PS Unfiltered-Phillies Peak or Plateau_ The Debate Starts Now _ PS Unfiltered

Have the Phillies already hit their ceiling? Tonight on Philly Sports Unfiltered, Tom Arnone and Tony Cutillo dive into the question hanging over every Red October dream. 
After multiple deep postseason runs, is this core still climbing — or are we witnessing the beginning of a plateau? We break down Harper, Turner, Schwarber, Wheeler, Bohm, and the long-term window for Philadelphia contention.
Then we shift gears across the Philly sports landscape:
• Philly Radio Wars 2.0: Are the rivalries real or just manufactured hype?
• Cam Newton vs. Colts: Did Indy truly disrespect him, or is it just part of today’s QB marketplace?
• Eagles HC Watch: Kevin Patullo is officially in the 2026 head-coach conversation — but how legit is the buzz?
Drop your thoughts in the comments: Have the Phillies peaked, or is the window still wide open?
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What I fam hit that like hit that subscribe. This
is Philly Sports Unfiltered, Talking Phil the Night. Come join us,
Let's go Yo. Welcome in everybody to another edition Philly

(00:24):
Sports Unfiltered here on HUD Radio. That's Tony Cantillow. I'm
time on and everybody out there, fire us up, get
in vibe tonight, coming in and we got a lot
to go over Philly Radio. War in Philly. Is it fabricated?
We'll discuss it. Can nude. He feels disrespected, You can't
feel disrespected. We'll talk about camp. We'll talk about Cameron

(00:48):
later on in the show. Phillies Peak. Are we just
plateaued at this point? We're gonna dissect it all guys,
right our poll question time on in Philly's core had
already peaked. Agree or disagree? Let us know, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter,
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there as well. If you'd like to subscribe, follow up,

(01:08):
most importantly, join the conversation tonight Town, lead us off, listen,
give us a trade turner wead off.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I don't know if bucket hit No, I don't know, man,
if he's already played, If he's already peaked. I think
maybe I could, uh, but listen, I felt like it's
a good change up tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
So we we we had all the Phillies or all
the Eagles talk all week, and we we could probably
sit for hours of the agnolstigating takes and ridiculous talk
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
But let's let's dive into something a little different.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
And that's that's our buddies that ring the bell over
there says's Bank Park, and you know, you see cop
Swarber gets the big deal, you see, uh obviously, uh
the extension for Rob Thompson. My whole, my whole thing
was this topic came to me because I was specifically
asked on my show about you know what, why are

(02:02):
you so kind of met with the Kyleswarber signing and listen,
I bring this up because I was kind of like, okay.
I wasn't like, just back it up, baby, let's go,
let's party down Broad Street. I was like, okay, why
because my issue is that I feel that this entire

(02:26):
core has already hit their peak. When you go to
multiple games, multiple playoff games, multiple series, you win multiple penance. Eventually,
if you don't win, you have to start looking at
those individual years and say, Okay, you know, can they
go higher? Can they be more? And I'm telling you, Tom,

(02:49):
I look and last year might have been the best
year we're ever going to see the phill uniform a
trade turner. I don't feel like Kyshwarber's got another level
to go up to. We've already seen a little bit
of regression from Bryce Harper, who, by the way, I'm
so tired of seeing him. One tis off. We'll get
into that for another day. And then Zach Wheeler, who

(03:10):
I absolutely love. Can Zack Wheeler pitch any better than
he had before the thorastic syndrome?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
So I look at this team and go, Bro, this
this team's already peaked. It's already peaked.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
So you're bringing back Schwarber, a thirty three year old
D eight one hundred and fifty million dollars and a
guy who's averaged forty seven home runs every year for
the four years he was here.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
He's not getting better.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
So I look at this and go, as much as
I like that, we're going to have a chance again.
As once I like that, we're going to compete to
I have to answer myself, is there any any feeling
in my mind that says, man, we got an R
level to go to. No, there's not. So I asked you,

(04:01):
I asked the audience that what's different? What am I
getting excited about?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah? I think I think it was a couple of
ways to break this down, you know, in terms of
them them peaking as a core. Yeah, I mean I
believe that's where they're at. Now, can they replicate seasons
this year? Sure? I'm sure Tray could come back and
have another really good year. Sir Kyle can come back
and have a really good year. Has Bryce Plateau? It
looks like it doesn't mean he can't come out and

(04:27):
have a great year, right, we'd love to see it.
But I think this all surrounds what's next. Right, I
didn't sprint the broad Street because Kyle's back. That had happened.
You understand that had to happen, right, You didn't have
a choice. So we'll just leave that there. But it's
what happens elsewhere now with the rest of this roster,

(04:49):
we'll decide our excitement. We'll decide that if this core
really has peaked, because if you, if you put pieces
around it, that we've already talked about on different shows
and Mark d Regman, and you just go out and
spend the money, you know, maybe we feel more excited, right,
So I just think it depends how the roster ends

(05:09):
up being finalized on how we feel now terms of
this core leveling out and being what they are. I
agree to that, but I think that they could go
to another level tick up if they're surrounded with more.
It's a weird. It's weird, right, Like if you go
get me more than sure, guys could look like they
have great years because there's other things having really good

(05:30):
years around them too. So it just to me baseball
is that kind of sport, like, yeah, those guys in
their careers, you know they are what they are, okay,
But it doesn't mean that when you if you surround
them with a bunch a bunch a couple other really
good players, you know, right, all stars in this leg,
that you can't go to another level as a group. Right,

(05:52):
that's my point.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
But where's the money coming from?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
What does that? What don't mean where's the money come from? There?
No money?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
When you when you break it all down and you market, what's.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
That top five market? What do you mean matter a.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Hold on because you have a luxury tax threshold that
you have an owner that is willing to go up against.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
And right now as it sits, you.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Got about twelve to fifteen million dollars to spend. That's
not getting you who Tom Arnaut wants who You're just saying,
it's not getting you that. So my thing is, if
we're paying these all these big contracts, how are we
going to get better and get different? How who's who's
the magic wand that's coming in that's going to change.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
His roster around.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
There's no money left to go and get these big
time guys. So are you telling me that you're gonna
be able to get that creative in a trade market
to bring a difference maker from the right hand side
of the of the plate.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
And don't tell me that Alec Bohm and Nick Castianos
and and Matt Strom being gone and traded released freeing
up is gonna is gonna make a difference.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I don't see it. Not trying to be negative, I
just I don't listen.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
The way you see it is is he goes over
the threshold. I mean, it's simple as he can say
whatever he wants to say, I'm not talking for him,
I'm talking for me. That would excite me? What would
excite Tom or not? And the fan base? Easy? Easy
idiot who sat and talked about stupid money, right, and
he never fully went fully in. He went halfway in.

(07:33):
There's halfway in moves here. No, no, fully in is
what the Dodgers do. That's it's fully invested in on
what they go and do. When you go about Freeman,
bets Otani, come on, I mean the list goes on. Guys,
they're paying the Askarhan anders there paying.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
They just pay that when Diaz, when.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Diaz like, they don't care. They're gonna go out and
spend it. They're gonna backload money. They're gonna get creative
with it. So, yes, they are a right handed power
bat away. They are on Martee Away.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
You think they get that done?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I was getting done yesterday.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
That that would make me excited. That's yes.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
And then where I went in my head, okay, is
let's get creative with Alex Pregmant. Then now I don't
leve them, but I need something different at third base,
right because we're not gonna run out phone back. We
don't want the same. Fine, Okay, I think alecorone is
a good fire, but that's no big deal. We'll move
on from that and then go get me a guy
who was one before too. So now I got some
more pizzas who have won. Here, I got a bullpen

(08:30):
that I think is good enough to good enough to
fight out compete, right, So now I get more excited
a little bit. And I got two randed bats in
my lineup that didn't act that can actually swing it
and lose some baseballs. Is al Bregman is saying fire
he was five years ago? Absolutely, But everybody wants to change.
So if you want to change, you gotta go upgrade
what you had. You have to. You can't give me

(08:50):
a Mundo Sosa for one sixty two. That has to
be a damn good pore at third base that could.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Set ball Dalton doesn't scare you, though.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Who they're they're they're labeling as a championship chip. Have
you heard this yet, Auto Kemp, that's that's tom I'm dead.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Listen and and and listen.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Let me first prepas this by saying I have nothing
but respect for Auto Kemp for playing on a broken
freaking kneecap for the entirely. I don't know how the
dude's threshold for pain has got to be massive. However, however,
I heard them. It's it's all documented. This is two
times now. They brought him up the Winter meetings, Tom Bro.

(09:36):
He is they they look at auto Kemp as a
championship ship, a championship caliber player. Bro, I'm telling you
right now, you're not getting Bregman, not getting anything. You're
getting atso Kemp. Uh, And they're gonna try to sell you.
And this is what I'm saying. This is why I

(09:58):
get what you're saying. Well, this is why I'm not excited,
because that's what we're probably going to get.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
What depends when you get in the outfield. Obviously you're
gonna get Justin Crawford, So that's different. I like Justin Kraft, Okay,
So that gives you something different, and it depends what
there's other two spots become.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Right, it just comes down and they've got to get
more today.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
That's the whole thing. I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
They have to get Martin.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
You got, you got, you should trade painter, Painter?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yes, why are they waiting? They wait?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Come on, man, that because that gets you excited, that's
my point. Yeah, and that guy is available, so the
fact that he's available, you got to go get him,
like you have to compete. And and the n L
that is that is controlled and ran by the LA
Dodgers right now. So how do you how do you
slay them? What you get? Were you slam them by
going and getting guys who can play at a higher

(10:49):
level right now? Because you have guys who can play
at a high level. So if you go get you know,
if you go get more, like if you get a
guy like him and you know whoever, but you need
more outfitters too, right because that right now you have Brandon,
Brandon Marsh and Justin Crawford and they're both lefties, so
you need two right y's in the outfield. See, and

(11:12):
you're a starter another start away, like if you want
to start Marsh and you want to start Crawford and
then you you get another guy, fine, but you're still
give you a bait or I don't know, it's the
guy from Colorado. People have talked about it. I think
he stinks out loud.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
But see that's what scares me.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
They're bringing up the like it scares me because they're
already bargain shopping, right, They're they're they're like, you just said,
you made a great point about Look, Milton came out
and yeah, you may have spent stupid money on Bryce Harper.
That may have been stupid money back then. It is
no longer. It's the commonplace now. You had you just

(11:48):
had the you had the pirates offer one fifty for swarns.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Okay, let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
So you're you're not really playing with stupid money anymore.
And now we're already talking about bargain being shopping.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
It's okay. It's okay to bargain beIN in that spot
if you're going to get a kettle Marte. Right, it's
like it's okay to say, Okay, I got a bargain
shop for a center field or because I'm going to
get it an all I'm going to get an all
starry second grade. Fuck. Fine, but I can't bargain shop
at third Day? Now? Could I go to Mondo Sosa

(12:25):
Auto Camp run there? I might feel okay with that
because I'm good with Sosa pointing eighty one games because
they'll bring you a lot in that sample size. Right,
if you overplay him, I think, is where he gets.
He gets beat sometimes, but he's really good defensively. Camp Listen,
Kemp's hit everywhere he's been. And what I mean by that,
the way he's gotten to where he's got is because
how damn good of a hitter he is. So we're

(12:46):
talking about college minors. Everywhere he's been, he's hit so right.
So that's the reason he started out like a Juco route.
Like I'm telling you like this this guy, this guy
worked his way here. Sometimes I like the guy who
had a swim off the island. You understand what I'm saying.
Sometimes I like the guy. Now, now am I selling
you want it? No, it's not what I'm trying to do.

(13:07):
But sometimes that they're not top ten prospect becomes a
damn good player for you sometimes, so we'll see it's
not fair to judge them off the neatcap. Obviously, I
didn't even know about that, and I can't believe it. Well,
I don't. I don't pay attention to them when it's
over until this time, until like winter meetings, I don't

(13:28):
even and I don't listen to anything they say, Like
I I could care less what you tell me in
a press conference. I just mean nothing to me.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, it's like a Nick Sirianni press conference, probably out
like I want, I want not, but I want.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
To got fair to us. It's not fair what they did.
It's not not fair to use a stupid money. And
I watch other teams outspend you when you have the
same amount of resources. That's what's bullshit. Okay, you're a
top five market in this league and walk and talk
like it look like.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
And selling out at park in May May on a
Wednesday night.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
And he ain't gonna sell it out as constructed right now.
I'll tell you that right now.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, you're not and and and what you said. I
want to bring it back because you're spot on what
you say about Auto Kemp, meaning listen, you like the
guy that the grinder that's worked his asshole, that's.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Got a pet, right, you like that.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
But the thing is we I'm okay if you tell
me you want to go Auto Kemp and Mundo Sosa,
that's fine. However that all hinders you're getting to tell
Marte that's the thing. Don't sell me on Sosa Kemp.
And I'm still looking at No, I can't do it.

(14:46):
And that's nothing to me.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I like bryceon, But why don't we get really creative here?
Because if you really want to get creative, this is
what I do. It's not hard to do because I
got an entire spring training to make it work. Are
we going to put it? You go to the side
or what matters most the guys walking down broader to
the ego. So what I would go do is I
would go get kettle Marte. Bryson Stots not in that deal. Okay,

(15:09):
Alec Bone's in that deal, all right. Bryson Scott is
not in that deal because they probably want somebody who
can play right now. I'm sure, so fine, maybe he's not. Whatever,
But what I do is I go Marte at second,
I go Bryson Stott at short, and I'm Trey Turner
the third base. Wow, Bryson Stotts a gold glover. It'll

(15:31):
be a gold glover at short too.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I I'm with you. I like it. I do you
want to be different? Put egos aside?

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, you want to do something different?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Guys, Well, what's.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
The definition of it? Saturity? Tone? Right? I mean, do
something different like Alex Rodriganz and Derek Jeter did it.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's a good point and and pre pre Ruyd.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
No disrespect Tray, no disrespect to you. Maybe your damn
you're you're a hell of a player. You ain't.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, no, you're not. You're not pre Royd or post
Royd or active Roid. You're neither, bro, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Va, here's a good point. You know, Javannah brought this
up last night on the show. You know, shout out
Savana was a great supporter and listener, which they made
that trade for Harry Ford, another young there's a catcher
that we could have used that they gave up a
reliever for. So like again, somebody's already getting creative that

(16:36):
could have been created for us because guess what, guess
what the only reason why you know, we're bringing JT back.
And I love JT. Okay, I get it. It's the
YadA Air Molina effect for me.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
For JT.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
However, they're kind of handstrong, bro. They got nobody like nobody,
so they have to bring JT back.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
So I'm fine with that because he's so great with
the pitch.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I am too, But what I'm saying is that they
are so shortsighted of little trades like this for a
guy that could play right now on Harry Ford that
they have put themselves into a corner with go whether
we like to move or not there, we're gonna have
to get them anyway.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I mean they're gonna give obviously Marshawn the opportunity
to be is back up again. You guys are totally
right with that.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I will say this, but they need more outfielders. To me,
this is the College Swarber thing. With the deal and
with the way everything's constructed, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna
go to the end with this. It's a two year deal,
meaning they got two years. Babe, that's it. You got

(17:48):
two years. After two years, this ship has sunk with him.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I think the swoar Ber you probably.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Have no no, no.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
What I mean is I'm not saying Cole Swarber specifically.
What I'm saying I'm at the team, the whole team,
but just based on that five year contract, cour It's like, bro,
I think we got two years tops to get this done.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. I think I
said it with you or I said it on another show.
So we're right on with that. Not shot, not shocking
at all with the core, you have the two years. Yeah,
even with a market you got two years because they're
all that third. I mean, the only the only way
you get out of two years, tone is if like Miller,
Crawford and paying are of off some now like next year,

(18:34):
then okay, you can maybe make the case that all right,
you're you may have a little longer a window, but
how much longer? Three? Now? Three years? Because because again
these are prospects, I would trade all three of them yesterday.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I'm I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I always trade the prospects, bro, like I want I
want the prime asalent that I know can produce right now,
no questions asked. Like if you're giving me a guy
that right now, I'm in like trade them like, I'm good, trade.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Them, you know what I mean, I'm in. I'm absolutely in.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Man, Absolutely, he says he agrees to it too. I mean,
the core is definitely peaked. Does that mean kyleege Schwarburg
can't have a better year? No? Does that mean Bryce
Harper can't have a better year? No?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Do you really think Swarber can have a better year? Bro?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
If Bryce Harper has a better year, absolutely, Because I'm
talking about like like maybe not home run wise, but
like even better on base percentage, like different things like that,
because because if the protections around it all then yeah,
they thought it could be if you had a Martine
in it, that protection is absurd, right, So yes, he
could essentially have a monster year again, but again that

(19:45):
would think Bryce Harper have a better year. Is that
doable to have a better year? Yes? I think yeah, doable? Yes,
trade Turner duplicate, duplicated. Yeah, he's still young enough prime
wise to duplicate that again.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Right, okay, but we're not seeing San Diego Padres series
Bryce Harper ever again?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Ever again, I'm out on that.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Now. Could you see agree and disagree to that to
a point?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Right, okay?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Could could you see a big game in a big
moment from him? Again? Absolutely right?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But not only he's not count series?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yep, yep, we're spot on all right.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
So we're okay, can.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
You win your game? Yeah, I'm not gonna say you
can't win your game? Still right there. But does he
have the ability right now to win you a series?
I don't think so. I agree now from what told
me and sort of what the body's been through too. Rightly,
if you really factor in the wear and tear to
Joe Barrow, Do I still love it? Uh?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Me?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
You still love it? Like? Come on, dude's a kids game.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Now here's Javon says.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I like Joe Adell and right field for you know
angels power right there there, there's switch up right. Joe
Adell is a nice player, Taylor Ward. He's got like
you have got a couple of guys out and you
know out there, you know that could be Nick what's
the nixt thing here? Uh prospects post Howard broughtly never

(21:10):
p Yeah, a hundred percent, which is why we say
Tom listen, I mean it's the six oh Sanchez effect.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I'll take ten of them right now? You want top ten?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Bra wait Tel, that's right. He was trading the deadline,
That's right.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
How about the Warriors too, going going balls out for.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Weird Yeah, weirdo. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
He gets more than Swarper. Yeah, I mean, how is
going on?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
He can't? Well maybe because he plays a position, but
he doesn't because he stinks at it, right, So maybe
you know he's a position player, so he gets a
little bit more than the d H does. I can
see that being the only reason.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Why he's a for me. He's like my old time
love to hate athlete. And the only reason why I
say that is because he does like I bury the guy.
I can't stand him. Like when I when I saw him,
like was it two years ago in to home run Derby,
when he was doing all these like warm ups and
so I was like, bro, get a life, seriously, like
literally get a life. But then when I heard, like

(22:10):
in the BacT, like some of the stuff that he does,
like community, I was like, Oh, this dude's actually not
a bad of dude.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
So now like I don't want to hate.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Them, you know what I mean, But like when I
see him out there, I'm like, dude, I can't stand
his kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
He's a weird Like he's not my cup of teeth.
I mean, he's not a nice guy. Right, there's levels
to it. Right, I'm not gonna not gonna have not
gonna sip on the tea with you. But Nick spot
on and and this has been the problem around baseball
is you hold on to him. You hold on and
the reason you have top prospects in my opinion, unless

(22:43):
you're the Dan Bay Rays, is the deal. Yeah, Like
unless you're a small market team. The reason for your
top prospects in the top five organization, top five market
is the wheel and deal those guys for proven guys
when you're in your timeline to win. At difference, when
you're in your timeline to win, I'm dealing everybody. I'm

(23:05):
with you, I'm cleaning half to make I'm You're not
gonna be able to feel a trip waiting. We'll figure
it out. I mean like we'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Listen, let's think about just you know, not not to
bring them up, but if we would have traded Ben Simmons,
or we would have traded Joe LMB, we were not
talking about the situation wearing right now, just starting it
out there again. Uh so, what's Greg you saying here?
Disagree the pole but this is the final year. So
so I just want to let everybody know because you

(23:34):
you brought up a good point, and I want Greg
to hear this that the way I I went about
this poll was saying that I don't think that any
of these players will ever have a better year again
then their top year, not last year, their top yer.
So when Swarber his top home run year, I don't

(23:57):
think we'll ever ever see another year Trey Turners.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Your answer, I'd never see a.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Better year than what you have like Bryce Harper, and
will never see a better year like can't like Tom
said now can he can't? Yes, But I'm saying a
full year at the top.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
We're never seeing it.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Can he go hit thirty and about two seventy five? Sure? Yeah?
Driving one hundred? I expect it, like you know what
I mean. I'm gonna write that in my note. Pat
expected that to happen. Hey, hey, I said something funny
on Philly Sports on Filtering Down and Night. I said,
heybody's gobat to seventy five and then thirty armors?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Like, come on, like I just did that six seven.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I didn't even see you doing.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I wasn't meaning him for that, but somebody, you know,
somebody wise.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I yelled at Greg last night. I'm gonna ye at
him again, and I'll tell you why I yelled him
last night.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Poor Greig's always get yelled at it.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I love Greg. He's he's you know, when when
you're your family, you yell at each other on time.
Here you brought sports. That's how this has worked for years.
That's why me and you will yell and scream. But
he was trying to tell me the number number two
options in the NFL don't run routes. They always take
plays off. I said, that's the biggest crock of ship
because he's trying to defend a j about it, because
I said, I think he takes too many plays off,

(25:08):
and I think number two guys do that all the time.
Like if you're number two in the roud, I said,
that's you're making that up if you're number four in
the route. Okay, if every number two guy in the
round taking plays off, nobody's ever scored.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
All right, maybe maybe yo Han Dotson's taking a couple
of plays off.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, Davonte, And we'll talk about that later. But now,
but now, but but now, right now, because he is
because he has the Bryce poster above his bed.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
He's a price.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Oh, he probably got a bobblehead right on the dresser.
He probably got a couple of socks laying around.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Did I do a show with the fanatic Bandanna too? Like, uh,
I'm sorry, Greg, I love I'm taking cheap shots.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Goods. It's easy, Greg, I'm taking cheaps out because I
think he's a punk right.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Now, I think he's I think he's an absolute punk.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
And guess what, he is the most selfish player on
that team. And and you know, I'm gonna go one
more further before we go in the Philly radio Wars.
You know, I want to say this again. I applaud
as a PR guy. I applaud the public relations department
for the Philadelphia Eagles. I do because I'll tell you

(26:35):
what answer me this, Greg. If Jamar Chase is sitting
on the sideline reading a frigging book, what's happening? If
Justin Jefferson is reading a book, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Seriously?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
But because we're in Philadelphia and we all love our
athlete so much, oh aj hi aj, Look at me.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
He likes me, he liked my tweet, he loves me.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
We're okay, We're okay, right, dog get out of here.
I'm so tired of everybody's sticking up for the goddamn
athletes in this town like they even give a shit
about us.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
I'm so tired of it.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah. First, first off, with the thing I love a
I never wanted to do. I never brought that stuff up.
But when you demand something, when you demand something, baby,
I'm gonna tell you how pro sports work. When you
demand the football, you better finish it. That's all happen.

(27:37):
So I'm allowed the Monday morning quarterback that or Tuesday
morning quarterback that performance all day, all day when I
watched Ricky Waters, when I watched Ricky little Ricky Waters happened, Greg,
I'm allowed to have a little bit of bad taste
in my mouth when I'm watching everything about the quarterback
and nothing about anything else. I'm allowed to be like, oh,

(27:58):
there's other things that happen, guys, I didn't show up.
I'm allowed. I'm allowed to talk about other things than
what the dial, radio and everybody else wants to talk about.
And now all these idiots that do podcasts, now, now
they were all clamoring to be on the dial. They
would they would have shot a family member they get
on the dial. Okay, okay, I'll be clear. Okay. They

(28:21):
would do a lot of things to get on the dial.
And now these guys are all you know, and I'm
call them out. I'll call them out by person, right,
you know, lot feel the podcast like, oh the only
radio say you just have agendas? Bad? Where are you been?
We've been a two D was a thirteen years ago.
Because of that, Because of that, I have to show

(28:41):
on a two D so you could get away from
the agenda. But you but like all these guys not
I'm not talking about one thing in Pacific anymore. Now
all you guys just have so many hot dogs flying
in your face. You don't know what to do with yourself.
And now, oh, look at the dial. Because the trust
of my guy. They got to Yeah, they do. They
have an agenda. Their agendas to run people out of town.

(29:04):
Their their agenda is they love chaos. They love this,
they love this. Somebody asks me, somebody asks me, like
this gotta be a crazy time of year. I said, listen,
I've been doing everything from doing a two D through
the years, every up and down of you talking about
the Eagles, Phillies, et cetera. Okay, I been through it,
all right. We view better when they don't play well.

(29:30):
And why is that? Well, why is that? Because it's
been a culture created of fired this guy. He's not
good enough. And I can I can consume all this
stuff on my couch, yep. And that's what we created.
You know. We'll get in there, listen, man.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
And we apologize for so many comments. We get to yet,
but we we get off the rails a little bit.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Man, Yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Get off the rail now right. I don't think that's you,
but you know, we know what we need. But we
got the rails. Like this when we talk about the
hot ball fest, is we need a picture of the
the Eagles tunnel like anthro game, like right before, like
guys are taking like press post and you see all
the all the somebody to beat me like running and

(30:14):
scarying down.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, no disrespect.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
But if I'm ever to somebody, come hit me right
off the side of the head.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Bro, seriously trip me.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Just trip me on the spot. Yeah, these guys, everybody's
to be like down there, like everybody wants to be
a cool guy, Like I can't. Part of me can't
stand in fan base the way we become.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Everybody wants to beat Daves Smadaro.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah everybody, I mean yeah, everybody. Everybody's got inside or everybody. Everybody.
Everybody wants to party it up before the game. It's cool.
And we've lost we've lost the fact of like caring
about our team like we are we are And again,
this doesn't last forever. But you're literally off a super
Bowl win and you literally put the throat of Goliath.

(31:06):
You literally cut Guiet's throat. They're not the same team, man,
look at them right now. Yeah, they're not the same
right now. After that, like, that's what you went and did.
And you've been in two super Bowls and going on
four years. Right, we'll see where this year ends up.
But two out of three years and we're talking about
benching quarterbacks, which that's let me tell you, it's smart
of a idea. That is.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay, let's have it because we're just gonna.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, we're not gonna go. We're not gonna go.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Let's just go into Philly Radio wars real fast. Wait,
oh wait, Or we want to talk about Cam, poor Cam.
Do we give Cam and play?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Did we even give Camp play?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Like, you know, Cam feels disrespected.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Maybe you know what, maybe all the hot dog eaters
out there can send.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Him a post car, right, send him a Chris's car
because Cam Cam's feeling upset. You know, they didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Look at him over old man rivers like he stays
in shape, he's ready to go. I will say this
about Cam. I was a big, big Cam guy when
he played I did. I liked his It sounds crazy,
but I did like his attitude. I like I like
his cockiness. I like guys like that, right, But man,

(32:11):
you talk about a guy who's really fabricated a whole
persona on.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
TV, like, I'm so over it.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I don't know if you've ever watched him open up
his that fourth and one show?

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Hey, bro, what do you what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
What do we like?

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Am I in Broadway somewhere? Like I'm I'm big, big
fan of him in Auburn, you know all that stuff.
But like I said all the time, like, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I don't know how great you were as a quarterback,
so yeah, maybe maybe you don't talk about other.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Ones, right Listen, man, I agree, that's enough. That's enough
for Cam.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
When you're at the top of your game, you were
special for sure, because yeah, that one year you run
people over eight people, mask your legs and yet again.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Rode him to the ground. Bro, he really did, river Ron,
river Ron.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But listen, let's kind of let's ask it because I
want to get into this Philly radio wars thing a
little bit. And I love when I love reading the
cross of broad stuff when they come out with it,
and I caught it before and and and Tom, I
don't know if you caught it. But the question I
have for everybody that's in the chat, whether you know
wherever you're watching, make sure you hit that lug, hit

(33:29):
some subscribe, and hit that notification of bell so he
can continue to keep this thing going. But I have
when in the beginning when they started, even though we
had it first when Unfiltered started on ninety seven five,
I actually enjoyed Coloruo going after WIP, but but he

(33:54):
didn't go after a specific coast, right.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
He was just like listen.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
At the end of the day, he was like we're
we're no, you know, kind of like what we did right,
Like no, like we're just like, hey, listen, you want
to listen that crap, go ahead, but if you if
you would to listen to real tall butt. And I
was like, wow, they're really a little ballsy. They're they're
going station to station like I was like, I kind
of dig it, right. But then I saw Johnny Marks,

(34:20):
who I love Johnny Marks. I saw Johnny Marks retweet
Jillio and like bash them, and I was like, wow,
like now now this is getting deep and I and
I want to I want to give anybody a quick
story to why I want to talk about this. That

(34:40):
is getting deep, right, So I even comment, I was
like I love this, like I'm in, like I'm all.
But then Tom, I start thinking about it and I
was like, wow, I like something tells me because that
is like, I don't know, if you're a wrestling guy,
I would need Chrome on here to answer this and
shout out shout out Chrome for his awesome Vince Russo

(35:04):
are you kidding me? If you guys are not watching
the Lazy Booking podcast on h t D. If you're
a wrestling fan, I don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's dude's pulling guests every single friggin week, right.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
But the reason why I bring.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
This up is because they talk about something called the
forbidden door, and the forbidden door is when you either
you know, you either talk about another company where you're
working for another company.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
So when that happened, I was like, that's like the
forbidden door. But then it's start to making me think
like is this fabricated? Is this kind of like this
backdoor agreement where because two things And I'm sorry get
long winded, but I want to everybody understand where I'm
going with this.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
So two things.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Number one, they always tell you in that business don't
burn bridges, right because they flip from station to station,
station the station. So why would a radio host risk
burning that bridge by calling that guy out if they
didn't understand the somatics of it right? And the reason
why I say that this happened to me two times, okay,

(36:11):
one time true stories. One time I was working for
Fox Sports, a gambler for Sean Brace, and I I
told you I was a Johnny Marrish fan, so I'm
a Johnny Marsh fan. When Johnny Marsh is on WIP
he posts an event for Chicken and Piztee like they
always do, They're gonna be live. I retweeted the event

(36:33):
and said, Wow, this is pretty cool. I'm gonna try
to stop by my phone. Rang and Sean Brace can
deny it up. And now I don't really give a shit.
That dude ran into my ass up and down about
how a band makes the station look, how.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
You never ever ever do that.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
You know you have this, you have that, and you
know I can't believe you would do something with this song.
WHOA like where there is this coming from, right, I'm like,
I have no idea. Now, remember this is fuck ten
years ago, right, let me use it. I'm like, okay, whatever.
But the reason why I bring that up is because
second time, when I was on Serious, I made a

(37:14):
comment about another show host and it wasn't degrading, was
kind of like questioning his integrity, and the producer emailed
me instantly that was like, Tony, we don't do things
like that here. The reason why I bring this shit
up is because I'm looking at this going hmmm, is
this real? That's so I'm asking you based on my experiences,

(37:39):
and I'm not saying anybody's life any of that, but
based on my personal experiences, I feel like this is
starting to be fabricated.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Just my opinion.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't think.
I think this whole the whole way they do things
is fabricating it. Well, yeah, I don't think there's I
don't think there's a real thing that happens over there
so on either on either station, and I don't care.
I think it's the truth. And when you talk about
Joe Joe j Mike, I mean Joe Joe might be clueless,

(38:16):
he might be a lot of those things. But what
I'll give Joe credit for is the other run from it.
He never had. He never runs from his opinions. Regardless.
I had him on here before during the WNZ time,
and at the end of the day, he was right
about that one. Okay, you know, it doesn't mean he's
right about this one. Carson did definitely not accomplished the
things for this organization that Jail has, So that's where

(38:40):
I think it's fabricated. That's where I think it's the
easy target. And in terms of the war being really
being real or fake, I would always lean to it
being bullshit. John Mark's good dude, but he doesn't care,
so you know, to make it really wouldn't care, I

(39:00):
want to think at this point of his career, but
maybe he does. But I absolutely see station saying, you know,
this drives traffic, This, this drives the you know us
US our ratings going up and creates that competition that
people love. They love controversy, they love, they love those things.
So absolutely it's like one on one marketing in a

(39:23):
way too. I believe they pushed that for years because
this isn't the first time with guys. So I've always
believed that they pushed that agenda versus each other, right
because they want it. They don't they don't care that
you're giving somebody else publicity. They care that, Okay, it's
going to drive people to listen to what you got
to say about and how you take his takes and

(39:45):
you crush his takes right, different things like that.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
They would do that internally, you know, when they would
go like like say right here at A two D
if you know, we come on here and we start
bashing the lazy booking podcast, right like, you know, he chronoles,
he's an idiot.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
What's he though? What's he talking about?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Right? Like?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And then he he pops on like pops on his
and it's like Tony's a schmuck, like you don't know
what the hell he's talking about. Like the internal vibe
I always felt was fabricated, right, it was boost them up.
I'm just I am, I am, I'm dumbfounded that we're
going to this extreme and I'm trying to I'm trying

(40:26):
to figure out the ulterior motive if it's not you
know what I mean, Like, it's just I don't know,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Know interior motive is what we just said.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
No, right, But what I'm saying though, is if it
wasn't then and somebody would have to explain to me
that's all.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, I agree with you. Like I said, I think
everything they do is.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I gotta go on mute for one second. I'm right there.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
You good. Everything they do is is to drive you
to listen the slop. That's all you're doing. I mean,
you know, go see pictures of the pictures of those
guys and you're like, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna take
this guy's opinion on sports. You know, I know, I
know we're on the radio. Makes sense, and I know
the visual doesn't matter, but now the visual does matter.

(41:15):
So you could you could put a guy looks like
he didn't make his kickball team or it's with a
ball team every you know, last pick, and you could
put him with a former pro and think, okay, we
can make up for him. Well, no, this is what
you get. You get guys with overreaction opinions. You get
guys that really truly don't know, in my opinion, what

(41:38):
goes on in locker rooms. They want to think they do,
and you don't really get a guy who I think
part of it is, you know, directors and things like that, pushing,
pushing their hosts to go after those easy targets, go
after the coach, go after the quarterback. You know, demand

(41:59):
changes many the man that you know, and don't let
them off the hook type stuff. And I think it
that's what they want because that drives the caller, and
that drives engagement and drives everything else. So you know,
long story short, you know that's why I don't listen
to it.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I I'm honest, I and I I I listened to
select few.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
No I go listen to Ike and Johnny before because
I thought that had a good show.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
But I dig Johnny about the way he's been bringing
back and bringing in some of the alums, uh you know,
different get like I like that. I think that keeps
a good vibe. I think it keeps things turning a
little bit. And and I do feel like it's less
of hot takes I do. You know, I'm not a

(42:50):
big fan of the scripted callers and stuff like that,
but I do feel like.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
It's I just got a time for it, and for
any of them, you know, they jump around, you know
what I mean, it's all just I'm good. I'm good,
you know what I mean. Like, I don't need somebody else.
Somebody else's opinion affected mine, and I believe that I
started this, that I didn't need somebody on the dial

(43:18):
affecting what I'm watching with my eyes. I'm not going
to allow it to happen because it's easy for me
to get caught up in them. And the bigger thing
is by listening to something too much, you start to
take on that that that, And I don't want to
take on anybody. This is who I am. So I
found myself early days, early days sort of taking on

(43:39):
other people and it's not that's not me. I want
to be me and authentic and.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
So this is true.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
So what Ryan is talking about right here, and I
want to I want to bring everybody to the insight
a little bit. And why I'm going to give you
the difference between national radio and local radio in my
in my experience, it's okay, John says, XM radio for
me can't stand in the morning show Joe Dido, John Man.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Maybe John, did you ever listen to Fantasy Sports Rader?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Do you ever call it to my show on Sunday
Nights BRO three years held it down Sunday Nights nine o'clock.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Man. But the reason why I want to bring us up, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Is because you're right, so local radio you have to
you have to submit, from what I understand, your agenda
and what is your run sheet?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
What are you going to talk about? But on top
of that, you're.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Also giving specifics on what you need to touch on. Okay, Now,
what I can tell you from my experience on Serious
XM was I was allowed to book my own guests,
I was allowed to do my own run sheets, and

(44:59):
the only thing that was given to me as a
directive for my two hour show was Hey, Now, remember
I host on Fantasy Sports Radio Channel eighty seven, I,
you know, every Sunday night for three years, and I
got from you know, from our producers, was like, listen
Sunday night football games on if you could, let's hit

(45:21):
some live lines, you know, around halftime. Okay that it
wasn't hey, touch on Jalen Hurts getting kicked out.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Or like no, it was none of that. Was none
of that.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
But from what I understand, and I don't know this
to be one hundred percent correct, but it pretty it's
pretty comes from pretty good, credible sources that they have
to do, they have to submit, and they're also giving
a bunch of things they need to talk about to
remember people, Remember, these stations have contracts with specific NFL teams.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I'd say it all the time. Hey, you know, like ninety.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Seventy five contact with the Sixers, right, so they have
to bring sixers in, right, they bring coaches in?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Covered do they have to to the contract?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Right? You know?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So there is there is validity to it for sure.
But that's why I'm what you tell. You made a
good point though. If you listen to something long enough,
it can completely jade your persona and it could start
making you think that same damn way.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, and I don't need that because now I'm with
you because I want to. I want to take the
step back approach. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I do
enough yelling and screaming as it is, right, I don't
need to. You know, if I go on after a game,
you know, I'm gonna yell and scream and I'm not
gonna be happy. But there's not going to be like, hey,
let's bench a guy now right now? Again, we talk

(46:51):
about we're halfway through next year, and you know, hypothetically
this year ends bad and we're halfway through next year
and he's still struggling and things are still going that way,
and listen, man, then we can like start to have
a little bit of a conversation. Right. But I just
think when you just are Super Bowl MVP, I think
in any city, you get a little grace for having

(47:13):
a bad stretch. Like he's got a bad stretch. He's
got four games left the last quarter of the season.
But all we do and all we do super Bowl, Yeah,
all we do. All we do is light fires for
no reason, all right, And we like protest per se
in terms of like benching the quarterback, firing offensive coordinators,

(47:36):
which I'm not saying I disagree with, but like you know,
all those things, and that's all we do is just
drive that stuff home. And then we talk about AJA.
And so we literally dictated by the media and by
a fan base. We we fed in to AJ. We
allowed this to happen, and nobody wants to sit back

(47:59):
and say, what's your happened? We just went one in
three in a stretch since we started feeding this guy.
And that's not how we're built. There will never be
a time in the history of the Eagles offense with
Jalen Hurts under center, which are better under center than
they are, and.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
They definitely are, they definitely are, will.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Never be in it. We're there better throwing the ball
thirty five forty times a game, They will never be
a time and Jalen Hurts's career here in Philadelphia that
that we better suited playing that way. And I can
look around the NFL and tell you most teams are
not built that guy. So thirty five forty times a game, Right,
there's a there's a couple exceptions to the rules, Matthew

(48:38):
Stafford being one of them. Right, there's exactly the rules. Right,
the best player in the National Football League is Josh Allen. Right,
Josh Allen wasn't the same player when he didn't have
a run game. He was really good. Now, I'm not
comparing it to Josh Allens better than Jalen Hurts. Now,
that isn't an up for debate. But what's up for

(48:58):
debate is is a guy for performance went down when
we didn't have that guy, like when the running game
wasn't working. So like performances go up when other things
work well too. It's not like you can't not run
the football well, and they were. I thought I was
gonna say about I thought Monday night you could somehow

(49:19):
e race turnovers. Was probably one of their better offensive
games period, which is crazy to even say out loud,
because they ran it well at times, they strew it
well at times besides the turnovers, right, Like, it's a
weird thing to say out loud, But overall we got
a better performance and a better fight. It's just when
you turn over five times, you ain't winning no games.

(49:41):
And the fact that you're in a game where you
turn over five times against a damn good football team
on the other side says a lot about you. So
that's where I say twenty twenty three is not a
thing here. It's not a thing. They're too talented and
too good defensively for that to be a thing. So
what is it last quarter of this season? Let's figure
some things out. That's what we should we talk about. Hey, oh,

(50:01):
it's not too late. Anybody says it's too late is
an idiot. Anybody said it's too late that the finally
hit in on your identity and figure some things out,
You're moro at any point in time, we can figure
somethings out. A we're gonna be perfect offensively, it's not
what I'm saying. Are we gonna be twenty twenty twenty
four Eagles? Not what I'm saying. Okay, offensively, But can

(50:23):
we be good?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I agree to disagree.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Can we be good? No great word was used. Can
we be good enough? But if you're good enough with
this defense, you can win playoff games. I'll stan by
that shit.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
But when you when you just said though that you
can create an identity, I think that's complete bullshit.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
No, you can. You can. What I mean by that
is they have an identity. That's the funny thing. We're
all talking about identities and all this shit. The identity's
been goddamn built. The identity has been built. That he
it's twenty five or under, he doesn't lose. The identity
has been built. But you haven't changed the run game,
change how you do things. You haven't tried different backs,
you haven't tried you know what, maybe Lamb Dickerson's really hurt.

(51:06):
We got to protect the guy from himself, right, Little
things like that, like for a week like that's that's
my problem with them. The identity has been built by
rpo style when you're struggling up tempo, when you're struggling.
The identity has been built on what they're really good at. Okay,
So so you're struggling at it, that doesn't mean you
stop doing it. That means you get creative with it.

(51:27):
That means you figure out different ways, different cutbacks, different
different ways in the run game to open up holes.
So don't nobody out there give me that. You can't.
We're looking for an identity always shit. The identity has
been here for four years now. The idea is going anywhere.
They're losing an idea. B They don't have a clue
either that the identity is. The identity has been built here.

(51:50):
I mean holways shit. Cone I said after Week four
last year, we'll roll the tape. Give the tape to everybody, please,
I said, after week four last year, what are we doing?
We're throwing the thirty thirty five forty times a game.
We're getting too cute. We are build We are built
with Jalen Hurts will not lose games. Jalen Hurts. I'll

(52:10):
stand by it that Jalen Hurts will not lose games.
When he's twenty five hunder doesn't mean he can't win
him if he's over it. It's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying if you keep him there and you got
to use his goddamn legs too. They have to be
part of this, this this odd.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Why so why so? Let me ask you this, Why
aren't they what?

Speaker 3 (52:28):
What? What do you are? Are?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
So?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
If you had a lean one way or the other,
is it Jalen not wanting to run the ball or
them not wanting him to run the ball?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I think this is where there are a lot of
factors in this, okay, and there's things that are could
probably go deeper than me and you could imagine, right,
But the way I look at it is as as
an athlete and a competitor and a guy who wants
to prove people wrong. I think part of him had

(53:02):
like wants to stay in the pocket and wants to,
you know, go through progressions and wants to get better
at it. I think organizationally, of course, they'd rather a
quarterback now run around all the time and get hurt. Maybe,
But at some point, at some point, when you struggle,
show it. That's all I'm asking. Once you show it again,

(53:23):
it opens it opens. You have weeks to get better here.
This is what I'm saying. You can get back to
your identity. Like, that's what I'm saying. We sit here
and the dial says it they have no identity, they
have no identity. Well, they're not doing their identity. Well,
it doesn't mean they don't have an identity. Like we're
missing the boat here. It's not even it's a brand
new team. This seam won a Super Bowl by Jayleen

(53:43):
hurthstal twenty five runner Tony. They didn't lose a goddamn
game after that, essentially when he was twenty five runder. Besides,
I think the Washington game got hurt it right, but
twenty five under they did not lose a game the
rest of the year. They didn't lose again the rest
of the year.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
So I I agree with everything.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
And and again I don't want to turn.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
This swivel chair to but I thinks I'm going to say,
because it's going to start on the conversation. I just
can't help it because I have to answer this. Okay,
it's again, who doesn't all fall on? And the reason, No,

(54:27):
here's the thing. If me and you and Javaon and
people that started talking about the twenty five and me,
if we're talking about the wrong game, if we're saying
you have an identity, if we're talking where the hell
is the RPO, we're talking about all that, we're talking
about knowing later this is hurt more than than we
think we're talking about Cam Jurgen's still hurt more than
we think we're playing with back offensive linemen.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
We get all that.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
If we know all that, you have a head coach
who's one freaking job, one job as a coach. Tom,
you have to answer this because you're a coach, Okay.
You know if you have a picture on the mound,
that's all about Velo for a man. You got picture
on the mount, and you know when he goes above ninety,
he's got no control. But when he's eighty eight eighty

(55:12):
seven pinpoint greg Max's accuracy, would you keep asking him
to go ninety or above or would you right?

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Are you gonna keep eighty seven? Right?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
So I will ask everybody again, the people that called
me a moron for saying that I'm out on Nick Ariani, Okay,
and I'm gonna ask everybody again, what were we told
Nick Sirianni's job was what were we told. We were
told that his job is to make sure everything smooth,

(55:47):
make sure smooth, baby smooth. We want no ups and downs,
no disagreements, make sure everything's good.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Well, guess what, bro he sucks because he ain't.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
None of that has happened this year, and every single
thing that's wrong is on his watch. So if he's
a head coach, if he's a head coach, if he's
a CEO coach, I'm gonna let last sek gonna say
because I can get all pissed off right now.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Okay, if he's a head coach, a CEO coach, and
he sees.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
What we're all seeing, all of us at the end
of the day, it's his job to be like, no,
we're doing this.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
And that ain't that his job? So if he doesn't do.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
That and he allows it to happen, well, guess what,
he's pe number one in my opinion. And that's why
I keep saying there's a problem. And last I'm gonna say,
and and I because I want a different audience when
I say this. Let's go back to the AJ Brown
thing for one second. AJ Brown, sorry, Greg, AJ Brown

(56:55):
was a freaking problem last year. Aj Brown's a problem
this year. Now, if we know he's a problem, and
you know, players know he's a problem, and you're a coach,
a CEO coach, and you allow that problem to continue

(57:16):
to happen, what happens to the rest of your team
Now they have resentment towards you as a coach because
they're going, you let this god do whatever he wants, right,
I mean, we're tom We're not talking rocket science here, babe.
Like I get at the end of the day, I
worked in a union environment for freaking years and I
look around, like, Yo.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
How come that dude? They gotta do shit?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
But but me, you bust I gotta bust my ass. Well,
maybe he got he got something on them, right, Maybe
maybe he's got some pictures of somebody or something. I
don't know, but it's it's obvious. That's the way we're
triggered to think. So why is nobody talking about this?
I don't understand. Well, I'm sweat, man, I'm done. I
can't do it.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
No, yeah, last thing, last thing. I just think played
sports or played sports. Who has the goddamn ball in
their hands? What's that We both have played sports, we
both understand that everybody in the chat understands it. Who
the hell's got the ball in their hands? Is it Nick?

(58:19):
Is it Jeffrey Loriie? Is it Howie Roseman? Or is
it Jalen Hurts?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
The physical ball? It's Saleing Hurts.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Okay, So go with me here, all right. So when
you're talking about like the twenty five attempts and him
running the football, that falls on him. Okay, what I
mean by that, it's him using his legs falls on him.
Now the RPO format falls on organizationally because they should
be running that period when they struggle. It's an easy,

(58:47):
it's an easy open things up situation where you can
make guys freeze all over the place. I want guys
to freeze when I'm struggling, because you can open up
one big play, and you know how sports work, one
big play, one big touchdown can maybe changed the direction
of how you're feeling as a group in terms of
the next stuff. You know, I don't think he's just

(59:08):
the CEO. I think they did shut him down social
media wise. It probably took too long to your point.
To your point, they didn't get it soon enough. And
then what what trickled in is, you know, they're friends.
So Jayen and aj are boys. I don't care what
anybody says. Definitely so now so now, and that all
agenda was wrong too when the dial made that into

(59:29):
the thing as well. Again, but he's the godfather of
his daughter. But that doesn't matter, of course, you know
when we're when we're doing when program directors are building shows, now,
that's not a that doesn't the factor in. But I regress, So,
like I man, right now, is it hard? Is it

(59:52):
hard for me to sit here and go to bat
for Nick Sirianni when I've crushed him plenty of times
in this city. I've crushed him plenty. Uh. I don't
know there's a guy who's been harder on him, But
it's hard for me to be hard on a guy
right this minute when what you've accomplished. I think it matters.
There's this season isn't over. It didn't end. If it ends,

(01:00:15):
If it ends like that, it's a different conversation to
me and you were having. That's all My point is,
we're gonna have a different conversation than on how my
feelings are towards it. But the grace in a little
bit of leeway in sports is important for coaches too.
It's important think about this, think about this around Like
if you if you after this year said no, that's

(01:00:36):
it right, who would ever want to come here and coach?

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
It's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
So so those those things matter in our reactions and
how maybe they think organizationally. And I've grown up on this.
Trust that man you catched me two years ago. I might,
I might. You know what I mean, I'm out egging houses, right,
But but I talk about fire and nick and twin
twenty three all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
What just happened?

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Tomorrow Moore in Michigan nine and three gets fired.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
M h everybody else, everybody else's fault. Yeah, you gotta
be protected.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
You surround yourself with you can make me work side
by side by a woman tomorrow. I ain't sleeping with her.
I'm I got a wife, I got two kids. Come on, man,
are you are you? Are you a man? Are you
a man?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Twelve million?

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I don't care if it's I don't care if it's
one hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Now else you gave up like everything you you threw
it all away, Like I'm wow, Oh no, dude, maybe
it's not it's not even throwing the money away to me, no,
I'm taking everything that the career, then your reputation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
You could do everything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
You could have been an Amazon driver for all it
matters to me and and the and the person driving
around with you in the winter time. You know, you're
you know, you're finding in the back right, okay, and
you're making seventy five.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
K a year and she's delivering the package.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, you know she got the package. And it's the
same thing. You ain't a man. You just threw it away, right,
you get fired from that job. You threw your career
away like it goes at all levels, right, you know,
from from a person McDonald going up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Right, like it's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Man. Now, when you don't have as much to lose,
it's a little bit easier to make those mistakes if
you're a scumback. But to your point, when you got
even more to lose, you know, where's your conscience? And
first of all, where's your integrity? Where's your morals?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Where you know, I'll say something that's probably not popular,
and I will just say I'm not going to judge
the dude on that because I don't know what goes
on behind closed doors.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I'm not saying what he did was right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
All I'm saying is when it comes to the intimacy
and it comes to you know, the infidelity, it's hard.
Like I know people go through ship. Well, I'm not
saying what they the way they go about it is right.
It's not for me to judge. It's not not at all.
But I but but but I think when I think,
the difference I have with it, and and I won't

(01:03:13):
get a long winded about it is like you just said,
Amazon dRIT To me, it is different because you are
in the public spotlight. Meaning if you're an Amazon driver
and you do that, then yeah, you know, maybe you
disrespect your family and it's in this little circle, right,
But when you're on that stage, man, it's that much

(01:03:36):
greater to where like you know, your your significant other
or wife forget you know, they're taking out social media
like your stuff is just like you're you're getting bombed
all over like for sure, like throw you're talking about
the infidelity at I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Sorry about phone your life. Yeah, doing that to your kids,
doing that to your wife children. Now again, I don't
know what goes on in their house.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Right, And that's the thing that's why I don't touch.
I mean, people go through problems.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Or people have again when you when you're man, I
don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Maybe maybe he was in a didty party, I don't
know any and it was you know, and maybe he
was in a diddy die.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Again like again. But the point is like, I don't know,
I don't know what goes aren't in your household. But
it seems pretty obvious that you know you gave her,
you gave her the role for one reason, so well, yes,
to me, you can just start. It's been going on
for a while. And again I don't know, Like again,

(01:04:39):
I don't know what goes on in their house. That's
not for me to judge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
At the end of the day, what did they what? What? What?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
What was when I when I was working full time,
uh and a big production plan and it was probably
ninety five percent male and maybe five percent female. And
you know those five percent female people were running out
there Thomas had at their mouth like oh, like like
the hot dog guys that we talked about, right, So you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Know, I I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Always I always look at that and I'm like one
of the veterans will go, yo, man, don't ship where
you eat at the end of the day. That was
like the common the common phrase, and it's like, yeah, dude,
like like honestly, why why why I look at that
because it's just it's just a major issue, whether it's

(01:05:30):
good or bad. Like, let me ask you this, would
you want to would you want to work all day
with your wife?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I mean, listen, I'm just being honest, like I think,
but I think you need separation. I think you need
that get away, you know, out of the house a
little bit, or you know, if you guys were together
working side by side every day, seventy hours a week
plus playing husband and wife. Man, that's a lot. That's

(01:06:00):
a lot. That's no no days off, it's no break,
you know what I mean. I mean, listen to me.
We need a break. So I would do this once
a week. So I just at the end of the day,
it's like, you need a break, So listen. Not not
trying to say not trying to condone anything. I'm just
saying that sometimes in anything now in the social media world,

(01:06:21):
we just jump and I'm not sticking on I'm just
saying that you just don't know what went on behind
closed doors. All I'm saying you just don't know who knows.
Still not condoning it, just saying you just never know.
But just crazy, crazy story. But bro, we uh we
got in this. We weren't supposed to get an Eagles

(01:06:42):
talk and we had to blow it up, man, And
the comments.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Were just off the rails.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
That's that's how you can tell. Remember in like two
thousand and eight, everybody was like, oh, Phillies are overtaken
the Eagles. Uh, the Phillies will never overtake the Eagles
in this town ever, Like it's never going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
This is an Eagles town.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
You just you had Collin Swarber, who everybody was so
happy about signing. You barely even talked about it because
everybody's worried about bench the quarterback, Super Bowl MVP. At
the end of the day, you'd be what what, what's
what's the real conversation here?

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
So for anybody to ever thought that was going to happen,
that that script's never been flipped. Yeah, you're right, never,
absolutely never, absolutely never.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
All right, brother, Well listen, great ship, off Man, great ship.
We'll see everybody next Thursday. Hopefully after the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Birds win and after Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Yeah, a little bit more positivity coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Oh wait, if they lose, if they Vegas, give me aggressive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
If they lose, you think, yeah, they won't. They won't,
but another edition Philly Sports Unfiltered. That's all we can
tell them. I'm time on everybody out there. We love you,
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you next Thursday. Maybe Fields will do something and we'll

(01:08:13):
see what happens. It'll be nice. We have some good
things to talk about and we're out. See you next Thursday.
I love you all. Go Birds