Lazy Booking Podcast EP:26 Special Guest Vince Russo- Cena's Final Match Saturday Night's Main Event Preview

WWE’s John Cena Farewell Tour has been satisfactory: #AGREE or #DISAGREE?
Has the John Cena Farewell Tour been satisfying?
Heel Turn at Elimination Chamber
Highlights and LetDowns of the Tour
Saturday Night’s Main Event Predictions

WWE Saturday Night’s Main Event will make the final stop this weekend for the John Cena Farewell Tour, stopping in Washington DC for his last in-ring wrestling match against Gunther, the winner of the Last Time Is Now Tournament.
We’re excited to welcome one of the most creative and influential figures in the history of professional wrestling, Vince Russo! Vince’s creative mind helped influence the infamous Attitude Era, as well as some of the most memorable moments in WCW history. Vince joins us to discuss the entirety of John Cena’s final run. We discuss all major events, including his heel turn at Elimination Chamber, defeating Cody Rhodes at WrestleMania to become WWE Champion for a record-breaking 17th time, and his version of the Pipe Bomb. We discuss his feuds and matches along the way, including his final confrontation with CM Punk, his classic against AJ Styles, his series of matches with Cody Rhodes and Dominik Mysterio, and getting squashed against Brock Lesnar.
We also discuss the booking of the Last Time Is Now tournament. Did it succeed in creating moments and stars under Cena’s name power? Was Gunther the right decision or should someone else have gotten the spot?
We debate the successes, the failures, and if the final run was satisfying enough for wrestling fans.
Finally, we preview Saturday Night’s Main Event. Should John Cena win or lose his final match?
You do not want to miss this episode of the Lazy Booking Podcast, and join the conversation LIVE!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
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Speaker 4 (00:18):
I did not even I love I love that.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
If I get five limit and they're all in the
same room with me, we're going at it at one.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Hundred and ten percent.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
What's going on everybody, Tuesday night? Here on a two
D radio. This is the Lazy Booking Podcast hosted by myself,
Chrome and my compadre here, mister Eric Archer. How are you, brother?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
What's happening? What's going on tonight? What do we go?
Not too much?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
We got yeah, listen, a very exciting show tonight. We're
happy to welcome a special guest, one of the most
influential creative minds in the history of professional wrestling right
now currently working with j c W the Juggler Championship Wrestling,
and I mean doing a lot of great work as always,
mister Vince Russo, what's up, brother?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah? Bro?

Speaker 5 (01:18):
I got to uh, I got to I'm looking at
myself here. I gotta apologize for my BedHead, because guys,
you got to understand at my age, I need to
take naps before I do interviews, so I took a
nap right before this show, so I got a little
bit of a of a BedHead going on.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
So I just want to apologize for that much.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Oh you're good, brother, I mean good, look good.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You have you seen this beard? It looks like I've
been laying flat on it for probably the last ten months.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
So you're all good.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hey, we're happy to have you and we're excited to
talk to you this week and next week. Vitch is
going to join us. This week, we're gonna talk about
a very specific topics, something that you've talked quite a
bit about. It's going to be the Johns i'sen a
farewell tour as well as the upcoming Saturday Night's main event.
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we were talking about beforehand, and we let you know
it's a to d agree to disagree radio. What we
like to do to kick off every show here is

(02:34):
start with an agree or disagree statement, and I feel
like this one's gonna be a really good start here.
So our opening statement for tonight is ww's John Cena
f Farewell Tour has been satisfactory. Agree or disagree to
that statement, And wherever you guys are at Facebook, YouTube x,

(02:54):
please comment, in, like, subscribe, follow, and most importantly really
join the conversation. Will pop some comments up for Vince
to react to if he's feeling froggy, and uh, we're
gonna talk about whatever you guys want. But yeah, how
do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Vince? Okay, satisfactory?

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Yes, I was very specifically, it doesn't matter absolutely disagree
like this.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
This was god awful.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
You you you almost you almost would have to purposely
write for it to be this bad.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
In order for it to be this bad.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
This was I'm gonna say, the absolute worst.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
It absolutely could have been.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Really wy Yes, So I'll go next here. I'm gonna disagree.
If we said the success, I would one hundred percent
disagree to this, but I'm gonna agree. I'm gonna agree
to the poll for this reason. I believe it depends
on what your expectations are going in. Right. To me,

(04:06):
satisfactory was seeing what Johnson has been over the last
couple of years. I mean, but for all intents and services,
what he has done is he's been a guy that's
been a shell of himself. He's done the job for people.
He started to look a lot older. It just seemed
like we were just putting him out there, right, to
put him out there and get a cheap pop, right.

(04:27):
And I know that there are specific events that we're
going to talk to you about, but I feel like
when I look back at this and we're talking about
thirty six dates, I felt like we got enough matches
that when I sat and I watched and I said,
I felt like we had the clocks turned back a
little bit. And then on the other side, you know,
we're going to talk to heel turn probably in a minute.

(04:47):
I think Eric's gonna bring it up. I have a
comparison that I think was around the time where you
were with WW or maybe you just went to w
CW that I look at and I just I think
we got moments and we got flashes, and we had
promos that I saw with some of the best work
he's done in so long that as a whole, there

(05:11):
are holes all over the place. I don't disagree, but
I had enough really high moments that I felt satisfied
with what I got.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
So for you.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Guys, hear that is that like, that's not that's not
me bro they boom you out of the building.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
That's not nort started.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
I am not responsible for the fan base that just
booed you out of the building.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I am not responsible for all.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Right, I'm Madie, I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm here and everybody out with a very very open mind.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Okay. So a lot of ebbs and flows in this, uh,
in this entire saga, right, So start off really strong,
uh just kindind of went from ten to zero and
a lot of just like good stuff and then not
so good stuff, and and I feel like I'm I'm

(06:12):
leaning the fence here a little bit. I would, I
guess I would say, but I'm gonna disagree to the
poll only because the start of it and where it's
gone and kind of the things that Seene has been
saying regarding kind of giving back, I don't think he's
given back enough to to young talent. And I think,
and we're going to talk about it later with the

(06:34):
with the tournament, we've kind of we kind of talked
about it on the side, Cromb and myself about with
with with our friends talking about where, you know who
who's he made better as we've gone along, And you know,
you could argue dom Maasterio, but I think looking at
you know, some of the younger stars they have an

(06:56):
NXT and some of the guys that they don't utilize enough,
maybe there was an opportunity there to to build them
a little a little more, especially in that tournament where
he had sixteen guys and there were you know, there
were some flashes of you know, guys coming back and
then some of the talent that they currently have on
the roster and somebody who is going to be facing
John Cena who may not may questionably may not even

(07:18):
need it because he's already been established. So I'm going
to disagree just because but I think there were there
was some good things, but I think there just wasn't.
I think what they were trying to accomplish just wasn't
accomplished completely.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Yeah, listen, we're on different pages here, guys, because this
was horrible and listen, he he Here's where I'm going
to give him.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
The benefit of the doubt. And bro, I listen.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
People always say I'm critical of the WWE. I cannot
tell you how many times I say, I'm going to
give them the benefit of the doubt. And here's what
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
And here's where I'm going to give them. I'm going
to bury. Okay, here's the benefit of the doubt going
into the John Cina Heill turn. Everybody was on board.

(08:09):
And how do we know everybody was on board? All
you have to do is watch Unreal. When you watch Unreal,
everybody was on board. You see you see Hunter standing
there when Rock is going over the promo with him,
and Rock is doing this, so we know at one
point everybody.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Was on the same page. We know that.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Okay, here's here's the reality. Something went horribly wrong. And
I'll tell you what I think the horribly wrong was.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Guys.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
You got to go back to a year prior when
Rock wanted it to be him and Roman reigns, and
then you know the the internet wrestling community and the
marks and you know, Dave Lacgreca threw on his freaking
girly robe and now what touching out cry. Cody's got
to finish the story. Cody's got to finish the story. Okay,

(09:04):
So at that point that is number one. Now Rock's overruled, okay,
because we had already set it up in ring. Remember
remember when when Cody said, you know, I'm gonna destroy you,
but it's not gonna be for the title.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Here here's what the plan was gonna be.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Uh, Cody was gonna take the Lola Fallana from him
and then Rock was gonna take the title. That was
the plan, But the Internet wrestling community, the grecor in
his robe, Cody's got to finish the story. Rock got
if if if, if, if I know Rock, you guys

(09:44):
gotta understand Rock. So me knowing the Rock the way
I I I think I know the Rock. Rock was
convinced in his mind that the right way to go
and the money match was him in Roman reigns. Because
Rock is probably thinking casual wrestling fans and not the
Internet wrestling community.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
So when they.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Started over riding Rock knowing, Rocky probably just said effort.
Go ahead, go do whatever you want. Okay, that was
first major disagreement. Now we get to the scene of
heel turn, and there's a second major disagreement because whatever
that disagreement was, from that point going forward, Rock pulled

(10:30):
himself out of everything everything. So that's why, Okay, bro,
there was a track record the first time I suggested
you brought me in. I suggested we do it this way.
We started going down that road.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Then you changed it.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Now I'm suggesting we do it this way, and something
came up, and Rock just.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Pulled himself out of everything.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Now that's where I give them the benefit of the doubt, because, guys,
shit is going to happen. There's no question about that, Bro.
Shit is going to happen. Shit is always going to
happen in wrestling. People aren't going to agree, people are
gonna get hurt. Shit's always going to happen. But here's
the problem.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
At that point, when you're not going down that road.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Now you've got to pivot. Now you gotta go to
plan B. It happens all the time writing wrestling. Guys,
there was no plan B. They were not prepared for
a Plan B. So now we go from week to

(11:37):
week to week to week to week with no story,
no angle, and everything is meaningless, absolutely meaningless. Whereas by
the time we get to the last match. Quite frankly,
I don't even think John Cena gives a shit. So,
like I said, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Shit happened with the.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
Rock clearly, whatever happened in the back, Bro, I believe
there's a huge power struggle between Rock and and and Hunter,
and I think Triple H continues to bury himself and
at the appropriate moment, I really do believe he's going
to be out of there, and we may the Rock
in there.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I believe that.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
But Rock also just got nominated for a Golden Globe today,
So I don't think wrestling is really number one, Bro. Honestly, Bro,
if wrestling were a high priority for The Rock right now,
Triple H would not be there as far as I'm concerned.
Thank God, Thank God for Triple H. Rock still wants
to act. Rock just got nominated for a Golden Globe. Congratulations,

(12:44):
But Bro, the failure to pivot and the failure to
come up with a solid plan B from that point
going forward, this, in my opinion, has been an absolute disaster.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I mean, I think we're all on the same page
with that, right, And I'm glad you brought up on
real because you're right. When you watch that, everybody says, well,
I called this person, then we went to this person.
It's the whole big web, right, We're connecting all the
strengths to make sure everybody who needs to know is
in the know.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I'm very curious to see at what point, because again,
I don't know if Rock totally pulled himself out where
there was just some sort of a misunderstanding that he
was not going to be a part of WrestleMania. You're
probably more right. At some point something happened and he
got pulled out on it. But it is very odd
to me.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Here's why I know he pulled out. Here's why I
know because Bro.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
At a point, Bro, he went absolutely silent on social media.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So I did not mention the WWE. Bro. Meanwhile, you
got to understand, this guy's on the board. This guy's
on the board.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
He's making millions and millions of dollars from the WWE.
He's said nothing, He never put Sena over, he never
promoted anything.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
He went air silent.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
On social media, So that that tells me this guy
was pissed off and said, you know what, go do
whatever you want to do, but just know that number one,
I'm not going to be a part of it, and
number two, I sure as hell ain't gonna promote it,
because he promoted nothing after that.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, I think he went on He went on McAfee
the day after WrestleMania and he kind of explained it
where he was like, my job is done, I'm here
you go, and it exactly, it just didn't sound like
it was there. It was the thing that they were
gonna do. It just felt like out of nowhere. He
was just making like.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
That was the piece that took you back because it
was like yeah, and he's sounded like there was never
a plan for him to move forward, and it's like.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
What And that's that's where he made the separation right
right there. He made that separation and when he talked
about moving on, bro, he never promote them, He never
put anything over, he never showed up again.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
So that that tells me, without.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
A shadow of a doubt, there was a personality conflict
and ninety nine point nine percent it was the Rock
and Triple ah yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Now looking, we'll go We'll back up a little bit,
uh to elimination chamber, where where the actual hill turn
took place, you know, and say what you will about
you know, what happened and all that stuff. Then do
you think that that moment itself, just the moment itself,
you know, compares to you know, the shock value. I

(15:41):
have a hard time trying to find something over the
last like modern era, probably the last twenty years that
was as shocking as that moment is concerned, just the
just the moment itself. Do you think that, you know,
that moment helps or hurts Scena more as far as
his legacies concerned.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I think it hurts see it, guys. A lot of this, yes,
you know. And again man, I'm a writer and a producer. Ye,
and that's how I always look at everything. Okay, A
lot of this is the failure in the writing and
the producing and you know, just the orchestrating of all this.

(16:19):
That's the failure. Because guys, listen, man, people are comparing
this to Hogan right off the bat. They built that
there was going to be a third guy. They built
that up, They set the table. Setting the table is
something very very important in wrestling. They set the table,
Hogan comes out, you think Hogan's a babyface. This is

(16:42):
all the setting of a table, and then you know
Hogan's the heel.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
That was a plan they.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Talked about that they they were able to pull that
off successfully.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
There was no built to this.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
There was the Rock getting uh uh, you know, trying
to get you know, to Cody joined the dark side, whatever,
the the old Dog vaga.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
There was that there was.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Sina was not involved in that in any way, shape
or form. So if I'm writing and that's the road
I'm going down, the word I keep looking for is execution.
Execution the road I'm going down. If that's the way
I'm going, I am building to that moment to really.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
For two things.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Number One, to make it a holy shit moment. Okay,
and it was you. You can make anything a holy
shit moment. Anything, a Becky Lynch turning on seth Rollins
is a holy shit moment. But here's the key, most
important thing, Bro, It's got to make sense. It's got
I've got to understand why that happened.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's got to make sense.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
So, yes, they created a holy shit moment, but they
created a holy shit.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Moment that did it make any sense?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
That was the problem, and Bro, that is all in
the writing and the execution.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, I mean I've made the comparison, right. I think
anyone who compares this to the Hogan heel turn at
WCW is.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Out of their mind, right, I made it.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think it more correlates to when you go back
to WrestleMania seventeen, right, and execution is the keyword you
use there, because I look at Austin turning on the
rock and turning heel, right, I think in hindsight, all
these years later, you know, obviously the follow up and
execution of the storyline after the fact was not good. However,

(18:39):
when you look at the moment though, people still go
back and WrestleMania seventeen is still highly regarded as one of,
if not the number one, one of the top two
or three manias of all time. And that's a moment
that lives in infamy in its instantaneous space. And that's
kind of where I feel like this lies. The execution
is awful and the fact that it carried on like

(19:01):
they should have pulled the plug for Wrestlemanian pulled Travis
Scott out of this whole thing, and they could have
figured out a different way to do that at Mania,
because I think the fact that they still carried that
on at WrestleMania it hurt your main event, what your
most anticipated matches of two nights. But I digress on that.
But I still think that the moment and the shock,

(19:23):
and you're right, you can, you can come up with
a lot of shocking moments, but there isn't many John
Cena turning heel, Hulkogan turning heel, Steve Austin after joining
Vince McMahon. Not many of those types of moments, And
that's where I think there will be a place for
this long term. But one hundred percent of the execution

(19:44):
was terrible. Yeah, and they took way too long to
pivot from it.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
I don't think long term, bro, because of the follow up. Listen, man,
A long time ago, A long time ago, I have
labeled guys, I'm a writer. Okay, Triple H is the
King of Pops. That's what I call Triple H the
Kig of Pops. What that means is he knows nothing

(20:10):
about writing, he knows nothing about building an angle, he
knows nothing about execution. Guys, we just had a Survivor series.
I want to be you know, Yeah, I'm a Triple
H hater. No, I'm a bad writer hater. I'm a
bad writer hater. Because let me give you an example.
We had a maxed Man screw the Babyfaces at Survivor series.

(20:33):
We've now gone two weeks in a row and none
of the babyfaces have even appeared on television. That's god awful.
You should be fired because you know what that tells me.
So the babyfaces don't care who screwed them in war games.
They don't give a shit. They care so little that
they don't even show up for the show. So what

(20:56):
you've done there is now you've buried your babyfaces. You've
absolutely buried your baby faces. Triple H is a one
trick pony. He is the king of pops everything he
does because he can't write.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
He can't write a story arc.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
He doesn't know how to bill momentum, he doesn't know cliffhangers,
he doesn't know how to bill suspense. So it's all
about the pop seen as he'll turn was a pop,
just like Nikki Bella returns, that's a pop. He'll comes
brock Lessner for the eighty ninth time. That's a pop.

(21:32):
That's how Triple H writes.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
So because it was so weak.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
After that moment, it's going to become an unforgettable moment
compared to the NWOO, which you will never forget because
after the Hogan moment.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
They reak tavoc.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Bro, I can still remember Kevin Nash darting Rayma stereo
on the side of the I can still remember that
because they followed up with that. This is not going
to go down in history because it went south so
fast that nobody's.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Gonna even remember it.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
That's my opinion, Bro, And again everywhere every place I
come from is really a writer's perspective that that's where
I come from.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, no, I do, listen. I can't disagree with your
point on that. You know, I'm not in the inner circle,
so I don't know in terms of Triple Ahs, but
as a writer, I can. I can see the frustration
in certain isadac As a consumer, there's been a lot
of frustration on these things. But obviously with the inconsistencies

(22:43):
though again we talk about so what are your thoughts
on the opponents that he's had then, because you know,
obviously they had to figure out a way to pivot, right,
So I imagine that rock pulled out pretty quick, and
then John Cenen starts to talk about how you know
it was a a toxic which I actually thought was
probably the best part of the creative because he wasn't wrong.

(23:07):
He actually had a gripe with that is that it's
a toxic relationship. I've given to you for twenty years
and you guys just do nothing but boom me out
of a building, tell me I suck, and tell me
I can't wrestle. The flip side is it's almost like
a he'll complaint, right, It's kind of like what they
do with Drew, where sometimes like you look at Drew
and you know he's big and he's nasty, but he
kind of makes some points, you know, So it's like

(23:29):
but it felt like they then shifted from storyline driven
to opponent. I mean, I know they had a couple
of CM punk and a lot of it predicated off
of past history, right, but it did bring out a
lot of the best in him in the d Ring work.
So what is your opinion on the on the the

(23:50):
pivot to let's focus more on these opponents and focusing
on the match quality.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's how they tried to RecA.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I don't give a shit about the matches, fake, bro,
like I give a shit. I well that that meant
absolutely nothing to me. Brot let me tell you something.
Listen when you're not creative and I would love to
see I would love to see Triple H's resume that

(24:18):
makes him creative director or whatever. Show me your resume, bro,
show me what you wrote, show me your college degree,
show me all that stuff. No, Bro, it doesn't exist.
So here's what happens. They go back to what they
know and what do they know wrestling? So now we
have no story, We don't have a clue what to do.

(24:39):
So now we're just gonna give you wrestling matches, AJ
styles and John Cen is going to tear the house down.
I hate to break the news to everybody. There's a
very very small, niche audience that cares about that, the
casual fans and the millions and millions and millions of
people that they've lost since the ADA to the era,

(25:01):
could give a shit about a fake freaking wrestling match.
So that's what they do, Bro. They go back to
what they know and what do they know wrestling?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Gouther?

Speaker 5 (25:10):
All, Bro, Gouther and uh and John Cena is gonna
be a bond burner. Okay, Bro, First of all, let
me let me make one thing perfectly clear. I am
a fan of Guther and John Cena. I am a
fan of both of these guys. There's only one problem, bro. Uh,
Sammy Zaane beat Gouther. Okay, Sammy Zane beat Gouther? So

(25:31):
why does this match mean anything? It means nothing, Bro,
it means zero. You you actually think now that Gouther
beating John Cena is gonna give Gouther the rub when
you had Sammy Zane beat Gouther. Bro, casual fans don't
forget that shit. Every time I look at Gouther now,

(25:53):
as much as as I am a fan of the guy,
it's like, Bro, you you lost to Sammy Zany, Like, oh,
I'm gonna be sixty five in January, and I swear
to god it's fifty to fifty whether Sammy's ain't could
beat me and and he lost to freaking goother.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Bro. That's that's what they don't understand.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
They want you to forget that ship, but casual wrestling
fans don't forget that stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Well, yeah, I mean, I think the creative of things, right,
I just had I just literally had this conversation because
of you know, you look at like an AW or
WW did this with Oscar coming out of the next
team where they're unbeatable, they can't be beaten, they're monstrous,
and then they lose one wrestling match and it's like
they can't win all of a sudden, they can't win
a damn match, right, it happened with Oscar. She lost

(26:40):
for a year after being under beat for four years,
Ye recovered since right, and John Moxley was aw's World champion.
He lost to the Hangman Page all in or all out,
whatever the hell it was somebody, and now he can't
win a match because.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
They don't know how to.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
They don't know how to keep people elevated. And let
me tell you why they don't know how to keep
people elevated, bro, because everything's about the match, the match
to the match of the match, and the clean finish.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
When you have the clean finish, it's story over. It's
story over. That's why you have the fuck finish. That's
why you have screwjob finishes to give the heel the out.
So there's an excuse because, Bro, we talk about Gutha
not only losing to Sammy's Ain.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
He lost to jay Uso.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
He tapped out right, So what.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Does it matter.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
It means nothing for him to beat to beat John Cena.
Because if you're going to beat guys clean because you
lack creativity, that is going to hurt them.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Bro, Bro, you.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Go back and you watch the attitude here of the
most popular era in the history of wrestling. Bro, the
only time that was a clean finish was at a
pay per view. There was no clean finishes on Monday
Night Raw. Every freaking match had a running interference, something happened,
because that's how you protect people losing.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Bro. Once somebody gets beat in the middle of the
ring one two three, Bro, now you're taking them down
a peg.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
And especially if you're really not a writer, like a
Tony Kahan or a Triple H, you don't know how
to rebuild these guys.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
That's the problem.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Yeah. One of the guys that I've noticed that you
you were saying a couple weeks ago in one of
your shows, was that you were impressed. The best wrestler
in the WWE right now is Logan Paul and Logan
Paul had a series of well he had the tag
match with Sena and then he also had a match
with Sena as well. I just want to get your
thoughts on, you know, Logan Paul as far as you know,

(28:43):
maybe not even not those matches, but where he's at.
And do you like the direction he's in with the
Vision with Paul Hayman. You think it helps him.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Or you think, bro, he is the thing and it's
one hundred percent freaking politics.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
For this is how the Walrisk keeps his job.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
None of those guys in the freaking Vision needs need
Paul Hayman, not one of them. None of them need Hayman.
That's how Haymian keeps his job. Put me with this guy,
Put me with that guy.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Bro, how a boat?

Speaker 5 (29:11):
We put you with somebody that's not over, and we
see if you get them over. How about if we
put you with Carmelo Hayes. Let's put Paul Haman bro.
Bronson Reed was on the verge of getting over when
he was tsunamiing everybody. Then he got hurt. So of
course when he's coming back to ask Hayman, put him
with me, put him with me, Put him with me.
I don't know why you would put Bron b unless

(29:35):
your name is Rick or Scott Steiner. I don't know
why you would put anybody with bron Breaker. If you
want to put bron Breaker with his uncle and his father,
I got no problem with that.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
That would be as entertaining as can possibly be.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
But there he is with Paul Hayman, because Paul Hayman
knows bron Baker's getting over.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Put me with bron Breaker.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Then logan, Paul, of all people, a guy that but
it doesn't need anybody talking for him or doing anything
you're gonna put. So you've got eighty percent of a
roster not over, and you're gonna put what's supposed to
be the greatest manager in the history of wrestling with

(30:15):
three guys and.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
None of them need him. Does that make sense to anybody? No?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I mean, so that's what you're kind of making the
point as the argument I've been making for this mass person, right,
I'm assuming it's theory. I just look at the physical
build of the person and what makes the most sense,
and it's one of those things where if you looked
at this three months ago, when two months ago, when

(30:43):
they kicked out seth Rollins. You talked about the IWC said, oh,
man theory would be perfect for this group, and he
would be great. You know, have Paul Hayman talking for
him and this and that. And now it's like, oh,
it looks like you're gonna get that. And everyone's like, well,
that's a disappointment. What's he gonna do for the group?
And I actually, I mean I look at it and

(31:04):
I say, I kind of want this for him because
I think what happened to him is what happened to
Drew McIntyre. He got put behind the eight ball to
start because he got that Vince, you're the next guy,
rub right, And immediately fans started rejecting that, and it
was just a tail span of force force force force forced.

(31:25):
And I thought, actually, some of the stuff he did
with Grayson Waller, the pairing was good. Then he got hurt.
I thought they were getting a little bit of steam.
He gets hurt, bringing him back and having him come back. Honestly,
I don't even think they needed to put the damn
mask on him. I do think he's a guy that
makes sense to be in that group. I don't think
the Logan pole is a long term thing I think
this is we're gonna jump to here, but that's gonna

(31:48):
get to hear whether it's a face turn for him
or you know, where you get him and Bron versus
each other.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
But I do. I do.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Look at the group where you talk about young guys
with Paul Hayman, I think Theory is a guy who
would make a lot of sense for him to work with.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yeah, but again, Bro, Again, I'm a casual fan. Bro,
I'm talking casual fan. It's revealed that it's Austin Theory,
and I'm a casual fan, and I'm like, are you
fucking kidding me? Like really, now, I'm really not gonna watch.
That's what a casual fan is saying. I'm gonna tell
you guys again, if you if zero, if theory's healthy

(32:27):
and you want to bring theory back and you want
to tell a story and you want to start getting
theory over and then you want to do something like that, fine,
no problem.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You're building to it.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
You're building theory for this guy who who has never
been over ever to be as out as long as
he has, and now you think he's gonna take off
a mask and be instantly over. Bro, that's your King
of Pops again. That's your king.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Guys. I could tell you.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
I agree with you on this, by the way, it's guy.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
I just want to tell you, guys, when Rock joined
Heel and joined the cooperation, Bro, that was a three
month build.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Go back and watch the three months.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Prior that we knew we were going to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
That was a three month build.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
So if if you're gonna do this with Austin Theory,
who you know was not over before he got hurt, Bro,
you gotta bring him back and build him and start
getting him.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Over, and then you do it.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
They're putting Austin Theory again in a no win situation.
I mean you you expect they're gonna pull this guy's
mask off and what he's that reminds me of Jim Cornett. Oh, Bro,
put somebody in a box. Anybody coming out of a
box is over. Yeah, Bro, anybody that takes a mask
off is over.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I don't know what world you live in.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
And you know what, Bro, here's the thing. All the
heat's gonna go on Austin Theory. It's not Theory's fault.
It's the freaking writing, bro. The writing is atrocious.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, I agree cut her.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Oh no, I was just gonna Ruth says Jericho would
be the only reveal that would cause a big buzz
milk it until next year when he signs. I don't
know if Jericho is able to climb that case.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, I mean I would agree with Ruth. Yeah, they've
killed that. You like the way he's climbing in that.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Case and doing that, Like if they want to turn around,
that would say it was Jericho all along, like it
was freaking hysterical. But yeah, bro, like seriously, I mean,
if you know you're getting Jericho, and you know obviously
he's not doing Superman type shit, but if you know
you're getting Jericho and a guy's coming out in the

(34:51):
mask and the mask and the mask and then it's Jericho, yes,
huge freaking pop. But Jericho's got a how many year
career in a his three and he was over all
those years, and he would be coming from another company
to to to put it on a guy that was
never over when he was there. And then he comes
back he's healthy, and you don't do anything with him,

(35:13):
you're setting the.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Dude up for failure, bro, And it's not gonna be
his fault.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah. Now going back to talking about Wressell Palooza, right,
I know Russell Paluza was not very critically acclaimed, I
would say, and I think, you know, chrome and I
agree that a lot of that was kind of put
together due to due to ESPN and UH trying to
get a trying to get viewers. And I know you've
talked about that a little bit with UH. You know,

(35:43):
I saw they they need they need a million subscribers
a month or something like that.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
So Sina had an interview with Chris Vansleet that uh
premiere today and he talked about why he uh they
decided to do the uh the squash, the eight minute
Squash with Lester and oh I.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Can wait, Yeah, I can't wait to hear this. I
have not heard this. Let's hear it.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
So he said he wanted to build rock up, to
build a mountain for someone else to climb that needed
to shine more than him.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
You know, I gotta tell you, I love John Cena
to death. You talk about a pros pro, I always say, guys,
there are two people that I wish I could have
worked for. With two people, John Cena and Bray Wyatt,
I would have done anything to work with both of
those guys, Bro, I gotta be honest with you. As
much of the as I love Sena, Bro, at some

(36:34):
point Seena as an idiot, because what Sena is envisioning
in his head and what they're actually capable of doing
are two completely different things. Guys, you gotta remember John
Cena put Austin Theory over. What happened with Austin theory
after that, nothing? And if I'm John Cena, I got

(36:59):
no problem with John Seena putting Austin theory over at all.
But if I'm John Cena and I'm looking at what
you did with Austin Theory after I put them over
for you, I am gonna be much much much more
selective of the guys that I put over, because.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
If Sina continues to put.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Guys over and then they don't do anything with those guys.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
They are really, really, really tarnishing and hurting his legacy.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
And I applaud Sena for the good intentions, I really
really do. I applaud him for that, But again, Bro,
look look at what happens with these guys that you're
doing the favor for. They're they're they're not taking advantage
of that and they're not capitalizing off of it.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, I think it because it is. It's interesting because
I do think when you look at this whole thing
with Sina, him losing to that in these fashions, it
does devalue, right, And it's why I felt like protecting
the scena, having those wins that he did start to
get down the stretch were so important to make what's

(38:14):
happened with the tournament at least something to fight for,
because that's one thing we really have never seen is
there's no title on the line. It's a tournament to
literally have the opportunity. It's it's like having a tournament
for Undertaker WrestleMania match, right. There's just something that's supposed
to be next level about it. And I do think
this is where really that is true. Because my assumption

(38:38):
of this, and maybe I don't know, I haven't heard
what your opinion on this specific thing, I assume there
would be a follow up, maybe survivor series, whether it's
you know, a team Sena versus a Team Vision or
a one on one match. But I believe I believe
that maybe the set injury kind of just scrapped all
of that let's start moving some of the players into

(38:59):
different space. And they just kind of said, all right,
we're gonna take the squash for what it was. It
helps Brock and move on if that really was the intention.
To me, it does hurt. It does devalue, because why
are we having a tournament then for a guy that
just got absolutely destroyed When you see like Jimmy Usso
getting in Linz licks on more licks than Sena did

(39:21):
and Brock in inside of the war games cell. So
it's weird. It's a little weird to me's if that's
a fact.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Bro, I don't think it's weird at all. Guys, Listen,
I've said this all the time. I've said this from
day one. Bro, you cannot be a former wrestler and
involved in creative I don't care who you are, Bro.
I worked with Jeff Jarard of TNA when Jeff was
in that spot. Kevin Nash has been in that spot,

(39:51):
Dusty Rhodes has been in that spot. Bill Watts has
been in that spot. And now Triple H is in
that spot. And here's why it doesn't work, Bro, because
Triple H in that spot, he is going to have
a lot of history with the people he's booking, and
over the years working with the John Cenas and all

(40:11):
and the brock Lesseners and all these people, Triple H
is going to have a feeling about these guys one
way or another that is going to stay with him
once he becomes the booker, that is not going to
go away. I've seen this a million times throughout my
wrestling grill. I can go back to Kevin Sullivan. The

(40:33):
boys are gonna have some baggage having to do with
some of the people that they're booking because they worked
with them. John Triple H could give one shit about
John seyin his legacy one freaking ship you know where
you know where he cares.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
About John Cena his legacy.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Triple H wants his legacy to be bigger than John
scene is life legacy. And I can guarantee you this,
if Vince McMahon we're still in that chair, who really
cared about John seen his legacy. There's no way in
the world you would have saw this booking the final

(41:15):
year of his career. Absolutely not. But there's a part
of Triple H that wants to have a legacy that's
bigger than John seen Is, So trust me, Bro, he's
not gonna do him any favors on the way out.
And that's the reality of professional wrestling. And people could
think I'm full of shit and I don't know what

(41:37):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
No, Bro, I've been there.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
The heat between the heat between the Rock and Triple
H goes back to nineteen ninety six, guys, that's how
far back it goes back, thirty freaking years. There's a history.
And if you don't think for a second guys like
Triple H and guys like sewing My Michaels aren't protecting

(42:01):
their legacy at the expense of other wrestlers, You're out
of your mind.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
That's how the business works.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Do you think now, with staying on that on that
subject with Triple H, do you think you know part
of it is the guys that he has working with them,
kind of the same guys that have been there forever
and ever. Do you think they just need like fresh
go in there.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
The inn a circle? Oh, Bro?

Speaker 5 (42:30):
The Big four need to be taken out to pass
your thirty freaking years ago, him, Hayman.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Prichard, and Hayes. Bro.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
As long as the Big four are there, nothing's ever
going to change nothing. They're not capable of changing anything.
So yes, bro, until those four guys are replaced, you're
gonna see the same show over.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And over and over and over and over again.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, I I it is interesting, and I know. I
love that you talked about Unreal and what your perspective was,
particularly the creative room. How you talked about how you know,
you see these guys and they're sitting there in suits
you were you went to Vince's house and you guys
were sitting in sweatpants and Vince was, you know, ripping
ass and doing whatever.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Bro, you know how you know how worse. I don't
mean to interrupt you, but I want to know you're good.
You're good. I want to go back to Unreal because
I want to explain this to everybody.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
Okay, cool, because guys, when you when you've been in
the business, here's here's what the purpose of Unreal is.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
In their minds.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
They're gonna show you what they want to show you.
That's their psychology. I was so excited about this because
I knew you freaking idiots. For anybody that's been in
the business, you're going to freaking expose yourselves and not
even understand you're exposing yourselves. That's that's a comical Now, guys,

(43:57):
let me explain to you exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Who was the guy on Unreal that said Jayuso.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
Who was the guy Coski wasn't It was Michael Hayes,
Michael Michael Hays. Okay, now, okay, Michael Hayes was pushing
jay Uso. Guys, do you know who trained Michael Hayes,
The Wild Samoans. So now it's going all the way
back to a favor. They train Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes

(44:29):
is now in creative and Michael Hayes is pushing jay Uso. Okay,
that that's part A of the story. Okay, Now part
B of the story. The jay Uso Singles Run did
not turn out the way they planned on it turning
out because Michael Hayes.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Was trying to return a favor for the Samoans and.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Jay Uso was not the guy. Okay, that's the reality
of the situation. But here's how wrestling works. So now
we're back to the Usos you saw last night's show. Now,
now the Juso experiment has gone full circle and we've
got all the way back. Okay, So, now who failed

(45:14):
It's sure as hell wasn't Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes isn't
gonna take the responsibility. It's ja Uso. So it's all
j Usso's fault. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
There's nobody on upper management, Bro, that takes responsibility for anything.
Who is held accountable when that SmackDown number goes under
a million? Who's held accountable for that? Bro?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Guys you know professional sports? You know the Eagles, Bro?

Speaker 5 (45:48):
You know, man, when you're under that five hundred mark,
and now you start really getting buried, Bro.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
The coach is gone, Bro, the GM has gone. You
headstart to roll. Bro.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
They've been losing audience since the Attitude era, and the
same exact people are in those spots, and it's never
it's it's never then, Bro, It's always the talent. It
was Jay's fault, No, Bro, it wasn't Jay's fault at all.
Jay was a tag team wrestler his whole entire life.

(46:24):
Jay is more inhibited. Jay really depended on his brother
out there. His brother was like the security blanket. So
as a team, they work. They grew up together. They
always had. Now, Bro, you take the one insecure guy
out of that, that's the wrong guy for the freaking spot. Bro,

(46:46):
That's not what is jay gonna say. No, don't put
me in that spot. That's the wrong guy, bro. And
if you knew him, and you knew the history and
you got in his.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Mindset, you would have understood that.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
But Michael Hayes is trying to return a favor from
twenty years ago, and now all the heat comes down
on jay U So when it was not Jayu So's fault.
He was not the guy for that spot.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I don't disagree with you on that, and I don't
think they did him any favors either if you were
gonna put him in that spot. There's a lot of
creative booking issues that have gone on. I mean, again,
we're looking wins and losses. I take in the story
term of what you're talking about matter. Me and Eric
have been beating the drum week after week, month after

(47:34):
month about how Drew McIntyre A is constantly thrown in
against Cody Rhodes and b can I loses every big match?

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Can I explain that to you? And I think Chelsea,
I think it's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
This is.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
This is the bullet proof curse. Okay, Bro, When you
are deemed bullet proof, that means that they they believe
that he is so good and so talented that no
matter what we do with him, you're gonna bring him back.

(48:12):
You're gonna put a mic in his hand, and he's
gonna get himself back over. That's a testament to how
good Drew is. They look at Drew as bulletproof. That's
why they're always beaten Drew, and Drew never wins. That
is exactly why. But guys, here's the bottom line. You
can only do that for so long. You can only

(48:34):
do that for so long. And Bro, when you've done
it enough, you kind of know because you can listen
to the people, Because, Bro, when you start beating somebody
to death, it's just gonna be a matter of telling
me that they don't give a shit about that guy.
And that's where they are with Drew. But it's that
bulletproof label that they they are. They are riding that

(48:57):
now to the point of absolutely killing that guy.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
And it's rinse and repeat, because it was Kevin Owens
before him, Yes, and it's just it's if it's not
one guy to another. We talked about Oscar was doing that.
I think Oscar is one of the greatest wrestlers maybe ever,
and they're finally booking her pretty decently now, but there
were years where she was absolutely buried after they had
her beat Indestructible for four years. And I don't understand

(49:24):
that kind of a book. I mean, I guess I
understand it, and he was playing it very well. But
when I look at it, Drew like, this is a
guy too who I mean, he he really got the
raw end of the stick right because his time came.
Had that monster moment with brock Lesner right before COVID
at Royal Rumble, crowd went crazy and it's like, oh

(49:47):
this might this might be ar Mania moment right here,
and then you have COVID hit and it took everything
away and now we're looking at you know, we've cycled
back and we're here, and that's why I said the
statement earlier in the show, and you get it's like.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
You want us.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
He's mean, and he snarls, and he's got big muscles
and he does mean things and carries the sword sometimes,
so we're supposed to bill him. Then when he actually talks.
You're like, this guy's kind of right.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and he's great on social media too. I
mean he gets himself over like like I've never seen
anybody you know, in the business. He just he knows
what to say, he knows how to get the attention,
and he knows how to get the click.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Yeah, listen, guys, nothing, I'm not a Cody fans Cody
Rhodes fan at all, So let me just put that
out there. But you're gonna tell me, Bro, You're gonna
put Cody Rhoades next to a Drew McIntyre and tell
me Cody Rhodes is the guy. I'm I'm sorry, Bro,
ten times out of ten, Drew McIntyre is the guy.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
But that's politics, guys, That's what I guarantee you now. Bro. Listen, guys.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Yeah, Triple H had visions of grandeur of being a
movie star. You know, he was in Blade three and
he was gonna be this big movie star.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Did not go so well.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Oh now Drew is gonna go uh in you know,
have a part, a huge part in the Highlander series.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
You don't think that bothers, Triple H.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I promise you it bothers. Triple h.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah. I mean it's it's pretty crazy. Yeah, definitely. Uh
see what you're.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Guys when they are when there are no answers to something,
you know, it's political? When when when when we sit
here and say, why isn't Drew Why isn't Drew McIntyre
the guy he's got it all, he's got it all?
Because it's political? That that's the That's the only answer
to it. Either Bro, it's political, or these guys are

(51:59):
totally incompetent in their jobs. It's one of those two things.
And I don't want to call him incompetent. I really
don't want to say they're incompetent. So I'm gonna say
it's political because Drew McIntyre is a guy that has
everything everything, Bro, every tool in the freaking toolbox. But
yet somebody's making the decision that Cody Rhodes is more

(52:22):
money than Drew McIntyre.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I'm sorry, Bro, I don't see that.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Vince, what are your thoughts on what's going on with
la Knight where they kind of he's he's over, he's
he's having good matches, he's got and he seems like
he'd be the perfect guy to to elevate and now
he saw it happened last night. What do you what
do you think?

Speaker 5 (52:44):
I had somebody on the current roster in a in
a high role. I'm not talking about Dwayne Gill. I
have somebody And this is not he said.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
She said.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
This is to me directly, Triple H openly, openly, which
means in front of people, mocks and makes fun of
La Knight in the back. I had a guy in
a very high spot still there in the company.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Tell me that and again again.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Bro, we're looking at a guy like La Knight that
has everything. So is it oh so, oh wait a minute,
let me get this straight. So, so, Triple H has
problems with guys that have everything, but he'll push Sammy's
ain to the moon. Really, guys, think about that. This
is what I'm trying to tell you. This is why

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you can't have a formal wrestler.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
In that spot.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Guys, My god, come on, man, Triple H puts himself
all over everything. The voiceover for the WrestleMania commercial for
the men, the voiceover for the WrestleMania commercial for the.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Women, on top of Caesar's Palace or wherever the hell.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Bro, the dudes even opening up trading cards with Sam Roberts.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Are you freaking kidding me? This is why you're.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
Seeing guys like an l A Knight and a drewmacin
Tyre just staying right there in the middle and not
go anywhere. Look at Carrying Cross for crying out loud, bro,
That's what this shit is all about. That's why you
can't have a guy like that in that spot.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
You know why the Attitude era was so successful. It's
real simple. There were two writers. There were two right.
There were no wrestlers involved, bro, there were two writers. Jr.
Handed us over the roster. Guys, here's your roster. Your
job is to help all of these guys in gals
get over. There were no favorites, there were no politics.

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If you're drawing a number, we're going with you. We're
going with you. We're going with you. That's how it
freaked work. So when people are scratching after their ahead
of well, why ain't they doing this with Drew? What
about La Night? He only gets so far but never
goes over the town. Why in God's name would Carrying
Cross be Let go? Come on, guys, how many how

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many times.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Do you need to see it?

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Repeated over and over and over again till you understand
what the frig is going on.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, No, it's true. The carrying cross thing was wild
to me. I do feel like there's like two ends
of that because not necessarily creative process. But this is
again where the IWC kind of comes in, right, because
I've always been a big Carrying Cross fan. I think
he's a tremendous tower killer, killer, killer cross, whatever you

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wanna call. I felt like people got behind him, but
it was like three months before all this went down,
and then the IWC does what they do and they say, well,
we're behind him now, and it's like it's if they've
been behind him for two years and they haven't pushed it.
Like it's not like an L. A.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Knight situation.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
He's there, he is a guy who has all the tools.
But I felt like that was a little bit of
a different situation, and I do wish that that would
have Where was that support when he could have used
six months before then and gotten a little bit of
a momentum.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Listen, guys, all three of those guys, Okay, we just
mentioned three guys there.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
We mentioned L. A.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Knight Carrying Cross and uh, Drew McIntyre.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
What do all of these guys have in common.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
They're not going to fall in line, Bro, They're not
gonna fall You've heard the stories about L. A.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Knight.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
L L A.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Knight is very outspoken. We we know Cross was outspoken.
These are guys that are not going to fall in line.
Triple H wants guys that are gonna fall in line.
But you see the hugging and the kissing in the
back during Unreal.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah you think you think.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Drew You think Drew Maginton is going to stand there
and make out with Triple H.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Come on, bro, that's what he wants.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
He wants those people that are gonna afford yes or
Yes King? No King, yes King. Those three guys are
not those guys, bro, They're just not.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Yeah, No, it's true, very true.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
This was a lot of fun, Vince. Yeah, and listen,
I told you before we wrap up, we had a
buddy on the show I Do I Do It like
another podcast here on the two Do Radio every five
or six weeks with uh with with a guy who
you might know pretty well. And in our last show
that we did last week, he asked that I show

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you this.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
So let's say this if.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I may, and if you can play this for Vince.
Vince Ruso is the reason I got, you know, hired
in WW. When WW was looking for more talent. They
were expanding their TV programming with like Sunday Night Heat
and they need more talent, and Vince Russo reached out
to me through al Snow about getting hired in WW. So,

(58:02):
thanks to Vince Russo, I got to have a really
good career. Vince Russo hired me for WW. Bruce Pritcher
called me, and after I hung up the phone with
Bruce Pritcher realized I was hired by WW, I walked
twenty feet into the living room. I told my mom
and grandmam to put all the bills of my name

(58:24):
because they had been supporting me up until that point
and there's my time to give back to them. So
I couldn't have done that if Vince Russo didn't think
to give me a job. So I'm a big lover
of Vinnie Ruce. So I hope all is well.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Vinnie, Wow, that's awesome, bro, and listen, I don't that
is awesome and that is great me and he was
a great talent, Like come on, I'm looking at this guy,
and I don't think he's a great talent.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Did he ever? Did? Bro? Did I tell you a
great Meani story?

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Please please go for it.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Bro, The blair Witch Prop. The Blair Witch Project is
coming out. You guys know the story.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
I have not heard the story.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
The Blair Witch Project is coming out. Brody you remember
you guys may have been young. This is a while ago.
Remember when The Blair Witch Project was coming out, and
like social media was just starting, and there was shit
on social media about Blair Witch Project.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
And you didn't know if it was real or not,
you know, I remember.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
So My point is, before the movie came out, there
was all this buzz about it.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
People thought it was freaking real.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Okay, So, Bro, the movie's about to come out like
this weekend. In the meantime, Sable is suing the WWE. Okay,
so me and Ed Ferrara, we get Mini and we
get Stevie Richetts.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
It's the middle of winter where somewhere in the backwoods
of freaking Connecticut and we film The Blonde Bitch Project.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I think I remember this, Okay, I remember?

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
So Bro, we filled it, Bro, the greatest ship we
were up freaking meanie's nose and boogs you know that
that and from the shot, bro, Bro, me and Ed
are freaking howling, howling, right, So, Bro, every time we

(01:00:39):
do something like this, we gotta bring it back and
we gotta show Vince.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Okay, So me and had a show and Vince meeany
with the buggets up his nose and him and freaking
Stevie were freaking great. So of course, Vince, Vince, you know,
he looks at me and Ed.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
He's got he always has the glasses down the nose,
you know, give us one of these. So he says, uh,
what am I looking at? And we said, Vince, there's
this movie coming out this weekend, the Blair Witch Project.
We explain the backstory to him, We tell him all
the freaking hype, and we say this obviously is a

(01:01:18):
parody of this, right, So he looks at us, he's
looking at this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
His exact words were, this, nobody's gonna go see that movie.
We're not airing this. Here is the funny thing about it, right, So.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Bro, the movie comes out that weekend does record numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Somehow, somewhere somewhere, it was either the Daily News or
the New York Post. They wrote a story saying, oh,
the movie was, you know, so wildly popular that even
the WWF did a parody of it, Like somehow, some
way they knew about this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
It never aired because Vince McMahon said, nobody was gonna
ever go see the movie, and oh my god, Bro,
the four of us was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
So freaking disappointed. It was so damn good man, so
dumb good.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
He's he's a great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
He's a great time and great and I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Tell you, like what he said there comes from the heart.
I get to the pleasure of being really good friends
with him, and so we do a show and he's
one of the most genuine human beings at Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
What a great dude. Great dude.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Yeah, but Vince, we appreciate you, brother, Thank you so
much for coming on fun. We're gonna be back with
Vince next week, same time, six o'clock next week here
on a two D radio. Make sure you check out
the brand and then you also have your show with
coach got coaching.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, let me just plug two things real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
For two things, I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Want to plug Number one, if you've never been a
brand member, Bro, we give.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
You a free week, so you could try us out.
Just go to Patreon forwards. Last Russo TWC, bro Tier
up uh Tiers started three bucks like seventy five cents
a week, so get your free week Patreon dot com forwards.
Last Russo TWC and bro JCW Lunacy. Guys, if you

(01:03:16):
missed the Attitude era, it's back and you guys just
got to check out the new shows.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
They got a YouTube channel, jc W Lunacy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
New show airs every Thursday night at seven o'clock. I'm
in the seven o'clock Eastern. I'm in the chat room
for the whole entire thing. If you guys miss characters
and storytelling, please please check it out man JCW Lunacy
on YouTube Thursday nights at seven eastern.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Absolutely, we're gonna make sure we check that out and
we'll talk about it next week. I make sure I'll
make sure we got a graphic ups.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
So that'd be awesome very much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Thank you, But now listen. Chat was hot tonight. Lots
of comments and thank you guys for that. Thank you
to our doctor, doctor Paul Idell at Specialized Physicotherapy dot com.
Thank you to Vince. Thank you to Eric Tom at
A two d Radio and everybody out there. We'll talk
to you guys next week, and for the three of us,
make sure you give somebody a hug out there that

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you love, let him know you love them, and you
guys have a great week. We'll talk to you then