Film Don't Lie Week 13: Analyzing the NFC Playoff Picture After Week 13 Bears Take No 1 Seed! _ Film Don_t Lie NFL Show

In this week’s episode of Film Don’t Lie, we analyze the massive shakeup to the NFC Playoff Picture after a weekend of shocking Upset Victories!
The biggest story of the NFL season has arrived: The Chicago Bears take the No. 1 Seed in the NFC standings! But how did this happen, and what does it mean for the other NFC Playoff Contenders like the Rams, Eagles, and Lions?
We dive deep into the Week 13 results, focusing on the games that caused the most chaos:
Bears dominate the Eagles on Black Friday to seize control of the NFC North.
The Los Angeles Rams suffer a devastating upset loss to the Carolina Panthers, dropping them from the top spot.
The tight NFC Wild Card Race involving the Seahawks, Packers, Lions, and Cowboys.
Updated NFC Playoff Standings and projections for the final five weeks of the NFL regular season.
Don't miss our analysis on the NFC Championship race and which team has the easiest (and hardest) remaining NFL schedule!
Finally, we’ll finish up with our “No Huddle” segment, where we quickly touch on topics that come to mind, both NFL-related and unrelated
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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got a lot to discuss. We have a lot to discuss.
We are going to talk about the NFC playoff picture

(00:53):
as we entered December. Why we bringing that up because man,
there were numerous numerous upsets this past thirteen Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Sunday,
like awesome, like and so like this the NFC playoff
picture is it's is a lot of look at it's bananas.

(01:16):
So we're gonna we're gonna dive into that. So with
the first game, we're gonna talk about So we're gonna
break down three different games and then we're gonna talk
about as a whole how we see this thing play out.
So the first game we're gonna get into, of course,
we're let's get into our home, our home turf. We
we're familiar with Eagles versus Bears, all right, So Black Friday, Uh,

(01:41):
Bears dominated the Eagles on the ground. The final score
was twenty four to fifteen something like that. Yeah, yeah,
twenty four fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
The ground.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, uh, I don't know where do you you know what?
Let me let me start with this. So we previewed
it last week, right, and I had given different keys
to the game for the Eagles against the Bears. I
feel like all the major points that I hit on
for keys to the game, the Eagles did none of them.
So stop the run? Did we stop the run? No

(02:16):
play action? Did we defend play actions? Well no, not really.
There was that one touchdown pass and like, yeah, the
on the other side of the ball get home against
kill booms. How many sacks? Barely any what was it?
They were one of the worst defenses in the whole league,

(02:38):
the whole league.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Couldn't run the ball, get the corners back, which we
didn't talk about Johnson College, but they did.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
But they their whole linebacker unit was like injured, no
no success running the ball. Uh. And then what did
I say about the Bears defense? They lead the league
and takeaways twice we turned them over. So it's you
if you don't you feel do a bulk of that.

(03:07):
Of course you're going to lose a game. But let's
get your thoughts. What is the one thing where you
want to say you can either do bear side ego side,
but where do you want to start?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
So bearside? Even last week's show when we preempted the
before the game, I like, we kind of know Ben
Johnson is that dude. We didn't go into it as
much that it probably has it deserved. That's probably the
best offensive mind they played all year outside of Sean McVay,

(03:39):
and it was evident and we kind of talked about, like, hey,
like is there levers that stat Lin can pool in
the run game from a scheme perspective, and Friday's game,
not only did they get beat personnel wise, but the
scheme in the front game. I mean, there was green
grass everywhere from I mean just breaking it down from

(03:59):
wind blocks, traps and our guys kind of said it
on the defensive line, they said, this is kind of
what Atlanda did to us last year, right, these traps,
these double teams, and but what's happening is you will
put Dj Moore in the motion and make Reblanka ship
think about do I take him in the flat? Do
I stay in my lane? Because now zach Baum bumped
and emotion made the linebackers bump over. So everybody was

(04:19):
an A gap, not in the B gap. Everybody was
in the sea gap. Now it's in the B gap, right,
and then the sea gap completely is gone. Not Reblanka
who has to feel that. But now guess what you're
sending Dj Moore out What you thought was a flat,
but he's tried to help block. Now it's a gash play, right,
So from that side of it, hats off to the Bears.
I mean, offensive line is probably playing the best office

(04:41):
of line football in the NFC right now, at least
in the NFC, if not the whole NFL right now.
Hats off to them. And it just our own issues
and inefficiency since it got exacerbated, right, and it almost
feels like we talk about the score twenty four to fifteen,
it feels like they up forty eight. It felt like

(05:03):
they put up forty eight because we haven't seen that defense,
even the Dallas game the week before. It was more
so the Eagles kind of giving the game away and
letting Dallas back into it, and the Dallas took advantage.
Even though Dallas in that game, the Eagles defense as
a whole gave up more yards total. They almost give
a four hundred pass that I think it was like
one hundred and fifty yards rushing, right or something like that.

(05:25):
Something weird. So the total offensive yards in this game
on Friday wasn't as much as a Dallas game, But
this was they got they got out evil. We usually
go in and in the trenches and we're the bigger
We're the bigger batter team. We're the bully. We pushed
people around. We kind of impose our will this game,

(05:48):
no the midway and this is this is that like
they haven't had two rushers over one hundred yards of
Chicago Bears since nineteen eighty five. I don't even know
if you were alive in eighty five.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Nope, I was on the year after.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So yeah, it was just that those were my first
initial thoughts taking away, it's like you called a team
that's playing well, you're not at the wrong time, short
week and after a holiday, and it just seemed that
they came as came out flat. Yeah, they and they

(06:24):
came out flat. And I think it was from the
defensive side. It was just like, hey, when the offensive
inefficiency once they saw it again. I don't know, I
wouldn't say the lack of want two or what have you,
but that I mean, human nature is you're you're if
you're you work in the company, and you are one
side of the business, and you know that one side

(06:44):
of the business has been kind of holding up their
end of the bargain and then some for the past
couple of quarters. Right, so we're talking about corporate world, right,
and now you see this department they still can't get
it right. You know, that's kind of that's kind of
how this is on the defensive side. And say, he
won't come out and say that, but there was definitely
some there was definitely some lackluster efforts there. And it

(07:07):
still boggles my mind in this situation. And no and
no reporter has asked this question that we've seen it
in as much media coverage as this team has in
this area is what we couldn't get Bigsby a look Jahide,
no snaps, like it's just something that was playing, is
just something disciplinary? Was that? Like was that just the
idea from the coaches? What happen? Because you see what's

(07:28):
going on in up up ninety five right now in
New York at dude Carter can't even show up the
meetings on time. He's getting based completely yeah, you know,
and like it's just can be completely know And I
don't know how much of a difference it would have made.
And I would say that the offensive inefficiencies led to

(07:49):
the defense's backbreaking. Essentially there were.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
No amount of times they have to be on the
field amount.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, I would think like top thirty nine to twenty
one or something like that, as thirty one or thirty
one twenty nine. It was it's something weird. I only
think it wasn't thirty one when I was probably thirty
nine twenty one. But like when I say that, it's
like with Bigsby, it's like if you gave him a
touch and not saying what he would have did, but
some type of spark. Right, I was listening to the

(08:18):
phl wad podcast and Fran Duffy and breaking it down
always does a good job, great job for E. J. Smith,
And it's kind of talked about. On one play there
was supposed to be a combo block with Malatta and
got It was supposed to chip to the end, but
the position and for god it was there was nowhere

(08:39):
for Malatta to help because his leverage was completely going.
He was completely stot, completely strange. So and these are
the things that, yes, from from a macro level, we
can all see it. We've been talking about the offensive
inefficiencies all year through twelve games, but these are the
things that only come up on film to where you
see the problem is rooted bigger than that, because now

(09:02):
the lack of execution and the lack of attention to
detail is severely costing this team. And you can go
into we talked about Kaka Terra tyning to block a
d in one on one if you listen to the
same part I did, and made me go back and
look at film with Goddard like this dude ain't even
playing the same way as he was playing last year,
which is which is severely if if he was what

(09:25):
he was last year, especially the run game. From a
block of perspective, this may solve a lot of the
issues for this team because it would be key to
open up the run game for Barkley. M.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, it's it's so many little things, so many like
details of of you know, not having taken up all
the surface block of you know, and it's just everything
is so messy. Everything is just doesn't make sense. Uh.
And I was saying this on Eagles talk, like there's

(09:57):
just even they can turn some things around, like they
can fix something. I just think there's too much to
fix for them to be a viable for them to
reach the super Bowl again. You know. I think in
the end they will make the playoffs. I think they will.
You know, they're not going to look as bad as

(10:19):
they did in twenty twenty three, where they just that
team was just done. They were just dead in the water.
I don't think if that's the case with this team.
But there's too much to turn around and to fix
for them to say, for me to put any confidence
in saying they can represent the NFC in the in
the super Bowl and win it. I just too much.

(10:41):
It's too much to fix. So you know, that's the
ego side of it, and you know we I don't
want to spend too much time talking about the offense
because it's the same stuff, right, I can we can
keep harping on the same issues and it's just gonna
be a waste of time. I don't I don't think

(11:02):
on the defensive side there's anything glaring. I'm overly worried about.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Got the got out scheme like Ben, But Ben Johnson
will do that to you.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's Ben Jon And like you know, Vic Fangio is
one of the best in the business. Even like the
best in the business get out coached sometimes and it
is what it is, it's not.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
And here's what I would just echo to that point
of no team in the NFC has shown me consistently
that they are the team and.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
That's why I would say no team in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, but yeah, expound on that NFL. That's why I said, like,
if they can, they have to find a way to
be the most perfect version of this imperfect team and
that they can keep not say skating by, but they
can find something then potentially what you had. I don't

(11:58):
think this team is different than last team. Right from
a health perspective, from a personal perspective, as much as
they want admit it or not, and then from a
coaching perspective, the ideology perspective is not the same. Yeah,
but when you see little things like everybody's talked about
the DeVante play. We see what Kurt Warner said, miscommunication.
Then when you have those miscommunications like that, those are

(12:21):
the things that at the surface level that has to
be short up. And if you start to see that,
who knows right? And my only thing is in twenty
twenty three, the Cowboys are right behind you the whole year.
Everybody else in the NFC East is completely in your
rear view. If they do not win this division. To
me personally, this is a bigger collapse in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I can understand that. And it's we were looking at
the schedules. Yeah, it's close. It's gonna be very close.
If the Eagles go two and three, right, they finished
with ten to seven. The Cowboys, if you look at
their schedule, they could also finish with ten wins. They
have the tie so they would be ten six and
one and that would be the tiebreaker they would get.

(13:08):
They would win the division. So again, you don't we
don't know how things will play out, and I'm just
it's just projection. But there is a scenario, there is
a possibility where it happens. So you've got to, like
Eagles have to to feel good. I'd say they have

(13:28):
to win at least three at least three games.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
So you figure whether or not Herbert plays Monday. And
this is the thing I would say for me, is
out of the remaining what five games they have left,
I think they take one from the Commanders, they split
there to surface, not even seeing them take another snap
one until Monday, and I think they beat the Raiders,

(13:53):
so they get you at ten, ten and seven, eleven
and six, eleven and six has a lot. I think
eleven and six get you the division.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I think eleven.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I think eleven. I think if you can get to eleven,
you get.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I think that went to division. The Cowboys could win out,
but I think like if they went out, they would
be what would they be if they went.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
There six five and one right now, so they would
be eleven to five and one.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
They would have to lose. Yeah, if they went out
like then, yeah, but I think they lose. I think
it's possible, Like I.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Think they lose Sunday playing Detroit in Detroit because Dallas
and Dallas is a completely different team and I'm not
going to be a believer until they do it on
the road because this is the same team with the
team that we lost to on Friday, Week three or
four of the season, had a forty spot put on
them by the Bears.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah. Yeah, before we'll get we'll get into the Lions.
We're gonna talk about them, but like, yeah, I think
you're losing the line. So I mean four wins for them.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
And they would like comment, like comments, share the show.
I see thirty people here.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Like let us know what you think. But yeah, it's
I think to feel good, you have to win three.
So like the three winnable games on the Eagle schedule
would be the sweep the Commanders, right, win against the Raiders,
and then the Chargers and the Bills are the better
teams on the schedule. If you lose to them too,

(15:19):
but still take care of the Commanders and plus the
two Commanders when would be division wins and meet the Raiders,
then you're in good shape. But again, anything Commanders, yeah, yeah,
it's gonna be tough because it's division. So I get it,
Like the Division game is gonna be close. Are just

(15:41):
saying like if you're stacking the teams, like the Commanders
are good. So like those are your Winnabowl games, so
they've got to they've got to aim for at least three.
So it's it's gonna be close. It's good, it's gonna
be tough. So but like talking about the Bears, So
I'm so sick of talking about the Eagles. Uh what

(16:04):
about the Bears. We talked about, you know, their run
game and we'll get into some clips here. I definitely
want to talk about it because it's what they were
able to do. Just beautiful art from from Ben Johnson.
But they down dominated the run game. They use a
bunch of stuff with like motion, personnel alignments and sequencing
and so it was it was a delight to see.

(16:25):
And if you've paid attention, because I've watched a bunch
of their games, like they've been doing this all year,
well I want it all year. It took them several
weeks to figure it out. But like once they figured
out this run game, man, like this is they've been
doing this stuff. So Ben Johnson is cooking right now.
The passing game wasn't great, but they made timely throws

(16:46):
like Caleb didn't have. But they made timely throws, especially
that dagger to co comet, which we'll get to. So
like the timely throws were there. And like I said before,
the defense, not only did they stigny the offense, which
is I mean, it's no hard feat at the moment,
but they created two turnovers which they consistently have done.

(17:08):
You know, got the buyered pick, which is a great
play by him, and then uh, who was the one
that came in and got the fumble? Was right? That
was all right? Yes, the guy that I had said
gets interesting, like he creates turnovers. So yeah, so it's
it was just.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
And I never thought I would say this, but unless
we're on the goal line, I don't want to see
the test bush because if you look at a test
brush for twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, and you
just look at Jalen's level, his height, level of where
he's at his to the ground, he's at least six
to eight inches lower to the ground two years ago

(17:50):
to what he is now. He's he's then there almost
halfway standing up. And they're doing that now on purpose.
To rip the ball out. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
But they they switched up the alignments of Saquon and
gard it so seg and guarded weren't protecting Hurts his
sides anymore for this one. They changed them last week.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
They're trying to get maybe a lighter box or trying
to see if they can get that trip play like
we had to Tampa Bay out of it. But even
Jalen said, like, he's a is it getting harder to
run the touch push? And he was like, yes, yeah,
he's He's like, it's it's straight up getting harder. Like
it's people, he says, it's literally people holding me upright
where I'm trying to get down and I'm being held

(18:31):
to be upright because the whistles are so slow and
so that's where and then the one that we had
like has some effective runs with that, you know, like
not just prepaying. I get it. I don't want to
go to don trap again with the offense, but yeah, as.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
You were speaking of the offense, like to switch it
to the Bears and what they were doing. I want
to get to some clips here. So you know, we
talk about like me and you we always talk about
when it comes to offensive offensive resard to it. Sequencing
is so so key. And I remember I said last

(19:11):
week too, we were talking about how an offense, if
your offensive line is not blocking well or like it's
not working, what can a good offensive coordinator do to
improve schematically the run game? Right? And I had said before,
like I said, okay, motions right, disguise, get do things

(19:35):
to get the defense thinking, and then marry your run
concepts with your past concepts. And we saw that with
Ben Johnson and the Bears. I'm gonna bring up these plays.
So it's these I have three places here.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
This is the first one.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
This is the first quarter or no, sorry, third quarter,
very beginning of it, right, so we're going to have
let me get this out. So there's a third quarter
for forty nine mark, it's first and tent right. Uh,
this is actually going to be a sweep over to
They're gonna give this to what is it us? Jet

(20:14):
sweep over to DJ Moore. I'm sorry, yeah, jet sweep
to Dj Moore. He's he's circled here, he's the target,
and I've circled Sidney Brown up top. I want you
to see what Sidney Brown does because they are playing
to this. You know, reblanking ship is in the box.
They're playing this numbers through the passing strength. Well, you're
gonna see here. Once DJ Moore goes in motion, there's

(20:37):
no rotation, right, so they don't rotate down until it's
too late. Now you see here DJ Moore has has
the ball. I numbered them. There's one, two, three defenders
for the Eagles on this side of the formation. Two blockers.
But look at the levels that they're on. Jenney Brown

(20:57):
number one, he's all the way in the three level
to second level threes and then well too, I'd say
that's still Dorri Jackson is still in the in the
third level, while I forget who's number three? Is that
exact one? I forget whose number three? But he's he's
in the second level. So there's there's so much space

(21:20):
to work with, you know, for DJ Moore to work
with here. So this is what leads to this big
game right here. Right, So that's the first play that
was okay, So let's now go to later in the quarter.
There's four to thirty three mark first and ten. Right Now,
look who I'm targeting. Kamanong guy is going to get

(21:41):
the ball, right, So this is going to be a handoff.
Look at the rotations. Okay, so we're gonna get jet
motion again right from the from the wide receiver. I
think this is a dude. Say correct me if I'm wrong, right,
So I apologize if I'm wrong. I think this is
a dudes. He is going to go in motion.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, he plays a long sleeves time.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So because of the first play, look at the safeties rotating.
Look at the blanket ship and Sydney. Look at them
hard rotate. Now, reed is hard rot to the back.
Sydney's coming down hard to that side. But no, a dunce,
he doesn't have the ball. This is the handoff to
the weak side to Manong Guy. Now look at the

(22:25):
numbers once again to this side, to the strength side
of the formation. Right of the strength side of the
strong side of the play, there is one, two, three
players in the second and second third levels right, three
defenders and all this room once again for the runner

(22:46):
to work with. And this goes. I think this was
like thirty something yards. So Kamonong Guy rips off a
huge game there, so your starting.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
It was the first play after they scored a touchdown
to Yeah, before we even expound that even more if
you go back about five or six seconds. For a
gun guy to even get to that part, and for
our guys to even over rotate, it's being one at
the stat Yeah, one space and how much we're getting.

(23:15):
Look at their completely turning.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Look snap and then look this is yes?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Is that a drummo The second one from the top,
his back you can almost see the back of his
with the double team went block. So and you we
got Brandon Graham down at the bottom, double team, single
block Davis. He's getting stood up. I mean not that
it is, but he's not the objective you can live

(23:42):
with that. What Ben Johnson's main goal is is to
get these to the double team blocks and get this
lane open from a guy.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah. And that's the other thing to this. Not only schematically,
were the Bears able to manipulate the numbers to their advantage.
Their old line was dominating our defensive line. So they're
not it's twofold. It's it's crazy. So all the space,

(24:11):
there's just so much room from a young guy to
work with, and he rips off this long run right
building and sequencing these plays. But now you have the
kill shot and then the last play, I'm gonna get
to kill shot here. We all know it. But play action.
There's I highlighted target is commit. He's in line right there. Okay,

(24:32):
so he's in line. Now, look at both safeties Sidney
Brown and Reid. Look how hard they bite off.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
This play and this important getting game.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Over, sell over commit and it's just too easy. Like read,
there's no way he can catch up with this. If
he had, if he was in the deep middle, he
could possibly make a play on this. But because he
had to commit to the run, there's there's no way
he's gonna catch this. And that's a touchdown to commit.
So yeah, it's a beauty when you sequence these plays

(25:09):
and when you you're able to say, hey, look we're
going to marry these concepts. You are. You are one
one look right from one play looks so similar to
what you're doing the next play, and you're keeping the
defense guessing and then you're marrying that over to the
passing game. So that's exactly what we're talking about. This

(25:32):
is how skramatically you can help out your offense. Now again,
I said that the the run blocking for the Bears
was awesome, So yeah, they they it's not like they were.
They were getting beat on the lines. They were winning too.
But this stuff, if Kevin Patula was able to do
some of this stuff, it would help out the blocking

(25:55):
so much because the defense wouldn't be able to commit
the way that defense wouldn't be able to over commit
to the to stop the run the way they are,
it's superdicuable.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So it stopped to run. And they're also from an
ego perspective, we're not executing to make them pay to
even get them to come out of it, right. So
it's you need a lot to happen, and you need
it sounds cliche, is but you need everybody to do

(26:26):
their job to communicate and just win their battle when
when they're win that play for their role to make
for the bigger picture to be successful. Yeah, and it's
just it's not happening. I don't think it's. Once again,
it's hard to be to add layers when you're not executing.
So when you hear Sianni say like, after this game,

(26:47):
we gotta get back to me, we gotta figure out
I gotta look inward, that is true because in order
to even prepare a five course meal, you've got to
be able to do scrambled eggs, and they can't even
do tremble eggs right now consistently, you know what I mean.
So you can't I can't expect you to give me

(27:08):
an exquisite creative dish if you can't do the basic
stuff right for whatever reason and not coaching it up
Monday through Friday. It's just a disconnecting the meeting room.
From a game plan perspective, if the game plan is
trash and we can't pivot to something else, it's it's

(27:28):
a combination of everything, of all these factors and now
and this this is definitely true when you start to
see a team lose games and multitudes of ways. Yeah,
from losing the getting the big lead, losing and then
losing that away Denver game, having the league, losing at

(27:48):
the last second, and then you have this game, you
had the Giants game, Like, this team has lost a
game one of these four losses, every which way you
can think of. But I would say this lost prop
from just from a optic perspective. They never felt like
they were in the game.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah, never, like never did even after the interception.
It's just like, yeah, yeah, so that's yeah. Bears Eagles.
Good job by the Bears, who now lead They are
the number one sea in the NSC right now. That

(28:28):
obviously that can change, but right now they're the number
one seed. Awesome and stuff like that. So I want
to now let's get into the game from Thanksgiving or
one of the games. The first game from Thanksgiving. Lions Packers, right,
two teams you were before the season. You were on
the Lions. I was on the Packers. They won. Packers

(28:50):
won the week one matchup, and weeks into the season,
Packers kind of looked up and down a little bit.
The Lions are rolling, but now the Lions have kind
of hit a skin. Packers are now starting to roll.
With this win, they looked impressive and the Packers beat

(29:14):
the Lions on thanks Given the first thing I want
to say that made the difference here, and this is
what I've been We talked about this a couple of
weeks ago. We were talking about the Packers. You know,
the loss to the to the Eagles is it felt
like it felt like Lafloor was calling games so conservatively.

(29:38):
But this game against the Lions, they they they threw downfield.
They finally let Jordan Love attack downfield. The number is
starting deep in this game. I mean seven of eleven
on deep throws, a sixty three point six completion rate,
one hundred and seventy seven yards, two touchdowns. The EPA

(29:59):
per on those throws was plus one point five. And
you had two guys Christian Watson two catches UH for
sixty eight yards and a touchdown. One of them was
a fifty yard fifty one yard touchdown, So those were
these are I'm just saying his numbers from deep throws.
Dnavian Wicks on deep throws four catches for eighty six yards,

(30:21):
one touchdown, and the one touchdown in he had was
a twenty two yard touchdown. So bomb's away. That's that
was the difference. And this is the type of offense
that you want to see them have if they're going
to have success. Losing Tucker Craft was a big loss,
and I still think that could be very instrumental, but hey,

(30:43):
they're getting Jayden Reid back soon, who's going to be
a Yak threat. So they couldn't make noise in the playoffs,
and I think it's time we start taking them seriously
because if they're going to call games like this and
Jordan Love, who has been really good this year, answering
a lot of a lot of critics, you know, doubts

(31:04):
about his performance, what he's people doing. He's been playing
overall really well. So it's they're they're for real Packers
I think need to be what that little contender.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I mean the divisional games was a little tough
because I mean the Panthers beat them. They're like just
the consistency, like you just don't know three or four
weeks from now, but we're going to see the same
Packers team, right, and I think I just think it's
wide open. I like what I saw. I mean a
lot of that stuff was on fourth down, so Detroit

(31:41):
just couldn't get off the field. Also, once again for
the second year, the road is starting to be depleted
on the defensive side. Terry Arnor might be done for
the year, the regular season at least, So, uh, I
like what I saw Packers out of the Packers Lions,
I don't know. I mean we talked about you talked
about soccer craft think just went off for the lines

(32:01):
to losing Samaporta is huge and it's very big in
the run game and what you do out of that,
right with what you're able to do out of those
looks whereas it look like a run play, but you
get like that play action and you get like a
cold commit like touchdown. So I will say this, I
even with the package doing that Chicago, I still think

(32:25):
it is playing better than both of those teams.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think right now, yeah, I would agree with that.
I would agree with that. It's it's tough to say
because the Bears haven't had a huge test before before
they played the Eagles. Again, the Bears defense is probably
a concern, but if they continue to take the ball
away at two turnovers a game, that's that that makes

(32:50):
up for a lot of stuff. It makes up for
a lot of stuff. So yeah, they can Right now,
they're the hot hand. I think if the Packers play
to what they're capable of playing, they are the better team.
But you know, continuously, like Matt Lafore, continue to put
the pedal to the metal, get to be aggressive, continue

(33:13):
to be aggressive the Lions. For on the Lion side,
it's just like you mentioned concerns with you know, injuries.
I mean amand Saint Brown left really early in this game, so.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
High ankle spring.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I think a medium and spraying medium were lowles. It
wasn't a high ankle spring, so it wasn't curious from
what I remember. But yeah, they they're in tiar of
Their offensive line continues to be an issue. They It
was kind of weird. Frank ragnow return from retirement, is
supposed to come back. Now he has an injury and

(33:47):
he's back retired. So that's that's tough to digest. Uh.
And right now, the chances I think for the Lions
to even make the playoffs right now it's low fifty percent.
It's like forty something for them to get in. Really, yeah,

(34:09):
it's they are on the outside.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Their record is what seven and six.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Seven and five, seven and five. Yeah, So like I'll
bring up the NFC playoffs standing.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
So I mean two from the NFC West, definitely get in.
Two maybe three from the NFC North. Get in one
from the South and one from the East.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Let me see playoff picture. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I want Carolina to win the South so bad.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Oh, that would be fun, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
It's just like the game that they played against the
Rams is the game that they had the opportunity to
play Monday night against the Niners. They just couldn't capitalize. Yeah,
they had like they had the turnovers, if not more,
it's just on characteristic they could turn their turnovers into points,
and on Sunday against the Rams they were able to.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah. So Bears are the division. There are one Rams
are two seed, Eagles right now are three seed, Buccaneers
are four seed, The fifth seed is the Seahawks nine
and three. Packers are the sixth seed at eight three
and one, Niners are nine and four as the seventh seed,
and then yeah, the Lions are seven and five. So
there there are two games out of that other wild

(35:23):
card spot.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah. So you said Packers are the sixth seed seed.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, here, let me i'll I'll so that the.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Sixth seed ahead of San Francisco because of the time
they have one less loss.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, one less loss. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I wouldn't want to see the pack There's no team
and that you just mentioned that's has a playoff chance
that I would want to see. If I'm the Eagles
right down, even if it was Dallas, I would I would. Yeah,
I'm not. I wouldn't want to risk that. I wouldn't
want to risk that at all.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Here, I hear you. Let me try to zoom out
so we can get thing. So, yeah, this is what
the Bears one, Rams too, Egals, three Buccaneers for Seahawks,
five Packers six nine or seven Lions at eight Cowboys
over there in nine. So we'll get back to this.

(36:16):
That's a quick deal. We'll get back to this when
we get into the you know, the other discussion. But yeah,
it's that was an impressive win for the Packers, pivotal
win for the Packers as they you know, keep pace
with the Bears. Anything else from that end you wanted
to talk.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
About, No, I mean great Thanksgiving game, Thanksgiving tradition, good
game opportunities had on both teams. Uh, and that the
floor stops he stopped coaching conservatively, Yeah, the key to
the game.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, Brandon Brandon b uh fifty four fifty to forty
said the Packers will be the one seed. So he
thinks the Packers will want to be the one seed.
We shall see it. They could if they keep playing
this way. The other game, let's talk about probably one
of the bigger upsets of the season. Panthers win one

(37:11):
against the Rams, who many including myself, looked at as
the best team in the league.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
A team this year gets crowned the best team in
the league. This happen.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
And I felt so bad. Shout so shout out to
my friend Warren before the game started on Sunday, He's like,
he's he was asking me for advice on Survivor and
he had a handful of games. He said, you know,
pick either like Miami over the Saints or what was
the other one, the Niners in the Niners game and

(37:47):
then Rams over over Panthers. Heyes, which one do I
feel the most confident? And I told him Rams. He's like,
you're not concerned about West Coast team going to the
East Coast And I'm like, that's a factor, but I
just matchup wise. I don't see how different and I

(38:07):
look like such an idiot. I felt so bad. I
was like, jeez, so I was really wrong. Well, what
I will say is the Rams did have a fifty
eight percent success rate throughout the game, so they were
offense was still moving, they were still moving the ball.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Think Davante had two touchdowns. I'm not mistaken. Yeah, two touchdowns,
had amazing one hand sick catch.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, But I mean that.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
The thing about the Panthers is they don't make a
lot of mistakes. The defense places saut and then there's
they're balanced. And now earlier in the years, I think
the Panthers are seven and five to or seven and
six something like that. Earlier they were really doing with
the run game. But now because of that, team just
started to transition and you're starting to see the pass
game come alive. And mc millan man, McMillan, get who's

(39:01):
the other one they have the other wide receiver? I
can't remember Cocker Cocker Cocker right, even a tight end,
I forget the tight end that they have too, But
starting to spread the wealth. Dave Canalis, who's offensive line,
you would think that he would still like he's he's
starting to find his groove.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yes, yeah, Brandon Bryce's ground he is. We'll get to
a brace competition a bit because I definitely want to
touch on them. But uh, what the Panthers are able
to do because you talk about balance, right, Like they
don't rip off a lot of explosive runs, but they
they are consistently they'll grind you down. That's the That's

(39:44):
like l Rico Dado and you know Chubb behind him,
like they don't they're not going to pick up chunk gains.
But they're going to consistently grind out tough yards and
just you know where you out, where you got at.
The game was on. So that's what they did. And
And then did you know this, because I did not know.
The Panthers are third in the NFL when it comes

(40:08):
to EPA performance on fourth down the third an average
EPA per play on fourth downs is plus one point
three sixty five. Yeah, third in the league. It's insane,
Like that's so crazy. And they had in this game
two fourth down touchdowns, one to Cocher and then the

(40:28):
other the other two was was it tet was a McMillan.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yea Tet was on the far side of the formation,
and I think he kind of ran across the cross
and then he seen the opportunity. He got upfield and.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
It was gone. Yeah, beautiful passes by Bryce, like even
like the Cocher won, like beautiful touch So it was
just like they were able to convert on fourth down.
Keep it close with their brown game. And again I
know like the Rams had a fifty eight fifty eight
percent success rate with their offense. They were moving. The

(41:07):
issue is the three tone numbers, the three turns. One
was a pick six so that's what did the Rams in.
That's like, do I think this is a trend of
who the Rams are? No, I don't think. I think
this is again like a game West Coast team traveling
to the east early in the early slot and they're

(41:28):
playing a tough Carolina team.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Mm hmm in Carolina travel east coast to west, from
West coast to east. Yea early game.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's just you commit three tone numbers like that. It
just it just happens. In the Panthers capitalized, So, you know,
kudos to the Panther last week. They was it. No,
that was a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
That was a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, they play old I haven't They played the Buck
the Buck, Yeah, and they blew them out.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So this you could kind of say that this was
probably a trap game, yeah for the Rams. Yeah, but
I mean it definitely helped everybody else in the NFC
as a whole, because people thought they were about to
run the table and finish fifteen to two.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, you know, yep, Brandon says, fourth down is the
new down. Old school fans don't get Yeah, for everyone's
don't don't forget who started the trend. Doug Peterson he
started to turn in twenty seventeen. I'm going for it
all the time on fourth down. So yeah, kudosa Doug.
But yeah, it's awesome what they were able to do.
Let me ask you this, talk about this because I

(42:41):
don't know if you want do you want me to
answer this question? It's gonna be with I don't know,
but let's discuss it. What are your overall thoughts We
touched on it a little bit last week? What are
your thoughts on Braceshaw? Is he? Is he the guy
for the Panthers? Is he? What's his ceiling?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Like? He's brought some stock into putting faith in him
as a guy. He's no longer that b us t word.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
He's bust. The thing that I am wondering is because,
like watching Bryce throughout the year, if you took if
you looked solely at his highlights, you'd be like, Yo,
this guy is balling right if you look at that,
because some of his best throws are phenomenal place like

(43:33):
phenomenal place. The problem is, if you look at the
whole picture, a lot of his low lights are so bad.
They're so bad because he's he's short and he's physically limited,
like he's it's he he doesn't have the arm talent.
He's not a superb athlete. So what he is capable

(43:58):
to capable of doing in terms of high level plays,
you'd see it from like a Lamar Jackson, a Josh Allen.
You know, Drake May he doesn't have that type of
physical talent, right, so he has to play a certain

(44:20):
way and when he plays and when he's on, he
looks good.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
He looks good just right here. His career, his career
is going to be up and down based on what
his confidence in his own self is, his confidence in
itself and his belief in what they're calling his belief
and the game plan is. Believing what he's seeing on
the field is going to pay more into play, more

(44:46):
into what his overall success is going to be. I
think he's brought time to for Carolina and the fans
base to believe in him, Like let's get let's see
what this guy truly has, right, And I would say,
like you talk about the physical traits, he doesn't have them,
which is all but evident. Right, There's so we'll use

(45:09):
the anausers to another sport in golf. Right, you look at
a typical golfer who has a bill that can hit
the ball for has a lot of ball speed, and
a lot of that comes from whiplash and being in
length and building momentum gradually. In order to usually that,
you need a guy with long arms, usually tall above
six feet six one six two. Think it's someone like

(45:30):
a Michael Phelps or something like that. Or if you
look at Scott's like people don't realize Scotty cheer and
golfer was like six' four kind of plays into a
part of what you're, Saying like Bright shunk doesn't look the,
part but he maximizes his efficiency for what he. Does
the mental game between the, ears he like it almost
was like he had to he almost had to prove

(45:54):
it to hisself as well that he can do. It.
Now it's almost like he's on the, court it's playing
out just everything is all new and he's not having.
Success AM i still that? Guy? Right? AM i still that?
Guy AND i? Am AND i think just as much
as it that has balanced as they are on, OFFENSE

(46:14):
i think the biggest key to them is their. Defense
It's Derek brown stepping, Up Jason warren being, healthy you,
know WHAT i. Mean so that's and, that and that
defense travels and the run game. Travels i'm not saying
that they're going to go to the conference championship, game
BUT i would not be surprised that they playing in
the divisional.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
World they have good stuff on that. Team they're, building
so they have some really tantalizing things that they're, doing
and the arrow is absolutely pointing up on the. TEAM
i just think THAT i what makes me because you're
because you're, saying, like he maximizes what he can what

(46:55):
he can, do he maximizes the physical tools that he does.
Have it's not consistent, enough, though like you it's again
you're the whole, Year like there were some he looked
bad in, strutches like really really, bad and you can't
just ignore, that, right but you can't ignore like how

(47:18):
good he looks when he's. On so that's that's Where i'm.
AT i, AM i don't. KNOW i just NOW i
think in terms of like deciding his future with The,
PANTHERS i think he absolutely has bought himself another, year
AND i think the best route would be to bring
in a veteran TO i guess like push. Him we

(47:43):
can say, compete, right we can think.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
There's nothing he could do this season to avoid to
avert that. Happened what do you mean overt like these
last five, games and he continues to play at the
high level that he's playing now and maybe he stakes
a playoff, win do you still feel the same.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
In terms of bringing in. Competition, yeah. Mhm if he
plays like he did in the past two, games and
if he plays like and how he's looked in those
games were how he was playing at the end of last,
Season if he plays every single, game almost almost every

(48:23):
single game from here on out like, that then, sure, no,
no no. Competition thing is DO i have faith that
he will be able to consistently do? THAT i don't
THINK i. DO i think WE'RE i think we're still
going to see lows from him when it comes to.
Consistency and so that's Where i'm, like you, like exercise his, option,

(48:45):
Right like exercise, option let his contract play out In,
carolina to write it out and see what he can.
Do because you, KNOW i appreach the episode you weren't
on with. ME i had preached that like there's no
development and patience that when it comes to the quarterback
position and SO i am all For, yeah it's like

(49:10):
it's like you have four years to prove us if
you're the, guy and after that you're. Done like it's
sometimes it's not fair and and no development progression is not.
Linear so absolutely have you, know exercise his option and
play it out with the five years and see where it.
GOES i just think that you need to to to

(49:30):
maybe help bring along that progression and development having competition next,
year like legitimate not Like Andy, Dalton like get in
a legitimate veteran who could be a viable, starter like
a bridge. Quarterback get him in here to, say, Hey,
bryce you've got to be more consistent or else you
are going to be benched for this. Guy so, yeah

(49:54):
like bring that in to kind of see where it.
Goes SO i think he's bought himself another you, know
he's bought himself another year at the very. Least BUT
i just the, Question, marso what exactly can his ceiling
be and how much support from a team perspective does

(50:16):
he need to get you for him to get you
where you want to go in you, know long. Term
SO i DON'T i don't know the answers to that.
Question uh gone in my, HEAD i think his his
ceiling is his max out like career, wise is maybe

(50:36):
like A Baker. Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
MAYBE i, MEAN i may have a slight a slight
tat above that just because he is younger AND i
think he can get answered. Earlier we see what Like
brandon same match made In heaven to go to The.
STEELERS i can kind of see that as. WELL i
think he'll just have a better opportunity earlier in his

(50:59):
career Verse.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Baker, Yeah LIKE i do agree that his his team
now is on the up and, numb Whereas, baker like
with The browns that have. Anything, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i just
if there's a path through a successful career and what
he could. MAXIMIZE i THINK i look At baker as.
Similar you, know they're not like completely one on one
to one, comparisons but LIKE i, see, like you, Know,

(51:22):
baker what would you, say like he's a top ten
to fifteen quarterback, Right.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
YEAH i would say top. TEN i would say like between,
eight eight and twelve quarterback in the.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
LEAGUE i think that's like the max THAT i See
bryce could. Become but like that's if he hits. THAT
i think that's the. Max that's if he gets to,
That so, yeah it's it's it's A brandon does have
some some. Input he says like he says his best
years will not be On carolina In, carolina so that's
that's very very. Possible he does Say bryce Equals caleb.

(51:52):
CAREER i definitely disagree with. THAT i Think caleb is
shown like that physical, talent like it's it's it's significally
better than When bryce. Has caleb's the Way caleb spins the,
ball the way like he's able to throw, it that's
just it's it's. Crazy he also has to Put bryce
on The. Seahawks does he went? THERE i. DON'T i

(52:19):
think with the way That Sam donald playing, Now donald
is the better. QUARTERBACK i think Because donald is able
TO i don't want people to forget That donald has
arm talent Like donald can throw. It he's he was,
like well he was a number one overall pick? Right

(52:40):
was he number one? Overall but he?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Was donald was like he was the top. Five he
wasn't number one?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Overall, okay but he was drafted. Early so he was
drafted early for a. Reason he has physical. Tools it's
just that for some reason he hay wires and throws
inexpect like commits inexplicable, turnovers but like he can spin
it and like to that benefit of The seahawks him
letting it, go that that has led to the most

(53:07):
explosive passing offense in the. League SO i Think donald
gives a higher ceiling as a quarterback than What bryce.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Does right right? Now, Okay so.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
But, yeah a good discussion On bryce BECAUSE i know
it's so. Tough he's like an enigma almost like how
do you VIEW i don't, Know LIKE i really really don't.
Know we could look at this three years from now
and LIKE i could be LIKE i was so wrong on,
Him like he's like like what if top ten quarterback
or like we could be looking at this three years
from now and he's a fringe, starter like a you,

(53:45):
know high quality. Backup AND i also wouldn't be. Surprised
SO i see a range of outcomes when it comes To.
Bryce well we'll, see all. Right so those are the three. Games,
now let's get back to THE nfc playoff. Picture that
is one to want to look, at and there are
some other teams we need to also. Discuss so let's

(54:08):
share a. Screen go back to the back to. This
let me zoom in a limit so we can kind of.
SEE i want to focus it on just THE. NFC
i can't scroll his CAN i all, right, well let's
we'll look at just THE nfc. Side so where DO

(54:28):
i want to go? This so The bucks we talked
about The panthers books are at seven and, Five panthers
are at seven and. Six, uh The panthers Are panthers
have to be on the bye week this, week right
on the bye. Week, yes, yeah they could be THE Nfc.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
South who's who did The bucks play this?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Week, oh let's see booking news. Schedule The bucks PLAY
i think The. Saints so they Are saints home to The,
saints home to The, falcons at The. Panthers So bucks

(55:08):
And panthers play each other twice in the last three.
Weeks so, yeah at The panthers and then The bucks
are at The, dolphins and then they're home to finish
off the season against The. Panthers those two games could
be like, hiding that's, crazy that's not a.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
MAN i would went now with The bucks and guy
went Back mayfield not missing any, Time Bucky irvin coming
back as, Well like that's going to BE i kind
of LIKE i feel like The panthers low key are
just are like The, bears just not as, glamorous not

(55:51):
just not as, glamor LIKE i feel like they're playing
more consistent.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Football, WELL i, mean they got blown out by The,
niners and that's what.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
And that's where if you go back and watch that
game in, evacuum like they had.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Opportunities they had, opportunities they just couldn't capitalize on the turnovers.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Exactly WHICH i think they learned from this Past. Sunday
so if they turned any of those into points and
then canals isn't chasing points or four thousand turn and
channeling his Inner Dan, campbell that game may turn out.
DIFFERENT i, mean, like when's the last time you ever
heard you losing a turnover battle by one or two

(56:32):
turnovers and still winning the, game LIKE i think. It
pardy had three or four picks in that, game was
turning the. Ball that's, Like that's WHY i, said like
they put themselves in. There this one of those things
you gotta learn how to. Win BUT i mean for
The bucks, THEMSELVES i just getting. Healthy but at the same,
TIME i JUST i DON'T i don't know what the
SHOT i, mean And buka's production has went down significantly

(56:54):
from earlier in the. SEASON i THINK i probably my
heart wants to Say, panthers but my mind is Saying.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
BUCKS i think that's Where i'm at. TOO i think
Logically i'm going to Say, bucks BUT i mean we
there's absolutely a path where The panthers win this out
AND i would love. THAT i would absolutely love for
The panthers to win THE Nfc. South that would be.
Awesome that would be. Awesome the other THING Nfc. West

(57:26):
uh UH i, see, So Brandon quick, says missing the
end of the season Turn panthers are. Turning i'm a
pack of. Yeah, NO i hear. You they, are, like
because that's the, Thing like The bucks are kind of
trending downward as The panthers turning. Upwards SO i would
love to see The panther take that. DIVISION i think
it's absolutely. Possible they just can't have any more lutdowns

(57:49):
like they you, know they've gotta they gotta really really
like be on their on their game for the rest
of the for the rest of the. Season. UH i
don't See. West so the The, Hawks, seahawks let's see
they play because we didn't even talk about their. Game
they want to. Get, obviously the DEFENSIVE i, THINK i

(58:12):
think after The, texans the next best.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Defensive it took like MacDonald two, years but he got.
It he's doing.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
High they beat The titans and then they beat The,
vikings The mas The vikings and crap.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Game, yeah he.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Wouldn't play, well but he didn't need.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
To think to catchers streak very very.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Little surprisingly, though like uh, WELL i guess you could say,
surprisingly but not. Really you, know the ground game was
it wasn't. Bad uh it was. Efficient Uh Ken walker
doing his. Thing The sharps got into the end. Zone
so it's you, know good to see if the ground
game is on the. Uptick but, yeah The seahawks, there The.

(59:00):
Falcons they're home against The. Colts that's another good. One another,
team The. Colts we haven't talked ABOUT afc. Yet The
colts are kind of like they're they're feeling it now
after being hot early on the. Season but Then december
eighteenth is the Rematch rams Versus, seahawks huge In, seattle
In seattle this, time and that's that is a primetime.

(59:22):
Game So i've got that game circled LIKE i. Should
they should have won the first. One SO i am
very excited about. That they. Are they are playing very very,
well especially on the. Defense LIKE i, said they ARE
i think second best defense behind The. Texans you want

(59:43):
you had, THIS i wanted to talk about. This you
had this question in one of our, chats very very interesting.
Question you, asked would The seahawks have been better off
if they had if they Kept? Gino or Was Sam
darnold the. Choice i'm gonna let you answer that. First.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
THERE i feel Like gino takes more chances To. SAM
i feel like the Arm town is kind of, similar
But gino would scramble more. Athletic, YES i kind of
think they would be within like a one to two win.
RANGE i think, similar very very, similar very similar because

(01:00:32):
because the defense is better this. Year yeah you, know uh,
YEAH i think it would be what a nine and
four now nine and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Three eight and, three eight and, three hold, on, sorry
nine and Three?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Rams, yeah so, YEAH i think they probably nine and.
Three who the losses, too they lost to The, rams.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Loss of The, rams lots of the lost to The. Bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, Yeah SO i would say they would either be
ten and two or eight and five or eight and
four like within that. RANGE i don't think there would
be that much. VARIANCE i think it may look a
little bit. DIFFERENT i feel like And gino didn't scramble a,
lot didn't do. That BUT i don't know for whatever,
REASON i feel LIKE k nine was has been more

(01:01:30):
effective When gina was the. Quarterback quarterback, different it's a different,
scheme it's it's BUT i don't think there's too much.
Variance gina would still love to be. THERE i can
tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Would he, though BECAUSE i don't know like he's he,
was he was also eager to get out of, THERE i.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Think do you think that was him and his friction
with the organization or some friction maybe he had with
THE K.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I think that WAS.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Don't i'm. NOT i wouldn't need A seahawks insider to to,
think BUT i. Don't from WHAT i had, Read gino
kind of wanted to go, ELSEWHERE i, think BUT i
think it it mainly stemmed from. CONTRACT i think the
moneygriven so like he wanted more than what The seahawks

(01:02:29):
were willing to give. HIM i So i'm looking at this,
like you, know Or, sam if we're not if we're
not going to because if we're gonna include, contract, RIGHT
i think what they're able to do now With sam

(01:02:49):
and and, like let me let me get their contracts
up before BEFORE i say, that BECAUSE i.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Want to be one three year seventy, million seventy five.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Or something like. That let me see see until donal.
Contracts So Sam don's contract is three, years one hundred
one hundred point five. Million Uh geno's is two years
seventy five. Million let me see the details BECAUSE i
want to see when there's a potential.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Out two years seventy, five.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Two years seventy, FIVE i average.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
A thirty seven point five.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Million, yeah there's a potential. Out so you, like so
we're five, six he would have a dead cap hit
of eighteen and a half Mili Geno, smith So Gino,
smith if they were to bait is His this is

(01:03:48):
just a very like surface level look at. IT i
believe it says dead cap eighteen point, five so the
out wouldn't be until twenty twenty. Six after twenty Six
donald so, Yes Adela smith has a cap pit this
year Of, sorry this is going really. SLOW i think

(01:04:10):
got too many times. Open let me uh let me
stop sharing, this, okay stop share, okay too many times. Open,
Okay So Gino smith, contract his cap pit is forty
million this, year twenty six million next. Year Now Sam

(01:04:33):
donald has a cap hit of thirteen million this, year
but next year it spikes to thirty, three and then
his potential out is this, thing his potential out on
this contract twenty twenty. Seven so their, contracts the potential
outs would be. Similar so they're tied in pretty much.

(01:04:57):
Financials their respective teams want to take a capital of
significant amount if they want to get cut bait after the,
season WHICH i don't. See but, yeah the cap pit
For darnold spikes from thirteen to thirty three next, year
Whereas gino's is the bigger cap hit now goes down

(01:05:18):
to twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Six, so LIKE.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I, guess it depends like what's your what's how you
want to break it, down you, know, which like which
year you want to be paying higher to which. Quarterback
it's so close because When gino was In, seattle he
was playing really, well like very very very, underrated and

(01:05:45):
it's hard to it seems silly to say now because
with The raiders he's playing so, poorly like he's one
of the worst quarterbacks in the. League so it's hard to,
say but like If i'm just looking at how he
was In, SEATTLE i, DON'T i don't, know AND i
liked him a. Lot BUT i think also with because

(01:06:06):
they brought In kubiak and to all together as a,
unit that the coaching staff Targeted Sam, DONALD i, think
and a lot of it was scheme. Fit not to
say That Gino smith couldn't run this type of, offense
BUT i THINK i think That Sam donald was is

(01:06:27):
more of a scheme fit for this type of offense
Than gino. Is SO i, think IF i were to
when it comes down to, it got in my, HEAD
i think The seahawks are better off With Sam donald
because of, fit and they had more financial flexibility this
season than they do next. Year so it's a good question,

(01:06:51):
though that's WHAT i wanted to ask. IT i was,
LIKE i don't, know it's so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
CLOSE i want to say it's splitting, hairs but it's
almost as close as you can. Get, Yeah, brandon it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Close and Again I'm i'm not looking at it as
How gino is playing, Now i'm looking at it as
how he was playing with The.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Seahawks SO i know we kind of kind of with
the tangent because we were talking about this, question but
we kind of looked at the, division right Because i'm
not mistaking The niners are also Not they're either nine
and four or nine and. THREE i think they are
this week. Too, yeah SO i feel LIKE i added

(01:07:33):
those three. TEAMS i have the least faith in The.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Niners, YEAH i do, too because LIKE i don't know their.
Defense i'm not sold on their. Defense, NO i know
they're they're they're riding THE cmc train like he is their.
Offense so it is what it. Is but Like party
hasn't looked great since coming. Back and it's a shame
because last year when everyone else was, Hurt party was.

(01:07:57):
Awesome people don't realize. That pretty it was awesome last.
Year but now like he gets, hurt he comes back
and he just doesn't look the. Same he. Doesn't, Yeah
so The niners have The titans when they come back
from by and then they're at The. Colts then they
they're home against The, bears and then they finished the

(01:08:19):
season against The. Seahawks so they've got a tough three
games and is. Tough, yeah cold schedule is. Tough SO
i know their, schedules and so that's Why i'm, like
you started to get a little bit concerned about The.
Colts but, YEAH i do, think, Yeah niners are right,

(01:08:42):
there and shout out to them for somehow getting into
nine and, four somehow getting to nine and. Four but,
yeah LIKE i. DON'T i think it's still Either seahawks
or not Or seahawks are. Rams that's gonna come down
to the for the division in The. West we talked
about The east The.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
North i'm Going bears until Until i'm my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Wants my heart wants The burst to win. IT i
don't know if my brain can get. THERE i think
my brain is Saying. Packers but BUT i.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Said that BECAUSE i don't know if The packers, Can
like The packers could drop an uncharacteristic. Game and that's the.
Thing So brandon being the practice, fan my biggest thing
about The packers and my lack of full conviction is
just seeing it consistently out Of jordan Up, now if
La floor changes ideology and he's going to keep going,
this YEAH i would go To. Packers BUT i have

(01:09:40):
to see. IT i just see.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
IT I i just, think like AND i said it
in the chat BECAUSE i know you And jake, agree
but Like Jordan, love he Has The packers have had
some bad losses and but at the same, time every
team in THE nfc is that's a bad. LOSS i,
Mean Matt, stafford who we love and was the front

(01:10:04):
runner FOR, mvp just gave away the front runner OF
mvp because he coughed it up three times against the
AGAs a. Panther so every team has had bad. Losses
But Jordan love has been consistently good all. Years AND
i think last year he was he was banged up

(01:10:26):
and that really affected his play to where he was.
INCONSISTENT i think this year he's kind of showing to
be the guy that was more so the guy that
we saw at the end of twenty twenty, two right
where he just went on a, heater right was twenty
was that twenty twenty two played? Yay twenty twenty. THREE i.

(01:10:52):
Apologize SO i think That love has settled in to
be like AND i, just you, KNOW i want people
to realize, that Like Jordan love is, Good Jordan, love he's.
Not he's not twenty twenty Four Jordan. Love he's looking

(01:11:12):
like he was at the end of twenty twenty. Three
so he's been consistently good and as long as he's
not handcuffed with the conservative play, CALLING i think he'll be.
Good and he. Has it's not like we've never seen
him play well in the. Playoffs he beat The cowboys
and played well in the next, ROUND i. Believe was
it against The? Niners, no So? Lions why did they?

(01:11:35):
Play after BRETD i think You, BRENDA i think you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Are if he's, listening he, said you're talking about that
playoff and that they had.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Where they beat The cowboys and then the next, round
who did they?

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Play The?

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Lions are The? Niners? Uh and they? Almost? They he
played well that game, Too SO i, mean was it The?
BUCKS i don't think it was The. Bucks how about
you're gonna make me look it? Up twenty twenty Three?
Packers so they played?

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
It so they Played dallas in the divisional. ROUND i
thought they Played dallas in the wildcard?

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Round it was a wildcard? Round?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Yeah because so what was THE nfc championship game that?
YEAR i thought they lost AN nfc championship game that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Year three Was? Niners and oh, wait hold, on let's
SEE i will Will let's let's bring it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Now, no you're, Right you're. Right the twenty twenty three
Was niners. Line so it was, yeah it was it.
Was it was the. Wildcar it was a vision round
they went to because this is where The niners got,
lucky because The packers should have won that. Game, yeah, yeah,
yeah The packers. Had The packers had that. GAME i
forget what. Happened it was some wonky. CALL i want

(01:12:43):
to say it was some fourth down, something but The
packers are the controling ny.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
They lost Their. Niners, yeah they, lost so it was,
close and SO i. Don't, YEAH i think With Jordan,
love he's he's. Shown uh, Yeah brendon, says, yeah it
was The. Niners so he does, ask, like you see
it consistently from The. Bears, yeah we. Haven't that's the.
THING i just we have. It we haven't have we

(01:13:09):
haven't seen it consistently from The, bears but we, AGAIN
i my head Says. PACKERS i JUST i have nothing
against The, packers LIKE I i Like i've. BEEN i
predicted The packers within the division before the, season So i'm.
Not i'm not A packers. DOUBTER i JUST i HAVE

(01:13:31):
i have a lot of rooting interest in The bears right,
now BECAUSE i love Common. Guy i've been Defending Caleb
williams for for a long. TIME i love a lot
of the pieces they have on The, bears Like Ben johnson's.
Awesome so LIKE i, LOVE i just also like narrative
and story. Wise it would be so interesting to have

(01:13:51):
The bears go from like last to, first. Right that's
WHY i personally, say like my heart Says. Bears BUT
i don't think they're as good of a team as The.
PACKERS i think The packers if they play their, game The,
Packers so THAT'S i don't think The. LIONS i think
The lions are out of it. Unfortunately so all, right
anything else for THE, Nfc, yeah anything for no.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Huddle so we have. POSED i opposed the question you
think you. Posed it was one of the comments From
Egos talk.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
That, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Mm, Hmm, kyle my hon.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
And it's off. Season, mhm it's A. J brown being
traded off, season And i'm starting TO i don't know
what at the the money. WORKS i CAN i think
it could be on the. Table you asked me, specifically
WHAT i trade A j for? Pickings, look that was the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Comment the comment was so the reason why it's interesting
is because last show we had your no, huddle one
of your huddle topics Was George pickens and how you
know it's awesome to see him in the spotlight now
and be what we thought he could be because both
of us were high on, him on. Him so like

(01:15:17):
it's interesting now And i'm not saying it would be
a scenario LIKE i. DON'T i don't think this play.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Out but if you, could if it's From talent For,
TALENT i would have to strongly consider it when you
take it to the contract and, perspective because then you
would have to Pay. Pickings that's what makes it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Tough that's what makes it. Tough so like If i'm
bringing UP. A. J brown's contract.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Twenty, five his cap numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
High, yeah oh, yeah so his cap Three no wait
wait it. Works if we were to get rid of,
him his dead cap hit M hm would be seventy two.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Million yeah it's not, Happening but so Hypothetical talent For
TALENT i had to consider, IT i would HAVE i
would definitely have to consider. It and this is NOT.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I THINK i think it's. Wise it's if you're if
you're taking like money out of, it and you're talking
about talent and. AGE i Think i'm gonna say this
because eight twenty, NINE, a twenty, eight twenty, nine twenty, nine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
And Then pickings has to be what twenty, four twenty,
five twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Six George pickens age he is twenty four so, yes,
yeah five five years. Roughly, yeah The pickings say The
pickens is a personality. Issue, yeah like that was the
feelings he. Was the thing is like that's that's always
a taking Time bob with, him, Right like it's just

(01:16:59):
like what do you go to?

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Get SO i don't, know like see, here See, brandon
you're here. Right this is another reason WHY i to
it sounds crazy What i'm about to, say AND i
don't think The packers defense gets enough. Credit but like
for like skill, position for a skill position outside Of Josh,
JACOBS i like The bears skill position players better THAN
i like on The, packers and someone Like pickens somebody like.

(01:17:25):
That you add them to The, packers THEN I i,
MEAN i think they're the best team in THE.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
NFC i, think, yeah IF i were looking at the skill,
POSITIONS i do Agree bears so so Like dude's, AY
i Love Luther. BURDEN i Love Colson. Loveland i'm real about,
Now like Obviously Tucker craft is. BETTER i Love Tucker.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Craft Tucker, Craft.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
He's. Amazing SO i give the edge to Cover craft
as it was, there but like With craft out, there obviously,
LOVED i Love. LOVELAND Dj moore is he's kind of
been lost in this. All so like there's, that but
as a whole there the offensive skill position. Players, YEAH i.
WOULD i would give it to The bears again Because

(01:18:09):
i'm also high on we Love swift And i'm very
high on on Common. Guy i'll give it to The.
Bears but it's the defense of The bears Where i'm just,
like it's no. Contest that's the. Thing it's really. Good
The bears is not, good not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Good The eagles offensive made them look, good but, yeah
they made them look, good but they're they're opportunistic. Defense
AND i. WOULD i mean, That, listen it could be
YOUR Nfc conmerce. Game it could Be chicago In Green.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
BAY i wonder would the seeding play out that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
WAY i, Mean i'm having it AS i don't. Know
so you Said, CHICAGO i wonder What chicago schedule is
remaining because depending on who they have in their, schedule
they may lose one to the last.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Four So, chicago what is this taking so? Long chicago
has The, packers that's gat?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Game where did they play them this?

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Week december?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Seventh, yep That Sunday night?

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Football, no it's a four Game packers at The, packers
at The, packers and then they've got The browns at,
home so that's the. Win but then they're at the
their home facing The packers. Again so, yo what is
this thing this this year With.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
So they haven't played The packers at all this year? Yet?

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
No, no, no they haven't. Yet how many teams did they
do some purpose where teams are are playing each other
twice within the span of three. Weeks this is like
the like The eagles do it with The, commanders they
did it with the with The. Giants The bears have
done a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Lot there's a lot of divisional games like that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Going on with this. Schedule like there's rematches where it's
two facing each other twice out of three. Weeks it's. Crazy,
Uh but, ANYWAYS.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I WOULDN'T i wouldn't count on That browns game, either
because their defense is just that, Good like it's just
Miles miles.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Alien he, is he is a frequently from this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Planet he's not from this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Planet there's no, way there's no way he's from this.
Planet we men in black calling the men in black
because He's, yeah he's. Crazy but The bears do have
a tough, schedule So, Packers, Browns, Packers, Niners, lions so
they do have a. Schedule how, good how good they truly,
are is going to be tested within the next five,

(01:20:35):
weeks so we'll, think we will Think brandon does Say
Wix watson has been awesome Since, Yeah watson has been really.
Good watson battling injuries and like he's, like hopefully he
can keep this up because he's got, talent but, like,
yeah he's looked.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Wicks wicks is so, talented but if he could just
stop dropping the ball ship like he is so, good
but he has to stop with the. Jobs and Then
dobbs is old, Reliable so, yeah uh uh Getting jack,

(01:21:12):
soon they're getting januined. Back WHO i don't know if
Like brandon, degrees But i've always, Said i've always felt
That Jaden reid was their best. Receiver Now Matthew, Golden
Matthew golden is is the first TIME i Like matthew
going a, lot so we'll see if he's probably going
to be their future wide receiver. One but in terms
of right, Now i've always felt That Jaji reed is

(01:21:32):
their best wide. Receiver BUT i also have a pet
LIKE i have a tendency to prefer like explosive you,
know explosive. Receivers so that is my my personal. Bias
so maybe that's. That but, yeah they're getting him back
and it's good to be he's a slot boy THEY

(01:21:52):
i think he's more than, that but The packers don't
use him anything more than just a slot so AND
i gat you. Guy so, Yeah jail a little a
little power. Boy well is he talking as boys IN
wi or is he talking About jaden Jan?

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
REY i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Know, YEAH i don't. Know clear it up before we
head out. Here but anything else from you before we head, out, no, Sir,
yeah that's ALL i, HAVE i, think because we we
are getting close to like we're over one. TWENTY i
knew we're, long but we have to next week we
will pin. It we had to talk about the. Chiefs

(01:22:32):
we have to talk about chiefs next. Week we'll, see
so we'll pin it for next. Week that'll be what
that would be our first no huddle. Topic but it's
definitely that's definitely a topic of. Conversation we'll be there next. Week,
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(01:23:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Up peace