Ep 21623: Abnormal Realities

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Episode Transcript

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Journey into the matrix of the mind. Stretch your imagination and challenge reality.
Abnormal realities are beacons for the imagination. What society deems abnormal maybe more real
than we think. This is abnormalRealities. With your hosts, Ron Phillips
and Rocky Stucci, is it reallyillegal to bring cats into Mexico? I

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have no idea. I doubt it. I doubt it, doubt it.
I mean, don't they have likea critter problem at all? Okay,
all right, sorry, I'm workingon it. Marking with the gas.
I got this false Welcome to theprogram, emotional meet Paul here, Rocky
Stucci, and we have my brotherat arms, mister Ron Phillips. What
you're seeing right now, this isa different mode of Ron Phillips, folks.

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So if you're watching, this iswhat we call producer ron face.
Hey man, this is what happenswhen stuff doesn't go like it's supposed to.
I know, and I know howyou get. I remember when we
in South Carolina. Dude, youhad game face for like four hours until
that studio got set up. Idid, yeah, I was, yeah,
I was I was focused till yougo ahead. Let's bring brother Jeff

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in. We got a fund showfor you tonight. It is Thursday,
Thursday Thursday, folks, visit thewebsite Abnormal Realities dot com. Um,
dude, dudes, I said,dude to the audience. Oh professional,
was that? Wow? Dudes,I'm gonna take a sip my coffee.
I gotta tell you guys something.Oh yeah, He's got to tell you
something and it's serious. What isall the beeping going on? Um?

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That was? I think that wasover here? So um, I saw
a ghost animal in Ron studio today. That's what he keeps saying. That's
what he keeps saying. He saidhe called it out of the corner of
his eye. What does that mean? A ghost animal? Was it like
a raccoon? Bigfoot? It lookedmore like a like a demon dog.
I'm just saying, why would thatbe? I don't know. The first

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part was really unnecessary, but Ijust needed a reaction from Ron Phillips because
he's a producer mode and it's stressingme out. Dude. You know,
look, if this was you doingyour own show, yes, right now,
I'm super comfortable. Hey. Bythe way, Uh, Andrew Speck
is in the chat room. Ijust want to thank him. For his

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order. He is a huge supporterof my son's lures. Uh, you
guys go check it out. Wepublished a bunch more today wayfinder lures dot
com. Wayfinder lures dot Com.No, Um, I was sitting here
earlier, and UM, I'm notlying. I mean literally, I'm totally
serious. Did you guys ever feellike you've seen and I heard it?
And I believe it. Run,I'm not asking no questions. You're typing

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right now, so I'm just talkingwith everybody right here, please and right
there, thank you. Um.I've heard ton of stories and you guys
in the chat room, I wantto hear it. Ton of stories in
regards to like when you lose ananimal, a cat, a bird,
Um, no, not so mucha bird that was kind of dumb.
Don't know why I said that.Part a cat or a dog. U.

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You think you see it, youthink you feel it. I truly
believe that you do. Right,my parents, one time, I'm not
talking to you, Ron my parents. One time, I was gonna turn
to you and talk to you,but no, I don't want to even
look at you right now. I'mdoing dude, I'm not interrupting you,
all right, So um, theywere. They were laying in their bed.

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Don't look at me, You're gonnado your thing. They were.
They were laying on the bed andI'm sure um in folio pajamas. My
dad likes this Slanna pajamas. Andone time at the end of the bed,
my mom saw a black It wasa small dog, but still big
enough to be able to peek overthe bed. She didn't say anything at
first and literally bro literally like twoseconds later, my dad looks over at

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my mom and he goes, didyou just see that? Did you just
see that? So my dad sawit without even without even acknowledging my mom,
and vice versa. So they bothsaw it independently and then come affirmed
that they both saw it. Somy question to you is do you believe
because run just listen, you know. Look, they're people that are super

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staunch in the religious believes that theybelieve that animals don't have souls. But
the question is, though, Okay, so we think a dog will have
a soul because a dog souls loveand compassion. Horses have souls, cats
have souls? Do bugs have souls? Do spiders have souls? Because technically
their energy? So if you believein the reincarnation theory. The reincarnation theory

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means you cannot create nor destroy energy. It disconferns one from one form to
the other. Right, that istrue. No matter if it's a small,
tiny ant, it still possesses evenif it's minute energy. So when
that ant dies, like when Icatch that fire ant mount on fire,
there's a whole bunch of little antsgoing into light. Literally, yeah,
right, So do they reincarnate ordo they have souls? Because it's still

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a living mechanism. Isn't being livingbeing? But or do you believe that
you have to be able to possessa form of love and feel that emotion
of love to be able to havea soul? As their guidelines is there,
you know, as their lines inthe sand. I would have loved
to know what people think about that, because I've had that discussion with people

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several times whether or not animals havesouls, because this was the whole thing
about human beings. We possess onespecific trait as a mammal that other mammals
don't possess. What is that trait? Love? No, the ability to
blush? Did you know that Ilove you? Okay? I love you,

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man. Yeah. Stop. Yeah, So that's uh, that's that's
the thing. So I'd love toknow. So wait a minute, dude,
silverbacks can blush. I've seen it, have you? Dude, Michael
Jackson's chimpanzee blushed all all the time. Have you seen it? No,
but maybe you would think Michael jacksonchimpanzee would blush all the time, because

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you know, I'm not implementing nothingthat's right. But you know what I'm
saying, take a let's stop showingmy alien's ass. What you said it?
I didn't say it. Okay,we do have our guests ready whenever
we're oh, brother, bring him. He's got that look on his face,
like, what in the hill arey'all talking about? Hey, Jeff,

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can you hear us? Hey man, you know, Jeff, you
walked in at a perfect time.Serious question. We're gonna jump right into
this, dude, chimpanzees blush?Well, come on, Jeff, Come
on, Jeff, do you havetwo different commons right here? You know,
in order in order for a chimpanzeeto be able to blush, they

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would have to be able to feelsome sort of emotion that would cause them
to blush. Oh, they're prettystraight to the point. Yeah, and
they You're right, so they that'sreally actually a pretty profound You would have
been better off asking him a bigfootblushes. All right, all right,
let's let's go to the second partof this question, because now this is
serious, because this is something I'mpondered for a long time. When it

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comes to animal souls. I knowsome people, very staunch Catholics that believe
that animals do not have souls.Do you, sir, believe that animals
have souls? And I kind ofmentioned the reincarnation theory everything is energy,
even all the way down to anant. But let's keep this more to

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the animal part, right, Doyou, sir, believe that animals all
have souls? Or do some havesouls or none? You know, this
is a difficult question for a lotof people. I mean, being of
Native American the sense and having certainbeliefs that are rooted in that culture,

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believe that animals do possess a soulas we understand soul a spirit um.
I'm of the belief that God creatednothing that was not worthy of a soul
of a spirit um. It's hardto believe that something like a dog or

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a cat, or any animals thatyou've spent time with that shows you what
we perceive as love and affection couldnot have a soul. That's a fantastic
answer. That's really good. I'veworked with a lot of animals in my

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lifetime, everything from uh tigers andlines to chimpanzees, and I have found
that every every one of them,if given the opportunity and time spent with
them, all expressed a certain amountof care, love, what we perceive

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as love, and just something reallyuncanny. Even back when I was working
with tigers, I worked as ateenager. There was a guy that lived
in the town of Tannehall that hadbred big cats for Barnum and Bailey and
Wringling Brothers circuses, and I workedfor him taking care of those cats.

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And my job every day I tooka seven hundred and fifty pound male tiger
Bengal tiger to a pond to goswimming. And this tiger and I built
up such a bond that this tigerwould cry whenever it saw me. It
would it would actually cry out,and it would make noises, and when

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I was coming, it would getexcited, and when I would leave,
it would get sad, and youcould tell that these emotions were there in
this cat. So I have tobelieve that if they're capable of showing these
emotions, that they're not just mindlessdrones, that they do have some It

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may not be the same soul thatyou and I have, but I have
to believe that they have something.I agree it's some type of energy.
I mean, I've seen videos,not doctored videos, of dogs crying on
the grave of their owner or onthe casket because they were sad that their
owner wasn't Therety, I mean,yeah, I'm with you on that.

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Just it's kind of a what aboutthat? Crazy? What about all the
animals throughout history that have been seenas ghostly apparitions that you know, there's
always been a ghost dog or aghost cat, or a ghost deer,
or there's been some kind of animalapparition that has been seen. You know,
old farmer Johnson loved this dog andthe dog lived for twenty years,

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and now that same old dog canbe seen at the farm or something like
that. You know, if thesebe the animals didn't have some sort of
like you said, an energy,a spirit, a soul or something like
that, how could they still beprojecting a image, you know, a

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ghostly image. That's a damn goodquestion. But that dog you saw that
night, I thought about that.I promise you that somebody didn't have a
soul. I thought about that.When he's talking, I didn't want to
jump in with it. I feltthat, Yeah, that one was that
one came from somewhere else. Hell. Did he come from hell? Probably?
Okay? Yeah, if you guysdon't know what we're talking about,

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go back and watch a Jeff's firstinterview with us, and he tells the
story of the demon dog that stuckwith us for a little bit. That
did stick with it. Yeah,I went home and I didn't talk to
my dog for two days. Sowe've got Jeff on tonight because for a
specific reason, Jeff messaged me andhe says, hey, let's do a
show where we talk about proving hoaxersin the crypto and paranormal worlds. So,

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Jeff, you obviously have experienced withthis a big time. I was
asked to be on a television showmany years ago when the Bigfoot craze first
started hitting TV. There was ashow that was called the ten Million Dollars

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Bigfoot bounty and I interviewed to beon this show, and during the course
of the interview, I made itall the way through to the end,
and the guy said on the skypeinterview, he was like, well,
just a question if you were askedto Maybe he didn't use the word hoax,

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but he said, if you wereasked to fabricate some evidence or do
something just for the sake of goodtelevision, would you And I said no,
and you didn't make it on theshow. Yeah, But you know
what, dude, I'll tell yousomething. You know, damn well,

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you know damn well that there isa plenty of people out there that would
have no problem that would have saidyes. And they did, and that's
why they made it onto the show. Absolutely well. It ends up that
this exact same show called me backwhen they were going to be on for
a second season, called me backand asked me if I would join the

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crew of the show and if Iwould go out and I would plant evidence,
fake evidence for these people to find. Now, they said that they
were wanting to see if these peoplecould tell the difference between real and fake
evidence. They did not say theywere going to use that evidence to hoax

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the public. They were going touse that evidence to see if they can.
Yeah, and I still turned itdown because I didn't want my name
associated with any type of hoaxing whatsoever. So so Jeff, let me ask
you, because while you're talking ofone of my biggest frustrations is the when

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you when you refer stuff like this, and you know, even doctor shows
and police uh police show as copshows, it creates such a false perception
of really really what the experiences are. And so what is your level of
frustration? I know what mine is, and I'm pretty vocal about it,
But what's your level of frustration whenyou you yourself, people like me,

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people that you know, Ron's gettinginto this, and my small small circle
of people we take this serious asserious as life, our research in the
paranormal I'm speaking of. How doesthat make you feel when you devote your
research into something and then you havethese charlatans like that that come out publicly
and misrepresent actually the real work behindit. What aggravates me the most is

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that when you're very honest, youhave integrity, and you're out there doing
a genuine effort, You're making agenuine effort to look at real evidence,
debunk everything that's debunkable, disprove everythingthat's disprovable, and see what you're left

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with and then go from there investigatingwhat you're left with to see what's what.
And you can't get the time ofday. You can't get any of
your books read and published hardly,you can't get any television and things like
that. They're not really that interestedin you. But every one of these

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people, save for one or twothat just they throw TV shows at,
they throw book deals at, theythrow all these all this fame, so
to speak, at, and they'rethe biggest bunch of liars and charlatan's in
the history of the world. Andthey've been caught at it. One of

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the guys that has done this RickDyer, remembering the freezer, Ye remember
him. Rick Dyer hopsed everybody.He admitted that, he hoped everybody,
and he said, I will hoaxagain and everybody will believe me. Six
months or a year later he hoaxedeverybody again, said that down at San

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Antonio, he nailed some ribs toa tree and killed a big foot,
called it Hank. They put itin a trailer was little cargo trailers and
a glass coffin drove around the countryand people paid fifteen dollars a pomp to
go and look at this spake bigfootin a glass coffin kind of thing,
and then he come out high.It was a hoax. I told everybody

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was gonna hoax you. Again Idid, and y'all believed it, and
people put him on TV shows,they put him on talk shows, they
put him on everything, and itjust seems like it was he told everybody
it was John. It seems likethat's the wrong kind of press you want,
but be the way to get sleptin the face. It is,

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especially if I pay money, right, I mean. The bottom line though,
is people are gullible, Don't getme wrong. That's just kind of
the way life is. But atthe same time, this guy's making all
his money by doing hoaxes, claimingthat their hoaxes, and that's why.
That's how he's getting the press.It's uh, the pt Barnham school.

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I guess you could say any pressis good press. Just Telly's name correctly,
you know. And another one thatgets me is, since the advent
of social media, anybody and everybodycan all of a sudden become a quote
unquote cryptozoologist. They have no backgroundin animal science, they have no background

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in anything that would have been aninvestigator, being a police officer, anything
that would lend to them being ableto investigate anything. And all of a
sudden, they have a Facebook page, they have a group, they have
Instagrams, twitters, everything, andthey've got thousands upon thousands of people following
them, and they're putting out jumpfootprints. You know, one of my

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biggest pet peeves is they'll show apicture of a footprint and it's in the
middle of the leaf littered forest,And in the middle of a thousand acres
of leaf littered forest, this isthe one spot that bigfoot stepped and there's
a Christine footprint. There's not anotherfootprint anywhere around it, and the ground

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as hard as a rock. Andthey got this Christine footprint, and everybody's
like, oh my god, that'sthe best footprint I've ever seen. That's
such good evidence. I'm going it'sfabricated, it's false, it's fake,
it's junk. I'm I'm looking atit. And boy, if you come
at them, if you dare sayyou think that that's fabricated or whatever,

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you get attacked by all their minions, and you are just lower than whale
turns. So, Jeff, letme ask you, do you think that
a lot of people, because Isee it a lot in the paranormal field,
do you think a lot of peoplejust want to believe so bad that
they are that delusional in their beliefsystem that they will become blind to truth
and facts just to say it's real. Yeah. I've literally had people track

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me down, find out where Ilive, drive to my home to come
in my house, knock on mydoor, come in my house and sit
on my couch and tell me aboutcentaurs living at Lake Ncadoches. Centaurs,
we're talking half horse half human animalsthat are living around Lake Nacodoches. You

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know, just they've seen them manytimes. And you know, I'm sidered
going half horse at the body ofa horse, the horse of a man
coming out of it. And you'regonna track me down an hour from your
home, track me down to cometo my house to tell me about that.

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And I have people that that thatdo think that, just oh,
I've got to tell you my story. And of course I listen to everybody
and they'll tell me their story andyou can tell that it is. It's
like wow, you start asking thequestions of you know, where did you

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see this, what time of daywas it, what time of how tall
was it was? This was?That was? This is that? Can
we go to the location and look, well, we can't go there?
Why can't we? You know,it's just there's there's lots of things that
you ask, you learn over theyears to ask. But some of those
people are believable. The well thatthe problem is probably not that there's not

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that they're believable, but that theythemselves believe what they're telling you. And
you know, damn good and willthat it's that it's fake. It's a
narcissistic crap right there. Yeah,you know, being from both realms of
paranormal and cryptozoological, I believe nowa certain amount of people are totally honest.

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They may have seen something, butthey're thinking they saw something cryptozoological when
they saw something paranormal, right ifyou know, I hear people all the
time say that Bigfoot can cloak hecan go invisible. You know, he's
got his Harry Potter cloak on andhe can go invisible. Well, in

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the realm of zoology, there isno precedent for hair covered mammal to be
able to do anything. Now,and you know fish and things like that.
We have certain species that can maketheir bodies go translucent. I think

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you know, cuttlefish, octopus,things like that. They can camouflage their
bodies. Certain chameleons and different reptilescan camouflage their bodies, but none of
them have hair. Hair is nota living thing that can change colors.
So when people tell me that,you know, I was sitting there looking

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at Bigfoot, and Bigfoot just hejust vanished, he just went invisible.
I go to, well, thismay be more of a paranormal sighting than
actual flesh and blood. So thatmakes sense because I've heard the stories about
Bigfoot kind of moving into and outof visibility through like other realms like moving,

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you know. But crypto zoology,it just it sounds more sophisticated and
said to say, paranormal investigation.No, well, no, I get
that, but cryptozoology isn't paranormal investigation. Fact yeah, fact. Oh by
the way, really quick, we'regonna go to a break real quick hang
out. I just want to tellyou that I do know one person that
could that that could challenge you onthe human hair color changing theory. I'm

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just saying, I'm just saying hello, anyway, they can't. They can't.
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I was, I was pausing,I was delaying. Yeah, yeah,
I got it. I got itall in there though, all the

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social networks. And then he wasdebating should I say Facebook instrument? I
was to talk, but this cantake a lot of time, and the
time come on, Jeff, Yeah, let's get him back up here.
Jeff Stewart, Jeff Crypto Hulk Stewart, Welcome back, buddy. How are
you? I am ecstatic to behere. It looks like it though that

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I kind of thought that. Imean, look, I got chosen.
My good lord, I'm hardly ableto contain myself. This is the most
excitement we've had on this show ina long time. Do we got excitement?
That was kind of exciting to seeyou were missing out? That's grabbing

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to think he did, Yes,I did. Yes. I'm a hugger
else. So you know, Ilike us, Jeff. When we see
you, all three of us threeminute hug live stream. There you go,
and Rocky likes to live stream stuff. So, Jeff, I have
a question for you. It goesback, It goes back. You know

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what I mean when I say thePatterson Gimmlin film, right of course?
Real or no. One is avery close friend of mine. What really?
Yes? Oh that's fantastic. Sotell us about him and then tell
us whether you think that film isfake or not. Jim is one of

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the nicest human beings you ever wantto meet. He is. He is
just it is just so funny thatmeet this man and sit down. You
feel like you're talking to your grandpabecause he's that loving and kind and nice.
Um. I have well at aconference here a couple of years ago.

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He had actually gotten some death threatsbefore the conference, and I was
asked, why would he get deaththreat my table? Oh my gosh,
y'all y'all don't know. I getdeath threats on a daily basis, just
about it because I disagree with peopleor something like that, and their minions
will come at me and threaten tokill me. It's I'm like, you
know my address, Yeah, bringit on. I remember, Jeff,

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you know when everybody wanted to nackfrom East Texas that owns lots of guns,
lots of me to come at me. No, seriously, So,
Jeff, do you remember when whenghost Hunters and ghost Adventures were super big
and then everybody wanted to be ghostHunters and ghost adventures that got the cool
up bits and the cool T shirtsand um, I'm telling you it was

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like when there was groups everywhere.It was territorial. I mean if a
group went into like another small tonejust like some gang shit. Bro really,
yes, bro, bro, Idon't know. I did a television
show called Monsters and Mysteries in America. Well, once I was done with

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that, Destinated that was on theDestination America channel. Well, Destination America
hired me to be a content creatorfor the show. I did a podcast
where I mentioned that I was goingto the Sam Houston National Forest to do
some investigating and scouting around that areafor possible show locations. The next thing

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you know, I had death threats. I had people that investigated in that
area that were on podcasts saying thatif Jeff Stewart comes in our area,
we're going to meet him with guns. We're going to block his access to
the Sam Houston National Forest. Weare going to be down every trail with
air horns and beating pots and pans, will make sure that he can't investigate

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in our area. What why wouldpeople do that? What is the point?
I guess? And I mean we'renot talking about private land here,
We're talking about public excess land.I mean, it's not like I was
going to someone's grandmother's forty acre pondor something like that and trying to catch
their big fish. You know.I was actually going to a public forest,

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a national forest, you know,And it's just you get stuff like
that. But you know, backto Bob and the Patrishon Giblin film.
As most people know, I havedone a few movies. I am a
special effects fanboy. I grew updoing special effects, making Halloween masks things

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like that. Just got through doinga movie called Man Versus Bigfoot where I
did all the special effects for themovie and built actually built a big Foot
costume for the movie. And thething that strikes me about the Patterson Giblin
film is in nineteen sixty seven whenthis film was report was supposedly filmed,

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When this footage the technology to makea suit like they claim was made,
was not even in Hollywood. Manyof the top special effects artists of the
day say they could not have madethat suit with what was available. Then
now you're telling me that a rodeocouple of rodeo cowboys built a suit better

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than one Hollywood special effects artists couldbuild in their garage. Well in Rocket
LATEX, wasn't there yea the hairthey supposedly they built it out of some
old bear rugs and remnants of bearhides and things like that. Now,
this is a film that has notbeen able to be debunked since nineteen sixty

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seven. With all our technology wehave today, with all of our computers,
everything we have, nobody can actuallyone debunk it and coming being able
to do Space X I could notbuild. I could not have built that
costume. Then many people today havetried to duplicate that costume been able to.

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So we're showing it on the screenright now so people will understand.
This is the Bigfoot with the boobsRocky, Yeah, the Patterson Gimblin film.
This is the most famous, inmy opinion, the most famous Bigfoot
film made. That's all I seen. Although Bryan is the boobs. Yes,
sorry about that, Bud. Andyou have to ask yourself, why

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would two rednecks, redneck rodeo cowboyswho are going to hoax somebody about a
bigot, why would they have putboobs on big food. Yeah, you
wouldn't think to do that. Thatwouldn't be in your mind to do.
Plus, that would have added alevel of difficulty to building this costume.

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And we're talking about two like itkeeps saying this, two rodeo cowboys with
no taxidermy skills, no special effectsartists skills, And you tell me they
created that highly technical suit and putsomebody in it. And of course Bob
Horonymus has come forward and he says, oh, I was the guy in

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the suit and all of this,but nobody can produce a suit. But
it's been people say, oh,I've got the suit, but nobody produced
it. And here's another thing.Why would Bob Gimlin Roger Patterson have lived
their lives in relative mediocrity as faras income and things like that. If
they had that level of skill todo special effects, why didn't they go

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to Hollywood and make millions of dollarsin the movie industry? Because if you
think at that time you had.Planet of the Apes was one of the
biggest blockbuster movies out. Their costumeslook like plastic rubber yep mask on people
that there there. Their special effectsdidn't look half that good. You know,

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I gotta say something, Jeff,I'm watching this video and I can't
stop watching it now, Ryan,play it for a second. The part
where this big foot turns around andlooks there's a little creepy factor I got
going out right now. I meanjust I mean, if something did that
to me in the woods, therewould definitely be an exit from a specific
hole in my body. I'm justsaying, wow. And you know,

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I'm telling you putting actors in bigfootcostumes with masks and things they don't move
that well, yeah, you're talkingabout a rubber mask on somebody in nineteen
sixty seven. It wouldn't have beenlatex. It would have been rubber,
you know what I'm saying. Itwouldn't have been something that was like your

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own flesh because they didn't have thattechnology. Then it's just crazy to watch.
I mean, unless unless you knowof something else, and I'm sure
you do, but this is probablythe most famous bigfoot you know video that's
out there. Correct. This isthe one that has not been able to

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be on debunked. There's people thatsay, oh, it's not real.
Then there's people that say, ohit's real. But there's never been anybody
to come forward and say, Okay, we've analyzed this, we've ran it
through this, you know, ninetwenty one spectrographic anemometer, and boy it,

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we've we've proven that it is fake. There's been nobody that can do
that. Now, one day somebodymay come out and prove that it's fake,
and I'm gonna go, wow,man, that was so good.
It got me. But as ofwritten now, I'm willing to say I
can't see it being fake. Now. Interesting thing, that creature looks nothing

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like the creatures that I have beenface to face with, so it's a
different species. I don't necessarily knowif it's a different species or just as
I mean, we look different ashuman beings. I look different than you,
You look different than me. We'resimilar. We have two eyes and

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nose mouth. Ears are anatomical,our anatomy, I guess the best word
is the same. But we looktotally different. We don't look like Oriental
people. We don't look like peoplefrom India or the Middle East, or
you know, we don't look likedifferent ethnic people's people from different regions of

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the world. You know, youhave people of the Greeks who are known
to be a very hairy people.We've got people from you know, the
Polynesian Islands who don't have very muchbody hair. So if you takes region
by region, it could simply justbe different Bigfoot from different regions look differently

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as we look different from one another. Step I'd never thought about that before,
but I think but you know I'msaying. I started to say,
because you know, when you weretalking about and you were describing on the
last show, and you were describingthis being that you know, jumped out
of the tree and landed near youand was looking at you. What you

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described, what I understood you todescribe, was more of a to me,
more of a very hairy, mattedhair homeless person. That's I mean,
honestly, because you didn't specifically saythat it had ape like features.
You know what I'm saying, ifyou would have, if you looked at

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this thing in the face that Isaw, both of them that I saw
face to face, if you've everseen pictures of the old Australian Aboriginals from
like back in the nineteen twenties thirties, some of those old black and white
photographs. That's what it looked like. The skin was a mahogany brown color,
almost shiny, oily looking. Thelips were very pronounced, but not

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outside the realm of human lips.Nose was broad and flat. Eyes were
very much You could see the definitionin the eyes, the detail, but
the sclera of the eyes was almostjaundice looking. It was kind of yellow.
But there it wasn't big black,dead doll eyes. It was an

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eye with definite differences in the scleraand the pupil and the retina cornea,
all of that kind of stuff.There was difference, you could see it.
But looking at this thing. Growingup, never heard tales of big
foot in the woods that I hunted, but we were always cautioned as kids
playing and hunting in the woods,watch out for the old hermits that live

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out in the woods, the hobos, things like that that lived out in
the woods. And somebody would comein and every once a wall and say,
oh my gosh, we saw hoboout in the woods or something like
that. And now my mind goesto, what if they didn't see a
hobo out in the woods, whatif they actually saw a Bigfoot creature?
Entirely possible, Rocky, what arethese images that you're I'm wondering what that

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kid is doing on that image rightthere. I'm just saying, yeah,
Wow, okay, show this picturehere really quick. I want you to
see this picture. I don't knowif it's gonna be a good picture,
jet or if you can even seeit anything any resemblance. I mean,
that's almost like a human, justa superhiry dood. Okay, that that

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looks like the creature from that LanceHendrickson movie it's about Bigfoot, really good
movie, but similar to that,but not quite that they said hard those
features were that creature. Yeah,it's got that long top lip and the
lips are not really that large.That that is that that's similar, But

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that doesn't look really Oh the hell, I wouldn't want to run into that
the freaking back alley. It's lookingat you, Ryan, look at it.
I see it and say it againand again. Yeah, that one.
That's way more photos are too Simian. Yeah is oh my god,

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that's fraud. Standing go back goback the one before this one right there,
that's fraud standings, that's Todd Standings. Um that photos supposedly from Todd
Standing up in Canada. Who notthat one the one after it, the

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one of the one looks like thatpeach buzz on his face? Yeah?
Um, supposed in the dead dolleyes and stuff. You know, Todd
Standing claims that this is a realpicture of one of the big foot up
in Canada. What and uh yeah, yeah. And there's another one that
he has that if you look atit and a picture of him side by

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side, it looks like him andmakeup. You know, I'm not don't
take this the wrong way, folks, don't take this wrong way. But
for some reason, I just feltlike that one was probably more like a
bigfoot you'd find in Japan. Uh. I can see that. I'm feeling
that. I'm just saying, doyou feel it? Yeah, Hey,
Jeff, pull your camera back alittle bit. It's all up in your

(40:43):
face. It's all some reason I'mhaving a hard time hearing, so I'm
kind of holding it close so Ican hear you. Guys, he was
just getting closer and closer. Butno, I mean, if you did
yeah, we're looking at a differentimages, and any of these images could
be similar to what you saw.But quite honestly, just to have the

(41:06):
conversation with someone who has put theireyes physically on a creature like this,
been able to talk about it,things like that, and quite honestly,
for me, for it to havehappened so close to where I live,
I mean, you know, I'vegot friends of mine that live in Arkansas,
friends that live in like you guysin East Texas, and I had

(41:28):
no idea that even it was possibleto see things like that in East Texas.
Hell, I've walked around in thewoods out there, never even encountered,
you know, the slightest But Ithink at one point we want to
come out. That's a good point. That's a real good point. And
people bring that up all the time. I get guys that come up to
me, you know, and they'relike, man, I've hunted these woods

(41:49):
my whole life and I ain't neverseen me no big foot. And I'm
like, well, guess what I'dhunted in my whole life too, and
never saw one until I saw oneand I hit them with this. The
blackfooted ferret is native to East Texas. But I guarantee you can't find one
out of a thousand people in EastTexas it's ever seen one in the wall.

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Okay, good point. I meanthere are all manners of animals that
live in the woods of East Texasand people don't see them. People that
have never seen a screech owl.You've heard a screech owl, but you've
probably never seen a screech owl becausea screech owl is about, you know,
six inches tall. You know they'renot you're big barred owl or anything
like that. What do they sayin regards to the strength of a bigfoot?

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You know, I know nobody's reallygotten a ring and scrapped with a
big foot. But you know whenwe talk about a silver back, what
do they say, they're like threetimes the strength of a human being,
a human man. It's the sametheory five times. Oh, I don't
think a chimpanzee one hundred and twentypounds chimpanzee, it's about about three to

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five times stronger than a one hundredand ninety to two hundred pounds human mail
they I mean, they literally canrip your face apart. They will eat
your eyeballs and when you're talking aboutthe strength of a mountain gorilla. We're
talking about we couldn't even I mean, we couldn't even put up a good

(43:22):
fight if one of them decided tocome at us. There's no way possible.
I mean, Schwarzenegger couldn't fight him. He'd get it, get his
butt handed to him. Um,there's no it's all speculation. You know.
Everything with Bigfoot is theory and speculationbecause we have nothing. There is
no proof, there's no study,there's you know, we didn't even know

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anything about the mountain gorilla until somebodywent and spent years living in the woods
with them, in the jungle withthem and wrote down everything they saw him
Doug, And until we have acomprehensive study like that on Bigfoot, everything
speculation. But you know, wewould think that if they if they are

(44:09):
more on the lines of a prehistorictype human being like Heidelberganzas or Neanderthal or
something like that, then their strengthwould probably be very comparable to our own.
But if we think that they aremore akin to the gorilla, that
they are more of an ape thana humanoid, then we would have to

(44:32):
think that their strength would be morealong the lines of the apes, the
Simians. That's tough, and it'sreasonable to think that. I mean,
but everybody's afraid of Bigfoot. Whenit comes right down to it, do
you do you fight it? Doyou run from it? Do you shoot

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it? Dude? If you're ifyour family was in danger, would you
scrap with Bigfoot to try to protectyour family? Straight up? Of course
I'd lose, But of course Iwould. Dude, I got you would
do that too. Well, whatdid you think about something? Think about
this when we talk about being,you know, seven feet think about somebody

(45:14):
like Shaquille O'Neill being seven feet tall. Think of the amount of muscle that
is owned him. You know,he's not a bean pole. These creatures
aren't tall, skinny bean poles.They're very muscular, very robust. And
so if you're talking about somebody that'sbuilt like Shaquille O'Neill, believe me,
if you got in a wrestling match. I don't know about a boxing match,

(45:37):
but if you got in a wrestlingmatch with Shaquille, he could probably
overpower you without thinking twice. Thatis no joke. I feel pretty confident
about that. That is no joke. Hey, Jeff, we're gonna we're
gonna We've got an announcement we've gotto make to these guys here, so
we're gonna go. We're gonna letyou go. But listen, brother,
we'd love to have you back again. You've got great information and we appreciate

(45:58):
you on short notice coming in visiting, whether it's a d tonight, uh
and talking about this fun Yeah,thank you. And one of these days
I want to I want to meetBob Gimlin. That'd be great. I
don't know is he still alive?Oh gosh, mister Bob, he's still
going around the conferences and uh.Um he has a really good uh friend
of mine that travels with him,and uh they go to conferences and uh,

(46:23):
Russell Accord is his name, andRussell takes care of Bob and make
sure Bob's safe and Bob gets toand from where Bob needs to go.
And how old is he now?Probably his nineties? Oh gosh, um
think him. Bob's eighty something.You gotta forgive me. I wanted to

(46:44):
say eighty six eighty eight. Icould be wrong. Someone correct me if
I'm wrong out there that because ifI'm positive I'm wrong. If that film
was in sixty seven. That wouldmake it about right. Eighties, late
eighties, early nineties, something like, all right, Jes spry, he
is as spry as you would want. I want to be like that one.

(47:05):
Jeff, we love start. Thankyou friend, take care, Thanks,
Jeff, appreciate thank ye. Allright, ladies and gentlemen. Jeff
Stewart, Dude, I got anidea. All right, what's that.
Let's fight a damn kangaroo. Let'sfight a kangaroo. You can pay ten
dollars at a carnival and you cango total toll with the kangaroo. Literally,
dude, they will deck you.Dude. There's a video out there

(47:25):
of a guy freaking punch in akangaroo. So I think somebody's visualizing it
right now. Yeah, somebody's visualizingit. See. All you gotta do
is get him to kick you inthe head. One O, you kick
me in the face. Oh,I'll be so mad. But I come
to nothing about it, all right, So what's the what's what's happening?
Um? We are going to filmRon jumping out of a plan. That

(47:47):
is not the case. That isnot the announcement. It's not even close
to the announcement. The announcement isthe announcement is is that I got set
up? You didn't get set up? Is that Uh, tomorrow night's show
will likely be a replay. That'sit. Yeah, I'm not manage you
at all, dude, I'm notseeing you at all. But something came

(48:10):
up with one of our family membersand then we need to take care of
that business. And I guess youknow, I'm hoping everybody can understand that.
So it'll be our it'll be ourfirst replay, So we'll knock that
out tomorrow night. I'm not evensure what I'm gonna put up yet,
but I'll put up something. Weprobably will not have video associated with it
tomorrow night, so it'll just bea replay on our heart radio. Um,

(48:31):
but you guys listen if you can, and uh, we'll pick a
good one to put up. Dude. Maybe we'll just do like we're you
know, we're we're gonna be differentlocations, but maybe we'll tie in and
just do a quick live stream onFacebook just let everybody. Yeah, now,
we could probably do that, youknow, just as a little treat,
because we are devoted, man.Yeah, we just I mean,

(48:52):
quite honestly, we're both kind ofhad a loss because we don't know really
what we want to do tomorrow.No, no, no, right,
I don't know what do you want? I told Rod, I gonna do
it. Hit that gold button,bro it hit the gold button. I'm
telling you, skip does it?Said? Did we did? We just
get best of Oh h folks,it is what it is. Life gets

(49:16):
in the way when you do itwhen you do a week night, every
night, every week night show.So just follow along and you'll understand.
That's all I can say. Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. Yeah,
we're not going to looking for somebodywith the baseball bat, you know
what I'm saying. That's Saturday night, and I can't even say we're going
to an investigation that happens to beat the same time as what our show

(49:37):
is. Can't say that, dude, that's a hell of a point.
But you know we'll be broadcasting livefrom an undisclosed location. That's a potential.
It's a potential. Yep, we'redoing it, and we're gonna film
Ron Philips going into a location byhimself, says him, and Audrey,
I'll do the show for us.Come on, I want to explain something.

(49:58):
See Ron has been beat up sinceI told him he's trying. I
act like he's totally okay with it, because listen to me, folks,
When we commit every single night tohang up with all of you for an
hour, it actually we feel likewe abandon the listener when we have to
put in a replay. Am Iat all close and accron on that?
Well? Yeah, I mean Iwant people to get the entertainment value out
of the show, but everybody hasto understand that we have lives outside of

(50:21):
the show, believe it or not. Right much, just a little bit
more than what we have. Youknow, we don't got a lot of
friends. You know. Ron wentfor a jog today. I'm proud of
you. I actually did for along walk in a little bit of a
jog. It's it's crazy carrying thisway around. I got to do something.
I'm proud of your brother. Thankyou. I'm proud of you.

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