Grey Matters—A Hopeful Approach to Cognitive Health and Aging

In this powerful episode, host Michele Hughes welcomes healthcare veteran and entrepreneur Debra Geihsler, co-founder of Grey Matters Total Brain & Body Health, a revolutionary clinic focused on reversing cognitive decline by treating the whole person. With a distinguished background as a former healthcare CEO and founder of Activate Healthcare, Debra brings deep insight into the flaws of our current medical system—and how functional, patient-centered care can lead to transformative outcomes.

Together, Michele and Debra explore why traditional healthcare fails patients with dementia and Alzheimer’s, the importance of addressing root causes instead of symptoms, and how Grey Matters is setting a new standard with its holistic, personalized approach. Debra explains how Medicare’s GUIDE program is helping support long-term brain health, the life-changing results they’re seeing through their clinics, and why early testing—long before symptoms appear—is critical for prevention.
Tune in to hear inspiring stories of recovery, get practical advice on taking control of your cognitive wellness, and learn how to access free screenings through Grey Matters by calling the numbers below and using the code “AGELESS.”

Sarasota, FL [phone]
Jacksonville, FL [phone]
Ponte Verdra Beach, FL [phone]
https://greymattershealth.org/

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health and longevity!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
I do love that introduction because who wouldn't love to
feel like they're just simply amazing all the time. And
that's what Ageless and Timeless is all about, is feeling
your feeling and being your very best, the best version
of yourself. And all these guests that the amazing guests

(00:32):
that we have on are able to give their point
of view and their experiences that inspire you to take
some of their information and their direction and their advice
and use that in your own experience and your own journey.
So today I'm very fortunate to have Deborah Geisler, a

(00:53):
guest who I've been speaking with for quite a while.
On Her very close colleague is doctor Dale Brettison, who
was on our podcast a week ago, and I hope
you all caught that wonderful podcast and we'll talk about
doctor Dale's protocol with Deborah today. So welcome Deborah, Thank you.

(01:14):
I'm happy to be here. Yeah, you're an amazing woman.
I want to hear, we want to hear all about you.
So why don't you tell us your journey? How did
you go from Harvard to being involved with doctor Bretison
and this wonderful new company that's going to grow so
exponentially called Grave Matters Great.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
So I, as you know, I was a healthcare CEO,
and I really felt like we were not paying enough
attention to our patients and really wanting to make sure
we could embrace our patients with their uniqueness and their opportunities.
So I started my own company. It was called Activate Healthcare,
and we really worked with employers directly to say, let's

(01:55):
embrace the patient with their uniqueness and understand who they are,
but actually get to know the patient and their whole
comprehensive self and get to the root cause of what
was driving their health issues. And through that process and
then I sold my company. It was a great company.
We saved people a lot of money, we helped a
lot of lives, and we had a lot of people

(02:15):
see they improve their health. And through that organization. When
I sold it, I was introduced to doctor Bretison. And
the reason that doctor Bretison and I related so well
together was he was doing the exact same thing, only
he focused in on dementia and he was focusing in
on getting to the root cause of what is causing
dementia and really saying if we get to what that

(02:36):
root cause is and fix that, we should be able
to turn people around. And he's shown that result and
next we've seen that in our clinic. So I'm delighted
to be doctor Bretison as part owner a founder with
the clinic that we have when we take care of
our patients, and I've learned a lot. You know, as
a healthcare CEO, you see the masses and you tend

(02:57):
to talk to insurance companies. It's really hard to get
to know the employers and the basic patient. So really
getting to understand this disease has been very eye opening
for me as a former CEO.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
You know, you're taking the steps that MAHA is all about,
which is too basically a functional medicine, which is you
know Jeffrey, doctor Jeffrey Bland and all the proteges that
have followed him, to basically look not at symptoms but
at the root cause of the illness. And secondly, most

(03:27):
and probably as importantly, to spend time with the patient.
Why is it that our healthcare system is so disabled?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, that's why I started my own company.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know, here's why it's disabled, because we his finances
usually drive the business, right. I've been in healthcare in
a very long time. When we used to be community hospitals,
we were nonprofit because we were supporting the communities. But
then we grew into specialists, very smart people, very smart providers,
who started dissecting every part of the body. And so
we have a specialist for every part of the but

(04:00):
we started to forget the whole person, and then we
started to measure the success of that piece of that procedure.
So if you go to the er, they're going to
say we did all the right things for this disease.
That may have not been all the right things for
that individual, though, you know, I mean because we did
we forgot the person in the process though, because if
you look at the electronic medical records and everything, they

(04:21):
were designed for financial processes. How do you do your billing,
how do you do your coding, how do you make
the financial So that's really what's driven the success of
the health systems is through insurance and billing. When you
take that apart and you look at a quasi functional
medicine slash look at the whole patient, you realize that
if we actually provided comprehensive care to the patient, understood

(04:45):
them better. Why are these things happen? We can reduce
a lot of visits, and we could save a lot
of pain for these patients by looking at them individually
and what the causes are.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Well, and.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, we'll talked a moment about how Great Matters was formed.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
In the concept and the mission.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
So in the meantime, though, before we get to that,
just how do you feel that you can change that
paradigm without the insurance you know, complement, because obviously insurance
is a big part of why the system is run
the way you just described.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, I think that they've been struggling for a long
time time to find value based care, so I think
they have wanted to do that. Remember also that you know,
the primary care is really the population the physician group
that takes care of the whole patient.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
So you we've kind.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Of skipped over that primary care person managing the whole
patient and still are looking at value based care in
the way that quality is driven. So but I think
the insurance companies are striving And as a matter of fact,
Medicare just came up with a program called the Guide program,
which is encouraging people to have more involvement in the

(06:02):
patient by some care management program.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
So I think that the trend is coming.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's really hard to change from a fee for service
model to a value based model, and it takes a
lot of time, but there's you can see parts of
it coming coming around.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
It's just it'll happen.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And then there's groups like my group there, they got bought.
They now have seven hundred clinics across the country. So
there's groups that are working and understanding you put the
patient in the center instead of the insurance company. So
it's it's coming, it's very slow.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Are they finding that in your prior company? Are they
finding that they can make money.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
And be profitable?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I mean really profitable, And obviously that's what a business
is about without the insurance component.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
In my previous company did we did no billing. We
were paid directly by the employer, and we were paid
by the employer to manage the total population. And so
having a consistant provider manage a population by getting to
know who you are and managing your care. When you
go to a cardiologist or a gi or undercinologist, you're
getting a snapshot of your patient. And I always say
that the specialists are diagnosticians. They're not care givers. So

(07:14):
if you give that information back to the primary care
and saying I am the person who's managing your whole care,
we'll bring all the components together. We're going to take
care of you, and we're going to find out what's
causing this.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
We were able to.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
We had when I sold the company, we had two
hundred different employers and almost all of them were getting
a return on investment.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
We were making a profit, and when we're.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Reaching probably seventy to eighty percent of the population and
improving their health, so it was really a win win
win for everybody. The providers loved it, the payers loved it,
the patients were getting an experience beyond belief, and.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Then the insurance companies aren't getting as many.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Claims correct, so they loved it too.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
You're exactly right. You're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's very Now, why is medicare doing this new program?
Do you think what's motivating them?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Here here's my belief. I'm guessing from the sidelines, but
here's what I believe. I think when you look at
the diseases that are facing Americans today, the disease that
consumes the most resources over a long period of time
is cognitive decline in Alzheimer's Because if you have cancer,

(08:19):
if you have a heart condition, they're not going to
probably last ten to twelve years.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
With deteriorating conditions.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
You can have some supplements for cancers, some for heart
probably not going to have ten or twelve years. But
what happens is with cognitive decline, people become completely incapacitated.
I believe that Medicare thinks there's not going to be
enough long term care, assisted living centers, There's not going
to be enough private duty for the patients, There's not
going to be enough resources in the last three and
families are constrained by this. People are going broke by

(08:49):
trying to support this opportunity. So I think Medicare believes
I believe, I hope they believe this that we have
to bend the curve here. We have to do something
or we're all going to go. Who are trying to
provide Medicare for the volumes of people who could be
affected by this?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, Doctor Redison said, three hundred and fifty thousand dollars
a year is what family space if their loved ones
are in a care center.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yes, it's amazing, and that's probably I do think that
they've underestimated how many people are going to have cognitum
decline in Alzheimer's, and you're actually seeing it showing up
in the younger years like you've seen with cancer and
heart problems. And because a lot of times people go
to the doctor by themselves, and the doctor will say,
here's the things that are wrong, and are you having

(09:35):
any other problems? If they're by themselves, are going to
say no. So I think we're just not capturing all
of the opportunities to bend this curb ins on this disease.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Is it forty five million Americans a year that are
currently in cognitive decline?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Is that the right number? I don't I'm not sure
that that.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think it's around thirteen million that's expected, but I'm
not sure.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, I should look it up. Because doctor Gretison did
say what the in my podcast? You should listen to
that podcast if you have a chance. It's on YouTube
right now. We just posted it live, so if you
have to, I think you find it really fascinating.

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Speaker 1 (10:56):
How did the concept get you evolved or get defined?
And what is the concept and what is the mission?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
So so doctor Bretson was got pretty excited when he
discovered we can turn this around if we get to
the root cause.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
And he trained a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yes he did, and so some of the people got
into it, and we're a little bit over their heads,
you know, they were like, Okay, this is this is
not as easy as it sounds. We know the protocols,
but it's going to take time. Doesn't really fit into
my practice, you know, I may not be able to
handle all the complications with the population. So there was
it happened to be a clinic in Sarasota, Florida, that
the provider got into it and said, I, this is

(11:37):
not I'm just I have a population here, but I
need somebody else to manage it. And so I had
just sold my company and I had met doctor Bretison,
and we decided, well, let's go take that population and
see if we can put primary care in the center
of it, managing the whole patient. Because a lot of times,
if you have cognitive decline or cognitive issues, you go
to your primary care doctor, they send you to a
neurologist or somebody else, and then you sit around and

(12:00):
wait to decline. So so putting the primary care around
the center saying a couple of things. One is we're
going to manage your total care. We want to, you know,
and Dale and I talked about this. Doctor Brest and
I talked about this. We're going to manage your total care.
And that's really important because a lot of times when
people have cognitive declineate, it's hard for them to express
all of their issues that are going on with their health.

(12:22):
So we'll find they haven't managed their diabetes, we haven't
managed their hormones, they have other issues going on, and
so we really try to manage the total person and
then we treat them as a holistic person trying to
manage their care. The second thing we understand is that
you can't just say to the person, here's what's going on,
here's why it's happening.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Go home.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well, you know, it's like when you go to a conference.
You go to a conference and you learn all these things,
you go back and do the same thing you've always done. Well,
we stay in touch with our patients and I call
it a living care plan. Here's what's going on with you,
Here's what's happening. Here's some steps that we want to
start to take to turn this around. And we're going
to be calling you making sure that we're keeping touch
with you to make sure your whole health is moving

(13:03):
in that direction.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
We have to make it livable.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
People have to live their lives, but we have to
make care plans for them that they can start to implement.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
However, if they're incognitive decline, they're being brought in by
a caregiver.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
They are and I'll tell you what happens with the
cognitive declines and people. The two things happened when you
open the clank. I was a little surprised by this,
so First of all, a lot of people are afraid
to find out what's wrong with their brain. You know,
we put up a sign this as brain health. Nobody
wanted to come like that. And the people who are
the hardest to come were people who are in their
six They just retired. They want to enjoy their life.

(13:36):
They don't want to know that there is a potential
into it, so.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
It was really sad them.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Plus they believe that there's nothing that can be done.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
So the people who did come to us were people
who had some pretty severe cognitive issues because they were
tired of not being managed. They were tired of being
sent home and told to decline. Just do this and
you know, you'll just continue to deteriorate. Well, when we
were able to diagnose some of the patients understand what
was going on with them, we were able to do
two things. One, we treated like I'm a whole person,

(14:04):
so we're really cleaning up a lot of other health issues.
But we're able to train the caregiver what to expect,
so if they have different kind of things to help
them manage their care more effectively. They really really appreciated
us taking care of that whole person number one, And
to knowing how to expect things from that patient by

(14:25):
understanding what was causing it.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
And when we.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Catch people at a certain level, there's a Montreal Cognitive
assessment test. If we catch them at a certain level
and we have the opportunity to identify what's turning them around,
we have eighty percent of our patients are actually improving,
which is significant because typically is set to go home
to decline one to three percent. Well, if you even stabilize,

(14:48):
that's an incredible thing. So I'm working with a family
who has You couldn't get much lower in the cognitive decline,
but the family's so grateful for that total care, that
total care about does she have a UTI? Does she
have a does she have is she got her diabetes?
They understood that she had diabetes, wasn't managed. She lost
twenty pounds. She's actually healthier than she was. She's she

(15:10):
was when she came to us. She had sixteen medications.
She's down to seven now and feeling better. She's her
cognition is probably not going to come back, but it's
actually they're managing a healthier person.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well, how do you know the cognition won't come back
if all the other health issues are being addressed and
even cured.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Some are.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Some are just it's been too long before they've started
the process going, but some are. We you know, we
had some really good success stories. We had a ninety
two year old woman who has lost her independent wasn't
be able to drive. We were able to uncover what
was causing that she's back out driving having a home.
I ran into two patients in our clinic the other

(15:51):
day and I couldn't tell which one was the difference.
I was a daughter and mother, and the daughter said
in September she couldn't say her name or know who
I was.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Now we're arguing over who's cooking dinner. So it's really wonderful.
People just don't realize.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Now I do say this to people, and as I'm
not talking to them, is that the disease actually starts,
as we all know, ten to fifteen years in advance.
And what happens is we're fighting those things that are
attacking our bodies and our brains, and around fifty we
start as slowly, we're not as healthy as we used

(16:27):
to be, We're not fighting like we did. That's when
it starts to show off as we get older because
those things we didn't change in our thirties forties, you know,
and now it shows up. So I encourage people and
I tell families, let's think about you, but let's think
about your children, you know, let's think that we can
avoid this sort of thing. So a lot of times
we get families and the kids and the parents and

(16:47):
the you know, the brothers and sisters to come get
the whole testing, to say, what could cause me to
have this decline and how do we turn it around?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, particularly if they see one of their family members,
they know genetically they maybe you know, maybe they have
the APO for alile, the genetics that would predispose them
to Alexander's at least, you know, as doctor Gretison.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Said, doesn't mean that you have a death sentence. It
means you just have to work harder too.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
But if you know, if a family member already has
a cognitive to client, then it.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Could very well be that it's running in the family
right absolutely.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
And the woman that I ran into the claim that
was arguing with her daughter, she APO eight three, and
so she she was understood that she was probably got
a thirty and forty chance I was having that gene
turned on. But she's actually she was so dynamic. It
was amazing to see her come to life. And that's
what we do as we see people come to life.

(17:46):
So it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So so tell me about the tell us, about the
prototype of the of the Gray matters. If you if
you were going to one of your facility you have
you have three facilities now, correct, yes, okay, Sarasota.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Where are the other two Jacksonville and ponte Vedra.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, So, but plans are for what kind of expansion?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well right now? Because with the Guide program. When Medicare
set up the Guide program, they invited people across the
country to apply for this program. Four hundred people applied,
ninety seven were approved across the country to be one
of those that was Guide certified to start right away,

(18:28):
and we were one of the ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh so there's no.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
More people that are going to be invited into this program. So,
I mean it could change this innate year program. This
is what they're saying now. So what has happened is
we're having people reach out to us to be partners
with them to help manage their patients, maybe another practice,
maybe another territory, so we can come in. It allows
us to have time to work with the families and

(18:51):
the patients, but it allows the provider to hang on
to their patients if they wanted to continue to do.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
The primary care.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So we're being asked around the country to be partner
and other practices.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
So does that mean you'll have bricktion mortar, We will.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Join in somebody's bricks and mortars, or we might continue
to develop our own. I would say the other thing
that's really nice about our situations. As you know, we're
in Sarasota and it's a destination location for a lot
of people, and so so we have a lot of
people who are here seven months of the year and
they go back to Pennsylvania and Michigan, Ohio wherever they are.
We still do a lot of telehealth. We can still

(19:28):
manage them collectively. We also have people because of doctor Brettison,
who knows them very well and knows that we have
this clinic, calls from all over the world. We can
do the telehealth from our office. So basically our process
is to first do a lot of blood us because
we know that doing the whatever is in your.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Blood is in your system.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So we do the blood tests and we get a
lot of information and then we do the cognitive tests.
We have cognitive assessment tests, we have the Mocha test,
we have a version of the CNS sets, which is
we've made it equivalent to be on the internet, so
we can do that process. So we take that information
and it's a lot of information. So we really try

(20:11):
to have two or three visits with the patient to
go over what's happening with them. Sometimes it's blatantly clear
that we see that there's a problem. As an example
in in Florida, but also in other parts of the country,
the mold is a problem. But when people think of mold,
I think mold in your house or the black mold.
But there's mold in your food. There's more, you know,

(20:33):
in chemicals that you're taking in so there's there's probably
there's five logical molds that you can find, so we
try to look at those. Those are the things that
we can immediately say in the care plan less Trinity
docs detox mold out of your system. Some of the
other things that we can see are do they have
an infection, do they have have they had a constant
infection like herpes, something that stays out that's underlying the

(20:57):
dental diseases. We've had people who've had silver in their mind.
We've found We had a gentleman who was actually we
all we did all of the care telehealth wise, but
we kept saying, there's a problem with your dental We
think that there's a and he was like, no, no,
I got the best well turned out Underneath the silver
filling was an abscess and infection growing.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
So no one had told him.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
No one had told him, no it.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Sometimes these things are hard to find, but if you
do the lab test, the right lab test, you can
see that there's something going on.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
We can figure that out.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
So that series is really our start to get going
down the process for people. Some people may need more testing,
some may need less, but it really gives us a
foothold of how to manage this patient. What's going on.
It could be sleep, it could be exercise, it could
be you know, there's there's first responders as an example,
people who are firefighters who go into chemical buildings. There's

(21:49):
you know, people who work in the residential areas who
are taking on some of these plumbers. Maybe in residentials
they're breathing the chemicals that they're putting into the piping
and whatever they're doing to mold things.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
So there's people who may have some risk factors who
should get tested about those things. Factories, you know, a
round up.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
All of those things are really people are using aluminum
processed food.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You know, all of those things are really things.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
That are contributing to the person's cognitive decline.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
It's quite daunting though, for a consumer, particularly someone who's
in cognitive decline, so that you know, the family support
mechanism is really critical. But even those people sometimes are
very allopathic in their approach, and so you have to
convert not only to a functional approach, but you have

(22:41):
to get compliance. It's one thing to teach them, it's
quite another thing to get action.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
So how do you overcome those challenges?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, if I could tell you, if I could tell
you the limited story.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I think that's oftentimes the best way.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I had a friend who had a mother who is
in decline, and I kept going, I'm really embarrassed that
you have your mother not seeing our clinic, you know,
just at least for the testing. No, no, no, We've
had our primary care forever. She loves her primary care.
It's wonderful the only problem she has is blood pressure.
I said, okay, but you know how people are, a

(23:17):
lot of people will ask their neighbor before they asked
their provider what's going on. Of course, the mom had
blood pressure problem, and so they called me saying I
have a blood pressure problem. I was like, well, did
you set her up as she had an infection? Did
she get hurt that'll cause blood pressure to go?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
And I said, well, why don't you bring her to
our clinic? No, no, no, we're going to our primary
care doctor. So they took her back to the primary
care doctor and they increased her blood pressure medicine. So
we finally, finally, and I said, well, and the second
time they called me, they said, well, you know.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
They're going to see her in three weeks. I go
three three weeks, let me get.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
You in tomorrow. So we got her in tomorrow and
it turned out that she had a UTI that had
been undetected so much that it affected her kidneys. But
the problem is when we when we got rid of
the UTI, her blood pressure dropped to ninety oh. She
did not need to be on any of the blood
pressure medicine. So so we because they called me again

(24:12):
and said her blood pressures at ninety five. I go,
oh my gosh, that's terrible. They go, no, you don't understand.
It's now moving up because we took her off of
all of those medications. She never needed to be on
the blood pressure medicine. She needed to be diagnosed as
a real person. And that's just that's just sort of
a now they're believers. Now they're like, oh my god,
you saved her life. And plus you know, there's all

(24:32):
other complications going on that had not been covered. The
problem is the family gets so used to going and
seeing the same person who knows them that and the
person the person the patient was not capable of really talking.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
About what was going on.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And so it's just, you know, those kind of experiences
get people out talking and saying, wait, you should come,
you should go, you need to get an assessment. Even
when I was a healthcare CEO in Chicago and in Boston,
and I'd always say to people, you know what, I
firmly believe in second opinions, even with primary care, because
if you've gone to a primary care doctor for the
last thirty years, chances are they remember you as the

(25:09):
day you came in the first thirty years. You know,
it's just a fresh look. Is not a bad thing,
it's not harmful, it's a good thing. So I always
encourage people just go and Plus, if we do all
that lab work for you, that you own that lab work.
That's what's going on in your system. You should have
that information. You shouldn't be going on.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
So it's just important information.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
And you know, I talk to people and I encourage them,
and we don't hurt them. We call it a hopeful process,
not a hurtful process, and we're just trying to help
so and we're getting good results.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well, you have to be really not only a practitioner
and a technically trained person to understand all the labs
and all the mechanics of this, but you also.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Have to be a teacher.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yes, I think that's the most critical thing that primary
care doctors have to do is be a teacher. I
was just talking to a group of primary care doctor saying,
the most important thing you can do is educate your patient.
You know, don't just treat them for the symptom or
the costs. Educate. How did that happen? What caused that
people like to learn about their health So you really

(26:14):
have to be a teacher. And I would just say
the other thing. The lads that we run the challenges
if you if you ask your primary care doctor to
run them, they wouldn't know how to interpret them because
they don't do it all day long exactly, So they're
not going to be They're not going to be able
to know what to do with it anyway. So that's
why we're good partners with some of the primary care practices.
We can come in and say, here's what's happening, and

(26:34):
we can educate them as well as.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Long as as long as they're not threatened by you.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
You know, a lot of these people are extremely setting
their ways.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Because they've done it. This is the way I've always
done it. This is what they taught me in medical school.
I never had to take a nutrition course.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
You know, you really have to piece somewhat of a
like as patient as job to be able to, you know,
get compliant from both sides, the patient side and the
primary care side.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
You do, we have to be non threatening to everybody.
I think the challenge again for healthcare is that even
though you may learn the greatest things in the residents
school and their training, when you go out, they usually
peer you up as the most senior person. You know,
the most senior person's in charge. That's why they say,
on average it takes about thirty years to make a
change in healthcare. And it just does you know, and

(27:26):
even though there's common sense out there, it is threatening
to a provider to not know all the answers right.
And when we can be a non threatening partner and
helping them see the patient get better, we just try
to be helpful.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Do you ever do any kind of seminars or webinars
or with the primary care professional so you get that side,
to get you know, involved in a way that educatedly involved.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
We try a challenge and a lot of geographies are
that the doctors are all aligned with a health system,
and the health systems usually believe they have all the
answers to the whole stream of services, and so if
you're not part of that system, is hard to get
people together to listen to this. The other thing is

(28:17):
providers in the traditional medical sense are a little leary
of functional medicine. You know, part of the problem that
I saw with functional medicine is how do you know
you have a good functional medicine? Doctor because we really
don't have the quality assurance measures in functional medicine.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
So functional medicine.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
To me in Chicago could be completely different than functional
medicine to me in Boston, you know, or even here
in Florida. So there's just there's just different pieces. Now
I would say Gray matters fits into this because we are.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Are mds with.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Functional medicine and we also take insurance. So most everything
that we do to do the screening and the and
the uncovering of what's the causes are covered by insurance,
which is great.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well, that's huge because so much resistance does come finance
from the financial side. Well, the intellectual side is the
big one, because you have to change opinions and you
have to get people to change their ways, which the
older people get the harder.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
That becomes as a.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
As a challenge. But the financial side on the other
side of that, though, the argument is well would you
rather spend three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year
in a care for a care facility or spend whatever
your fees are to get cured.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
That's really a no brain or no pun intend.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Visit here, thank you, So.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Debra, why is it in your opinion that Alzheimer's and dementia,
these let's call it the disease of Alzheimer's has been
such an abysmal failure in the medical solving, solving the
root causes or the v causes, and getting people to

(30:07):
overcome this disease. As doctor Bretison says, you know, very boldly,
we should be the last generation that considers us as
a as a threatening disease.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
It'll be like polio, is what he said.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
But that seems so I mean, he's he's brilliant, but
it seems so unreachable when you look at what's out
there today. So what's your opinion about why there's been
billions of dollars spent on research and looking for cures
and every one of them has failed.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I think the first problem is that they're looking
at solving the problem, not the symptom. So they want
to they want to find a pill or prescription that's
going to say you're not going to have a plaque.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, you, I think you meant the opposite. You meant
they're looking for a way to solve the symptom and
not the problem. I correct, Yes, they want to, but
I knew what you meant, Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
They're solving.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
They're solving what is causing that, which is a plaque
covering the brain from the attack.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
They're not saying what's attacking the brain.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
So they and we've.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Been trained as Americans, I think, to think that we
need a simple pill to fix everything, and you know,
we like immediate gratification. It's been probably in the last
ten and I hate to say it this way, but
the one thing that happened with COVID is people started
paying attention to their health. Everybody had to pay attention.
Before trying to get people to pay attention was I

(31:34):
have good insurance plans that'll take care of me. Well,
they didn't think about their overall health. What are they eating,
what are they sleeping, are they exercising? All those sorts
of things. So we're starting to get people to think
about their health a little more think about that. So
I think we're moving in that direction, but we're still
trying to solve the symptom, not the risk.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
And so, and why do you feel more women get
Alzheimer's and men?

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Is it something to do with hormones or.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I'm not a climb not so I can answer that.
I do want to say one more thing that I
think is a problem in this health system. If the
disease has started in your forties and fifties, right, why
aren't we testing for that in our.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Forties and fifties.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Because if you go for your physical with your provider,
your primary care provider, they're going to do diabetes checks,
they're going to check your cholesterol, they're going to check
your heart, they're going to check all of these things.
Does nobody says, let's check what's affecting your brain?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Exactly? Yeah, yeah, that's why.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know, if you go for a colonoscopy, why are
you not going for a cognoscopy? As doctor Renison says,
you know that it just seems like it should be
a part of the routine, but it just has I mean,
I have never had a doctor ask me. And I
go to all the you know, really great functional medicine
wants too, but they don't ask me to do anything

(32:59):
with my brain unless you're going to a brain expert,
like if you were seeing a pathaway or you want
one of his doctor Retisin's protocols are protoges. So that
does present a big issue. We treat the symptoms, we
look for a pill. We want instant gratification. We don't

(33:22):
really do a thorough a job on the lab testing
to really get to the root cause. That would be
some of the reasons.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Right that you're absolutely and I think that we haven't
recognized that. And the other thing is if we checkt
people in their forty and fifties. When I had my
other company, I would say to the employers, would say, well,
we have twenty years old. They probably don't have bad numbers,
but I'd always say that they probably have bad habits
and the habits are going to it's going to get
them in trouble. So if we could check think more

(33:52):
about people's habits at forty five and fifty, what's going
to get them into trouble, we'd be able to educate
people a little better and we can change that. You know,
people don't understand a lot of times, patients don't understand
that what they're doing is harmful to their health. And
I used to say to the providers all the time,
the only person in the exam room who can improve

(34:12):
their health.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Is the patient.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
They have to be the CEO of your own health.
If you're not doing it, no one else will do
it for you, and so you have to take charge.
And that means first and foremost.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Education, absolutely education, but you also you also there's a
fine line between educating the patient and having them direct
their care. A lot of times when we look at
let's say like pancierge doctors or any other doctors, the
patients are still calling the shots when I want to
be seeing what I want taken care. If you have
your primary care doctor who's saying, I know your health,

(34:47):
I know your lifestyles, I know your risk factors. I'm
going to be your health coach managing your health. You
can make these choices that you want, but here's your consequences.
We just need more health And I used to we
trained all of our providers and my other company to
be health coaches. I didn't want the patient have to
tell our story twice and tell it to you, and

(35:09):
I'm going to tell it to my coach. I said, well,
wait a minute, why don't we tell train the providers
to be the health coaches telling you the story. I
can tell you at the same time, here's what's happening,
here's what you need to do, Here's what the consequences are.
And people and I think you've raised a couple of times.
People like to be educated, and they like to learn,
and they like to know it's non judgmental, and it's

(35:29):
respectful and we're here to help.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Except you also mentioned the word habit, and I think
changing habits is one of them. It's probably the most important,
but it's also the most challenging of your of what
faces you to get people to make change in their lives,
I guess, you know, it just depends on the individual

(35:53):
and how bad it is. I find that so many people,
you know, I interact with so many people, and you know,
whether it's friends or colleagues or just you know, business connections, whatever.
And when you get talking about these things, and what
you hear so often is that people don't react until

(36:14):
they have a crisis.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Exactly right.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And that's why when we had with my company, we
tried to get people to come in, everybody to come
in for established care. Physical don't wait for the crisis,
his friends, when you've had the crisis, you can't go
back from there. You've already had that catastrophic event. So
it's really it changes your whole life.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
At that point.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
You don't need to have that catastrophic event. You need
to learn first, So we really want people to understand
learn about your health, learn early.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Learn.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
But the other thing I would say is what we
try to do with with great matters is that we
give them a care plan.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
We know they're going to go home and go back
to their lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
But when the provider calls them at home in two
days and says, how are you doing with that plan,
that starts to Oh, my provider is calling me saying
this is really important that I just changed some of
these things. And we want to change things very slowly,
things that are can you can you give up some
of these things? Can you do some of these things?
Can you change about some of these things. We're not
going to tell them to change their whole world, because

(37:10):
they have to live in their world, but we're going
to try to and we're going to be by their
side to say we're going to support you. Just give
it a try. You know, we want to see. I mean,
I'm actually a terrible patient myself, but you know, having
people call me and say, you know, did you do that,
I'm like, Oh, I guess I really care that it's
important I should think about those things.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
So we really try to stay in touch with our patients.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Can you actually have any psychologists or people who are
trained in changing behavior? Do you have anything like that
that is consulting with great matters?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
We do have in our different territories. We have different
people that we know and be good good support coaches.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
You they don't work for you, but you can refer people,
and so it's like you're like a distribution, like an OEM.
You're creating the opportunities for people by refer Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
And appropriate referrals, referrals.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
The nice thing is it's an educated patient that's going
for the right reasons, so they don't have to hunt
and find what's going on. They need to learn what
we're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
So yeah, like like nutrition is too or yeah, yeah,
I mean a lot of times people are getting educated.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I think the thing that we find is we have
to tell them what not to eat.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I mean they they you know, and it's hard
to change people's diets, you know, and sometimes there's there's
food deserts and it's hard to get to the food,
and you know, there's different things going on. But trying
little bits of a time getting in the right direction
is helpful.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I think one of the biggest things that this is
just you know, my thought. But you can challenge me
on this, but it just seems like just changing the
mindset for oh, by the way, dementia or Alzheimer's caused
by beta amyloid plaque or by how.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Tangles or whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
You know, the.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Latest and greatest reasoning is in the in the primary
care world, in the allopathic world. But to change people's
minds about what the root causes is that one of
the biggest challenges that faces you.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
It's it's it's very frustrating to me.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
And I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'll tell you another story I have. I grew up
on a farm in Nebraska, and you know, farmers lives
are very very hard and money is very hard to
come by. And so I had a friend call and
say they want him to take the drug. Well, the drug,
I said, the drug is not going to cure the person.
It's delays, it slows it down, but it extends the condition,
it does not change it. And it was twenty five

(39:41):
thousand dollars. That's a lot of money to people who
have no money.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Oh, and not covered by insurance.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
No, not that time.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
And I was just like, that's just like, that's just
like selling your farm, you know. I mean, it's just
like it's.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Just not good.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
You know, it's but people, people are fearful.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
When you have that these you want you want anybody
to help you, anybody to you. You don't want to
know the consequences. You don't know what's going to happen,
because you're you're afraid, You're scared to death. You know
this is you're going to lose, lose everything. So it's
really it's really hard to get some people to not
panic is the problem. And it's panic.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
That's why I had mentioned about the psychologists, because a psychiatrists,
because you have this whole emotional component, which you know,
attitude is is one of the biggest causes of people.
A bad attitude or negative attitude is one of the
big causes is for stagnation, for or in action, you know,

(40:43):
because they are so it's fear.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
It's fear based it is.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
And you know, and and another case that I worked with,
the we knew we could help the the spouse, but
the partner had already given up not going.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, and you know, I understand the exhaustion and I
understand the frustration, but you know.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
It's it's you know, it's it.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Takes, it's a family disease, and it's it's it's really
affects everybody, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Gibra, Honestly, you're what you're describing means that you must
take on.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
A lot of energy. How do you deal with that?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
How do you not get yourself to feel discouraged when
you have situations like that which you just mentioned about
the caregiver giving up?

Speaker 4 (41:35):
How do you get yourself above all that?

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I know this is the.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Same thing a doctor, any doctor has.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
To deal with, is how do you you know, how
do you get above it and not get emotionally attached?

Speaker 4 (41:46):
But it seems like such a challenge, Well, how do
you deal with that?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Well? I think that the thing is that because we
have so many successes, it's good to see that. So
I number one, feel good that I have had my
eyes open that we have a problem here and we're
not treating people correctly in our current systems, and to
actually see people come alive again is very rewarding to me.
It's very it's very It makes it breaks my heart

(42:11):
to see that I see that person all the time,
and I'm just like, oh my gosh, I think we
could have done something. But but if you can't, you can't.
But those you can, and you see the difference. You're
very gratifying that. And and that's the other reason why
I'm sort of passionate about saying, and with doctor Bretison
as well, this is this is not correct that we

(42:32):
continue down this path the way we treat people in
the normal health systems. We've got to get ahead of
it early. We shouldn't be dealing with this. People shouldn't
be afraid of it. People should embrace it and say,
this is the brain drives everything. Why aren't we paying
attention to it?

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Why don't we.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Do something about it? And I just I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
But I you know, I was a health I wouldn't
have in my former life as a healthcare CEO, and
ever thought about it. I just thought, we're treating whatever
we're supposed to do and how we do it. But
now that I'm you know, digging into these details, I'm like,
oh my gosh, I'm so embarrassed that we do these things.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
We could do so much better.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
That's why coming on podcasts, it's like it's like baby steps.
But honestly, the more you can get out there and
tell the story and reach more and more people, I
know it's a very time consuming effort, and also more
pr from the media that helps to promote early detection

(43:29):
and helps to promote testing, and then the patient at
the the end of the day can go to their.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Primary care and say I want this.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I've read about it, this is something I want, and
now the doctor has to comply unless they're, you know,
being completely stubborn about it.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
But it would just seem to me that more and more.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Patients asking like, why do you think so many patients
have turned to supplements because allopathic medicine has failed them so?

Speaker 4 (43:59):
And why is the MAHA movement becoming so widespread and popular?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Is because people know there's something wrong right right.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I have to tell you that one of the reasons
I started by other company was I would get patients
come to me and we had we had eleven hundred
for buyers, and you know, six hundred thousand patients were treating.
But they'd come and say, I've done all my age
specific screens, I still don't.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Feel well, and nobody tell me.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Nobody can tell me why I don't feel well right Well,
nobody would answer her call, you know, I'd call a cardiologist.
I call it call these I called all your people.
Nobody's answering my call. That's when I say, we're doing
something terribly wrong here. And when we fix the things
that are fixing the brain, when we're working on those
root causes, we're actually fixing the whole body. You know,

(44:46):
a leaky gut, They have other things that are going on.
It actually is taking care of the whole system because
we're taking it from your from the things they are
traveling through your blood and affecting oxygen, from getting your
brain and taking care of your whole house system. So
it's really a COMPREHENSI approach.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, and think about it.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
They, you know, the microbiome has become the kind of
darling of the functional medicine world, and it really is
ninety percent in whatever, seventy eighty percent whatever. They you know,
whoever you're listening to, tells you that your immune system
is in your gut, So why not start there? And
that's why Dale was so so refreshing, And you're so

(45:25):
refreshing because you do focus on the whole body and saying, look,
if we can fix your gut, this is just one example,
but if we can fix your gut, we can probably
fix your brain because of the gut brain access, which
nobody ever really thought about. And then serotonin is made
in the gut, and why do people feel depressed? And
you know they call it, you know, some brain disorder,

(45:48):
but it's actually a gut disorder. And if you're not
producing dopamine and serotonin and the other neuro endorphins right.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Right, absolutely, I'll tell you. I mean, there was eye
opening for me with my other company to find out.
I said that some of the patients that we treated
that were the worst were people who were in the
system and overtreated and people who hadn't been to the
doctor for a long time. And the problem with people
who don't feel well a lot of times without knowing it,
and they're getting their care, they'll go see ten different
kinds of doctors and they're not getting one really good story,

(46:18):
one assessment. You know, they're looking for a solution. Well,
people shouldn't have to look for a solution. We should
be helping them find a solution.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yes, find the causes. So let's take a deep guide
into two things.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
One those root causes and what some of the treatments
are that you're doing. And two the lab testing that
helps you establish the baseline to find.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Those root causes.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So if you could tell us, you know, more comprehensively
what those can consist of, that would be that would
be excellent.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
So the labs are pretty thorough labs. I mean there's
a lot of vials of lab that comes out, but
I can go through all of them. But I'll tell
you what we're looking for looking for toxicity? Is there
toxicity in the system, Is there inflammation in the system?
Are we looking for mold? Are we looking for you know,

(47:10):
those are probably the common ones that are happening through
foods and exposures, and then it really becomes through other habits.
Like the cognitive issue comes into the fact about are
you actually stimulating your brain physically. A lot of people
aren't exercising as much as they should or exercising to
promote continue to promote the blood flow and oxygen to

(47:33):
your brain. Are you sleeping now, it's probably a bigger
problem than we know that people don't sleep well, and
so trying to get the testing that people understand they
may have sleep happening of some kind or they have
some other kind of sleep issue, and then.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Really getting them to start to.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Think, like as doctor Neils, who's our chief meth losses,
ballroom dancing, thinking and moving at the same time is
a really good and be able to connect all the
pieces together. So those those are sort of the things
that we look for. And then when we get that information,
we start to drill down, well, why we had one
woman who had a lot of toxicity and inflammation, Well

(48:12):
we found that she was walking her dog among all
the traffic every morning and breathing in all of these
fumes from the cars or living from that capacity or
you know. So we then try to drill down and say, well,
why is this happening? You know, is are these things?
What are you exposed to now? So we can kind
of drill that. Then we'll try to detox that and
say let's first of all get you on the environment

(48:32):
or in the environment, or help with your sleep, or
help with your food. And then we continue to retest
that process.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
So for the food test, you do food allergy tests.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
We can if we find out that they a lot
of people do know their allergies already by the time
they come to us, but there may be some things
that they don't know about, so we can if they
if we don't if we don't get if we don't
get to the solution and the first series of lab
tests and everything, we continue to drill down and say
there's there's more tests that need to be done, but
we try to do the first screening and then we

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try to drill into something that may be lingering there
that we haven't been able to identify.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
So, are your scans the same scans that Apollo Health
uses with the.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Peachile two seventeen and the.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
NBA or whatever the guy I think it's called, those
three combouts? Is that the same tests.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
That you use?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
We actually have the different We have those, but we
have more and some more enhanced ones as well.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Okay, so if someone wants to I'm just.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Thinking about, you know, our viewers, if someone wants to
go through this program, what would the steps be?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
They would just they We have a website, Grave Matters
Health dot org. Frankly, if you go to the Grave
Matters health dot org, there's a little test right on
the on the screen that you can say, I want
to take a little cognitive test there and it'll it'll
do a mini Montreal Cognitive Assessment test. But if you
wanted to have a free session, really had what we

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would do wherever you live, they can call in, we
can get an appointment and it'll we'll walk you through.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
You know you live here.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Here's what we'd want to do, Here's how the screening
would work, and be able to set people up they
want to get started.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
And what's the first step be at the test? The
big the bigger.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Scan, the bigger it would be, the bigger process, the
bigger lab test.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
If we do that screening, yes.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Okay, And so how much does it cost for someone
to take that first step with great matters.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
If the insurances, if the labs are covered, the total
screening cost if we were doing it and they had
no insurance coverage to be about twenty five hundred dollars okay.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
And what if they do have insurance.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
They do have insurance, it's probably going to cost about
three hundred.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Dollars two hundred and fifty dollars. Well, that's a huge difference.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
It is, it is, But I would also say this,
like you said earlier, twenty five hundred dollars or three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, and frankly the twenty
five hundred dollars. It's your information that you need to
know about.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
It's a good application.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
So does medicare cover that first screen?

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yes, they do, so if someone calls you and.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Has medicare, because probably unfortunately the forty and fifty year
olds are not usually taking these steps yet.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
This is going to be the process.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
That's you're challenge that you know includes the younger generation.
But let's just say they already have Medicare, so they
call up first, they take the little test on the website.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
They don't they think, but they can't.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
It's helpful to them, yeah, just to get an idea.
And by the way, they don't have to have issues
or symptoms to to In fact, that's what you're encouraging,
because twenty years before you're going to show any signs
of dementia, you are actually you could actually start having.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
The symptoms, but you just don't feel it. Correct.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
That's why doctor Medison said at forty years old, people
should start contacting you.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
So okay, let's just say.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
It's a healthy person but they're sixty years old or
sixty five. Because they have Medicare, so now they get covered, right,
so that you send them to a lab, you send
them remutation.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
So let me just make one commification.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
If they have insurances like we have Blue Crossman Shield
or Florida in their in their forties and fifties, a
lot of times the labs will be covered.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
So that takes six hundred dollars off of that fee.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Oh okay, good, I'm glad to say that.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So I also want to add in a clarification. Advantage
plans are not covered because they've already got a primary care.
I think the government looks at them and says, we're
already supplementing them already, and so they're not covered at
the moment where there's a push to try to get
them in because it's going to reduce all the costs
of the advantage plans for.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
People to true they sometimes they don't connect the dogs.
They don't so somebody calls in.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
If they're going to go in the Guide program, then
all of that's covered one hundred percent. If they're Medicare
and they aren't going into the Guide program, but they
want that screen, they would pay probably the three hundred
and fifty dollars everything else would be covered.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
But didn't you say that guides program is going to
is capped off at already, that it's closed.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
No, no, we know the eligible providers.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Are Oh oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
So how does one if you're on Medicare, how does
one get enrolled in that program?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
We enroll you.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
If you want to be part of it, we can
enroll you.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
And that's no cost to the patient. Well, then why
wouldn't you do that? Is then you get everything for free?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah, plus plus we coordinate.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
If it's a Medicare program and they are coordinated and
they want they want some respite care, the government will
give them twenty five hundred dollars for rest, but care
for like adult day care center or some private duty.
We help to help coordinate if they need meals on
wheels or any kind of transportation issues. It's a full
coordinating package if they want it. A lot of people
are just happy to have the hair given and assessment

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understanding their patient.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
But yes, it's one hundred percent cover.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
You know, Debra.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
What I want to encourage today on this podcast is
people who are not feeling any symptoms, people who are
feeling extremely healthy and fit, and you know those that's
really our demographic anyway, most of them, you know, people
that watch this podcast are people who are feeling fine
but want to feel better or want to stay that way.

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So it's a lifespan and health span. So I'm just
encouraging people. Don't feel that you have to have a
symptom in order to contact Deborah.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Right right, I think that people are a little bit
nervous they should contact us. They want to stay healthy longer,
Like you're saying, longevity is the key. We want to
be healthy, but we want to be functioning and we
want to be able to maintain our independence. So I'm
getting tested because there may be some things that make
you feel better. A lot of times patients don't know
how good they can feel when they feel better, So we.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Really try to work through all that process.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
And I think I would also say to parents in
their sixties, have your kids go, so encourage your whole
family to go. We've had a family come down that
brought all fifteen of their family members.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Well that's amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
And the other good, great thing is this can all
be done by telehealth, so you don't have to live
in Sarasota or the other two cities in order to
get the treatments here. So the value of zoom calls
like what we're on right now, right? And just so,
do you assign a particular practitioner to each patient and

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that patient is like a concierge doctor.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
You do we have?

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I would say, yeah, our practitioner here in Florida has
dedicated totally on cognhum health.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
That's some primary care in Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
We do a lot of primary care with Cognet a
little bit opposite, but the results in getting started and
getting identification early are amazingly. You can really have a
long independent life if you want to have that.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
And do you advocate supplements over pharmaceutical drugs and you're
dealing with patients or how do you.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Walk that line?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Well, if there are supplements and even normal providers are
going to give you vitamin D sometimes they overdo that, right,
or vitamin B. If there is a lack somewhere for
somebody and it could be supported by supplements, we do that.
We don't make our money off of supplements, so we
really try to say here's an alternative for you if

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you want that. We also already get to medications either,
but we try to think the lifestyle is better if
you don't have to do medications. So we really try
to try to determine it by each individual.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I bet you have to wean people off of existing
drugs though.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
That's one of.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Your big challenges is how do you do that without
having repercussions.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Well, I think once they find out that, like that
person who had sixteen is not down to seventh, they've
never been healthier, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Mean they feel better.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
If you take a lot of medications, you're not feeling
all that great.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
It's right.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, I'm a big advocate of supplements, but with discretion,
right then't overdo it. But you know, I was listening
to Gary Brecca. I don't know if you know him,
but he's a big biohacker, and he was just saying,
you know, there are like five supplements that everybody should take.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Even if you don't think you need a supplement, you
should take this.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
And that would be vite them a D three with
K two because obviously they're like the twin. They're twins
and you don't want one without the other. So D
three K two and in the right form of course,
and then fish oils. But the ones would blow mercury,

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so that has to be a and there's so much discernment.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
That have to go on with these, right right.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
And then.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Well he said be complex, but methylated because he said,
you know, the methylate. A lot of people have the
mt h fr gene that they cannot methylate, and so
he advocates the methylation process. This is really important for
a lot of Alzheimer's patients too. And then within the

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methylated multi vitamin there's usually a B complex, but always
to find it methylated. So those were the three big
ones that I remember. I can't remember what else she said,
but but anyway, so yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
I mean, if you just had a baseline that everybody
could just get on, even even if they don't need
necessarily need it, it's replenishing what they already have.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Or in increasing the value of what they already have,
And those the ones that I'm on. So yeah, oh good,
well me too, and a lot of others. Then because
he did say, oh yeah, then if you want to
get to the next level, you might go on NMM
or z vera troll or you know some of the

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adaptogens like ashwagandha, you.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Know, things that's that gets to another level.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
But I wouldn't ever in your position, want to confuse
anybody with them until they did the testing and there
might be a really big, big need for something. Well,
they just signaled me that we're unfortunately at the end
of our one hour time, which it goes so fast.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
I swear.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I always think when I see that little five minutes
who left come up, I think, how.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Did that go?

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Buy so fast? But thank you? You've been absolutely lovely.
Is there anything I know I do before we go?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I want to tell people that you've offered an incredibly
wonderful gift for our viewers.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
So why don't you tell us what that would be.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
So if if there was somebody who would like to
come in and we could orc at straining, multitest would
be happy to do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
That, and so just tell how they would do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
They can say they had this podcast and they would
like to call that number and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
We'll be able to do that for them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Okay, So that number is it's on the website. Oh okay, okay, sure,
the website.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
That's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Well we'll put it on the show notes, okay, So
we'll be easy for people and it will be basically
it's a basic preliminary scam. Yes, and you'll then interpret
it and then guide people. And how long does that take.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
To do that? More than twenty or thirty minutes? Oh? Perfect?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Oh if anybody doesn't take you up on that, off
or I'll be shocked.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
But use the age.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Just use the code ageless when they call. Yes, okay,
everybody listening and watching, make sure use the ageless code.
And we'll give you the website, I mean the telephone
number to call and you'll probably hear from some of
our people. Is there any one message that you want
to leave with us today, Deborah? Before we part, I

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just want to say we are really here. We're a helpful,
helpful process. This is something that people should learn and
know about themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
It's always.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
All it's going to do is add to your knowledge
about your house.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Right, take responsibility for your own welfare. Yes, very good?

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
All right, Well you have a beautiful weekend. And thank
you so much for all your guidance and your insights
and and that incredibly valuable experience that you've had and
the understanding of people.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
That's what I picked up today.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
From you, that you have a sensitivity that you want
to help You really have the wonderful value that so
many people in the wellness world need to have, which is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
You really want to help people to get better. You do.
Thank you so much for your talking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Okay, so good to me is thank you, deb, thank you,
Bye bye Banger.