you fire him at this moment.
If things aren't a lot better by the time you
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get to the by I would certainly think about what
you might do along those lines. But I there are
are other problems. I mean, he is a problem. Is
his lack of creativity. But again, as we've said on
this show many times, how much of this is Kevin Patula?
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How much of it is Nick? You know it's it's
mixed offense, Nick's past patterns to know where you know,
I don't know that Kevin Petula needs to lose his
job at this moment, even though I'm not his biggest fan.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Okay, let's let's everyone take a deep breath. The Eagles
are not missing the playoffs. Yeah, you're the end of story.
I don't care if if my grandma who's been dead
for fifteen years is the offensive.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Coard, Oh my god, you're the voice of reason.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well if if like they did last Thursday night, they
will miss the play But I don't think. I don't
see that. I think you're right, but go ahead, problem,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Too much talent here? Now? Are they gonna make noise?
As like? Do I have confidence they're gonna make noise
in the playoff the way they're playing right now? No,
I'm not. But we were here just last year. They
were two and two at the bye and everyone the
sky was falling, and then they came out and the
only game they lost post by was a game that
Jalen Hurts had to leave because of a concussion and CJ.
(10:16):
Gardner Johnson got his ass kicked out of the game,
which was shady, but besides the point, you got kicked
out of the game, So one of your best defensive
players and your quarterback didn't finish the game and the
only game you lost post by now, obviously this team
is best suited to have a Week five whatever I
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think what they start buys last week week five. Obviously
under Nick Sirianni, this team is best suited to have
a bye week early in the season because they don't
start off well except when we go ten to one
and then utterly collapse. So three things popped out to
me watching that football game after a heartbreaking Philly's loss.
(10:59):
So number one was, okay, uh, you lost the turnover
battle for the first time, and god knows, when eight
minutes to go, the offense is cooking. They get in
the red zone and Jalen throws a damn near awful
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pick six. It wasn't a pick six, he got tackled,
but the Giants were in the red zone and they
punched it in. You punched that in like you're supposed
to you're down three points. Yeah, three points with eight seven,
eight minutes to go, and I have every confidence the
Eagles win that football game. I disagree, Okay, cool, Uh,
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you're what. I have every confidence they would have won
the football game. Down three with eight minutes to go.
You lost the battle in the trenches, which has nothing
to do with a mainly so on the defensive side,
because I thought the offensive line was fine, even though
Landon Dickerson didn't play.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh, I didn't think they were fine.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I thought it was better than the defensive line. The
defensive line could not get off one on ones to
save a lick against the Giants. Giants offensive line that
is not the Hogs Washington Redskins in the seventies and
the eighties. It's just not so to do that. To
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counter that, Vic Fangio had the blitz to try and
rattle Jackson Dart, and Jackson Dart had an answer for
every blitz. Yeah, he was very impressive in his legs.
So defensive long defensive line got smacked around in the
tension in the trenches, which has nothing to do with
Kevin Petula and Jalen Hurts made an awful, awful decision
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in the red zone, which has been very uncharacteristic of
him over the past twelve months, which isn't on Kevin Patulo.
Jalen needs to make a better decision without football and
not turn it on and find a way to punch
that in and beat a division rival who you're better
than and get out of there without your best stuff.
Number three, the whole game was the whole game. The
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number one takeaway of the entire game on a big
picture NFL landscape is wow. The Giants hit a home
run with their first round pick in Jackson Dart and
they also hit a home run with their fourth round
pick in cam Scatibo. Now every team in the NFC
East has a franchise quarterback. I don't think I can
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say that about any other division in the NFL. So
this division just got really interesting and I said it,
so go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Nothing against as my manager likes to point out, or
a six Jackson darting against him like he played great,
him and him, And then the c T Boys, the
concussion buddies, you know, they did what they they're supposed
to do. They they bought out fantastic. Cam Scanthaby looked
really good. Jackson Dart throwing it. Well, Jackson was running
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all around the Eagles like they couldn't they couldn't touch them,
Like he looked at Baker Mayfield a few weeks ago,
like that's that's how elusive he was being. But I'm
not ready after like a few games to say, well,
he's the defensive of franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like he looks good right now.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I've been watching I've been watching sports a lot of years,
and we all talk about that. Everyone's trying to find
the it factor. No one can put it in the words,
and no one can describe it, but you know it
when you see it. Cam Scattaboo and Jackson Dart that's it.
They have the Whether they put it together and have
say long successful careers in the NFL. Uh, Well, I
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guess we'll wait and see. But you want to talk
about spunk and it factor. Guess what. The New York
Giants have a lot of it right now, and the
Eagles don't.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Like they they had a great game.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You just said, the Eagles aren't gonna make the playoffs
unless they.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't believe, don't. I don't believe with all. I
don't believe in him long term.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't believe he's going to successfully put the Eagles
in the right positions at offense. Yeah, that's a factual statement,
but I also likes as much.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
That's literally the definition of an opinion.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
If he continues to underperform calling the offense and not
putting the team in proper positions, it's not going to
be successful.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And while the Giants like they looked really good.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They did, like they had a great game against the Eagles.
Congratulations to Jackson Dark, congratulations to camps Camp's Kataboo, Like
they played great, But like that's that's kind of something
you can expect from like a young, fiery team that's
going to like underachieve its first year great win.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Is it just something that's gonna be long term success?
We don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
This could be like a six game like stretch or
like they look really good and then the next two
years they're cheeks. Like I don't know that, Like just
because you pass a little bit of the vibes test
doesn't mean it's like a long term thing. Like we
see it with quarterbacks all the time, where they go
on a nice little stretch and then that's it. It's
a stretch they go absolutely nowhere, Like, could Jackson Dart
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be like the long term savior for the Giants? Yeah, sure, maybe,
but I'm not willing to bet that after three games.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's just silly, uh.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Less rebuttal to anything that I said in my three
three points about why the Eagles lost the game three points,
I did not mention Kevin Patula.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, your three points are pretty good. The defense to me,
when I really sat back and looked at it, I
think what we all forgot going into Thursday night was,
you know, three days off, the defense had just played
seventy four snaps against Denver and seventy two the week
before against Tampa, and then you lose Jalen Carter going
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into the game, and then you know Quinnon Mitchell during
the game, and I think the defense was really in
a bind by the second half of that game. Yes, yeah,
and they didn't have any legs and even Zach Bond
looked like he was kind of running the mud out there,
and you know he's trying, I mean, he's not youah.
So yeah, it was a bad game for the defense.
(17:43):
But I think some rest will get the defense, assuming
that Carter and Mitchell aren't seriously injured although they lost
se Tereus Smith for good today. That's something we're gonna
have to get into at some point here, because that's
right now, that's really a problem for them at this point.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But yeah, let's get into it. Do you have any
insight on that list, because it's kind of a bombshell.
He was playing kind of well, and he was excited
to sign with the Eagles, even though on the training camp,
and then he just you.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Know, I thought it was a great signing. I had
been waiting for them to do something like that, and
they did it, and I thought, Okay, now things are
pretty good, and his first couple of games were outstanding.
I thought he'd dipped down after that. He really didn't
play a whole lot Thursday night at the Giants, and
that caught my attention a little that Patrick Johnson got
more snaps than Zadarius Smith did. And you know, Patrick
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Johnson is practice squad level guy. Yeah, so you know that.
I did notice that. But as far as retiring, you know,
I hear that it was just personal reasons. The thing.
The one thing that bothers me is I kind of
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thought maybe he picked the Eagles because he wanted to
win a super Bowl or East to get to a
super Bowl. He's never done that. In all those years
with Baltimore and Green Bay and Minnesota and Cleveland and Detroit,
he's never been in the super Bowl. I don't think
he's ever really been on teams that have done a
lot in the playoffs. But so he's retiring. So does
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he think now that, yeah, you know what, it's not
gonna happen here. That would bother me if that were
the case. You know, I haven't heard that, But I
just wonder if you really think, after eleven years in
the league that you've got a great chance to go
to the super Bowl, do you retire? You know, I
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don't know. I don't. It's a bad thing for the Eagles,
I can tell you that, because even if he wasn't
playing great these last few games, they need. He's a
big body and he's better than a lot of what
they have, you know, Frankly, And now you're in a situation,
I know Howie Roseman hates this. You're in a situation
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where you have to go into the market with a
gun to your head, you know, and everybody knows that
you unless you're gonna really try to limp through this
somehow without an edge rush. Uh, you've got to get
somebody in here, somebody good, you know. I think it's
a huge, huge development, frankly, for the for the team.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh, let's get some comments the Mystic Mythics. They were
being dominated physically. There was a chance they win if
we punched it in absolutely yeah yeah. Uh poor tackling.
Terrible effort by our defense on Thursday. Uh, they did
miss tackles, which this team hasn't done. I mean, I'm
not ready to dull them as like giving up or
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not putting effort into it. I'm just not. I'm just
not there with anything about this team effort. I think
the effort is there. I think there's just there's just
a little off right now, and I think it's fixable,
as I am preaching, as I've been preaching patients. Over
the first twenty one minutes of the show. Uh, even
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Jalen looks scared. Instead of fighting for a first, he
just slides. I mean, I didn't think Jalen Hurst looks
scared in that football.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
He scared, But I do hate that thing that he does,
and he stopped doing it for a while, but now
he's doing it again. That sit down bit when he
sees that he's not going anywhere. You know, I don't
think you're going to get killed if you dive forward?
Uh it just to mess what's that? That's right? Yeah,
(21:44):
but I don't like that. I think that's a bad
body language, bad juju kind of thing, especially when you
do it a bunch, and when he does it, he
tends to do it a bunch, like over and over again.
It's not my favorite move.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Dyalen never really has good body language though. Yeah, yeah,
he really doesn't. That's his that's his thing. Like I
don't like. I still don't know how he missed that
ninety yard touchdown pass Devonte.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Spin just didn't put enough air under it, you know. Yeah,
that was bad.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
That's another play. I mean, well, first off, it needed
to be a ninety yard touchdown because AJ Dillon and
Tank Bigsby can't catch kickoffs, right that you should.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
We also shouldn't be having like a A. J. Dillon is
not someone who should be back there.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You have to He traded Tanks Tank Bigsby, so Bigsby.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Bigsby makes all the sense in the world, like you
trade it for him specifically to do these things. But
if he can't do them, you already have two guys
on your practice squad who know how to do it.
What the hell is Brittin Covey and Gibson even doing
on the practice.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Squad like there to know how to do? Why you
got to catch the ball?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
They're good at it though, like catch.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
It and catching the ball. I could catch a kickoff
with these rules.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
But why do I have guys who are good returners
and solid returners who are.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Just sitting on my practice squad?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Like if you don't trust Tank Bigsby out there on kickoff,
why don't you throw Covey out there.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Who you know can do it?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, you brought and Gibson to do it, like he's
he's been here for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Like what's the point?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The Lego special teams have gotten a lot of mileage
out of those block kicks. But outside of that and
the fact that Jake Elliott is back on the beam,
outside of that, they're not really very good. They don't return,
they don't tackle well on returns all the time. You know,
they always they seem to have a bad return once
every game or two, Uh bad return against I mean, yeah,
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it's it's Uh, there's a lot going on, you know,
and I think overall, this is what you get after
the Super Bowl. You know, the Eagles have never had
a great season after the Super Bowl, and it's really rare.
I mean even I looked this up the other day.
The Chiefs, you know, the first team in twenty years
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to win back to back, blah blah blah. That second year,
they weren't nearly as good as dominant a team as
they had been the first year, they were eleven and six.
They lost a game at Denver with Russell Wilson quarterbacking,
in which they scored nine points. You know, Ma Holmes
threw a couple of picks. It was you know, they
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they had and the Rams. Remember the Rams won the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Oh they were five disaster. Yeah, that was when Dick
for Meal retired in that idiot Mike Martz.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, no, I'm talking about their most recent super Bowl, just.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
But it happened.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It happened back then too.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It happened back then too. I mean there's a reason why.
You know, this is pretty common that the Patriots, for
all those Super Bowls they won, they only won back
to back once. That was the year they beat the Eagles.
That was their back to back in two thousand and four,
two thousand and three. Two thousand and four was their
only back to back. It's just hard, you know, guys
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are beat up, guys are tired. Ma A Lota looks
like he's you know, running underwater, you know, when he's
trying to people are going around him like he's not
not quick anymore. I think he probably is. But I
also think that twenty one games last year. You know,
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I don't know what. I think they'll bounce back and
I think they'll be okay, but they've got a lot
of this edge rush thing and the corner thing opposite
Mitchell is really these are weaknesses they didn't have last year.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
The Matt Berg I think they need to get back
to what got hurt the dance, get him running on
the move more. The Dallas game ran all over the
place without hesitation and then throw a bomb of dots.
And the problem is that's the only thing this offense
can do.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right now, right And the other thing they need to
do is they want to get their running game. Yep,
it's so weird. The first half Thursday night, they ran,
they didn't run a lot, but they ran effectively, you know,
and then the second half they couldn't run it at all,
and it was like everybody just was gassed. Like we
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were saying, it's I don't know, you.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Know, it's not helping them.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Last they're starting position to start the game, like where
you're getting the ball, like every five, ten, the fifteen,
like this is not.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
A good start to football. Like you'll see them.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Hit three first downs sometimes on drives and they're at
their own forty.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, right, if I would take that most of the
time they're starting at the ten or fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Well, I mean after the three first downs, they're at
the forty, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
But yeah, yeah, And Jalen was sharp to start the
game in the second in the first half, I.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Think that's the thing. He had a perfect first half
and then a terrible second half.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And I don't know what that's about. But every all
the past catcher catchers were targeted and production production wise
were there. You just mentioned Saquan He rushed I think
three times right off the bat in the first on
the first drive, right up the middle. Nothing fancy, no
guard pulling, no misdirection, no nothing. And he had a
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very very high average in the first half and then
you fall behind, and I think game script kind of
hurt the running the the running game in the second
half because you got down and then Hurst through the
pick and then you know you're not going to run it.
Then aj Dillon fumbled as well, but the game was
already over at that point. Uh mistic. I really don't
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want to put Coop back there again. But we didn't.
We go out and bring in Covey again. It can't
be any worse. Yeah, if Tank Bigsby is active on
Sunday afternoon, that's where my patience level will will be into.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well that's a I agree with you, but that's gonna
be tricky because didn't how he give up two draft picks?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Well, I mean, look how he's made a good living
over the past couple of years fleecing teams on trades. Yeah, right,
so the Jags got him, yeah instead of like remember
when remember when the Arizona Carters picked Josh Rosen I
think tenth overall and then they realized that he was
a stiff and they were wrong, and they picked Kyler
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Murray first overall the next year. It's okay, just don't
double down.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I agree, don't double down the guy. He gives you
nothing in the run game. They're not even putting him
out there. He's here to return kicks. I assume that's
why they traded for him, because they seem to have
no interest in putting him in the football game as
a runner. And he can't catch kickoffs. I don't know
if he he's flustered by the rules or that it's
different now that the guys line up a little different
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this year. I don't know what it is, but these
guys dropping these kickoffs, it's certainly not a good start
for an offense that we've been talking about for six
weeks that hasn't been up the snuff, even though they're talented.
And like Bob says, did you catch Nick Nick's reaction
on the one muff by Tank? I mean I didn't.
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I don't know, yeah, but I mean, it's gotta be frustrating.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He yelled a very bad word, really loud.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Did it start with an F Okay, Well good, because
that's what I that's I yelled the same thing. I mean,
And it's not just like it's every game with these
guys back there, every game, and like I don't really
put it on the coach, Like, I mean, do you
really need to coach the guys like to dude, just
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catch the football and run straight if you catch, if
they don't kick it out of the end zone, and
you field the ball cleanly. Like with how they line
up these days, you're starting at the thirty yard line. No, yeah,
like then you need then you get those three first
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downs you were talking about less, then you're in Elliott
range already. Yes, yes, now now they're getting You just
alluded to it and you're absolutely correct. Now they're getting
three first downs and they're at like the negative side
of the thirty yard line. They still got to get
three more first downs to get in the field goal range.
Like it. Something has to be done about the kick
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returns because I mean Aj Dillon and Tank Basby they
should be working at Walmart. They would not be. They
would not be They would not have been permitted on
the team bus after the football game by Coe trop Riingman,
uh Killy Ringo, who I hate as well. At least
he gives you something covering kicks on special teams.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, he had he had.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He had a bad He had a really bad night.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
He had a bad game because he's a stiff.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I I just it's so early, like maybe he could
be better, like he could play better, but like there's
nobody else out there, Like I feel better throwing hit
him out than whenever a Dori Jackson is gonna give me.
Because that one play in the in the red zone
where he.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Just were, uh a door, just stood there and just
let the guy in like you might as well just
like been a waiter and just like hold the door
open for him, Like that's exactly what that was.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Neither player is that great and neither but.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Grend Duffy said the Eagles are trying to get by
with two fourth corners on the opposite side of of Quinnon,
and that that's really it. I mean, these are two
guys that you don't want out there. Really.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
You noticed, you notice who got picked on when Quinney
on Mitchell left left the game. Now, logic would state
that the new guy off the benches of Dorr Jackson,
that's who the Giants are probably going to pick on
the majority of the game. They did not. They still
picked Ringo.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, well Dory played for the Giants and he played
reasonably well for them, you know, so I think they
had some respect for him. Keighley has all this physical ability,
but I don't think he sees the game very well.
I don't think he I think his speed is all
straight line speed. I don't think he can I don't
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think he's very nimble, and I swear to God he'll
he'll try to commit a penalty on every snap. I
mean sometimes they don't, but I just he can't play
without his hands on the guy, you know, and it's
he's very handsy.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Was he was that way in college?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Like that's just how he plays.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
But there's just there's no other alternative.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Like your options right now are are Ringo, who I
feel the best with right now based on potential and
everything and what he can give you, or a Dory
is like broken behind. That is just I just don't
feel comfortable throwing him out there.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I rather I haven't and I don't want to do
I don't want to do that, like I I rather
I rather have Ringo out there.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Where he needs to be Sidney Brown. It can be.
I don't know, there's a lot of you have more
options at Nickel, yeah, you know, at outside corner, and
if you're just going to get killed out there all day.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
The only other the only other option, less is mac McWilliams,
if you want to throw him out there and see
what you have in him.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
But like the fact that they're not even activating in
the last two games makes you think.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You don't have options, Like those are your three options
right now?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Well, I'm against I would be if a full deck,
a full healthy deck. I'm against Cooper the Gene playing
out side corner because he's so good in the slot.
But you don't have a right now, especially if Q's
out out they have.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Qu'es out, that's a different story.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
But like even if it let the kid Williams play
the slot, Killy Ringo can be I mean kiey Ringo,
he covers Kid. I mean he's got the straight line
speed like Less said, and he's physical so he can
play special teams. That's fine, And sit of Dory Jackson
on the bench and you got Coop Q and Mac
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McWilliams in the slot. Maybe Sidney Brown can play in
the slot. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I just don't think they feel comfortable like moving Coop
out of his natural position, Like.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
No, they don't, but you know you and normally I
would agree with that. Fellas normally I would agree with that,
but I.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Don't want to play against anybody on one on one side, and.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
That's a that's a massively bad match up.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
But you have to either hope that jer Corn Bennett
is going to be your guy moving forward in the
second half of the season, or you go out there
and you trade for a veteran, a believable veteran.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Can we stop with this? With that, I mean, stop
of this Denzel Ward nonsense. That's not happening.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
But we're asking a lot of the trade deadline here.
It's it's really hard to find good value at the
trade deadline, and you've already you've got to get an
edge rusher. So how many how much are you gonna're
gonna trade away your whole draft next year to try
to get a couple of guys in here? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I mean, I got you got a lot of.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Tough decision, it really is, And then what happens between
now and November fourth is probably gonna have a lot
to do with that decision. I mean, I'm not gonna
if they're trying to breathe life into a dying carcass
in November, then don't make the trades and just move
right along with whatever you need to do to get
some good young talent in here, you know, in the draft.
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But I don't anticipate that will be the case.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I mean, you can't trade your first or second round pick.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
No, I'm not doing that under no circumstances.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
If the bottom does fall out like twenty twenty three,
like they're gonna be good picks. Yeah, So you can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Like, the only way I would need to get a
guy that I feel so comfortable with, like like a
young stud moving forward. Like if I could go get
Trayvon Walker, I might trade some high picks to go
get him, Like now, if I could get a Denzel Ward,
like I feel comfortable with that. But like, I'm not
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trading multiple first for Trayvon Walker or for Trey Hendrickson,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh God, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Like I'm seeing people talk about that, Oh you know,
you gotta trade major picks for him.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I'm like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Like if I could go and get like David Joku
had like a reasonable deal, I would do that to MH.
I would feel really comfortable having him in there. You know,
whatever you can do to bolster up the pass rush.
I'm all for it, but I'm not like emptying all
the clips, like that's just not happening. And I also
don't want to, like unless I can go and get
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a corner that I feel better than the one I have,
I'm not going out to get one. Like just throwing
out and getting a veteran who might be like slightly
better doesn't really do me anything.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Denzel Ward who says no.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I do I do?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, I mean the one thing you can't do it
say about the only thing, Like I'm sick of hearing
about A. J.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Brown brought this up because you can't do it. You
literally can't do it.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
But this is not real life, this is a podcast.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
The salary can prohibits you from doing it. I mean
you could never. I don't know how you get back
and clients with the cap this season, and you'd have
a long term obligation of like eighty million dollars hanging
over your head. It would be a disastrous move to
trade AJ Brown this season now after June first next year,
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which is what you hear a lot, you know, when
people actually when you tell them bullshit, it's not going
to happen. Then you start hearing about you know what
the number is after June first next year. But we're
a long way from after June first.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Let's let's just play make believe. Are you sick of
talking about aj Brown?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Like I am?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Know?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
But how much of it is really his fault? I
mean really, I mean seriously.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
They're having a run bad routes. That's not his.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Peas if it were a feasible trade with the money,
would you do it?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
No? No, No, I wouldn't. I think he's a great player,
and I think they just need to do a better
job of using him. Yes, And I think a lot
of the somebody said this to me on social media.
I feel like a lot of this is PA trying
to make people, trying to make t o happen, and
it's he's not.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
He's not too until he starts doing sit ups in
the driveway reading niche.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
That business Thursday night, That business Thursday night, they just
lost a game. They looked horrible. And he gets asked
about this meeting several days earlier that he had with
with Berkley and Hurts. Well, obviously the meeting didn't accomplish
much of anything, so he smiles and says, I don't
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know what you're talking about. I don't know about any meeting.
And the headlines are.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Meeting like he had six for eighty on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, he was fine. I don't think he was. He
was upset about losing. I don't think he was, you know,
but he People just don't know how to take him
a lot of the time, I think, and and people
want to see controversy. They want to see, you know,
something's really wrong here and all that stuff. I don't know.
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I'm not there. You know, maybe there is something wrong,
but I don't. I honestly don't really see it. I
think they're not doing a very good job of running
an effective offense. I don't think Jalen is is sharp
when he in crucial moments when he needs to be sharp.
Laid in games right now, and uh, you know, if
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they beat the Vikings, I think everything will probably be
all right.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Brings us to next week and the middle. So let's
put a bow on the Giants game.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
It's done.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, let's go around the panel. What is your panic
meter on a scale of one to ten, ten being
this is twenty twenty three and they're just cooked and
one being nothing's wrong at all.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, I'm probably a five.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
First of all, I'm not big on panic because it
doesn't ever solve anything. If you panic, what you know?
What are you gaining from that? Do I think this
is twenty twenty three? I still don't, although I'm a
lot less certain than I was a couple of weeks ago.
I just think there is a lot of talent. Unless
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more people get hurt real bad, I don't think they're
gonna just fall apart. I think they have good leadership.
They've been through twenty twenty three, A lot of these
guys have, and I think they learn some things from that.
But I'm a little concern. I mean, that was a
bad Clearly they didn't I know, we just said we're
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gonna stop talking about the Giants. But the Eagles went
in there thinking, Okay, finally here's a team that isn't
any good. We're so tired, let's just win this and
go home. And the Giants were like, we've been hearing
for a year and a half about this damn say
Quin Barkley thing, and you've been beating us and which
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has been horrible. And we have this meme with our
owner and all this, and we're gonna get We're gonna
win this game. And I don't think the Eagles were
set up for that at all. I think. But I
don't think that the end of the world is at hand.
I really don't. I don't think it should be. There's
no good reason why it should be. So let's see.
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But i'd say five, I'll go with I'll go as
high as five.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I'm at a four, Okay, I mean, last I looked,
the Commanders were getting smoked on Monday Night Football by
the Bears. What's that sixteen ten?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (42:49):
There's losing still, Yes, Okay, Dallas lost to Carolina yesterday,
don't We still don't know what the heck is going
And for as sexy as that win was for the
Giants on Thursday, they're two and four.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah. No, I kept checking that in the final minutes
because the way the announcers were talking, you would think
that a juggernaut had just been unleashed on that football.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Well, we'll see how Jackson Dark progresses.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
I mean, we'll see, could be.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
But I mean they did lose to the Saints in
the game before the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, it was the Saints they lost to the Ants.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
So I mean the division is like a little cloudy
because the Eagles are struggling, but it's really not that it.
P Y. You led the show by telling me that
the Eagles were going to miss the playoffs if they don't,
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So which is it? And then you're a four.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I can feel, but I can feel, but I'm allowed
to feel multiple of emotions. All right, I'm the emotional
roller coaster. All right, this is me? All right?
Speaker 4 (44:00):
You know, Well, it's.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Kind of like his beard. It comes and goes.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It does exactly last my beard, Like my emotions come
and go as they please.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
All Right, Well, I don't love.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
I'm not worried. The East isn't very good. But you're
firing the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yes, all those things.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
Three Yeah, very inconsistent, but okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Just like this passing game.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
So they're going up to Minnesota, the Land of Lakes.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
We're gonna kick Carson Wentz's ass.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
I hope you're right about that. I guess there's a
chance that JJ McCarthy could it's.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Looking like he might not play, and I'm one hundred
percent here for it.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
The last I heard was McCarthy might practice in some
fashion this week, which doesn't sound to me like they
want to throw him out there, you know, Sunday. And
I think Wentz has played at least as well as
McCarthy was playing, you know, So I don't know, but I.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Think the whole vibe, the whole quarterback vibe there in
Minnesota was a polite benching of j. It was like, okay,
like your ankle's sore. Okay, it's like Super Spring. You're
gonna be out a month and you're going to watch
a guy who's been on the guy who's at least
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been around the league run the Kevin O'Connell offense.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Literally, there would be wins can still throw. You leave
him alone back there. You just let him stand there
and throw and give him all day to look over
options and stuff. And the Eagles are perfectly capable of
doing that. J. J.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
He's got to be scared, like because he's feeling what
we felt as phill Off the Eagles fans watching the
Wentz experience where he does, oh my god, it's the
greatest thing I've ever seen to Oh.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
My god, this is the worst thing I've ever seen.
Week after week after week, well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Think Carson's played great for them, but I think he's
made some really good throws here and there. And you know,
he can beat If they're playing like they played against
the the Giants are in the second half against Denver,
he can He can certainly beat them. They just need to.
They got to heat him up. They got to get
the pass rush in there and uh, you know, rattle
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him and.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
He can't move like he used to.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
This isn't Baker Mayfield, this isn't Bone Nicks, this isn't
Jackson dark Like right.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Well, two things that concern me are we talked about
the corner position.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And then we're gonna watch Isaiah Rogers.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah, watch Isaiah Rodgers. And I don't know if you
guys know and know this, but that the Minnesota Vikings
have a pretty good receiver by the name of Justin Jefferson. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I may have heard of him.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
So if Quinean Mitchell hasn't played, uh, watch out for him.
And less as you just articulated, Carson Wentz is an
okay quarterback when he has time, and the Eagles are
certainly capable of giving opposing quarterbacks time. Time is because
the pass rush really the defensive line play outside of
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some thirty minute spurts in some in some football games
hasn't been there. So I mean, are we walking into
are we walking walking to the tombs here in Minnesota?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I hope they're Dalen Carter's okay and that that'll get better. Uh.
Nick made a point of gassing up Jylex Hunt again
today and Fangio did that in his last press. I
think they're trying to get that guy. With Nolan Smith out,
I think they really need Jalx Hunt to step up
and be the guy he was in the playoffs last year.
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And he isn't. I mean to me, he is not
playing well at all in any phase and they say
he is. But I kind of think they're just trying
to make that happen, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
I just think they believe in them, like as they should.
Like he looked really well in the playoffs. Like it's
still year two, Like I it's it's too early to
jump the gone on him, but what there.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Was he needs to be he he is their most
talented past rusher right now.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
I would say Moro Jarmo.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, Yeah, that's another guy that all all through training
camp we heard about how he was gonna bust out and.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
He he he is exactly right now.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Yeah, I mean he's does he really lead the team
in sad yes?
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Would you like to guess who's number two?
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Well, it was it was the guy that just.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, and Jordan Davis was having a pretty nice season.
I don't think I hurd his name once against the Giants.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
But like, I just think everyone was bad. Like I think,
I don't think there was a great performance.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
There really wasn't know. Maybe maybe Jene played. Gene had
to make a million tackles because guys were dropping into
the secondary, and but other than that, I didn't think
Bond was great. I didn't think Campbell was great. It
was just not a very good game. It was a
very dull edged game. I thought Macouba had a horrible miss.
(49:23):
Uh miss. He didn't cover the guy he was supposed
to cover.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Is he's still all pro?
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Maybe one day, but not right now.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, he's a rookie. You know, he looked like a rookie,
and you know that's that's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
And Campbell, I mean, he's been really good, but yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That was just his his one bad game so far,
which is I'm curious to see if they might throw
him in the edge.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
A little bit, not a lot, And.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I think that's something else they really don't want to do,
along with moving de Gene.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
I don't think so, But like I just think that
maybe you might need a little you might be desperate
for pass rush, and it's possible you throw him out there,
and you throw Dean out there.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
One thing I'm not doing, I'm not getting c J.
Gardner Johnson. It's dead.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
He's on somebody's practice squad.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, he's on the Ravens practice. Like it's just not happening.
Like he's burned that bridge to death.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
It's just not happening.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Can we just think if you have a bad if
you have the possibility of things going bad, he's the
last guy in the world.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
It's a powder keg.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Nick talked today everything he had he kept
over and over again like a mantra that he's looking
for solutions, not looking to lay blame, which to me
is trying to keep the locker room from point.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
That everyone arguing in the locker room it's not good.
So I did not hear that. I did not hear
Nick's press or what did he talk today.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Three times in four questions he worked in that he's
looking for solutions, not to cast blames.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, I usually I usually listen to it, but I
work today instead of being so.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
I don't think that means that guys are fighting in
the locker room. I just think like after a loss
like that, everyone is looking to put blame on someone
and rather than like going around and being like, well,
it was Jalen's fault, it's AJ's fault, it's Zack Bond's fault.
Like he's trying to find solutions to what wasn't to
(51:34):
be a discussion.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
This is why they have film sessions.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
The thing I get tired about, tired of though, with
Nick is there's a way to answer questions where you
at least acknowledge. You can say something like, well, moving forward,
our offensive line has to be a lot more consistent
and a lot more physical. And you're not singling anyone
out or telling anybody anything that's we can't see ourselves.
(52:01):
But at least you're acknowledging reality. And he won't even
do stuff like that. I mean, it's like, oh, we're
going to keep all that didn't helps?
Speaker 4 (52:09):
You know? Nick strikes me as the perfect coach to
have when things are going really good.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, but if.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Things are going not good, he's not. He's not the
greatest to have acted.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I mean, isn't that untrue considering things were going pretty
bad to start the season last year and he was
able to write the ship, Like, I have.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
Every confidence he's going to write the ship this this year.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
I just don't think he's great in press conferences, Like
like he he doesn't talk.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
He doesn't talk like a normal head coach would. He is.
He's a team guy, like he is a he's a
coach's kid.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Like that's the way he talks, like, you know, everything's
he wants to take the blame on himself. He doesn't
really want to throw anyone under the boss.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
You know. That's just to acknowledge your problems without throwing
people under.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
The Yeah, I just don't think he's.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Just talk about our problems and that's.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I just he's great at illustrating guy at times. And
nothing is more true than like his first press conference,
like he put his foot in his mouth and that's
kind of what he does from time to time. He's
not as eloquent as he should be at times in
press conferences.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
But he's also not Andy Ree where it's like old guards,
we're gonna play better.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
Well Andy, Andy would do that on the podium, and
I think he got he got his points across to
the players. Yeah, So he took the blame in public
and looked like it was a buffoon sometimes at his
press conferences, but behind closed doors, I mean, he's still
(53:48):
in the league, winning game soever he's doing clearly, clearly
where and he still talks. He still talks the same
and at the Kansas City press conferences as he did
at the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
But it hits different now after he won, though.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Everything hits different once you start winning by all the silly,
stupid things that he's done over the years, Like once
you start winning multiple super Bowls, they're like, oh classic.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah you're right. Yeah, everything becomes like a quirk rather
than a flaw. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Uh. Closing thoughts, p Y.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
We're gonna write the ship. I'm so proud Rob. I
want to actually say this, I'm very proud of you
this week. Last week, you're well, well high strong about
what was gonna happen with this.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Last week because they should have won and he did.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
I was expecting a lot of doom and gloom from you,
and I'm very proud of you. You were the positive
force this week. I was not expecting that.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
When my patience goes, it's gonna go though.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
What I said, I'm proud of you in this moment,
this moment alone, positive Rob. I could work with positive Rob.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
Okay less closing thought.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, I want to see the injury report this week.
We're aways from that still, but I don't like, I
want to see Jalen Dalen Carter out there, and I
want to see Landon Dickerson better, and I want to
you know, Quinnyon Mitchell. Dear lord, you just don't want
to go out there without these guys against anybody, you know,
(55:23):
And if they do, it's gonna be hard, it really is.
We can talk about oh, Carson Wentz and all that stuff,
but if the Eagles are still missing half of their
good players, they're not They're not gonna go up there
and have a lot of fun. So I really I
think they can bounce back.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
I think that that would be Wednesday, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Wednesday will be the first injury report, and I you know,
I keep those fingers crossed here because they really need
to get some guys.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
I'll be I'm just gonna tell you right now, if
Carson Wentz shreds the Eagles, I don't care who's out there,
who's in Jared, who's playing. If Carson Wentz shreds the Eagles,
uh my page, I will not be so tolerant next
next Monday night there. Yeah, And honestly, if a bunch
of guys are injured, we just talked about it like
Carson's good when he has time. The Eagles don't have
(56:16):
a pass rush. They have one of the best receivers
in the league in Justin Jefferson, and the Eagles don't
have a viable outside corner right now, pending the health
of Quinny on there. So on paper, it's not looking.
But I do think the Eagles I think they write
the ship somehow, some way. I think they write the ship.
I think I think it's I think it's a big
(56:38):
key that this football game is not at home.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, you think that's good.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
I think it's very good.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Territory here.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
No, because I'm one of them that's down there, not
every game, but most of the games. And after a
lot like that, after a loss like that, especially to
New York where they're not very good and haven't been
very good, and you kind of got your tail kicked
the first play that the fans don't approve of, the
(57:14):
Birds are gonna come out question and Nick and Jalen
have proven time and time again in the past that
they don't respond well to that. So I think that
it's a big advantage for this struggling offense to be
on the road this week.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
That's a that's a decent thought. Yeah, although I could
do without them, you know, without Tyler Steen having to
turn around every snap.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's Minnesota, though they're they're Midwest.
Yoko's out there like they're not. They're not. They're tough.
They're tough when they come in and put the Rocky
Rocky Vikings jersey on the Rocky statue and then get
hitting them out. But they're they're they're harmless. They might
(58:04):
be a little loud, but you can shut them up
quick if you start it up. And then, I mean,
if you are able to get a pass rush on Carson,
he's proven time and time again that he will panic
and make awful, awful decision.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Throw it to the other team, yes.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
Or fumble I mean he does. He is the first
quarterback in NFL history. I saw that's played that started
a game for six different teams in six different years.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
I didn't know that insane.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
Maybe I don't have it quite right because I didn't.
I didn't pin it on Twitter. But uh, it's something
like that. And yeah, they're gonna have to They're gonna
have to get it done this weekend, through hell or
high water. I think they will. And then they'll be
five and two. They'll be in first place by at
(58:58):
least two games by my math, right, and.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
They'll have a chance to get to get their reap
their revenge upon the Giants. Yes.
Speaker 4 (59:11):
Uh and a few Sundays at Lincoln Financial Field. Yes,
fingers crossed, godspeed that we are talking about a win
this time next Monday for Les Bowen, Peter Young. I'm
Rob Brinkman. This was Eagles talk. Peace out everybody, Yes,
(59:32):
take care,
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