Ep 22323: Abnormal Realities

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You stick where, but we're notpaying for it. Come Prenday Mojoe five,
A journey into the matrix of themind. Stretch your imagination and challenge
reality. Abnormal realities are beacons forthe imagination. What society deems the abnormal
maybe more real than we think.This is abnormal Realities. With your hosts,

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Ron Phillips and Rocky Stucci. Isit really illegal to bring cats into
Mexico? I have no idea.I doubt it. I doubt it.
I mean, don't they have likea critter problem at all? Okay,
all right, sorry, I'm workingon it, working with the gas.
I got this, folks. Welcometo the program. Emotional meet Paul,

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you're Rocky Stucci, and we havemy brother at arms, mister Ron Phillips.
What you're seeing right now, thisis a different mode of Ron Phillips,
folks. So if you're watching,this is what we call producer ron
face. Hey man, this iswhat happens when stuff doesn't go like it's
supposed to. I know, andI know how you get. I remember
when we're in South Carolina. Dude, you had game face for like four

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hours until that studio got set up. I did, Yeah, I was,
Yeah, I was. I wasfocused. Tell you go ahead,
let's bring brother jeff in. Wegot a fun show for you tonight.
It is Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Folks visit the website Abnormal Realities dot
com. Um, dude, dudes, I said, dude to the audience.
Oh professional was that? Wow?Dudes, I'm gonna take a sup

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my coffee. I gotta tell youguys something. Oh yeah, he's got
to tell you something and it's serious. What is all the beeping going on?
Um? That was? I thinkthat was over here? So,
um, I saw a ghost animalin Ron studio today. That's what he
keeps saying. That's what he keepssaying. He said he called it out
of the corner of his eye.What does that mean? A ghost animal?

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Was it like a raccoon? Bigfoot? Well, it looked more like
a like a demon dog. I'mjust saying, why would that be?
I don't know. The first partwas really unnecessary, but I just needed
a reaction from Ron Phillips because he'sa producer mode and it's stressing me out.
Dude. You know, look,this was you doing your own show.

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Yes, right now, I'm supercomfortable. Hey, By the way.
Andrew Speck is in the chat room. I just want to thank him
for his order. He is ahuge supporter of my son's lures. Uh,
you guys go check it out.We published a bunch more today wayfinder
Lures dot Com. Wayfinder lures dotCom. No, Um, I was
sitting here earlier, and um,I'm not lying. I mean literally,

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I'm totally serious. Did you guysever feel like you've seen and I heard
it and I believe it. RunI'm not asking no questions. You're typing
right now, so I'm just talkingwith everybody right here, please right there,
Thank you. Um. I've heardton of stories, and you guys
in the chat room, I wantto hear it. Ton of stories in
regards to like when you lose ananimal, a cat, a bird,

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Um, no, not so mucha bird. That was kind of dumb.
Don't know why I said that.Part a cat or a dog?
Do you think you see it?You think you feel it? I truly
believe that you do. Right,my parents, One time, I'm not
talking to you, Ron my parents. One time I was gonna turn to
you and talk to you, butno, I don't want to even look
at you right now, I'm doingdude, I'm not interrupting you, all

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right. So, um, theywere. They were laying in their bed.
Don't look at me, You're gonnado your thing. They were.
They were laying on the bed.And I'm sure um at folio pajamas.
My dad likes the slant of pajamas. And one time, at the end
of the bed, my mom sawa black It was a small dog,
but still big enough to be ableto peek over the bed. She didn't

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say anything at first and literally brodliterally like two seconds later, my dad
looks over at my mom and hegoes, did you just see that?
Did you just see that? Somy dad saw it without even without even
acknowledging my mom and vice versa,so they both saw it independently and then
confirmed that they both saw it.So my question to you is do you

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believe because run just listen, youdon't look. They're people that are super
staunch in the religious beliefs that theybelieve that animals don't have souls. Okay,
But the question is though, Okay, so we think a dog will
have a soul because a dog soulslove and compassion. Horses have souls,
cats have souls. Do bugs havesouls? Do spiders have souls? Because

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technically their energy. So if youbelieve in the reincarnation theory, the reincarnation
theory means you cannot create nor destroyerenergy. It dis converts one from one
form to the other. Right,that is true, no matter if it's
a small, tiny ant, itstill possesses even if it's minute energy.
So when that ant dies, likewhen I catch that fire ant mount on

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fire, there's a whole bunch oflittle ants going into light. Literally,
yeah, right, So do theyreincarnate um or do they have souls because
it's still a living mechanism. Isn'tbeing living being? But or do you
believe that you have to be ableto possess a form of love and feel
that emotion of love to be ableto have a soul? As their guidelines

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is there, you know, astheir lines in the sand. I would
have loved to know what people thinkabout that, because I've had that discussion
with people several times whether or notanimals have souls, because this was the
whole thing about human beings. Wepossess one specific trait as a mammal that

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other mammals don't possess. What isthat trait love? No, the ability
to blush? Did you know that? I love you? Okay? I
love you? Man? Yeah?Stop? Yeah, So that's uh,
that's that's the thing. So I'dlove to know. So wait a minute,
dude, silverbacks can blush. I'veseen it, have you? Dude,

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Michael Jackson's chimpanzee blushed all the time. Have you seen it? No?
But maybe do you would think Michaeljackson chimpanzee would blush all the time?
Because you know, I'm not implementingnothing that's right. But you know
what I'm saying, take a look. Stop showing my alien's ass. What

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you said it? I didn't sayit. Okay, we do have our
guests ready whenever we're oh, brother, bring him. He's got that look
on his face, like, whatin the hell are y'all talking about?
Hey, Jeff, can you hearus? Hey man, you know,
Jeff, you walked in at aperfect time. Serious question. We're gonna
jump right into this, dude,chimpanzee's blush, boyal Come on, Jeff,

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Come on, Jeff, do youhave two different commons right here?
You know, in the order inorder for a chimpanzee to be able to
blush. They would have to beable to feel some sort of emotion that
would cause them to blush. Oh, they're pretty straight to the point.

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Yeah and they You're right, sothey that's really actually a pretty profound You
would have been better off asking hima bigfoot blushes. All right, All
right, let's let's go to thesecond part of this question, because now
this is serious, because this issomething I'm pond it for a long time.
When it comes to animal souls.I know some people, very staunch
Catholics that believe that animals do nothave souls. Do you, sir,

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believe that animals have souls? AndI kind of mentioned the reincarnation theory everything
is energy, even all the waydown to an ant. But let's keep
this more to the animal part,right, Do you, sir, believe
that animals all han souls or dosome have souls or none? You know,

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this is a difficult question for alot of people. Now, me,
Um, being of Native American thesense and having certain beliefs that are
rooted in that culture, believe thatanimals do possess a soul as we understand

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soul a spirit. Um. I'mof the belief that God created nothing that
was not worthy of a soul,of a spirit um. It's hard to
believe that something like a dog ora cat, or any animal that you've

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spent time with that shows you whatwe perceive as love and affection could not
have a soul. That's a fantasticanswer, that's really good. I've worked
with a lot of animals in mylifetime, everything from uh tigers and lines

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to chimpanzees, and I have foundthat every one of them, if given
the opportunity and time spent with them, all expressed a certain amount of care,
love, what we perceive as love, and just something really uncanny.

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Even back when I was working withtigers, I worked as a teenager.
There was a guy that lived inthe town of Tennehall that had bred big
cats for Barnum and Bailey and WringlingBrothers circuses, and I worked for him
taking care of those cats. Andmy job every day I took a seven

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hundred and fifty pound male tiger Bengaltiger to a pond to go swimming,
and this tiger and I built upsuch a bond that this tiger would cry
whenever it saw me. It wouldthey would actually cry out, and it
would make noises, and when Iwas coming, it would get excited,

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and when I would leave, itwould get sad. And you could tell
that these emotions were there in thiscat. So I have to believe that
if they're capable of showing these emotions, that they're not just mindless drones,
that they do have some It maynot be the same soul that you and

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I have, but I have tobelieve that they have something. I agree
it's some type of energy. Imean, I've seen videos, not doctored
videos, of dogs crying on thegrave of their owner or on the casket
because they were sad that their ownerwasn't theory, I mean, yeah,
I'm with you on that. Justit's kind of a what about that?

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Crazy? What about all the animalsthroughout history that have been seen as ghostly
apparitions that you know, there's alwaysbeen a ghost dog or a ghost cat,
or a ghost deer, or there'sbeen some kind of the animal apparition
that has been seen. You know, old farmer Johnson loved this dog and
the dog lift for twenty years andnow that same old dog can be seen

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at the farm or something like that. You know, if these be the
animals didn't have some sort of,like you said, an energy, a
spirit, a soul or something likethat. How could they still be projecting
a image, you know, aghostly image. That's a damn good question.

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But that dog you saw that night, I thought about that. I
promise you that somebody didn't have asoul. I thought about that. When
he's talking, I didn't want tojump in with it. I felt that,
Yeah, that one was that onecame from somewhere else. Hell?
Did he come from hell? Probably? Okay? Yeah, if you guys
don't know what we're talking about,go back and watch a Jeff's first interview

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with us, and he tells thestory of the demon dogs. That stuck
with us for a little bit.That did stick was, Yeah, I
went home and I didn't talk tomy dogs for two days. So we've
got Jeff on tonight because for aspecific reason, Jeff messaged me and he
says, hey, let's do ashow where we talk about proving hoaxers in
the crypto and paranormal worlds. So, Jeff, you obviously have experience with

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this m a big time. Iwas asked to be on a television show
many years ago when the bigfoot crazefirst started hitting TV. There was a
show that was called The ten Milliondollars Bigfoot Bounty, and I interviewed to

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be on this show. And duringthe course of the interview, I made
it all the way through to theend, and the guy said on the
skype interview, he was like,well, just a question if you were
asked to Maybe he didn't use theword hoax, but he said, if

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you were asked to fabricate some evidenceor do something just for the sake of
good television, would you And Isaid no, and you didn't make it
on the show. Yeah, Butyou know what, dude, I'll tell
you something. You know, damnwell, you know damn well that there

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is a plenty of people out therethat would have no problem that would have
said yes. And they did,and that's why they made it onto the
show. Absolutely well. It endsup that this exact same show called me
back when they were going to beon for a second season, called me
back and asked me if I wouldjoin the crew of the show and if

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I would go out and I wouldplant evidence, fake evidence for these people
to find. Now, they saidthat they were wanting to see if these
people could tell the difference between realand fake evidence. They did not say
they were going to use that evidenceto to hoax the public. They were

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going to use that evidence to seeif they can differ. Yeah, and
I still turned it down because Ididn't want my name associated with any type
of hoaxing whatsoever. So so,Jeff, let me ask you, because
while you're talking of one of mybiggest frustrations is the when you when you
refer stuff like this and you know, even doctor souls and police uh police

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show as cop shows, it createssuch a false perception of really really what
the experiences are. And so whatis your level of frustration? I know
what mine is, and I'm prettyvocal about it, But what's your level
of frustration when you you yourself,people like me, people that you know,
Royn's getting into this, and mysmall small circle of people we take

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this serious as serious as life,our research in the paranormal I'm speaking of.
How does that make you feel whenyou devote your res or into something
and then you have these charlatans likethat that come out publicly and misrepresent actually
the real work behind it. Whataggravates me the most is that when you're

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very honest, you have integrity,and you're out there doing a genuine effort.
You're making a genuine effort to lookat real evidence, debunk everything that's
debunkable, disprove everything that's disprovable,and see what you're left with and then

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go from there investigating what you're leftwith to see what's what. And you
can't get the time of day.You can't get any of your books read
and published hardly, you can't getany television and things like that. They're
not really that interested in you.But every one of these people will save

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for one or two that just theythrow TV shows at, they throw book
deals at, they throw all theseall this fame, so to speak at,
And they're the biggest bunch of liarsand charlatan's in the history of the
world. And they've been caught atit. One of the guys that has

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done this Rick Dyer in the Freezer, yea Rick Dyer hopes to everybody.
He admitted that he hoped everybody andhe said, I will hoax again and
everybody will believe me. Six monthsor a year later, he hopxed everybody
again, said that down at SanAntonio he nailed some ribs to a tree

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and killed a big foot, calledit Hank. They put it in a
trailer, was a little cargo trailersand a glass coffin. Drove around the
country and people paid fifteen dollars apump to go and look at this spake
bigfoot in a glass coffin kind ofthing, and then he come out high.
It was a hoax, I toldeverybody else, gonna hoax you again.

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I did, and y'all believed it, and people put him on TV
shows, they put him on talkshows, they put him on everything,
and it just seems like it washe told everybody it was John. It
seems like that's the wrong kind ofpress you want. But see the way
to get slept in the face,it is, especially if I pay money,

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right. I mean, the bottomline though, is people are gullible,
don't get me wrong. That's justkind of the way life is.
But at the same time, thisguy's making all his money by doing hoaxes,
claiming that their hoaxes, and that'swhy that's how he's getting the press.
It's uh, the pt Barnham school. I guess you could say any

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press is good press correctly, youknow. And another one that gets me
is, since the advent of socialmedia, anybody and everybody can all of
a sudden become a quote unquote cryptozoologists. They have no background in animal science,

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they have no background in anything thatwould have been an investigator, being
a police officer, anything that wouldlend to them being able to investigate anything,
And all of a sudden, theyhave a Facebook page, they have
a group, they have Instagrams,twitters, everything, and they've got thousands
upon thousands of people following them,and they're putting out jump footprints. You

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know, one of my biggest petpeeves is they'll show a picture of a
footprint and it's in the middle ofthe leaf littered forest, And in the
middle of a thousand acres of leaflittered forest, this is the one spot
that big foot stepped. And there'sa Christine footprint. There's not another footprint

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anywhere around it, and the groundas hard as a rock. And they
got this first thing footprint, andeverybody's like, oh my god, that's
the best footprint I've ever seen.That's such good evidence. And I'm going
it's fabricated, it's false, it'sfake, it's junk. I'm I'm looking
at it, and boy, ifyou come at them, if you dare

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say you think that that's fabricated orwhatever, you get attacked by all their
minions and you are just lower thanwhale turns. So, Jeff, let
me ask you, do you thinkthat a lot of people, because I
see it a lot in the paranormalfield, do you think a lot of
people just want to believe so badthat they are that delusional in their belief
system that they will become blind totruth and facts just to say it's real.

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Yeah. I've literally had people trackme down, find out where I
live, drive to my home tocome in my house, knock on my
door, come in my house,and sit on my couch and tell me
about centaurs living at Lake Nacodoches.Centaurs, we're talking half horse, half

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human animals that are living around LakeNacodoches. You know, just they've seen
them many times. And you know, I'm sider going half horse at the
body of a horse, the horseof a man coming out of it.
And you're gonna track me down anhour from your home, track me down
to come to my house to tellme about that. And I have people

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that that do think that just oh, I've got to tell you my story.
And of course I listen to everybodyand they'll tell me their story and
you can tell that it is it'slike wow. You start asking the questions
of you know, where did yousee this? What time of day was

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it, what time of how tallwas it was? This? Was?
That was? This? Is that? Can we go to the location?
And look, well, we can'tgo there? Well can't we? You
know, it's just there's there's lotsof things that you ask, you learn
over the years to ask. Butsome of those people are believable. The
well that the problem is probably notthat there's not that they're believable, but

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that they themselves believe what they're tellingyou. And you know, damn good
and well that it's that it's fake. It's a narcissistic crap right there.
Yeah, you know, being fromboth realms of paranormal and cryptozoological, I
believe now a certain amount of peopleare totally honest. They may have seen

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something, but they're thinking they sawsomething cryptozoological when they saw something paranormal,
right if you know, I hearpeople all the times say that Bigfoot can
cloak, he can go invisible,you know, he's got his Harry Potter
cloak on and he can go invisible. Well, in the realm of zoology,

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there is no precedent for a haircovered mammal to be able to do
anything. Now, and you know, fish and things like that, we
have certain species that can make theirbodies go translucent. I think you know,
cuttlefish, octopus, things like that. They can camouflage their bodies.

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Certain chameleons and different reptiles can camouflagetheir bodies, but none of them have
hair. Hair is not a livingthing that can change colors. So when
people tell me that, you know, I was sitting there looking at Bigfoot,
and Bigfoot just he just vanished,he just went invisible. I go

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to, well, this may bemore of a paranormal sighting than actual flesh
and blood. So that makes sensebecause I've heard the stories about Bigfoot moving
into and out of visibility through likeother realms like moving, you know,
But cryptal zoology it just it soundsmore sophisticated and said to say, paranormal

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investigation. No, well, no, I get that, but cryptozoology isn't
paranormal investigation. Fact yeah, fact. Oh by the way, really quick
We're gonna go to a break realquick hang out with I just want to
tell you that I do know oneperson that could that that could challenge you
on the human hair color changing theory. I'm just saying, I'm just saying,

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hello, anyway, they can't.They can't, he said, Yeah,
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do lots of cool things. Doyou know what I really were stretching that
I was stretching, I was,I was pausing, I was delaying.
Yeah I did, I got it. I got it all in there though,
all the social networks. And thenhe was debating should I say Facebook
and talk but just can take alot of time and the time Come on,

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Jeff, Yeah, let's get himback up here. Jeff Stewart,
Jeff Crypto Hulk Stewart. Welcome back, buddy. How are you? I
am ecstatic to be here. Itlooks like it though that I kind of
thought that. I mean, look, I got chosen. Good lord,
I'm hardly able to contain myself.This is the most excitement we've had on

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this show in a long time.Dude, we got excitement that was kind
of excited to see you were missingout that's the way grabbing too. Think
he did? Yes, I did. Yes. I'm a hugger myself,
so you know, yeah, Ilike I like hug. I like hugs.

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Jeff Poli, see you all threeof us three minute hug live stream.
There you go, and Rocky likesto live stream stuff. So Jeff,
I have a question for you.It goes back, It goes back.
You know what I mean when Isay the Patterson Gimmlin film, right,
of course real or no. Oneis a very close friend of mine.
What really? Yes? Oh that'sfantastic, So tell us about him

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and then tell us whether you thinkthat film is fake or not. Gimlin
is one of the nicest human beingsyou ever want to meet. He is.
He is just It is just sofunny that meet this man and sit
down. You feel like you're talkingto your grandpa because he's that loving and

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kind and nice. Um. Ihave well at a conference here a couple
of years ago. He had actuallygotten some death threats before the conference,
and I was asked, why wouldhe get death threat my table? Oh

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my gosh, y'all, y'all don'tknow. I get death threats on a
daily basis just about it because Idisagree with people or something like that,
and their minions will come at meand threaten to kill me. It's I'm
like, you know my address?Yeah, bring it on. I remember,
Jeff, Um, you know wheneverybody wanted to react from East Texas
that owns lots of guns, lotsof to come act me. No seriously,

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So, Jeff, do you rememberwhen when ghost Hunters and ghost Adventures
were super big and then everybody wantedto be ghost Hunters and ghost Adventures.
They got the cool up bits andthe cool T shirts and um, I'm
telling you it was like when therewas groups everywhere. It was territorial.
I mean, if a group wentinto like another small town, just be
like some game. Shit. Broreally yes, bro, Bro, I

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don't know. I did a televisionshow called Monsters and Mysteries in America.
Well, once I was done withthat, Destinated that was on the Destination
America channel. Destination America hired meto be a content creator for the show.
I did a podcast where I mentionedthat I was going to the Sam

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Houston National Forest to do some investigatingand scouting around that area for possible show
locations. The next thing you know, I had death threats. I had
people that investigated in that area thatwere on podcasts saying that if Jeff Stewart
comes in our area, We're goingto meet him with guns. We're going
to block his access to the SamHouston National Forest. We are going to

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be down every trail with air hornsand beating pots and pans, will make
sure that he can't investigate in ourarea. What why would people do that?
What is the point, I guess, And I mean, we're not
talking about private land here, We'retalking about public excess land. I mean,

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it's not like I was going tosomeone's grandmother's forty acre pond or something
like that and trying to catch theirbig fish, you know. I was
actually going to a public forest,a national forest, you know. And
it's just you get stuff like that. But you know, back to Bob

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and the Patterson Giblin film. Asmost people know, I have done a
few movies. I am a specialeffects fanboy. I grew up doing special
effects, making Halloween masks things likethat. Just got through doing a movie
called Man Versus Big where I didall the special effects for the movie and

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built actually built a big Foot costumefor the movie and The thing that strikes
me about the Patterson Giblin film isin nineteen sixty seven when this film was
report was supposedly filmed. When thisfootage, the technology to make a suit

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like they claim was made was noteven in Hollywood. Many of the top
special effects artists of the day saythey could not have made that suit with
what was available. Then now you'retelling me that a rodeo couple of rodeo
cowboys built a suit better than oneHollywood special effects artists could build in their

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garage. Well, in Rocky Latex, wasn't there the hair? They supposedly
they built it out of some oldbear rugs and remnants of bear hides and
things like that. Now, thisis a film that has not been able
to be debunked since nineteen sixty seven. With all our technology we have today,

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with all of our computers, everythingwe have, nobody can actually debunk
it. And coming being able todo Space X I could not build.
I could not have built that costume. Then many people today have tried to

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duplicate that costume been able to.So we're showing it on the screen right
now so people will understand. Thisis the Bigfoot with the boobs Rocky.
Yeah, the Patterson Gimblin film.This is the most famous, in my
opinion, the most famous bigfoot filmmade. That's all I seen. Although
Bryan is the boobs. Yes,sorry about that, Bud. And you

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have to ask yourself, why withtwo rednecks, redneck rodeo cowboys who are
gonna hoax somebody about a big foot, why would they have put boobs on
big Foot? Yeah, you wouldn'tthink to do that. That wouldn't be
in your mind to do. Plus, that would have added a level of
difficulty to building this costume. Andwe're talking about two like it keeps saying

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this, two rodeo cowboys with notaxidermy skills, no special effects artists skills.
And you tell me they created thathighly technical suit and put somebody in
it. And of course Bob Horonymushas come forward and he says, oh,
I was the guy in the Siouxand all of this, but nobody

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can produce a suit. But it'sbeen people say, oh, I've got
the suit, but nobody produced it. And here's another thing. Why would
Bob Gimlin Roger Patterson have lived theirlives in relative mediocrity as far as income
and things like that. They hadthat level of skill to do special effects,
why didn't they go to Hollywood andmake millions of dollars in the movie

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industry, Because if you think atthat time you had Planet of the Apes
was one of the biggest blockbuster moviesout. Their costumes look like plastic rubber
mask on people that they're there.Their special effects didn't look half that good.
You know, I gotta say something, Jeff, I'm watching this video
and I can't stop watching it now. Ryan, play it for a second.

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The part where this bigfoot turns aroundand looks there's a little creepy factor
I got going out right now.I mean just I mean, if something
did that to me in the woods, there would definitely be an exit from
a specific hole in my body.I'm just saying, wow. And you
know, I'm telling you putting actorsin bigfoot of costumes with masks and things

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they don't move that well, Yeah, you're talking about a rubber mask on
somebody in nineteen sixty seven. Itwouldn't have been latex. It would have
been rubber, you know what I'msaying. It wouldn't have been something that
was like your own flesh because theydidn't have that technology. Then it's just

(34:13):
crazy to watch. I mean,unless unless you know of something else,
and I'm sure you do. Butthis is probably the most famous bigfoot you
know video that's out there. Correct, This is the one that has not
been able to be one debunked.There's people that say, oh, it's

(34:34):
not real. Then there's people thatsay, oh it's real. But there's
never been anybody to come forward andsay, Okay, we've analyzed this,
We've ran it through this you know, nine twenty one spectrographic anemometer, and
boy it, we've we've proven thatit is fake. There's been nobody that

(34:55):
can do that. Now, oneday, somebody may come out proof that
it's facing. I'm gonna go,wow, man, that was so good.
It got me. But as ofright now, I'm willing to say
I can't see it being fake.Now. Interesting thing, that creature looks

(35:15):
nothing like the creatures that I havebeen face to face with, so it's
a different species. I don't necessarilyknow if it's a different species or just
as I mean, we look differentas human beings. I look different than
you, you look different than me. We're similar. We have two eyes

(35:37):
and nose, mouth, ears,our anatomical our anatomy. I guess the
best word is the same. Butwe look totally different. We don't look
like Oriental people. We don't looklike people from India or the Middle East
or you know, we don't looklike different ethnic people's people from different regions

(36:01):
of the world. You know,you have people of the Greeks who are
known to be a very hairy people. We've got people from you know,
the Polynesian Islands who don't have verymuch body hair. So if you takes
region by region, it could simplyjust be different. Bigfoot from different regions

(36:22):
look differently as we look different fromone another. I'd never thought about that
before, but I think, youknow, I started to say, because
you know, when you were talkingabout and you were describing on the last
show, and you were describing thisbeing that you know, jumped out of

(36:43):
the tree and landed near you andwas looking at you. What you described,
what I understood you to describe,was more of a to me,
more of a very hairy, mattedhair homeless person. That's I mean,
honestly, because you didn't specifically saythat it had ape like features. You
know what I'm saying, if youwould have, if you looked at this

(37:07):
thing in the face that I saw, both of them, that I saw
face to face. If you've everseen pictures of the old Australian Aboriginals from
like back in the nineteen twenties thirties, some of those old black and white
photographs, yeah, that's what itlooked like. The skin was a mahogany
brown color, almost shiny, oilylooking. The lips were very pronounced,

(37:30):
but not outside the realm of humanlips. Nose was broad and flat.
Eyes were very much You could seethe definition in the eyes, the detail,
but the sclera of the eyes wasalmost jaundice looking. It was kind
of yellow. But there it wasn'tbig black, dead doll eyes. It

(37:52):
was an eye with definite differences inthe sclera and the pupil and the retina
cornea, all of that kind ofstuff. There was difference, you could
see it. But looking at thisthing. Growing up, never heard tales
of big foot in the woods thatI hunted, but we were always cautioned
as kids playing and hunting in thewoods, watch out for the old hermits

(38:14):
that live out in the woods,the hobos, things like that that lived
out in the woods, and somebodywould come in and every once a wall
and say, oh my gosh,we saw hobo out in the woods or
something like that. And now mymind goes to, what if they didn't
see a hobo out in the woods. What if they actually saw a big
Foot creature? Entirely possible, Rocky, what are these images that you're I'm

(38:36):
wondering what that kid is doing onthat image right there. I'm just saying,
yeah, wow, okay, showthis picture here really quick. I
want us to see this picture.I don't know if it's gonna be a
good picture deep or if you caneven see it anything any resemblance. I
mean, that's almost like a human. This is a super hairy dood Okay.
That that looks like the creature fromthat Lance Hendrickson movie. Me,

(39:00):
uh, it's about Bigfoot. Reallygood movie, but similar to that,
but not quite that they said hardthose features were that creature. Yeah,
it's got that long top lip andthe lips are not really that large.
That that is that that's similar,but that doesn't look really Oh the hell,

(39:28):
I wouldn't want to run into thatthe freaking back alley. It's looking
at you Ryan, look at it. I see it and say it again
and again. Yeah, that onethat's way more photos are two Simian Yeah
monkeys. Oh my god, that'sfraud Standing. Go back, go back

(39:52):
the one before this one right there, that's fraud Standings. That's Todd Standing.
Um. That photo supposedly from ToddStanding up in Canada. Who not
that one? The one after it, the one of the one looks like
za peach buzz on his face.Yeah? Um, supposed in the dead

(40:13):
doll eyes and stuff. You know, Todd Standing claims that this is a
real picture of one of the bigfoot up in Canada. What and uh
yeah, yeah. And there's anotherone that he has that if you look
at it and a picture of himside by side, it looks like him
and makeup. You know, I'mnot don't take this the wrong way,
folks, don't take this wrong way. But for some reason, I just

(40:36):
felt like that one was probably morelike a bigfoot you'd find in Japan.
Uh. I can see that.I'm feeling that. I'm just saying,
do you feel it? Yeah,Hey, Jeff, pull your camera back
a little bit. It's all upin your face. It's all some reason
I'm having a hard time hearing,so I'm kind of holding it close so
I can hear you. Guys,he was just getting closer closer, But

(41:00):
no, I mean if you did. Yeah, we're looking at a different
images, and any of these imagescould be similar to what you saw.
But quite honestly, just to havethe conversation with someone who has put their
eyes physically on a creature like this, been able to talk about it,

(41:20):
things like that, and quite honestly, for me, for it to have
happened so close to where I live, I mean, you know, I've
got friends of mine that live inArkansas, friends that live in like you
guys in East Texas, and Ihad no idea that even it was possible
to see things like that in EastTexas. Hell, I've walked around in
the woods out there, never evenencountered, you know, the slightest But

(41:45):
I think at one point we wantto know. That's a good point.
That's a real good point. Andpeople bring that up all the time.
I get guys that come up tome, you know, and they're like,
man, I've hunted these woods mywhole life and I ain't never seen
me no big foot. And I'mlike, well, guess what. I'd
hunted in my whole life too,and never saw one until I saw one
and I hit them with this.The black footed ferret is native to East

(42:10):
Texas, but I guarantee you can'tfind one out of a thousand people in
East Sexas it's ever seen one inthe wall. Okay, good point.
I mean there are all manners ofanimals that live in the woods of East
Texas and people don't see them.People have never seen a screech owl.

(42:30):
You've heard a screech owl, butyou've probably never seen a screech owl because
a screech owl is about, youknow, six inches tall. You know
they're not you're big barred owl oranything like that. What do they say
in regards to the strength of abigfoot? You know, I know nobody's
really gotten a ring and scrapped witha big foot. But you know,
when we talked about a silver back, what do they say, they're like

(42:51):
three times the strength of a humanbeing a human man. It's the same
theory five times. Oh, Idon't think a chimpanzee one hundred and twenty
pound chimpanzee is about about three tofive times stronger than a one hundred and
ninety to two hundred pounds human mail. They I mean, they literally can

(43:14):
rip your face off apart. Theywill eat your eyeballs. And when you're
talking about the strength of a mountaingorilla, we're talking about we couldn't even
I mean, we couldn't even putup a good fight if one of them
decided to come at us. There'sno way possible. I mean, Schwarzenegger
couldn't fight him, get he'd gethis butt handed to hum. There's no

(43:39):
it's all speculation. You know.Everything with big Foot is theory and speculation
because we have nothing. There isno proofs, there's no study, there's
you know, we didn't even knowanything about the mountain gorilla until somebody went
and spent years living in the woodswith them, can do that and the

(44:00):
jungle with them, and wrote downeverything they saw them do. And until
we have a comprehensive study like thaton Bigfoot, everything speculation. But you
know, we would think that ifthey if they are more on the lines
of a prehistoric type human being likeHeidelbergensis or Neanderthal or something like that,

(44:25):
then their strength would probably be verycomparable to our own. But if we
think that they are more akin tothe gorilla. That they are more of
an ape than a humanoid, thenwe would have to think that their strength
would be more along the lines ofthe ape the simians. That's tough,

(44:46):
and it's reasonable to think that.I mean, but everybody's afraid of Bigfoot.
When it comes right down to it, do you do you fight it?
Do you run from it? Doyou shoot it? Dude, if
you're if your family was in danger, would you scrap with Bigfoot to try
to protect your family? Straight up? Of course I'd lose, But of

(45:07):
course I would. Dude, Igot you would do that too. Well,
what did you think about something?Think about this when we talk about
being, you know, seven feetthink about somebody like Shaquille O'Neill being seven
feet tall. Think of the amountof muscle that is owned him. You
know, he's not a bean pole. These creatures aren't tall, skinny bean

(45:30):
poles. They're very muscular, veryrobust, and so if you're talking about
somebody that's built like Shaquille O'Neill,believe me, if you got in a
wrestling match, I don't know abouta boxing match, but if you got
in a wrestling match with Shaquille,he could probably overpower you without thinking twice.
That is no joke. I feelpretty confident about that. That is

(45:51):
no joke. Hey, Jeff,we're gonna, we're gonna we've got an
announcement we've got to make to theseguys here, so we're gonna go.
We're gonna let you go. Butlisten, brother, we'd love to have
you back again. You've got greatinformation and we appreciate you on short notice
coming invested with us again tonight,uh and talking about it fun. Yeah,
thank you. And one of thesedays I want to I want to
meet Bob Gimlin. That'd be great. How don't know is he still alive?

(46:15):
Oh gosh, mister Bob, he'sstill going around the conferences and uh
um he has a really good uhfriend of mine that travels with him,
and uh they go to conferences andH. Russell Accord is his name,
and Russell takes care of Bob andmake sure Bob's safe and Bob gets to

(46:36):
and from where Bob needs to go. And how long is he now?
Probably in his nineties? Oh gosh, thank him. Bob's eighty something.
You gotta forgive me. I wantedto say eighty six eighty eight. I
could be wrong. Someone correct meif I'm wrong out there, because if
I'm positive I'm wrong, if thatfilm was in sixty seven, that would

(46:59):
make it about right. Eighties,late eighties, early nineties, something like.
All right, ye, he isas spry as you would want.
I want to be like that one. Jeff, we love him. Stewart,
Thank you, friend, take care, Thanks, Jeff appreciate Yeah,
all right, ladies and gentlemen.Jeff Stewart, Dude, I got an

(47:19):
idea. All right, what's that. Let's fight a damn kangaroo. Let's
fight a kangaroo. You can payten dollars at a carnival and you can
go total toll with the kangaroo.Literally, dude, they will deck you.
Dude. There's a video out thereof a guy freaking punch in a
kangaroo. So I think somebody's visualizingit right now. Yeah, somebody's visualizing
it. See. All you gottado is get him to kick you in
the head one. Oh you keepme in the face. Oh, I'll

(47:43):
be so mad. But I cometo nothing about it, all right,
So what's the what's what's happening?Um? We are going to a film
Ron jumping out of a plan.That is not the case. That is
not the announcement. It's not evenclose to the announcement. The announcement is
the announcement is is that I getset up? You didn't get set up?
Is that? Uh, Tomorrow night'sshow will likely be a replay?

(48:07):
That's it. Yeah, not atyou. I'm not mad at you at
all, dude, I'm not seeingyou at all. But something came up
with one of our family members andthen we need to take care of that
business. And I guess you know, I'm hoping everybody can understand that.
So it'll be our it'll be ourfirst replay, So we'll knock that out

(48:28):
tomorrow night. I'm not even surewhat I'm gonna put up yet, but
I'll put up something. We probablywill not have video associated with it tomorrow
night, so it'll just be areplay on our heart radio. Um,
but you guys listen if you can, and we'll pick a good one to
put up. Dude. Maybe we'lljust do like we're you know, we're
we're gonna be different locations, butmaybe we'll tie in and just do a

(48:49):
quick live stream on Facebook just leteverybody. Yeah, we could probably do
that, you know, just asa little treat because we are devoted.
Man. Yeah, we just Imean, quite honestly, we're both kind
of had a loss because we don'tknow really what we want to do tomorrow.
No, no, no, Rod, no, no, what do
you want? I told gonna doit? Hit that gold button, bro,
it hit the gold button. I'mtelling you this, skip Desip said,

(49:14):
did we did? We just getbest of Oh uh, folks,
it is what it is. Lifegets in the way when you do it
when you do a weeknight, everynivery week night show. So just follow
along and you'll understand. That's allI can say. Yeah, yeah,
without a doubt. Yeah, we'renot going to looking for somebody with the

(49:34):
baseball bat, you know what I'msaying. That's Saturday night and I can't
even say we're going to an investigationthat happens to be at the same time
as what our show is. Can'tsay that, dude, that's a hell
of a point. But you know, we'll be broadcasting live from an undisclosed
location. That's a potential. It'sa potential. Yep, We're doing it.
And we're gonna film Ron Philips goinginto a location by him, Scott

(49:54):
says him and Audrey, I'll dothe show for us. Come on,
I want to explain something. See, Ron has been beat up since I
told him. He's trying to actlike he's totally okay with it. Because
listen to me, folks, Whenwe commit every single night to hang up
with all of you for an hour, it actually we feel like we abandoned

(50:15):
the listener when we have to putin a replay. Am I at all
close and accron on that? Well? Yeah, I mean I want people
to get the entertainment value out ofthe show, but everybody has to understand
that we have lives outside of theshow, believe it or not. Right
much, just a little bit morethan what we have. You know,
we don't got a lot of friends. You know. Ron went for a

(50:37):
jog today. I'm proud of you. I actually did for a long walk
in a little bit of a jog. It's show. It's crazy carrying this
way around. I got to dosomething. I'm proud of your brother.
Thank you. I'm proud of you. Appreciate Yeah. So I think the
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will have a slightly different opinion onthat they will so and nobody will be

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