Ep 30223: Abnormal Realities

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The greatest living collection of freedom fundamentalists. Mojoe five. Journey into the matrix
of the mind. Stretch your imaginationand challenge reality. Abnormal realities are beacons
for the imagination. What society deemsthe abnormal maybe more real than we think.

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This is abnormal Realities. With yourhosts, Ron Phillips and Rocky Stucci,
is it really illegal to bring catsinto Mexico? I have no idea.
I doubt it. I doubt it. I don't they have like a
critter problem at all. Okay,all right, sorry, I'm working on

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it, working with the gas.I got this false Welcome to the program,
emotional meet Paul here, Rocky Stucci, and we have my brother at
arms, mister Ron Phillips. Whatyou're seeing right now, this is a
different mode of Ron Phillips, folks. So if you're watching, this is
what we call producer Ron fate.Hey man, this is what happens when
stuff doesn't go like it's supposed to. I know, and I know how

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you get. I remembering when we'rein South Carolina. Dude, you had
game face for like four hours untilthat studio got set up. I did,
Yeah, I was, yeah,I was I was focused. Tell
you go ahead, let's bring brotherJeff in. We got a fun show
for you tonight. It is Thursday, Thursday Thursday, folks visit the website
Abnormal Realities dot com. Um,dude, dudes, I said, dude

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to the audience. Professional was that? Wow, dudes, I'm gonna take
a sup my coffee. I gottatell you guys something. Oh yeah,
he's got to tell you something andit's serious. What is all the beeping
going on? Um? That was? I think that was over here.
So um, I saw a ghostanimal in Ron studio today. That's what

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he keeps saying. That's what hekeeps saying. He said he called it
out of the corner of his eye. What does that mean a ghost animal?
Was it like a raccoon? Bigfoot? Well, it looked more like
a like a demon dog. I'mjust saying, why would that be?
I don't know. The first partwas really unnecessary, but I just needed
a reaction from Ron Phillips because he'sa producer mode and it's stressing me out.

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Dude. You know, look,if this was you doing your own
show, yes, right now,I'm super comfortable. Hey. By the
way, Andrew Speck is in thechat room. I just want to thank
him for his order. He isa huge supporter of my son's lures.
Uh, you guys go check itout. We published a bunch more today
wayfinder lures dot com. Wayfinder luresdot Com. No, Um, I

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was sitting here earlier, and UM, I'm not lying. I mean literally,
I'm totally serious. Did you guysever feel like you've seen and I
heard it and I believe it.Run I'm not asking no questions. You're
typing right now, so I'm justtalking with everybody right here, please,
right there, Thank you. Um. I've heard ton of stories and you
guys in the chat room, Iwant to hear it. Ton of stories

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in regards to like when you losean animal, a cat, a bird,
Um, no, not so mucha bird. That was kind of
dumb. Don't know why I saidthat. Part a cat or a dog?
Do you think you see it?You think you feel it? I
truly believe that you do. Right, my parents, One time, I'm
not talking to you, Ron myparents. One time, I was gonna

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turn to you and talk to you, but no, I don't want to
look at you right now. I'mdoing dude, I'm not interrupting you.
All right, So, um,they were they were laying in their bed.
Don't look at me, You're gonnado your thing. They were.
They were laying on the bed andI'm sure, um at folio pajamas.
My dad likes this Slanna pajamas.And one time at the end of the

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bed, my mom saw a blackIt was a small dog, but still
big enough to be able to peekover the bed. She didn't say anything
at first and literally bro literally liketwo seconds later, my dad looks over
at my mom and he goes,did you just see that? Did you
just see that? So my dadsaw it without even without even ignow ologene

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my mom and vice versa. Sothey both saw it independently and then confirmed
that they both saw it. Somy question to you is do you believe
because run just listen. You know. Look, they're people that are super
staunch in the religious beliefs that theybelieve that animals don't have souls. Okay,

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But the question is though, Okay, so we think a dog will
have a soul because a dog soulslove and compassion. Horses have souls,
cats have souls? Do bugs havesouls? Do spiders have souls? Because
technically their energy. So if youbelieve in the reincarnation theory, the reincarnation
theory means you cannot create nor destroyenergy. It just converts one from one

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form to the other. Right,So that tue no matter if it's a
small, tiny ant, it stillpossesses even if it's minute energy. So
in that ant dies, like whenI catch that fire ant mount on fire,
there's a whole bunch of little antsgoing into light literally, right,
So do they reincarnate um or dothey have souls? Because it's still a

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living mechanism. Isn't being living being? But or do you believe that you
have to be able to possess aform of love and feel that emotion of
love to be able to have asoul? As their guidelines is there,
you know, as their lines onthe sand. I would have loved to
know what people think about that,because I've had that discussion with people several

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times whether or not animals have souls, because this was the whole thing about
human beings. We possess one specifictrait as a mammal that other mammals don't
possess. Right, what is thattrait? Love? No, the ability
to blush did you know that Ilove you? Okay, I love you?

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Man? Yeah? Stop Yeah.So that's uh, that's that's the
thing. So I'd love to know. So wait a minute, dude,
silverbacks can blush. I seen it? Have you? Dude? Michael Jackson's
chimpanzee blushed all the time. Haveyou seen it? No? But maybe

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you would think Michael jackson chimpanzee wouldblush all the time, because you know,
I'm not implementing nothing that's right.But you know what I'm saying,
take a let's stop showing my alien'sass. What you said it? I
didn't say it. Okay. Wedo have our guests ready whenever we're oh,
brother, bring him. He's gotthat look on his face, like,
what in the hell are y'all talkingabout? Hey, Jeff, can

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you hear us? Man? Youknow, Jeff, you walked in at
a perfect time. Serious question.We're gonna jump right into this, dude,
chimpanzees blush bolle Come on, Jeff, Come on, Jeff, do
you have two different come ons righthere? You know, in order in

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order for a chimpanzee to be ableto blush, they would have to be
able to feel some sort of emotion. That would cause them to blush.
Oh, they're pretty straight to thepoint. Yeah, and they You're right,
so they that's really actually a prettyprofound You would have been better off
asking him at bigfoot blushes. Allright, all right, let's let's go

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to the second part of this question, because now this is serious, because
this is something I'm pond it fora long time. When it comes to
animal souls, I know some people, very staunch Catholics that believe that animals
do not have souls. Do you, sir, believe that animals have souls?
And I kind of mentioned the reincarnationtheory everything is energy, even all

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the way down to an ant.But let's keep this more to the animal
part, right, Do you,sir, believe that animals all have souls?
Or do some have souls or none? You know, this is a
difficult question for a lot of people. Um, being of Native American the

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sense and having certain beliefs that arerooted in that culture, believe that animals
do possess a soul as we understandsoul a spirit um. I'm of the
belief that God created nothing that wasnot worthy of a soul of a spirit

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um. It's hard to believe thatsomething like a dog or a cat,
or any animals that you've spent timewith that shows you what we perceive as
love and affection could not have asoul. That's a fantastic answer. That's

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really good. That's good. I'veworked with a lot of animals in my
lifetime, everything from uh time tigersand lines to chimpanzees, and I have
found that every one of them,if given the opportunity and time spent with
them, all expressed a certain amountof care, love, what we perceive

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as love, and just something reallyuncanny. Even back when I was working
with tigers, I worked as ateenager. There was a guy that lived
in the town of Tennehall that hadbred big cats for Barnum and Bailey and
Wringling Brothers circuses, and I workedfor him taking care of those cats.

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And my job every day I tooka seven hundred and fifty pound male tiger
Bengal tiger to a pond to goswimming, and this tiger and I built
up such a bond that this tigerwould cry whenever it saw me. It
would they would actually cry out,and it would make noises, and when

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I was coming, it would getexcited, and when I would leave,
it would get sad. And youcould tell that these emotions were there in
this cat. So I have tobelieve that if they're capable of showing these
emotions, that they're not just mindlessdrones, that they do have some It

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may not be the same soul thatyou and I have, but I have
to believe that they have something.I agree it's some type of energy.
I mean, I've seen videos,not doctored videos, of dogs crying on
the grave of their owner or onthe casket because they were sad that their
owner wasn't Therety, I mean,yeah, I'm with you on that.
Just it's kind of a what aboutthat? Crazy about all the animals throughout

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history that have been seen as ghostlyapparitions that you know, there's always been
a ghost dog or a ghost cat, or a ghost deer, or there's
been some kind of the animal apparitionthat has been seen. You know,
old farmer Johnson loved this dog andthe dog lived for twenty years, and
now that same old dog can beseen at the farm or something like that.

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You know, if these be theseanimals didn't have some sort of,
like you said, an energy,a spirit, a soul or something like
that. How could they still beprojecting a image, you know, a
ghostly image. That's a damn goodquestion. But that dog you saw that

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night, I thought about that.I promise you that somebody didn't have a
soul. I thought about that.When he's talking, I didn't want to
jump in with it. I feltthat, Yeah, that one was that
one came from somewhere else. Hell. Did he come from hell? Probably?
Okay, Yeah, if you guysdon't know what we're talking about,
go back and watch a Jeff's firstinterview with us, and he tells the
story of the demon dogs. Thatstuck with us for a little bit.

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That did stick was, Yeah,I went home and I didn't talk to
my dogs for two days. Sowe've got Jeff on tonight because for a
specific reason, Jeff messaged me andhe says, hey, let's do a
show where we talk about proving hoaxersin the crypto and paranormal worlds. So,
Jeff, you obviously have experience withthis. M a big time.

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Oh. I was asked to beon a television show many years ago,
when the bigfoot craze first started hittingTV. There was a show that was
called the ten million dollars Bigfoot Bounty, and I interviewed to be on this
show, and during the course ofthe interview, I made it all the

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way through to the end, andthe guy said on the skype interview,
he was like, well, justa question if you were asked to Maybe
he didn't use the word hoax,but he said, if you were asked
to fabricate some evidence or do somethingjust for the sake of good television,

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would you And I said, no, Hey, you didn't make it on
the show. Yeah, but youknow what, dude, I'll tell you
something. You know, damn well, you know damn well that there is
a plenty of people out there thatwould have no problem that would have said
yes. And they did, andthat's why they made it onto the show.
Absolutely well. It ends up thatthis exact same show called me back

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when they were going to be onfor a second season, called me back
and asked me if I would jointhe crew of the show and if I
would go out and I would plantevidence, fake evidence for these people to
find. Now, they said thatthey were wanting to see if these people
could tell the difference between real andfake evidence. They did not say,

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they were going to use that evidenceto to hoax the public. They were
going to use that evidence to seeif they confer. Yeah, and I
still turned it down because I didn'twant my name associated with any type of
hoaxing whatsoever. So so Jeff,let me ask you, because what you're
talking of. One of my biggestfrustrations is the when you when you refer

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stuff like this, and you know, even doctor shows and police uh police
show as cop shows, it createssuch a false perception of really, really
what the experiences are. And sowhat is your level of frustration? I
know what mine is, and I'mpretty vocal about it, But what's your
level of frustration when you you yourself, people like me, people that you

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know, Royn's getting into this,and my small small circle of people we
take this serious as serious as life, our research in the paranormal I am
speaking of. How does that makeyou feel when you devote your re search
into something and then you will havethese charlatans like that that come out publicly
and misrepresent actually the real work behindit. What aggravates me the most is

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that when you're very honest, youhave integrity, and you're out there doing
a genuine effort. You're making agenuine effort to look at real evidence,
debunk everything that's debunkable, disprove everythingthat's disprovable, and see what you're left

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with and then go from there investigatingwhat you're left with to see what's what.
And you can't get the time ofday. You can't get any of
your books read and published hardly,you can't get any television and things like
that. They're not really that interestedin you. But every one of these

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people, save for one or twothat just they throw TV shows at,
they throw book deals at, theythrow all these all this fame, so
to speak at, and they're thebiggest bunch of liars and charlatan's in the
history of the world. And they'vebeen caught at it. One of the
guys that has done this Rick Dyerin the Freezer, Ye remember him.

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Rick Dyer hoaxed everybody. He admittedthat he hoped everybody, and he said,
I will hoax again and everybody willbelieve me. Six months or a
year later he hoaxed everybody again.Said that down at San Antonio he nailed
some ribs to a tree and killeda big foot, called it Hank they
put it in a trailer, waslittle cargo trailers and a glass coffin drove

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around the country and people paid fifteendollars a pomp to go and look at
this spake bigfoot in a glass coffinkind of thing and then come out high.
It was a hoax. I toldeverybody else, gonna hoax you again,
I did, and y'all believed it, and people put him on TV
shows, they put him on talkshows, they put him on everything,
and it just seems like it wasthey told everybody it was John And it

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seems like that's the wrong kind ofpress you want. But thee the way
to get slept in the face,it is, especially if I pay money,
right, I mean, the bottomline though, is people are gullible,
don't get me wrong. That's justkind of the way life is.
But at the same time, thisguy's making all his money by doing hoaxes,
claiming that their hoaxes, and that'swhy that's how he's getting the press.

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It's uh, the pt Barnham school. I guess you could say any
press is good press, just correctly, you know. And another one that
gets me is since the advent ofsocial media, anybody and everybody can all
of a sudden become may quote unquotecrypto zoologists. They have no background in

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animal science, they have no backgroundin anything that would have been an investigator,
being a police officer, anything thatwould lend to them being able to
investigate anything. And all of asudden, they have a Facebook page,
they have a group, they haveInstagrams, twitters, everything, and they've

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got thousands upon thousands of people followingthem, and they're putting out jump footprints.
You know, one of my biggestpet peeves is they'll show a picture
of a footprint and it's in themiddle of the leaf littered forest, And
in the middle of a thousand acresof leaf littered forest, this is the

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one spot that big foot stepped.And there's a Christine footprint. There's not
another footprint anywhere around it, andthe ground as hard as a rock,
and they got this pristing footprint,and everybody's like, oh my god,
that's the best footprint I've ever seen. That's such good evidence. And I'm
going it's fabricated, it's false,it's fake, it's junk. I'm I'm

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looking at it, and boy,if you come at them, if you
dare say you think that that's fabricatedor whatever, you get attacked by all
their minions and you are just lowerthan whale turns. So, Jeff,
let me ask you, do youthink that a lot of people, because
I see it a lot in theparanormal field, do you think a lot
of people just want to believe sobad that they are that delusional in their

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belief system that they will become blindto truth and facts just to say it's
real. Yeah, I've literally hadpeople track me down, find out where
I live, drive to my hometo come in my house, knock on
my door, come in my house, and sit on my couch and tell

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me about centaurs living at Lake Nacodoches. Centaurs, We're talking half horse,
half human animals that are living aroundLake Nacodoches. You know, just they've
seen them many times. And youknow, I'm sidered going half horse at
the body of a horse, thehorse of a man coming out of it.

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And you're gonna track me down anhour from your home, track me
down to come to my house totell me about that. And I have
people that that do think that.Just oh, I've got to tell you
my story and of course I listenedto everybody and they'll tell me their story

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and you can tell that it is. It's like wow. You start asking
the questions of you know, wheredid you see this? What time of
day was it, what time ofhow tall was it was? This was?
That was? This was that?Can we go to the location?
And look, well, we can'tgo there? Well can't we? You

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know, it's just there's there's lotsof things that you ask, you learn
over the years to ask. Butsome of those people are believable. The
well that the problem is probably notthat there's not that they're believable, but
that they themselves believe what they're tellingyou, and you know, damn good
and well that it's that it's fake. It's a narcissistic crap right there.

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Yeah, you know, being fromboth realms of paranormal and crypto zoological,
I believe now a certain amount ofpeople are totally honest. They may have
seen something, but they're thinking theysaw something crypto zoological when they saw something
paranormal, right if you know,I hear people all the time say that

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Bigfoot can cloak, he can goinvisible. You know, he's got his
Harry Potter cloak on and he cango visible. Well, in the realm
of zoology, there is no precedentfor a hair covered mammal to be able
to do anything. Now, andyou know, fish and things like that,

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we have certain species that can maketheir bodies go translucent. I think
you know, cuttlefish, octopus,things like that. They can camouflage their
bodies. Certain chameleons and different reptilescan camouflage their bodies, but none of
them have hair. Hair is nota living thing that can change colors.

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So when people tell me that,you know, I was sitting there looking
at Bigfoot, and Bigfoot just hejust vanished, he just went invisible.
I go to, well, thismay be more of a paranormal sighting than
actual flesh and blood. So thatmakes sense because I've heard the stories about
big Foot kind of moving into andout of visibility through like other realms like

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moving, you know. But crypticalzoology, it just it sounds more sophisticated
and said as saying paranormal investigation.No, well, no, I get
that, but cryptozoology isn't paranormal investigation. Fact yeah, fact. Oh by
the way, really quick, we'regonna go to a break real quick hang
out with this. I just wantto tell you that I do know one

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person that could that that could challengeyou on the human hair color changing theory.
I'm just saying, I'm just sayinghello. Anyways, they can't,
they can't, he said, Yeah, abnormal Realities folks right here, Mojo
five or radio honestly, radio ops, Lens, dot Com, I Heart
radio and broadcasting around the world.Ladies and gentlemen, do not go anywhere.

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we do lots of cool things.Do you know what I really were stretching
that I was stretching? I wasI was pausing, I was delaying.
Yeah, I did, I gotit. I got it all in there
though, all the social networks.And then he was debating should I say
Facebook and talk but just can takea lot of time and the time Come
on, Jeff, Yeah, let'sget him back up here. Jeff Stewart,

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Jeff Crypto Hulk Stewart. Welcome back, buddy. How are you?
I am ecstatic to be here.It looks like it though that I kind
of thought that. I mean,look, I got chosen O. Good
lord. I'm hardly able to containmyself. This is the most excitement we've

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had on this show in a longtime. Dude, we got excitement,
but I was kind of exciting tosay you were missing out. That's grabbing
too. Think he did yes Idid. Yes, Yeah, I'm a
hugger myself, so you know,yeah, I like I like hug.

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I like hugs. Jeff pol seeyou all three of us three minute hug
live stream. There you go.And Rocky likes to livestream stuff. So
Jeff, I have a question foryou. It goes back, it goes
back. You know what I meanwhen I say the Patterson Gimlin film,
right, of course? Real orno One is a very close friend of
mine. Really, yes, Ohthat's fantastic, So tell us about him

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and then tell us whether you thinkthat film is fake or not. Jim
is one of the nicest human beingsyou ever want to meet. He is.
He is just it is just sofunny that meet this man and sit
down. You feel like you're talkingto your grandpa because he's that loving and

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kind and nice. Um. Ihave well at a conference here a couple
of years ago. He had actuallygotten some death threats before the conference,
and I was asked, why woulddeath threat my table? Oh my gosh,
y'all, y'all don't know. Iget death threats on a daily basis,

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just about it because I disagree withpeople or something like that and their
minions will come at me and threatento kill me. It's I'm like,
you know my address? Yeah,bring it on. I remember, Jeff,
Um, you know when everybody wantedto regnact from East Texas that owns
lots of guns, lots of meto come at me. No, seriously,

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So, Jeff, do you rememberwhen when ghost Hunters and ghost Adventures
were super big and then everybody wantedto be ghost Hunters and ghost Adventures They
got the cool up bits and thecool T shirts and um, I'm telling
it was like when there was groupseverywhere it was territorial. I mean,
if a group went into like anothersmall tone just be like some gang shit.
Bro. Really yes, bro,Bro, I don't know I did.

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I did a television show called Monstersand Mysteries in America. Well,
once I was done with that,Destinated that was on the Destination America channel.
Well, Destination America hired me tobe a content creator for the show.
I did a podcast where I mentionedthat I was going to the Sam
Houston National Forest to do some investigatingand scouting around that area for possible show

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locations. The next thing you know, I had death threats. I had
people that investigated in that area thatwere on podcasts saying that if Jeff Stewart
comes in our area, we're goingto meet him with guns. We're going
to block his access to the SamHouston National Forest. We're gonna be down
retrail with air horns and beating potsand pans, will make sure that he

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can't investigate in our area. Whatwhy would people do that? What is
the point? I guess, AndI mean, we're not talking about private
land here, We're talking about publicexcess land. I mean, it's not
like I was going to someone's grandmother'sforty acre pond or something like that and

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trying to catch their big fish.You know. I was actually going to
a public forest, a national forest, you know. And it's just you
get stuff like that. But youknow, back to Bob and the Patrishon
Giblin film. As most people know, I have done a few movies.

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I am a special effects fanboy.I grew up doing special effects, making
Halloween masks things like that. Justgot through doing a movie called Man Versus
Bigfoot where I did all the specialeffects for the movie and built actually built
a Bigfoot costume for the movie.And the thing that strikes me about the

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Patterson Giblin film is in nineteen sixtyseven when this film was report was supposedly
filmed. When this footage, thetechnology to make a suit like they claim
was made was not even in Hollywood. Many of the top special effects artists

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of the day say they could nothave made that suit with what was available.
Then now you're telling me that arodeo couple of rodeo cowboys built a
suit better than one Hollywood special effectsartists could build in their garage. Well,
in Rocket Latex, wasn't there thehair They supposedly they built it out

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of some old bear rugs and remnantsof bear hides and things like that.
Now, this is a film thathas not been able to be debunked since
nineteen sixty seven. With all ourtechnology we have today, with all of
our computers, everything we have,nobody can actually debunk it. And coming

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being able to do Space X Icould not build. I could not have
built that costume. Then many peopletoday have tried to duplicate that costume been
able to. So we're showing iton the screen right now so people will
understand. This is the Bigfoot withthe boobs. Rocky. Yeah, the

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Patterson Gimblin film. This is themost famous, in my opinion, the
most famous bigfoot film made. That'sall I seen. Although Bryan is the
boobs. Yes, sorry about that, Bud. And you have to ask
why would two rednecks, redneck rodeocowboys who are gonna hoax somebody about a

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big foot, why would they haveput boobs on big Foot? Yeah,
you wouldn't think to do that.That wouldn't be in your mind to do.
Plus, that would have added alevel of difficulty to building this costume.
And we're talking about two like itkeeps saying this, two rodeo cowboys
with no taxidermy skills, no specialeffects artists skills, And you tell me

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they created that highly technical suit andput somebody in it. And of course
Bob Horonymus has come forward and hesays, oh, I was the guy
in the suit and all of this, but nobody can produce a suit.
But it's been people say, oh, I've got the suit, but nobody
produced it. And here's another thing. Why would Bob Gimlin Roger Patterson have

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lived their lives in relative mediocrity asfar as income and things like that,
if they had that level of skillto do special effects. Why didn't they
go to Hollywood and make millions ofdollars in the movie industry, because if
you think at that time you hadplanted to the Apes was one of the
biggest blockbuster movies out. Their costumeslook like plastic rubber mask on people that

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there. Their special effects didn't lookhalf that good. You know, I
gotta say something, Jeff, I'mwatching this video and I can't stop watching
it now. Ryan, play itfor a second. The part where this
big foot turns around and looks there'sa little creepy factor I got going out
right now. I mean just Imean, if something did that to me
in the woods, there would definitelybe an exit from a specific hole in

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my body. I'm just saying,wow. And you know, I'm telling
you putting actors in bigfoot costumes withmasks and things they don't move that well,
yeah, you're talking about a rubbermask on somebody in nineteen sixty seven.
It wouldn't have been latex. Itwould have been rubber, you know

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what I'm saying. It wouldn't havebeen something that was like your own flesh
because they didn't have that technology.Then it's just crazy. To watch.
I mean, unless unless you knowof something else, and I'm sure you
do. But this is probably themost famous bigfoot you know video that's out

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there. Correct, This is theone that has not been able to be
on debunked. There's people that say, oh, it's not real. Then
there's people that say, oh it'sreal. But there's never been anybody to
come forward and say, Okay,we've analyzed this, we've ran it through
this you know, nine twenty onespectrographic anemometer, and boy it, we've

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we've proven that it is fake.There's been nobody that can do that.
Now, one day somebody may comeout and prove that it's fake, and
I'm gonna go, wow, man, that was so good. It got
me. But as of right now, I'm willing to say I can't see
it being fake. Now. Interestingthing, that creature looks nothing like the

(35:17):
creatures that I have been face toface with, so it's a different species.
I don't necessarily know if it's adifferent species or just as I mean,
we look different as human beings.I look different than you, You
look different than me. We're similar. We have two eyes and nose,

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mouth, ears, our anatomical ouranatomy. I guess the best word is
the same. But we look totallydifferent. We don't look like Oriental people.
We don't look like people from Indiaor the Middle East or you know,
we don't look like different ethnic people'speople from different regions of the world.

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You know, you have people ofthe Greeks who are known to be
a very hairy people. We've gotpeople from you know, the Polynesian Islands
who don't have very much body hair. So if you takes region by region,
it could simply just be different.Bigfoot from different regions look differently as

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we look different from one another.I'd never thought about that before, but
I think you know, I startedto say, because you know, when
you were talking about and you weredescribing on the last show, and you
were describing this being that you know, jumped out of the tree and landed
near you and was looking at you. What you described, what I understood

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you to describe, was more ofa to me, more of a very
hairy, matted hair homeless person.That's I mean, honestly, because you
didn't specifically say that it had apelike features. You know what I'm saying.
If you would have, if youlooked at this thing in the face
that I saw, both of them, that I saw face to face.

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If you've ever seen pictures of theold Australian Aboriginals from like back in the
nineteen twenties thirties, some of thoseold black and white photographs, yeah,
that's what it looked like. Theskin was a mahogany brown color, almost
shiny, oily looking. The lipswere very pronounced, but not outside the
realm of human lips. Nose wasbroad and flat. Eyes were very much

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You could see the definition in theeyes, the detail, but the sclera
of the eyes was almost jaundice looking. It was kind of yellow. But
there it wasn't big black, deaddoll eyes. It was an eye with
definite differences in the sclera and thepupil and the ret in a cornea,

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all of that kind of stuff.There was difference, you could see it,
but looking at this thing. Growingup, never heard tales of big
foot in the woods that I hunted, but we were always cautioned as kids
playing and hunting in the woods,watch out for the old hermits that live
out in the woods, the hobos, things like that that lived out in

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the woods. And somebody would comein and every once a ball and say,
oh my gosh, we saw hoboout in the woods or something like
that. And now my mind goesto, what if they didn't see a
hobo out in the woods. Whatif they actually saw a big Foot creature?
Entirely possible, Rocky, what arethese images that you're I'm wondering what
that kid is doing that image rightthere. I'm just saying, yeah,
wow, Okay, show this picturehere really quick. I want us to

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see this picture. I don't knowif it's gonna be a good picture death
or if you can even see itanything any resemblance. I mean, that's
almost like a human. This isa superhiry dood. Okay that that looks
like the creature from that Lance Hendricksonmovie. Uh, it's about Bigfoot.

(39:05):
Really good movie, but similar tothat, but not quite that. They
said how hard those features were thatcreature. Yeah, it's got that long
top lip and the lips are notreally that large. That that is that
that's similar, But that doesn't lookreally Oh the hell, I wouldn't want

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to run into that the freaking backalley. It's looking at you, Ryan,
look at it. I see itand say it again and again.
Yeah, that one. That's waymore photos are too Simian. Yeah,
monkeys, Oh my god, that'sfroud Standing. Go back, go back

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the one before this one right there, that's Froug Standings. That's Todd Standings.
Um that photo supposedly from Todd Standingup in Canada. Who not that
one? The one after it,the one of the one looks like that
peach buzz on his face? Yeah? Um, supposed in the dead doll

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eyes and stuff. You know,Todd Standing claims that this is a real
picture of one of the big footup in Canada. What and uh yeah,
yeah. And there's another one thathe has that if you look at
it and a picture of him sideby side, it looks like him and
makeup. You know, I'm notdon't take this the wrong way, folks,
don't take this wrong way. Butfor some reason, I just felt

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like that one was probably more likea bookfoot you'd find in Japan. Uh.
I can see that. I'm feelingthat. I'm just saying, do
you feel it? Yeah, Hey, Jeff, pull your camera back a
little bit. It's all up inyour face. I'm having a hard time
hearing, so I'm kind of holdingit close so I can hear you.
Guys. I'm sorry, it wasjust getting closer and closer, but no,

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I mean if you did. Yeah, we're looking at at different images,
and any of these images could besimilar to what you saw. But
quite honestly, just to have theconversation with someone who has put their eyes
physically on a creature like this,been able to talk about it, things

(41:22):
like that, and quite honestly,for me, for it to have happened
so close to where I live,I mean, you know, I've got
friends of mine that live in Arkansas, friends that live in like you guys,
in East Texas, and I hadno idea that even it was possible
to see things like that in EastTexas. Hell, I've walked around in
the woods out there, never evenencountered you know, the slightest But I

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think at one point we want toknow. That's a good point. That's
a real good point. And peoplebring that up all the time. I
get guys that come up to me, you know, and they're like,
man, I've hunted these woods mywhole life and I ain't never seen me
no big foot. And I'm like, well, guess what I'd hunted in
my whole life too, and neversaw one until I saw one and I

(42:08):
hit them with this. The blackfooted ferret is native to East Texas,
but I guarantee you can't find oneout of a thousand people in East Texas.
It's ever seen one in the wall. Okay, good point. I
mean there are all manners of animalsthat live in the woods of East Texas

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and people don't see them. Peoplehave never seen a screech owl. You've
heard a screech owl, but you'veprobably never seen a screech owl because a
screech owl is about, you know, six inches tall. You know they're
not you're big barred owl or anythinglike that. What do they say in
regards to the strength of a bigfoot? You know, I know nobody's really
gotten a ring and scrapped with abig foot. But you know, when

(42:50):
we talk about a silver back,what do they say, They're like three
times the strength of a human being, a human man. It's the same
theory five times. I don't thinka chimpanzee one hundred and twenty pound chimpanzee
is about about three to five timesstronger than a one hundred and ninety to

(43:12):
two hundred pounds human Mail they Imean, they literally can rip your face
off apart. They will eat youreyeballs. And when you're talking about the
strength of a mountain gorilla, we'retalking about we couldn't even I mean,
we couldn't even put up in agood fight if one of them decided to
come at us. There's no waypossible. I mean, Schwarzenegger couldn't fight

(43:35):
him. He'd get he get hisbutt handed to him. Um, there's
no it's all speculation. You know. Everything with Bigfoot is theory and speculation
because we have nothing. There isno proof, there's no study, there's
you know, we didn't even knowanything about the mountain gorilla until somebody went

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and spent years living in the woodswith them and the jungle with them and
wrote down everything they saw them do. And until we have a comprehensive study
like that on Bigfoot, everything speculation. But you know, we would think
that if they if they are moreon the lines of a prehistoric type human

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being like Heidelbergensis or Neanderthal or somethinglike that, then their strength would probably
be very comparable to our own.But if we think that they are more
akin to the gorilla, that theyare more of an ape than a humanoid.
Then we would have to think thattheir strength would be more along the
lines of the ape. The simians. That's tough herself, and it's reasonable

(44:51):
to think that. I mean,but everybody's afraid of Bigfoot. When it
comes right down to it, doyou do you fight it? Do you
run from it? You shoot it? Dude, if you're if your family
was in danger, would you scrapwith Bigfoot to try to protect your family?
Car? Straight up? Yeah,of course I'd lose, But of
course I would. Dude, Igot you would do that too. What

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did you think about something? Thinkabout this when we talked about being,
you know, seven feet Think aboutsomebody like Shaquille O'Neill being seven feet tall.
Think of the amount of muscle thathas owned him. You know,
he's not a bean pole. Thesecreatures aren't tall, skinny bean poles.
They're very muscular, very robust.And so if you're talking about somebody that's

(45:37):
built like Shaquille O'Neill, believe me, if you got in a wrestling match.
I don't know about a boxing match, but if you got in a
wrestling match with Shaquille, he canprobably overpower you. Without thinking twice that
is no joke. Yeah, Ifeel pretty confident about that. That is
no joke. Hey, Jeff,we're gonna, we're gonna. We've got
an announcement we've got to make tothese guys here, so we're gonna go.

(45:59):
We're gonna let you go. Butlisten, brother, we'd love to
have you back again. You've gotgreat information and we appreciate you on short
notice coming in visiting whether us againtonight, uh and talking about it fun.
Yeah, thank you. And oneof these days I want to I
want to meet Bob Gimlin. That'dbe great. I don't know is he
still alive? Oh gosh, misterBob, he's still going around the conferences

(46:21):
and uh um he has a reallygood uh friend of mine that travels with
him and uh they go to conferencesand H. Russell Accord is his name,
and Russell takes care of Bob andmake sure Bob's safe and Bob gets
to and from where Bob needs togo. And how old is he now?
Probably on his nineties? Oh gosh, thank him. Bob's eighty something.

(46:49):
You gotta forgive me. I wantedto say eighty six, eighty eight.
I could be wrong. Someone correctme if I'm wrong out there that
if I'm positive I'm wrong, ifthat film was in Sick he seven,
that would make it about right eighties, late eighties, early nineties, something
like a right, yea, heis as spry as you would want.
I want to be like that one. Jeff, We love him. Stewart,

(47:13):
Thank you, friend, take care, Thanks, Jeff appreciate Yeah,
all right, ladies and gentlemen,Jeff Stewart, Dude, I got an
idea. All right, what's that. Let's fight a damn kangaroo. Let's
fight a kangaroo. You can payten dollars at a carnival and you can
go tot a toll with the kangaroo. Literally, dude, they will deck
you. Dude. There's a videoout there of a guy freaking punch in

(47:35):
a kano. So I think somebody'svisualizing it right now. Yeah, somebody's
visualizing it. See. All yougotta do is get him to kick you
in the head. You keep mein the face. Oh, I'll be
so mad, but I could donothing about it. All right, So
what's the what's what's happening? Um? We are going to a film ron
jumping out of a plane that isnot the case. That is not the

(47:55):
announcement. It's not even close tothe announcement. The announcement is the announcement
is is that I get set up? You didn't get set up? Is
that? Uh, tomorrow night's showwill likely be a replay, That's it.
Yeah, I'm not I'm not madat you at all, dude,
I'm not seeing you at all.But something came up with one of our

(48:19):
family members and then we need totake care of that business. And I
guess, you know, I'm hopingeverybody can understand that. So it'll be
our it'll be our first replay,So we'll knock that out tomorrow night.
I'm not even sure what I'm gonnaput up yet, but I'll put up
something. We probably will not havevideo associated with it tomorrow night, so
it'll just be a replay on ourheart radio. Um, but you guys

(48:39):
listen if you can, and uh, we'll pick a good one to put
up. Dude. Maybe we'll justdo like we're you know, we're we're
gonna be different locations, but maybewe'll tie in and just do a quick
live stream on Facebook just let everybody. Yeah, we could probably do that,
you know, just as a littletreat because we are devoted. Man.
Yeah, we just I mean,quite honestly, we're both kind of

(49:02):
had a loss because we don't knowreally what we want to do tomorrow.
No, no, no, Rod, no, no, what do you
want? I told gonna do it? Hit that gold button, bro,
do it hit the gold button.I'm telling you. The skip does it
said? Did we did? Wejust get best of Oh uh, folks,

(49:22):
it is what it is. Lifegets in the way when you do
it, when you do a weeknight, every nivery week night show.
So just follow along and you'll understand. That's all I can say. Yeah,
yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, we're not going to looking for
somebody with the baseball bat, youknow what I'm saying. That's Saturday night
and I can't even say we're goingto an investigation that happens to be at

(49:44):
the same time as what our showis. Can't say that, dude,
that's a hell of a point.But you know, we'll be broadcasting live
from an undisclosed location. That's apotential. It's a potential. Yep,
We're doing it, and we're gonnafilm Ron Philips going into a location by
him, Scott says, him andAudrey, I'll do the show for us.
Come on, I want to explainsomething. See, Ron has been

(50:05):
beat up since I told him.He's trying to act like he's totally okay
with it, because listen to me, folks, When we commit every single
night to hang up with all ofyou for an hour, it actually we
feel like we abandoned the listener whenwe have to put in a replay.
Am I at all close and Acronon that? Well? Yeah, I
mean I want people to get theentertainment value out of the show, but
everybody has to understand that we havelives outside of the show, believe it

(50:30):
or not. Right much, justa little bit more than what we have.
You know, we don't got alot of friends. You know.
Ron went for a jog today.I'm proud of you. I actually did
for a long walk in a littlebit of a jog. It's it's crazy
carrying this way around. I gotto do something. I'm proud of your
brother. Thank you. I'm proudof you. Yeah. So, I

(50:51):
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