Film Don't Lie Week 16 AFC Picture Starting to Unfold!

Josh Allen delivered a heroic performance, leading the Buffalo Bills to a HUGE comeback win against the New England Patriots in a critical AFC East matchup. This game and several other outcomes from Week 15 are massive for the AFC Playoff Picture as we head into the final few weeks of the 2025 regular season! We break down what this means for the Bills’ Super Bowl chances, which other AFC teams are true contenders, and which AFC Quarterbacks have an opportunity to change the negative narratives that have surrounded them.
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07:11 Patriots vs Bills Recap
23:28 Broncos vs Packers Recap
34:46 AFC Playoff Picture
1:01:01 No Huddle
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Mister o GP is back this week, my friend. How
are you? How you doing? How you're feeling better than
last week?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm definitely better than last week.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean, as most of us have probably experienced, someone
close to us is just a little sick or under
the weather. And last week was I guess it was
my term. My number was called because the boy was struggling.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I need.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
A lot of a lot of people were like, it's uh,
it's funny because the day after.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
You still whip me. You're frozen a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Wep good or now you're back, I'm back? Okay? Sorry
connection problem, connection problem apologies. Yeah sorry. So I was
doing the solo show last week. Ironically, the next day
I started to get a sore throat and I was
just like, all right, it's happening to me. Luckily I
wasn't out of commission for for long. It was just

(01:35):
a sore throat for a few days and that was
the extent of it. But yeah, something's going around. Obviously,
it's that time of year, cold weather, germs everything. So
if you haven't been sick yet, I hope you for listening.
I hope you stay healthy, especially for uh for Christmas
and New Year's coming up the holidays. Uh So stay healthy,

(01:58):
stay safe as always. But a lot to get to.
We did a few weeks ago, we did the NFC
playoff picture. Now after Week fifteen, a lot of stuff
has been going on with the AFC, so we figured, hey,
let's dive into the AFC and see what's going on
over that conference, because man, we had some interesting games

(02:21):
and stuff that happened that can really paint, really have
this playoff picture for that conference really unfold. So a
lot to get into, a lot to dive into. And
we're going to try to touch a little bit, at
least a little bit on every relevant team. And I
say relevant because there are some AFC teams that I

(02:43):
really don't care for, some mediocre teams that I don't
care for touching on, but all the relevant teams in
the AFC in that playoff picture we will get to.
But first of all, mister pt, we have some news
because in the dynasty that we are in together, it

(03:04):
is the second round of the playoffs coming and it's
you as the one seed facing off against me. Now,
as I advanced to the second round, I am what
the I was the three or four four seed. Yeah,
so it's me against you. I will say this, I
do not expect to win because I have so many
people banged up. Now, like I was already, it's I

(03:28):
traded for Sam laporta blockbuster trade.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah yeah right now, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Right after I traded for him, he gets hurt and
for the rest of the season. So I'm like, great,
wonderful that that was. That's a that paid off shore.
You know, I did end up training for Dallas Cottard
later on, but like the fact that I had to
scram before a tight end in that league, man. And
then now I also in that trade, I got a
Dunesday back, which you know, since it's being Dynasty, it's

(03:56):
still he's out, so he he's not going to help
me in the playoffs and now Devanta Adams hurt his hamstring,
he's questionable to play.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I was about to say, did they get like it
was it a grade one, grade two? Great?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't know they say great, but like they said,
he's like questionable, like he's they haven't ruled him out,
and I think the last thing I saw was McVeigh
said he doesn't want to rule Davante yet because if
there's anyone that's gonna still play, it's DeVante. Uh So
we'll see what that means. But even like if he
does play, I am I going to start him knowing

(04:31):
that he has a bad hammy. I don't know, that's
very risky. At the same time, my other option is
like Jalen Warren, who's solid, but he's now like spending
time with with Kenny Gainwell, So like.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Do you what do you assess game well season? Like
is this did he play be like as expected to you?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Below or above as expected?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
You know, like he's I think Warren is still a
little better, and I think that has carried the it's
you know, its weight throughout most of the season. Warren
has still been like the lead, you know, he's he
gets majority of the touches slightly, but Gainwell still gets
a good amount of opportunities and reps there, and I
think that's that's what pretty much I expected. The only

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thing that I say I didn't expect was I didn't
think Caleb Johnson would be this bad and this forgotten
for the Steelers the third round pick. I thought he
would work his way into some type of rotation with him,
but no, that hasn't at all. He's and he's been
pretty bad, so that's unexpected. But yeah, gain was gain

(05:39):
has been been expect pretty much what I expected, like
a very solid, very reliable running back, which is what
he was here, and so I'm happy to see him succeed.
I think it's it's really good. Him and Warren are
a really solid and good duo because they can do
a little bit of everything. And you know, Aaron Rodgers
who calls the shots there, he trusts, So I think

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that's another thing. Aaron Rodgers, you know, with him and rookies.
He doesn't trust rookies, so you know, maybe that's that's
part of the reason why Cale Johnson's not in there.
So yeah, he's uh game well, playing well. E uh.
He had a really really good game against the Dolphins,
so shout out to game Weell, former Eagle Super Bowl champ.
But yeah, so it'll be interesting this week. If I

(06:23):
hadn't amassed those injuries, I would been like, yo, let's
put it like a side wager on this, But no,
I think you're gonna you're gonna win looking at your team.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
So I don't know, man, I mean I put it.
I think I submitted my first waiver claim all year.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
For personal one.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
It's like, I mean, when did waivers go through tonight?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, three am.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
So we'll see, you'll see, you'll see, you'll see who
You'll be like, oh, really.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Should be. It should be interesting. I forget how much
if I spent. I think I spent a little bit
of my fab in that league. But yeah, that's think
about dynasty. Sometimes you just don't, you know, need it.
So but yeah, that'll be the the thing going into
this weekend for me and you. But let's look at
Week fifteen. Let's let's get into this AFC playoff picture.
And let's start off with what I thought was the

(07:13):
best game of the of the week.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Which was one o'clock and Fox clock.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Bills Patriots and the Patriots. The AFC East Division leader
going into that game, and still they still.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Are had one winners of ten straight. If I'm not mistaken,
tenth straight, it might.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Probably they were one to two and they had one
ten straight. Yeah, and they were cruising on their way
to twelve.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, they go up I think twenty one.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Nothing, twenty one nothing, nothing, and it was like you.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Said, they were cruising and then the Bills scored that touchdown,
and toward the end of the second, I.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Think the Bills ended up scoring twenty eight unanswered answers.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Was it twenty eight unanswered?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think it was twenty out because at one point
I was looking at the Bills had had taken the lead.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, they took the lead because I think they had.
They scored a touchdown. I think late in a second.
I think the Patriots kicked a field goals before halftime,
and then the Patriots came back. I couldn't. I don't.
I could be wrong. I could be I think it
was something like that, but regardless, the Bills come back,

(08:27):
and I think for me, the number one thing I
took away from that was that you know, this Bills,
this Bills team, which it kind of falls in line
too how I have seen them, you know, even entering
this game, so how I view them doesn't really change,
but it kind of emphasizes the fact that this this

(08:48):
Bill's team, if anything, like, they're going their playoff hopes
rely on Josh Allen, James Cook and the running game.
Like but Josh Allen being playing here ball obviously and
doing his Superman thing, you know, because they don't have
reliable receivers. I mean, the most reliable receiver is kaliosial Keere,

(09:10):
but he's like their slot, so like, you know, he's
not really someone who's going to be like a top
a top option.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But and it was twenty four to seven a half
at half. Yeah, I think Bill.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Scored twenty eight points in the second half to the
Bill to the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Seven seven, which is the one the one run. Yeah,
So yeah, I think this Bills team has shown like
because their defense is bad. And I know we'll get
a little bit into the weeds of that, but the
defense is nothing to write home about, right, and I
think you could argue it's one of the worst units
they've had in years. But yeah, this is going to

(09:49):
go as Josh, do you.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Think looking at that game was that a game that
the Bills won or that the Patriots lost.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Good question.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I mean, you're up twenty one to nothing, I understand,
but more importantly, you're up twenty four to seven.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I think the I think it was. Yeah, I think
it's more so the Bills won because I think that
I think that the Bills in the second half. But
what they did was they made a really significant adjustment
to the defense where they in the second half they
mainly played cloud or too high safeties to pretty much

(10:31):
take away anything deep. And so the Patriots really like
they were they're often stalled because they couldn't. They didn't
really counter that. There's just one that I saw, and
it's kind of telling. In the first half versus the Bills,
the Patriots ran the ball twenty two times for an
EPA per rush of plus zero point four to three seven,

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which is the highest first half rate of any team
in the Week fifteen. So the Patriots are running the
ball well in the and their rushing success rate of
fifty seven point nine percent was the fifth highest first
half rate of any team in week in Week fifteen,
so they're running well. In the second half, they ran

(11:13):
the ball three times, a total of three times and
one of them was taken to the house by Tevian
Henderson like.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
A fifty six.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, he had two long runs. So this is I mean,
this is what Trevan is. Like he's a boom er
bust type of type of runner, and like he's like
he's able to bust one or two like a game
that that. Those are game changers, right, you know for
the Bills. Luckily they were able to still come back
with the touchdown of their own. But yeah, like the Patriots,

(11:47):
they went away from the run, and because they weren't
able to really attack deep and be aggressive, they had
to resort to short passes over and over, and the
Bill was did a good job of containing their attack
in the second half. And I think that the Bills
making that adjustment, along with their ground game really getting

(12:09):
established in the second half, was I was what I
believe turned things around. And you know, we know how
it is with Josh Allen. He's oftentimes when he plays
when he's hero, he he can do things that not
maybe one or two quarterbacks that we can do. So yeah,
I think the Bills won it. But like, what what

(12:31):
was your takeaway from from that game?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I mean, I wasn't following the game. I was actually out.
I was watching the game. I was as the first
game I watched out We'll get as a little spot
and shout out to give him a free plug. The
Mill and Franklinville Dollar Wings on Sundays. Yeahs and Boneless

(12:53):
were traditional so pretty strong. But yeah, I was watching
the game and a like kind of taking my attention
away from the game because they're up to twenty one to nothing.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And then slowly but surely looked at the score, looking
at the score, and.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'm looking at my fantasy because I have James Cook
in a couple of fantasy leagues which I'm no longer
alive in. So I gotta sorry, Chucks, I gotta go
through you to even make it even on make it
even on wages that I've had it on my fantasy lease.
But I take it from this is a loss that

(13:29):
they will learn from Vyble to May to McDaniel's in
a way to not have an answer to the adjustment
that was made at half that Sean McDermott and the
defense did right. But oftentimes we see this loss come
in the playoffs and then they don't have another chance
at it. So I think this loss for the Patriots

(13:50):
came at the right time. I think a ten game
winn Street proves you can do it. And yeah, I
think you weren't playing the first or second place schedule, right,
so little a little easier, but you got you got
the best of the Bills and when you were hitting,
you were up twenty one and nothing, right, So it
is something to build off of. I think it it

(14:11):
comes at the right time because maybe they were feeling
themselves a little bit. Hell, heck, we even heard it
here in in Philly, where would you give up the
Super Bowl for Drake May?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Would you trade last year super Bowl for Drake May?
Rest for the rest of Drake May's career? Like, that's
the kind of talk we were hearing here in the
Philadelphia area, right. So it's one of those things to
where Josh Allen the Bills kind of unstoppable there, right.

(14:42):
So that's that's where we come and uh, how do
you stop that?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Because Josh does things so much out of schedule, right,
that is tough to defend, very tough to defend.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
So we'll see, yeah, see absolutely, and we'll see we'll
we'll touch on these teams when we when we circle
back and talk about like big picture for the playoffs,
but what we'll touch on how we view these teams
in terms of making a super Bowl run. But yeah,
I come away from this I don't think that I

(15:19):
don't think anything less of the Patriots despite the loss, Like,
I still think they are what I I saw them as,
you know, similar to the Bills. It's I who said
I forget one of the podcasts I was listening to,
but like it's it's a game where obviously a team
had to lose. And so despite the Patriots losing and

(15:41):
and in very frustrating fashion because it was a huge comeback,
I still think there are They are still a good
team and one of the one of the top teams,
one of the better teams in that conference in the
a f C. So despite the loss, I still do
think that they're good. And so this is more of

(16:02):
just the Bills. The Bills reinforcing who they are, and
we'll talk about we'll talk about, yeah, what we think
about what they're ceiling is for the playoffs. So oh yeah,
anything else from that game you wanted to.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Know, It's hard to take away without watching the game.
I didn't do a deep dive into it. But a
lot of times in this league, then we get you
have to learn how to win, right, And I think
like it's something to be said about a younger team,
upcoming team to kind of have that heat check a
little bit. And I think the Patriots will come out

(16:41):
better better from this to where they're in that situation
again and they make and they don't make those ajustice
because how do you go from twenty four points to
the first halfter seven?

Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know what I mean? So I don't think they
make that same mistake again.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
But at the same time, like how far can how
far can Josh Allen and James Cook and the Hodgeproger
wide receivers? How far can they take the bills?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Because if you like, we're gonna take a look at
this playoff picture a little bit, it's kind of like
who's who? Because trust be the other team right now
that's sitting in the one seat in AFC. I don't
know how much I believe in them either, And I
know the QB one for that team you're not a
fan of at all at all, So maybe he's getting

(17:32):
a little bit better. But man, they they they win,
They're winning some games by the.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Skin of the teeth.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
So it's it's, it's it's it's one of those things
to where I feel like I feel like the Patriots
are almost the Eagles of twenty two?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Is that? Is that a fair assessment.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
To where Okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Kind of one out of nowhere, but has some talent,
had some promise, but they're also benefiting as well from
the schedule a little bit, and they just got hot,
and I think that heat check came in at the
right time because now, I mean, they still have what
a two game lead on the Bills in the division.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
One game are the Bills ten and four.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
So I think, let me see hold on the standings.
So the Patriots are eleven to three, the Bills are
ten and four. Yeah, so one game ahead.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Mmmmm, We'm go look at the remaining schedule for these.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't I would be shocked.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
If the Bills catch them, because if I'm not mistaken,
I think the Patriots still have to play the Jets again.
If I'm not mistaken, whose schedule are you looking at
right now?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Pulling? I'm going to the Pats first, Okay, I'll.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Have the Bills. So the Bills play the Browns US obviously,
and then the Jets. So I mean they have two
quote unquote gimmes and then you know, a tough one
against US.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah. So I mean, who do the Bills have this week?
The Browns?

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Browns?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
All right, So after this week, depending on which version
of this team shows up, they could be tied for
the divisionally because the Pats are on the road against
the Ravens and that is the Sunday night football game,
and then they have the Jets in New York week seventeen.
In Week eighteen, they have the Dolphins at home.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
So that's they have an easier schedule, so they the
chances are they still will win the division because the
Peachers would have to lose two get mad, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Mean.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
And sometimes one.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Thing about Josh Allen teams and the Bills and Sean McDermott,
sometimes they do play down to the competition and so
I'm curious, like I expect them to beat the Browns,
but I also would not be shocked to see if
the Browns made at a gate and potentially because it's
in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, I can see that. Because the Bills, I mean,
the Bills lost to did they lose to the Falcons.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Or not only lost to the Falcons that they that
was a Monday night game and the Falcons, yeah, thrash them.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Because they have they have this tendency where because like
I said, their defense isn't good. Their defense is not
is not great. They have a really bad run defense
and when they get away from the run, they get
in trouble because they don't have that. They don't have
a bona fide top wide receiver or receiving option. Even

(20:58):
it's more of just like a bunch of who's it
and what's.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
It's like average to maybe slightly above, but it's no
one ever since Stefan Diggs left.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah just Diggs left. I mean, like I said, I
think their best skill position, their best receiver is Sair.
But he's your slot receiver. He's not. There's only so
much you.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Think if they put him on the outside, is he
somebody who has a skill set to be able to
win on the outside.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
No, I think he's more like he's mainly a yack guy.
That's his that's his thing, and so he doesn't have
that long speed to be like if you had him
as a movement z, he still doesn't have the long
speed to be able to to win like that on
the outside long speed and the like you know, one
on one threats on the boundary. So I mean he's

(21:44):
he's he's your slot guy. He's a yat guy and
he's really good at it. But he's he's one of
those receivers who we talk about like slot only you know,
as opposed to best in slot. So he's your best receiver.
I don't I don't know, is not He's been a
disappointment and you don't you have what kincaid. Okay, he's

(22:05):
like a solid title and but like this is this
is why they have to be that run first team
because when they're the run first team, they're able to
use that and then not have to rely on the
passing game being like like oh save us Josh all
the time because you know how and how they get

(22:28):
in trouble when they get into that mode because Josh
is capable of doing that. But at the same time
he does when it's when he does it too much,
he gets reckless. You know, he gets reckless, So you
know you can't. They have to be that run first team, and.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
No one wants to open up the lanes for the
passing game because they don't have any man beaters really,
so they have to do it with scheme. And the
way that they can do that is the success of
a running game takes pressure off the passing game. But
then also what happens is if you're able to stop
the run and then you start forcing Josh Allen to
make these s throwers or the other side of that,

(23:07):
it is put his body on harm's way, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
As a runner, Yeah, yep, I hear all right. So
we'll circle back to these two teams when we get
to the playoff picture. So as we get into our
next topic, we paused for a second because we had

(23:35):
to take a little break, but we go into our
next our next game. We wanted to cover the number,
the actual number one seed in the conference, which we
definitely had to touch on the Broncos that they as
they beat the Packers. What was the final score of that.
I didn't even be.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Okay, I could be wrong, give me one second. I
was just there.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I should check on the I should double check these Okay, cool? Yeah,
So they beat the They beat the Packers thirty four
twenty six, a game between two of what we consider
contenders as well. We'll get to the Packers, you know,
and implications for that probably in no huddle with them
being an NFC team, which huge implications from this game.

(24:22):
But I'll lead off with this peat because I think
you alluded to it. How I am. I'm one of
the biggest bone Knicks critics that you'll find. It has
nothing to do with me thinking he sucks. I don't
think he sucks. I think Bonex overall has gotten a
little bit too much hype for my taste where he's

(24:43):
kind of.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Struggled with more more portion of the success.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
And he yes, correct and they they're rooted in tangible
things because you look at the main thing for me
is like he's he's horrible passing deep, Like his his
numbers when he's throwing deep are just bad. They're really
really bad. But that being said, against the Packers, this

(25:07):
to me was easily his best game career. He was
as I was watching and I'm like, yo, you're you're
bawling like bow Knicks.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Was Franklin.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yep, the Franklin ye had the touchdown to.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Who was touchdown?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
I think it was the one pass to once it
was Franklin in the third quarter, it's like a it
was like an intermediate touchdowns, like we changed twenty thirty
yards and it was very similar to the route that
Aj caught his touchdown pass on sidey.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, and in there.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, Nicks was passing deep, he was he was being
aggressive in this. This is a type of game plan
approach and type of execution from Nicks that people like
people like me want to see in orders for me
to believe in that team. So if he continues to

(26:06):
play like this and Sean Payton calls games like this, yeah,
I will buy into them as probably a favorite if, like,
you know, the top favorite in the AFC. I need
to see more of it. And I not believe it's
just a one game thing, but it is nice to
see that they have that in them. They can do

(26:27):
this type of thing. And like, you know, Nix is
obviously he's not perfect. He still has his moments of
inaccuracies and springs, but like, if he can offset those
with aggressive throws, aggressive and accurate throws downfield, they more
than make up for what he you know, for those misses.

(26:48):
So yeah, I came away seeing them and being like, yeah,
this is how they need to play. If They're going
to be a contender, true contender. This is how they
need to play, and it was encouraging. So like how,
I have no complaints about Knicks whatsoever as a Knicks
as a harsh Knicks critic, this season, you will not
hear a one complain about knicks performance. And I do

(27:11):
hope that for their sake, they keep this up and
he keeps going.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I think they need to because if they have aspirations
to make it to the super Bowl, and at this point,
you're eleven and you're twelve and two, I'm not mistaken
twelve and two at this point. I think they're twelve
and two. If you have aspirations at twelve and two,
which you should, I think. I understand the defense travels,
but the defense has it been as stalwart as it has.

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You definitely have a better chance to have everything go
through Denver. If you have everything going to Denver because
of the dinner air, you're just a customed player there.
I mean, we will see anything can happen. But it
was Knicks's best best game in that moment. It and
it'll say, like you talked about, it alluded with the Packers,

(28:05):
the loss of michaelh parshers for the year, and the defense,
while good on paper, it like his him being there made.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Everyone else's job easier.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Like I mean, let's say it, like, all right, the
Eagles played the Raiders, right, but yeah they were out
Jalen Carter. They were Jalen Carter for the Chargers. Game
still had seven a sacs. You have a litany of
guys and not and you have her shot Gary, you
got Etrian Cooper, you got Kwate Walker. But like it's
for whatever it is, it's not the same, Like the

(28:39):
defense doesn't now without Micah and this doesn't have as
much bite as ye because you and you don't have
the players at every level now to kind of hide that.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
And that game and Love was Love was playing well too.
But and then also the other thing, Christian Watson went
down again.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I did read it's not a serious injury. But again
like he he he's face, he's had these injury and
concerns and that's what's all I'm back, And he was
to say that like he won't. This injury won't lead
to another injury. It's just like one after the other.
So yeah, and and they lost. They're starting arguably their
best offensive lineman in Zach Tommy. I haven't seen an

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update on how serious his injury is. So yeah, they're
they're feeling it. They the outlook on the Packers. It's
so crazy because since the season started, I'm out of
us two or like, out of a lot of people
we know, I'm probably the one that has been defending
the Packers and and hyping them up. And this completely

(29:48):
changes things. Like I don't when they lost Craft, I
took a step back from them, and I'm like, I
don't see it. But then they started to play a
lot better even in his absence, Like calling was better,
Jordan Love kept kept being his usual self defense was
bogging down. They got Christian Watson back, they just got

(30:10):
Jayden Reed back last year. Who's who's now, like, you know,
the yack guy in Craft's absence, and now this happens,
and I'm just like, without Mike, without Micah, I don't
and I hate to say that, like because anything could happen.
Anything obviously, anything can happen, but I don't think I

(30:34):
think that without Micah, I don't see them being a
super Bowl contender.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Right And now at this point, you're talking about without
Mica and now I think the Bears are a better team.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I do too, I think the Bears are better teams.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
We're talking about the Bears winning the North right, and
then at this point where now the Packers have to
go on the road, they should make it as a
well all card team because I think the record.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Now is nine four one. I'm not mistaken. I think
they're nine to four on one.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
So that should put them at four seed, five seed.
I guess gonna be a five seed. That'll put them
at the five seed because the five seed will be
because I think you're gonna have the top of my head.
So you have the Rams on one seed, Eagles at
two seeds, Rams on one seed, Bears.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
At two seeds, Eagles at three seed, Tampa Bay at four.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yep, then you have I want to say, Packers at five,
is six is San France, No, Packers, Seahawks at Sea
A five, Packers at no, Niners at six, Niners are
ten and four right, Packers at seven.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Packers at seven. So that'll put Packers, Packers, Bears first
round if it was the end today, Package Bears first round, Eagles, Niners,
Seahawks and Bucks. Yeah, I mean package Bears in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's funny, that's a that'd be fun They still play
each other one more time, I believe.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
So right now, I would say that the biggest outside
of anybody who's a Seahawks fan, this upcoming Thursday, because
the Rams and the Seahawks played Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
The next.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Fan base that's going to be cheered, the next area,
the country that's going to be cheering the hardest for
the Seahawks, It's going to be Chicago.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Mm hmm, because Chicago's what ten and three.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Ten and four, ten and four, uh yeah, ten and four.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
They just lost to the Packers. They lost to the
Packers last week. I'll keep keep trying to get right
unless loss. But at that point it won't matter because
if if the Seahawks win, and the Seahawks jumped from
the four seed all the way they go to the
one seed, they go.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
From the five seed ally to the one seed, five.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Seed all the way to the one seed, and that
game is in Seattle, Yes, yeah, it's in Seattle, because
remember they played and we talked about this game on
from the lot that were they played in l a
and donald had a donald S game, and they still
had a chance to win the game.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, so it's it's it's gonna be really interesting. It was.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
It was an injury bug all the way around for
for the NFL key key players too. I mean you're
talking you're more than two thirds into the season and
now you have the homes out for eight, nine, ten,
maybe twelve months.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Parsons the same thing.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
So even now, if you get these players back any
type of status of twenty twenty six, they're not going
to be one hundred percent, like we all know a CLS. Yeah,
you could come back from them, but you don't get
that back until usually the following season or.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Even later that year. I mean, you could be close
to one hundred percent, but it'll take a little bit.
It's gonna take a little bit to get there.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
So I mean Davante, like you said, you couldn't talk
about that matchup, Like Davante is not he won't be
one hundred percent for the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, because if they said him, I mean, it's tricky,
but we all know with himies it's tricky. So like
we'll see if they sit him and like maybe he
heels up, maybe for the playoffs he'll be you know,
it'll be fine, but you know, you know, yeah, all right,
So let's get to well, so we covered these two games.

(34:51):
Really these two matchups, these were the premier matchups in
the AFC.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Let's now take a look at as a whole, as
the playoff picture as a whole, and I'm gonna get
into let's get into some of these these teams individually
and what we see as their like ceiling or how
we see their their projection moving forward into the playoffs.
So let's go back over now to the the to

(35:18):
the Bills, right, who said I tend for it in
the wild card but they just had that big win
against the Patriots. Is this the year they have to
do it? When you consider no Mahomes Lamar and the
Ravens are they're on the outside looking in and they

(35:38):
don't even look as close to the same it had been.
So is this like, as a Bills fan or even
as the Bills team, is this the year you have
to be like, we have to win it this year?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
It could be like no, you know, I would say,
have to know, would they like to? Yes?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
But I also yet so you say, look at it
in one side, Mahomes Jackson May they're not even a factor.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Burrow is not a factor.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
So you're looking at this first column and division leaders
and even the wildcard, Like outside of Josh Allen, none
of these other quarterbacks for these teams have been there.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
They haven't done it before. Right, So for the Bills,
it's like, would you like.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
To yes, do you have the strongest team in this situation?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
But you have by far the best quarterback. And I
mean the Pats better than not slip up, man, because
if the Pats slip, I like, if the Bills get
a home game and they're sitting at that two seed
when it's all said and done, and we're gonna figure
out what kind of team the Pats.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Are these next three games, that will vode very very well.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Because if you're telling me, if I'm looking at this now,
if you're telling me, well, let me see hold up
time about stand by stand Because what's outside of flip
flopping the Bills. I'm looking at two other teams that

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are opposite sides of the column that I don't know
what their schedule is remaining last three games, but if
it goes to where the team is to the right
and wild card can to overtake the team and the left.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
That's a completely different story.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Which team, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Obviously, the Chargers can't The Chargers aren't catching the Broncos.
I don't think they get to the game lead Texans.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yes, all right, so let's let's get get it so well,
I'll say this for the Bills, let me let me,
let me finish the Bills. I think I would say
this is they have to. I think this is like
you're you're talking about, You're talking about like they have
they they've never been able to go get over the hump,

(38:02):
which was Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs right Always, that's
always a team standing in their way. They're not there. Yeah,
all right, they're not there.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's the best team that you have for the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
There might not be the best team, but if you're
looking at it like this, there's you alluded to it
like they have the best quarterback in the conference. And
if Josh Allen, who I believe he isback right now,
right now, if I'm looking at Josh Allen to be

(38:37):
the elite guy that he is, he has to find
a way and part of it is going to be
relying on the run game and James Cook, because James
Cook is one of the top running backs.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And then who's Ray Davis?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Him and Ray Davis behind me and Ty Johnson has
like their their pass catching back. So like that run
game has to.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Be what gets.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
They have a good one. And so like the defense
has to be able to just make And I've said,
you know, I've said this before. If you don't have
a top defense, how do you win in the playoffs?
You have to be opportunity opportunistic and and make plays
when needed, like.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Extra possession one if not to a game, and and
Josh Allen will take care of it.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
So that is their that's the like, that is how
they're going to be able to pull this off. And
I think they can, but it is a tall task.
But if you're looking at this like they this is
their opportunity because it's right there for the taking. Yeah,
they they might be the wild card, but Josh Allen company,

(39:54):
you're not telling me like that that with their playoff
experience that they don't mind doing that. Like they'll win
on the road. They'll go on the road and win
if they have to. They have to be able to
take care advantage of this season because if not, this season, Like,
how many more opportunities are going to get where you
have lamar and and Mahomes out of it and the

(40:17):
rest of the qbs in the in the league, are
in the conference are just inexperienced, don't have that? So yeah,
this is this is going to be like the proper
opportunity the You talked about the Texans, right, So are
the Texans? Can the Texans? I'll pose the question for you,

(40:40):
then frame it because they when do they play each other?
Do they Texans and Jacks? They don't, they play, they don't.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
They're done.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
So so say I want you to say your point
about the Texans, because then I have a point about
the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
So the question is yeah, because this that's this is
the most intriguing division right now between Jagson Texans for
the AMC South. Is the Texans offense going to be
solid enough to let that elite defense, the best defense

(41:15):
in the league, carry them to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
No? Super Bowls? Maybe, But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Looking at the teams on the left, no one has
an easier path to run the table than the Jaguars.
And it all starts this Sunday, and we're gonna find
out if they're real not, because I'm looking here at
the Jaguars. They are on a one, one, two, three, four,

(41:45):
five game winning streak. There's some heavy hitter games. This
week it's Jaguars Broncos in Denver four or five this Sunday.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Wow. Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
And the reason why I say that because if they
somehow can come away with the win in Denver, then
they then they have the road again on against the Colts.
Who knows what kind of condition are going to be in.
And they closed this season at home.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Against the Titans.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
The Broncos have Colts, they have Jaguars Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
The key is they have They closed the season with
the Chargers. Oh so that game.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Week eighteen, because the Chargers last three games Chargers Cowboys
this Sunday. God, these did these motherfuckers made this schedule?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Week seven? Well what is week? This is Week sixteen? Six,
Week seventeen.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Texans Chargers Saturday game. Then they close out this season
on January fourth, Chargers in Denver.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
So hence why I say.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
That you can never to fully take it a grand
because the last two games of the season for the
Jaguars are division games, but t Low and ETN Cohen
and that defense they had. The Jaguars are cooking right now,
his most consistent football. If I truly believe if they

(43:36):
come out with a win on Sunday, there is a
there is a path for the Jaguars when it's all
said and done, to be the one seed, because.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I think I can see it.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, I think they are going to drop a game.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, they would need to pack. That's what I'm saying,
that they would need to patch drop a game. I
mean arguably too right, because.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Well, I don't know what the tigebreaker is four for
them if they both have the same record, because I
don't think they played each other this year.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I'm looking at the schedule now.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I'm not sure what the type breakers are.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
To say, maybe it wouldn't be divisional record, had to
be conference record.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
And the Jaguars losses have come to They lost to
the Rams, they lost to the Seahawks, two NFC teams,
and they lost to that. They lost the Bengals and
we two were I know Coen probably wants that back
because they had that game in hand. So that's one
AFC loss. And then they also lost to the Texas,

(44:40):
So they have two conference losses to non conference losses,
and then the Patriots have.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Who did they lose to?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
They obviously lost to the Bills, that's a conference loss,
and they also lost to oh god, they lost to
the Raiders, m.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And they lost to the Steelers. So if they both
finished at U.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Thirteen and four, then the charge the Jaguars would get
it because they only have two conference losses and the
Patriots have three. Every loss on the Patriots has been
to an AFC team Raiders, Steelers, Bills.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
So yeah, man, this is uh things things are brewing.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, I think they the chances right now. The odds
are nine to eleven odds, so a small chance, but
there is a chance.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That's there's definite a chance.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
And then who Ravens Packers week seventeen, Ravens Steelers.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So I mean that's just like.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I can see the Ravens coming back to win that division.
It's yeah, they could, you know, And because I don't
know who else.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
But even if they do win the division, how much.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Faith you have incredible?

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, it's it's it sucks because the Ravens essentially they
have the same offense, but they're not they just don't.
They don't look good.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
It's almost like the Eagles. They're just not past. But
the defense isn't as good that you don't have that lead.
Steelers play Lions this week. Okay, and the Lions right
now on the oside looking in and they're gonna I mean,
they still have an outside shot if they went out
they go eleven and six. Obviously don't think they can

(46:48):
win the division, but they play the Bears that they
played the Bears the last game of the season.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
So if they go eleven and six to get in,
you know that, I mean, because I definitely would take
their lines over the Steelers this week.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I think, Yeah, I think I would too. I'm not impressed.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
With the yes. I mean almost came back in one Monday.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Night, So that's not all right. So let's see other
So we're talking. You touched on Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wor.
Trevor Lawrence is balling. Trevor like this, He's playing the
best ball of his career finally, kind of He's starting
to look like the number one pick that we like anticipated,
right yep. And Liam Coman doing an amazing job there. Uh,

(47:39):
I think that they have a legitimate shot. I love
what the love of Cohen's doing. Lawrence is just he's
finally he doesn't look robotic anymore. He looks like he's
playing and and letting it loose, and you know he's
letting his talents actually shine, you know what I mean.
So it's that's like the thing that quarterbacks who have

(48:06):
the physical talent, like a Trevor Lawrence, like a Justin Herbert,
what gets them bogged down and in trouble is when
they did play too robotic and they they don't play
to what their talents, their physical talents are are are
let them do, you know what I mean? To the

(48:26):
to the camself. And like obviously coaching matters, so that
that's another thing. But you know, Trevor's finally in a
system that he believes in that that helps them. He
has the talent around them. How awesome has that trade
for Jacoby Myers been? Because every since I feel like

(48:47):
Jacoby Myers came in and it's like boom, like a
switch flipped, and he's been such a pivotal weapon for them.
And then you know BEATJ is starting to you know,
they're starting to get a group with BTJ. The the
running backs with with E T n and and Tunan

(49:09):
are a good tan and so like yeah, and then
Brendon Stranger's back, Who's who's a pivotal piece for them too,
because he's one of another one of those dual you know,
dual threat on tight ends who can block and who
can catch.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
So like, yeah, their defense is just I think it's
Dave Caldwell is the coordinator. They're still I'm not mistaken.
I mean, and Josh Allen, Hines, Travon, Trayvon Walker, and
they have some players on defense they play as a
solid unit, right and Anthony Anthony Cappelli.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Okay, I mean but how a put it like this?
Talent for talent, prospect for prospect is how far? So
if you're not obviously Josh Allen's cleaning umber. One, would
you have to go Drake May?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Because right now taking this, looking at this as the
Ravens are out, so.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I'm taking are so would you go Allan? One?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yes? I mean two is Drake May.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Drake May?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
And then what would you who you take it through
or you taking Trevor Lawrence or you take it justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I'm thinking, Wow, I mean, I love I still love Stroud,
so but it's close to me. It's I take Stroud
because I have trust in Stroud. I've already seen Stroud
do it in the playoffs where he's right. That's that's
a tiebreaker. Like in terms of like physical talent, justin

(50:49):
Herbert out out talents him, I guess you can say,
and I guess you can say that for t law too, but.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Like athletic Lawrence is probably up there too.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like physical talent, those
two probably are over Stroud. But I've seen Stroud wandom
game like the playoffs, and you know, I put weight
in that, like how do you perform the playoffs? And
last year I saw Stroud do it even in a
down year. So I go with Stroud. But that tier,

(51:21):
so like Alan and then May, they're they're separate. I
think that next tier arguments can be made whatsoever for Stroud,
Herbert and Trevor Lawrence, and I would not mind who
you pick. I would not mind I would pick. If
I were to pick, I would go Stroud, Herbert Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
That would be how I and the crazy thing is and.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I would say Jacksonville. I would say they probably have.
Like if you're just looking at an offense as a
whole and what you're looking at on paper and skill
position players. I mean, they damned to have the best
skill like as a whole out of any team from

(52:08):
from running back if you look at as a conglomerate,
ya run the back, tight end, wide receiver, one, wide receiver, two,
Bryan Thomas Jr. Who's healthy now mm hmm, Kobe Myers
and Trevor Lawrence like that as a whole, and then
they're O line I mean, and then we've.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Seen mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, yeah, they they are there. I think the Jaguars. Now,
Like how much do I trust that youth and experience
against the likes of like the Bills. I don't know,
because I think the Jaguars. That's that, And like the
Jaguars have a better overall team i'd say than the Bills.

(52:53):
But yeah, like that inexperience, and that's that's where I
I I harbor that hard harp back to the Bills
having to take advantage of the inexperience throughout the rest
of the conference, right because that's that's that's where it is.
But if the Jaguars can find a way to not

(53:14):
fold under that inexperience. Then yeah, they have they have
the team to to make like I guess, a decent run,
a decent run at it. Uh and we'll see. But
I mean like, they gotta win the division first. And
the Texans here's the thing which is going, you know,
circling back to my original question for the Texans. See,

(53:35):
I see an avenue for them more than I see
with the Jaguars because I can hang my hat on
that defense shutting things down in the playoffs, like I
I that's what makes me confident in them. Rather they're
wild card.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
They can win a game seventeen to fourteen, Yes.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, and they can. Yeah. So if I'm looking at
the players and I'm talking about, okay, who are my
who do I see as legit contenders?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I see the balls if the Broncos, if the Broncos
offense plays that they did, I see the Broncos obviously.
But then it gets into a conversation and I think
it would be close between the Texans and the Patriots,
and I think gun in my head, I would say
the Texans because because the defense is just sole elite,

(54:27):
the best.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Defense in the league.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And I've seen things from that offense to where now
I can I think they can be stable. You know
that offensive line is still worry absolutely, but I think
they're putting things together to where they're masking the deficiencies
are the offensive line. And Stroud knows that if he

(54:50):
can just make enough plays to Nico Collins where they
connect just a set several times a game, that is
enough for them team to win the games. Like you
said seventeen fourteen, twenty to fourteen, like they that's all
they need to be stable and do just enough. And

(55:10):
like I said, with Stroud, I've seen him perform well
in the playoffs. I know he can do it, so
I have like that. That's that's really like I just.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I still think like defense is elite offense not right
at the Texas still could What was my matchup at
the beginning of the year, I said, Eagles.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Texas super Bowl. I mean four weeks ago, I was
looking like I was crazy. Now here we are.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I still think the Texans, i'mon't even say it running
back a way like somehow someway this offseason this time
next year, the tech like either Brandon Eye or t
Higgins needs to be catching passes for CJ.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Shroud.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I think is just on the contract, so I don't
think they can I think the Biggles can get out
of that.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
But I thought he's signed a contract though I thought
they franchise Taggo was that last year?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
No, they signed the contract. He's had a long term contract,
so he's in.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
It's I your bus, you blow the Eagles out the water.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Oh here's the thing I wouldn't. I would love that.
I would love that they have the two wide receivers
that they I think from Iowa State that they really like,
and and Higgins and no yes uh. And then they
had Tank Dell coming back, which after his injury, who

(56:36):
knows what he will be. Yeah, but they like the
too young I would say wide receivers. So I mean, like,
how much of it? How much do they need to
invest in wide receiver as opposed to upgrading their offensive
line and running back? So I don't know. I would
love to see.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
The old line.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I mean, this sucks that mink if Fitzpatrick went solo
and Nick Chubb at this Yeah, I mean what now
this is his second year removed from it?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Is it his second year? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
He came back. He came back, he came back halfway. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
So this is but like you said, like even him.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
With I mean, he's probably not what he was in Cleveland,
but Cleveland always has a good defense and a decently
sneaky good line and the Houston Texas O line is
not that. Yeah, it's not that, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
So yeah, uh yeah, so that's that's the Texas. I
really like the Texans chances, uh anything, I'm trying to
take chargers.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
With this, is you talking about O line that got
some hold?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, I mean they're out. They've been out there too,
best off offensive lineman for the local years. So I mean,
I don't know how. I don't know how far they
can make it, but I won't say this. I think
I told you this like weeks ago. If because who
would they play right now? They play the Stalls.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Right, they would be I think they would be the Stelish.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
If they pull off one win where Justin Herbert looks tremendous,
looks awesome. Justin Herbert to me over takes Joe Burrow
and my QB rankings. I think Justin Herbert is just
he is literally just one one like exactly from quiet

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and like if he wins what like the wild card game,
right plays what the second round, he doesn't even have
to win it for me, he just has to play well. Again,
if he plays well, but the Chargers lose just because
they don't have enough ammo to me, he's.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Because, I mean, let's be honest, justin Herbert has never
had what Joe Burrow has had from the skill position.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
He's he's never he's never had. I mean when that
to the Super Bowl, they.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Had uh because his name is mixing or mixing in
this prime Chase and Higgins.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
And pro receiver Boyd remember boy and the defense. People
forget that defense.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Had Bates who was the other guy? They lost the.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Other safety who was the other safety?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Like the back end of that defense.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Their safety tandem was good.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, I can't remember mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And it's nothing, nothing to take away from Joe Burrow
I was. I still I still think Joe Burrow was awesome.
But this is more about Herbert. And we have people
that a lot of in this fan base and one
certain person that we know that love to hate on Herbert.
I am a Herbert defender and he is literally just

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one playoff performance away, says a playoff performance away from
from me saying I told you, like, you can't get
on him anymore because he's done it. So yeah, that's
that's for So, I mean, any more takeaways from your
end when it comes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
To the a f C playoff picture, No, I mean
we did a whole hour.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah, we did, we did. It's it's gonna be a
lot of fun. I mean, like the NFC. We talked
about NFC a few weeks ago, and that's that finish
is going to be awesome too. But I I'm really
excited to see how to me, how the a f
C South finishes out, Like Texans and Jaggs man like,
I'm paying really close attention to both, to both those

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teams and how they want. All Right, let's let's get
to know huddle, let's get I was gonna do some clips,
but since we're already at an hour, let's well, we'll
hould it off. But uh, do you want to lead
anything off a no huddle.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
It's not being talked about enough. And I know it's
the second year for injuries for this team, but I still,
I mean, I know we kind of brought it up
last week. I still question if it was the right
call for Dan camb with a pool play call.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Reasonable, That is reasonable.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I don't think it was that bad. And it's almost
like what he's such a good manager of people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Right now. You see him glasses on call sheet in
front of him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Take you no way some of that. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know the answer to that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I really don't mean six losses this year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
I would love to go back and be able to
go back and take a look at what their futures
were for win totals for the year, you know what
I mean. Probably tell you if you bet the under
your probably were going to win some coins because that
was probably the stronger of the two odds, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
So that's that's that's just something for me. The Niners, man,
I don't know how they're doing it. Defense isn't that great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It's it's get if they're they're just trucking along kittles,
getting the kittles back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
He's healthy, McCaffrey's healthy. I mean, we'll see could they have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I don't know what their last three games is, but
that is three headed monster race for the for the
NFC West, you know, and they're going to also be
watching the game very very intently on on on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Now that I say that, let me just go take
a look at who they.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Have, because they they're probably if the Ramsen Seahawks are
playing each other, now that means most likely or not
that the forty nine Ers are going to be playing
the Cardinals at some point. So they go Colts in Indy, mhm,
Bears home, Seahawks home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Oh those last two games, m.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
There is here, so here we go. Here is a scenario.
Let's just say they drop two of these last three,
so that would put them back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Eleven and six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Let me look up the playoffs, so that's eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
And six if we take a look at the Lions schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Because the whole, the whole reason why this schedule comes
out like this is the NFL once week eighteen when
it comes around to people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
For people just to be playing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Got Steelers lines, so that they win that game like
we think they should.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Gets to the nine and six Lions Vikings in Minnesota.
That's a division game. You never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Let's so ten and six, then they close the season
lines Bears, so Bears have Yeah, Bears have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Packers this Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Never know what can happen even without even without Micah,
and we just talked about Bears Niners on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Then they finished lines Bears that last game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
So if the Lions can they went out, they get
some to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
I mean, they're playing with house money. Now at this point,
you can't lose. You can't you can't drop that. You
can't have a loss that at seven. You can't have seven.
You know, you don't get into seven. You may get
in with six. You got a head of your You
gotta hand of your business one game at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yeah, if they finished with the same record as the Niners,
I do wonder who gets the tiebreaker there. I don't
know I would I'm looking at the playoff probability. I'm
assuming the Niners because the playoff probability for the Niners
is ninety So that that tells me that they have
the tiebreaker. But I could be completely wrong, like I don't,

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I don't know, but that's very very interesting. And then
the Packers, as we all know, they they still they're
a nine to form one, so if they stumble, the
Lions can still overtake the packers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
And Rams is taking a look at everything all together.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Ram Seahawks Thursday, then they get the mini by then
they go Monday. They actually get the extra day because
on Monday night, on the twenty ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Falcons depending on what fucking Falcon team shows up?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Which one? Which one?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Who was the team from last Thursday? And Kirk Cuss
is doing that and Kyle Pits is going crazy, and
it's in Atlanta, and the defense is tough, and without Davonte,
I mean, Pook is just different.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
That's and then also here's the other thing. Who was
the defensive coordinator for Sean McVay for years.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
You don't you're not talking about Stealey, are you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
No? Were he Morris?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Morris? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
So we're here, and so you talk about somebody that's
gonna have familiarity with you mean, in this year, parody
has been ramping. I don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
I don't know. I really don't you talk about parody.
I mean, look look at look at the Colts. They
almost get to see Hawks with old man Rivers. I
will say this. Let me say this. I think if
Rivers was borderline Hall of Famer before that. I think
just based off that game, he should be in the

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Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, that's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Were talking about the Seahawks, right, We love the Seahawks,
we love their defense, we love Knon, we love JSN.
That is the type of game you can have from
Sam Donald when they're thirteen point favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
You know what's interesting, Pete, ever since they lost to
the Rams, Donald has been playing very very I'll shake,
I'll say that, i'll nervous conservative. He's I think ben
so like put up the start, I think where the

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Donald was leading the league in tight window throws before
leading up to the Rams game. After the Rams game,
he's near the bottom. So he's very tentative ever since
then of throwing those tight window throws. And I get it,
but Sam Darnold has always had awesome arm talent, yes,

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and he's he's always gonna be someone who's going to
be turnover prone. But man, like they got you for
your for for your ability to make your throws, you
have to let it loose. And so if he complays,
if he continues to play like he has been the
past three weeks, if he does that again on Thursday
and the Rams rams Win. They need I know that

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he had really bad interceptions. He's got to completely he
gotta forget about that. He's got to play how he
was beginning of the year or else. The Seahawks they
don't have the run game to make up for that
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
And then consistent.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
And you yeah, that team to pass the game what
JSN does, what Cooper Cup does at times?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Who's the young kid on his name is Thornton or
is he hurt for the Rams? No for the Seahawks to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Horton Horton Horton that that passing game from them, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
You need that marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
And once again, their defense, while not Texas level yet,
is very very good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
I think they're I think the second best defense in
the league.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
You would defenses right now are pol like this defense
is from a personnel perspective and the play card that's
calling the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Give me your top three in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Obviously, one is Texans, two is Seahawks, Three's Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Okay, So where would you put the Eagles defense in that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I think they're just a tad tier below. Yeah, just
a tad and it's not I think with the with
thee with the Eagles I think they do have a
weakness on defense, which is the running the run defense.
I think the run defense can be had with a
really physical running attack. So that's where I'm like, like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
I don't even with the healthy Jail and Carter, Yeah,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
I hope they're wrong. I hope I'm wrong, But based
on what I've seen so far, I think that's that's
the weakness. But it doesn't put it doesn't mean the
egos aren't a great defense. There are really good defenses.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Them are really good, are really really really really really good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
So that's that's why I think that's where whereas those
there's three different the three defenses you named, I don't
think there's a clear cut way to attack them. I
don't think there's like a glang like, oh, we can explore,
we can exploit this, like maybe some games they'll have
like a surprising like outing, you know what I mean,
when you catch them off guard. But I wouldn't say

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it's a weakness. I think with the Eagles that run
defense has quietly been average to blow average for most
of it, you know what I mean, but not not horrible.
But just like that's where you can.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
And it's weird because I feel like this has been
Jordan Davis his best year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Yeah, he's been awesome. He's been he's been awesome. So
that's why I put the Eagles just like a tad
tear below them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
But yeah, yeah for.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Okay, So my no huddle, we were I was gonna
do Michael Parsons, but we talked about impact. I think
I was talking about it's official that the Chiefs are eliminated. Yes, uh,
and it's kind of poetic fitting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Especially in the fashion that it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, fashion that happened, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
And Minshew had no reason to throw that ball.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
A Mahomes getting injured arians a cl like that sucks
to see the best quarterback in the week. I wanted
to on the solo show I did last week. I
wanted to have this conversation, uh with you because it's
good and it's a good thing that we've saved it
for this week because because now they're officially eliminated. What

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what is? How do I want to phrase this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I think going into this offseason, the Chiefs have to
have a long, hard look at themselves in the mirror, yes,
and reevaluate, reassess how they want to move forward with
how they build their roster, mainly how they build the
roster and how they want to approach their philosophy on

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offense specifically moving forward.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Like so it's like you asking these questions like what
what kind of identity do we want to have? Figure
that out? Like what what do we want to be
our call on card? And how do we get that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Yeah, because this is I am. I am worried that
this could be and I'm not saying this, I'm saying
I'm worried it could be the start of what we
saw the end of Andy Reid's tenure here where penning.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
On and hopefully he's learned from So I kind of
get I kind of get where you're going. My my
question would be not question, but looking at their team
on offense, I don't think the one thing, I don't
think they have a lot of money tied up into
players on the offensive side of the ball for I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Yeah, you might be right at least the skill positions, the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Skill positions they don't have. So that's another team.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
If you're going to put your put your name in
the eye, you cat right, but you once again, until
before you get there to start shopping for groceries. You
got to figure out what's have a million you're trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Make Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Yeah, they try to do things in the old line
obviously create Humphries and star Wark, but have got it
right with the tackles.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
The injuries and the injuries this year on the online
have been and the bigger factor because I like Simmons
a lot. I think that's that was a phenomenal, phenomenal
pick by them. So I really like Simmons a lot.
But yeah, they have to continue to improve it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Absolutely, and I think also even on it's like it's
it's the end of Could it be the end of
an era?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I mean I think I think eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Can walk away. Yeah, I don't think ninety five. I
don't think ninety five is as good as he was before. Yeah,
that's just age.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
That's just that's just age. You have to have to start.
I mean, listen, even I mean, I love Nick Bowen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I think he signed a deal, but even though kind
of not as much when that's but they got to
figure out do we want to be a team that's
going to score twenty to twenty four points a game
and have a defense as strong, or do we go
back to what young Pat was and go shopping for
go shopping for points, and do we start trying to
put up average twenty eight to thirty one points a game.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you can.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Do He can do it both ways. You got to
figure out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Having speG no there gives them flexibility because bags will
figure it out. Like you give him some talent on
the defensive end, he will make them. Like you said,
he'll make a meal. So these I'm not too worried
like that. He needs some upgrade talent wise in several spots. Yeah,
but you at least have that. You have the luxury

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of saying, hey, we have arguably the best defensive coordinator
in the game, and so we just have to upgrade
some spots. And I think he can be fine, Like
the defense can be fine, but the offense is lost,
and you have to the receiving options can't just be

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the same Moldigan, stop getting these small, small receivers please,
like and and I know receives just getting like he
came back later in the middle of the year. It's
probably not fully healthy or up to speed whatsoever. So
he's he's you know, he's locked into whatever he is,
like whether you believe he's your top receive, your wide
receiver one or wide receiver two, whatever, he's there. I

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don't think anything of the rest of their wide receivers, like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Is on speed, but once again, lanky.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Hollywood Brown the same things. They're all small speed guys,
Like how many do you really need? And so xavier'
Worthy they took him late first, that was always too
high for me. I think Worthy is a specialist. I
think he's like your wide receiver three who you want
to take the top off the defense, but like he

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hasn't even been able to show that you can do that.
But if you're if you get another legit wide receiver
talent she Rice, let exaber Worthy be the three and
be that downfield guy that he was supposed to be.
Now you're seeing some stuff, but like you've got to

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get someone like you can't like even if it is
like the minimum of what I think they should do.
The minimum is get Juwan Jennings and for you to
that's the minimum because he's a different mold of what
you have everywhere else. He is like a great possession
wide receiver. You need someone like that, especially with Travis
Kelsey not being what he is, so you need someone

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like that. That's the minimum of what they need to do.
So get that. And then even with the running backs,
you know, like I love Kareem Hunt, he was my
guy when he was drafted. You cannot center you're running
running attack on Kareem Hunt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Injury to Checko hurt a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
But even then, like Pachecko is like one of those
runners that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
It's not speed guy. He has speed, He's not an
a loosive guy. He's not a bruiser.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
I think he's one of the most, if not the
most unique running back as far as running style.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Absolutely, but you can't have him his rookie year like
he took the lead by storm because people didn't see
this coming, right, But I think with injuries in his
running style, like it's not sustainable long term. You can
still have a role for him if he comes. I
forget what his contract is, but like I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Think he's going into his last year, into.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
His last year, so last year you can still have
him be part of like a committee. But you like
you need you need juice at the out of the backfield,
and maybe Bushard Smith will supply that. But but Shard
Smith is. I think he's undrafted, Like he's not, Like,

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come on, get some real juice back there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
You think they can be in on a kid from
Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
My love. I don't think they're gonna pick high enough. Yeah,
top fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
So they're gonna have.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
To make like it's weird for them because this year
they're gonna have to make it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
They have to make a commitment to spending money free
agency or using draft resources or a little bit of both.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Yeah, you know, and and kind of realize that, hey,
we gotta we gotta restock this cupboard.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Mm hm. And you've got it. You've got to really
like stop stop going.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
You would be scary because I don't think I think
I don't know if you if I didn't hear you
or you gave it an answer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
To Kelsey retired, but I have Yeah, I think they
can also be in the Kyle Pits suit stakes. And
that would be scary.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
That would be scary. That would be another one. Yeah,
that would be another one. There you go. It's like, yeah,
that type of impact. Absolutely, you're talking about free agents.
I mean this free agent running back class as as
it's projected to be you're gonna have guys like Breeze
Hall and and uh and Kenneth Walker. Get one of them.

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Can you imagine Breeze Hall in the backfield. That's what
I'm talking about. Get a legit talent running back and
stop stop skimping like Andy Reid has got to stop
skipping at talent on the office of side. Can't keep Yeah,
you can't. And you know, just because we've seen Patrick

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Mahomes win super Bowls with Jags at at this compositions
doesn't mean like it's sustainable. If you were, I'm doing it,
Like you know, he had through all of that. At
least he still had Kelsey in his prime, right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
He still had You had a mismatch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Yes, you don't have that anymore. You need to you
need to reevaluate, you need to reto and and really
just switch up this approach because it's not It really
did not work how they thought it was.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
And it's also like now it's a different era of football. Yeah,
you've been good for so long.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
The game isn't the same game is what it was
when this run started.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Yeah, absolutely, they need and they need playmakers. I mean
the league is changing. I mean you have people are
playing more of like heavy set under center run game
is starting to come back. Obviously, explosives still are king,
so you still need to conjure up explosives, but the
way you get those explosives are changing. So if they

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want to change things up, they can. It's got it.
They need talent, they need more talent offensive. Yeah, that's
all I got. Anything, any last words from you, That's
all I got. Awesome, bro, this is this is going
to be for those listening, this is going to be
our are We won't have a show last week, so
this is gonna be our last show before Christmas. So

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