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Speaker 1 (00:32):
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been watching the shows at the beginning of the year,
we always try to have some guests to help us

(02:19):
with I guess that goes with the conversation you know
around the league, and so this is gonna be the
first time I have this guest on. Me and him
conversate all the time on Twitter and we have great conversations.
He works with the packers and before anything else, I'll
let him do his own intros. But if my friend

(02:40):
Jacob Wesendorf, Jacob, thank you again for coming on with
me and being on the show. So plug yourself a
little bit, te us a little about yourself, and the
work you do.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, so Jacob, you can follow me on the socials
at while socials that pretty much means just Twitter. I
never made the jump.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
To Blue Sky.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm old and don't want to learn how to use
a new app basically, even though I know it's basically
the same thing I am on there, but I don't
use it. Packers on SI so si dot com slash
NFL slash Packers. Bill Huber is the editor, chief, extraordinary, president,
whatever you want to call him for me over there,
and then I get to do five six stories or

(03:21):
so a week, it depends, so I'll cover the games.
So I was in Green Bay for Sunday's game against Detroit.
Got to do a few stories off that. After every game,
I'll do.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Like some stock stuff, some basic can stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I grade how each unit plays during the games, and
then if I'm at the game, I grab some stuff
from the locker room or from the podium or whatever
and try and spend that and stuff. So, like today,
I had a story come out about Rashan Gary.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Gary. It was the first time in his career.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
On Saturday night before the game, he was named a
season long captain and he hasn't been a captain since
he was in high school, and I haven't even confirmed
that he was captain in the high school, so it
may be his first captain he ever, So that was
kind of cool to learn about that. What that meant
to him. Being a captain of a team like the
Packers obviously is pretty prestigious. There aren't a lot of
guys that have been able to do that in a

(04:09):
team of such a rich history. And then Thursday, I
have a story coming out about Chris Gizzy and this
is a get for those that don't know that name.
I don't blame you, but back in two thousand and one,
after the nine to eleven attacks, they NFL put games
on hold for a week. The Packers were the first
nationally televised game and they played against the then Washington Redskins,

(04:33):
and Gizzy was in the Air Force at the time.
He ran out of He ran out of the tunnel
with the American flag sprinted in the middle of the field.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
So I got to talk to him about what that
was like.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Since they're playing Washington, it's on the anniversary of nine
to eleven, all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
But that's kind of what I do.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
And then every Tuesday, I'm on the Packaday podcast, which
is known by Andy Herman as the Podfather, so to speak,
and I do that with Jacob Morley, and then during
the spring summer, I do the Green Bay Draft Guide,
which is even more paramount for people to get this
year if you are a Packers fan, because as we
know now, they don't have a first round pick until
twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Because there's some guy named Micah Parsons that's playing.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
For the team. Now worth it, I'd.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Say, yeah, yeah, through one game.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I mean, he's a guy who I've seen a lot
of players play in person.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
And the take I was sitting.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
On because I didn't want to overreact, but I guess
that's kind of what we do in week one is MICHAEH.
Parsons is the most physically gifted player I've seen play
in person this side of Julius Peppers in his prime.
So he is a very impressive athlete, very impressive person,
and a couple times I've gotten to talk to him,
excited to see the impact that he can bring in
hopefully a Lombardi.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Trophy at the end of when it's all said and done.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. And I'm glad that you
get to you got to watch him for that first game,
and you know we'll get we'll definitely get into that,
especially with our pole question, which is the Green Bay
Packers should be the favorites to win the NFC North
after the statement win against the Detroit Lions. Agree or disagree,
I'm gonna let you answer this first, obviously, but I

(06:04):
wanted to also preface this by saying on our predictions
show that we had last week, my co host he
picked the Lines to win out of respect, you know,
but I did go on on a limp. I did
pick the Packers to win that division. I just they
to me seem like a team for I guess, like
you can say, like two three years, we were on

(06:26):
the cusp of having so many like good players, but
they were missing one or two marquee players on either
side of the ball. And I think with Micah coming
in and then Matthew Golden, who I am very high
on coming in for the offense potentially having the upside
of being the wide receiver one, it just makes them

(06:47):
feel like they are they're taking the next step. But
with you being close to the team and working in
that media what what is your take? Do you think
this net with that win, should they be looked at
seriously as NFC North's favorites.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So before the season, before the Parsons trade, I was
toying with is Green Bay going to miss the playoffs?
Are they gonna sneak in as a seven seed like
they did a year ago? And realistically not really contend
that game against Philly. I know it was close for
a minute, but it was never really that close in
my estimation. I never felt like the Packers were a
threat to beat the Eagles at the Link last January. So,

(07:26):
you know, coming into this season, there were just too
many And last year I drank all.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
The kool aid.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You know, they had that season where they blew Dallas
out of the water. They took the forty nine Ers
to the brink of elimination. I was like, Jordan Love's
gonna win the MVP, The Packers are going to win
the Super Bowl. Like I just felt like that team
was ready to take off, and then they really didn't.
And a lot of those same questions that came out
of last year were kind of answered but also not really.
You know, they added Golden like you mentioned, and he's

(07:51):
looked to part since day one.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
But how good is Jordan Love?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
You know, I think that was a fair question to
ask coming into the year as far as a championship
level quarterback, because he had good quest quarterback. Certainly, can
he play well enough in the playoffs? You know, as
of right now, he's played really good in one game
and not real great in the other two. So that
was I think a question worth asking. But after the
trade for Parsons, like I mentioned to you pre show,
it was just a shot in the arm to the

(08:15):
entire organization, and a seismic move like that is just
that the players aren't blind to that either.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
They know the Packers. One moves like that across.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
The NFL don't happen often in general, and they really
don't happen that often in Green Bay. So I think
Sunday's game was like the culmination of like kind of
like the saying of the Packers saying like we're here and.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
We're ready to roll.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Because last year they stunk against the league's best teams.
They were zero and six against Detroit, Minnesota and Philadelphia
respectively if you include the playoffs, So they didn't beat
any marquee teams last year. Now, is Detroit going to
be a marquee team. Maybe it'll turn out.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
That they're not. I still like the Lions roster.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I still think eventually Campbell will get those guys in
the line moving the direction that they need to go.
And there's still a lot of talent, especially on the
offensive side of the.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Ball, that they have.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
But I think, yeah, Green Bay, after watching you know,
Week one, Chicago struggled, Caleb Williams looks a lot like
rookie Caleb Williams. Maybe that'll change, but as of right now,
he looks like rookie Caleb Williams. J. J. McCarthy struggled
before turning on the Jets in the fourth quarter. There
in Minnesota's defense, I think will be pretty good, but
best all around team I think before the year. Anyways,

(09:23):
Jordan loves the best quarterback in the division. That usually
puts you ahead of the curve in general. As you know,
Philly said the best quarterback in the NFC East for
it feels like about twenty years between hurts and going
back to the McNabb days, So you guys know that
deal pretty well.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, but I think that you.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Know Sunday's game that was a defensive domination by the Packers.
They gave up six points while the game was in
any question at all, and it took a great one
handed snag from Isaac to Slaw in the back of
the end zone for the Lions to even score a touchdown.
And that is a team in Green Bay that Micah
Parsons only played thirty snaps. You know, he didn't have
a full workload Sunday's game. And he makes guys like

(10:01):
Rashaun Gary and Lucas van Ness and all these other
players better. So yeah, I definitely think green Bay is
the favorite. Obviously, injuries and that sort of stuff can
change everything. But after one week, I don't know how
unless you want to confirm a prior I guess, but
I don't know how you watch those other three teams
play and say, yeah, you know what, as of now,
from what we've seen, there's a team better than green

(10:22):
Bay right now?

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, I agree, and don't mind me. I'm changing the
camera angles a little bit, trying to experiment it with
some layouts here on stream Yard. But the wider the better, Yeah,
the wider the better. Yeah. I tried to see how
with that spare look like, I'm like, no, let's let's
go back and wide. So I do agree with a
lot of things you said. And I think a lot
of people, especially with fans outside of the Packers, you know,

(10:46):
the Packers bubble, I think they don't realize from top
to bottom how balanced the roster is because a lot
of the names on the Packers they're not household names
I alluded to earlier. So when I was rewatching that
game and just taking closer look at it, I popped
on a little bit of the film to see some
of Jordan Love's you know of throws, and he was

(11:09):
he was good.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I say, what was your take? Because I thought he
was really good to start hit alone in the middle
and then finished.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Really really well.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
He really too, like awful the two turn over plays,
I think we're pretty rough, But otherwise I thought it
was really good.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, I would think what was that to the was
it the end of the third quarter or.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
The or the end of the thirty To Brian Branch
that was called back, which is really a great play
by Branch.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
He's awesome.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
But the one the play before that, he threw one
and it hit Alex Angeloni right in the hand.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
And the hand changing pick. So I thought he was
really good too, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
An interesting thing that I've I've listened to with Jordan
Love is that he gets the reputation of being your
classic type of gunslinger, right, and you know with the Packers,
you guys are all about you guys know about the
gun slingers. You had Brett fav and Aaron Rodgers coming
in and then Jordan Love, and the assumption from people
who don't really a close close attention is that Jordan

(12:03):
Love is that type. I think that a point that
was made by one of the in one of the
podcasts that I listened to is that he's not as
inconsistent as people think. It's just that the misses are
really bad. So they show up on like the low
lights or highlights, whatever you want to call them, so
they're really bad to people see them, like, oh, like

(12:24):
this is this is like an up and down type
of guy. But if you look from a consistent down
and down basis, it's not that there's a lot of it,
like low lights or bad places, that the ones that
do pop up are bad and they're dumb.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So I think with Jordan Love, and this was something
that I had said going into the last season, you know,
I felt like with him and C. J. Stroud, there
were two quarterbacks who finished so strong in the year
before and were being propped up very very much by
media as hey, they're on that verge of being considered

(12:59):
as the top tier quarterbacks. And I wanted to pump
the brakes because I was said, Okay, like, I like
Stroud and I like Love a lot, but they need
to see it over the I need to see it
over the course of the season. Now, last year, as
we all know, he gets injured on the like the
second to last play against the Eagles in Week one.
I really feel like that affected in the whole year.
It doesn't excuse some of the stuff that we haven't seen,

(13:21):
but I think one of the things that I think
comingto mind when it comes to Jordan Love and why
that injury might have really affected him more than we
want to let on, is that I want to see
Jordan Love scramble more and use his legs more, because
he's not like a statue. I mean, he's no Lamar Jackson,
but he's not a statue. I think that we see quarterbacks,

(13:43):
even though they're not the greatest athletes. As long as
you're good enough you can you still should be able
to make plays with legs. I didn't see that enough
from Jordan Love last year, and so I want to
see that moving forward. But over on Week one, I
do feel like outside of the couple of players that
were turnover worthy, we saw what really makes him very

(14:05):
like like traits wise, So would tantalize it because he
has that big arm and that you know has good
arm talent and he will pull the trigger. And I
like what he's being able to show this one weekend.
So I'm hopeful. I think Jordan Love will It might
not have been last year, but I think this season,

(14:27):
with the weapons he has and the balance on the
teams the team has, we'll be able to make that
the next step forward that maybe we didn't see last
year but finally get to see this season. So I
do like Jordan Love quite a bit and think he'll
be played well this season.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and he kind of set the tone in Sunday's
game is he talked before the first game to the
to the reporters and was like his thought in his
mind was Green Bay wins the toss. They defer three
and out, Parsons gets the first sack and then just
kind of sends Lambeau into a frenzy. And it didn't
work that way because the Lions won the toss, so
Jordan Love got the chance to set the tone. They

(15:05):
converted three third downs on their first drive. Three different
receivers catch the ball on those Wis catches one golden
another and then the touchdown passed to Tucker Craft. And
then conversely later in the game one it's seven to
nothing and the Lions don't even have their sea legs
underneath them. And the Packers were terrible in the first
half last year against Detroit, Minnesota and Philadelphia specifically, I

(15:25):
think I had the numbers. I think in the first
half they were outscored like thirty four to thirteen or
something like that. Against It was awful, and so to
get off to a good start against those teams was paramount,
especially on Sunday. And then Detroit goes down the field.
They have a sixteen play drive and kick a field
goal to make the score ten to three, and the
Packers need a bit of an answer drive because of
three and out and a punt. Now you put your

(15:47):
defense back out on the field. They could be ten
to ten and the Lions get that extra possession because
they deferred. So you could be looking at this game
started so perfectly and we're still losing. You know, you
kind of figure out how that's gonna work. But then
two play his deep ball to Romeo Dobbs and a
you know, kind of a slot fade to Jayden Reid
on a nice pick play by Dante dan Wicks, and

(16:08):
it's a touchdown two plays in the game. I mean
at that point, we didn't know it at the time,
but at the game at that point it was probably
over with the way Green Bay's defense ended up playing
on Sunday, but I thought, you know, he set the
tone really well. He is, I think a lot more
comfortable in his skin in this role. It was different
his first season as a starter. He was Aaron's replacement,

(16:29):
and now in his second season he's still kind of
battle on some of that Aaron Rodgers's replacement stuff and
also like, hey, you need to be a league MVP
right now kind of stuff. This year, you could tell
he's a little more relaxed. He got married in the summer.
I don't know how much that matters, but maybe he
relaxes him a little bit, but he's done.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
He's done really well on that front.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think he's he was elected a team captain, which
it wasn't a quarterbacks a captain, like coach Eric Taylor
says to Matt Sarason, where they just make him a
de facto captain. Jordan Loves a legitimate leader in that
locker room. He has a calming presence about him and.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Something about him.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's very similar to the way Jalen Hurts is in Philadelphia,
to be honest, not he doesn't have the bangers of
quotes that Hurts throws out there. But Jordan Love is
even keeled. He's kind of the same guy. If you
just watch him throughout the course of a game, you
never know his Green Bay up twenty is Green Bay
down twenty. Sometimes that becomes a criticism because it's like,
why aren't you more raw raw, like Tom Brady cussing

(17:26):
guys out and stuff like that. But you know, one
of the criticisms of his predecessor was you could look
on Aaron Rodgers's face and very quickly know how this
game was going, and the rest of the team kind
of follows suit that way. So Love has been really
good on that front. He's been much but through one
game at least, especially this year, he helps up the
tone there for Green Bay, and I think that he's

(17:47):
poised to have a really good season. I thought he
was poised to do that last year. Like you mentioned
that injury. He would never admit it, to his credit,
but everyone else around him was like, yeah, this guy
was playing on one leg for most of the year.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
It is difficult.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
That doesn't give him a complete pass for everything. There
are some passes every game that kind of make you go,
excuse you, like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, but I mean, to Jordan Love's credit, he's not
going to be scared off by stuff like that, you know.
I asked him last year after they played the Texans,
he threw two interceptions, and then after he threw the
first interception, he threw a touchdown pass to Tucker Craft
which is on a highlight roil and it's just a
missile over the middle of the field and it goes

(18:27):
right over Kaylen Bullock's fingertip, And I was just like,
you know, do you need to kind of chill on that?
You know, you're throwing a lot of at the time,
I think he led the league in interceptions, and he
just kind of looked at me and said, no, this
is the NFL, like there are there are no big
windows like that to throw into, like sometimes you have
to try and fit a ball in there, and that
one was the price of doing business.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
And he scored a touchdown on the play. As a result.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I'd like him to dial that back just a little bit,
because you got to turn the ball over just a
little bit less, especially in the bigger games. But you know,
outside of those two plays, I thought he took good
care of the ball on Sunday. He's going to need
to do that. Here what Thursday night against Washington. Washington's
a team, dan Quinn prize the team on taking the
ball away. They've got some ballhawks there with Mikey Sayers
still and Marshawn Lattimore in their secondary. So curious to

(19:12):
see what what this matchup looks like with Washington. But
I think Green Bay's got a big time opportunity. If
you had told every single fan before the season they're
gonna start one to one in these first two games
against Detroit, they'll be like, you know what, that's better
than zero and two, which was probably on the table
considering how these two teams finished.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
To finish their years last year.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
But if they start two and oh, you start looking
at the schedule and dreaming kind of big. Their next
two games are against Dallas on the road at the
end of September, and the week proud of that, they
play Cleveland on the road, So at Cleveland at Dallas
and home against Cincinnati before their bye week, like you
can feasibly or Cincinnatis after Bible excuse me, but their
first five games, you could feasibly see them.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Starting five and oh. Now, the NFL doesn't work that way.
Injuries change all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
But green Bay has a really good opportunity to get
off to a really good start. And again, Sunday's game
is a big part of that because if you start
on one, it's very easy to get the here we go.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Again, can they beat anybody?

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Good?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Now, this game on Thursday is huge.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
You have to win, which you have to win every game,
but you really have to win because you don't want
to start on too So yeah, the you know, the
prospects for this team as of right now skyhigh.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, I agree, I agree with that. I want to
highlight some players that that because we talk about we
know what Michael Parsons is, we talked about Jerdal Love
a little bit. I want to talk about some players
that you could see maybe stepping up. Let's start with
you this season overall to make to impact or be

(20:38):
contributing factors as to why the Packers are going to
win the NFC North. So it started on the offensive
side of the busons. We're are ready to start by
Jordan Love. I don't know if I've told you before
on Twitter. I am very high on Jayden Reed. I
really like it. Maybe maybe not like as a star
wards receiver one, but I love what he brings as
a dynamic weapon, and I do feel that after Golden,

(21:00):
he is the next best wide receiver on that team.
But what I like about gold you know, Golden's the
addition of Golden is that now everyone I kind of
like slides down and slots into roles that may be
better fitting for what their skill set is. So I'm
high on Jayden Reid. But the one other weapon on
this offense that I had said in our prediction show

(21:22):
that could this year enter into elite category is a
craft I think dark could by the end of the season,
could be looked at as their best overall skill position
player and one a top three, maybe three five tight
ends in the league, you know, definitely top tier. So

(21:43):
what is your what is your viewpoint on these these
skill position players and who do you think you know
because we already mentioned, we already mentioned Golden Who do
you think is going to be the next catalyst to
really making big plays for this team?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, I think you hit it on the head with
Tucker Craft. The Packers on Sunday, they ran a lot
of twelve and twenty one personnel. They want their tight
ends on the field. Luke muskgraves health is a big
part of that. He was in the same draft class
as Tucker draft. But Craft has proven to be the
better player through the three years that they've been in
the league. You know, we're talking already amongst ourselves. You know,
they trade for parsons and you start doing the cap

(22:21):
gymnastics of who they have to keep, and you obviously
start prioritizing who's water or whatever, and Craft is toward
the top of that list, if not at the very
top of that list. For guys they need to keep
moving forward He's easy offense. I think that you can create.
Get him the ball in space. He's a human car crash.
He runs through tackles. You know, is he going to
be a big time seam stretcher like Jimmy Graham and

(22:43):
his prime or somebody like that. No, but again, get
him the ball in the middle of the field. He's
excellent with making yards after the catch. He's a good athlete.
He was voted a captain on this team as well,
so that was a big step for him in the
right direction. His play style I think fits exactly what
Green Bay wants. I think he's a legitimate psychopath, and
I mean that in the most complimentary way possible.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So I think he's won the receiver part.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I think the pecking order is going to be interesting,
just because Green Bay they completed eighteen passes on Sunday
to ten different receivers and the lead receiver was Jaden
Reed with three catches, and he was also the leading
target guy with five targets. They just signed Christian Watson
to a one year contract extension by baseaw like the
fifth year option if he were a first round pick.
Watson will be back sometime in October. It sounds like

(23:29):
maybe a little bit later now that it's not a
contract year for him, they can afford to kind of
wait a little bit on him. But you know the
rest of it, Romeo Dobbs, he's been consistent, kind of
becomes a bit of a forgotten man, and I think
all of that group, he's probably the least in terms
of natural talent, but he was the one who made
the biggest play in the passing game on Sunday as well.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's so consistent. Well, he's just like he's there and
he makes plays.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
So and he's got that symbiotic relationship to some degree
with Jordan Love that that helps him out in that
regard as well. So that's one Matthew Golden, I think,
is one who as the year progresses, you're going to
start seeing more of maybe that targets here that volume.
I think a lot of people were just kind of
hoping that this strong training camp would parlay into like, Okay,

(24:14):
he's going to go for five one hundred and a
touchdown on Sunday. This is not what the Packers do
with their pass catchers in general. It's not what they
do with rookies. If and when he earns that opportunity, though.
Matt Lafour is the same coach that once set into
a microphone that they drew up about eighty percent of
their passing concepts through Devonte Adams, and that was in
twenty twenty, so that's been quite some time. They don't

(24:36):
have anybody like Adams on this team. Adams is the
best receiver I've ever seen play in Green Bay, so
that's a little bit different. But you know, Jayden Reid
is interesting because he's small. He's a slot only receiver,
and if the Packers are going to play a lot
more two tight ends, that means fewer guys on the field.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
And he's injured.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
He's playing with a banged up foot. Jason Wilde reported
it to Jones fracture, which is incredible if that is
the injury and that is what he's playing through, because
that makes no sense that that's the case. I'm curious
to see how that works for him throughout the year.
I'm not one hundred percent sold that the Packers are

(25:14):
in love with him, not to say that they don't
like him or think he's a bad player or whatever,
just that Matthew Golden's smaller, slender, receiver. Ditto for Jaden Reid.
But the way Green Bay wants to play bigger and
run the football as well, you know, you can't do
that with these smaller receivers when you've got some bigger guys.
Wix is a really good blocker, Dobbs the blocker. Their

(25:35):
best blocking receiver is Christian Watson. Savian Williams is the
guy they picked in the third round. He's got some
nastiness to him in the run game as well. So
how do they figure all of that stuff out? Because
this offense still, you know, starts and stops at the beginning,
at least with Josh Jacobs and wanting to set up
that play action passing game.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
And Jacob is one of the leaders on the team
as well.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
So I'm curious to see how it evolves over the season. Personally,
you know, none of these guys, this was kind of
my point I was making with Golden throughout the summer.
None of Green Bay's receivers have proven they are a
bona fide star that needs to be on the field
for you know, eighty ninety percent of snaps like say
Adams did once upon a time. Yeah, guys have proven that,
you know, Dobbs has been in and out of the lineup.

(26:16):
He struggled last year with injuries. He also got suspended
for a game for going a wall just flash didn't
show up for a couple of days, so yeah, you
know that was interesting. Watson is I think the most talented,
but has a you know, he's had, he's injured currently.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
He's had some issues with consistency as well.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Jayden reed for as much flat as Dantavian Wicks gets
about for dropping the ball last year, Reid was right
there with him. Rhythm yep, Yeah, was you know, kind
of the job. So he ended up big play on
Sunday and he didn't. So that's not to say his
career is over anything like that, but I'm curious to
see how, yeah, all this plays out throughout the year,
if especially if the Packers are going to play bigger

(26:54):
you know, if they're going to play a lot more
of those two tight end sets. Yeah, I think what
you'll need to see is who establishes themselves as the
guys getting those reps in you know, twenty one twelve
personnel as their two receivers.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, good stuff. To switch over to the defense
side of the ball, before you know we we wrap
up this segment, is you have talk about sliding into
other roles after the Michael Parsons trade, a lot of
these pass rushers slide into roles. That was just like,
oh man, and we saw how scary that Unich, that

(27:28):
that defensive unit can be against the Lions. And they
took advantage of the Lions, you know, with with their
question marks. Now on the offensive line, especially regarding the interior,
it's like, what, how are the Lions going to hold up? Uh,
you know over the whole season. So you have you

(27:50):
mentioned Rithon, Gary DeVante Wyatt have a really good game.
You know, we know what we know.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Adrian Cooper, Uh, he's the one.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, he's the Yeah, that's gonna be the guy.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
He's the guy.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
So and then like the secondary, a lot of names
that not a lot of people know outside of McKinney
because like the name for a long time was was
Jair and now that he's gone, like people assume, oh,
they don't have a good secondary. But I'm looking at
your you know, at the depth stort. I'm just like,
these guys aren't bad. And especially like Evan Williams, I know,

(28:26):
that you know from the safety position, there's some some
hope with him and exactly like that safety tandem could
be good. But yeah, like this defense give us names
to watch out for. If you're not following the Packers,
what are the names on the defensive side outside of
the obvious Michael Parsons that you know you mentioned Adrian Cooper,

(28:49):
but anyone else on the defensive side you think is
really gonna pop this season?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, Adrian Cooper.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Just to belater that point a little bit further, there
was a play on Sunday that the line run a
simple like out route out of the backfield with Jamiir
Gibbs and he's hooked up one on one with Cooper
and Gibbs is ahead of him, so it's going to
be a completion, but you can kind of see their
set to kind of meet and Cooper makes the tackle,

(29:16):
runs with him stride for stride, and it's just like
that does not happen. Like Jamiir Gibbs turns those plays
into fifteen twenty forty yarders all the time, and the
Packers did a really good job of limiting him on Sunday,
and he was a big reason why.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
So I think Cooper Cooper is.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I thought he was set up to have a huge
year before they signed a partner traded for Parsons, and
now like he's going to take a back seat I
think as a result, which is, you.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Know, probably a good problem to have.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
But he's one. Lucas van nas is another one. Micah
Parsons compared him to Julius Peppers. I don't know if
that's appropriate necessarily, but I think one of my buddies
compared him to could he be Justin Smith on those
old forty nine er defenses under Jim Marbaugh and Fangio
to like the Alden Smith of those guys. I think

(30:04):
Rashan Gary is going to have a big year. With
Parsons across from him now that forms arguably the best
pass rushing duo in all of football. In the secondary,
you mentioned Evan Williams. He had an interception on Sunday.
He had a big training camp last year and kind
of took the starting safety role across from Xavier McKinney,
from Javon Bullard. Then he got injured and kind of

(30:25):
struggled down the stretch. But very smart player, a very
heavy player, kind of knows what he's doing. The Packers
have a nice platoon there with Javon Bullard, a bit
better of a run defender than Williams is, and Williams
is a really good pass defender. So if you get
into one of these games where a team's going to
try and like Dallas for example, in a few weeks,
Dallas gonna want to chuck it up and down the field,
I think that'll be an Evan Williams heavy kind of game.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
The cornerback room is the big question mark Ji Alexander's gone.
Keishawn Nixon is their top corner. The internet hates him.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
I love him. I think he's an emotional leader for
this team.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Is he going to be Do you want to match
up one on one with Jamar Chase with the game
on the line? Probably not? But do you want anybody
matched up with Jamar Chase one on one with the
game on the line?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Also a lot.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
And even him like I'm giving the head yeah, So
you know those are the guys there. Kuai Walker is
the other linebacker in green Bay two. He was having
a really good so last year. Green Bay played San
Francisco and Miami in a four day stretch kind of
like what they're about to do now. Walker was coming
off maybe the worst game of his career against Chicago

(31:29):
seven days prior, and now he set to face Kyle
Shanahan and Mike McDaniel, and what are those guys like
to do? Put those linebackers in a bind? Walker looked
like a player who was confident knowing what he was doing.
He still a miss. He's not a perfect player, obviously,
but I think he was really good on Sunday. I
think the tandem of him and Cooper together gives them
as fast of a linebacker tandem as they've had. I

(31:50):
will not be surprised. I'm trying not to be hyperbolic,
but like, if Edrian Cooper is a first team All
Pro at linebacker, that will not surprise me at all.
So if you want the name, that's like under the radar,
I don't know how under the.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Radar he is.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
You mentioned whyatt too? That was another one he had
a sack on Sunday. This it feels like Green Bay's
defense has all these talented pieces that are starting that
were starting to grow up together and now what's the
I'm not a Marvel guy, but like, what do they
call those things that you put on the Infinity Stones.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, yeah, Parsons was like the final Infinity Stone of
like okay, like Thanos is ready, it's time to roll.
Now they have a star who can make everyone else
kind of fall into those complimentary roles.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, that's a great one. That's and Jeff Athley does
really really good stuff as the DC. So that's why
I that's what I liked. But there's this defense is
from top to bottom. It's balanced that there's not a
lot of like glaring weaknesses and you know, to attack.
In my opinion, like so I think that with Halfley,

(32:53):
he's going to set them up really well. The last
thing I want to do and before you before you go,
I don't know if you know that I've ever told you,
but I am. I'm a Rutgers fan. I went to Rutgers,
so watching I know, I know that's kind of why
a big reason why I'm not huge on college football
because like, sure my team is like my schools, like

(33:14):
you're not gonna do anything. But I've always kept an
eye on Bill Meltin, you know, on this team and
seeing him switch positions. Can you just tell me, like
how impressive has he been going from wide receiver to
corner and then making the team as a corner, Like

(33:35):
I did not think. I thought that was a desperation
move to like, hey, hail Mary to make the roster.
But I thought his days were numbered there. But to
see he made the roster, I'm like, holy crap. So
just just give me like something to cheer about as
a Rutgers fan.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, he made the roster, and he was before he
heard his shoulder on Sunday and didn't return. I don't
think he's a plan on Thursday, but he was the
next man up at corner. So, like Green Bay's top
three guys are Carrington Valentine, Keishaan Nixon, Nate Hobbs didn't play,
so their other corner after that is Javon Bullard, who's
kind of a slot safety. But if Valentine or Nixon

(34:11):
were to go down me to break whatever. Melton is
the team's fourth corner. I will say it is incredibly
impressive that he was able to switch positions like that
and he didn't look drastically out of place. You know,
we've seen it before, where like I remember Camal Martin
switching from inside linebacker to the edge just as like
a like. You mentioned that last ditch effort to make

(34:34):
the roster, and he didn't look like a player, you know,
he looked like a player that was moving from inside
linebacker to the outside is trying to trying to make
last etchether. Well, Malton never looked like that, So I'm
intrigued to see what happens if he ever does have
to play defense. It was a bummer that he got
injured because at minimum, he's one of Green Bay's best
special teamers and that is a big reason why they

(34:55):
made that switch, or wanted to make that switch, because
they wanted to give him an opportunity to make the
fin a roster because of how valuable he is on teams.
But yeah, he's been great. I've enjoyed watching this story.
And you know, the Packers Sam Shields not quite the
same thing because Shields was a receiver in college and
then switched the corner when he got to the pros.
But they have some precedent in Green Bay of having

(35:17):
something like that work out well, so I'm excited for Melton.
Hopefully he's able to come back here in a couple
of weeks when they play Cleveland. But uh, yeah, so far,
so good for for that experiment.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
That's awesome. That's awesome you. I will definitely be keeping
an eye on him still as the season goes, and yeah,
if he plays, I'm going to be like Jacob, Jacob
bo Bow's in there, So yeah, I would out be
keeping on. But hopefully he yields up and injury. He's injury.
It's not that serious. Jacob. Thank you so much for
talking Packers. I mean, I always I like talking the league,

(35:50):
but it's always good to have, you know, someone that
actually works for that specific team to give insight that
I just, you know, obviously won't know. So I do
appreciate you coming on and talking Packers one more time.
I'll give you bug yourself working people, find your work
and all that.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, SI dot com slash NFL slash Packers. I'll be there. Well,
I won't be at the game Thursday night. Unfortunately, I
got two small kids and they have to go to
school the next morning, and it's a it's a big mess.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Don't have kids. They ruin your life.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
No, No, that's not true. So I'll be at most
of the home games. I'll be in I'll be in
Minnesota here later in the year, I'll go to Arizona,
so I walk around a little bit for the guys
and everything like that, and then on socials at Jacob Westendorf,
I'll tweet about a lot about the Packers, sometimes about
my kids. I do sprinkle some Philly Eagles stuff in
there every now and again. I got a soft spot

(36:38):
for them. The Michigan Wolverines I get a rationally upset about.
So that is my college team that I've kind of
dumped some fandom into over the last few years as
I've worked more with the Packers. So it's been a
lot of fun over the last couple of years. It was.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
It was a nice conflict last night watching.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
JJ McCarthy with the Vikings because I don't want him
to do that well because he's playing from Minnesota. But
he's done the back that won my favorite national championships
and he's from like an hour from where I live,
so I feel like I know him even though I don't,
so I'm interested to see how how that plays out
through the course of the year here as well. But yeah,

(37:17):
that's that's where you can find me. That's what I do.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Awesome, and we will. You said this before we came on.
But with the Eagles Packers game coming up, was it
in November? Number, we'll definitely have you back on. We'll
talk about we'll recap that game and give our thoughts.
Will definitely it will definitely be a good show to
have you on.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
All right, Appreciate you, sir. Running backs matter run.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
That's right, that's right, Jacob, I'll see you on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Take care, guys, you go there you are time.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Talk about good timing that we have. You know, Jacob
has to go. As you wrap up the first segment,
you come in, how is everything at the house? Everything? Okay?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Now, now I was about to get on at ten
o'clock and then the power went back out and then
we're back on like it was went out for like
we lost this Saturday doing that heavy rain for about
like three or four hours.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, So what you're saying is we are we are
at any moment could lose you, so hopefully.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Hopefully not, hopefully not. I mean the main reason why
I had some issues is because when the power did
come back on, a couple outlets weren't working that we're
working before.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
So now no, so all right, so praying, praying, we
we don't. All right, So we had a really good
conversation with for the Packers. And I'm telling you the Packers,
I'll let you give your thoughts question real quick before
you move on. But like, yeah, the Packers look good.

(38:48):
And that was a that was a convincing win over
the Lions. I know that we had conflicting predictions regarding it.
Wasn't like a like you're crazy kind of thing, but
like it was close between the two picked the Lions,
I picked the Packers. Does the win on Sunday change
anything for you? Drug default?

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Not necessarily. And I think for me, it's just the
belief that I have in Jordan Love and I'm still
not sold for seventeen games. Defense wise, I mean, it
looked amazing, right, it looked amazing. I think they would
have been juiced up anyway. The trade of Mica a

(39:33):
week into the season, a week before the season, Hey,
let's go get it right. And I think and we
also know that the Lions two new coordinators are trying
to find themselves. Now you hold the Giants, you hold
the Lions to six points. I believe it was twenty
seven to six was the score. If I'm not mistaken.
It gonna be tough. But also at the same time,

(39:56):
we saw Monday Night the other two teams in the
NFC North play. I'm not saying either one of these
teams that play Monday Night would I take them as
a favorite to win a division. But we saw the
tail of two teams. So I really think the Packers,
if Love can play somewhat consistently, he may be that
quarterback and that tier that we always talk about that

(40:18):
you can win with just don't lose and just don't
lose because of right And I think now with the
addition to Micah, they may be in that in that
realm to where it's like, hey, we just need you
to not cost us the game.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, yep, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
If you just play solid football, play solid quarterback play,
and don't be a detriment. I think it's still Wills
Malik Willers still the number two there.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I'm one of the Vergil saying right now, from what
I saw on Sunday, even if Jordan Love goes down,
they still win. They still have about five hundred record.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
They they did great stuff with Malikquill's when he had
to play last year, So I mean, yeah, I'm not
gonna say like it depends on how many games he
has to play. I don't think like Molie Wills can
sustain a high level of play for like five six games.
But if he has to play like two or three,
I still have comments in him to play well in
the games because and mainly because of because of La

(41:22):
Floor Green Pork. But yeah, it should be interesting. It
was a very convincing win and it should. NFC North
is gonna be it, I would agree.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
I mean, based on just answering the pole question two options,
blue pill, red pill, I would agree.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, I agree to obviously because I picked them in
the division.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
But like, yeah, it's it's very and the other three teams, well,
Detroit really to have a good show, but the other
two teams I played on Monday night it was very
jack On, very hot. It was it was really similar
to what we saw twenty four hours before in this
Sunday night football game.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, which we will probably talk about through the end
of the show, but yeah, solutely and I said it
to Jacob with the Lions, that glaring hole that right now,
the concern right now is the interior of the offensive line.
Their strength was the offensive line before. Now it's a
big question agency. I forget what was his name, one

(42:19):
of the rag now or Frank right now? Yeah, I
believe he's the one. If I could be mistaken, it's
one of their main offensive linemen. Off the top of
my head, it's you know with me with names, but yeah,
they lost significant offensive lineman for the season and now

(42:41):
it's just like huge question marks. So that showed. That
absolutely showed on Somenday against the Packers. So they're gonna
have to really see if these I mean, there's no
other solution other than those guys stepping up and playing
better as the season goes on. Other than that, like, yeah,
they're gonna be in for a really tough time all
season if that continues to be a problem.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
All right, So let's get to the film room. Good
stuff with that first topic, and we have we got
four different cases of film, and I want to go
through the first one. I want to do just real quick.
It's nothing, nothing crazy, but it's from the first game
of the year. It's from the Eagles Eagles and Cowboys game.

(43:26):
It's the pair of catches and the reason why I
wanted to touch on these is because I always say
Pete that, like when it come to grading or evaluating
running backs, like people tend to say, oh, he's he's
a good receiver out of the backfield, when all that

(43:49):
running back does is catching your line of scrimmage and
like they're not even like they're catching easy passes near
their body. When it comes to grading a running back
and the receiving skills, you have to look at what
they do with their hands. Do they comfortably catch the
ball away from their frame with their hands and with

(44:12):
comfortable technique? Right, So the difference between that and a
running back who just does what is expected of them,
it can be be a huge difference. And there are
two plays from the game that kind of show this. Now,
this is on third down and this is the play
where her is gonna scan. He's going to hit Saquon

(44:36):
right near the first almwork and it's a little bit high.
Oh I say a little bit, but it is high.
It's a little bit of an air and throw. But
why it doesn't Why are they able to convert? Because
Saquan is able to extend way away from his frame,
showcase really good hands and be able to have the

(44:56):
body control to stay in bounds and get the first down.
That that is why it is so important to catch
away from your frame as a running back because of
plays like that. If you can't do that, I cannot
label you as a good receiver out of the back
or a good receiver as a running back. You have
to be able to show those hands. And there's another

(45:16):
case in that second the second play later on in
the game, and it's it's the highlight reel play. Hurts
gets pressure, He's gonna scare up to his right and
then look one handed. I mean, just really easy. And
as you notice here too, Saquan is already moving as
he's bringing that ball in with his hand with one hand,

(45:38):
he's already turning up field. And that's again that showcases comfortability.
I know he had a bad concentration drop earlier in
the game where he was peaking you know himself, But
this play, I mean, that's just special stuff. So yeah,
I'll play it again. But like any any anything you
wanted to know.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
I mean, the motion. For one thing I've seen just
in Thursday from Kevin Bittulo to Kellen Moore is we
saw we saw passes to the running back. We saw
some screens. Yeah, Shipley, Shipley had a screen. I think
had a screen even here and that and that first
play that we saw on that third down that was
they motioned Saquon. I don't know if the plan was

(46:19):
to hit him in the flat earlier and if Jalen
looked off on purpose this just to kind of decoy
it out. But maybe if he gets to that through
a little bit quicker, there's some there's some more yards
that can be gone in there, but I think out
of that throw, the very first catch being high, the
ability to be able to get the feed in, not

(46:39):
just catch it, but able to get the feed in
go out of bounds to keep the woman to move.
I forget which part of the game this was. I'm
not sure this is the first ride.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I think uh.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Open the touchdown, but this was pretty big because this
was a third and two thirty thirty and three third
and four.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I believe.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
So it shows that he can make these tough catches. Uh.
And the next one the one handed almost so she
would have dead led a little bit to kind of
get more used as center. To feel to his advantage
here because it kind of looks like he has a lane,
but I mean the inside leverage. I think that's that
fifty nine. Uh Is that Murray?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Is that Kendneth Murray.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah, Krenith Furray was giving him the giving him the
middle of the field because he knew he had helped there.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I think he probably thought that Murray's momentum was going
to carry him to the inside and he was trying
to give it outside. And Murray actually did a good
job of changing direction. Yeah, that's he did a good
job of changing direction. And maybe the I think also
kind of maybe like mistimed it. If you want to
get a little bit closer to get another one or

(47:49):
two steps right before you hit. Yeah, so you probably
miss timed it a little bit. But he's able to
pick up the first down, so hey, no harm, no foul.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
So no, I mean I love to see it. It's
he was useful. I think he only had sixty rushing
yards and I forget how many receiving yards he had.
I think Jaalen was a leading rusher, but I also
think this takes some keep him fresher a little bit
if you can get them more involved in in the
receiving game. So where we saw two k a last
year mostly on the ground. You may see two k

(48:18):
but all strimmers this year, you know, and that that
may be easier on his body to keep him fresher.
But I like what I saw. I mean, definitely get
the running backs, just don't have to run the ball.
You know, there could be weapons in the in the
passing game as well. Hell, Brian Westbrook did it for years.
He'd be that was his calling card, right, I mean,
I'm trying to think who else. James White did it
with the Patriots. He was notorious for Marshall darren Sprolls,

(48:44):
I mean Darren Sprolls on the screen pass that was
almost is at one point it could be as taken
to the house as money as as Randy Moss want
to go route, you know what I mean. It was
it was just that lethal. So the evolution of what
the offense can be, right, and that's this with with
Kevin Patula being there in a different role albeit but
he was there last year and probably even last year

(49:05):
with the success the offense was having to try to see, Okay,
have these these concepts that if I ever get the chance,
I want to bring these to the table. Right, And
now that it's his baby what can we do. I
mean a j Brown one target, we'll see, we'll see.
I don't I don't know who's We talked about what happened.
It just didn't look his way and he I know,
he said they were shading to his side. But it's

(49:26):
something you never seen before.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
But I mean for jailing, I go injury too. I
think amstring.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
I mean, who'll have a chances. But even even without that,
sometimes it did feel as if that was it was
stagnant some things. But once again, it's week one. You
get to w you put that notch on your belt,
and you move on to week two.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Absolutely absolutely all right, So let's get to the next clip.
I'm excited about this one. Another running back. Yes, but
we've been the reason why I want highlight Breeze Hall
is because there's a lot of and I said this
on Twitter, I'd made a post how like in that
draft class Breese Hall, Kenneth Walker, they were like my

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round one running backs with a lead up side that
I was so high on, so high on, and they
haven't really hit that level yet for other reasons. I
mean with Kenneth Walker's it's mainly consistent injuries, minor injuries
here and there. With Breece Hall, he had that one
season injury his rookie year and then had some other stuff.

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He's on bad teams, so I get it. At this
off season with both of them, there's a lot of
talk about timeshare, the the RB two behind them being
better than them. Maybe. Uh there's even there were even
rumors about Breese Hall being on the trade block.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
So everybody wanted to pick up.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I still believe in Breece Hall. And Week one against
the Steelers, he looked as good as he ever has
and I wanted there like five different plays. I don't
have to spend too much time on them because I'll
what the play do they're talking? But like the first one,
this is just again manipulating the defensive the defensive lineman
and the linebackers. If you see here this this is

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his gap right here, but he's going to make sure
this linebacker is squeezed and starts to overplay to this side.
This little hesitation to Breeze Hall's right is what what
is what allows him to get this open running lane
all the way as you can see here. Look at that.

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That's just awesome, Yeah, awesome. Nu Ones and patients to
manipulate linebackers. Now that lane is open, as you can see,
he's gonna attack it with good bursts. And I think
this was the first play from scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
So this is that. This was if I'm not mistaken,
that was a sixteen yard run after So this is now.
So no, the one I'm talking about is in this set.
I think it may be the fourth play. The next
play this is just yeah, the next play is where
he gets contacted in the backfield and he makes something

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out of nothing.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
This is there. This is a three yard run, and
this is this is creativity. Like one of the one
of the things that one of the reasons why I
liked Kenneth Walker a had bit more than Reese Hall
is because Kenneth Walker did stuff like this constantly, where
if there's bad blocking, Kenneth Walker is one of the
absolute best of making things happen out of nothing and

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creating behind the line of scrimmage. But b Reese Hall
shows here he absolutely can do that as well. Look
at this, it's just I mean there's definition and the agility,
the quickness of the burst to be able to just
see that he's one on one with twenty three and
it's just shed that tackle, is gonna press back inside right, and.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Then you can trust his legs.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Now, yeah, he's here to see that lane. So he's
pressing here to his right, but he's going to see
that lane and he gives that dead leg there, gets
upfield with that really good burst and oh man, that's
as good as a three yard run you're gonna see.
Like ever, I don't know, maybe that's.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
A little but from him to where he was at
last year where you can kind of tell he was
still recovering, he's starting to get back to what he
was early in this rookie year.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Absolutely, absolutely, that's just awesome stuff. Awesome. So if you
were able to get shed that tackle from that dB,
that would have been even even more. But go to
the next play, This one, I believe was I'm trying
to think what happened to this play that.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Maybe this is looks like it's inside and oh.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, this is the reason why I wanted to throw
this because to be to be able to get skinny
in side but then still be able to use your
peripheral vision right here right, so there's so much garbage
around him, but to be able to say, hey, I
know where my cut is and to get low look
at him drop his weight when he's in in that traffic,

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and to be able to boom now he's on the
other side of it. It's just very good, very good
footwork there and vision to be able to see that,
you know, to the to the to the side. So yeah,
that's very nuanced stuff to get again by Brees Hall.
I mean it doesn't It doesn't really look like much

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when you think about it. But there You don't know
how many running backs if they execute this right, they're
going to ask you this zone run. They see this
and they're either going to take this up here and
put their shoulder down or this cut isn't as dynamic
as that. And there's a defender on his back on
the back side trying to tackle him too. Was that

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the defensive lineman? I can't say one number, but to
be able to I think yeah, and be able to
make that cut and be able to get up there,
that's that's impressive stuff. This next one.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Is this.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Is this is just pure burst. You talk about Bruce Hall,
and like one of the things that we loved about
him was his burst, his celeration to the second level.
This is showcase here because who is that right there
on the back side. That's TJ Watt. Guys, that is
TJ Watt. So to be able to get out of
this and just say I'm gonna hit the jets right

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here and he's off to the second level and down
to the third level. That's just such such impressive burst
by a running back. And I'm telling you most running
backs t J Watt has them that the rights. Not
a lot of running backs, yeah yeah, not a lot
of running backs will be able to get free from

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from TJ Watt there. But that burst that go from
zero to sixty is so impressive. So again he's he's
feeling it, he's trusting his legs again. And then this
last one, I talk about outside zone, one of my
favorite run concepts, and to be able to really have
that vision that he has the path is just this

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is I mean, you don't have to have great vision
to see this, but just look at the footwork to
be able to say, hey, I'm going to set the
path here and then I know that the defense is
flowing that way, let me plant my inside foot get
to the outside and then that bursts again and it's
just it's textbook textbook running this outside zone. But Resa

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does a really good job of spacing because a lot
of some running backs, depending on their style, they'll make
a very drastic like letter cut here, but they'll speed
making that cut. With Breese Hall, he does lose speed.
You have this Matt Waldman likes to use this term,
but this curve of linear movement where you're not losing

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speed when you make that cut. And that's what that's
what Brustol does here. Sorry we go back here, but
that's what brust does. He uses that curve leader movement
to be able to maintain that speed out of the
cut and get downhill with.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
I think while his verse in his agility and his
trust is coming back to his life, the long the
breakaway speed, this isn't the same as what it was
in his rookie season, because I mean.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I think that I think that I had to I
didn't really pay attention to that much. I know that
he had one screen, so I'd have to compare that, uh,
that run that he had on that screen to his
rookie year, because I remember he broke one his rookie year.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Uh, but yeah, I just think it was one in
the Denver game in his rookie season, first or second week,
where he.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Just took the Yeah, but I think that's what I'm
talking about, so I have to go that two. I
didn't notice that, but I mean, yeah, that could that
could be the case. And even if he doesn't have
that though like that, that confidence, that vision and the
burst is still so they're to to be able to
make do some damage. So very hopeful for Beasts Hall.

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We'll get into Jets talk in a little bit, but
if the Jets are gonna be good, Beasts Hall is
gonna be one of the reasons they are. So yeah.
Our third clip a pair of touchdowns by rookie Mecca
at Buka. So impressive that this guy was hyped up
so much this offseason as being like, hey, he's pro ready,

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he's going to take the league by storm immediately, and
he absolutely did in his first game. You have this one.
He's gonna he comes from let's see where is he
on this one? Yeah, he's coming from the condensed formation here,
so he's got you see him lined up over here. Yeah,

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so he's the number one wide receiver to the up side.
He's going to release it and it looks like he's just
making a yeah, skinny post, a skinny post. It's a
but the thing I want to point out here and
we can't zoom in, but man, he's going to showcase
these hands. We talk about hands, right, we talked about
hand and shaken Mecca Buka hand. Look at this catching

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away from his frame, so smooth and just so natural,
and he gets this touchdown. But the one I really
want to highlight is that to throw by Baker. But
this one, this is the one I really wanted to
break down. So the game winning touchdown to Atguka. So
Sean Sayed did a really good breakdown of this. I

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didn't catch it when I first watched the play, but
apparently the Bucks ran this play. They flipped it, but
they ran this play two other times earlier in the
fourth quarter and gathered information from it. So shout out
to Shan Sayet for full pointing that out. That credit
goes to him. But yeah, what happens here on this

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play is you want to keep an eye on the
safety because what he's gonna do. You're gonna have the
number two receiver. I think that Mike's Evans. Mike Evans,
He's gonna run that inbreaker. Yeah, on the trip side again,
because the number one he's over here, he's gonna run
a post Evans already highlighted. He's gonna run an inbreaker,

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and then the number three receiver is gonna run just
kind of a stop route. This safety is going to
crash on Mike Evans route. He's going to play the inbreaker.
And what that does is it leaves one on one
with a GUKA against the corner. And that's the key.
When they ran this the two other times in the
fourth quarter, they saw that the safety was crashing down

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on Mike Evans route, they pulled this out one more
time and it leads to the go a touchdown. And again,
what did I say earlier, and look at that dime.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
From that, I want to say, probably run it back again. Yep,
right there at the ten yard line. That hard that
hard cell to the outside just to get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Let's see that
boom yeap to make sure that the dB opens up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
But yeah, that's a good, good point. So d is
gonna open up just a little bit, and that gives
just enough, just enough to be able to get that window,
the throwing window and he gets it. Oh, that's that's beautiful,
beautiful stuff. Awesome is a bigger Mayfield. Incredible throw at Ruka,

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awesome hands, good route running. The Bucks did a really
good job. They won the game. So at Ruka, you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Are going to be I'm I'm here for it all year.
Oh yeah, and Ex bought out sixty sixty yards. We
saw what Jon was doing. Yeah man, and once once
the once the Bucks gets Chris Godwin back on the field,
that's just another weapon, I mean Chris Colwen Abuka, Mike Evans,

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it's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Be It's gonna be awesome. As Jam chimes and he says,
what upam I've ben asleep at the Chucks and l
GP show where freaking vibe? And yeah, we we started
this new show earlier this year from No Lie. We
usually it's pre recorded usually and we usually go uh
or usually posts and it's up on Wednesday mornings. But

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with no Hockey Show today, we have the opportunity to
go live tonight. So as GM, thanks for chiming in.
We will be doing this always always appreciate yep. And
we got again film don't lie. We do film breakdowns
and we talk about the league as a whole, not
just the eagle. So uh yeah, tune in again. Our
show is usually out every Wednesday morning. So last clip,

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I want to say that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Oh my god, this may be so mad.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
When I always say that stats lie and I know
who we had our like difference of this. This is
why I say stats lie because if you look at
the box score, you would say, oh c J. Stroud
had a bad game. If you watch the film, And
that's why we are here. We watched the film film
Don't Lie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
C J.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Stroud was falling, falling, and this play made me so
mad because this should have been a completion. This was
a dime by c J. Stroud, absolute dime. But the
defensive back rips it away from the receiver and gets

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the interception that's not on Stroud. Oh my god, you
see this, This is so there. The Rams are playing
a type of it looks like, yeah, cover two, so
you've got the safety and you've got the corner. He's
gonna rip the whole shot. You know how difficult that
whole shot? His peet right for a quarterback, there is

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a small window.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Yeah, some some would say when I first I first
started watching, my very first initial watch I was like,
did he did I? Did I even hold onto it?
This is a tad tooo long? Could he have let
it go a little earlier? But then when when watching
the second, third or fourth, I'm like, I mean, really,
he's no matter where you let it go. He's throwing
over top to try to keep it short, so he's

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trying to drop it into a bucket. And that's that's
the tough throat and his receiver had his hands on it.
Just don't know who eighty one is?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Is that that's why Kate's stiver? Is it going on?
I can there's a depth chart. Hold on one second,
bring it up Texans depth chart. Eighty one is no
Jaden Higgins, the rookie, So these shouldn't Higgins shouldn't be
letting this go like you can't let it defensive back

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rip it from you like this This is because and
you you're you were asking if to throw was late.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
But people first initially watch it, you're gonna think he's late.
You're gonna think he's late, but there's really nowhere no
matter what if he to get the air on the
ball to get it to stop and dropping the bucket,
he had like you can kind of see before Higgins
is even out of his break, yet he's already in
the throw it exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
That's why I pause it. You see, oh wait, go
back a little bit further. So here let it go.
Hered's here boom, So he's now he's about to rip it,
and Higgins is just he's right about at his break.
So the timing on this is perfect. The placement on
this is pretty perfect, Like like what I can't get it.

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It's it's right where it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
The only way you can make this so easier is
that the play concept, oh, the route concept of the
play is better to where maybe your two underneath routes
are crossers to get that linebackers, to get some linebackers attention.
So whoever this is short at the forty five, if
that route concept was to take to run a deep cross,

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you're pulling the DP with them, and then you're also
flashing somebody in front of the linebacker to make their
still a little bit easier for shouts to where.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Maybe this is also cover too, so that this this
corner isn't going to go anywhere. So even if you
run that crosser, the corner is still going to play.
I could argue that if they knew this was covered two,
this is exactly why he threw it because he knows
that the corner is going to play, gonna be playing
the flat, He's going to be playing this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
So what was the original line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
It was at the thirty seven, So what the thirty seven? Right?
The corner has to play the shallow right here, the flat,
So because of that, now he has a hole. If
without this wide receiver playing here, as they're call a
control route, the corner can just drop and then there's

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no there's no window there, so the corner has to
be there. Again, the corner still is not able to
make the play. As you see, the corner goes back
and he's still not in the vicinity to make a
play on the ball. So the ball is still like
right where it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
The throw is a dime throw. The decision to throw
it there if you want to question that, if anything,
and the second and twenty two Lionel shimmers is a
thirty seven, we can clearly see. I think that's child
at the forty with five six yards in front of him.

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Don't get me wrong. The linebackers are going to crash
on him and you can kind of live to play
third down, but you know, and the heat of the
moment means hej you live it down with that throw.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah, I mean it's second twenty two, your by five,
you know it's and I know it's still the midway
through your third quarter. But if it's second twenty two,
you if you're throwing this, you better make sure you're
able to make the throw and made and he is
one of the only quarterbacks with that high, high level

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accuracy to be able to do it. And this is
what I'm talking about, Like, this was all over the
film I'm watching. I had to pick one one play
from c J. Stroud for this game to showcase and breakdown,
and I was like, there's so many to choose from,
but I'm just gonna pick the interception because this shouldn't
have been an interception and this is gonna go against
CDJ Stroud but it shouldn't. And that's what makes me

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mad is he had such a good game, but the
stats aren't gonna show it. And yeah, it's just it's
such a it's so frustrating from from from my point
of view, just because like it goes, it gets credited
to the quarterback and when it shouldn't. But crowd, I'm
telling you guys, now, if you didn't get to get
a chance to watch that game, Stroud had an awesome game.

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Do not judge thank you to for one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
It's a lot of passing yards were down. It wasn't
a three hundred yard pastors or two fifty plus passers.
I would say credit to this is to be Cover
two with that route concept and that spot of the field,
you have to make that type of grade a elite
throw yep. But if you're off by a little bit,

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things like this can happen. Hence, it is the whole
point of a well executed Cover two.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
So you could argue that maybe he shouldn't have trusted
a rookie wide receiver. I guess like if you want
to throw that argument out, But I mean, Higgins is
an early round draft pick, right, so yeah, so he's
got to make that play for his quarterback. Actually, I'm
to say I was telling my buddies pre draft this,

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people should be higher on a GUKA. He's talented and
has that game breaking ability that manisol in the other
two OSC wide receivers, Harrison and Wilson. Yeah, so like
Gukah is really showing he's a guy. So I love it.
I love it all right, awesome from film room session,
let's get to five step drop and we're gonna do
the exercise. This should be fun. I don't know, I

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don't know which way you're gonna go with this, So
it's gonna be interesting to what you say. But we
got five narratives, five takes from week one, and each
of us are going to say whether we think it's
an overreaction as many people do after week one, or
is it legitimate? Is it a sign of things to come?
So the first one, let's talk about from the game

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of the week, arguably until Monday night happened, but for
Sunday the game of the week was well what sorry,
Bill's Ravens was Sunday night, But from the afternoon games,
the game of the week up until that point was
Jets Stealers. So I say this justin fields, are the
Jets are for real? Is that an overreaction or is

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that legitimate?

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
I mean you would think Jet Steelers two defensive minded
head coaches. I'm not mistaken outside of Sunday Night Football.
That was the second highest scoring game in the league.
They scored Jet Steelers sixty five points, sixty six points.
It's thirty four to thirty two. Yep. Like, if you
tell any Jets fans that you're putting them thirty two

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points and your season opener against the Steelers, you'll take that,
and you think you would think that to win. Obviously
did not turn out like that. I like what I
saw at Justin Fields. We've seen the steps that break
that Breest Hall took. Garrett Wilson was like he's fully
engaged at the one game, and Brilan Allen did have
a touchdown. I think he had an eight yard rush
for a touchdown. Yes, I would say Bills don't have

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to be worried at this point. By you talk to
me in the next twelve thirteen weeks, would I be shot.
I think I'll put us to I think the uld
win a record because they have the Dolphins in the division,
and I don't think they're bouncing back from that. I
think the Dolphins are gonna be a fire sale, come
come trade that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, So I'm going to say this is legitimate.
I think I do think now well, Justin Fields look
the same as he did on Sunday. Is he gonna
look that way every single week? No, I don't think
he's gonna look like that every single week because that
was like near perfect, like he was insanely good. So

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I don't expect him to be that level play every
single week. He's gonna have some weeks where he's he's
not as good, maybe even struggle, but over the course
of the season. For telling me overall, what do I
expect from Justin Fields, I'm going to maybe it's just
me still being hopeful in Justin Fields, but I'm gonna
say that he maintains a good level of play. I mean,

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we saw it from from him last year with the
Steeers before he got erroneously bench for Russell Wilson, right,
he was playing well. He was playing pretty well. Now
with the Jets, he has his opportunity. I think he's
going to play well. Hm says, I agree. Chucks as
long as the Jets don't play from behind often can

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keep rurning the ball efficiently. The fields has to throw
the ball with no mixed attack. It's a different story.
That's a fair point. Yeah, Like you know, with if
he has to play from behind and they have to
continuously throw. That could change things and the fields. The
type of quarterback who can play from behind like that,
we don't know. Probably not. But is he the type
of quarterback who can you can play with a leader

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or like play on an even when things are even
playing field and continue to be a threat. Absolutely, absolutely so,
I hear you in that. Ashm also says, I do
believe the NFL is trending more towards balanced offense attacks
heads qbs having less passing yards but higher QB yards. Yea,
I think it is trending.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Efficiency efficiency, efficiency.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Yep I agree. Uh So, second topic, we kind of
ready elude to this, you went through it, but uh,
Miami Dolphins are the worst team in the league. So
I think you're gonna think talent wise, no, but that's
what we're not talking about that are they are they
the worst team in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Something is a miss in Miami, something's in the water
man that the mojo is gone. The mojo is going.
They lost what thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
To six against the Colts.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Daniel Jones and the coach they look like they had
through the eight thirty through to eight yep, I don't know,
And who's the backup there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
In Miami and where in Miami I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Know, Yeah, and somebody else forget forge where I heard it.
But it's kind of like Mike McDaniels. At this point
when you have Jalen model, you have to write to rekill.
You can't. These guys don't need a governor. You can't.
Like he's taking a third of his playbook out because
Tua just can't do it. He just doesn't have the

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arm to make those type of throws downfield that you
need to make them. And there's not so much need
to make. But if you're going to use this offense
and its assets at its highest ability, I don't know.
I don't I don't know. Like I said, I don't
know who the QB is. I don't know if they
can pull something, but I don't know. Man, I wouldn't

(01:15:28):
get to it that contract regardless. I think that maybe
the organization for pressure because Tua can come back out
those concussions. But that's what you have, Like hey, man,
like I get it, but yeah, long term, this same
because now you're in the books for didn't to it
get like almost a two hundred million dollar contract too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
How much it was, but it was it was significant.
It was significant. I mean, and I mean Tua has
shown overall he's he's a solid to good quarterback. He
has to play, you have to tail the system in
a certain way. He has to play a certain way
for him to be effective. But you can win with
him if you play that certain way and all things

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aligne So is he a horrible quarterback? No, But as
you I think the more important thing is and this
is why I think this is legitimate, is because the
vibes that are just bad, and they've been bad since
the end of last year. And when you saw like
Tyreek Hill and him saying at the end of the year,
I'm not gonna be on the team this year. I

(01:16:26):
forget what I'm paraphrasing, but from that moment on with
Tyreek Hill, and then you know, maybe we can even
go even further back with Fangio leaving. When Fangio left,
all the defensive players blamed him. But then that defense
did not show up last year, so it clearly wasn't him.
Maybe that was a song of the two. But it's

(01:16:46):
just so much going wrong, and this is why we
have to remind ourselves that when it comes to head coaching,
there's more to it than play design and play calling.
And mc mc daniel is awesome at that style. But
you have toible, yeah, like you have to set a culture,
you have to lead men. And as much as Nick

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Sirianni gets overlooked because he because of what he doesn't
do as an offensive play caller, you have to respect
what Sirianni does as a culture center. And that's what
Mike McDaniel right now isn't doing. It doesn't have so
he fits the mold Mike Manano probably of someone isn't
a good head coach but OC and that's probably where

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he belongs. So I mean so simple.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
As like he's maybe he's not the leader of fifty
three men yep. Yeah, And it's and it's tough because
you're in Miami, Like there's already distractions around you, like
it's Miami, you know what I mean. So if you
don't have that strong personality, which you have those X
and O skills, you don't have strong coordinators behind you.
Because like you said, Fanjo is a strong coordinator. He's

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a strong personality, but he's I want to say it,
but he gets sh done all right, and players didn't
like that, and but the performance is going, so we'll
see what Steven Ross wants to do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah, and Asham says two has a ton talent around him.
Zero excuse. Wadal'd hill are bona fide studs. McDaniel has
used multiple running backs who produced despite two shortcomings. McDaniel
has been underwhelming. Yeah, I mean to everyone. I know.
There was a whole big debate on Twitter a few
months ago, like people saying Tua is absolutely better than

(01:18:27):
Jenen Hurts. I think we can kind of look at
the rest. It's you can't use supporting cast because he's
had he has a really good tandem Wi Tanel wattald Hill,
he has running backs, he has a good play caller.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Tangibles is just different man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Yep, all right. Number three, The Colts made the right
decision to name Daniel Jones as their starter.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Through through week one. Yes, through week one Yes, And
I mean, I feel sorry because it feels like it's
not really about a rich's talent what he could be
on the field. It's like his head and everything off
the field and coach were lucky enough to take a
chance on Daniel Jones. Fresh start, first scenery and may

(01:19:17):
work because we know stiking can get points on the board.
If you can play quarterback half past, you know what
I mean, he can scheme away, he can find a
way the week one they look like geniuses. Chris Chris
Baalaman keep his.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Job through Week one, they look like geniuses. I am
not falling for it. I'm gonna say overreaction. Hey played
the Dolphins, who I just said could be the worst
team in the league. So and let's let's put context
into this too. And and I've told I've told you
this and our chats and everything like that. I think
Daniel Jones does provide them stability, which is weird to

(01:19:57):
say of Daniel Jones compared to Anthony Richardson. He is
the more stable guy because he can run that offense.
And Daniel Jones is not a horrible QB. He obviously
has some talent and can throw the ball. So I
am not I wouldn't be surprised if the Colts were

(01:20:21):
a solid team this year with Daniel Jones and you know,
as their quarterback. And I do think that's gonna hold true.
I think they're gonna be like, you know, maybe a
nine win team is give or take, you know that
wouldn't be Yeah, the nine win teams though, and I'm
sticking to exactly what Like this wind did not change

(01:20:42):
my stands on them. I do not think they're gonna
be bad with Daniel Jones. I think they're going to
be very solid. My whole point was in the long run,
big picture, it doesn't make sense to me. It still
does not make sense to me to go the whole
process of Anthony Richards. It just it was just so flawed.

(01:21:03):
It's the process of getting to hear that really bugs
me about them. So if you want to look at
the sense that did they make the right decision going
with Daniel Jones so that they could win as many
games as possible this season? Okay, sure I will say yes.
But if the question is did they make the right

(01:21:26):
decision for their franchise over all long term? I don't.
I'm gonna still say no. I think there's you don't
get anywhere with Daniel Jones are starting QB, And I
still think that if they have a nine win season
with Daniel Jones, does that necessarily mean stich In and
Ballot are going to keep their jobs? I don't think so,

(01:21:46):
I don't think that necessarily means that. I don't know why.
I just I know people have made that argument that, oh,
they're going to keep their jobs if they can win
with Daniel Jones, even if it's just a borderline wildcard team.
I don't agree with that. I think there's a realm
possibility where if they barely miss the playoffs but have
nine wins, they still lose their job. I still think
that's very possible. So I disagree that. I think it's

(01:22:09):
an overreaction. We They're going to be tested because I
think their next opponent is the Broncos. So we'll see
very quickly how legitimate that offense is. And if they do,
if they play well against the Broncos and that defense,
then yeah, I will start.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
To see is a rich is Anthony Richards in this
generation is de Marcus Ussel.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
It could end up being that way, But it also
it's also going to depend on what on how Anthony
we're just in takes this, you know what I mean, like.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
As not the player, but the person.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
The person, Yeah, the person. So that's what's going to
depend on, all right. Number four, The Giants defensive line
was overhyped going into this season, they were pretty much blanketed.
They they were not existent against the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
And it's not like I think the old Giants team
was not. It's just now talking about a franchise who
how we got here. I'm a firm believer that you
should have started Jackson Dark.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
I agree, And let's see. I agree with that because
you know, you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
Know russ is not going to take chances. He's gonna
play safe, and that's not doing you any favors.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Well, Russell Wilson's it's it's this, it's Russell Wilson is.
If he doesn't see that first read, it's either just
try to run or he's gonna just launch it. And
that's the thing like russ Baum now is because he
doesn't have the same athleticism, he's just gonna launch it
deep that that's that's russ ball. And he did it

(01:23:52):
several times just hoping that it would connect. And and
it's not efficient, it's not efficient.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
But I am I'm not I'm not buying it yet.
I'm not buying it yet. I'm not buying the fact
that it is overhyped. It's hard because you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Said I agree with that. I think it's an overreaction.
It's week one. I think that I think the Giants.
I think that line is too talented to just be
this fall season. Uh, it's week one the division opponent.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
So yeah, yeah, Thursday Night Football is is a doozy.
Commander's Packers is a do ouzy. Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
So yeah, we both agree on overaction. And now the
last one, and this is going to be the most
fun one to me, at least number five. Justin Herbert
will be in the MVP conversation and before we get
to the s GM does ask not. I'm not sure
if you guys discussed it, but Herbert looks poised and

(01:25:00):
fully in sync with Harbo's system and tootltz. He's got
two wide receivers Mconcae and Allen who arguably run the
best option routes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
And Quenton Johnson is going to feast.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
He looks better, gwyn Jonas Johnson looks better.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Standby, Hope, please got something real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Okay, I'll answer it first. I think this is legitimate.
I think this is a sign of things. I think
that Justin Herbert is going to because the whole conversation
about Justin Herbert. Now remember it's just playoffs, right is Oh,
he hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Well, we're not
talking about playoffs. We're talking about m VP, which is
regular season award. I think second year under Jim Harball,

(01:25:43):
I think it's all gonna come. I think I don't
think in the end that I still don't think the
Chargers will win the division, but they're going to be
like if they don't win a division, they're going to
be the number five seed, like the first wild card.
So I do think they're going to be so good,
and I don't think it's out of the realm of
possibility they win in the division, depending how things go

(01:26:04):
with the Chiefs and their wide receivers and all that.
But yeah, doesn't Herbert looked phenomenal on Friday night against
the against the Chiefs. I might we got into an
argument about Herbert on last week's show, But I think
Herbert this year is going to really take that next
step and turn some eyes. But I know that it

(01:26:26):
doesn't matter until he does something in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
And when you said that the last drop, the last
step was he he will be considered for m VP.
So this can being considered or do you feel as
if you're saying, I think that's legitimate, Like he may
get he may garner m v P vote.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
I think he's going to be like one of the
one of the top contenders for it this year. Maybe
not saying he will win it, but.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Do you think he would get a vote?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Yes, I think he can get a vote this week.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
I would have to agree because I'm looking at their schedule. Yeah,
I'm not to agree. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Yep. He looks good. He looks good, and I hope
he can keep it up so that he can shut
up some people online. So yeah, all right, that's our
five step drop and then it's concluding.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Now the Chargers need to edge Rusher or whole one develops.
They could be a sneaky team to trade for Trayvon
Walker or someboding like that out outside of the Eagles.
To be honest with you, and that that wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Bad, Yeah, that wouldn't be bad. Ye, all right, no
huddle anything for you. I got here. I'll start it off.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
The Geno Smith era and with the Raiders got off.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
They're supposed to be they did you see.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
His passing chart? Okay, I'm going to bring it up.
Look how many deemots that boy is?

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
God?

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I forget. I should have pulled up, I should have
kept the tweet. But there was a stat where Gino
Smith completed I forget how many completions of fifteen plus
yards and that was like he led the league this
week or something like that. It's it's he is just
bombs away. If we talk about Eagles fans, we talk
about right Jalen Hurts as having having one of the

(01:28:23):
best deep balls in the game. I think Gino Smith
you have to also give give him consideration just pure
deep balls. Gino Smith is right there too. He's he's
so good. So I'm excited for Gino Smith and the
Raiders in terms of just dude, I don't think they're
gonna be a good team, right. I think they're just
gonna be fun to watch. I think they're gonna be
a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
But I think they're going to be coached up. Like wait, wait, well,
what is the name of that pe Pe Caro. I
was gonna say Pete Callen. I don't know that's Pete
is a world renowned punting coach for golf. So sorry,
but Peek cal Peek Carroll is there now, so they're

(01:29:06):
gonna be coaching like hard, right, They're going to be
coaching away in a manner that kind of younger players
are gonna be able to to get the best out
of them. And I was shocked that they started to
use Michael Mayor in the passing office as well, which
kind of dreams of having Michael Mayor and in Midnight Green.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I know, I know, yeah, they want to use them.
Like I said, I would love to have Michael Maryor,
but they want to keep them.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
So yeah, and Genty look good, gentle look good. Of course,
I mean Pat's look good at a point in time,
but I mean it's still way. But Gino man, the
familiarity that he has with Carroll there they click and
he resurrected his career in Seattle, and they're keeping that
train rolling a few states south. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Absolutely, I'm definitely thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
I think I'm gonna take the over in Monday Night's game.
That's the late Monday night game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
What is it? Yeah, because there's there's it's a doubleheader
ten what's the ten o'clock?

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
It was Raiders Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Well that's gonna be good. Yep. In Vegas, Uh, let's
let's talk about real quick. Also the Ravens Bulls game,
because I don't know how that's.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
The times. It was the worst of times if you're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Just as a football fan, though owns enjoyable. Oh so
good that I mean, but I love Lamar and this
was not on him, obviously, I love Lamar, so I
so I naturally kind of like root for the Ravens
because I'd like that. I love that Derrick Henry. But yeah,
that just that comeback and as good of a night

(01:30:52):
that Derrick Henry had, it all gets was washed away.
I want to say washed away. It gets over it
gets overshadowed due to his fumble. It's one mistake, one
crucial mistake, overshadows everything he did earlier in that game,
and it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
So he fumbles and that was the drive to get
them within two after they scored. After he fumbled.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
They so they scored, they were down by fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Oh they was like it was forty to twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Yeah, so it was down by fifteen. They scored, and
then on the ensuing possession that's where Henry fumbled.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
That's what I'm saying. So it was forty forty twenty
five they scored, so it was forty thirty two, and
then they score again. They went for two, so it's
forty thirty eight. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
So so my point is, don't get me wrong, he fumbled,
but the Ravens had two fucking possessions to control their
own destiny and they and for whatever reason, they couldn't
get it done because they kept giving the ball back
to the Bills. So you figure forty thirty two he fumbles, Okay, cool,
you didn't really have a possession there. It's forty thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Yep. Would you okay, would you have gone for a
fourth down?

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Yeah, me too, Yes, me too, because is on the
other side of it if you give him the ball
all game over, especially.

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
In that building, yep, and all the momentums with them,
and you act like you don't have the two out
of the two out of three last year's MVP on
your team, the one who really should have won over
the dude that won it last year.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah, put the ball in his hands late in the game, or.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Better, better yet, call a screen with Derek Henry and
say it's okay, go get this his first down so
we can win this game. Everybody walked away from Sunday
Night Football saying, Hey, the Bills may have had the
best player, but Baltimore was the better team, you know
what I mean. And even in that game, that game

(01:33:01):
had eighty one points. I'm like, where is the defense? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Yeah, a sham, says Borrow Jackson. But most likely Allen
will finally get over the Mahomes gotland this year. You
can feel it. I think this year, man, Yeah, I
think it'll be either either the Bills or the Ravens.
I think so. I don't think the Bengals can. They
don't have the defense to pull it off. I don't

(01:33:26):
think Yeah, I think those are Ravens. Yeah, but yeah
it's Jim or John Harball. Sorry, John Harball has this
reputation of losing these leads. I think the stat is
since twenty twenty one, Ben Slack put this on Twitter.
Since twenty twenty one, the Ravens have had I think

(01:33:48):
eight losses in comeback fashion, which is three more than
the next team. Wow, that's an average of two a
year to a season. I think, yeah, I think something
like that. Check Ben Solax Twitter to be sure what
the tweet is. But John Harball man like, you've gotta as.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
Something something in those old school coaches not to lose
instead of to win.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Old school thing. Again, the whole punting situation, give the
ball to Lamar Jackson, don't. The old school mentality is
to punt the ball and let your defense win it.
In this day, this football, this today's football. Bro, you
have Josh Allen that that thirty to forty yards means

(01:34:39):
nothing to Allen, to Lamar Jackson, to to Patrick Mahomes,
to Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, who is a clutch quarterback
like that Matthew Stafford means nothing. They can make that
up in one or two plays easily.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
And the thing is what as a Ravens fan, right,
if you're a Ravens fan or you're someone that follows
a team closely, do you what would you rather? What
do you feel more huntable with right punting the ball
defense that already gave up thirty eight you know what

(01:35:16):
I mean? Or putting the ball in your playmaker's hands
and go get me a first down. So we can
ask this game. Yeah, because at some point Greg says
it here, think harbor over things at the times. At
some point you're going to go ahead and have to
make a decision that's against the grain that you're not
comfortable with and take a chance to get to your

(01:35:39):
Super Bowl. How many times did we see Nick do
it last year? Yep? Yeah, you know what I mean.
So in these games with this type of talent, that's
what you're gonna do this, So it's gonna take the win.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
Like they said, like McDermott, he just I got jobs
from going for and fourth ugliest touch for ever. I
don't know how it was. It was ever effective way too.
But Josh Man, boy, he's a problem. Mm hmmm, he's
He's just a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
I think the stat was there's another start I heard
on the podcast where if you go by what are
the metrics, is it e p A Layton games, Josh
Allen is the leader amongst most all quarterbacks and e
p A late late game situations. So I don't know
if that don't call me. I don't know if that's
the exact stat, but it's something where he leads the

(01:36:37):
league in clutch moments by by some metric, so it's
it's insane. Also says the Ravens are loaded with talents.
Nopece To lose the leads the way they do, it's
insane when you dive to numbers, it's absolutely crazy, absolutely so.
But that was That was a fun game as a
football fan, and I hope we get a rematch of
that in the playoffs. You're most likely will most likely

(01:36:59):
any and you know the quick topics for no huddle from.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
You and you know me, Uh, I'm trying to think
around the league real quickly, and you know that's escape me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Uh, Bengals got lucky to win that game. Every metric,
at every stat if you look at the box score,
they should have lost that game. Like what I saw
brown Man, the NFC South, maybe outside of the Panthers,

(01:37:35):
maybe m hm scenes kind of held in there. I
like what I saw in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
They used Marvin Harrison a little bit better and in
better fashion around this time. A little bit definite good sign.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
And uh, our prediction about the NFC West may hold
true because I got George Kittle in three leagues and
his bitch is out now four weeks and Brock Party
maybe out too, so.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Banged up. Oh my god, it's really going to come
down to Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
But what we thought about the defense in Seattle full year,
second year and Mike McDonald, sam donald still picking on
kind of where he left off Jays and taking that
next step forward to be the lead man with the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
In that game, wasn't the defense it was unless, I
mean you could you could say that Tarik Willen really
gave up two gregious plays on that game when drive,
which I'm not excusing him.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
But that's.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
That's the thing right overall through the whole game. Overall
and macro point of view, the defense was awesome. They
played a great The issue was the offense. Issue was
the offense. They couldn't move the ball and that's why
they kept giving the ball back to the nine because
the offense couldn't move the ball. Kenneth Walker looks like
he's still hurt. He doesn't have the same explosion and
then exposiveness, so that's a concern. And the blocking was

(01:39:04):
blocking was good, but inconsistent like it wasn't. They weren't
able to generate a lot of explosive plays on the
running game and that's they need has The offense has
to be better and Jaya said, is awesome, but they've
got to get more people involved they've got to like
do something. And Donald really really he showed why, And

(01:39:27):
I said, we said this last week. He showed why
it was a downgrade from Gino to Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
And then also the couple that showed why, like I said,
it's a downgrade.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
You can you have to just hope that The only
hope is that the running game clicks. You have to
get the running game going and then Sam Donald will
be fine. But if there's no running game, as we
saw late, like late on that last drive where Sam
fundle something that Sam fumbled, you can't rely on him
to drop back in pure passing situations and and take over.

(01:40:05):
You just you just can't figure says Seahawk secondary Fellasi.
But the wheel brutal. Their offense is no rhythm. Yes,
you're figuring yourself out on the Clinton Cuback. I do
think at some point they'll figure it out. But man,
like you got, you gotta figure it out soon, you got.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
This is the time to strike while the iron is hot,
because the best team in the division, according to most
is now. It's very easy. If they don't get it right,
the Rams could take a step back and we could
be sitting here like we were looking at what was
it two years ago, three years ago where through the
first eight games of the year, the Cardinals was seven
and one or eight. You know, remember we're talking about Coyler.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
That was what was that three years ago? Oh my god,
I can't remember what year that was.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
Yeah, but I want to say, was it the last
year that Kingsbury was the head coach?

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
I believe you could be right? Or was it I
don't don't it was Tyler was MVP consideration and then
he got hurt from all that. Yeah, I don't remember
which season.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
I want to say that was twenty two because I
want to say that's when Ghannon stayed in Arizona and
took the job.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Was it twenty two? It could have been twenty two
or twenty one, because it definitely wasn't twenty twenty three. No,
it was either twenty twenty two or twenty twenty one. Yeah,
one of them. But yeah, it's woo all right, Pete,
great show. We went, we went long, but hey, like
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