November 24, 2022 • 52 mins
Crew from #DestinationFear Talk #Season4 and Some New Twists To Expect!
Happy Thanksgiving!
This is a very special edition of Abnormal Realities with Ron and Rocci. Tonight we interview the cast of Travel Channel’s Destination Fear. Chelsea, Tanner, and Alex.
Destination Fear is a paranormal documentary featuring Dakota Laden and his team of paranormal enthusiasts, including his sister, Chelsea Laden, and friends Tanner Wiseman and Alex Schroeder. The team takes to the road in an RV, visiting a number of reportedly haunted and paranormal hotspots across the United States testing the limits of human fear.
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Happy Thanksgiving!
This is a very special edition of Abnormal Realities with Ron and Rocci. Tonight we interview the cast of Travel Channel’s Destination Fear. Chelsea, Tanner, and Alex.
Destination Fear is a paranormal documentary featuring Dakota Laden and his team of paranormal enthusiasts, including his sister, Chelsea Laden, and friends Tanner Wiseman and Alex Schroeder. The team takes to the road in an RV, visiting a number of reportedly haunted and paranormal hotspots across the United States testing the limits of human fear.
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Maatrix of the mind. Stretch yourimagination and challenge reality. Abnormal realities are
beacons for the imagination. What societydeems abnormal maybe more real than we think.
This is Abnormal Realities with your hosts, Ron Phillips and Rocky Stuci.
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You know, Brother Phillips is kindof weird, you know, not having
you next to me in the studio, Senior little double seven finger point to
get rocket and roll the brother man. I'll tell you first eight ladies and
gentlemen before we continue. Before weeven kick off the program, we already
know what night it is tonight.It is Thursday evening. It is Thanksgiving.
On behalf of Ron Phillips myself OdysseyRadio, I Abnormal's reality talk radio
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show. Up. We just wantto say, you know what, life
can kick you man, and thelife can knock it down, and it
could do a lot of things thatcan leave a lot of scars. But
no matter what, always make sureyou get back up. And no matter
what, no matter what kind ofturmoil that's going on in your life,
make sure you always keep very goodperspective on the things that are most important,
the things that are right there infront of you. The sold ladies
and gentlemen on behalf of us.Happy, thanksgivemn We love you all,
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We appreciate you all. Enough ofthe mushy wushy ron. If you're in
front of me, I'll give youa little hall great now, but you're
not. This is going to bea fantastic show. Guys. We've been
talking about this for weeks and monthsand it's finally here. We are very
very honored to have the cast ofDestination Fear with us tonight. Let me
read this brief intro. Destination Fearis a paranormal documentary featuring Dakota Leyden and
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his team of paranormal enthusiasts, includinghis sister Chelsea Leyden, and friends Tanner
Wiseman and Alex Schrader. The teamtakes to the road in an RV,
visiting a number of reportedly haunted andparanormal hotspots across the United States, testing
the limits of human fear. Andif you haven't watched these shows, then
you really don't know what fear is. Because these guys actually separate into their
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own places and sleep by themselves inthese mmmmm scary ass places. Let's just
go there. You know I watchedthem I tremble. I just don't think
I could do it. I mean, we've been we've been chasing ghosts for
years, and I just don't thinkI could do it. Uh, you're
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ready, Let's go. Please welcomethe cast of Destination Fear. Hi guys,
how are y'all? Good? HappyThanksgiving? Happy Thanksgiving? And Happy
Thanksgiving? Alex Tanner Chelsea All frommy native area of up North and the
frozen tundra of Minnesota. And youknow what, we all wised up a
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little bit, folks. You know, we went to where it's a lot
more sunnier and a lot warm warmer, because you know, we had to,
you know, um Man, I'lltell you something. I know you
guys are busy. This is ahuge time for you guys. We're going
into season four of Destination Fear andI'm gonna I want to say this and
then I'm gonna get the forty guyshere. I've been involved in this.
I actually started following you guys wayback when you guys did this three part
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documentary when you guys went to AnneWilder's house and it's weird, you know,
all the way well, because Iknow Annie really well, and I
investigated the house. And so whenyou guys investigated it, I mean it
was phenomenal. I and then thespoof reels that you guys used to do.
I loved it. Man. Um, you know here, this this
is how twisted. Yeah, this, this is how twisted it is.
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Is that when somebody comes up andtells us that some ghost rams a tongue
in their ear, the first thingwe say is, man, quick,
come over. I know, quecome over and check this out. I
want to come over. Um.But it's it's it's been this pleasure of
watching you because I've always had thisfrustration in this field of it becoming more
of a game and a joke andmore about T shirts and and then it
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is about the actual experience and thepsychology behind the experiences. And and you
guys brought a whole different perspective.You have brought a whole different realm.
And I'm speaking from experiences. I'llgo to places like the Hillhouse, I'll
look upstairs and I'll be like,I'm not going I'm not going up there
myself. I will go up there. He threatened to go there. He
told everybody, all of our listenersand viewers, that he was going to
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go up there by himself. Hegot to the bottom of the staircase and
went, nope, I'm out.So tell me what, man, I
you know, I know, myand I I've accumulated the fear over the
years, just because we learn thatthis is real, and then we learned
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that we're up against things that wereally don't know what we're up against.
But you guys have put yourself insome serious stuff. Like Chelsea, I
remember in season one, I can'tI think it was episode nine when you
heard the woman's voice in the hallway. Gosh, yes, yeah, I
died four times watching that. II felt that, man, you bring
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us through, that bring us throughthese experiences. So I mean when you
go to these look you never knowwhat to expect. You. You know,
before each location, we read apacket and on that packet consists of
the history of the location and alsoincludes some of the stories that other people
have experienced. So every time wego to a location, we know,
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you know the history and what peopleexperience, but we are going in there
kind of clean slate. We don'twe have no experiences, and you don't
really know what to prepare for.It's not like you know, what's going
to happen. So there's the audiblethat you can experience, there's the physical,
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there's the visual, and you justdon't know what that night's gonna bring.
And I think when it comes tothat episode you're talking about, it
was so palpable because it was sohuman. And you can hear things all
the time and you can discount it. You can say, Okay, that
might have been an animal, thatmight have been you know, the building
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shifting, but when you hear anactual human voice, especially when it was
a female voice, and I'm theonly female on the team, So I
just think when it comes to thatmoment, I didn't My reaction to fear
was simply just like I couldn't evenmove and it just was too scary.
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And that was actually like my breakingpoint. I think when when tears are
shed, it takes a lot toget there. But I was rocked that
night. I remember Rocky. Rockytexted me and said, here, you
got to watch this. He said, go to this point here, and
I'm like, hell no, I'mgonna watch the whole thing. So I
got to that point and when youpanicked, I panicked because you could hear
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the voice and if I'm not mistaken, this is the one where the guys
come running at you or come runningto you. Yeah it was. It
was freaky weird. But that's notthe only time you guys experience that,
right, Oh yeah, We've hada lot of experiences that we look at
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each other and we go like,like what Chelsea was saying before is just
like there's a lot of times whereyou can go like, Okay, maybe
the door moved because some of thewindows are broken down, there's wind displacement,
or there might be something that canbe a little bit explainable. But
like when you have stuff like whatChelsea experienced or what we happened at what
happened at Sweet Spring Sanatorium, likethere's things there that we all look at
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each other and we go, whatwas that, How did that happen?
What what could have caused that?And when you have no answer to that,
that's when we all start freaking out. And it's it is a human
emotion to get scared at those pointsbecause you can't explain it, and those
unexplainable things or make people very uncomfortable. And I think that's where we get
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ourselves into and like we try toexperience sience that for other people that don't
have the availability to go to theselocations that have always wanted to because I
mean, we've been fans of likethe paranormal and paranormal shows, and we've
always go, oh, man,if we ever got to Waverley, we
ever went to valist Acts murder House, my goodness, Oh I just walk
right up there and I'll be perfectlyfine. But then we actually get the
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opportunity to do that, like thestory that you guys are sharing with Rocky,
you get to that point and yougo, ah, no, thanks,
I'm not I don't want to doI want to do that anymore.
Yeah, And that's okay to havethat. You know, that's probably more
normal, right, I've had that. I seem they had that feeling a
lot more because I had a physicalexperience for this energy and with a couple
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of my buddies, and one ofthem as an archaeologist who has a Dick
site in Egypt, so he's veryintellectual but very spiritually open, and we
all had this experience. It traumatizedme. It literally changed me on everything
I do in my entire approach andmy biggest thing I really want to give
you guys kudos for is the frustrationof not being able to sell the emotional
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part. And so when you watchthese shows, it's like I can empathize
with a lot of what you guysare going through. And I know we
have a lot of people that arearmchair like quarterbacks, you know, and
they watch some of this stuff.I would straight up, just like we
said something in the Hillhouse, atiny little house in mineral wells. You
know, I want to go upstairsby myself. You guys are going in
some of these places that are proventime and time and time again they have
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mass stream activity. Yeah, byyourself, with like nobody to protect you
at all. And people don't understandwhat it takes just to get to a
location where you're supposed to sleep,let alone, be there by yourself.
So what does it take in yourminds to be able to get through these
situations when you are truly alone?Honestly, Yeah, there's really no preparation
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that works, at least that I'vefound. I find myself even months before
we go out on the road,laying in bed going oh my god,
and weeks I'm gonna have to bedoing this by myself in a haunted location
like, it never gets easier.It really doesn't. And the thing that's
even worse about season four is Dakotahad this bright idea, well dark idea,
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I guess, to take away ourflashlights. That is the one little
bit of security that we have,yeah, at these locations, and he
goes, anytime we're alone, ifyou're doing a solo walkthrough, if you're
sleeping alone, we're not going tohave any flashlights. I'm throwing all of
you guys into the complete darkness.And that that's something that we didn't even
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know of before we were actually atthe first location, and so there there's
absolutely nothing that sounds exciting about havingno flashlights in all. The only thing
you get then is what the infraredin your camera lens, and that is
freaky in and of itself. Rockyout have been on the Alex. I
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don't know how you do it,dude, because you you you operate the
camera and you're you know, partakingin everything else. How do you keep
your mind focused on what you've gotto do when things are you know,
flying off the shelf, so tospeak. That is some question to ask,
it is, isn't it? Honestly? Sometimes my mind just goes blank
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for a second, and I thinkabout just getting the shot. I mean,
the best example is season one,episode seven, when we were at
Oh God, I forget the nameof Fairfield Fairfield County Infirmary, and we're
doing solo walkthroughs and I went inby myself and at the end of the
hallway a jail cell door. Theone jail cell started to slowly open in
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front of me, and in mymind, my mind was racing. I
wanted to run out of there immediately, but something in my head told me
to get this on camera, otherwiseno one's gonna believe you. So,
like you see in the footage,I'm like freaking out. And then I
stopped really quick and just stand thereand then I run out of the building.
Oh yeah. I don't understand it. I don't know how my brain
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worked that way, like where Iwas just like, all right, I
gotta get this on camera otherwise everyone'sgonna think I'm a lunatic. It was
so funny because we're all standing thereand we look at the footage and everything,
and we just go why didn't yourun? Why don't you leave?
And he just goes, I needto get the shot. I needed to
prove that I'm not crazy. Thatis a good cameraman for you right there.
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Exactly definitely focus on well Chelsea.You know, they put you in
a couple of situations too, youknow, and you know, I kind
of had to yell around last weekbecause we were actually having a little breakdown.
We're talking about you guys coming onthe program, know who we thought
was the bravest and who we thoughtwas the least bravest out of the four
you know, um, do youguys maybe have a guess who we think
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is the bravest out of the fourof you. I'm guessing Chelsea. Usually
whatever is Chelsea's the bravest, weget it. We look like wins,
you know, wereing of the fourout of you? No, no,
no, not at all. ButI was trying to actually understand the psychology
behind that, because you know,why is it? Is it because do
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we expect men to be braver?Or because I don't know, I come
from an old school of Italian familyand I'm afraid of every woman in my
family. And also if there's likea dune in my basement, I'm sending
Gramma Stucci. That's who I'm sendingI ain't sending Grandpa. I'm sending Grandma.
You know. So it's it's it'sbut but that's the challenging part,
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right. I remember, like sometimesyou look at the cold and I get
that look from a sister. Youknow, it's kind of like, okay,
when this camera shuts off, we'rehaving a little conversation of you know,
when you get into locations where there'sthings that happen to women, to
put yourself there by yourself, youknow, And I know how you gentlemen
already are protecting Chelsea, and Iadmire the hell out of that, putting
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yourself in situations where there could besome more dangerous goals that could do more
violating thing towards women. To dothat, it's a very crazeous thing to
do, and to do it forthe sake of you know, evidential paranormal
try to get to the truth andthen fight your fears at the same time.
What does it take for you tobe able to walk down these hallways
of these crazy asylums and prisons byyourself where bad things happen to women.
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What does it take? It's areally good question. I think it's changed
and evolved over the past four seasons. The first season, I genuinely needed
the guys to cut me up,like I seriously can confidently say that I
couldn't do it without them, andI almost quit on episode one season one.
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So I think the first season ittook friendship and trust in each other,
and by season four I still hadthat. But now I'm thinking through
the lens of our fans. Yeah, what do the fans want me to
do? Do I want to walkthrough this tunnel by myself? Heck no,
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absolutely not. Do. I thinkthe fans would have a way better
experience if I just buck up anddo it. Yes, So I think
the fans actually weirdly encourage me withouteven being there, just through that lens
because I want to make I wantto make it the best I can,
and usually that means I have todo something I'm really not super comfortable with.
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Right well, Facing the Fear isI mean, that's how you guys
got started with Facing the Fear.And I want to play this here in
just a second so we can talkabout it. But the Trail of Terror
documentary, I've got the I've gota lock a one minute trailer that I
want to show everybody just to kindof give them an idea of what you
guys have been through. So standbyjust second, let's let's watch this.
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I know nothing about these locations.I just know that we're driving east total
to terror. It is a documentary, but it also is a challenge.
It's a total experiment. I thinkif you're gonna capture real fear on camera,
this is the way to do it. We're gonna be a huge scary
place to sleeping in separate rooms,super far apart. I've always liked fear.
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I love the idea of fear.Fear is cool. My god,
this is a bad idea. It'sjust really scary. That's wrong. Oh
my god, I can't move.I'm so scared. Okay, that they
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picked they had to have picked thebest parts of all of that, because
that freaked me out just watching it. Is that is? That is that
What got you guys started in thiswas just going out as a team and
doing the ghost hunting and stuff likethat. Or did Dakoda talk you guys
all into this and go I'll payyou lots of money to do it.
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No, definitely got the ladder.So Actually, yeah, as as kids
like um, on weekends, wewould love to like google, like what
is an abandoned location? What isa scary haunted story and a place that
we could go to? And allof us we would drive up to these
places and I mean we went allover Minnesota. We started going to both
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of the Dakotas, Wisconsin and Iowa. I mean it was one of our
things that we'd just love to do. We love chasing them a journal and
rush of being absolutely nervous and scared, and so like years went down the
road and we're not in high schoolanymore. We me and Chelsea, we've
graduated from college. And Dakota goes, hey, you know, I got
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this idea of filming this documentary aboutus going to these scary buildings like we
used to do as kids. AndI go, awesome, man, like
that that sounds great. Where arewe going? Like what places? And
he goes, oh, yeah,no, no, I can't tell you
that part. That's that's the partwhere I'm like, no one's gonna know
where we're going. I go,okay, so then what are we doing?
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Well, We're gonna go in there, We're gonna explore for the entire
night, sleep there, and thenat the end of the night, we're
gonna draw out of a hat andsleep alone. I go, dude,
we haven't stayed in one of thesebuildings longer than two hours. What makes
you think you're gonna do a wholeentire overnight, let alone, sleep alone?
And he goes, it could begreat. It's great content. Now
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he sounds like Rocky, Oh,it's gonna be gay. Yeah, so
you're lucky. You got the fullstory. You got the full story right
off the bat. I did notget the full story. I was no,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Iwas told that we were doing what
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we did when we grew up,and that was exploring together, and that
was basically urban exploring where we allget scared, basically run out of there,
and that was it. Dakota didn'ttell me the real, true,
like what we were really doing onthis show until like a week before we
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laughed. That's a pretty big detail. I'm just saying, you know,
it's kind of a big detail,like when you gotta go to a basement
or in a death chamber of aprison and be there by yourself for four
hours. I'm probably gonna want toknow that and probably gonna want something writing,
you know, I'm just saying.I started to say, though,
it might have been better for meto not know it until the time came
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to do it, right, Look, hey, oh check this out,
all right. I gotta tell youguys this, you know, and I'm
sorry I'm diverting a little bit,but you know, when we went up
to the whole house to investigate,I gotta tell you, guys, this
was Ryan's first investigation. This ishow prepared he was to do. Brought
extra underwearing pants just in case hecrapped himself. I'm not even that's truth.
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You did bring a change of clothes, did you not? Because we
were going to stay to night.I didn't know. I was going to
be scared crap list to go inthere and change clothes. I no,
I didn't tell you. I don'tknow. And I and I get that
you guys have a crew, youknow of people that are there, but
they don't go into these places withyou, am I right? We get
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Yeah, we're completely dropped off.So like our r V, like our
producer that's on the show, thecameraman, like you'll see those shots when
we walk in these buildings from faraway of us walking that building and then
once we actually get in there,because Dakota is our executive producer of our
show, he's now our on siteproducer. So then everyone else leaves and
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goes and we are quite literally stuckthere by ourselves for the entire night.
Now, they do they monitor youguys from afar in case you need something.
One one person stays up for thenight, but they're like at their
hotel. Yeah, it's not likethey're they're anywhere near est, not messing
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around or anything. They're they're gone, and it's literally just a probably yeah
yeah, I mean hopefully, mygoodness, I mean it's a long time.
Well, I'll tell you from froma from a you know, from
a producing standpoint, from a productionstandpoint, you guys are better than the
best as far as I'm concerned.For what, you know, the footage
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that you shoot, the way everythingdone. So kudos to you guys for
that because these guys used to puttogether. You go watch some of the
stuff these guys did. I don'teven know how old you guys were.
You know, when you guys aredoing like the Ghost Adventures spoofs and you
guys are going to Annie Wilder's housein that school in Iowa, but you
guys are obviously a lot younger.But I mean this is like when I
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produce a radio show, I haveeverything in front of me. You can
put a blindfold on and I canhit every button when I need to hit
it because of second nature. Nodifferent than you guys walking in with cameras.
It's what you guys have been doingsince you guys have been kids,
you know. So it's just likeit's all everything's perfect, you know,
right, And I gotta attribute thatto you know, all of us.
I mean, we've been doing thesevideos since we were like what you said,
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we were kids. I mean whenwe did Ghostboys, I think we
were sixteen years old because I wasthe one driving. And then from there,
I mean even before that, Imean we did YouTube videos. Every
single Tuesday, we'd come out withthe new YouTube video. And we've been
doing that since we were like earlyhigh school. So we were grinding,
grinding on our filmmaking skills. Dakotahas been grinding on its editing skills and
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like everyone has been just it reallyis a huge compliment to us because we
are there by ourselves, We arethe only ones filming, and the fact
that you guys can see that weare conscious enough to make to have good
shots, to have good b rollto to. We don't cut away and
do a voiceover at all. We'reall we're storytelling in the moment. So
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that the fact that you guys actuallysee that's a huge compliment to us because
we've been you know, lack ofbetter turn busting our butts to like actually
do that and showcase that. Sothank you guys. Well look, you
guys, you guys are professionals atit. There's no question. And in
season four starts the twenty fifth thisFriday, U what is it, nine
pm Eastern a PM Central. Nailedit? Just look yeah, yeah,
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and then Discovery Plus Yeah that's wherealways catching Well, congratulations on four seasons
the way, thank you. That'sa big deal too. I want to
ask you to one of you guys. This is a little bit deeper,
just because you know, I believeand evolution of what we do. If
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we truly are into what we do, we love what we do and the
experiences and we're absorbing them, therethere has to be some kind of evolution
I know I have, whether itbe in my relationship with God through this
process, or whether it be havingsome very traumatic experiences that made me kind
of step back. I gained newfears, I lost some fears. I
healed physical things, really weird experiencesfrom the paranormal. But there was an
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evolution process. You know, whatI thought five years ago was different than
when I think now. When Ithought ten years ago, it was way
different than when I think now.And trying to understand the world, it's
it's it's broadened and I got morequestions. But I evolved to become a
better person from these experiences. Now, you guys are going into season four,
so that means you have three seasonsjust from that just Nation Fear TV
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show of locations you've been to,not including all the other locations you've been
to off theear. This has beena lifelong journey for you, in one
form or the other. Explain tome ways that you evolved. I'm sure
you've had traumatic experiences with paranormal don'tknow if you've ever been followed home,
don't know if any of that hasever come home with you. But I
want to hear about how it's changedyour life for the good or for the
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bad. I mean, I canstart just you know, I have you
know, two different worlds. Ihave two different lives. I'm obviously on
the TV show, and then myother world is I'm an autometrist, so
I have a full time job outsideof the show. And one of the
things that really I would say transformedme as a person is just overcoming certain
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fears, not even like the fearof the unknown, the fear of paranormal
but being able to face things thatscare me and know that there are actually
things that I can overcome that Inever thought that I could before. So
just this show alone, if youtold me ten years ago that I'd be
doing this, I would say youare. I would actually put a lot
of money on the fact that Iwould not be doing this because it was
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just something I actually thought I couldn'tdo. And so now I look at
like life a little differently. IfI'm actually scared of something, I think
that fear actually ignites something in methat's kind of like a challenge now and
I'm like, Okay, am Iphysically in danger? Maybe is it?
Is it worth it? And thenyou know, I feel like I was
able to overcome a lot of things, you know, outside of the show.
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Too Soppy book, Chelsea you're kindof fearless as it is, right,
aren't you. Aren't you a hockeyplayer too? I mean, that's
so funny you say that. Yes, I played professional hockey. I've played
Division one hockey, and you know, everyone always thought of me as this
kind of tough chick and the paranormalkind of broke me. You know.
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I was like, oh, she'snot so tough. But um, it
allowed me to grow in other areas. So yeah, you don't feel bad.
Don't feel bad. We we're partof this celebrity softball game every year,
so we get to hang out withsome really cool athletes starting here and
I have not found one of them, not yet to come along with us
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to talk a lot of shit.Man, go with us. They pass,
you know, and they're like doit. It's like, man,
you're four hundred pounds. You know, you're kind of thinking. You wear
these freaking pads and you go breakguys with bones for a living, and
you can't come to this little hornand house with me for five minutes.
Man, damn? Oh all right, um, Alex, how about you
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brother? Because you don't you comingin you know, you came in from
the production side and then you youreally came involved to man, And I
was actually going to bring up thattime when that that that jail cell door
opened because that thing weighed a ton, and I was actually gonna take my
head off, man, because you'reright, a lot of people would free
code instead of getting the footage.And this footage is everything. Why we
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do what we do. Without thatfootage, everything's just a story. Right?
What about your evolution process through this, man? Is it you always
I've been a journey. Has itbeen fun? Has it been disastrous?
You know? The paranormal can doweird things in your life, you know.
I mean, like we've said,we've we've kind of done this our
whole lives, going into abandoned,haunted places. So just from the beginning,
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like I recall so many times whereI'll walk in and be like,
all right, I'm out after twominutes. I'm going to go wait in
the car. You guys go havefun. That's enough for me, or
just you know, not even makingit past the first room in the building.
Like so just the evolution of it, being able to now walk through
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a building on my own and spendingnight there by myself. I never would
have thought that I could do somethinglike that, and I have to agree
with Chelsea. It kind of pushesthrough to other aspects of life where you
think I did this. I pushedthrough that even though I was completely terrified.
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I didn't think I could do it, but I did it. So
maybe now I can push through thisadversity and conquer it and get through it
in every aspect of life, youknow, brother, That's that is.
That's it right there. We're startinga new shoal and we are interviewing people
that have gone through this adversity.And you said it right there, is
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that we live a life where wecreate limits. And whether it be in
the physical realm or else dealing withthe spiritual realm, can I make it
through that room? Can I makeit to the basement. One time I
went to the Valisa X murderhouse withfive women and they're like, hey,
Stucci going up and put this cameraup in the attic. I made it
all the way to the door.I never I never went in. I
never went in the attic, youknow. I mean, I just didn't
want to go in there. Itkind of freaked me out. But it's
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it's that creating limits, whether itbe as an athlete, we create them
or we don't. In real lifewe create them or we don't or in
paranormal That is a huge lesson thatwe can distribute to people that we learned
through this process dealing with life afterdeath, is that we can become a
better person. You know what I'msaying, super true, that's true.
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How do you guys? I mean, there are people out there who fear,
you know, the potential of fearjust it terrifies them, it paralyzes
them. Did you guys experience anyof that growing up where you were paralyzed
by fear? Do you still experienceit? Because you could, Like Rocky
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said earlier, you can take thebiggest, baddest, you know, defensive
lineman and tell them you want totake them on a ghost hunt, and
they will. They will freak outand it's funny to watch. But then
there are people who have mastered theirfear, who know how to handle the
situation. And I guess until you'reput in that position, you don't really
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know what you're gonna do. Howdid each of you, you know,
handle that when you first started,man, I mean season one, like
when we went to Sweet Springs Sanatorium, you know, Tayner and Chelsea were
hearing voices in the basement when theywere sleeping alone down there. They were
separated by a huge, long hallway, so they weren't near each other,
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but they heard the same thing andthey called me, Da Code, Yeah,
meand Coda down to the basement.So we're all in the same area
and we hear this yell, thisjust painful scream. And so to say
that fear paralyzes you, my kneesbuckled and I dropped to the ground,
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Like I like literally just dropped tothe floor, didn't I don't even know
if I yelled, if I screamed, Like everything in my world just stopped
and I collapse to the ground.So like, this stuff still will paralyze
me. Like the fear definitely willdo that to you, but it's kind
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of a humbling experience in a way, Like I don't know, Like once
you go through something like that andthen another occurrence happens, you get a
little bit better at managing your fear, at least in your brain of kind
of pushing through that and being ableto come out on the other side.
But man if I didn't have ChelseaTanner and Dakota there, there's no way
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I could do this. Like,we all help each other out in so
many different ways. I think that'sreally important when it comes to fear,
is to have people that you trustand care about and you know care about
you as well with you to gothrough these experiences, because if we didn't
have each other, I don't thinkany one of us would be able to
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make it through night alone. Thatmakes sense, Tanner. Have you ever
had a situation that scared you sobad that you really had to lean on
the other three to talk it out? Oh? I mean it's like almost
every single night when we do thesethings. I mean, there's so many
times where you go into these buildingsand it takes just one thing that you
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can't explain that just completely takes overyour thought process. You can't get it
out of your head of like thatone thing. And every single time we
jump on the RV and we getback on the road, like we joke
around. We talk like we tryto like explain like what I was feeling,
what I experienced, and then afterthat it's just like all right,
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let's put this this location behind us, Let's start joking around a little bit.
I mean, even in season fouron our second episode. Like this
isn't a big spoiler, but likethere's a there's a point in time where
I get so scared that I did. I just flat out leave and I
go outside and I wait for theteam to come all come out of their
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sleeping arrangements and come get me becauseI just was not comfortable in that situation.
And like that's the thing I thinkpeople really need to realize, is
that like it's okay to be afraid. It is okay to have fear.
That is a human emotion, andit's perfectly fine when you feel uncomfortable to
just get out of that space.Like you know, we always say,
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like it is nice to try toget you know, be comfortable being uncomfortable,
but there is a limit to that, Like you shouldn't push yourself too
far. And I mean, likelike echoing what Alex said is like if
we didn't have our group together,I don't think any of us would be
able to do any of this becauseit's such a draining thing spiritually, emotionally,
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physically that you really need to leanon everybody just to get through it.
Because we're doing this whole road tripin a month. Have like if
we didn't have the support of everyonegiving high fives saying nice job, way
to go, away to go.And I know, I know that's stuck
a good job, but we justwe couldn't do it. And I think
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that really translates on screen and whyour show is doing well it is because
this is a friendship that we dohave. Yeah, you know, I'm
a lot channel. I'm a lotlike you when it comes to once I
reach like a certain a certain thresholdof like where my body feels the fear
or I feel like I'm being pushedback into a corner. Um, Do
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you have that trigger switch to whereyou go from being super scared too.
I'm looking for somebody now and I'mgonna have a conversation with you, you
know, come up. See youknow what I'm saying exactly, dude,
I feel that, man, becausethat's the more what I get to.
That's my defensive You just unleashed amonster, you know what I'm saying,
Um, And that's kind of howyou survive. And I want to be
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honest about something. You know thatone that one time, I think it
was in season three where they lockedyou in that room and kind of used
the big dresser to hold the darkclothes, right, you know, that
was kind of messed up. ButI'm just saying, oh, you know,
I don't know. Yeah, itjust was talking about who we're all
friends. I might take some ofthat back. Now you're reminding me,
man, that's taking a little pointwilds. You get to a point where,
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yeah, you get to some pointswhere you like, I mean,
I've had multiple times where me andAlex are just yelling down the halls because
we're so scared. We just tryingto match you up and try to like
break through that. But then yeah, there's sometimes where it just breaks you
down, and that's that you can'tcan't do anything about it. That's that
struggle between the psychological warfare and isactually a really a paranormal event, you
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know, because they start getting thatmixed with the fear and everything else involved.
You know, Oh totally. Now, you know, I'm curious to
know because Rocky enough talked about thisa little bit, and Chelsea you mentioned
earlier the auditory aspect of things andhearing and seeing, you know, apparitions
or what have you have any ofthe three or four of you ever been
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physically attacked or touched so it's weirdto say that because I hadn't up till
this season, and as far asI know, like obviously you can have
like a muscle spasm and think something, but this was like different. It
was at the Winchester Mystery House,and that it's an awesome location, by
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the way, if you ever hadthe opportunity to go, it's such a
fascinating spot. But I was sitting, we were all separated, and I
was sitting on a chair in SarahWinchester's room and I felt like something touched
my shoulder and I verbalized it setit to the camera and the closer I
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like. I replayed that multiple timesand it actually it almost looks like something
moved my hair. Oh, Iactually moved my hair. And I don't
know it could it could have justlike fallen or whatever. But it was
the first time I ever had aphysical interaction with what I feel was something
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paranormal. Well, but the factthat you thought you were being touched in
your hair, yeah, I feltlike it was on my shoulder, which
was so weird. So weird.I don't like. I don't like the
touch stuff. I don't like thephysical stuff. I don't you know.
I asked Ron one time. Isays, Dude, if you woke up
in the middle of the night andmaybe there's a ghost next you're doing some
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things, you know, would youstop it or would you just kind of
finish? You know? On gotmad at me and he didn't talk to
me for a week. It's justlike, you know, I don't know,
he didn't give me an answer.Oh, sometimes you have to think
through the answers before you give themto Rocket. Yeah, yeah, amazing.
You know, I get in troubleall the time on the show.
So um, I don't know Ronhow much time we have, but I
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want to make sure that we leteverybody know because tonight is Thanksgiving, folks.
Tomorrow night, Friday is the kickoffof season four of Destination Fear.
I cannot wait. I love thisprogram. I love these guys native from
my homeland of Minnesota. I'm surewe could talk hours of all, you
know, certain locations that we've allinvestigated. But give us the laydown,
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give us what is the mission?What is the direction of season four that's
going to be different than possibly seasonone, two, and three. Season
four is all about embracing the darkness. So we've said before Dakota takes away
our flashlights. And we have atheory that if you know, you show
fear, that more paranormal stuff ismore likely to happen, that it feeds
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on that or it's activated on that. And so we have said for years
now that our flashlight is like oursecurity blanket. It's our one thing that
would be comfort all by ourselves forgoing back and forth of this light.
And you know, you can tryto make sense of things now that you
have a light on. But nowthis whole season we have zero flashlight by
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ourselves, and it is the Iwill say it is the most difficult season
we've ever done, because we,like we were saying, before you get
frozen, you you hear something,and now you really don't want to walk
down that hallway that much anymore.There's things that happened that you try to
like debunk or try to like justget a sense of it, and you
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just can't see. In my mind, Tanner, my mind goes to I'm
in a dark hallway. I haveto number one, remember how I got
down this hallway in the dark,and number two, how to get out
of the hallway in the dark.And if I touch something going back down
that hallway. My body's going torelease a lot of things. I just
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I don't know how you do it. How Wow, it was definitely difficult,
that's the least I mean there's Imean, everyone could talk about it.
Everyone has had we call it aflashlight moment because we wish we had
our flashlight. In fact, weuh, we definitely missed it this season.
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But there's little even during the daywith all the light on and extra
lighting on, and I could havelike my invisible force shield on. I'm
still nervous to walk into certain locations, So no flashlight thing. It's like,
I don't know, Dakota, Idon't know if you not gonna be
friends anymore, you know, gettinga little out of control, you know
what I mean? Um, Iwas gonna ask you. I forgot what
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I was gonna ask you, guys. Um, it'll come to me the
second we end this program. Um, what did it have to do with
it to a season four? Seasonthree? I can't freaking remember. Um.
Oh yeah, here's a question.Now, you guys did do some
overseas locations. We're setting up aplan right now. We're gonna be going
to Egypt and my buddy who's thearchaeologist, is going to get us the
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four of the most haunted locations inEgypt. But you guys been to I
think wasn't Ireland? Isn't where youwent to? Yeah, what's the difference
in hauntings when you're in an older, historically richer country compared to something like
right here in the United States.Man, it it's really tough to pinpoint
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what exactly is haunting the location becauseof the hundreds sometimes thousands of years of
history behind it. I mean,we went to a place called Spike Island,
which was a massive prison at somepoint. It was a hospital,
right like, it was a hospital. It was like a refugee like kind
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of camp for people during the famine. It was a fort at one yeah,
a military fort. Like all thesedifferent layers of history throughout is hundreds
and hundreds of years in existence.And you can feel that energy when you're
there. You feel all the differentlayers and it's it's kind of indescribable really,
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Like I mean, maybe you guyscan describe it a little bit better
than I can. I Mean,you get like a knock or you get
a voice, you have something tohappen and you go like, I don't
know if this is coming from thehospital time, I don't know if this
is the fourth time. Is thisa refugee here? Like it's so much
more difficult because there's so much historywith that. I mean, we even
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went to Loftis Hall and it wasthe first time that we've ever dealt with
a legend. And this is becauseit was so old and the history and
the story was so old that youknow, every I mean, no one
knew like what actually happened here,but everyone knows what happened here, and
so it's just one of those yeah, yeah, we're dealing with folklore.
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It was just and it's one ofthose things where like when you go to
places in the United States and likesome thing has happened in the last like
hundred two hundred years, and youcan you can you walk into that certain
room that's supposed to be super hauntedand you can feel it in that room.
You maybe walk on the hallway andit's not so scary. But with
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these places, there's so much timeand so much history going in these places
that it's every step you're taking youfeel something is going on or something has
happened in this particular spot is itwas the most wild thing of all time.
The funny part about that is peoplein Ireland really wanted to come to
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locations in America, and because youwant what you can't have and you want
what's like less tangible for you.So like people were asking us all about
our big locations and so it wasit was interesting to kind of hear what
they what they're interested in seeing,and a lot of them had to do
with our country. Unfortunately, Americajust doesn't have the history that these places.
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You know, I don't know,I'm sorry. I was just saying.
Once, you know, we dohave like a good historic building,
and we get to a certain point, it gets renovated, it gets repurposed,
it gets torn down. It's likewe aren't the best of preserving history
here. That's a fact. Thatis a fact. I don't know if
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my camera frolls are not my myscreen frols over here? But what is
you look good? Look? Oham, I am I still going you
know? Can you still see me? Okay? You know the picture still
looks good. I'll tell you thatyou look good. You're frozen Tanner.
I'm gonna tell you something, Butyou look good. To me. You
know, I'm just gonna tell youright now, my guy. All right,
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So, so my bucket list location, as a matter of fact,
I'm talking with them right now.I want to go to the Goldfield Hotel.
What is your guys' bucket list locationthat you want to go investigate anywhere
on the planet and you are onthe planet. Oh my gosh, I
would have to be the castles,just castles in the UK. I would
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love to do that mine, simple, simple and sweet. How about you,
guys? My my one of mylast bucket list locations for here in
the States would be Alcatraze. Thatis such a cool prison, so much
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history to it, uh, somuch haunting claims to it. Like yeah,
that is that is the one locationleft in the States that I need
to see at some point in mylife. And I really want to go
to Dracula's Castle in Romania. Iwant to go there so bad. It's
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an itch I haven't been able toscratch. I mean, I've always loved,
you know, the Dracula movies.I've loved all that stuff. And
then just knowing that there was aperson that was that this book and this
character was based off of and hehas an actual castle that he did weird
inst up stuff to people inside there, there's a dungeon that was used for
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what dungeons are supposed to be usedfor. And it's just like, I
just if I go there, Iwill be the most happy and scaredest person
in the world. Dude, thisguy went and he put the heads of
his enemies on sticks and he puthim in front of his castle just to
send a message. Yeah, dude, it's messed up. It's like it's
one of those things where it's likethose stories where you can read it.
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You just read it on a pieceof paper and it gives you shivers.
Like that's when you know it's it'sa great location. It's a messed up
story, and it's like, ah, man, I want to go there
so bad. It's it's actually unreal. I did. I'll make a deal
with you right now. I'll gothere with you, and you gotta come
to Egypt. You gotta you gottacome to Egypt with me, and we're
gonna go investigate Kingtom. It getsa good deal, gets the tombs.
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Yeah, it's the tunes that I'mI'm looking forward. So, I mean,
you talk about the history there's someserious history in those right. Yeah,
there's there's actually a spot right bymy buddy's Dicksie Devil l Solsila is
actually where they got the main stonesfor the Pyramids, and it's one hundred
miles away, but there's a spotin the desert that not one Egyptian will
go to at night because of thehaunted activities. And wow, makes me
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super hungry, bro, I literallycannot get there quick enough. Josh,
gas, aren't there a couple oftimes? I know that? So,
but yeah, it's it's it's awhole different type of world. You know.
You go to European countries and thehauntings, you talk about the Hauntings
area. Then you know the NorthAmerica and you know just the Americas,
and then you go out to likethe Middle East and Asian countries and everything's
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looked at and viewed and experienced differentlythan what it is here. And it's
just like I want some of that, you know, I just wanted just
a little touch of it. That'sit. That's gonna be so awesome.
Oh my gosh, I'm jealous.I'm jealousy around how much time do we
have? Like we got about twominutes. Are you gonna read net?
No, I'm not going to reconnecteverybody. No, we're good. I
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just want to make sure every guyslet us know we're not. We have
the kickoff of season four. What'scoming up? What's coming up for Destination
Fear? You guys have any projectsgoing right now or what's going on with
all you? So? Yeah,Season four Destination Fear November twenty fifth,
Discovery Plus and the Travel Channel.We have worked our butts off for this
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season. It's an eight episode season. It's definitely I know we say it
every year that it's our best,but we definitely topped ourselves by far this
time. I mean every single episodeis like just it just gets better and
better and better. I feel like, and yeah, we're just really excited
for it, Like we we've beensitting on it for so long. We've
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all seen the cuts, we knowexactly what happens, and the fact that
we haven't been able to even shareabout it. I mean, this has
been one of the best weeks ofour lives because we finally get to talk
to people about what we finally didjust at the beginning of a year.
Yeah, we start off, wekick it off with Crescent Sanatarium, and
that is pretty intense because we actuallyend up going back to back, so
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so episode one and two is atthe same location. We've never done anything
like that before. Usually when wehit a location, we're done, it's
over, we're onto the next.But this location is absolutely massive, so
it definitely did take two days forus to be able to Really we could
probably do more more episodes there,it was so big. But if you
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do it back to back, yeah, if you do back to back episode,
you know there are some things goingon, you know, yes,
how well we are. They areall absolutely looking forward to it. Guys,
thank you so much for taking thetime to visit with us. We
know that things are busy for youright now on the interview circuit, but
when this thing fires off on Fridaynight, we'll be there in front of
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the TV watching with everybody else becauseyou know, you guys are the best
of the best, and that's theways we see it. Thank you guys
having us on here today. Thisis awesome. Not to worry, Honestly,
no, I'm absolutely grateful, gratefulfor everything to do, all that
you represent and bringing integrity back intothe paranormal field. I think that's the
best. Hey, hey, lookit's back. You know, don't worry
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about it. You know, Iknow people, they took care of me.
I know it's okay, you know. But Destination Field it's gonna be
tomorrow night, November twenty fifth.To look him up on the Travel Channel
and Travel Channel plus. That's right, catch them man, Alex Chelsea Tanner.
I love you, guys. Iappreciate you for us. Please,
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we're sorry. We miss God.Ladies and gentlemen. Happy Thanksgiving each and
every one of you on behalf ofmyself round Phillips. I am rocky.
Students, you, ladies and gentlemen. Until next week. May God bless
you, May God bless America.See you guys. Take care of guys.
Maatrix of the mind. Stretch yourimagination and challenge reality. Abnormal realities are
beacons for the imagination. What societydeems abnormal maybe more real than we think.
This is Abnormal Realities with your hosts, Ron Phillips and Rocky Stuci.
(00:23):
You know, Brother Phillips is kindof weird, you know, not having
you next to me in the studio, Senior little double seven finger point to
get rocket and roll the brother man. I'll tell you first eight ladies and
gentlemen before we continue. Before weeven kick off the program, we already
know what night it is tonight.It is Thursday evening. It is Thanksgiving.
On behalf of Ron Phillips myself OdysseyRadio, I Abnormal's reality talk radio
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show. Up. We just wantto say, you know what, life
can kick you man, and thelife can knock it down, and it
could do a lot of things thatcan leave a lot of scars. But
no matter what, always make sureyou get back up. And no matter
what, no matter what kind ofturmoil that's going on in your life,
make sure you always keep very goodperspective on the things that are most important,
the things that are right there infront of you. The sold ladies
and gentlemen on behalf of us.Happy, thanksgivemn We love you all,
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We appreciate you all. Enough ofthe mushy wushy ron. If you're in
front of me, I'll give youa little hall great now, but you're
not. This is going to bea fantastic show. Guys. We've been
talking about this for weeks and monthsand it's finally here. We are very
very honored to have the cast ofDestination Fear with us tonight. Let me
read this brief intro. Destination Fearis a paranormal documentary featuring Dakota Leyden and
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his team of paranormal enthusiasts, includinghis sister Chelsea Leyden, and friends Tanner
Wiseman and Alex Schrader. The teamtakes to the road in an RV,
visiting a number of reportedly haunted andparanormal hotspots across the United States, testing
the limits of human fear. Andif you haven't watched these shows, then
you really don't know what fear is. Because these guys actually separate into their
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own places and sleep by themselves inthese mmmmm scary ass places. Let's just
go there. You know I watchedthem I tremble. I just don't think
I could do it. I mean, we've been we've been chasing ghosts for
years, and I just don't thinkI could do it. Uh, you're
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ready, Let's go. Please welcomethe cast of Destination Fear. Hi guys,
how are y'all? Good? HappyThanksgiving? Happy Thanksgiving? And Happy
Thanksgiving? Alex Tanner Chelsea All frommy native area of up North and the
frozen tundra of Minnesota. And youknow what, we all wised up a
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little bit, folks. You know, we went to where it's a lot
more sunnier and a lot warm warmer, because you know, we had to,
you know, um Man, I'lltell you something. I know you
guys are busy. This is ahuge time for you guys. We're going
into season four of Destination Fear andI'm gonna I want to say this and
then I'm gonna get the forty guyshere. I've been involved in this.
I actually started following you guys wayback when you guys did this three part
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documentary when you guys went to AnneWilder's house and it's weird, you know,
all the way well, because Iknow Annie really well, and I
investigated the house. And so whenyou guys investigated it, I mean it
was phenomenal. I and then thespoof reels that you guys used to do.
I loved it. Man. Um, you know here, this this
is how twisted. Yeah, this, this is how twisted it is.
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Is that when somebody comes up andtells us that some ghost rams a tongue
in their ear, the first thingwe say is, man, quick,
come over. I know, quecome over and check this out. I
want to come over. Um.But it's it's it's been this pleasure of
watching you because I've always had thisfrustration in this field of it becoming more
of a game and a joke andmore about T shirts and and then it
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is about the actual experience and thepsychology behind the experiences. And and you
guys brought a whole different perspective.You have brought a whole different realm.
And I'm speaking from experiences. I'llgo to places like the Hillhouse, I'll
look upstairs and I'll be like,I'm not going I'm not going up there
myself. I will go up there. He threatened to go there. He
told everybody, all of our listenersand viewers, that he was going to
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go up there by himself. Hegot to the bottom of the staircase and
went, nope, I'm out.So tell me what, man, I
you know, I know, myand I I've accumulated the fear over the
years, just because we learn thatthis is real, and then we learned
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that we're up against things that wereally don't know what we're up against.
But you guys have put yourself insome serious stuff. Like Chelsea, I
remember in season one, I can'tI think it was episode nine when you
heard the woman's voice in the hallway. Gosh, yes, yeah, I
died four times watching that. II felt that, man, you bring
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us through, that bring us throughthese experiences. So I mean when you
go to these look you never knowwhat to expect. You. You know,
before each location, we read apacket and on that packet consists of
the history of the location and alsoincludes some of the stories that other people
have experienced. So every time wego to a location, we know,
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you know the history and what peopleexperience, but we are going in there
kind of clean slate. We don'twe have no experiences, and you don't
really know what to prepare for.It's not like you know, what's going
to happen. So there's the audiblethat you can experience, there's the physical,
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there's the visual, and you justdon't know what that night's gonna bring.
And I think when it comes tothat episode you're talking about, it
was so palpable because it was sohuman. And you can hear things all
the time and you can discount it. You can say, Okay, that
might have been an animal, thatmight have been you know, the building
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shifting, but when you hear anactual human voice, especially when it was
a female voice, and I'm theonly female on the team, So I
just think when it comes to thatmoment, I didn't My reaction to fear
was simply just like I couldn't evenmove and it just was too scary.
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And that was actually like my breakingpoint. I think when when tears are
shed, it takes a lot toget there. But I was rocked that
night. I remember Rocky. Rockytexted me and said, here, you
got to watch this. He said, go to this point here, and
I'm like, hell no, I'mgonna watch the whole thing. So I
got to that point and when youpanicked, I panicked because you could hear
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the voice and if I'm not mistaken, this is the one where the guys
come running at you or come runningto you. Yeah it was. It
was freaky weird. But that's notthe only time you guys experience that,
right, Oh yeah, We've hada lot of experiences that we look at
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each other and we go like,like what Chelsea was saying before is just
like there's a lot of times whereyou can go like, Okay, maybe
the door moved because some of thewindows are broken down, there's wind displacement,
or there might be something that canbe a little bit explainable. But
like when you have stuff like whatChelsea experienced or what we happened at what
happened at Sweet Spring Sanatorium, likethere's things there that we all look at
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each other and we go, whatwas that, How did that happen?
What what could have caused that?And when you have no answer to that,
that's when we all start freaking out. And it's it is a human
emotion to get scared at those pointsbecause you can't explain it, and those
unexplainable things or make people very uncomfortable. And I think that's where we get
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ourselves into and like we try toexperience sience that for other people that don't
have the availability to go to theselocations that have always wanted to because I
mean, we've been fans of likethe paranormal and paranormal shows, and we've
always go, oh, man,if we ever got to Waverley, we
ever went to valist Acts murder House, my goodness, Oh I just walk
right up there and I'll be perfectlyfine. But then we actually get the
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opportunity to do that, like thestory that you guys are sharing with Rocky,
you get to that point and yougo, ah, no, thanks,
I'm not I don't want to doI want to do that anymore.
Yeah, And that's okay to havethat. You know, that's probably more
normal, right, I've had that. I seem they had that feeling a
lot more because I had a physicalexperience for this energy and with a couple
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of my buddies, and one ofthem as an archaeologist who has a Dick
site in Egypt, so he's veryintellectual but very spiritually open, and we
all had this experience. It traumatizedme. It literally changed me on everything
I do in my entire approach andmy biggest thing I really want to give
you guys kudos for is the frustrationof not being able to sell the emotional
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part. And so when you watchthese shows, it's like I can empathize
with a lot of what you guysare going through. And I know we
have a lot of people that arearmchair like quarterbacks, you know, and
they watch some of this stuff.I would straight up, just like we
said something in the Hillhouse, atiny little house in mineral wells. You
know, I want to go upstairsby myself. You guys are going in
some of these places that are proventime and time and time again they have
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mass stream activity. Yeah, byyourself, with like nobody to protect you
at all. And people don't understandwhat it takes just to get to a
location where you're supposed to sleep,let alone, be there by yourself.
So what does it take in yourminds to be able to get through these
situations when you are truly alone?Honestly, Yeah, there's really no preparation
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that works, at least that I'vefound. I find myself even months before
we go out on the road,laying in bed going oh my god,
and weeks I'm gonna have to bedoing this by myself in a haunted location
like, it never gets easier.It really doesn't. And the thing that's
even worse about season four is Dakotahad this bright idea, well dark idea,
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I guess, to take away ourflashlights. That is the one little
bit of security that we have,yeah, at these locations, and he
goes, anytime we're alone, ifyou're doing a solo walkthrough, if you're
sleeping alone, we're not going tohave any flashlights. I'm throwing all of
you guys into the complete darkness.And that that's something that we didn't even
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know of before we were actually atthe first location, and so there there's
absolutely nothing that sounds exciting about havingno flashlights in all. The only thing
you get then is what the infraredin your camera lens, and that is
freaky in and of itself. Rockyout have been on the Alex. I
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don't know how you do it,dude, because you you you operate the
camera and you're you know, partakingin everything else. How do you keep
your mind focused on what you've gotto do when things are you know,
flying off the shelf, so tospeak. That is some question to ask,
it is, isn't it? Honestly? Sometimes my mind just goes blank
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for a second, and I thinkabout just getting the shot. I mean,
the best example is season one,episode seven, when we were at
Oh God, I forget the nameof Fairfield Fairfield County Infirmary, and we're
doing solo walkthroughs and I went inby myself and at the end of the
hallway a jail cell door. Theone jail cell started to slowly open in
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front of me, and in mymind, my mind was racing. I
wanted to run out of there immediately, but something in my head told me
to get this on camera, otherwiseno one's gonna believe you. So,
like you see in the footage,I'm like freaking out. And then I
stopped really quick and just stand thereand then I run out of the building.
Oh yeah. I don't understand it. I don't know how my brain
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worked that way, like where Iwas just like, all right, I
gotta get this on camera otherwise everyone'sgonna think I'm a lunatic. It was
so funny because we're all standing thereand we look at the footage and everything,
and we just go why didn't yourun? Why don't you leave?
And he just goes, I needto get the shot. I needed to
prove that I'm not crazy. Thatis a good cameraman for you right there.
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Exactly definitely focus on well Chelsea.You know, they put you in
a couple of situations too, youknow, and you know, I kind
of had to yell around last weekbecause we were actually having a little breakdown.
We're talking about you guys coming onthe program, know who we thought
was the bravest and who we thoughtwas the least bravest out of the four
you know, um, do youguys maybe have a guess who we think
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is the bravest out of the fourof you. I'm guessing Chelsea. Usually
whatever is Chelsea's the bravest, weget it. We look like wins,
you know, wereing of the fourout of you? No, no,
no, not at all. ButI was trying to actually understand the psychology
behind that, because you know,why is it? Is it because do
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we expect men to be braver?Or because I don't know, I come
from an old school of Italian familyand I'm afraid of every woman in my
family. And also if there's likea dune in my basement, I'm sending
Gramma Stucci. That's who I'm sendingI ain't sending Grandpa. I'm sending Grandma.
You know. So it's it's it'sbut but that's the challenging part,
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right. I remember, like sometimesyou look at the cold and I get
that look from a sister. Youknow, it's kind of like, okay,
when this camera shuts off, we'rehaving a little conversation of you know,
when you get into locations where there'sthings that happen to women, to
put yourself there by yourself, youknow, And I know how you gentlemen
already are protecting Chelsea, and Iadmire the hell out of that, putting
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yourself in situations where there could besome more dangerous goals that could do more
violating thing towards women. To dothat, it's a very crazeous thing to
do, and to do it forthe sake of you know, evidential paranormal
try to get to the truth andthen fight your fears at the same time.
What does it take for you tobe able to walk down these hallways
of these crazy asylums and prisons byyourself where bad things happen to women.
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What does it take? It's areally good question. I think it's changed
and evolved over the past four seasons. The first season, I genuinely needed
the guys to cut me up,like I seriously can confidently say that I
couldn't do it without them, andI almost quit on episode one season one.
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So I think the first season ittook friendship and trust in each other,
and by season four I still hadthat. But now I'm thinking through
the lens of our fans. Yeah, what do the fans want me to
do? Do I want to walkthrough this tunnel by myself? Heck no,
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absolutely not. Do. I thinkthe fans would have a way better
experience if I just buck up anddo it. Yes, So I think
the fans actually weirdly encourage me withouteven being there, just through that lens
because I want to make I wantto make it the best I can,
and usually that means I have todo something I'm really not super comfortable with.
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Right well, Facing the Fear isI mean, that's how you guys
got started with Facing the Fear.And I want to play this here in
just a second so we can talkabout it. But the Trail of Terror
documentary, I've got the I've gota lock a one minute trailer that I
want to show everybody just to kindof give them an idea of what you
guys have been through. So standbyjust second, let's let's watch this.
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I know nothing about these locations.I just know that we're driving east total
to terror. It is a documentary, but it also is a challenge.
It's a total experiment. I thinkif you're gonna capture real fear on camera,
this is the way to do it. We're gonna be a huge scary
place to sleeping in separate rooms,super far apart. I've always liked fear.
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I love the idea of fear.Fear is cool. My god,
this is a bad idea. It'sjust really scary. That's wrong. Oh
my god, I can't move.I'm so scared. Okay, that they
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picked they had to have picked thebest parts of all of that, because
that freaked me out just watching it. Is that is? That is that
What got you guys started in thiswas just going out as a team and
doing the ghost hunting and stuff likethat. Or did Dakoda talk you guys
all into this and go I'll payyou lots of money to do it.
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No, definitely got the ladder.So Actually, yeah, as as kids
like um, on weekends, wewould love to like google, like what
is an abandoned location? What isa scary haunted story and a place that
we could go to? And allof us we would drive up to these
places and I mean we went allover Minnesota. We started going to both
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of the Dakotas, Wisconsin and Iowa. I mean it was one of our
things that we'd just love to do. We love chasing them a journal and
rush of being absolutely nervous and scared, and so like years went down the
road and we're not in high schoolanymore. We me and Chelsea, we've
graduated from college. And Dakota goes, hey, you know, I got
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this idea of filming this documentary aboutus going to these scary buildings like we
used to do as kids. AndI go, awesome, man, like
that that sounds great. Where arewe going? Like what places? And
he goes, oh, yeah,no, no, I can't tell you
that part. That's that's the partwhere I'm like, no one's gonna know
where we're going. I go,okay, so then what are we doing?
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Well, We're gonna go in there, We're gonna explore for the entire
night, sleep there, and thenat the end of the night, we're
gonna draw out of a hat andsleep alone. I go, dude,
we haven't stayed in one of thesebuildings longer than two hours. What makes
you think you're gonna do a wholeentire overnight, let alone, sleep alone?
And he goes, it could begreat. It's great content. Now
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he sounds like Rocky, Oh,it's gonna be gay. Yeah, so
you're lucky. You got the fullstory. You got the full story right
off the bat. I did notget the full story. I was no,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Iwas told that we were doing what
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we did when we grew up,and that was exploring together, and that
was basically urban exploring where we allget scared, basically run out of there,
and that was it. Dakota didn'ttell me the real, true,
like what we were really doing onthis show until like a week before we
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laughed. That's a pretty big detail. I'm just saying, you know,
it's kind of a big detail,like when you gotta go to a basement
or in a death chamber of aprison and be there by yourself for four
hours. I'm probably gonna want toknow that and probably gonna want something writing,
you know, I'm just saying.I started to say, though,
it might have been better for meto not know it until the time came
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to do it, right, Look, hey, oh check this out,
all right. I gotta tell youguys this, you know, and I'm
sorry I'm diverting a little bit,but you know, when we went up
to the whole house to investigate,I gotta tell you, guys, this
was Ryan's first investigation. This ishow prepared he was to do. Brought
extra underwearing pants just in case hecrapped himself. I'm not even that's truth.
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You did bring a change of clothes, did you not? Because we
were going to stay to night.I didn't know. I was going to
be scared crap list to go inthere and change clothes. I no,
I didn't tell you. I don'tknow. And I and I get that
you guys have a crew, youknow of people that are there, but
they don't go into these places withyou, am I right? We get
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Yeah, we're completely dropped off.So like our r V, like our
producer that's on the show, thecameraman, like you'll see those shots when
we walk in these buildings from faraway of us walking that building and then
once we actually get in there,because Dakota is our executive producer of our
show, he's now our on siteproducer. So then everyone else leaves and
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goes and we are quite literally stuckthere by ourselves for the entire night.
Now, they do they monitor youguys from afar in case you need something.
One one person stays up for thenight, but they're like at their
hotel. Yeah, it's not likethey're they're anywhere near est, not messing
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around or anything. They're they're gone, and it's literally just a probably yeah
yeah, I mean hopefully, mygoodness, I mean it's a long time.
Well, I'll tell you from froma from a you know, from
a producing standpoint, from a productionstandpoint, you guys are better than the
best as far as I'm concerned.For what, you know, the footage
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that you shoot, the way everythingdone. So kudos to you guys for
that because these guys used to puttogether. You go watch some of the
stuff these guys did. I don'teven know how old you guys were.
You know, when you guys aredoing like the Ghost Adventures spoofs and you
guys are going to Annie Wilder's housein that school in Iowa, but you
guys are obviously a lot younger.But I mean this is like when I
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produce a radio show, I haveeverything in front of me. You can
put a blindfold on and I canhit every button when I need to hit
it because of second nature. Nodifferent than you guys walking in with cameras.
It's what you guys have been doingsince you guys have been kids,
you know. So it's just likeit's all everything's perfect, you know,
right, And I gotta attribute thatto you know, all of us.
I mean, we've been doing thesevideos since we were like what you said,
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we were kids. I mean whenwe did Ghostboys, I think we
were sixteen years old because I wasthe one driving. And then from there,
I mean even before that, Imean we did YouTube videos. Every
single Tuesday, we'd come out withthe new YouTube video. And we've been
doing that since we were like earlyhigh school. So we were grinding,
grinding on our filmmaking skills. Dakotahas been grinding on its editing skills and
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like everyone has been just it reallyis a huge compliment to us because we
are there by ourselves, We arethe only ones filming, and the fact
that you guys can see that weare conscious enough to make to have good
shots, to have good b rollto to. We don't cut away and
do a voiceover at all. We'reall we're storytelling in the moment. So
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that the fact that you guys actuallysee that's a huge compliment to us because
we've been you know, lack ofbetter turn busting our butts to like actually
do that and showcase that. Sothank you guys. Well look, you
guys, you guys are professionals atit. There's no question. And in
season four starts the twenty fifth thisFriday, U what is it, nine
pm Eastern a PM Central. Nailedit? Just look yeah, yeah,
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and then Discovery Plus Yeah that's wherealways catching Well, congratulations on four seasons
the way, thank you. That'sa big deal too. I want to
ask you to one of you guys. This is a little bit deeper,
just because you know, I believeand evolution of what we do. If
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we truly are into what we do, we love what we do and the
experiences and we're absorbing them, therethere has to be some kind of evolution
I know I have, whether itbe in my relationship with God through this
process, or whether it be havingsome very traumatic experiences that made me kind
of step back. I gained newfears, I lost some fears. I
healed physical things, really weird experiencesfrom the paranormal. But there was an
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evolution process. You know, whatI thought five years ago was different than
when I think now. When Ithought ten years ago, it was way
different than when I think now.And trying to understand the world, it's
it's it's broadened and I got morequestions. But I evolved to become a
better person from these experiences. Now, you guys are going into season four,
so that means you have three seasonsjust from that just Nation Fear TV
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show of locations you've been to,not including all the other locations you've been
to off theear. This has beena lifelong journey for you, in one
form or the other. Explain tome ways that you evolved. I'm sure
you've had traumatic experiences with paranormal don'tknow if you've ever been followed home,
don't know if any of that hasever come home with you. But I
want to hear about how it's changedyour life for the good or for the
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bad. I mean, I canstart just you know, I have you
know, two different worlds. Ihave two different lives. I'm obviously on
the TV show, and then myother world is I'm an autometrist, so
I have a full time job outsideof the show. And one of the
things that really I would say transformedme as a person is just overcoming certain
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fears, not even like the fearof the unknown, the fear of paranormal
but being able to face things thatscare me and know that there are actually
things that I can overcome that Inever thought that I could before. So
just this show alone, if youtold me ten years ago that I'd be
doing this, I would say youare. I would actually put a lot
of money on the fact that Iwould not be doing this because it was
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just something I actually thought I couldn'tdo. And so now I look at
like life a little differently. IfI'm actually scared of something, I think
that fear actually ignites something in methat's kind of like a challenge now and
I'm like, Okay, am Iphysically in danger? Maybe is it?
Is it worth it? And thenyou know, I feel like I was
able to overcome a lot of things, you know, outside of the show.
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Too Soppy book, Chelsea you're kindof fearless as it is, right,
aren't you. Aren't you a hockeyplayer too? I mean, that's
so funny you say that. Yes, I played professional hockey. I've played
Division one hockey, and you know, everyone always thought of me as this
kind of tough chick and the paranormalkind of broke me. You know.
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I was like, oh, she'snot so tough. But um, it
allowed me to grow in other areas. So yeah, you don't feel bad.
Don't feel bad. We we're partof this celebrity softball game every year,
so we get to hang out withsome really cool athletes starting here and
I have not found one of them, not yet to come along with us
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to talk a lot of shit.Man, go with us. They pass,
you know, and they're like doit. It's like, man,
you're four hundred pounds. You know, you're kind of thinking. You wear
these freaking pads and you go breakguys with bones for a living, and
you can't come to this little hornand house with me for five minutes.
Man, damn? Oh all right, um, Alex, how about you
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brother? Because you don't you comingin you know, you came in from
the production side and then you youreally came involved to man, And I
was actually going to bring up thattime when that that that jail cell door
opened because that thing weighed a ton, and I was actually gonna take my
head off, man, because you'reright, a lot of people would free
code instead of getting the footage.And this footage is everything. Why we
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do what we do. Without thatfootage, everything's just a story. Right?
What about your evolution process through this, man? Is it you always
I've been a journey. Has itbeen fun? Has it been disastrous?
You know? The paranormal can doweird things in your life, you know.
I mean, like we've said,we've we've kind of done this our
whole lives, going into abandoned,haunted places. So just from the beginning,
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like I recall so many times whereI'll walk in and be like,
all right, I'm out after twominutes. I'm going to go wait in
the car. You guys go havefun. That's enough for me, or
just you know, not even makingit past the first room in the building.
Like so just the evolution of it, being able to now walk through
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a building on my own and spendingnight there by myself. I never would
have thought that I could do somethinglike that, and I have to agree
with Chelsea. It kind of pushesthrough to other aspects of life where you
think I did this. I pushedthrough that even though I was completely terrified.
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I didn't think I could do it, but I did it. So
maybe now I can push through thisadversity and conquer it and get through it
in every aspect of life, youknow, brother, That's that is.
That's it right there. We're startinga new shoal and we are interviewing people
that have gone through this adversity.And you said it right there, is
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that we live a life where wecreate limits. And whether it be in
the physical realm or else dealing withthe spiritual realm, can I make it
through that room? Can I makeit to the basement. One time I
went to the Valisa X murderhouse withfive women and they're like, hey,
Stucci going up and put this cameraup in the attic. I made it
all the way to the door.I never I never went in. I
never went in the attic, youknow. I mean, I just didn't
want to go in there. Itkind of freaked me out. But it's
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it's that creating limits, whether itbe as an athlete, we create them
or we don't. In real lifewe create them or we don't or in
paranormal That is a huge lesson thatwe can distribute to people that we learned
through this process dealing with life afterdeath, is that we can become a
better person. You know what I'msaying, super true, that's true.
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How do you guys? I mean, there are people out there who fear,
you know, the potential of fearjust it terrifies them, it paralyzes
them. Did you guys experience anyof that growing up where you were paralyzed
by fear? Do you still experienceit? Because you could, Like Rocky
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said earlier, you can take thebiggest, baddest, you know, defensive
lineman and tell them you want totake them on a ghost hunt, and
they will. They will freak outand it's funny to watch. But then
there are people who have mastered theirfear, who know how to handle the
situation. And I guess until you'reput in that position, you don't really
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know what you're gonna do. Howdid each of you, you know,
handle that when you first started,man, I mean season one, like
when we went to Sweet Springs Sanatorium, you know, Tayner and Chelsea were
hearing voices in the basement when theywere sleeping alone down there. They were
separated by a huge, long hallway, so they weren't near each other,
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but they heard the same thing andthey called me, Da Code, Yeah,
meand Coda down to the basement.So we're all in the same area
and we hear this yell, thisjust painful scream. And so to say
that fear paralyzes you, my kneesbuckled and I dropped to the ground,
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Like I like literally just dropped tothe floor, didn't I don't even know
if I yelled, if I screamed, Like everything in my world just stopped
and I collapse to the ground.So like, this stuff still will paralyze
me. Like the fear definitely willdo that to you, but it's kind
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of a humbling experience in a way, Like I don't know, Like once
you go through something like that andthen another occurrence happens, you get a
little bit better at managing your fear, at least in your brain of kind
of pushing through that and being ableto come out on the other side.
But man if I didn't have ChelseaTanner and Dakota there, there's no way
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I could do this. Like,we all help each other out in so
many different ways. I think that'sreally important when it comes to fear,
is to have people that you trustand care about and you know care about
you as well with you to gothrough these experiences, because if we didn't
have each other, I don't thinkany one of us would be able to
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make it through night alone. Thatmakes sense, Tanner. Have you ever
had a situation that scared you sobad that you really had to lean on
the other three to talk it out? Oh? I mean it's like almost
every single night when we do thesethings. I mean, there's so many
times where you go into these buildingsand it takes just one thing that you
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can't explain that just completely takes overyour thought process. You can't get it
out of your head of like thatone thing. And every single time we
jump on the RV and we getback on the road, like we joke
around. We talk like we tryto like explain like what I was feeling,
what I experienced, and then afterthat it's just like all right,
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let's put this this location behind us, Let's start joking around a little bit.
I mean, even in season fouron our second episode. Like this
isn't a big spoiler, but likethere's a there's a point in time where
I get so scared that I did. I just flat out leave and I
go outside and I wait for theteam to come all come out of their
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sleeping arrangements and come get me becauseI just was not comfortable in that situation.
And like that's the thing I thinkpeople really need to realize, is
that like it's okay to be afraid. It is okay to have fear.
That is a human emotion, andit's perfectly fine when you feel uncomfortable to
just get out of that space.Like you know, we always say,
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like it is nice to try toget you know, be comfortable being uncomfortable,
but there is a limit to that, Like you shouldn't push yourself too
far. And I mean, likelike echoing what Alex said is like if
we didn't have our group together,I don't think any of us would be
able to do any of this becauseit's such a draining thing spiritually, emotionally,
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physically that you really need to leanon everybody just to get through it.
Because we're doing this whole road tripin a month. Have like if
we didn't have the support of everyonegiving high fives saying nice job, way
to go, away to go.And I know, I know that's stuck
a good job, but we justwe couldn't do it. And I think
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that really translates on screen and whyour show is doing well it is because
this is a friendship that we dohave. Yeah, you know, I'm
a lot channel. I'm a lotlike you when it comes to once I
reach like a certain a certain thresholdof like where my body feels the fear
or I feel like I'm being pushedback into a corner. Um, Do
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you have that trigger switch to whereyou go from being super scared too.
I'm looking for somebody now and I'mgonna have a conversation with you, you
know, come up. See youknow what I'm saying exactly, dude,
I feel that, man, becausethat's the more what I get to.
That's my defensive You just unleashed amonster, you know what I'm saying,
Um, And that's kind of howyou survive. And I want to be
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honest about something. You know thatone that one time, I think it
was in season three where they lockedyou in that room and kind of used
the big dresser to hold the darkclothes, right, you know, that
was kind of messed up. ButI'm just saying, oh, you know,
I don't know. Yeah, itjust was talking about who we're all
friends. I might take some ofthat back. Now you're reminding me,
man, that's taking a little pointwilds. You get to a point where,
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yeah, you get to some pointswhere you like, I mean,
I've had multiple times where me andAlex are just yelling down the halls because
we're so scared. We just tryingto match you up and try to like
break through that. But then yeah, there's sometimes where it just breaks you
down, and that's that you can'tcan't do anything about it. That's that
struggle between the psychological warfare and isactually a really a paranormal event, you
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know, because they start getting thatmixed with the fear and everything else involved.
You know, Oh totally. Now, you know, I'm curious to
know because Rocky enough talked about thisa little bit, and Chelsea you mentioned
earlier the auditory aspect of things andhearing and seeing, you know, apparitions
or what have you have any ofthe three or four of you ever been
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physically attacked or touched so it's weirdto say that because I hadn't up till
this season, and as far asI know, like obviously you can have
like a muscle spasm and think something, but this was like different. It
was at the Winchester Mystery House,and that it's an awesome location, by
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the way, if you ever hadthe opportunity to go, it's such a
fascinating spot. But I was sitting, we were all separated, and I
was sitting on a chair in SarahWinchester's room and I felt like something touched
my shoulder and I verbalized it setit to the camera and the closer I
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like. I replayed that multiple timesand it actually it almost looks like something
moved my hair. Oh, Iactually moved my hair. And I don't
know it could it could have justlike fallen or whatever. But it was
the first time I ever had aphysical interaction with what I feel was something
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paranormal. Well, but the factthat you thought you were being touched in
your hair, yeah, I feltlike it was on my shoulder, which
was so weird. So weird.I don't like. I don't like the
touch stuff. I don't like thephysical stuff. I don't you know.
I asked Ron one time. Isays, Dude, if you woke up
in the middle of the night andmaybe there's a ghost next you're doing some
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things, you know, would youstop it or would you just kind of
finish? You know? On gotmad at me and he didn't talk to
me for a week. It's justlike, you know, I don't know,
he didn't give me an answer.Oh, sometimes you have to think
through the answers before you give themto Rocket. Yeah, yeah, amazing.
You know, I get in troubleall the time on the show.
So um, I don't know Ronhow much time we have, but I
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want to make sure that we leteverybody know because tonight is Thanksgiving, folks.
Tomorrow night, Friday is the kickoffof season four of Destination Fear.
I cannot wait. I love thisprogram. I love these guys native from
my homeland of Minnesota. I'm surewe could talk hours of all, you
know, certain locations that we've allinvestigated. But give us the laydown,
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give us what is the mission?What is the direction of season four that's
going to be different than possibly seasonone, two, and three. Season
four is all about embracing the darkness. So we've said before Dakota takes away
our flashlights. And we have atheory that if you know, you show
fear, that more paranormal stuff ismore likely to happen, that it feeds
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on that or it's activated on that. And so we have said for years
now that our flashlight is like oursecurity blanket. It's our one thing that
would be comfort all by ourselves forgoing back and forth of this light.
And you know, you can tryto make sense of things now that you
have a light on. But nowthis whole season we have zero flashlight by
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ourselves, and it is the Iwill say it is the most difficult season
we've ever done, because we,like we were saying, before you get
frozen, you you hear something,and now you really don't want to walk
down that hallway that much anymore.There's things that happened that you try to
like debunk or try to like justget a sense of it, and you
(40:30):
just can't see. In my mind, Tanner, my mind goes to I'm
in a dark hallway. I haveto number one, remember how I got
down this hallway in the dark,and number two, how to get out
of the hallway in the dark.And if I touch something going back down
that hallway. My body's going torelease a lot of things. I just
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I don't know how you do it. How Wow, it was definitely difficult,
that's the least I mean there's Imean, everyone could talk about it.
Everyone has had we call it aflashlight moment because we wish we had
our flashlight. In fact, weuh, we definitely missed it this season.
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But there's little even during the daywith all the light on and extra
lighting on, and I could havelike my invisible force shield on. I'm
still nervous to walk into certain locations, So no flashlight thing. It's like,
I don't know, Dakota, Idon't know if you not gonna be
friends anymore, you know, gettinga little out of control, you know
what I mean? Um, Iwas gonna ask you. I forgot what
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I was gonna ask you, guys. Um, it'll come to me the
second we end this program. Um, what did it have to do with
it to a season four? Seasonthree? I can't freaking remember. Um.
Oh yeah, here's a question.Now, you guys did do some
overseas locations. We're setting up aplan right now. We're gonna be going
to Egypt and my buddy who's thearchaeologist, is going to get us the
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four of the most haunted locations inEgypt. But you guys been to I
think wasn't Ireland? Isn't where youwent to? Yeah, what's the difference
in hauntings when you're in an older, historically richer country compared to something like
right here in the United States.Man, it it's really tough to pinpoint
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what exactly is haunting the location becauseof the hundreds sometimes thousands of years of
history behind it. I mean,we went to a place called Spike Island,
which was a massive prison at somepoint. It was a hospital,
right like, it was a hospital. It was like a refugee like kind
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of camp for people during the famine. It was a fort at one yeah,
a military fort. Like all thesedifferent layers of history throughout is hundreds
and hundreds of years in existence.And you can feel that energy when you're
there. You feel all the differentlayers and it's it's kind of indescribable really,
(43:06):
Like I mean, maybe you guyscan describe it a little bit better
than I can. I Mean,you get like a knock or you get
a voice, you have something tohappen and you go like, I don't
know if this is coming from thehospital time, I don't know if this
is the fourth time. Is thisa refugee here? Like it's so much
more difficult because there's so much historywith that. I mean, we even
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went to Loftis Hall and it wasthe first time that we've ever dealt with
a legend. And this is becauseit was so old and the history and
the story was so old that youknow, every I mean, no one
knew like what actually happened here,but everyone knows what happened here, and
so it's just one of those yeah, yeah, we're dealing with folklore.
(43:52):
It was just and it's one ofthose things where like when you go to
places in the United States and likesome thing has happened in the last like
hundred two hundred years, and youcan you can you walk into that certain
room that's supposed to be super hauntedand you can feel it in that room.
You maybe walk on the hallway andit's not so scary. But with
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these places, there's so much timeand so much history going in these places
that it's every step you're taking youfeel something is going on or something has
happened in this particular spot is itwas the most wild thing of all time.
The funny part about that is peoplein Ireland really wanted to come to
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locations in America, and because youwant what you can't have and you want
what's like less tangible for you.So like people were asking us all about
our big locations and so it wasit was interesting to kind of hear what
they what they're interested in seeing,and a lot of them had to do
with our country. Unfortunately, Americajust doesn't have the history that these places.
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You know, I don't know,I'm sorry. I was just saying.
Once, you know, we dohave like a good historic building,
and we get to a certain point, it gets renovated, it gets repurposed,
it gets torn down. It's likewe aren't the best of preserving history
here. That's a fact. Thatis a fact. I don't know if
(45:20):
my camera frolls are not my myscreen frols over here? But what is
you look good? Look? Oham, I am I still going you
know? Can you still see me? Okay? You know the picture still
looks good. I'll tell you thatyou look good. You're frozen Tanner.
I'm gonna tell you something, Butyou look good. To me. You
know, I'm just gonna tell youright now, my guy. All right,
(45:40):
So, so my bucket list location, as a matter of fact,
I'm talking with them right now.I want to go to the Goldfield Hotel.
What is your guys' bucket list locationthat you want to go investigate anywhere
on the planet and you are onthe planet. Oh my gosh, I
would have to be the castles,just castles in the UK. I would
(46:00):
love to do that mine, simple, simple and sweet. How about you,
guys? My my one of mylast bucket list locations for here in
the States would be Alcatraze. Thatis such a cool prison, so much
(46:21):
history to it, uh, somuch haunting claims to it. Like yeah,
that is that is the one locationleft in the States that I need
to see at some point in mylife. And I really want to go
to Dracula's Castle in Romania. Iwant to go there so bad. It's
(46:42):
an itch I haven't been able toscratch. I mean, I've always loved,
you know, the Dracula movies.I've loved all that stuff. And
then just knowing that there was aperson that was that this book and this
character was based off of and hehas an actual castle that he did weird
inst up stuff to people inside there, there's a dungeon that was used for
(47:05):
what dungeons are supposed to be usedfor. And it's just like, I
just if I go there, Iwill be the most happy and scaredest person
in the world. Dude, thisguy went and he put the heads of
his enemies on sticks and he puthim in front of his castle just to
send a message. Yeah, dude, it's messed up. It's like it's
one of those things where it's likethose stories where you can read it.
(47:28):
You just read it on a pieceof paper and it gives you shivers.
Like that's when you know it's it'sa great location. It's a messed up
story, and it's like, ah, man, I want to go there
so bad. It's it's actually unreal. I did. I'll make a deal
with you right now. I'll gothere with you, and you gotta come
to Egypt. You gotta you gottacome to Egypt with me, and we're
gonna go investigate Kingtom. It getsa good deal, gets the tombs.
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Yeah, it's the tunes that I'mI'm looking forward. So, I mean,
you talk about the history there's someserious history in those right. Yeah,
there's there's actually a spot right bymy buddy's Dicksie Devil l Solsila is
actually where they got the main stonesfor the Pyramids, and it's one hundred
miles away, but there's a spotin the desert that not one Egyptian will
go to at night because of thehaunted activities. And wow, makes me
(48:22):
super hungry, bro, I literallycannot get there quick enough. Josh,
gas, aren't there a couple oftimes? I know that? So,
but yeah, it's it's it's awhole different type of world. You know.
You go to European countries and thehauntings, you talk about the Hauntings
area. Then you know the NorthAmerica and you know just the Americas,
and then you go out to likethe Middle East and Asian countries and everything's
(48:43):
looked at and viewed and experienced differentlythan what it is here. And it's
just like I want some of that, you know, I just wanted just
a little touch of it. That'sit. That's gonna be so awesome.
Oh my gosh, I'm jealous.I'm jealousy around how much time do we
have? Like we got about twominutes. Are you gonna read net?
No, I'm not going to reconnecteverybody. No, we're good. I
(49:04):
just want to make sure every guyslet us know we're not. We have
the kickoff of season four. What'scoming up? What's coming up for Destination
Fear? You guys have any projectsgoing right now or what's going on with
all you? So? Yeah,Season four Destination Fear November twenty fifth,
Discovery Plus and the Travel Channel.We have worked our butts off for this
(49:28):
season. It's an eight episode season. It's definitely I know we say it
every year that it's our best,but we definitely topped ourselves by far this
time. I mean every single episodeis like just it just gets better and
better and better. I feel like, and yeah, we're just really excited
for it, Like we we've beensitting on it for so long. We've
(49:51):
all seen the cuts, we knowexactly what happens, and the fact that
we haven't been able to even shareabout it. I mean, this has
been one of the best weeks ofour lives because we finally get to talk
to people about what we finally didjust at the beginning of a year.
Yeah, we start off, wekick it off with Crescent Sanatarium, and
that is pretty intense because we actuallyend up going back to back, so
(50:14):
so episode one and two is atthe same location. We've never done anything
like that before. Usually when wehit a location, we're done, it's
over, we're onto the next.But this location is absolutely massive, so
it definitely did take two days forus to be able to Really we could
probably do more more episodes there,it was so big. But if you
(50:37):
do it back to back, yeah, if you do back to back episode,
you know there are some things goingon, you know, yes,
how well we are. They areall absolutely looking forward to it. Guys,
thank you so much for taking thetime to visit with us. We
know that things are busy for youright now on the interview circuit, but
when this thing fires off on Fridaynight, we'll be there in front of
(50:58):
the TV watching with everybody else becauseyou know, you guys are the best
of the best, and that's theways we see it. Thank you guys
having us on here today. Thisis awesome. Not to worry, Honestly,
no, I'm absolutely grateful, gratefulfor everything to do, all that
you represent and bringing integrity back intothe paranormal field. I think that's the
best. Hey, hey, lookit's back. You know, don't worry
(51:22):
about it. You know, Iknow people, they took care of me.
I know it's okay, you know. But Destination Field it's gonna be
tomorrow night, November twenty fifth.To look him up on the Travel Channel
and Travel Channel plus. That's right, catch them man, Alex Chelsea Tanner.
I love you, guys. Iappreciate you for us. Please,
(51:44):
we're sorry. We miss God.Ladies and gentlemen. Happy Thanksgiving each and
every one of you on behalf ofmyself round Phillips. I am rocky.
Students, you, ladies and gentlemen. Until next week. May God bless
you, May God bless America.See you guys. Take care of guys.
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