Spiral: From the Book of Saw (Adam Sandler Film School)

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Welcome to Adam Sandler Film School,a look at how Adam Sandler's work has
affected film and therefore the world aroundus. I am your co host,
Robert Bacon. I'm Caleb George.A drinking water, I'm I'm Caleb George
and with me as always, it'soh that's what I say. Yeah,

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Yeah, it's been a while.I also was waiting for some sort of
cute Yeah, I forgot how wedid it. Just jumped right in.
When I heard nothing, I swallowedand just introduced myself as always. Uh,
you guys, we're back. Holyshit, we're back. Yeah,
we're back. It's so happy tosee you guys. Really excited to do

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this movie together. Just wanted tocheck in with everybody. How's everyone doing?
Murray, how are you doing?I'm good? Uh, Like I
said, off off, Mike,summer is back. The world is back
in a big way. I'm reallybusy. Um. I went back to
school. Wow, been away?So if you Billy Madison, h yeah,

(01:14):
it's a wild time. Back toschool for what I'm in portfolio school
for copywriting. Yeah, nice makingads writing copy Wow. On that note,
Caleb, how are you doing?I'm doing great. I'm I'm now,

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um, I'm really um. I'mkeeping busy as well. Um,
but I also clean fish tanks now, which is so you know you're taking
on a Rob Schneider hobby. I'mtaking I feel like the world is right
again. Yeah, making what RobSchneider hobby have you taken up? And

(01:57):
or career? I've been putting animalparts into my body, like sewing them
in, uh, in the hopesof getting animal powers. Um, but
instead it's just given me U septicshock. Yeah. You were in that
really bad single wheel contraption app accident. Yeah, the one wheel d one

(02:21):
wheel wheel. Yeah, it's calledjust a one wheel. Yeah, it's
called the one wheel. Yeah.A monowheel. Yeah, I got it
right. It's actually I mean theviewers can't see it, but I got
it right here. Oh wow,look at that wheel. Yeah, a
little wheel. Guys, it's abig man, a big man on a
little wheel. It's a mono.It's called a monowheel wheel, a one
wheel, a one wheel, yeah, instead of a uni wheel like a

(02:45):
unicycle. Oh no, that wasprobably already copyrighted. Uh, it's awesome.
Gets me around town. U goessixteen miles an hour, and it's
like a skateboard. Jesus Christ.Yeah, it's perfect if you If you
specific bit on that, I'm afraidfor you. Oh I've been it on
it several times. You know what? You know what Maria thought you were

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gonna say. I thought you're gonnasay. If I saw specifically you bacon
on a one wheel driving down thestreet, I'd be absolutely terrified. I
didn't say that I'd be terrified foryou. I think you're not terrified of
you. Sixteen miles an hour.That's six foot sixth frame coming at me.

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It's a lot of kinetic energy.Well, if you fell, it
would just be like a rectangle,like a like a vagrant log I look
like basically when I take a biff. Uh you guys? Uh? The
movie this week, well this year, I guess is we're watching Spiral The

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Book of Saw, starring Chris Rock. It was released on May fourteenth,
twenty twenty one. It's budget wastwenty million dollars. Marie Caleb, do
you think this made or lost money? Oh? Wow? Is it tough
one? Because that happened during apandemic too, So yeah. It was

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supposed to be released in twenty twentyobviously got pushed back when it was released
May fourteenth, a lot of peoplewere vaccinated by this point. I think
it lost money, but only becauselike theater movie theaters are coming back,
but they're not like fully back,you know. Yeah. My other consideration

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here is that you know a lotof these movies were doing both in theater
but also like on demand, andthose are twenty dollars whatever they were,
So I wonder if it made upany difference there. I'm gonna say,
so. You don't think it did, or you think it did, Marie,
I do not think it made itback. Just just to be contrarian

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and give another point of I'm gonnasay it did, but I think it
barely did. Okay, it madein the US twenty two million dollars,
oh good bye speked By, andthen worldwide it's at thirty six point four,
and technically I still think it's intheaters, so it could yea,
So it's made a little bit ofmoney, I think, Marie. What's

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helped it out is just the namesaw. Any saw a movie has a
lot of fans, A lot ofpeople are going to check it out,
and we're gonna and we're watching thisbecause it's got Chris Rock in it,
and Chris Rocks part of the AdamSandler Film School. We're not gonna watch
all of Chris Rocks films, butI think this one's kind of important because
he's a star. He produced,he's like a producer on it. He

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after it got written by two otherpeople. He did it another once over,
and he's the star of the film. So it's I think it's definitely
coverable. I didn't even know aboutit. Ruth, my girlfriend, she
was on YouTube just watching random latenight talk show interviews and she stumbled across
this Chris Rock interview where he's promotingthis film. And she didn't tell me

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what the film was. But Iwas a little hesitant at first because once
before she was watching something and she'slike, we need to check out.
It's a new movie. It's comingout. And then she told me about
it, and I was like,Ruth, that movie came out like six
years ago. You watch you're watchingan old YouTube a little high. She
is, Yeah, she gets reallycaught up in it. So then she

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says, well, no, it'sa new one. She says, um,
she said quote. Apparently Chris Rockis a big fan of the Saw
trilogy. Then I'm like, well, there's like eight movies. Yeah,
and she's like, oh, oh, okay, sorry. Uh. He's
a big fan of the Saw Bookof Business of franchise us. It is

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the business gap. She is hisroof closed and logos. She does,
right. She doesn't realize that.I mean for Jigsaw, it's just normal
business as you know, so jigsaw business that somehow you could have just
said Saw movies like business business.So we're laughing at that. And then

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I look up the title of thisand it's Spiral, the Book of Saw.
So she wasn't far off. Shejust like had combined the things in
her mind. Yeah. Yeah,like a mom. Yeah, you know,
like your mom does. Well.Yeah, sometimes she gets a lot
of sayings wrong because she's foreign.She's a she's a Canadian, so oh

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yeah, big time foreigner culture thatdoesn't understand you know. Sometimes you just
have cultural indifferences, like when shetries to put gravy on everything. Hey
poutine. Uh. Some quick news. Adam Sandler won't be doing the voice
of Dracula and the fourth Hotel Transylvaniafilm, but we're gonna watch it anyway.

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Yeah, we've come. We've comethis far, so we can't turn
back now. My question to youboth is do I I have never seen
any of the other Hotel transylvanias.Do I watch them? Or am I
just coming into the fourth one?As? What's the way I'm gonna blind

(08:33):
fresh? Yeah? Blind fresh?Those are those are very politeful? Oh
you were thinking like a Hotel TransylvaniaVirgin. Yeah, okay, Taken,
I don't know your take, butI would say he should not because the
movies really reference like past stuff thathas happened. So I don't know,

(08:56):
I think you would want to seethat first. I mean, it is
it's a lot. Well I shouldor should not watch it? I should?
Yeah? I um, I thinkCaleb, you know, if you're
up for it, I think youshould watch all three of them and then
just kind of record your own bonusepisode. Ye for Adam Sandler, please

(09:16):
stop and you could throw it upbecause you know, we don't have much
content now that we've gone through allof us, now that we've gone through
everything, um, watch for thePea sponge alone. Yeah, so that's
that's what i'd say. That thepeace when you get there, you'll know.
Yeah, you'll you can't miss peasponge. He only has like five

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seconds of screen time. It's gendered. I would say it's gender. I'd
say it's super gendered, super gendered. Yeah, it's a masculine. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's very masculine. It shows as penis several times.
Yeah, it references how how howmuch of a penis it has?

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And sports. So if you guyshave any films that you think we should
cover, uh, just reach outto us via voicemail, text same number
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of all that we got fanmail youguys that we got to go through because

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you know, I haven't really checkedin a really long time and it just
kind of piled up. So we'renot gonna Hi, So sorry about that.
Yeah, but we're not gonna Imean, we're not gonna get to
all of it. But what Ican do is play some. So here's
our first voicemail. Hi, myname is the sente Um. I don't

(10:48):
know why it's took me so longto call. I've been listening to your
podcast since I was a junior inhigh school and I'm a sophomore in college.
So, um, pretty pretty seriousfan right here. I grew up
in a family where everyone thought thatAdam Sandler and Kevin James and Rob Schneider

(11:09):
were always funny. And if yousquint, my dad looks like a Mexican
Adam Sandler. I don't know,Rob, sat your experience for you story
time, get ready. One timeI got in a fight with my dad
and you kicked me out of thehouse. So I was driving over to
stay of friends and the car infront of me was driving really slow,

(11:31):
and I was trying hard not toget upset because I'd just been kicked out,
and I realized that the car infront of me had one of those
little TVs in it for the kids, like the built in TV, and
I could see what they were watching. And it took me a while,
but I realized that the kid inthe car in front of me was watching

(11:52):
Norm of the North. No,that's what sent me over the edge.
Started crying and I made it tomy friend. But oh, Normal the
North. Yeah, you guys arereally cool. Um, and now you
can brag that a cool nineteen yearold listening to your podcast, because thank

(12:16):
god, I don't know. I'myoung and I'm hit, keep it up?
Yay, thank you? Yeah,so nice. And I'm sorry that
you got sent over the edge byNormal the North. Yeah but hard same

(12:37):
yeah, same for me. Yeah, you both got sent way over the
edge. Normal the North sends youto a place in your mind, a
dark place that's really hard to getout, back out from underneath Greater Brooklyn
areas that gotta get norm and theNorman in over here. Aren't there like

(13:01):
five more normal than norths too?Yeah? And we could always watch any
one of those. I remember Ididn't. I watch one by myself for
fun and was texting you guys.I think you did. Yeah, it
is nice to know that we haveyoung hip listeners. Yeah. Yeah,
my old ass trying to figure outwhat Billy eyelashes. Yeah, you guys

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are making fun of You guys aremaking fun of my one wheel. That's
what all the kids are on gettingaround. That's true. That's I'm not
seeing a single year. Tell usif one wheels are cool, I want
to know. I'm listening to Billyeyelash my iPods and I'm going around my
one wheels. I love that newAlive Olivia led Red Riego album and I'm

(13:50):
I'm riding around and having a goodtime. Am I cool? We got
another voice smail from Pinyada Time.I'm sorry, Hello, I'm Pinyata Time.
I just have to stumble across yourpodcast while sturfing through Spotify, mainly
looking for Beverly Hills Ninja, whichI will say, I actually liked that

(14:11):
movie, but I do understand yourcriticisms pards it Um. Anyway, I
wanted to suggest a movie to youguys. It's a movie called Balls of
Fury. I actually think it's prettyokay. It's got sort of a slow
beginning, but the last thirty minutesis really good. It's quite cold,
um. It has Christopher walking init, walking walking in it. It's
a It's a good movie. Ireally would suggest you guys check it out.
Oh. Also, while going throughyour back catalog, disagree with you

(14:33):
about Barnyard. I like Barnyard.I also like to see you good to
Kirk, but you know each theirown anyway, Ball of Fury pretty good
movie, but I said little beginning, but the last thirty minutes great and
your podcast also great. So thankstime, Thank you Pinyata Time. Um.

(14:54):
I mean fair critique. You're allowedto like what you like but Barnyard.
I mean, we had a lotof fun on Barnyard. I have
nothing but good memories about Barnyard andBeverly Hills Ninja. I think about the
palm tree thing anytime I see apalm tree. So I can see what

(15:15):
people like those movies. I hada lot of enjoyment out of them.
Yeah, and we were more sadthat, like they weren't better. But
it wasn't Chris's fault or Wall Barnyard, Barnyard, that's Nickelodeon's fault. Yeah.
I don't know Kevin James. Yeah, I think Kevin James was a
wash in that one. I don'tthink he helped her hurt it. I

(15:37):
will also say, recently watched Ballsof Fury, Oh you have? How
do you recently watched it? Ithink I like got a Star subscription and
so I was like going back througha lot of back catalog of movies,
like I rewatched like Men of Blacktwo and like a couple of them in
the Stars because I think it's onStars. I really liked it. It's

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I don't think it's the greatest moviein the world, but it is super
fun. I really like the aspsuniverse. I would not. I would
not, but i'd watch it.I would not the it's it's definitely has
a star studded cast of people,and I love Thomas Lynnon and I think
Thomas Lynnon wrote it with Ben Grantor the two guys that did an No.

(16:25):
Nine one one. I think theywrote it together. And Thomas Lynnon
is definitely in it and he's veryfunny um and so I enjoyed it,
but I don't know if it wouldbe an Adam Sandler please stop bookers,
but we'll put you know, anybodyelse if you see if you think of
something that we might have missed inthe Adam Sandler universe or the Kevin James
universe or the Rob Schneider piss hole, you let us know. Yeah,

(16:49):
definitely, absolutely. I mean,you know, if you think it's asps,
let's rock, let's go. Igot a lot of texts and email
else we're really far in. Butyou know what, there's gonna be a
long episode. Just deal with itbecause we don't have a lot of episodes.
So take a pause, you know, split up over a couple of
days. Here's a text I gotfrom Brody said, Hi, I'm a

(17:12):
big fan. Listen to all theepisodes, even at work when I wasn't
supposed to. Ha ha. Ijust wanted to say. I wanted to
text in and say that I applaudyou three are what you three are doing,
and bless you. Your Rob Schneiderepisodes are the best to listen to
because he's a short turd of ahuman being. Make I miss Bacon's old

(17:32):
dog bit. But Marie, eventhough Bacon left, you two are killing
it. Bacon, we miss youtwo. If you three could get together
again soon, it would be goorate. Thank you, Brody, and
we are I'm going to run throughthese because they're just so nice and you
know these people. I've been waitingpatiently. This is from Teresa, who

(17:56):
lives in Cape cod She says,Hi, I've been binging the entire Adam
Sandler please stop podcast for the pasttwo to three weeks. I lost track,
but I'm almost near the end ofthe episode, so I figured i'd
send in my Adam Sandler's story.Back in high school in Sacramento, California,
I ran cross country every year.About a week before Halloween, we

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had a huge race in Orange County. We'd travel too Sorry as a reward,
we get to go Oh. Asa reward, we get to go
to Disneyland the next day for thewhole day. I've done the race three
times, and every single time I'veseen Adam Sandler and his family at Disneyland.
This was twenty twelve through twenty fourteen, so after the tragic aftermath of

(18:41):
Jack and Jill and the production ofPixels. Sandler was wearing you guessed it,
cargo shorts and looked haggard. Hedidn't shave, wrinkles everywhere. The
last year I barely recognized him.He also looked so depressed. But who
knows. My hunch is at thelast part comes from Oh, My last

(19:06):
part comes from a security guard thatwas there to protect Sandler from fans.
Naturally, my teammates and I wantedto say hi and maybe get a picture
with him, but each time theguard said no, Adam isn't talking to
fans. He's with his family.And the last year I was at Disney,
the guard, same dude every year, gave gave us the notion that
Sandler wasn't doing so great and hewas kind of grumpy at Disney, even

(19:30):
with his family. I absolutely lovethe podcast and everyone a part of it.
You know, here's the thing.He might just not be a big
Disneyland fan, and that might mightbe an injury because I would probably look
like the same thing at Disneyland.I'd be like, I would have to
leave. He's going to Disneyland everyyear with his family. By the third
or fourth year, I'd be like, what else is there here? Can

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we want? What else could wevisit? You know where millionaires can go?
Any Yeah, I create a partfor you. What do you I
love? I mean, she sawhim there three years in a row,
and it's just amazing that, likehe was going the same week every year,
or he goes NonStop and that's whyhe's miserable. Either way, Well,

(20:14):
I don't know. I'll go intoDisneyland as a celebrity must be one
of the worst things in the entireYeah, of course, you know.
Yeah, so that one I get. We have We got a voicemail,
a few voicemails from Dylan from LasVegas. But he's driving with his windows
down, So sorry, buddy,I'm not playing it. It's I can
barely hear you. I just wantedto give a shout out because he said

(20:37):
really nice stuff. As I decipheredthrough it. He benched the podcast and
one thing that he wanted to pointout is how ridiculous it was that Adam
Sandler said that he was going tomake a bad film after Uncut Gems didn't
get nominated for an Academy Award.So that's something that we talked about.
It's just like him saying that he'sgoing to make a bad film, is

(21:00):
what an empty threat? Yeah,because you can't. You can't try to
make a film as bad as Jackand Joel and that's not even close to
the worst film, so his worstyea. Yeah, that's like saying we're
never going to see another Jackass filmagain. Now there'll be another one on
a couple of you. Yes,say I'm gonna make another Happy maths in

(21:21):
film. Yeah, and we'll alreadylike understand that it's going to be bad,
right right. Um, Also,feel free. I just came back
from Vegas. So if he wantsto get me my money back from the
craft tables, okay, yeah,I think everybody who lives there gets it.
Yeah, that's how it works,that's worked. I've got a couple
of emails, one from Kayden says, hello, I love your podcast so

(21:44):
much. I'm a young child,so I watch it in my room with
the volume down so my mom won'tget mad at me because she'll hear the
curse words. Oh man, myfavorite podcast of yours is Wobi hollo Ueen.
I started crying of laughter when youmade the bat and the dog's mouth
sound. I really like Marie andyou guys, and you guys obviously,

(22:14):
so she really likes Marie, andthen also Caleb and I obviously. I
hope you have a happy Thanksgiving.So obviously. So pretty far, you
guys, you guys, A lotof these are really old. Uh,
we gotta go. I'm busy.I ope, stay safe from COVID.
Uh. Oh my god. SoI just want to say we got a

(22:38):
few more messages, a couple otherthings. Some of them are just,
you know, kind of more ofthis. So I just want to let
you guys know that we read allof them. We really appreciate them.
Yes, we do. What I'mgonna do is I'm doing a complete reset
on the messages because there's just somuch stuff. So if you if you
sent us a voicemail or a textor an email and we didn't read it

(23:00):
yet, and you felt like itwas really good, give it another shot,
give us a call. All ourstuff is in the show notes,
and we'll play for the next one. Facts about this movie. According to
Chris Rock, the origins of Spiralcame from a chance meeting with the vice
chairman of Lionsgate Mitchell Burns, ata friend's wedding in Brazil. Okay,

(23:26):
that's okay, So this is whatkind of like, yeah, cety without
telling me. So I just wanteverybody to know, like, when if
they get mad at us for thingsthat we say about Chris Rock or Adam
Sandler, this is the life thatthey live and it doesn't matter. Yeah.
I only had a major movie madewhen I was at a wedding in

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Brazil, and now I'm I guessI'm doing it. Yeah, and then
these three idiots on podcast made funof me, and I'm very upset,
and he felt like doing something inthe whore genre would be a new avenue
to take his career, though hedidn't, though he did plan to include

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some comedic elements to the film.So Chris Rock did this because he's rich
and he and also because he wantsto be in a scary movie. Yeah,
but respect to him for being like, hey, I'm in one type
of movie all the time. Letme push my boundaries. He's great and

(24:36):
Fargo. I mean, oh,if you have to see season three of
Fargo. Yeah, I mean Ifeel like he is a good he can
make that transition. I think,so, I think you could pull that
off. Well, I'm we're I'mexcited to see this. Spoilers real quick.
Last, there's only two fun facts. In order to secure an R
rating, the film had to besubmitted to the MPAA eleven times times.

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All other attempts resulted in a ratingof NC seventeen, one of which is
a scene that's removed in which somebodygets their face cut off. Oh,
I'm grateful that that got removed.I feel blessed and highly favored for that.
Well, I think they were reallygoing for it eleven times. Yeah,

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Well, it is a Saw movie, so like a Saw movie is
a Saw movie without some sort oftorture scene. And we got to talk
about it. Marie could barely getthrough any kind of gore or things.
So the fact that Marie is evenattempting to watch this, yeah, I

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Marie, Well, I'm really nervousjust for like the listeners. I can't
really just like watch Gore. Itjust like makes me ill. And sometimes
if i'd seen someone actually get hurtin real life, I have passed out
or fainted, so I might beclosed with my eyes sometimes during this one.

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And fun fact about me, Iget sexually turned on. So yeah,
I have heard that the Saws aretorture porn. So the porn's there
for you, I guess. Yeah, for sure. I love the Saw
movies. I've seen almost all ofthem. I've seen all of them except

(26:30):
for the last one, eighth Jigsaw, Jig Saw. I didn't see that
one. I didn't see Jigsaw either, Yeah, the seventh one, the
Saw three D. That's right.They also all start to blend together for
me that I'm like, if youwere to describe a plot to be like,
yeah, it's somewhere around four toJigsaw, Like, I don't really

(26:51):
no idea. Yeah, I knowthe first two, and I think the
first two are the only ones thatare like actually good, and then if
you watch the rest, you're justlike just really into the lore. Maybe
yuh, but yeah, I don't. I couldn't name any of them.
And this the one, the filmthat we're watching right now. Is is
a spinoff. It is connected tothe previous universe, but it is not

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in that universe. It's not mainlyabout that. That's what we're watching.
That's what this one's about. Fromwhat I know. Interesting the rules.
We're gonna watch this movie together,we're gonna stop it every thirty minutes,
and we're gonna come back and talkabout it. Each of us has one,
Uh what do we call the stopcards? For film school? What

(27:36):
do we call them? Yeah,we should have listened to our own podcast.
I feel like we've called them stopcards. Okay, we just call
them stop cards. Yeah, allright, we'll call it stop card,
we'll call it a PLoP card,we'll call it or wherever we want,
each of usky, ohook, Igot spoo a scary stock card or Marie

(28:00):
passed out card and that we coulduse it anytime to talk about one specific
thing. Uh, Marie, Caleb, are you ready to get back into
this? Do you guys think it'slike a bike? Yeah? I'm ready.
I don't. I don't like bikes. I prefer Mono wheels, one

(28:22):
wheel, one wheel, get aright? Damn that cool? Yeah?
Put on your put on your OliviaRodrigo and your your your machine gun Kelly's
and just go away. I'm vaping. Oh is that what you're doing?
Yeah, it's pineapple. All right, let's watch. Let's watch Spiral Book

(28:45):
of Saw. What you're talking aboutthat movie one Awards? You know,
Tom Hanks is a straight pimp,man. But I don't know if you
can like that movie today. Yougoing on special needs abuse specially, but
you won't not not woke. Butyou can't say handicap. You can't say
retarded, y say special needs.I'm trying to be respectful Forrest Gump with

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special needs. Man, what wasthe name of the girl? Jenny?
Jenny. He did everything for Jenny. This motherfucker did some shit. He
jogged across the whole country. Hebeat China in pain pong, you know,
fucking hard that shit is. There'sa war hero who the fuck is
nicer than Forrest Gump. His bestfriend was a nigger and a white boy

(29:30):
with no legs. He made abillion dollars selling shrimp and she still wouldn't
fuck him. Hey, eventually theygot together. Yeah, after she got
AIDS. As soon as she gotAIDS, she's like, hey, Forrest,
fuck out of it. Yeah,man, given that guy aids,

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are you kidding me? Yeah?But he didn't get it. I ain't
see no sequel whis Gump too.Hey, everybody, welcome back. We
just watched twenty seven minutes of themovie, Is that right, Baker?
Twenty seven minutes and fifty four seconds, almost twenty eight minutes? Okay,
all right, and we have thoughts, so we're gonna share. Yeah,

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anybody want to jump into this?Marie, what do you think? I've
almost thrown up two times, andI've needed to take my headphones out and
look away probably about four so far. I have a note here, Marie
made it three minutes into the movie. I am double check that we made

(30:34):
it three minutes before Marie had toturn away, And I'd say a good
the first two minutes and forty fiveseconds where all the logos coming in,
Oh yeah, that's true. Which, by the way, that twisted pictures
logo. I just wish the wholemovie was just that twisted pictures logo getting

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constantly tortured so long it feels likea Pixar short before movie. I mean,
what the fuck? Just a lotof logos to display, So remember
like Nintendo sixty four. If weever played like Tarrock or any Acclaim game
or anything, it took like fifteenseconds for the logo to light come in.
That's exactly what this was. Justthe barbed wire cranks. Yeah,

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all those creators want their credit,you know. Yeah, Um, what
do we feel about How do wefeel about Chris Rock? How do we
feel about how he's doing in thisscary movie? I think he's bad.
I think he's one level the entirefilm. He just screams the entire movie.
He so truth be told, I'venever seen a single saw and you

(31:41):
don't need to know, and youdon't need to see a single saw to
understand what's going on in this one, just so you know. But this
movie feels like it's trying to cramlike five movie tropes into one thing.
Mm hmmm. It just like doesn'tknow what it wants to be. It

(32:04):
starts off torture porn, then itgoes to buddy cop movie, then it
goes to uh, Chris, Ohwell it's yeah, buddy cop movie with
Chris Rock being the funny guy.Then it goes to divorcee movie. Then
it goes to like serious cop,like a problem trying to solve a crime
like Serpico, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, like Laan Order SVU.

(32:29):
Yeah, it feels like a badSVU with torture porn or Yeah. It
starts like one of the first scenesis like get in here, Like it's
the most like trophy trope. Yeah, and it's like, just to make
this a little different, the gettingin here person is a woman. It's
a woman. Would you believe it? Would you? A woman? Wow?

(32:53):
And they guess what she started totalk? They all listened, will
you? But when I when Ithink of a saw a movie like so,
I guess I was kind of expectingthese little wrinkles in there. Uh
Chris Rocks wrinkle of his joke.He literally spends a good four minutes riffing

(33:15):
on Forrest Gump, and it's likeall stuff that's like so old and tired
of just like talking about the stuff. It's like a cinema sends video from
like ten years ago, like himgoing through it. It does feel like
bad Tarantino dialogue. I guess,like yeah, or you know, so

(33:37):
at the beginning is just like ChrisRocks stuff that didn't make it on his
special combined twenty years ago. Yeah, exactly, yeah, and it also
like it's kind of mixing like likecinematography styles in a way too, because

(33:58):
like there are touch is in theshots that are made to look really old
and like kind of gritty, andlike the way they're dressed doesn't feel of
right now. It feels of likea a time that has passed. Yeah,
but they're like the shot we justfinished, someone's looking at like a
Twitter feed and it's the update andthey're talking about fit Yeah, they're talking

(34:21):
about fitbits like they're they're dressed inlike like bland seventies attire, but it
takes place in modern day. It'sjust very strange. The fan, the
freaking fan, the dangerous fan.Guys, why are there benchach fans everywhere
that I've seen three bench fans?Chris Rock walks into his own apartment and

(34:44):
guess who's in there? His dad? Guess who his dad is? Samuel
Jackson, And uh, just soyou guys know, Samuel Jackson is seventy
two years old. Do you guysknow how old Chris Rock is? Like
fifty fi fifty six because I alreadydid all these members, so technically he

(35:07):
could be his dad. Technically,it's not a terrible. I can't believe
Samuel. Samuel looks great for seventytwo. Yeah, I mean he doesn't
move great for seventy two. No, he didn't move at all, you
know, except to put the gunback into his belt and that was really
taxing. Yeah, he just satthere on a stool the whole scene,

(35:28):
didn't do it. Yeah, andwhen he walks in, he has Chris
Rock has the world's oldest, cleanestfan, Like it looks like a fan
from nineteen ten, but yeah,it's a vintage fan. And also we
see a vintage fan in the freakingplane station too. Well, why are
there so many vintage fans. It'strying to be film noir. It's trying

(35:51):
to do this film noir style itis, but you can't. If you're
going to do that, then likekeep it consistent. I know. It's
just crazy because even to the policestation, Like, do you guys know
are their computers in the police station? I can't even remember. Yeah,
yeah, he uploads the right Yeah, oh my god. Okay, you

(36:13):
guys, the it guy had tobe like losing his mind. Okay,
so let's just talk about what's happeningin the movie, and so we could
talk about the So we get tothe stupid USB thing. It's really simple.
The movie starts out like a typicalsaw A movie. Somebody's in a
trap. This trap is this guy'stongue is put through a vice and he

(36:36):
has to rip it out. Andhe's standing on a like a small ladder,
yeah, on a subway line.So he has to rip this thing.
I used to rip his tongue outin time to jump out of the
way of this train. H Itkind of looks like he's playing a harmonica.
It's kind of funny in that way, you know, Like I just

(36:59):
like, I don't know, uh, some Blues Travelers or something. Yeah,
it's like a great John Popper.Yeah, Buddy doesn't get out of
it. In typical he here though, here though, Here's what I Here's
what I don't understand about this setup? Yeah? What what? What's
not to understand? Caleb, what'snot to understand? And they how did

(37:21):
they manage to get his tongue inthat trap? And then and then on
a wobbly stool he didn't wake up. I mean, I just have this
image in my brain of like,whoever the spiral dude is that he sets
it and then he has to likereally quickly run off before he wakes up.
Well, for he's hanging up deadweight, Yes, exactly, he's

(37:42):
hanging up a limp body in asubway station like that too, Like yeah,
clounds easy, Like that's a lot. And then when he's he's not
going to stand up by himself,right, so the tongue, it's gonna
pull on his tongue, he's gonnawake up. And if he's not,
how do you make sure he exceptbefore the train hits them? Yeah,
because you have in that entire timethat you have to set up this fucking

(38:05):
trap. It's a subway, solike even if it's super late at night,
twenty minutes, Yeah, he hassome minions helping him for sure.
Well, and you think they didn'tget very far because once you set that
up, like even if you're saying, as soon as you set that up
and you just get out of sight, like you don't and you did it

(38:27):
right after the last train left,you have maybe maybe a thirty minute head
start, and you still have toget out of the tunnel that you're in,
right, what if he doesn't wakeup? What if he doesn't wake
up? Did they have to doa thing where they leave and before they
leave they're like, hey, hey, hey, and and chickens chicken,
you're awake, could you set upthe video? Oh shit, I forgot

(38:52):
Oh go back to another one?Back to sleep? How much cool reforms
too much from because at this timeI think we dousted three or four times.
Yeah, it doesn't make okay.So this trap not the coolest trap,
none of them. It's not aboutit making sense. But the what

(39:13):
needs to be cool is the trap, and this trap sucks dicks. So
it starts out with that, andthen we go to find out Chris Rock's
character who's making m Forrest Gump jokes, is undercover and his cover gets blown.
So then he gets yelled at.That's what we're talking about. He

(39:34):
gets yelled at at the precinct.We find out that the only reason why
he's there is because his dad ishot shit, his dad Samuel L.
Jackson, who he later finds inhis apartment. They find character from the
Other Guys, like does sam Jacksonsurvive that fall? And now he is
this is a prequel to other Guysexactly because he dies at that one ye

(40:00):
prequel so uh, they find outabout this guy getting hit by the train,
the tongue guy getting hit by thetrain. When Chris Rock gets mailed
at USB, which is clearly suspicious, and he goes to his partner's computer
and just plugs it right in.So like so right here we are at
law in Order SVU understanding of howcomputers work. Yep, he's infected.

(40:22):
He's infected. The entire precinct.They're all fucked. Like the rest of
this movie should just be Jigsaw,the copycat guy, just hacking into their
files and getting everybody. I hopethen if we do have you know,
if this is more of like anSVU, that there isn't a moment where
someone goes enhanced zoom enhance, semen, semen enhance, blood semenow. Yeah.

(40:54):
One of my notes is marriage ishard. Seems like I've watched so
much Chris Rock films where all hedoes is complain about marriage. I mean
he did cheat on his wife.I R yeah, in real life he
did. Oh. I don't knowthat it's a big deal. Who who's
are they still together? I thinkthey got a divorce, divorce. Who

(41:17):
was his ex wife? I don'tknow if it's anybody famous, um,
but I do know. It waslike a big deal that that information came
out because I think he maybe eventalked about it and later stand up,
I think, well, he's gettingit out in this movie. He's definitely
he can tell. Yeah, hegives us like die tribe about women cheat
too. It's like, yeah,yeah, that's we're aware. But yeah,

(41:42):
but did did you cheat? Though? Yeah? But women cheat as
well? You know? Yeah,yeah, yeah, but I'm asking you,
did Chris, did you cheat?Women? Be crazy? Cheating is
eating equal opportunities? Cheating? Heyfor me? Cheating at eating? That's
what I say. That's cheating,ain't eating. Yeah, if I'm if

(42:05):
I'm eating, cheating just having I'mjust having sex with her. I ain't
having dinner, you know, I'myou know what I'm saying, cheating,
ain't eating. It could be ifI go down on to somebody. Oh
yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah, but that's the rules.
Cheating ain't eating, so I couldstill do it. Cheating, cheating and
eating, cheating, cheating. Look, I don't know why you want to

(42:28):
get a divorce from me? Eatinggood in the cheating Yeah, that's my
other favorite things, like women cheattoo? Oh man, that sucks.
She must be heartbroken. I'm sureyou want to spend all your time with
her. She sounds like a lovelyperson. Oh no, I never saw
her. Don't give a shit abouther. Yeah, maybe that's why.
Then maybe you're the asshole. Nah. Another thing I wrote down is I've

(42:51):
been dreaming about this my whole life. And we're like, what's somebody getting
hit by a track? Yeah?I had to go. I had to
go um off of headphones and offof watching it at that point. But
I was like, you've been dreamingabout seeing a smushed, exploded body your
whole life. Sick. Fuck.No, this rookie cop comes in.

(43:15):
There's somebody the guy who's been hit. He turns out to be a cop
exploded, and the first thing hesays is I've been waiting for something like
this my whole life. I'd belike, hey, rookie, Uh,
you're a fucking creep. Yeah,you're a psycho. Do you have an
erection? Right now? You havean erection? You, guys, this
guy is an erection. He's jerkingoff on the crime scene. You're gonna

(43:37):
one week. He made it.I think it was everywhere. Let's get
some test, guys, that's yoursemen over here. Oh man, some
semen on this part of the deadguy over here? How's he coming so
much? I really hope that childisn't listening to this episode. He's nineteen

(44:00):
now, she knows what we don'tsay, I think too much. Another
thing I said is emojis, fitbits, things that old people think are brand

(44:21):
new. Yeah, constantly talked aboutthis shit in here. What they found
out where his location was via thefitbit. Yeah, that possible. I
think you can have a GPS.I don't know. I have an Apple
Watch, so you and it doeshave GPS, so you can get found
that way. So I think thereare fitbits that have GPS in them.

(44:42):
Wow. Wow, I think fitgives that information. Oh instantly. I
think fitbit folds instantly. Yeah,I think they're working out all your data.
I'm just thinking of you walk intofitbit, everyone just like kind of
doing running at their desk. Youknow, everyone's got sut ends on,
you know, and the cops arelike, hey, we want information,
Like, oh yeah, sure whateverhere, just seven's fun. Please don't

(45:07):
check anything we're doing back here.We're not monitoring people's heart rates for any
reason. That's what I think,And then I just said that this movie
is listy. Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Every single thing is like
they have to say like four orfive examples of what they're talking about,

(45:27):
like what kind of car is itis? The Subaru, a Chevy,
a land Rover, at BMW,a VW, A Honda, what is
it? Green cob, blue cow, red call, orange cross, silver
cow? What year is it?Nineteen eighty two, nineteen eighty three,
nineteen eighty four, nineteen tell mehow close m nineteen eighty five, high

(45:49):
er low of ninete eighty six.They're also being really weird about what city
this takes place in New York.It has to be the skyline they showed
us was New York City. Yeah, that's good. Wasn't it weird for
me? I don't understand where whereelse would it be? And it just
says like Albany South Metro Police oppYeah, yeah, you know South Metro

(46:17):
simps where they talk like this.I don't know. On this podcast,
I always get a New York accent. I know I'm trying to see online.
If it says where it takes place, I don't think if I even
remember what the original where the originalsaw it takes place I don't know,
or maybe it's South Metro too.Why are you doing that? I'm gonna

(46:39):
play game. Yeah, because Iwent down a rabbit hole. Because I
got board real fast. Thirty secondscent I got board. I was like
seeing a tongue ripped out before.No big deal. It wasn't that.
It wasn't that cool the tongue gettingripped out. On the list of things
that happened in the Saw films,I'll tell you what. The one that
got the one that really got mewas the needles one and two. Oh,

(47:01):
the needles when she gets pushed intothe Oh wow, yeah. Oh.
You don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about
it, But I want to playthis game. Who who do you think
is from youngest the oldest? Threethree actors, youngest the oldest. Who
do you think is the youngest,Who do you think the middle? And

(47:22):
who do you think is the oldest? You ready? Okay, hold on,
let me dude, Yeah, goahead, Okay, Chris Rock,
Nicholas Cage, We're Tom Cruise,Oh youngest, Chris Rock, Nicholas Cage,

(47:42):
and then Tom Cruise is the oldest. I'm gonna go Chris, Tom,
Nick Bacon, You are correct,yes, wow, And they are
fifty six, fifty seven and fiftyeight. Tom Cruise is fifty eight.
He's older than Nick Cage. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, and they're

(48:04):
all approaching sixty, which is insane. It has a lot more ware,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, alot more were a lot more tear.
I think he has the most debt. I think that's what it is.
Yeah, probably, I think it'sguaranteed he has the most debt. He's

(48:25):
he's doing eighteen movies a year,he really is. He's doing whatever,
whatever will pass across his agent's desk. Yeah. Yeah. He also like
the stories behind him. He hadto sell his like comic book collection at
one point, didn't he. Yeah, he isn't debt. He's like Johnny
Debt also in debt. Yeah.Well, when you spend that much money

(48:52):
on scarves, it's gonna come upto you. Yeah, it's gonna come
back to Carve's necklace, bracelet springs, anything, just general old jewelry,
tiny sunglasses, really to the nextstretchy things. Yeah, you know,
ear gauges. I make up somuch. I make up fingernails, risk

(49:15):
lessons, h my god. Doesanybody else have any notes about what we
saw Jack Sparrow because he turned intoJack Sparrow. You know how Danny de
Vito basically turned into Frank from AlwaysSunny in Philadelphia and his his real life
wife told him that he has tofucking stop doing that. Are they going

(49:35):
to break up? I think heslowly kind of turned into more of like
a Jack Sparrow Willie Wonka uh MadHatter combination. Yeah, he really is.
I agree. Do we have anynotes about the fucking movie that we
just watched? No, I justI'm counting my almost pukes and I'm at

(49:57):
two almost pukes. The what Iwill say, I just kind of kind
of related to the film, thepart where he like finds a little box
and it's got like the tongue andthe and the cop that he murders badge
and he pulls out the badge.And I saw like a still of this
when I was looking up the movie, and I looked at that and went,

(50:20):
oh, a retainer. And Idon't know why. I don't know
why in my mind I would everbelieve that Chris Rock in a movie that's
based around basically the reboot of Sawwould be holding a retainer up. That's

(50:42):
new. That's what the kids aretalking about, right. And in visi
line, I heard about that.We'll put that in the movie. But
I just finished. I just finishedin visi line yesterday. You just realished
it. Yeah, congratulations. Bartmoved to do it during the pandemic.
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I got very smart. I was
churning out rocks. I did theopposite. What's up? I was chewing
on rocks. Oh so you havejust little nubs for teeth. Yeah.

(51:07):
I have literally beaten my face witha hammer like stimpy trying to get the
office ren. Sorry, seeing whatjust shakes loose? You know what I'm
saying. A lot of stuff cameout everything. Yeah, you'd be you'd
be shocked up quickly. This teethwill come out. We're what we're describing

(51:28):
is scarier than what we've seen.Like really, I'm not There hasn't been
a single bit of scariness I think, but there. Yeah, that's true.
I'm horrified. But they have beentoo busy ramming plot down our throat.
So that's true. Yeah, youknow a lot of plot. It's
been twenty seven minute, twenty eightminutes almost of a plot. Yeah,

(51:50):
anything else before we go back fromjokes, A lot of dumb jokes.
Anything else before we go back tothis thing. All right, let's watch
thirty more minute. That's our thirtytwo more minutes. We'll have to decide
of this movie. Where were youJuly fourth at nine thirty pm? Really,
that's what you're here for. That'swhat I'm here for. Look,

(52:15):
some guy came to a meeting drunk. I wanted to fight a sponsor,
so I hit him, knocked himclean out. Anyway, the cops came.
I'm still in probation, but luckyfor me, it was O'Brien.
He let the whole thing slide becauseyou know, loyalty, loyalty, Take

(52:36):
care, Pete. God loves youZee more than you. All Right,
we've watched an hour of the Sauceand uh and I'm now up to three

(52:58):
almost pukes. Yeah, oh itreally does like get you really sick?
Yeah? Wow, I mean yeah, I've passed out quite a few times.
What's what's wrong with me? Then? I don't know, but I
like I know what's wrong with me. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it
should make me sick. It's calledlike a it's called like a vaso vagal

(53:19):
response, and um, it's basicallylike hyper empathy, where like when I
see people getting hurt, I feellike what they would be feeling, and
then that makes me like ill mmyeah that makes sense. Yeah, and
then I like think about the painthat they're going through, and then I
like that makes me like sick andCaleb and I could never think of something

(53:44):
like that, so yeah, I'mthinking of I Honestly, my thought process
is like how did they do that? Is that it's also like a genetic
thing too? Yes? Sure,yeah, um yeah, let's see here
I wrote down. My first noteis you've been looking at that screen for

(54:05):
five hours. I don't even lookat porn that long. Oh yeah,
and it's just rough man, whichis weird because like what a weird comment?
Like what are you saying? Likeguys like his D list material is
just fully being mined for uh justlike dialogue here. I don't understand.

(54:28):
Like if somebody said that to me, I'd be like, wait, you
watch porn? How long do youwatch porn? For? Like three hours?
Like? What the fuck is wrongwith you? Was that a brag?
Were you just you know? Icould watch porn for a really long
time. How do you have thetime? Who has the time? You're
going to mark off a day?Friends calling you asking you to hang out,

(54:50):
You're like, no, I'm onthe fourth hour. Yeah, what
are you doing here? Uh?Yeah, I mean and then the other
The next note I have is mustache. Oh my god, oh got jesus.
Oh bangs, the bangs. Letyou know that this scene is from

(55:12):
the past. Yeah, we're watchinga scene that was from the past,
and Samuel jack Jackson has the douvestmustache. It's so funny that it cuts
to Chris rock Im is stupid,GOOTI and then it cuts to the like
the current, and then and thenand then his rookie comes in. He's
got like a full beard. Andthen and then the other the guy that

(55:32):
we introduced at the beginning, hecomes in and he's basically from the television
Madman like, and it just keepsgoing back to kind yea, one guy
just walks in with dreads. Onewhite guy with dreads. Yeah, it's
so weird this movie. I guessI have a lot of notes, but

(55:55):
I guess the only thing I reallywant to talk about is I don't know
for me a Saw movie is aboutthe traps and it's about, you know,
the people in the traps. AndI feel like the Saw movies that
work are the movies where you're likefinding out about the person in the traps.

(56:17):
You you even if you like themor don't like them, you're kind
of like learning along with And it'sthem figuring out how to get out of
the traps or the or the dilemmathat they get put in. In this
one, everybody who gets put intoit I hate and don't care about it
at all. I don't know reallyanything about them, and it just seems

(56:37):
to take away, it takes awayfrom the tension and it just makes it
enough straight. It's just and themorality and everything like complex about a lot
of times the people they're in thetraps have you know, sometimes there's like
an addiction or of a tragic flawsomething about them that they that they do
have the option that they can getout of the trap if they redeem them

(57:00):
themselves in some way. This isjust like it's all the worst parts of
Saw where it's just kind of murderingstuff. Yeah. And I mean,
again, coming in as someone who'snever seen a Saw, I feel like
the reason people like these movies islike, wouldn't those scenes kind of last

(57:20):
a bit? I feel like we'regetting I mean, thank god, but
we're getting like a real quick likesnapshot of the trap the person in it,
and then it's just like, oh, they died. Yeah, yeah,
And it's done in a weird waywhere it's like it sets it up,
then we don't see it for awhile. Then they stumble from the
crime scene, and then we kindof see it play out in clips throughout

(57:43):
the discovery of the crime scene,and I'm like, do one or the
other? Why are you splicing thisthroughout? Like yeah, it just seems
odd to break it up that way. Well, the whole movie. We
keep talking about how the movie isjust like, oh, now we're in
like a nineties action movie style thing. Now we're in this. The whole
movies just like a hodge podge ofdifferent movies, and there's these little saw

(58:05):
like mini featurettes shoved in. Yeah, and they're not good and you don't
care about anybody. Law and OrderSVU is like dead on for the for
the way this feels. It's likeSaw and Order, Yes, Saw Order,
Saw and Order, That's what thisOrder I would like to talk about.

(58:30):
Marie and Caleb, as we're watchingthis together, have been talking about
who they think the killer is theSaw? Who's the Saw? They kept
saying to each other, you know, I really kept saying every thirty seconds,
Marie says, who's the Saw?Which one's the saw? That guy's

(58:53):
saw? Oh yeah, that guyhe died Mare. He likes taking big
swings that movie franchise. She's neverseen every person who's getting set up to
get sad. She's like, Oh, this person is See. At this
point, I'm like, as longas he makes it on screen, I
think he's the SA. The carsthe saw, that cars thaw. That

(59:15):
building might be Staw. Now Idon't know who the Saw is. I
think that's an extra guest. Istill, I mean, you can't really
go wrong with Chris Rock as theSaw, because will at least make it
to the end of the movie.You know, Yeah, that would be
that'd be the real twist. Well, here's the thing, Marie, I
don't I'm not going to say thatyour for your number one guess is off

(59:37):
the table yet. Even though wekind we didn't really see him die,
Marie thinks it's the rookie or that'swhat she saw at one point, but
we never saw his face getting killed. He could have just cut off that
tattoo, or it could be atrick oration. It should be yeah,
a trick, a trackeration. Sorry. Yeah. But also, Caleb,

(01:00:02):
so you I still think yours ison the talb talb table. Yeah,
Caleb, I think yours is onebillion percent on the table. I'm leaning
towards Chris Rock because we had acouple of scenes where Chris Rock grabs his
head and memories change or like heremembers things differently, and to me,

(01:00:27):
that's like a dead giveaway that eitherhe is the Saw or is being controlled
by the Saw. And and justfor context here, um, because I
think we've talked about this a littlebit, but the Saw killer is killing
a bunch of really crooked cops andso yeah, I mean I think we

(01:00:47):
are Saw. We are so prosaw here. Well, he's like,
that's and that's the thing that's wrongabout Saw. You're not supposed to Well
no, I guess that's right becausea lot of the people that he was
doing that too weren't good. Peopleweren't necessarily good never mind. Yeah,
yeah, but still there was apossibility you could get out of these traps.

(01:01:08):
There was some sort of moral ambiguity, like they did something really really
wrong, but he's trying to setthem up where they could redeem themselves exactly.
And there's some people where you're like, oh, they can maybe get
out of that, or I canmaybe see why they're doing this, And
in this it's just like straight uplike these guys are assholes and they deserve
to die. And and for somebody. And Chris Rock, who's like I

(01:01:31):
hate crooked cops, I'm like,you're pretty fucking crooked cops. Like you
beating the ship out of people,breaking their bones and shit. Oh yeah,
oh unnecessary compound fracture. I wrotethat down. That's compound fracture.
You mean Samuel L. Jackson.Oh well no, but that scene with
Samuel L. Jackson was awesome.I was, yeah, I was,

(01:01:54):
Oh when Samuel Jackson is yelling,yeah, I was in favor of him
beating all their asses. I wantedto see it. I want to see
more. Honestly, if yeah,I would have done the same thing.
It's pretty it's pretty dope. Yeah, well, it's all pretty straightforward.
Who technically the good guys are supposedto be in this. Yeah, but
now that you say that, Ido remember Chris Rock beating someone. Yeah.

(01:02:20):
I think you had to dip awaybecause it was a compound French.
Yeah. That was bad. Thatwas a bad time for me. Can
I tell you guys my guess?Yes? Please. I think it's Samuel
Jackson. I was thinking that too. I think it's Samuel Jackson. I
think the new cop is dead andgot too close, so Samuel Jackson took
it off. I think that SamuelJackson is really upset at all the crooked

(01:02:45):
cops and he is shot, gota SunShot, and he's going through I
think that maybe he might have donesomething to his son to help him along
the way or something, Because Idon't know. They keep cutting to Chris
Rock being upset. Who was atl Jackson before? In the sauce?

(01:03:07):
Is he the same? He was? Never? All these people are marine
and all these people are brand new. There's literally a vague connection between this
and the other films. It's it'ssupposed to be a copycat. So Samuel
was never in a saw. No, neither was Chris Rock. Oh.
I received some bad information from whowho Previously? I was told I was

(01:03:34):
told that Samuel was in previous fause. No, no, not even close.
Maybe I misunderstood you're thinking of theMarvel movie. Yeah, you're thinking
of Guardians of the Galaxy, acouple of other Marvel movies. I was
told he saw you're thinking of pulpfiction. Honestly, I know. I

(01:03:55):
think. I think I'm actually goingto say that maybe this person is thinking
of Danny Glover. Yes, they'rethinking of Danny Glover. Danny Glover's in
the first song. He's in thefirst Dear They me can't tell black your
racist? Maybe you should go havea conversation. Yes, I think I
might have to listen. You confusedto prominent black actors. And that's not

(01:04:27):
good, isn't There Isn't there aclip of Samuel L. Jackson like getting
in an argument with someone who thinkshe's somebody? Yes, oh, man,
Danuel L. Jackson has already hadthis fight. Yeah, well,
Marie, it wasn't me. I'venever seen it. I was getting bad

(01:04:53):
information. I'm sorry. I apologize. Yeah, I mean, I unless
I'm totally wrong, I don't thinkhe's in another one. No he's not.
Uh, because like I said,I haven't seen I haven't seen Jigsaw,
so maybe he's in that. OhNo, I don't think he is.
I think this is you've seen allof them. I've not the last

(01:05:15):
one. I could easily look itup during break, but you know what,
I'm gonna look it up. Wecan keep talking, okay. Uh.
In the photos not kind of slightlyracist. In the film, they
use a photo of Chris Rock andwhere he's younger, hanging out with his

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dad Samuel Jackson, and I sawit. I'm like, I've seen that
young photo of Chris Rock and Marie. I think I know where I've seen
it Top five. I think it'sin Grown Ups. So if you google

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yah young Chris Rock, the secondimage from Pinterest shows up on Google image
search and it's the exact same photoof him that they use in this movie.
And he has a big giant caller. So I'm going to type in
right now, Chris Rock grown upsyoung. Oh, now they use a

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different one that's grown ups two grownups too. No, maybe in the
credits of grown Ups. I'm gonnahave to do some more search. I
feel like you're right. I feellike it was in the credits of Grown
Ups. Yeah, like I've seenit. I feel like you're right,
it's on eonline. Marie. Haveyou found out if Samuel Jackson is in

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any of the saws? I don'tthink he is. I just don't understand
for me how they keep shooting theselittle videos in like broad Daylight under bridge.
Yes, two blocks from the policedepartment, from the Metro Police,
Metro City, and literally in thefirst frame of the video that they show,

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one of the cops goes, Iknow exactly where that is. Well,
both videos I've shown, they've beenit's just been like a brick wall
with a window and the like that'sfifth, that's fifth and C. Yeah,
that's where we know where it is. Yeah, I keep notes in
that wall. Oh yeah, yeah, I give chit filet across the street
and I have a lunch in thatalley. And then it's just like yeah,

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and then the second lady's like,I know exactly where under the bridge
were the hobo Larry limps. Yeah, But I just would I want to
know if like the saw guy hadto go there and shoot this film and
get the angle because it's well shot, and get the angle right before he

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saw this video, Like, didno one see this happen. It is
weird that the jig Saw elements areshot better than the actual film. It's
over a couple of scenes, likethere's color grading on it and everything.
They put that little fake you know, the static on it. Everything.
It's well edited. It is soin my scroll I finished my scroll.

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I did not see Samuel l previousbecause he's not He's not in any Danny
Glover. It's Danny Glover. Yes, this is his first. It's Chris
Rock's first. You guys, nobodyelse is in it. I'm sorry.
I was given bad information and I'msorry. Just talk to them. It's

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important that we thought. I know, I have to have a sit down.
With juneteenth approaching, Oh my god, have it on juneteen. I'm
going to day so I'm gonna goover to their house and have a conversation.

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You guys, are you ready forthirty more minutes of this or are
you gonna We're making the call hereright, because oh yeah, you have
to make your call. Put inyour Who's the Saw? Welcome to Who's
the Saw? Now? It couldbe Samuel Jackson, who may or may

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not be in every single Saw movie. I'm saying, Samuel Jackson final answer,
Uh, lock it away. Iam the weakest link. I'm going
with Samuel Jackson's son, Chris Rock. Uh lock it away, put it

(01:09:42):
in the throw, eat the key, let's go. All right, Okay,
Marie, it's your turn to bethe wild card. So my last
two saws have died, so Iwe don't know that it could be it
still could be that guy, orit could be the A lady in charge,
no commissioner about to die. Yeah, she just got gassed gas.

(01:10:06):
Oh yeah, that's right, shegot gassed. Maybe she gassed herself.
I think it's standing over her baconherself. I think it's I think it's
Samuel. There's no one else.All my other saus have died. It's
got to be Samuel. So you'rejumping in with mine. Yeah, sure,
there's no other important characters. There'scraft services. I don't think they're

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the sauce. Okay. If it'sgraft services, you're gonna feel real dumb.
I'm gonna laugh When Samuel Jackson's thenext one dead. That would be
I might use my stop card.I might have cursed. Yeah, I
think exactly what. That's why Iwas trying to get off mine. Yeah,
This is why I should not watchthe first three Transylvanias, because then
I get to guess who the killerisn't it. They're they're like torturing each

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individual creature. I mean, Idon't know what. I don't know what
it's about, but well, it'swhy are they capable of torture? Film?
It's torturing us. I think youshould watch it because the fourth one
is about them transforming, so theychange, like the people who are monsters
become human and the people who arehuman become monsters. Yeah, they're freaky

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Friday. Yeah. So like theI don't know if you'll get all the
jokes because the invisible man played byDavid Spade becomes like visible and you see
him for the first time. Passpass pass On this one, I got

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what six hours? Get caught upto that ship? One in three aren't
bad? Two's dumb. Two,two's bad. One and three aren't bad.
Three is a lot of motion andfun and the first one's like,
I'm sorry. The positive review ofthis is that there's a lot of motion
and fun. Is that what itis? Hey? Do you like your

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point? Do you like? Hey? Are you? Are you just a
child? Are you a child.Do you like color and motion? Are
you a child? Do you doyou like the top forty hits? Yeah?
Two years ago? Yeah, youwill love the film. How do
you feel about doctor Marcarina? Marcarina? Are you guys ready to watch more

(01:12:28):
of this goddamn film? Watch theend of this movie? Yeah, let's
do it, Marie. Marie's notgonna close your eyes one time. No,
no, I'm gonna do about fourmore walkaways. All right, let's
watch the end of this movie?Where is he? Don't you want to
hear my offer? Do I havea choice? I want to be partners.

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You stand against the dirty cop?What did you get your lifetime watching
your back, working alone, gettingthe call for every homeless bum it turns
up dead? I mean, let'sbe real. Some of these motherfucker's straight
up you fitch not back from you? Up? You want to repeat dat

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mistake? And Boz I was lyingon your own for you. You're different,
your Metro's finest. That's why Iwant to team up with you on
this. You find the dirty copsand I'll take care of the rest.
You want me to help you killcops? No, fuck noo, just

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the battles. John Kramer was rightin spiral symbol of change, evolution,
progress, But why limit that toan individual when you can apply it to
a whole system. You got ashot for doing the right thing. Let's
face it, these cops they're notgonna clean up on that wrong But we

(01:13:56):
take tongue here, a few bonesthere. But come around, we're gonna
fix the broken department. Okay,you and me, Okay, okay,
let's do it. I want totrust you, I do. I'm in,
but my dad goes free. Look, I want to believe you.

(01:14:18):
I do. I want to trustyou. Take this, you'll need it.
Come on, let's go see yourdad. We have just finished Spiral,
the Book of Saw, and Idon't think I'm gonna go on a

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line when I say that it doesnot stick the landing, No, it
doesn't. Wow. It's as ifSimone Biles just just stopped her in the
middle of her her floor routine.That's what it feels like. It's not
even that there's a landing stick.It's just suddenly like, oh, it's

(01:15:00):
over, it's over. Wow.The music just stopped and the story just
stopped, and it didn't make alot of sense. My original Saw Guests
was correct though, Yeah it was, and to be fair, we we
all kind of thought Maurice's original sawguest was correct because after we stopped recording,
before we even started playing, We'relike, are you sure, Marie

(01:15:21):
you want to go off on thatone, because we all kind of thought
because it didn't make any sense.He didn't die the way that anybody else
died, right, we never reallysaw his face. Yeah, and it
was the most graphic death. Solike, that's just them trying to throw
you off because you're literally trying notto look at that one, because that

(01:15:42):
one's just skinning a human being.Mm, there's no true oh, just
naming the act. Marie. Youguys you missed this. I watched Maurice
sol leave her body of me justsaying that it looked like you almost we're
going to pass out. I thinkI'm going to. Oh, okay,

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we should maybe stop talking about it. Then, um what else? He's
What I'll say is this is howso spoiler spoiler if you don't want to
know the end of Spirals. We'vebeen spoiling so much of the spoiling a
lot, but it is the rookiecop and we were the writing for this
movie is so bad that even webefore we had any inclination that he could

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possibly have been the killer, We'relike, what a dumb thing to phrase
it's to say when you're like,I've been looking forward to this my whole
life. Even mocked it because it'sso stupid that in the end they repeat
it and I went, ah,fucking got it right, that's okay,
Scooby Doo set up. Yes,Scooby Scooby Doo is better. I feel

(01:16:47):
like the classic Red Herring. Yes, it's speaking of Red Herring. We
just got Red Herring. If you'rea fan of the Saw franchise, everybody
knows that first opening, the openingof Saw is like probably one of the
most iconic moments of all the Sawand it's when that guy wakes up and

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he's chained to something and and thenhe's trying to use the saw that's there
to cut the handcuffs off, andhe realized that it's not going to be
sharp enough to cut through that he'sgonna have to cut through his own foot
to get out of there. Andit kind of starts that way for Chris
Rock when he gets sawed. Butit's all just lip service. Because immediately

(01:17:28):
there's a thing to like pick thelock and he gets out of it.
It's like, why is that evenin there? I think it's just purely
to like a wink wink, nudgenudge to the Saw fans. I think
that's all it is. And allyou're saying is, hey, remember that
scene. Yeah, I think that'sexactly what if you're the guy who set
that up, why would you spendall that time setting that up just to
like let him get out immediately?Because because the Spiral Killer is a fan

(01:17:54):
of the Saw series and just oncehis fans to pre ate you know that
moment. The Spiral Killer is anedge lord. I'll say it. He's
a drag take. This is letbe clear, Let be clear, Let
be clear. This is the oldestold man I'm about to ever feel in

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my life. Well, someone explainto me what an edge lord is an
edge lord? Do you know whatmal ninja shit is? Do you know,
like, do you know like akatana? Like if you could hang
a katana on your wall? Doyou know like a knife that's like it's
a knife, but it's also likesix pointy knives coming off of it.

(01:18:35):
Do you know army knife. No, no, no, Like it's a
knife, but it's like, oh, this one shaped and it's curved,
and it has these extra points andall these things, and it's like clearly
a knife that you could never usefor anything. It's not practical. It's
well, it's just something that anedge lord edge lord would buy. Uh,
you can't use an example oh herewe go, here, we go

(01:18:58):
here would buy as a way todescribe I know, I know, I
know. Um, have you everseen like the YouTube videos of guys cutting
uh two leader bottles of soda inhalf? Yeah? Sure, every day,
every day, every day one thirty. Those people are oh, we'll
start with that. If this guy'sreally an edge lord, it's not a

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very good edging. Yeah he's becauseI haven't seen him katana a water bottle
at all. Yeah. Well,he's basically the Edgelard version of Jigsaw because
all his stuff is all show.I mean, he literally somehow finds a
machine that not only is just madeto grind up glass, but it shoots

(01:19:43):
out like at thousands of miles anhour. What is the normal function of
this machine? What does this machine? I think it's implied that he invented
this machine that like he made thismachine? How is it implied? Because

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why else would it ever exist?Because we need to talk about the physics
of this. I thought this warehousewas a former recycling center, soap factory.
Oh yeah, let's say that itis. Okay, let's just give
it the benefit of the doubt.Let's let's give it more. Let's say
that it is at a recycling factoryfactory. But yeah, flash, soap

(01:20:28):
factory. We do soaps in thebasement, but up here it's mostly just
glass over in that building, that'sthe aluminiums And here's what happens. We
actually we use wax in the bottomof the police department. And then,
oh my god, I might needwhen you guys talk about that when we

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get to the Yeah, okay,we'll get to that in a bit.
But okay, so let's just saythat it is at a glass a recycling
center. Um, why would itshoot out of this machine? Again,
it is a soap factory, sookay, why would it shoot out at
this machine? A thousands of milesan hour? Like, I don't understand

(01:21:08):
how it could go. It canget grinded down and then so like does
it go into like something that islike air compressed, Like what is how
does this even work? I alsodon't understand how Chris Rock survived. Like,
I know he picked up the garbagecan, but like, come he
picked up the garbage can. Didyou not see that? I saw it,
but I was like held it overhis head? Murray, he picked

(01:21:29):
up the garbage can and held itover his head. If glass is flying
at thousands of miles per hour,you think that's rinky dink tin trash can
is going to stop them, whichagain I want to just get into the
physics of this. Okay, there, the way this works is there is
a conveyor belt of glass bottles.Those conveyor That conveyor belt of glass bottles

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drops the glass bottles into what appearsto be some sort of conventional of him
of some sort. But then afan clicks on and there's two giant holes.
So here we have some sort ofoven combined with a fan, and
somehow that is blowing glass at thousandsof miles an hour, and it has
a continuous supply of glass going intoit. So it's like it's conveyor belt

(01:22:18):
has to be at least a footballfield long. With the amount of time
that this thing is shooting glass.Otherwise somebody set the top putting glass up
there. Just a boss told me, I got'll do it. When it
starts, I deliver the boxes tothe police station and set the bottles down.
That's fine job, That's what Ido. They paid me one hundred
thousand dollars a year to do it. Though, doesn't make any sense.

(01:22:44):
It is, Yeah, I'll workfor the say, that's why I don't
ask any questions. Yeah, semiaccomplice for sure, exactly. It doesn't
make any sense. So then itobvious so we were wrong. It was
the partner the entire time who tattooedanother dead guy and no, no,
no, no, he the guyhad a Charlie tattoo and he cut it

(01:23:08):
off and then he gave himself atattoo, got it and made up the
Charlie kid. That's what happened.And he's like, oh, yeah,
that's my son Charlie. Which wasalso a weird moment when same when Chris
Rock was calling him on the phoneand there's like a baby crying and Chris
Rock is like, shouldn't you behandling that? And he goes nah nah,

(01:23:29):
and and to be the I heardit and the baby sounded so fake
like it sounded I'm like, Iswear I've heard that sound effect before,
but I didn't like its just amovie. Who cares. It turns out
like that was kind of on purpose, so that founded on sound effects dot

(01:23:50):
com. Yeah, I think thebaby cry is like literally, if you
just searched on YouTube baby cry likebaby cry sound effect, it might be
like the first thing that comes up. So I think that was one of
the nice clues. The movie doesgive you clues, does like allows you
to figure it out. You know. I don't feel cheated by who it
was. I feel cheated because whathappens after we find out who it was,

(01:24:15):
and what happens is all once againimpossible to stop basically and really unnecessarily
elaborate. And then he gets awaybehind he just he's getting in a slow
moving elevator. Yeah, and Idon't understand why he doesn't get shot.

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He's literally putting down a mesh thingand left a witness in Chris Rock,
who's going to be like, that'sthe guy. That's the guy. It
doesn't make and then it just endsthere's no motive for Chris Rock. Chris
Rock forced out, but the otherguy, like, I don't I just

(01:24:56):
don't even understand how Chris got outof the elevator. Oh after he fought
him on the tussle. Yeah,he just ran out to try and save
his dad because he saw that hisdad was was gonna be was being murdered,
so he just ran out. Andthen, huh, but he was
already being murdered, right, SoChris Rock went out to be like dad.

(01:25:20):
And then the cops came in andthey were like, put your hands
on the ground, as if theydon't know who Chris Rock is. And
so he got down on the groundand was like, that's really he was
already he was like raised up andthey were yeah, but but Chris Rock
already knew his dad was dying.That's why he went after the guy.
I just doesn't make any sense.Yeah, no, no, no,

(01:25:40):
no, no no no. SamuelJackson was on the ground bleeding and he
tells his son, don't worry aboutme, go get it. Yeah,
go get him, go get right. So then he runs over he gets
the guy. They're they're in atussle on an elevator and then the door
opens up and Samuel Jackson begins toget raised again, and the cops come
in and shoot Samuel Jackson, andthen Chris Rock goes, no, don't
and like then the cops kind ofcan. So that's how he gets out

(01:26:03):
of the elevator right, and thenthe elevator guy was like, see you
out of here. After rookie cop, elevator guy watches all that happen,
yeah, and then slowly shuts thedoor gets into If anybody's ever been in
one of these elevators, it takesa long time and they're very loud,
you know exactly where they are,yes, and Chris Rock is going to

(01:26:24):
be like, that's the killer.Go down a set of stairs, please
and grab him, or throw agrenade in this empty cavern and it'll kill
whoever's below. The other problem isthen after that the movie just ends like
it's like it's trying to recreate andI know where you probably don't know a
spoiler, but it's trying to recreatethe moment at the end of Saw where

(01:26:45):
you realize there's a dead body inthe room the entire time. The dead
body gets up and he's the killer. So they think there's this dead body
in the room the whole time,and the Killer was in the room with
both of them. He gets upand he shuts the door and leaves them
there. And as soon as heshuts the door, the movie ends just
like this one does. But it'sstupid because it's in the wrong spot.
You're calling it back. You don'tknow what you're doing. Right when you

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found it the first when you foundout this was the killer the first time,
you were like, oh shit,it was like this not as good
as sixth Sense, but it wasat a moment of like, oh,
what a fucking twist. And thenthe movie just ends and you're like,
holy shit. You're like, theyboth die. It's like insinuate. But
at the end of that one,it's insinuated. Both those people die,
right, and we find out thatthat is true. One of the guys

(01:27:31):
makes it out and makes a littlebit further I remember, but like he
ends up dying anyway. Nobody getsout, right, I think, So
I think that, yes, noneof those guys end up surviving past four.
That's all I remember. Grey Alwaysis definitely dead. You will know.
I think it is also dead.Yeah, but then you knew what
happened, and and it's just it'scalling back all the dumbest stuff. It's

(01:27:54):
it feels like there's three writers.I feel like one person wrote this cop
drama and for some reason a lawand order said pass, and so like
we already did this episode, buthe happened, you know what, he
happened to be at the same exactwedding in Brazil. Producer David lion Gate.

(01:28:15):
Yeah, hello, welcome to myfifteenth wedding. David lime Gate here,
M what should we make another songmovie? Is that too many?
How many have we made? Forty? Only eight? Let's set it up.

(01:28:36):
Who said they liked Saw? Hasanyone been watching Conan O'Brien on YouTube?
These vows suck? Anyway, Debrayis the most important person to me.
Blah bl blah bl blah. I'mmarried to have a wedding. Chris

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Rock, whatever movie you wanna do, let's do it. He's like the
Godfather. He has to do whateverhe's asked. You just got David,
like, you must make me asaw Chris Rocket. Somebody wrote it.

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Then they decided another person's like,you know what, we're going to make
a Saw movie out of it.So they added the Saw parts in and
then Chris Rock came in and said, hey, I'm going to add in
some of my old stand up materialthat I never used and no one should
ever listen to. That's exactly whathappened. Yeah, and then we got
this man. It's bad. It'sreally bad. I don't know if i'd

(01:29:43):
say it's the worst saw I sawyou ever saw, but it's it's not
the best. I mean, Ithink I would maybe even put the first
saw is the deepest, the firstsaw, baby, when you're trying to

(01:30:06):
kill people. I'm sorry, Ikeep going back that first saw. It
was amazing. I was sixteen.It was really great. It was so
great, so great I was,I was, I was edging. Well,

(01:30:26):
it was just it's a very it'sjust this. The cool thing about
Saw, or the thing that everybodyliked when it first came out, is
if you were in this situation,what would you do? How how difficult
is it for you to figure outand and and summon the mental fortitude to
saw off the your your ankle,you know, saw off That is where

(01:30:49):
the name came from. They wereoriginally going to call it saw off your
Ankle, and they just went andthen they worked in Jigsaw. Yeah,
and it was born but in thisone. It doesn't touch on any of
that. Never do you feel likeyou're in the traps. Never do you
feel like, what would I do? The traps are all like just set

(01:31:14):
up for torture porn's sake, andit's and it's not interesting at all,
Like there's no like anxiety or thatthat feeling that you have for that character
inside of there. There's none ofthat, And in that sense alone,
probably one of the worst Saws becauseI don't know, I think I remember
that Saw three D movie, thatseventh one just being so bad. But

(01:31:39):
even then it had some sort ofset up like they were in a glass
box and they got revealed to abunch of people out in the open,
and it was them trying to figureout how to get out of it,
and then the people seeing it happening. So then you could be like,
oh my god, if I sawthis happening, what would I do?
Or if I was in the trap, what would I do? And it
would kind of go through that.But in this movie, you're not even

(01:31:59):
give in that opportunity. It's straighttorture born with bad jokes. Ooh wow,
Okay, so I just looked upthe Rotten Tomato score. If once
you could guess what it is,I cannot. You know what I'm really
bad at these. You know,I'm gonna say it wasn't it wasn't that

(01:32:23):
bad. I feel like there aresome critics that would like this one.
I'm gonna say it's probably at likea twenty five twenty five. I guess
I would have fourth. I'll saytwenty three percent. Wow, you really
thought it was bad? Yeah,thirty six, thirty six. Yeah,

(01:32:45):
guess the audience score? Ooh,I think higher yet, I'll say fifty
one seventy five? Who like criticshated it, but audiences like it?
Like it? Uh? Is?Okay? Could you let's take a look

(01:33:10):
at the other side. Okay,actually let me ask. I said that
I hated it, and I gavemy reasons. Marie, how do you
feel, I mean, this isnot even geared towards you at all.
Yeah. I know I'm not aSaw person, um, but at one
of the points, when someone wasgetting maimed and killed, I just started

(01:33:32):
thinking about the future Saws and whatthey could be me. Okay, okay,
And so I don't have an opinionon what I thought about this movie
because I really couldn't watch a lotof it. But what was? Yeah,
there's got to be what is it? Saw eight? Yeah? Saw
nine Radio Saw Radio Saw see Saw? Honestly, honestly, if they don't,

(01:34:00):
if that wasn't the Spanish title oflike cee Saw of the sixth film,
what they were doing? Okay,that's a little that's a little lemon
come sw Yes? So is thisis this a ticket for Saw? Yes?
Yes? Can I see Saw?Of course you could see SA I

(01:34:21):
would like to see Saw? Isthat the first film? Sawi about it?
Oh? Shall we? I whippedyour skin off? Oh? Your
fingers popped off? Whoop? Shedoodles? Uh? What else? What?

(01:34:42):
Oh? I came? I saw? I came, I saw.
That's the porn version of that's atthe beginning of this movie where the guys
drinking off of the crime thing.Oh yeah, would you honestly metaphorically?
He was? He was? Hewas? Um. Yeah, that's about
all all the Saw puns I couldthink of. But yeah, this is
not a movie for me. It'snot meant for me. And that's okay,

(01:35:05):
Caleb, how do you feel?I mean, I didn't like it?
Um, what would you rank itout of Like I don't know,
five stars out of five stars.Yeah, I thought you're gonna say,
what do you would you rank itout of? Out of saw to saw

(01:35:25):
to jig saw? Oh well,okay, what would you rank it out
of in saws? And then outof seven pelicans? What would you give
it? Seven pelicans? Yeah?And the pelicans mean whatever you want them
to. The pelicans could be whateverI want them to. Yeah. Would
you like a different glass would yourate? Oh? Yeah? How many
bits of glass and a bucket ofglass that you have to guess? How

(01:35:47):
many shards of glass would you guessthis movie is? If it's a bucket
of glass, it's being shot outof some sort of oven. Get one
hundred shards of glass. But we'llkeep in mind there's been thousands of shorts.
Yeah, there's at least hundreds.In Chris Rock's face, yeah exactly.

(01:36:09):
I mean that guy's back got rippedto shreds. Literally. What would
you bring it out of the Psalmmovies? I don't know, somewhere round
six or seven, the first twoyou mentioned earlier, but the first the
first one is definitely iconic. Ilove the first one. I know a
lot about it. I think it'sit made less than a week under five

(01:36:30):
hundred thousand dollars. It's like,it's incredible, and it launched a career
of James one and Leeweel like great, great film. Cannot recommend it enough.
The second one was okay, there'sone that gets like back to kind
of the origin a little bit ofYeah, and I can't remember if it's
a four or five or six.And when I say that, I know
one of those is also one ofthe worst ones out of four or five

(01:36:53):
six. That's the problem is thatthey all kind of start to blend together
a little bit for me. Yeah, So I remember he dies at one
point, so then it's just likehis kids are in the in the in
the second one. That's when youfind that out. I think in the

(01:37:13):
I think he dies at the endof the second one, and then he
does two and they just keep going. It doesn't make any sense if we're
if you're talking about horror movies andmaking any sense. During Quarantine, me
and my roommate ended up watching aton of like the LEPrecon Friday thirteenth Um
Nightmare in Elm Streets. Uh,and oh, like Lepricon is horrible,

(01:37:38):
Like none of them are good.Uhay, thirteenth, not really that many
of them are good at all.Like you just kind of find that it's
as soon as one does, well, that's all you need and you can
kind of just build off this mystiqueof that first one. Um, and
that's what they're doing the Saw.I mean, I would recommend if you're

(01:38:00):
into the movie, if you're intothe first Saw, I think you would
enjoy other movies that are like thatbecause it Saw. One of the reasons
why it was a very cheap movieis they came up with a really cheap
idea, how can we shoot likea movie mostly in one room. The
guys are chained up inside and theyhave to cut themselves out. Boom,
we're in there forever. Another moviethat's like that is The Cube, where

(01:38:21):
it's people trying to escape a cube. But you really only need so much
of a set because every room isexactly the same. Platform, which just
came out that's on Netflix platform that. I enjoyed that one as well.
You know, it's pretty on thenose with its metaphor, but sometimes you
gotta be a super director or whatever. I enjoyed it this one. Noah,

(01:38:46):
yeah, great, they said aspiral is a symbol of change and
progress. And I'm like, isthat true? Says who? Yeah,
so it looked it up. Itdoesn't say that in the dictionary. I
was checking that daring the thing,and uh, I did see something when
I searched those comments on a tattoomessage board, So I think it's just

(01:39:09):
kind of like some made up nonsense. And then I wrote on a lot
of tattoo message boards or what's ohyeah, if you want to find me,
um tat's teddy tat tat Tatsmanian devil, Tatsmanian devil. I wrote down,
Samuel Jackson is being drained like GeorgeWashington? Yeah, what what's that?
I'm not a history buff like you, apparently what is what? Do

(01:39:30):
you? What? Was he leached? They drained him? Yeah, there
was blood letting what it was calledback in the day, and when just
when George not with leeches. Bloodletting is literally just put a needle in
somebody with a two about and takea bunch of blood out of them because
they thought that blood went bad insideof you, so you had to get
it out. So you know,your body can make new blood, new

(01:39:54):
good blood. Um and George Washington, our first president, when he that
is not that's what big Farmer wantsyou to believe. George Washington, our
first president. He got pneumonia aftergoing out with his horse on a horse
in a snowstorm, and they alittle overreacted. He was sick. So

(01:40:16):
a doctor came did a bunch ofstupid shit to him, because being a
doctor back in the day was basicallyjust guessing. And but except for everybody,
the number one thing was always let'stake a little bit of blood out
of there. So one doctor comes, takes out a bunch of blood.
He's not doing the job. Nextdoctor comes and next doctor comes in.
Didn't even talk to the first doctor. So first thing he's got to do,

(01:40:36):
take out a little bit of blood, go throw the whole stuff,
might even take out this is totallyparaphrasing. Takes out more blood. Another
doctor comes in, takes out someblood. Blah blah blah blah blah.
He dies. Probably died because hegot drained of like half of his fucking
blood. Also, he might havedied because he had pneumonia. He could

(01:40:57):
have also died from the horror.He had horse teeth, human cadaver teeth.
Yes, he had a mouth ofjust different teeth. Basically, honestly,
his mouth might be scarier than they. Another thing they did is they
gave him. You've you've graduated fromedge lord to edge edge lord. If

(01:41:18):
they just went step by see anedge god's having to be public school with
your learnings and your pledge of allegiancy, lunchhowerwers O your lockers and you and

(01:41:42):
Frank and Frank in your look yourbeakers and your your computers. You got
the last principle and like, youguys, are you okay? Caleb?
What's going on really with the careyou bell? Are you all right?

(01:42:05):
The THEO you a little about yourself? A long time you okay? You
and your doctor being this okay,I'm really worried about you. Won't pick
up my phone call. You neverreplied. The evening was to him and

(01:42:27):
you were like, I'm not feelinggood about myself. Can you talk me
through? You and dude, justlike we're all trying to help you.
Yeah, I'm fine, Okay,you just described an edge lord. Essentially,
we're getting you a subscription to betterhelp immediately. Yeah. First of

(01:42:48):
all, oh my god, sowe're talking about making eye with a bit
that never ended. No, Iactually enjoyed that. I literally was just
going to say, if they wouldhave done a step by step of what
they did to George Washington, itwould have been more graphic, probably than

(01:43:08):
this film. It would have beena better film. Teeth in his mouth,
Yeah, it would have been abetter Saw film. They literally gave
him stuff to like make him throwup after they threw blood out of him,
after he's dehydrated. Like just everythingthey did was wrong. Um So
now now you learned a little bitof history when you thought you were going
to learn a little bit about Saw, and hopefully Caleb learned a little bit

(01:43:30):
more about himself. Yeah. Ithink he did. I think he did.
And he got chicken and more thanthis primary school? Yeah, apparently
did the primary school. Oh youjust go to high school? You and
Bram scol Now he's starting to OxfordPrimary are Yeah? I went to after

(01:44:00):
school? Whoam heard some people talkover here? You guys have any other
notes about this? Uh? Aboutthis movie? Stop taking notes in the
second act? Yeah, I justcounted my pukes and I got to four.
Yeah, so would you say I'mthis one? Like, Hey,
Chris Rock, I think you found. Uh, I think you found your

(01:44:24):
niche. Yeah, really transcendent genrefor me. Yeah, what would you
say? I kind of one note, so I don't Yeah, I also
don't understand the whole drama behind himand his wife. Why include that there
was literally nothing about his wife?You're so right? Like why why?
Yeah? Why introduced that I nevertouched? Why why create even this character

(01:44:45):
flaw of like I hate women?Like why wait wait wait? But okay,
So in the upcoming radio Saw SeeSaw and See Kama Saw, then
it's going to kind of morph toa thing where like we know that Chris
Rock has a son, and nowChris Rock has his bendetta against New Saw,

(01:45:05):
and he has a son, andlike he's going to become Chris Rock's
gonna become the Samuel L. Jackson, and he's going to pass on the
Saw franchise to his son, andthe Saws will never end. That's a
big swing. Yeah, but shewas also at that wedding, so get

(01:45:26):
back from Brazil. I feel likeshe had to have made that pitch then
to David lions Gate. I thinkwe've been going on our full two hours
now, sorry two hours? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know
what we don't do a lot ofepisodes, so um, you up another
voicemail listen. Oh shit, realquick, we got you know, I

(01:45:50):
completely forgot about this one. Ididn't even listen to it. Let's listen
to her forget about the fans,and before we leave, we'll listen to
this. Hi, my name isJulie, and um, I guy shoke
up. I love Your Guys' podcast. Sorry, my pet rats are in
the background so you can hear theirwheel going. But my favorite is probably

(01:46:11):
Hubie Halloween. Um, I actually, like a week ago watched it.
I thought it was okay, Imean kind of weird, but like I
still watched it, and I searchedit up on the Spotify and I found
you Guys' podcast And it was likesix in the morning when I was playing
it, and it didn't expect havebut when he swear words like blast,

(01:46:33):
like not blasting if it was loudenough to hear by room to my parents'
bedroom, and it was really funny. It was really enjoyable. Ah yeah,
thank you for putting up your content. I like it and I,
um, yes, thank you allright. So what we found out is
to watch our language. Yeah,very like it's not what I was expecting

(01:46:54):
at six in the boarding. It'strue. We are definitely like, I
mean, you more than anybody else. Bake In. What the fuck are
you talking about? I'm bad too, I'm bad too. I'm sorry,
kids, Hey, kids, it'sme. Kids, Stop listening. It's
marked explicit. It's me Auntie.I just want to say sorry for the

(01:47:16):
language, and uh, we'll tryto do better. We're getting a lot
of stuff talked about it my erectionas well. I'm sorry. We talked
about edging a lot lords. Thatadds to the list of I watched this
movie. I liked it. Isearched it on Spotify. I listened to
you guys trash it. I likeyou guys. I mean, I guess

(01:47:44):
I enjoy that people appreciate the perspective. Yeah, I don't care if if
we have different opinions on it.I think most of the time we're just
cracking jokes or whatever. Yeah,that's so funny though. How many people
have been like I got to figureout what other people think about this grown
it's perfect. Guess I was wrong. I like them, and we're grateful

(01:48:06):
and I want to be We're sograteful. We're so grateful. I thank
you so much for calling in everyonewho did or wrote an email. We
still have so many listeners and somuch stuff, and uh, you know,
we'll try to get more content outand if anything, Pandemic has showed
us that we can do stuff remotelythat I didn't even think was possible.

(01:48:27):
You know. It's been a littledifficult trying to figure out out to watch
the movies together, but we figuredit out. One day. I was
gonna say, if you think there'sa movie we should watch, like like
Balls of Fury, hey call inand make your case of why it's in
the Sandler universe, and we shouldcheck it out. And if if we
do prove that that picture of ChrisRock because him as a child is in

(01:48:51):
Grown Ups, we've made a directconnection to the Adam Sandler universe. Yes,
so it's not it's not just aSaw film anymore. It's the same
Sandler it is. It's it's ChrisRock from Grown Ups is in this movie.
That's how I'm doing it. AndSamuel Jackson was his dad. The
entire time big name to get forGrown Ups it is they got shack,

(01:49:17):
you know, Samuel, Yeah,your friends, Radiota, Yeah, your
your friend probably thought it was twoSamuel Jackson's Oh yeah, you know,
we're gonna have a talk. We'regonna a conversation. It'll get started out.

(01:49:39):
Yeah uh yeah. Anybody have anythingto promote. I still have a
second podcast called I Love trash mbut it's kind of there's only four episodes
because I started the podcast and thengot accepted to school and started going to
school in like the span of aweek. Get it. You go to
school and you're still they allowed mearound books. Not only did I finished

(01:50:06):
school, I decided to go backand maybe when I'm done with this school,
I might go to some more school. But yeah, I'm on break
right now. I'll have you know, and um, I'm getting some more
episodes in Oh yeah, what isthat? Oh you're on summer break.
I have a three week break andthen I go back to school again,

(01:50:28):
okay for my second quarter. Yeah, so check out those. Also check
out ninety one Donkey Lane if youhaven't. That's the one I do with
me in my Roommate. It's afantasy comedy podcast Super Fun. Caleb was
on an episode as Hooby Pooter Thinkcame out of Hohoby Halloween which can't.

(01:50:48):
I think so it did. Sowe got a direct crossover from this one
to that one. We're crossovers.First, we are a bunch of Wow
the connections here, connections are crazyand Adam Sandler movie at this movie.
Yeah, it's Samception. Yeah,it's Sam Sception for sure. Yeah,
so let us know. We mightcheck out another movie before the next one
comes out, but definitely keep staysubscribed because we'll be back for Hotel Transylvania

(01:51:13):
four and probably something before that evenBut thanks for listening in the meantime.
Yeah, and what do we sayat the end of this one? Does
this just Chris Rock stop? Yeah? With movies, no saws? Yes,
with with saws, Chris Rocks shouldstop Caleb. Yeah, that's so
the phrase we're gonna say, withsaws, Chris Rock should stop that.

(01:51:39):
How about Chris Rocks please stop makingmovie The Book of Sales? Sure,
okay, one three? Chris Rockplease stop movies? See you guys,

(01:52:10):
dude, Chris, let me talkto you about this. What scary man
frightening? Scary frightening? I mean, but there you know what the scariest
movie I saw Fatal Attraction, Yes, but I would say that really is.
That's not real scary. Nothing scarierthan your woman finding out goblins,

(01:52:34):
vampires, a mad woman. Thatscary. That will make it hard to
sleep. I'm watching this the movie, and it's honestly some of the most
craziest stuff I've ever seen him.Just like, what and then I heard

(01:52:55):
that you thought of this idea?I did? I was, you know
what, Tweed. I was ata a Gyles series wedding and um the
movie. I was saying, Gylesseries wedding, gyle Serie got married and
uh and in Brazil, by theJesus of course, and Madonna's there,
bottles there, like everybody's there andall this there right, and uh.
The head of lions Gate was like, kind of maybe not this fall away

(01:53:19):
but uh and uh that would benatural. Yeah, that would be unnatural.
And uh, you know so I'mlike, oh, I know this
guy, a head of lions Gate. I was like, oh you guys,
have you guys have saw you everthought about having some humor in it
just just a little bit, youknow, yeah, just this one.
And he thought it was a goodidea and he called me in. We

(01:53:42):
had this meeting like three weeks later, and next thing I know I'm shooting
a movie like that Summer that's gotSam Jackson in there. I love Sam
Jackson. Who doesn't love Sam Jackson? What's he like to attack with?
He is? Uh? You know, people always go, how'd you get
Sam? He did you a favor? No, we got Sam a check.
Okay, if you pay Sam,you pay Sam Jackson, he will

(01:54:03):
show up. Okay. But

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