FlyersTalk Podcast: Flyers vs Sharks Live Reactions and Post Game

The Flyers will be taking on the San Jose Sharks when the boys go live! Join them as they pick up the 3rd period as they react to the game live and talk post game as well. Also on tap is Danny Briere has made another small trade for the Flyers moving Ethan Sampson to Tampa Bay for Roman Schmidt. Are these small deals leading to something bigger? Does Danny B have something up his sleeve? Don’t miss the conversation. Be sure to drop your comments in the chat and be a part of the show, and make sure you hit that like and subscribe wherever you watch or listen to Flyers Talk A2D!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up everybody? It is Flyers Talk a two D
live on a two D radio dot com Live reacting
to the Flyers and the Sharks, the Fins and the
Flyers battling it out right now three to one Flyers.
Can they continue holding on here and possibly get a
big win? Well, we'll give you some live reactions and

(00:25):
we'll find out. Stay tuned. Flyers Talk a two D
is coming your way. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to a

(00:54):
brand new edition of Flyers Talk a two D right
here on a two D radio dot com. I am
Matt Sincudi along with the Broken one Rob Povia.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Happy birthday, mm man. Yeah, to be twenty one again.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Right right, so long ago it seems. And the Darkwing
Brian Daily is not here, but he is here in
spirit and feel a little under the weather, so you know,
hopefully he'll he'll feel better soon. But we are brought
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that done. And our pole question for two day is
tk's post game comments after the loss to the Avalanche

(01:52):
makes you believe this team is a playoff team? Agree
or disagree? Obviously, Flyers taking an l to the Avalanche, However,
though they did have some comments afterwards. And while of
course there are those out there who are the naysayers
on the team, or there's always somebody who's trying to
say that this player isn't as good as this, or

(02:14):
this player isn't as good as that, it's good to
see that TK. At the end of the day, he's
showing that there's that fire and that passion in the
locker room that could drive a team to, for lack
of a better word for it, overachieve. I guess you'd
say all the same, though, Do you agree, Robbie, Do
you think that these postgame comments tell the tale that

(02:36):
this team is playoff bound or could be playoff bound
come the end of this come the end of this season.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Definitely, Maddie, to your point, this is an example of
TK stepping up and taking a leadership role as he
should for this organization. He had me fired up with
the hairs on the back of my next standing straight up.
But it was particularly when he was asked if this
was a measure the game for the Flyers, which you
could easily interpret it losing three to two to a

(03:05):
juggernaut Colorado Avalanche team, but Connecting stated this team is
past that point, indicating their expectations are higher than just
simply competing with top teams and looking good. Boom man,
that's what That's the answer you want to hear from
your veteran, from your team leadership, and you hear the
same from Coots as well, And both gentlemen put their

(03:27):
money with their mouth is by holding the team and
themselves accountable for what didn't go well against even the
mighty Avalanche team, probably guilty of watching them play a
little bit instead of playing the puck and sitting back.
So ultimately, this is what you want to hear, and
it represents what the expectations are on that bench, Battie,

(03:48):
that it is time to make a push for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, I mean, obviously we've been talking about the rebuild
for a very long time and the restocking of the
shelves of the flyers needed to do. There's a lot
of young talent that is here on this squad, to
make no mistake about it. I mean, obviously, do we
wish that they were scoring like eight goals five six
goals a night. Of course we do. But you know what,

(04:14):
the team is doing a lot of the little things
right and they're really trying to turn this thing into
something really special here. And even when Torts was on
his way out, he said that this is a special
group of guys, and you know what, in a lot
of ways, I think that's true because look at how
they've responded to Rick Tockett. You know, you go to

(04:37):
a new team, a new system, there's always that worry
of okay, are they going to mesh with the new
coach or is there going to be a problem. Is
there going to be issues? And so far they've been
responding very well to Tackett, and they've been learning from Tacket,
you know. And obviously there's been those little worries and
concerns about certain players. Obviously Mitch Kabb was one of them,

(05:00):
having taken the time off and everything like that. Instead
of staying focused and honed in and Okay, mistake made
as a young man, but you can recover from that,
and you can learn to recover from that very young players,
so you know, young men make make mistakes. He's only
twenty one, he just turned twenty one. He hasn't even
a day into twenty one. So it's like, okay, okay,

(05:23):
young kid, he's gone to make errors in judgment. I mean, hell,
think back to when you were twenty one? You do
were you perfect? No?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Are from it? A prom it? My friend? Still not?

Speaker 1 (05:38):
But all the same though, I do think that this
team does have a fire and a passion in them.
Can they be a playoff team? But the way they're
playing right now, the way they keep this up, the
way they've been responding to taking tough losses and then
rebounding with big wins, maybe even bigger wins, honestly, you
gotta give them something here. It's like, okay, still maybe

(06:01):
a lot of hockey left to be played, but let's
not you know, take away or disparage what they've accomplished
so far.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Right, And they've responded very well. This group has responded
very well to Rick Tocket, especially newcomer Trevor Zegris. Who
where would this team be without him at this point,
That's what you got to think about, and you better
be locking him. That might man up come off season,
because the point production that he's given you right now
is at an elite level. Responding what's up? Dales feel

(06:31):
better soon, man. He was on earlier appre show making
sure I was coming in smooth, and he looks like
he's on the men. One more night of eating well
and getting some good sleep. Hopefully we won't keep him
up too late and you can get that first clip
off early. But anyway, this group has responded well where yeah,
they're not scoring six to eight goals a game, they're

(06:54):
not that offensive juggernaut where where maybe we thought they
might respond to talking. But they're adapting that defensive style
that proved Vancouver to be a very good five and
five team, and this team is equaling that at this point,
playing very well on the PK and taking care of business.

(07:15):
So ultimately, I think it starts from there. And then
when you see guys starting to finish and have that confidence,
that's the extra work that you see going on in
practice at the whiteboard, running those plays again and again
and this is a group of hardworking guys, even your
elite superstar who maybe Anaheim thought his head was in

(07:38):
the clouds. All I've seen is a hard working kid
that likes to have fun, likes to ham it up
with the boys. And that's good. You got to keep
it loose. You need a player like CAZy, like like Nouble.
What you know, Nubes was back in the day, right,
You need players like that. But ultimately, Rick Taka has
steered the ship very well. Maddy, I couldn't agree with you.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, and I mean obviously when you were talking about
a defensive game, I mean that foundation was already laid
out because towards it kind of instilled that kind of
mentality to begin with. Now, did it work out for everybody? No? No,
maybe it was a little too strict, and maybe it
constricted some players. Obviously Mitchikov was one of those guys.

(08:21):
I mean, also on top of it two he's also
had to learn a few things this year as well. Again,
young players still growing. But the point being is that
while it didn't work out for everybody, the foundation was
laid for a lot of the players of Hey, let's
make sure we're on the right side, on both sides
of the ice, not just on the offensive side or
not just on the defensive side. Let's make sure we're

(08:41):
on both sides of the ice and we're ready to
go at the end of the day. And I think
that Talkt has taken that and he's helped kind of
establish maybe a little looser, but still a strong system
at the end of the day that can show, Okay,
we've got this. Meanwhile, I believe a penalty was just
called and I think it's on the flyers. Unfortunately, yes

(09:02):
it is. Mitchkov just got called for high sticking. So
oh god, good lord, that was egregious. Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
All right, okay, it's an expression there says it all.
It's a bad time to take that penalty, and that's
what you're seeing, you know, like in terms of like
I said, the leadership pointing the finger, this has been
an example of guys getting a little lazy, a little
axe dazable and taking dumb penalties at wrong times and
put yourself shorthanded. I mean, he gets tied up there,

(09:35):
and you know, one could say this, you know, the
San jose Ford kind of skated into.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
That, but you could say.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Ultimately that's how you draw penalties, and we saw we
saw gribenc and earlier in this game do that quite effectively,
so that that has to be the equalizer at some point.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, And that's the thing, Like, you gotta be careful
when you're doing that, because you're coming down and you're
doing this, it's like you're just asking for the rep
take a look, you know. It's like you just gotta
be a little bit more, you know, careful with that.
You know, I get it, you want to stop him
because he's coming in on your goalie. But at the
same time, it's like, remember it's the bad angle. As
long as the pipe is sealed, you should be okay,

(10:15):
you know, don't force the ref to have to make
a call on you there. But Swoothy saying, I think
fans and media are getting ahead of them of ourselves
with the rebuild. Don't rush it or feel forced to
go faster than they should. I think it's happening. It's
a mistake. I hope Danny B and Jonesy don't and
I agree. You know, still, it's good to shoot for good,

(10:39):
high lofty goals. Of course, there's nothing wrong with having
those goals, but you do want to take it one
step at a time. I mean, it's the same thing
as say, working out. Do you immediately start running a
damn mile in the gym? No, because you're gonna kill
yourself if you do that. You take your baby steps
before you get to that point. Are you going to
start lifting, you know, one hundred pounds deadlifting one hundred pounds? No,

(11:01):
you're not, that's ridiculous. Do you want to throw your
back out? Yeah, all right, you want to freakin do that.
But take it one baby step at a time, and
then eventually you get the results that you want. And
that's exactly what the flyers have to do, you know,
continue to respond well to adversity and the results come.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know, right, Well, Maddie, I like getting back to Rick.
I like how he takes the rings with the media,
and he does it in a different way from towards
in a way that's sort of amicable, like I'm your buddy,
but I'm gonna tell you how it is. And you know,
he got he got criticized for playing the fourth line
late in the game against Avalanche. But and this is, uh,

(11:47):
this is compliments of I want to give credits work
credits to Charlie O'Connor from Philly Flyers podcast. You all
know Charlie O'Connor legend. He goes talk it, quote unquote
go So what it comes down to is I'm a
culture guy. The shift I'm talking about, I don't remember
the one in the second period. You guys are draggon

(12:07):
tongues on the bench. You know, we have guys dragon
tongues on the bench, and our team is a team
that needs to use the bench. They're going to be
playing eight nine minutes. I thought a couple of games
ago they gave us some juice referring to the fourth line. Yeah,
they're struggling. They want to get some points. I get it.
We're playing long ball here though, and trying to get

(12:28):
them get the team culture. It's hard to play armchair quarterback.
Why can't you do this or do that? I got
some guys that are tired on the bench. I don't
feel it's right to use them or overuse them. He's like,
if you want to build a willing, winning culture, you're
running four lines and a culture where everybody relies on
each other. That's my interjection there. Getting back to his quote,

(12:50):
I've heard some people say it's better to put this
guy in this and that. I think that's bullshit. Personally,
this is a team thing. I'm a culture guy. We're
building a cold here, Well, five minutes left. Why do
I have the four fine out there?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
We have tired guys. Some guys had a minute and
a half shift. I look at two guys. Guys are tired.
One guy came off early. I've got to get a
shift out of the guys. Their NHL players. Maybe guys
don't think. I'm not saying you personally, don't think they are.
So I feel put them out there. That's what I
believe in. Are they doing enough other things? No, Listen,

(13:25):
they've got to produce. I get it. I get that part,
and we've got We're going to have to figure something out.
But in the meantime, that's what we have. That's what
I'm going to try to do. I'm trying to build
their confidence. I don't read the tweets. I don't listen
to podcasters allah us, I'd be out of a job.
I think this is a wonderful philosophy where how would

(13:46):
you not run through a brick wall when you're hearing
your man say that to the media, like, you know,
basically saying like I'm playing each and every boy, like
wherever you're at in the roster, we're a team. You're
building a culture, and it's more. It's still more about
the wins and losses, even if you're playoff relevant, because
if you want to build a thing that's long lasting,

(14:06):
he goes, he's saying, we're playing long ball here. That's
what they're trying to build. And I think it's really
great for sight. This is a more educated Rick Tocket
than when he had former jobs in this league, and
inst the Philadelphia Flyers betterment.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Right, right, And you know, I think and Brian was
saying that it was a big kill for the Flyers
on that, and it was. The Flyers did kill off
that penalty. And right now it's about three minutes left,
the Sharks have emptied the net. They were doing it
very very much in advance and dr down by two goals,
so I could see why they did it. With Damiens

(14:45):
saying as much as I like Zegres with the Ducks,
he needed to change I agree wholeheartedly, Damien, you are
one thousand percent right. He needed to change the scenery.
Swoopy saying, don't mortgage the future or give up picks
in a trade that's three years away. Keep building as
a young core first, make sure this team will be great,
and but within a young first, for a long sustainable

(15:06):
team long term. If we are going to make big
moves before three years, then do it through a signing
or free agency at a position of need they don't
have prospects at or will be up soon that will
hinder them.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I agree, except for one name that we'll mention later
in the show when we talk about Dandy Be's willing
and dealing.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Go on at it right, right, right, So anyway, but yeah,
getting to let's see here, Oh hey, what's up Wilson.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
And happy holidays. Happy holidays man, getting into the Christmas spirits.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Happy holidays, no matter what holiday you celebrate. Brian saying
I love that they are building a culture, and I
agree they should be. And he's also saying people undersell
the importance of culture in the locker room. That's true.
That's true. I mean we think about it in a
lot of ways. You know, people talk about like, oh, well,
the results are not always constantly being put up on

(16:04):
the board. I'm like, okay, yeah, bad nights at the office.
No one is gonna You're not gonna crush it every
single night. I mean, that's just not gonna happen, you know,
I mean, hell freaking per example, Flyers went out on
the road and they hit Dallas and at the end
of a long road trip they retired and they got

(16:24):
dunked on by the Stars, and it's like, Okay, yeah,
I'm not surprised that that happened. The Stars are a
fucking Cup contender, so it's like, okay, yeah, Jason Roberson
put a three spot on us and got himself a
hat trick. It's like, Okay, it happens. You want to
know what the Flyers did the very next game they won.

(16:45):
That's only that you need to know. That's really all
you need to know. At the end of the day,
it's like, look at what this team does. This team
responds very well to that type of adversity. Whereas if
we were on the tape two three years ago, he
could be on a long stretch of losses after something
like that happening. So let's give them credit. Swoopy here

(17:08):
saying Matt a few years ago on one show, you
absolutely went off on a tangent for fifteen yes, saying
Flyers kept always trading for vets and not build young.
We need to build those first, not buy a team
or trade for Make this team been built. Then if
you are in need of that, I want to hear
you go off again about that, saying to keep this
rebuild going and don't rush or get away from it. Well,

(17:29):
I don't need to yell and scream. I know that's
what you would want, but let me. I'll say this.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
We need the video. Where is it?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I think I do? I'll look it up. But my
point is is that I only really rant when I'm
feeling like I need to rant, and right now I
don't feel like I need to, you know, like genuinely,
I just feel like, right now they're doing what they
have to do, you know, and a lot of it.
They haven't really been trading, they haven't been doing anything weird.

(18:02):
They haven't been making any crazy ass signings that would
leave you scratching your head wondering, what the fuck are
you doing right now? You know, it.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Seems like their contendent there's they're, they're they're they're they're
they're more than measuring up the teams to where you know,
to what you know what t K was saying after
the Avalanche game, right, they're showing that that strong effort,
that resiliency despite you know, they outshot the Abs fourteen
to three in that third period, you know, And so

(18:34):
I mean that that's what you want to see. Just that,
you know, we talked about that the last time that
I was on with you boys, you know, about how resilient,
and that's all I heard. That was like a ringing
message that you know, like from any anything you were
hearing or reading about this Flyers team. So that's what
you want to see. And in the mean term, you're
not You're not, You're you're hoping. And oh I just

(18:54):
missed the empty night, I know by hair Yeah minutes.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, at least Everston got back up
bringing one of the sharks fell right in down.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
I'm a little bit behind. I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's like that. He's a base back up, none worse
to wear.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right, I was like, ohh but yeah, that was close.
It almost went off of Bill Smith's stick and almost
grazed right into the net. This is what it is.
Yeah that okay, So that's what happened. It looks like
Celebrini got dumped and then he rolled right into I

(19:40):
give credit though to the Flyers have kind of negated
uh Celebrini tonight. So and that's not an easy thing
to accomplish because Celebrini has been crushing it this year.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
So I mean that this is the Maddie Bowl like
so to speak, right, Yeah, you're familiar with those squads,
like much like when the Flyers are playing and Anaheim.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
For Brian absolutely and TK just got himself an empty netter.
So that is lovely to see.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
And that's that's the hockey gods give it, you know
what I mean, Like playing the right way, saying the
right things, encouraging the team, and then he rewarded with
an empty netter.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's right. Let's see here we got John Chiman and
what's up John saying? I wonder when we will see
last year's Mitchkov. Want to wish everyone a very merry
Christmas and a happy and healthy New year. Thank you, John,
We wish you the same. And will we see last
year's Mitchkov? So we might see it. I'm gonna say this,

(20:38):
I think we'll see it in the second half that's
my prediction for that. I'll say we'll see it in
the second half. I think, because he took that time
off and everything, he's starting to get his feetback under
him and everything. I think we'll see it later on
in the season. I don't necessarily think we'll see it
right now. That doesn't mean that he won't contribute, but
he will. I just think that again, and the time off,

(21:02):
I think cannot be overstated. You take some time off
and you start, you know, you're not as focused on
what you should be focused on. You're gonna fall back
a little bit. And I think that that's what we've
seen this year right again. It's a maturity thing, you know,
and it's just something you grow out of, you know

(21:22):
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
But we have seen flashes of it though here. Yeah,
I mean we saw on a breakaway tonight he had
a gorgeous opportunity and Catoria is really looking for him
up ice and and they're really developing good h communication
on the ice and when the feed him, because we
saw that result in a goal uh lately during their

(21:43):
excellent holiday road trip, and we almost saw it again tonight.
You know, you know, the Delkitch had to make an
excellent save in order to keep that pluck out. So
we're seeing it flashes, and yeah, I agree, by the
second half you're going to start seeing it more and more.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's also when the games really matter,
so so that'd be a great time for him to start,
you know, really showing some flashes of brilliance there. And
what's up, Chris, And thank you by the way, brother, Yep, yep.
Absolutely one for one for one young trades, I'm all

(22:24):
for well in a way, that's kind of what we
can talk about in a little bit when we're when
we start talking about the possibilities of trades coming into
that situation. And Flyers have officially won, Yes, and big win,

(22:47):
big a little present from the hockey gods for TK
after saying the words that he that needed to be said,
and also a birthday present for one mad VW. Mitchikov
getting a win for his birthday. And even though you know, hey,
also you know Vladar doing well, so solid, solid effort

(23:09):
from the Flyers here. They got the job done. I
mean they responded well after the Sharks scored and then
they tied it up, and then after that they took
control of the game. So again, credit given what credits
do Flyers playing well against the Sharks team that you know,
they have some talent, but they're a team that's still
working on themselves and still developing themselves. And while yes

(23:30):
they have a superstar in celebrating and they have a
really strong player and Will Smith as well, Flyers did
a great job of negating that really for the most
part and just taking full advantage of Okay, this is
a team that's beatable and they did their job at
the end of the day. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Good job from them, ay Man, And I want to
give a shout out to Ty Murchison making his NHL
debut tonight of looking up how much the young defenseman
he put up fourteen almost fifteen minutes of ice time
He started off early in the in the first period.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
He had like five or six minutes in the first period.
I'm like, what is that gonna give him like twenty
minutes of ice time tonight? I would see why. I mean,
his family's up in attendance from Arizona as they interviewed
during the game. But burchardson plus nine and twenty one
games for the Fandoms. He earned this call up to
make his NHL debut tonight. He's a big body defense
been six foot two, two hundred and five pounds, so

(24:28):
you know that that fills, you know, an absence that
this team lacks without Risto. And and uh he played
well tonight at times when watching earlier on before we
went live. Uh, you know, really making some good decisions
in the corner boards. So it's good to see this
team's depth and making you know, maybe names of deals

(24:49):
behind the scenes that he might not be familiar with,
but Danny being his staff are.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Absolutely And also uh, Carl Brunstrom his first game as
a Flyer and he gets a goal on time. But
it's a lot of really nice things happening. Yes, yes, indeed,
so very nice to see the uh to see that happen.
And uh the interview with Ty Murchison now who the

(25:14):
Flyers drafted back in twenty twenty one. So congrats to
him on his flyer his NHL debut, and congrats to
Grundstrum with his goal and his first one. So let's
take a look here see what else we got going
on in the chat. Swoopy saying, Bissonet saying trade Mitchkoff,
what a clown. Bissonett will say some dumb shit, so

(25:37):
I'm not surprised that he said something stupid like that,
you don't trade away a player who has all the
talent in the world to be a game changer. That's
really fucking dumb for him to say that. I don't
know why he said too many pink Whitneys. Anyway, let's
see and Swoopy saying he's growing. Absolutely, Mitch, Coll's growing
as a lot of young players are. And we're seeing

(25:58):
some really good dividends out there. What's up, don don
I hope you doing well out there? Man, see how
hopefully the red Wingers are doing well? And let's see here. Bruh. Yeah,
win for the Flyers. Yes, they needed to have a
strong win after taking that L two Colorado. A lot
of good stuff. Yeah he is, but chucking pink Whitney's.

(26:21):
You're not wrong, Chris, You're not wrong. Oh man. Let's
see here, and Swoopy saying Celebrini, what a freaking awesome name.
So cool. Absolutely, and the kid is so talented, Oh
my god, he is beyond talented. They're actually comparing him
with a young Sidney Crosby. Some even argue and say

(26:42):
that he's actually as good as Prime Crosbie already, which
is crazy to think people are already making those kind
of comparisons. That's first off, that's crazy to think for
one second. Secondly, on top of it, that's huge for
the Sharks because they need eat a superstar and for
them to get somebody like Celebrini, who has all the

(27:04):
potential in the world to be that, I mean, my god,
I mean it's crazy enough to already think that it's
paying dividends. Because the Sharks had actually been playing pretty well.
I mean, obviously they've been on a bit of a
skid a little bit. I mean, they still got a
win in Carolina. They took a nasty loss against the Capitols,
like it was a seven to one beat down against them.

(27:25):
Tonight though they take an l to the Flyers obviously
out of my love for the Sharks, my my love
first and foremost as to the Flyers, So I'm happy
with the result. Nonetheless, it just it's it's still good
to see that this kid, he's got so much talent,
and Will Smith's got talent. This is a this is
a very promising San Jose a team out there. So

(27:47):
all I got to say is the California teams are
making a comeback. I mean, LA has been in the
playoffs these last few years, but they can't get out
of their own way against Edmonton. But the Ducks and
the Sharks are very much rebounding. So uh yeah, specific
divisions looking a little bit more intense than it has
in the past few seasons. Let's see here soon Sharks

(28:07):
will have a better long term and win a championship
on like Edmonton after getting lots of high picks early
in the draft. I mean, I can't disagree with you,
Swoopie in the sense that I feel like the Sharks
have kind of approached their rebuild a little bit more maturely,
whereas I feel like Edmonton really got top heavy and
top loaded. And not to say that Edmonton can't play defense,

(28:28):
They've shown the ability to do that, but the problem
is is they do give up still a lot of
goals and they've had the issue of not having a
strong goaltender in the past. So yeah, Edmonton's had their
woes when it comes to that. But I will say
I think the Sharks are handling a rebuild a little
bit better. I think Mike Greer is approaching it a
little bit better, honestly. I mean, it helps that you

(28:51):
don't have to worry about big boy contracts right now,
so that does help the situation. We'll see what happens
when it's time for Celebrini to get his big boy
on track. But as so far, I'd say Career's doing
a really good job of rebounding that team. What's up
Heather saying hey, boys, a long time no see, hope
everyone is doing well? And hell yeah on the wind

(29:13):
damn right, hell yeah on that victory tonight. Yeah see
you got Bryce saying good Win, what's up? Bryce? He
you doing brother? And uh, I don't know. It's not
Christmas yet, but you know what, Hey, the Flyers gave
us a present early, so I'll take it. Let's see

(29:34):
and we've got are we gonna have a show the
next couple of weeks. Uh, We'll keep you guys posted
on that, so we'll see. I mean I think next
week obviously we'd have a show, But I mean as
for like the week of Christmas, I don't know. We'll
have to keep you guys posted on that one.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, set out that one, but yeah, I apologize for
this last week, but hopefully I'm back on a reliable
device now, you know, thankfully got it early. Well, you know,
it's always nice having your birthday next near Christmas, you
know what I mean. I was leaving it at that, right,

(30:15):
but I appreciate the generosity of people. They know who
they are.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh well, that's good to hear the Swoopy saying I
don't think the Sharks will waste their talent like Ed
Minton has. And then he grews with me. Thanks Swoopy.
So all right for say nice, I thought I was
stripping with a happy Christmas going around. No, no, no,
you're not tripping. So obviously, big win tonight for the Flyers,

(30:47):
strong rebound victory again shots on goal thirty to eighteen,
by the way, which is crazy. That was That definitely
shows the Flyers had control over this game, that's for
damn sure.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah. Yeah, from Jump Street. They came out and just
bull rushed this young San Jose A team didn't have
an answer till about the ten minute mark when they
got their first shot arm goal, which wound up being
a slam dunk goal in the back of the net
for a gorgeous play from Will Smith. What a playmaker
he is, gorgeous hands there in front of the net.

(31:23):
The name of the goal scorer from San Jose Graft, Yeah,
who has had an upstart season. In his sixth goal
on the year at Klingberg. You know, it was his
tiktak tal. But before that it was ten to nothing
in shots, and that trend continued throughout the You know,
when you're playing good in the neutral zone and you're

(31:43):
boggling up nice, you're gonna, you know, not forget about
eliminating second and third chances, You're gonna eliminate those primary chances,
which is ultimately winning hockey. That's the captain, you know, obvious,
it's you know, statement of the evening, but it is true.
So it's a great way to play hockey. But ultimately,

(32:04):
you know, you're seeing great play from Christian Dvorak, playing
strong two hundred foot hockey. Him chipping in with a
goal too to credit himself. Noah Kates continues to play
that role. You've got to like the way this team
has beginning, you know, level play from the center ice position, correct, Maddie.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, And it's a position that obviously in the past,
the Flyers have had their have had their interesting issues
with wingers have also been a question market times for
the Flyers too. Obviously, we talked about how the Flyers
really don't have too many natural wingers. But at the
same time, I think that the center position has been

(32:43):
a strength for the Flyers. You know, could the face
off circle be a little bit better at times? Sure,
face off circle hasn't been perfect this year, but they
have been getting strong play all the same, and they
have been getting a lot of strong two way play,
which is very important. So again, there's been a lot
of positives coming out of that position, and so credit

(33:05):
given where credit is due for the Flyers on that one.
You know, they're really working hard on not only establishing
strong two way play, but and the thing about it
is that strong two way play has resulted in opportunities
offensively and and have allowed opportunities to open up offensively
for the Flyers. You know, in a way, it's kind
of like, Okay, we have played solid on the blue line,

(33:29):
and then you get rewarded because the team gets stifled,
you cause a turnover, you get opportunities the other way,
or you can pounce on a team because they're already
frustrated and they can't seem to figure it out, and
then you take advantage of that at the end of
the day. So, if anything, I think that the two
way play has resulted in those opportunities going that way
for the Flyers.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
And you started to question, is is it derivative of
the towel pool that was already here or is it
resultant from Rick Tocket's coaching, Because did you exp level
of defense to be played by Noah Jolson Because I didn't,
And he's really made what we perceived as a big
time area of weakness coming into this season has been

(34:12):
not an achilles heel and maybe even of strength.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Absolutely, and I think again for Juleson definitely with Rick
Tocket being here, but I also think again this team
just already having that foundation put in place by Torts,
of that defensive mindset of hey, be defensive and get
strong on that blue line and you will get the
results you want on the offensive line. And that is

(34:37):
absolutely and that's something that I think absolutely that that's
what the Flyers have really done well of establishing strong
defensive play and has resulted in them getting the results
that they want offensively. Has the offense always been there.
There have been times where they've had some issues, but

(34:58):
for the most part, while they've been strong defensively, eventually
they wind up grinding out wins or they get a
big win because they have an offensive flurry. Can they
get a little bit more consistent with that? Sure, I
will give them that. It's like, Okay, I'd like to
see a little bit more consistency in that. However, though,
they're still getting the results they need and a lot
of it just coming from that defensive play and a

(35:19):
lot of it again Tacket carrying on a lot of
that foundation that was late and it's been getting the results.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I agreed. Yeah, and it kind of shows the mastermind
that Brier and Jonesy have become and it really it's
really become a great partnership. I was listening to an
interview with Danny Bay recently and he is just stating
how they compliment each other well, and Danny Bee is

(35:49):
an excellent identifier of talent and skill and what's going
to make at this level. And Keith Jones understands how
this league operates, and the two and the together you
know now Rick talk until it it goes to show
you know, I think there was somewhere in the back

(36:09):
of John Torrel's mind where he thought he'd be the
long term guy here, and I just don't think Candy
bing Jones he thought the same way. They had the
you know, ultimate plan was Rick Tocket their ultimate target.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I mean, it's hard to say, but I mean, at
the same token, though, if it wasn't so far, it
doesn't really matter, you know. And at the same again,
foundation laid Tacket's improving upon that foundation, you know, and
that's all you can ask for for someone who's coming in,
you know, and taking over a squad that again was

(36:48):
very defensive in its nature. He's taken it and used
it to that advantage and really helped enhance that. So again,
if that's going to be a strength, that's going to
be a strength. There's nothing wrong with that. You know,
it could work. I mean, hey, defensive hockey won championships
in the past. Wouldn't be a shock if it won again,

(37:10):
you know. Dale. Yeah, Dale saying center is a position
they need to address and get some natural centers. But
I agree they have been better than expected this season.
But I also saying defense has been really good. This season.
Imagine how much better they be when they land Quentin Hughes.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
You're reading the Q cards, my friend, you're reading my
cue cards.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
It's almost like he he he helped you know, write
the lineup for the show or something.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
You know, Well, I mean the Swoope's comment earlier, and
that's this is who I was addressing, is that that
would be the one guy that I'd be willing to
give up some of the prospect pool that we've collected
and or draft picks that we've collected at this point,
because if you can land at Quentin use right, and

(38:01):
it's gotta be you know where you're you're making a
lot of these underlying deals to maneuver money, but it's
gotta be a trading sign where there's an agreement where
you know you're get your trading and you're taking a
risk to get the leg up, to get the guy
in the building, get his foot in the door, get
him a taste of what they're building here, right, having

(38:21):
drink the kool aid, and then sign at long term.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
But you've seen a lot of these deals, especially in hockey,
where it's like a day or two after the deal
boom announcement of like the eight years you know so
well now would be seven year extension max contract. Now
I think it's place next year for the NHL.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Was seven or six? Is it?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Did it go from seven to six? I thought it
went from eight to seven.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
No, I was just double checking. It's probably you're probably
right on set.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I've been.
It's it's a busy holiday time, you know, targecue things straight.
I another fan agrees with me. But but in either event,
you know that's the guy that I would. I mean,
there's been talk out there, let's get right into it.

(39:12):
Dale's was pointing now till eight to seven, thank you,
thank you. So Tippett's name has been out there and
he's been showing good promise this year right also being
able to finish a little bit more, but still a
streaky player. But his name has been, you know, a

(39:32):
player of interest that Vancouver could be you know, you know,
interested and ascertaining. So if you could package him some
you know. Brian said that Jetlachenko's name has come out,
especially since it's like you kind of don't have the
room for him to play at this level and learn
at this level. While I mean, while he's at a
better situation with Brentford now right rather than in the OHL,

(39:56):
still he could benefit from playing on the NHL. Well maybe,
you know, Vancouver has that opportunity for him to do. So,
if you can bring in a quin Hughes and really
lock down this defense with Sandheim and Yorick and Jamie
Drysdale as your core four, I am in for it.
I'm in for it.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's been an interesting rumor mill
churning out over the Quentin Hughes situation. So Greg, you know,
Chris was talking about what would be willing to give up.
I mean, honestly, you know, I've heard Tippett, I've heard Sanheim.

(40:38):
I've heard that been thrown around the Luchenko one of course,
and then Picks. Honestly, I know, originally when asked, I
said Sanheim because I feel like it'd be just a
trade off of just having an upgrade to the position,
which I mean, I'm always fine with with an upgrade
to a position. If you're like, all right, so we're

(40:59):
trading one player for another player. It's the same player,
same deposition, but it's an upgrade from the other one,
it's like, okay, I can I can kind of dig
that at the end of the day. Plus also you
have the advantage of a former coach already on the team,
so that does add a little bit more to it
as well. But that will add no matter what, no
matter what you trade for him in the first place.

(41:21):
But as it continues to go on, I'm okay with
Lichenko going. I mean, I understand and I get that
you don't want to trade too many young pieces away.
I know that that would be one that I don't

(41:41):
necessarily like seeing go away. But at the same time,
if we don't have the room for him, that's going
to be a problem because it's like, if we don't
have the room for him, then what are we gonna do?
You know? And then obviously that's not it, because it's
not just the Jenko. I mean, we've got players that
have yet to really you know, Bank has had a
couple of moments here and there, but he's you know,

(42:04):
on his way to being on this team most likely.
And then of course, besides him, Martone is going to
eventually show up.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Jackson has been you know, you got a center where
he's a little bit further behind as an eighteen nineteen
year old, where by the time he's Jet Lishenko's age,
that opportunity is there for him to jump right in
the NHL and hit the ground running. So you're breaking
an egg now to make it later. And and and
as much as I've liked what I've seen from Jet,
he still have the smaller body variety. And if this

(42:38):
team admission is to get bigger, then you could make
a pivot there by and and end it up with
a very talented player with Quinn Hughes. So I don't
see how you don't you know, like you know, try
to make an orchestrated deal like that.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, yeah, what's up, Tommy, And you're right, brother, big
Win and and Chris saying, I'll say, if any trade,
if any team trades for Hughes, do it now so
he if he doesn't resign, y'all could flip him. Hate
bringing Miko up, but you have to protect yourself and
that is not wrong. Your head's in the right spot there.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
PRIs right. And that's the thing is that it may
not take what people are saying it will take to
get him if his intention is Look, Vancouver, I'm not
resigning here, right and they know that, and a team
like the Flyers know that it's gonna take time, right,
So I would try to orchestraight where you know we're
trading for you, will you sign this deal. It's a

(43:38):
done deal. You know, you work it between player and team,
and you've seen that done. You know in this thing.
Even if you want to just get him in the
building and then work at all that out later, right,
you still take the chance because just like Prince says,
you can flip them and still and still you know,
bring back the value that you lost.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
The thing of it is, though, is if you give
up a jet Lichenko and you're not able, that's a
bad look.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yes see, that's the thing that worries me. If we
if if you can't be if you can't get him
to commit to the idea of resigning in the future,
that is a little bit of a problem for me.
So that's the only thing that gives me a hang
up on Ques where it's like, Okay, if I'm giving
up a young player and I'm giving up a prospect,

(44:24):
I like, and I'm willing to give him to you.
I need reassurance, very simple. I need reassurance. Flip or
no flip. I still want reassurance because even if you
try to flip him, is it going to be a
guarantee you're going to get what you want if you do,
because that's also going to depend on how he performs
in your jersey, you know. So say he goes to

(44:45):
the team and he doesn't perform very well, He's just
kind of there and he's he's just a body on
the ice, not saying that would be the case. But
then you try to flip him and no one's interested.
It's like, yeah, I'm not surprised no one's interested in
play well, so you do, like you said, you run
that risk of that happening if you can't resign him

(45:08):
and then you trade a young prospect away that had
some promise. That's yeah, I agree with you on that one.
It's a little risky to be worried about that. Then
you're right, that's not a good look. A lot of
teams would be like, WHOA, that's piss poor.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah for sure. But I mean in the meantime, you
you know, you pull in, you know, a little like
little deals to orchestrate behind the scenes, Like you're pulling
up from Tampa Bay, Roman Schmidt as we just saw
Ethan Sampson being dished off for they you know it
wasn't really working out with Salamalu, so you know they

(45:47):
were able to get value there. So uh, I'm trying
to say, I'm trying to see who they got for
Salamala though. That's why I forget to talk with Brian
about it earlier. Let me see if I.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Can look that up well, why you look that up here?
Swoopy's comments saying everything you're saying is why I'm not
doing it. And I understand Swoopy, believe me, I get it. No,
trust me, I totally understand where your head's at. I mean,
it is a gamble if you really don't if you
don't feel comfortable, if like and that's the thing, like

(46:29):
you have to trust Danny to know, like, Okay, if
he's in the room and he's having the conversations, which
obviously he would be, if he feels like Hughes, if
he can't feel that reassurance, if he can't get that
reassurance that Hughes would want to be here.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Christian Cairou Whudell, thank you that too was thank you
who chimed in with that swoopy, thank you, appreciate you. Yeah, yeah,
which is that's a good move too, like I like
that name too underneath or whatever, and and and in
the end, you're you're, you're, you're freeing up spaces before

(47:04):
a bad way continue.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Ma. But I was just gonna say, like, yeah, And
you got to trust Danny to feel like, Okay, he's
in the room, he's listening to the conversation. If he
doesn't feel like he can get the reassurance that Hughes
would want to stay here, then I think Danny would
be smart enough to know, like, Okay, I got to
walk away from that, you know, like I can't. I
can't trust that, you know, And and I wouldn't either
if I was in the room, I'd be like, listen,

(47:26):
if I can't get reinsurance that this guy's gonna want
to stay here, then why am I trading away a
prospect for him? That makes no sense? I would rather
you could?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
You can you can risk you would rather?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I would rather if if I had to do, if
I can't get the reinsurance from him, if I can't
get that from him that he would want to be
here at the end of the day, if I can't
be convinced that we could resign him. I'm not making
that move, and that's that's my only hang up with him.
It's like, listen, I ain't trading away of prospect if
I don't feel like you want to stay here, you know,

(47:59):
like that it's the one thing that I could see
being a hang up. And I totally agree if that's
a hang up, if you can't if you don't want
to be here, if you don't feel comfortable with thinking
that you could resign here in the future. And it's like,
that's a problem. You know, that's a big problem. And
it wouldn't be a problem if we were trading away

(48:21):
just a pro now player and a pick, I wouldn't care.
But we're talking about a prospect that has promise, and
it's kind of like I don't want Yeah, I'm not
throwing that away for someone who's only going to be
here for half a season or two and then he's
not gonna want to resign. It's like, well, then what
did we gain out of that? We gained nothing for me.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I'm telling you, you know, trade this trade and sign
like you saw with with.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I can't. His name's fleet me too. Sorry, I'm off tonight.
But but in any event, you orchestrate that or then
you take your chances and you sign him be a
free agency and that could be a target for free
agency to Swoopy's point, you know, as more and more
money is available for Danny Being and company. So I'm
on board there too.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Right right, And that is true. The money is going
to be available there, that's not really the issue. It's
just the question of would he want to you know,
and that's the question of that's the big million dollar questions,
like would he feel comfortable resigning? You know, like that's
the real that to me is the one thing that
I feel like he has to lock down. It's not
so much the money, it's more of the hey, can

(49:35):
we can you get him to resign?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
That's where Mitch Morner, That's what I was thinking of. Sorry, Maddy,
oh oh, I got you.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Don don saying question for the fellas, what strength and
weaknesses for the Flyers? Well, definitely, defense is a strength,
I would say a weakness for us of center definitely
is a weakness. Although it's been playing better, but it
is still a weakness. If we had to go and
put the gun to the head on that one. I

(50:06):
would also say that while Vladar has been playing very well,
I am still concerned about Erson. I mean, don't get
me wrong, He's had a couple of decent games under his.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Belt, better blade too.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Right, But again I'm still a little like, Okay, trust
this is a little shaken on you.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
But you know, I got a man crush on Sam.
I always try to defend him. Just tell me to
shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Man crush on him. Yeah, next thing you know, he's
gonna be the second coming of John Mclair. Be hard
to do it.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
No, No, I don't know about all that for me,
dog do. I think a weakness is knowing when to
pinch and when they get back, and a lot of
times they've been caught flat footed and and then uh,
the defense has to back in and it's led to
odd man rushes, it's led to tic tac toe goals,

(51:04):
and that just comes with experience and knowing each other
and playing longer with each other. So that's something that
these are all like everything that I'm seeing weakness wise, right,
even when we're talking about taking a bad penalty there,
which to the PK's credit, we talked about how good
this team has been playing defensively five on five and
on the PK. Earlier on the program, which you can
check out, YouTube, Spotify, wherever you download your podcast, listen

(51:29):
to the whole program if you're just joining us now, right,
they've been better on the PK. They defended Mitchkoff's Aaron
judgment and that stick up high and killed that penalty
and immediately responded with an empty net goal which solidified
that game. So in the end, don't put yourself in
that position where you can give an opposing team because
you may not be playing a San Jose Sharks team.

(51:51):
To their credit, they're doing good within their rebuild. They
had a winning record coming into tonight. I believe they're
at five hundred now, but that's still good for as
they rebuild the organization in San Jose. But you play
against other teams with better power plays, that's gonna come
up and bite you. So make good decisions, especially in

(52:12):
the offensive zone. Don't take dumb penalties, and you know,
learn when the pens and they'll get that. They'll get
that as they get more familiar with each other, for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Matt, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Prince is saying strength wise, Winger's
weakness center depth. In his opinion, uh Brian was saying
Flyers will have control over Hughes next season two. That
is true. Yeah, Swoop be saying can we see Tippett

(52:42):
being a consistent seventy five point guy? And his follow
up to that is, if not, I'm trading him.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
M Consistency is the key component of that, And I
say no, I mean, and I hate I want to
see it because you traded the captain to get to
get tip it and you see so much promise in
them right, but consistency has been a bug a bill.
But I mean, ultimately I'm liking what I'm saying with

(53:11):
his linemates of recent Maddie, I mean Tipping. I mean,
you know, playing with with with Sean and Matt fay
right has allowed him to be, you know, creativity and
maybe not have to be the source the spark plug.
Let Matt Vey be the spark plug, you be the
finisherly No, and you see that at times, and I'd
love to see that with consistency. I'm not giving them

(53:33):
up for for a bag of nuts either, So but
if it can may end you at point of views,
I gotta be on board. With that, and if you like,
I'd want to keep saying Han too. I know Mattie
said his name's in there where you got to give
a big name defenseman back. I'm like, no, you're either
getting the big defenseman, the big name defenseman, or you're

(53:55):
getting the prospect. You're not getting both. I don't think
the asking price could be that high.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Brian says, it's a year of control, so that gives
a feather in the cap of the team that's trading
them because they have that team that year of control
right now as well. So but as you get closer
to that time period, the talk is ticketing.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah, yeah, And I would never like, no, I would
not be packaging Sandheim and a Luchenko if if if
we're going that route, no, like, if we're going to
go the route of trading Luchenko, then a pick will
obviously get thrown there. I think a pick will get
thrown in a either deal. But when it comes to

(54:38):
trading Luchenko, if you're gonna trade one other player, then
it's not gonna be necessarily a player that's on that caliber.
It'll be someone who could be on the team potentially
right off the bat but it's not gonna be somebody
that's gonna be a world changer. Or if it comes
to a Sandheim deal, you only get Sandheim and you'll
get a couple of picks from me. You're not getting
anything more than that. I'm not gonna give you both

(55:01):
in the same deal. If if you're asking both, I'm
gonna tell you to go fuck yourself. Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I might give you the Sanheim and Luchenko, but then
you're not getting tip It. And to Prison's point, you
want to trade from a position of strength, which is
a winger, not from a position of weakness, which is center.
So ideally you'd rather it be tip It involved in
that deal. But in the end, if you got to

(55:28):
give up both of them, then you're not getting saying him.
It's it's gonna be a round robin of those two
if if any perspective, deal gets done. And yes, I'm
just trading him. You know, you know, Swoopy, we're seeing
eye I now as usual, when we talk it out,
it's gonna give us an hour to talk it out,
just like seeing your your psychologists. Like when I see

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my strength, you know an hour and everything is right
as rain.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
You know what I mean, m M, And I mean honestly,
when it comes to the and to address you know,
Brier making the small deals, I'm okay with it. I
think that, you know, the trades he's been making aren't
exactly The players he's getting are good players to just
kind of supplement into the lineup. Really for the most part,
they're not gonna be guys that are gonna change anything drastically.

(56:14):
So it's like, okay, well, he's just suing things up
a little bit. He's tuning things up a little bit.
That's all he's really doing, is just doing some maintenance.
If anything, the trades are not necessarily anything that are
gonna change the entire outlook of the team. The huge trade,
if that happened, obviously that's the and I will say this,

(56:34):
the huge trade for me, if that does wind up
happening and it does come into an actual formulation, I
don't think Danny does anything else. I think he kind
of sits off of that. I was like, all right,
we got the huge trade done, We're not doing anything else.
We're gonna keep this calm now, because you know, in
my opinion, I don't think Danny wants to get trade happy.

(56:57):
If he's gonna do the huge one, then obviously I
trust Danny enough to know that it's like, Okay, he's
going to do his due diligence and he's gonna be like, Okay.
If he feels like one Hughes is gonna want to
stay here, then he's definitely going to enjoy the idea
of okay, we can start negotiating on trading him too.
If he feels like, okay, I'm not going to give up.

(57:18):
If it's gonna feel like it's a solid swap, then
he'll go for it. And then three, obviously, if he
feels like Hackett can bring him in and put him
right into that lineup and continue to mold him like
he did in Vancouver, then it's like okay, then why not.
But I think that that's where Danny's head's at. I

(57:38):
trust him that those are the three things he's taking
into account because so far Danny's been doing all the
right things. I haven't really seen Danny do anything that
would make me scratch my head right now. I mean,
I think, you know, I obviously I know some people
I've been worried about Mitch CoV and things like that,
but It's like, you know, I'm not worried about it.

(57:59):
I'm not worried about him, and I'm I'm not worried
about Takic coming in. You know. Obviously, I know a
lot of people always worry about the stigma of a
former Flyer always getting the opportunity above somebody else. But again,
I will reiterate this, We've gone outside the organization for coaches,
and that hasn't exactly paid off either. So I'm okay
with Takic coming in, and so far it's been a

(58:20):
really big plus for us. So, like I said, so far, Danny,
he's got my trust, he has my trust. I believe that,
you know, if he's gonna make a deal for Hughes,
I'm gonna trust it. I'm gonna trust it. I'm gonna
trust that he's gonna do it right and make sure
that the Flyers don't get screwed in the end. Right.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
I think he and tak It have the players here,
They have the players confidence, right, and you know, ultimately,
whether the deal happens or not, it's a great time
for them right now. Because I mean, unfortunately, and I
wasn't on last week to offer my you know, quote
unquote condolences the tyson Forrester. You know, just when you

(59:01):
know we got an e leade goal scorer right now
he gets hurt and you know had injury issues, you know,
coming into the season. Now going to be out to
three months with an upper body injury. While he's out,
you have a lot of an opportunity where you have
a gap in your lineup to evaluate your club for potential,
you know, because you're you're building this brick by brick

(59:23):
and that's what we're seeing with even the small pieces
and eventually leads to big pieces you build the foundation. Well,
you can see what you got at this point. You know,
there was some conjecture that you might see Alex bumpk
at this opportunity hasn't come to first yet, but over
the course of that two to three months, there'll be
other gaps in this lineup and you know it may
allow him to get his beat. We if they want

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to start the clock there right, Maybe they don't want
to start the clock there. I get that, but in
the mean term, you do have a solid opportunity for
Gribankan to play higher up and playing in a position
where he's filling that forced a role with Noah Kates
and Bobby Brink, And we saw earlier in this game
him hard work on the boards against San Jose, drawing

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a penalty if for nothing else, you know, he's playing
well with that line and you know, allowing the Philadelphia
Flyers to not skip a beat. So it's it's it's
evaluation time from top to bottom, no matter because just
like I said earlier in the program, talk it, we're
building a culture here, right and it's all about supporting

(01:00:30):
your guys and evaluation and and and ultimately you gotta
be pleased with the products so far.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, I could definitely say that Priz is throwing out
something interesting talking about Ryan O'Reilly coming to the Flyers
saying that Trots wants too much for him right now,
but the asking price should come down. That's interesting. I mean,

(01:00:58):
center ice wise, I know that he he's a lock.
There's not a question of that be interesting if the
Flyers would consider that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I don't like the age though, I mean I don't
think he's target you know, thirty four years old. I
mean he if you know, he would be that type
of player that I talked about brock Nelson last year
or the year before where he was available at the
trade deadline, and if I said, if the Flyers were

(01:01:30):
on that cusp of making a play, you know, a
playoff spot, you bring in an aging veteran like that
to give this young squad an opportunity to punch that
ticket to the playoffs. And when you make the playoffs,
no matter what happens in that first round, you help
accelerate a rebuild because now you're playing NHL playoff hockey
and you're winning to get there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Now, my question is how long is like his age
is definitely one thing, but what's his length of his
contract right now? That's that's the other thing to take
into account too, because obviously, depending I think he's making
six point two three million, I think it was, so,

(01:02:14):
I mean, it's not the worst contract that you'll ever
hear of, obviously, But my question is what's the length
because obviously there's going to have to come a point where, okay, well,
three years four years down the line from now, we
got to pay this guy, and we gotta pay this guy,
you know. So that's the other thing when we do

(01:02:34):
a trade like that, that's the other we got to
take an account.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
He's got two years on his deal, it'll be unrestricted
free agent in twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Oh okay, so it's not it's not that bad. It
only two years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
That's terrible, Yeah, terrible. But like I said, that's that's
an opportunity where you're just you're trying to get that
guy that could be a good face off Ryan O'Reilly,
you know, tremendous. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I mean it's interesting because I know that the team
wants to make the playoffs. But the question is, though,
is like, and it gets back to what Spoopy saying,
it is like does that feel like that's rushing it?
You know, where you go and you make a deal
for somebody like that. And also on top of it,
are what is Nashville asking for? You know, Like I
know PRIs saying, well, the asking price might come down.

(01:03:19):
It's like, well how far or what's come down? You know,
like like what's Trotz's version of come down? You know,
because if he wants something like really bad, like it's like, well,
here's the problem. You're asking me to trade for a
thirty four year old VET who has proven talent and
he's won a Cup. But at the same time, it's
like he's thirty four and two years on the contract.

(01:03:42):
It's like, I don't know he wants a first. I
mean yet, Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if
I if I pull that, to be honest to you,
That's the other thing too, Nashville is playing like shit,
which I mean National hasn't exactly been the same the

(01:04:03):
last couple of years. They went all in and the
whole negative effect has happened to them. It's crazy with
that team. I don't know that one. To me, I'm
not sure. I'm I get it. He would be a rental,
but again, it just depends on what I don't know.

(01:04:25):
First is I don't know. I don't feel comfortable with that.
In my opinion, I don't feel comfortable with given a
first for O'Riley.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
The way it was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Yeah, I mean a second, I've maybe, yeah, maybe maybe,
But ultimately I would rather give two lower picks get.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
You know, you know, like, what are the what are
the flyers? You know? Capital?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I think do they have to first? I think next
year I think they do again. If that's the case, though,
I still would keep them. I'm like, I'm not giving
away one of those for O'Reilly. I would give one
of those away for Hughes. I wouldn't give one of
those away for O'Reilly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
They have a for No, this is where it goes
back to where they have. They have just one pick
in the first, second, and third round. They do not
have a fourth round pick that was in the Zegers deal.
They don't have a fifth round pick that was traded
away in the Sean Walker deal for Ryan o'hanson. They

(01:05:38):
have the sixth round pick and a seventh round pick,
and then looking at twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty seven
is where they have two first if that's what you
were talking about, Maddie from my apologies, Yeah, they have
two firsts in twenty twenty seven. I mean I don't
think I'm partner. No, I'm not partnering with one of
those first in only twenty seven either, even if it's

(01:06:01):
a weaker class, because I'd rather, you know, a better target.
They have a second and two thirds. So yeah, I
would trade the twenty twenty seven second round pick for
if I was getting Ryan O'Reilly, and that would be
but that would be my best offer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Right because I mean, if we were not good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Then you can make up for it. We got two
picks in the third and then you're talking about that.
That's not rest draft. That's the following draft where you're
a little more rich and picks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Right, and then obviously the first round picks. It's just
like we're not even touching those. Like I said, I
would only trade, I would only think about giving one
of those from twenty twenty seven away if we're talking
about Hughes. If we're not talking about Hughes, I A'm
pulling out one of those first picks. Absolutely not sure.
And Chris saying I'd be okay with two fourths and

(01:06:49):
you split the years. That sounds a little bit better
if you're going that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Right, Yeah, I like that. Yeah, So it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Like, nope, not trading a second And I could understand.
I could totally understand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I was that Brandon when I said it too now
for sure? For sure. I mean like I said, you know,
you got two third rounds in twenty twenty seven, so
you can put one of those and then and then
a fourth round er from next year, you know, yeah,
your packaged lower picks.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Yeah, right, like that, that to me sounds better.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
You know, if you and they won't take it in
that that'll be fine, because you know it's not it's
kind of counterintuitive to what you're building here anyway right now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Right Plus, also like O'Reilly's O'Reilly's best years are definitely
behind him in my opinion, you know, and it's like
he's he did great for his teams, like I said,
he's won a Cup, but it's like, Okay, it's a
two years is not a long time, you know, I
get that. But the same token, I think, like what

(01:07:53):
you were saying, Rob O'Reilly would be great if this
team was a perennial playoff contender and was always in
you know, which the Flyers are getting closer to that,
But the same time being like, we still have to
make the playoffs for the first time with this squad.
We haven't even done that yet. So like you were saying, like,

(01:08:16):
if this team had made the playoffs last year and
the year before that and felt like they needed a
shot in the arm and needed to add something depth wise, okay,
I could totally see them getting in on that and saying, hey,
you know what, let's talk about O'Reilly because if the
center depth is a problem and you're a consistent playoff squad,
I'm like Okay, sure, sure of the center position, but

(01:08:38):
we're not even there yet, so it's kind of like, eh,
that's where my hesitation is right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
That's what I say, especially when you got you know,
a Devil's a Rangers team not too far behind the
Flyers and Penguins in the wild card. They're not solidified.
But if they're more solidified and you just need another
team leader guy to help this team get over the
hump or you know, to your point, like you're saying

(01:09:07):
they're a perennial and you're looking to just add on
to that, that's what that ideal, like that would be
more becoming of it if they were in that position.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Absolutely, Yeah, Like if we were in like a position
like say, for example, we talked about like Dallas, they're
a perennial Cup contender, they're in the playoffs every second.
Okay sure yeah, yeah, I'd like, okay, that makes sense,
like sure it up, Sure up your center position, go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Get reverse that question, Prinz is Dallas. Should Dallas be
interested in Ryan O'Reilly? I put it to you, Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah, Smoothie saying for years I wanted Ryan O'Reilly when
he was young. I love this two Way player, and yeah,
that's true. I mean O'Reilly was a really he's a
proven player. There's nothing question in his talent, not questioning
that at all. But it's just age, and it's just
we're in a different place right now than where we
would want to be if we were going to go

(01:09:59):
after somebody like a Ryan O'Reilly. Is that if we
can get a Tage and include tipp it, let's do it.
If we could get Tage Thompson for Tippitt, Oh my god, yes,
we're taking that in a heartbeat. Absolutely. I don't know
if Buffalo is that stupid though, I mean they're pretty dumb.
But you know, see Chris saying, so, would y'all rather

(01:10:24):
stay put and not subtract from the team this year
and tell the roster, look, it's your year, now, go
and take that playoff spot. I mean again, if we're
talking about someone like a Hughes, then I'm open to it.
But if we're talking about somebody like O'Riley, I'm like, eh,

(01:10:45):
I'm hesitant on it. You know, it's just it's a
different situation. You know, Like one is an established team competing,
you go get it. Roll Riley. One is a team
developing itself and trying to make the playoffs for the
first time. You get a younger player like a Hughes
who's already got some proven talent and has had some
great seasons under his belt, pull them in and add

(01:11:07):
to it. You know, it's two very different mentalities with
those two types of players in my.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Opinion, and Prisy and Matt you're both spot on because
that's exactly what it's doing. The words came out up
top of its mouth earlier in the show. I said,
they want to build a culture, they want to instill confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You don't go to add and you rely upon what
you're looking at in that clubhouse right now, and it's
an excellent clubhouse, you know, giving Bernie's mask every game.
It's really you like what they're building there. So you know,
let the kids play and it's on you go take
that playoff spot. I love it as well, said brother.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely and smooth thank you, saying if they
were already built team ready to compete and be ready
to win a Stanley Cup, I'd look into a veteran piece.
And then Chris saying the Stars have like eight centers
in their four lines. I think the Stars only have
two natural winners. Well, I was just using the Stars

(01:12:07):
as an example of like a team that's competitive right now,
that's always a Cup contender, just as an example. Doesn't
necessarily mean he's gonna that he would be perfect for
the Stars, just the different team setup, you know what
I mean. Like, Okay, they're a competitive team every year,
so it makes sense if a competitive team is going
after a player like him. But all the same though,

(01:12:34):
that will pretty much do it here for us at
Flyers Talk a two d Robbie, was there anything else
you wanted to throw in there in terms of Danny
making the deals or anything you wanted to add on
with the Flyers and Sharks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
No, not at all. Man, a great win tonight, you know,
good to see a rebound from the loss of Avalanche
and keeping playoff positions. So I love what I'm saying. Man,
it's fun to be a Fires fan. Again. It's never
been a lack of fun on this show. But when
I'm watching the games outside of the show, it's it's

(01:13:09):
a lot more fun. It's a lot more juice in
the building, and and and it's a plus job on
everybody's behalf.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Absolutely, it's nice when the team is starting to bear
some fruit from the from the efforts that they've been
putting into rebuilding. So we thank everyone for joining us
here at Flyers Talk A two D to everybody out
there and a fan who chimed in tonight, as always,
you are the lifeblood of this whole franchise we have here,

(01:13:39):
so thank you very much for staying with us and
supporting us. We love you guys. Thank you very very
much for that. Next week obviously, we will be back
ready to go. Let me just double check here, see
if we have a game next week to react to,
and we do. We do, actually we do. We will

(01:14:04):
have the Flyers battling it out with the Montreal Canadians.
So how ironic because we actually reacted to a game
from them previously, ironically enough, and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I believe that was a Flyers win. So a Habs
team that will be coming in looking for revenge.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Absolutely, So from all of us here at A two
D Radio, we love each and every one of you.
We hope you stay safe, you stay healthy out there.
As we said earlier tonight, happy holidays no matter what
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