In this episode of Ageless & Timeless, Michele Hughes welcomes Dr. Daniel Pompa, a leading expert in cellular health, detoxification, and thyroid function. Dr. Pompa shares his deeply personal journey of overcoming chronic illness, shedding light on the hidden factors that contribute to thyroid dysfunction, chronic fatigue, brain fog, and autoimmune issues.Michele and Dr. Pompa discuss the critical role of cellular inflammation in disease and how most standard thyroid tests miss the real root cause of dysfunction. Dr. Pompa explains why toxins such as mercury, lead, and mold disrupt hormone balance and how the accumulation of these toxins in the body can lead to chronic health problems. He also highlights the importance of dietary fats and explains why certain oils, including fish oil and seed oils, may be harmful, while others, like cold-pressed olive oil and grass-fed tallow, can promote healing.A key part of the conversation centers around Dr. Pompa’s five R’s of cellular healing, a framework designed to repair the body at the source by addressing cellular inflammation and restoring optimal function. He introduces an at-home test for measuring cellular inflammation, which provides a deeper understanding of why some people struggle to heal despite following various health protocols.Dr. Pompa also shares details about his Pompa Program, a comprehensive approach to cellular detoxification. He discusses key supplements that support hormone function, gut health, and mitochondrial repair, including the Gut Enhancer for repairing the gut lining, Inflamm-R4 for reducing chronic inflammation, and Mito-Methylator for supporting mitochondrial function and energy production.Exclusive Offers & ResourcesDr. Pompa is offering listeners of Ageless & Timeless a special discount on the Cellular Inflammation Test, which can reveal hidden health issues related to chronic inflammation. The test is available at PompaProgram.com, and listeners can use the code AGELESS10 for 10% off.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes at Ageless and Timeless.
My guest this morning is doctor Daniel Pompa, and I
think everybody knows him. He's one of those parapatetic all
over the internet, because you know what, this is a
man on a mission, and he is one of the
most passionate doctors I've ever met, and I've met many,
(00:31):
but he just cares so much to help us, all
of us to basically recover from any or not only recover,
but heal any kind of problems that we have. And
he focuses on the thyroid, but he encompasses everything that
is to do with wellness, correct, Anne.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's right, Yeah, the thyroid, because that's where a lot
of things start. It's the canary in the coal mine,
meaning it's so sensitive that a lot of people's unexplainable symptoms,
things like that start with the thought.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, you know, I had the pleasure of meeting you
at the fab Mancini. I don't know if you even remember,
but we were standing in the in the hall there
in the room, and your assistant brought you over and
so I feel really privileged that I met you in person,
because you have your energy comes across on the internet,
but it's even more dynamic when you meet you in person.
(01:28):
So anybody that has the opportunity to visit you. And
you live in Utah, I know, but you travel everywhere
because you're always giving lectures.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So it's true. I'm in Mexico. There's a hotel I'm
actually on the board with here and a well I'm
helping them build it out. So yeah, I came down
here for that. So yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm always I was in Austin doing some podcasts there.
From here I go to Atlanta. But yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You just love to share. That's that's the beauty of
your your spirit, your soul, your generosity about helping others.
So why don't you tell us, start us with your journey,
tell us how you got to where you are today.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Pain to purpose, that's honestly I.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Always say that, But you know what, Dan, my new
one is pain to purpose, to passion to power.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You don't mind it. Pain to purpose, passion to.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Power, and those are the four piece and I believe
in them because you know, it seems like so many
of my guests and myself have come to where we
are because of pain because of some health crisis. So
tell us about what happened to you and how you
your health crisis, Uh, you know, inspired you to become
(02:48):
who you are today.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I have three piece pain, to purpose, to promise, and
the promises and.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh I like that one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, it's like because when I was sick, and I'll
get into some more details. My wife literally things got
very bad at one point and we had two young
boys at the time time, and she literally was on
her knees crying out for answers, and God spoke to
her heart that not only was he going to get
me well, but I'm going to take a message to
the world. And by the way, when she would speak
(03:17):
that to me, I would get very angry actually because
I was My exact words were, I can't even help myself,
So how possibly why would you put that on me?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I looked at it as a weight instead of, you know,
the promise that God had for me. But here I
am today, and for twenty years I've been teaching doctors
everything that came out of my battle. And you know,
now we're taking a program to the world virtually that
helps people just like me. But you know, like so
many people. It started with unexplainable stuff, you know, fatigue,
(03:51):
and I just thought I was overtraining at the time.
I had a very busy practice. Thought I was overworking.
I pulled back and things weren't getting better in many ways,
they were getting worse. And then it was like anxiety.
And then it was like brain fog. It was like
I couldn't read anymore, I couldn't think anymore. I would
get off. I remember I couldn't even like pick clothing
in the morning, like it would be just almost overwhelming
(04:14):
to me. I'd get anxious. I couldn't drive, and like
if a yellow light came, I couldn't even make a
decision whether to stop or go. I wasn't adapting to
any stress, even loud noise like we had two young
kids and like screaming kid or child baby, like oh
my god, I would literally have to leave the house
or she would. Because I also had like extreme irritability,
(04:36):
like massive mood changes. I became someone who I wasn't
and it was horrible. And then my gut went like
many people, and I was chasing foods like many people.
But you know, I had the thyroid symptoms, right, I
had my hair was thinning. It was like, matter of fact,
that was a whole thing because I saw hair in
the drain and I thought it was my wife's and
(04:56):
she said, that's your hair, and I literally to prove
her wrong, I pulled out it was my hair. I
was this short and so but I was, you know,
losing muscle, skinny skinny fat. It was like my metabolism changed.
I mean, all these bad things that I never had.
And I knew my thyroid and adrenals were shot, but
when I would try to address them, things would you know,
(05:19):
some things would get worse, some things might have gotten better.
But the odd thing too, is like my blood work
was still normal.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It was like so that was very frustrating for me.
And there's a reason for that, because you know, it
takes ten twenty years oftentimes with thyroid dysfunction and adrenal
dysfunction before it actually shows up in blood work. And
then once it does, of course we can medicate it
and make the blood work normal, but we don't feel
well because the hormones have to get in the cell
(05:48):
for us to actually feel well. Doctors don't tell us that.
But anyway, part of what I teach, but The bottom
line is is that I finally figured out what was
going on upstream of my thighyroid, my adrenals, my hormones,
and all the symptoms. And then once I got to that,
it led me to getting my life back and everything
I teach. As I pointed out, so.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Dan, what is it about you? Do you think that
caused your blood work to be normal? And is this
typical of other people too? That they get the normal
results but yet they don't feel well.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Very typical, you know. People will say I have all
these symptoms of thyroid, right, and again it depends on
how long they lived with a symptoms. If they go
you know within the first five ten years, that your
blood work probably will be normal. But what happens is
hormones have to If this is a cell and we
have eighty trillion of these in our body, on every cell,
(06:46):
there's receptors like you know, kind of like a cell phone. Right,
you have a cell phone, but it has to connect
to a tower that's the receptor, right, and then the
cell phone works. We can get our message across, right,
But if there's no cell phone tower, something's blocking the
signal like a big cement wall. Then guess what, your
cell phone doesn't work. It doesn't matter, you know, if
you have a thousand dollars cell phone or not. But okay,
(07:06):
so the receptors act as those cell phone towers. Hormones
have to bind to those and then they themselves get
their message in the cell or you get themselves in
the cell, and then everything works fine. But what if
something's blocking like the cell phone example, right, what if
something's blocking that receptor. Well, that's what happens and neurotoxic individuals.
(07:29):
That was me. I didn't know it at the time.
Toxins drive cellular inflammation. They even damage these receptors, and
so imagine blood workout here can be normal. But if
the cell, if the receptor can't I'm sorry, the hormone
can't get in the cell. It doesn't matter. It's called
store syndrome or hormone resistance, right, It doesn't matter what
(07:52):
your hormone levels are. If the cells so inflamed and damaged,
it can't get in. Blood levels are irrelevant. And again
people are trying to take hormones. It kind of works
in the beginning because you kind of force more hormone
in the cell, but then it works less and less
and less, and it's like shouting in our kids. Right,
It's like, in the beginning it kind of works. People
(08:13):
that have kids understand this. People that don't don't. It
doesn't work. And you know, after you keep going, right,
it works in the beginning, and then they just don't
even hear you anymore. It's the same with taking hormones.
So many people, you know take hormones and it's like, gosh, yeah,
it kind of it made my blood work better, but
I don't feel better. I'm still gaining weight, I still
have no energy, my hair is still thinning, I still
(08:34):
have brain fog, and my gut still doesn't work, you know.
But the fact is is it's a cellular problem, not
necessarily a hormone problem. That's the answer.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So is there any way to test the cellular efficacy
at that stage if somebody had said to you, we
can do a test to see what the inflammation of
your cells are, is there any such tests that would
help you to kind of, you know, do the speed
bump over the issue.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The good news is like when I went and got
all these tests on, I spent like, you know, four
five thousand dollars worth of blood works it was like
five and came back normal. There's a cell there's a
test that tests just for cellular inflammation very specifically what
test clout. It's we call it a cellular inflammation test kit.
(09:25):
It's but it's a melandela hyde test. So it's testing
for something called melandelda hyde, which is when your cell
membranes are inflamed, it basically gives off it's lipid prooxidation.
It gives off melandela hyde, and so it's very accurately
tested to see if you have cellular inflammation. If you do,
you're someone who probably tried everything and go. It doesn't work,
(09:48):
even diet change, right, because when your cells are inflamed,
you can't get the good stuff in. And then here's
the bigger problem. You start to build up toxins in
the cell because they can't get out because the membrane's inflamed.
And the number one cause of cellular inflammation are certain
toxins right that I didn't realize I was exposed to.
But then the toxins build up in the cell, and
(10:08):
now your DNA starts getting triggered. You start it's called epigenetics.
They turn on your bad genes Now you trigger the
thyroid condition, the diabetes, the other hormone conditions, and the
cell becomes more and more inflame. Now you don't hear estrogen,
Now you don't hear progesterone testosterone. So now you start
developing symptoms from those hormones being dysregulated. So the point
(10:29):
is is that if we can identify if someone has
cellular inflammation, now at least we know, Okay, this is
why nothing's work, this is why you still don't feel
well right, and it's a step in the right direction.
So we always tell people just start there and that
we can see if we can help you.
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Speaker 1 (11:46):
So you have a test that will tell you whether
people have to start there before they do anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And yeah, and we will make it available. You know,
we'll make that happen for people. So we'll put a
link that people can go, and you know, because they're
your followers, will give them a discount. Look, it's not
an expensive test anyway, I'll still give them a discount
to cover our costs. And then they get to meet
with one of our experts to explain the test, right
because you know, what good is it? But it's an
(12:14):
in home kit. It's an in home test kit, and uh,
it's very very accurate. There are some things you can
throw it off, so you have to follow the instructions.
I give you a very detailed way to do it
with a video and everything. But then we can look
at those results and say, Okay, here is what's going on.
Here's why you don't feel wow, here's why nothing's worked,
and you know, maybe we can help you.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, can you go to lab core Quest or one
of the big labs and have it done there if
you if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean there's probably some melandlda high testing. You
can do that, but you'd pay a lot more and
it wouldn't be in home. So this one can do
in your own home, privacy of your own home.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Right. Is it a prick of the blood or what?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What's the It's actually a urine test, easier than pricking
your finger.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay. Yeah, So if somebody has a chronic uti or
some candida of you know, some yeast infection, what will
that do to the results of that cellular test.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, you know, ironically it wouldn't change it much. But
if you drank a lot of alcohol the night before,
don't do that. It will throw the results off because
here's why alcohol breaks down into something called aldehydes. An
aldehyde drive up melondelda hide. So yeah, don't do that.
And I would also not recommend doing like a big workout,
(13:40):
you know, right before you take the test, because that
actually can drive Acute inflammation is actually good a good thing.
Chronic inflammation is not. So we don't want to drive
you know, an inflammatory process before you take the test.
That could temporarily get a spike in aldehydes.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So what do you contribute the I mean the cellular
inflammation in our society to what are the root causes
of that result?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Many people that it's a great question. I said, toxin
specific toxins are the number one. But there's some other things, right,
A lot of glucose spikes. People that standard American diet
glucose up, insulin up down, insulin up, glucose up down,
that will drive cellular inflammation, right, and you know that's
(14:30):
evident by a lot of people in an inflamed state.
And many of you are like, I changed my diet,
you know my cells may be still inflamed. Okay, well
that's probably a neurotoxic thing. Also, you hear a lot
of talk about bad fats, seed oils, canol, or oil,
vegetab oil. They make their way into our cell membranes
(14:51):
and they stay there for a long time, not hours,
not days, months, and they drive they can drive inflammation.
And by the way, I I want to say this
because there's a lot of confusion about seed oils. Most
seed oil in even a health food store is bad.
The reason is because it's in processed foods and it
doesn't take heat. Okay, so that's true. That said, a
(15:15):
seed oil can be made good with a cold press process,
and it can be very delicately handled and be good.
Omega six in our space has a bad rap. The
reason why is because we ingest too much canola oil,
vegetab oil, grain fed me. Okay, so I get that.
That said, the reason it can be so bad when
it's denatured. That means it's damaged, which goes into the
(15:39):
membranes and drives inflammation. But the reason why it's so
dangerous and bad is because omega six is the most
important fat in the cell membrane. People don't know that
omega three is important. They're both essential fatty acids, but
omega six in the membrane is actually more important. Therefore
it's more dangerous when you get an adulterated form. Does
(15:59):
that make people in our space? They don't understand that.
Everyone's like, I just had someone say, oh, I thought
omega six was bad. I said, no, adulterated meaning rancid.
Omega six is bad, but good Omega six is even
more important. And when we're fixing somebody's cell membrane to
help fix their hormones. We actually target very specific healthy
(16:21):
omega six and oftentimes some of it that's used in
seed oils. But for the you know, most people watching
this avoid seed oils in stores because it's all processed, right,
and avoid vegetable and voidcanol oil, you know, but we
need to get good omega six. So and by the way,
just to give a little fat education, the more double
bonds in a fat, the more hey look at that,
(16:44):
I sent off a confetti when I the more double bonds,
the more fragile fat. So when you hear about saturated
fat like in tallow butter, gee, those are fats that
we can cook with because they're very stable. They're saturated,
I mean, they don't have any double bonds. The more
double bonds, the more fragile. So something like omega three,
(17:08):
you know, seed oils, Mega six, Omega three, they can
both be seed oils, but they have three double bonds,
which makes them more fragile. And by the way, fish oil,
I'm not a fan because it has You take a
Mega three and you break it down into EPA and DHA,
and that's what you find in fish oil. Well, EPA
has five double bonds. Way, more fragile, and Dha has six.
(17:32):
When I love fish oil when it's in fish. I
love vegetab oil when it's in vegetables, but you know
there it's very stable, but you have to be careful
when you pulled away.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Well, that's a pretty revolutionary statement about the fish oils
because everybody, I mean if you look online or even
just in all the research that you see with doctors
who are dealing with inflammation, they're all telling you to
do to use fish.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, listen, everyone went pro fish oil when Big Pharma
gout into fish oil, and then all of a sudden
it became the greatest thing. Before that, there was a
lot of critics. But if you look at the Cochrane Collaboration,
this is an organization that I always love going to
for studies. Here's why. If there's making up numbers, if
there's three thousand studies on fish oil, there's probably more,
(18:23):
but whatever, for the sake of the argument, they'll look
at those three thousand. They have a big group of
people that do this and they'll narrow it down to
say one hundred that they feel are good studies. Right,
They're not being pushed by someone who owns fish oil.
They're done, they're double blind. They're actually really good studies.
They'll take that one hundred and to evaluate the results,
and they come up with a conclusion. Every time fish
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oil is studied by the Cochrane collaboration, whether it be
heart disease, cancer, doesn't matter, it comes out to be
a big negative. And the reason is because it's fragile.
It's ox even when it goes in your mouth, it
goes rancid. So fish oil is more remember five and
six double bonds, more fragile than seed oil. And everyone's
(19:08):
running from seed oils, which they should be concerned, but
they shall should also be very concerned, more concerned about
fish oil. Eat fish.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, so, but in fish, you have to be very
careful that you're not getting the mercury.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Eat small fish. You know that, you know, wild caught,
never atlantic, arm raised, never large, right, and yes, logic
and by the way, yeah exactly. And by the way,
you don't need the E p A and d h A.
Your body will make it. That's why they're not essential
(19:43):
fatty acids.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, but okay, so let's let's tell everybody stop right
here for a moment, go to your cabinet, get rid
of safflower oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, any oils that
are not avocado mc T or coconut oil, and or
(20:06):
olive oil, which is you know, kind of the kingpin.
And in the olive oil pin, a whole other can
of worms because so much of olive oil is adulterated,
so you have to be really really careful to buy
the correct olive oil. And do you have a favorite
olive oil.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, if if you go to the olive oil Hunter,
he gets a first pressed olive oil Jason, and it's fantastic. Yeah, yeah,
it's great. You can order it a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, that's the one I'd like to and and the
I went I also went to olive oil Lovers or
something like that. There's another there's another one that's like
the the one that you and I both love.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But and if you're going to if you're gonna heat
something a lot, he's tallow or gee again, baturated back right,
no double bonds right, so stable in heat.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, that's true. So I never cooked with olive oil.
This is something that people don't realize. It's a high
heat will create free radicals, so you're better off putting
your olive oil on your salads or on you know,
a piece of bread after it's been sour dough. Bread
with olive oil is amazing, but after it's been cooked
(21:23):
or baked, if you're going to heat it. But the
thing with olive oil is to always buy a glass
bottle if you can, and always look for first cold press, organic,
first cold press. Is that how you do it?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yep, that's the best. And you know, obviously, you know,
you know, know your brand. There was a time and
a lot of it's coming in from Italy and Spain
was cut as well to save money, so you had to,
you know, you had to be concerned even about that.
The old days you could just buy it from Italy
and you'd be good. Right, And again what is olive oil?
Olive oil is a motto unsaturated fat, right, less double bonds. Right.
(22:01):
So again, less double bonds the more stable, right. So
three to one, five and six official, y'all had a
good education today.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, but so if you're gonna buy butter, make sure
it's grass fed. And the beef callo also grass fed,
grass finished.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yes, thank you?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So yeah, that Costco is carrying the beef tallo. Now
I think it's in a glass bottle. I'm pretty sure
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Make sure it's in glass, Yeah, exactly. And you know,
I was very disappointed. Mamovation did a study test I
don't know it called a study, but they tested a
bunch of oils, avocado oils, all of oils. Beef tallows Epic,
one of my favorite beef tallos came out that have
(22:47):
the highest level of microplastics. I was so bummed out
about that. So the company, I had my team right
the company, and we got a canned response back because
what I said, in all fairness, I said, here was
the study. Have you done your own independence study? Is
this true? Right? I gave the bailout. We've got a
canned response back from General Mills who bought them.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well, that right there tells you the reason why you
got a can response.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
We take our products. It was a canned response, you know,
and like, so I was bombed. So I was like, well,
you know, probably not going to be buying that product anymore.
Paleo Valley tested very well. Yeah that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah yeah, in coconut oil again, glass pottle. But always
get the if you're not going to do mcte and
you just want to do cocona oil. Actually, coconut oil
has a great flavor when you cook it, and you
can do a high flash pint.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I like cocon oil and certain things because there's a taste, right,
it is a sweet taste. Avocado oil takes heat better.
It doesn't have as much of a taste, right, And
then the tallow I don't know that. People probably would
argue that maybe that has a flavor and a taste.
Gee definitely has a flavor and a taste. Yeah, to
use these fats that take heat with what you like, right,
(24:02):
You know, a good chef or cook will utilize stable
fats with you know, foods that that flavor goes with, right.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Absolutely, Well that's really a good primer in oil. So
we're good.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The only thing is we didn't think we're gonna get
into that. But you got a good education there.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yes. And the thing is, though I just went and
bought Carlson's cod liver oil. I didn't buy the liquid
because I didn't think I could swallow it. But I'm
not too good at swallowing oils. But that's just me,
you know, not some people find it no problem. But
what do you think of cod liver oil? So I
bought it in capsules from Carlson's.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't like fish oil again, so just that cord liver.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, even if it's stable in the pill, right, which
probably not, but let's give it. Let's say that they
make it stable when it goes into your body. Your
body has to utilize antioxidants even to make sure that
it stays in that stable form. Remember cold you know,
(25:06):
it's in cold fish for a reason. It's like ana freeze.
I mean, that's really you know what it is. And
so it should stay in fish where it's protected and
then get your you know, get it that way, you know,
or the fish eggs row is very healthy, you know.
So I'm not against taking a little extra DHA, but
make sure you get it in the fish or the
row somewhere where it's still protected. In the way it is. Again,
(25:30):
it's no different than vegetab oil, except it's more fragile
than vegetable oil. But again all for vegetab oil in
vegetables where it's protected. You take it out of vegetables
and it's bad.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know. I noticed though that sardines and some of
the stores are in seed oils. Why would they do that.
They're taking a very good source of just money. Yeah,
it's it's it's it's much cheaper, right than to put
it in olive oil. So again, if you're going to
buy the smaller fish, not the big pelagics like swordfish ahi.
(26:01):
But if you're buying the smaller fish, you know, well,
wildcat salmon is okay. I think wildcot cod is okay.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, I think so, yeah exactly. And again, I love
sardines to your point. If I'm going to get some
extra d H A H E p A, I'm gonna
definitely choose sardines. But I also love wildcat salmon some
other fish. Right, So I enjoy fish. I don't eat
a ton of it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
But so so going back to the process, So let's
start the sell. The cell is the key to your health.
If the cell is unhealthy, you're going to be unhealthy.
So cell your energy, the mitochondria, the being the and
the ATP being the energy of the cell. So I've
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I've just wondered, how can you people know whether or
not and you're telling us now that they can know
that their cells are healthy darkfield microscopyase, does that actually
tell you enough that you wouldn't have to do those
to the test.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, I'm not a huge fan of it,
and I you know, I know some people are, and
you know it's you know, I'm just looking at a
limited scope of cells. Yeah, I think, you know, bring
you some information, but I just wouldn't you know, hang
every hat on it, right, So yeah, you know, look,
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I to your point. The mitochondria in the cell is
a critical component of why people don't feel well. Like
we talk about the outer cell membrane and toxins. You know,
we can talk about some of these toxins that are
just not normal toxins that drive so much cellular inflammation.
But the other membranes, the intro in the cell membranes,
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intracellular membranes like the mitochondrial membrane. Literally those membranes even
into mitochondria, is how we the electron transport chain, how
we make energy. Literally, Herman, by the health of those membranes.
They're saying, it's it's not my saying, but life and
death begins on the membranes. Yeah, you can tell someone's
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health and by their membranes, meaning like if you look
at someone and they look healthy, they've got good memories.
If they're aging slowly, I guarantee you they have good membranes.
Right when people are aging prematurely, they don't look good.
They have their membranes are suffering. You know, life and
death begins on the membrane, and so does hormone health
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and so and again, not just the outer membrane where
your hormone receptors are, but those inner membranes that are
vital for making energy and vital for us being efficient
fat burners. And you know, yeah, it's really.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
So basically from what you said, Dan, Giant is obviously
very very important. And the environment that we live in
is so toxic with the EMF and the pesticides that
are sprayed on the food and the water that's tegedd,
And it just seems like such an uphill battle to
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keep your cellular energy healthy to start with a strong foundation,
which is going to help you with all the other
protocols that you're proposing. So in your case, how did
you who helped you to find that the root cause?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Okay, this is gonna sound trite, it's but when I
say it, I honestly need it. I mean, Okay, God
led me to every answer that I have today, and
I teach something called my five RS. My five RS
became a roadmap of what I taught doctors for twenty
some years, meaning this is how you fix the cell.
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I remember I was doing a lecture in California, and
I was so excited, you know, about teaching the principle
of cellular healing, and teaching the principle like this is
why people don't feel well, this is why, this is
where real detoks is. We want to get people well today, doctors,
we have to fix this. And I'm talking about the
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mitochondria and that the science around the cell membranes and
you know, raising the cell energy and everything the methylation pathways.
And these are doctors, and I could tell they weren't
as excited as me. I could tell they weren't getting it.
So I got on. I was on the airplane on
the way home, and I literally prayed out of frustration,
and all of a sudden, sorry, my dogs, All of
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a sudden, these answers started coming, and I started writing
it down. The five ARS was born, and the five
ars is that roadmap of how you do And from
that day on, I started teaching from the five RS
and you know from this roadmap, and now the public
gets it, and it really is like, this is what
these pathways in the cell that are breaking? Why are
they breaking? And when I say that, meaning God put
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pathways in our cells that get rid of toxins. Every
day when you make energy in that cell, it's like
burning would in a fireplace. You make smoke and if
the damper's not open, it builds up. And when those
toxins build up, we die of the smoke coming in
the house, out the flames. We die of that. Right there,
our energy starts to go down. We don't feel well,
nothing works because these toxins are building up in that cell.
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And you know that's what the five RS does, is
it upregulates these pathways. It gets these toxins moving again.
And that's what.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I've taught and that's what are what are the five rs?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Very quickly? Our number one is you have to remove
the sources. And I want to talk about three sources
that most even alternative doctors miss in people's lives. But
it's like this, if there's a bathtub upstairs and right
the water's overflowing, Okay, that's like the toxins in causing damage.
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That's the symptoms that we don't like and the diagnosis
that we get right, It's like, well, first thing we
have to do is slow the water down that's coming
in now today, we can't turn it off. There's toxins
coming into us. No matter what we do, we can
always slow it down. And then we have to open
up the drains. And that's what my process does. It
opens up the drains to lower that. Now, if I
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had two glasses of water here, one filled to the top,
they imagine that right where I'm using memory, If people
are listening, I have two glasses of water, imagine that
one filled right to the top. And if I just
stress it a little bit, just shake it. Imagine the
water overflowing like that bathtub, causing damage in problems, right,
with just a little bit of stress, and then the
other one is filled just maybe one third. I can
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shake that one. I can stress it a lot, and
there's no problems. Right. So we have to empty that bucket.
But that's every cell in our body. We have to
get those pathways working, and then when we do that,
we create cells like that glass that's only one third full.
That's how I got my life back and certain toxins
are called neurotoxins, and neurotoxins really fill that bucket and
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drive cellular inflammation. But quickly the answer question our number
two regenerate the cell membranes. I kind of already taught
on that just a little bit. How important that is
to make energy, how important it is to detox, how
important is to get good things in, bad things out,
how important it is to for our hormone receptors to
work right, so membranes, life and death begins there. Our
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number three is restoring cell energy. If you don't restore
cell energy, your cells shut down everything, your detox pathways.
They become more and more toxic. A matter of fact,
there's a principle called Gibbs free energy. As energy drops,
inflammation goes up in something called blue to thione how
your cells clean themselves. Talent energy has determined all that,
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So I teach strategies and on how to upregulate that.
Our four is reducing cellular inflammation. You've heard inflammation is
the cause of everything from cancer, mormone problems. That's why
we measure it. First thing we do well, we have
to reduce that. R five is re establishing something called methylation.
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Methylation is how we turned good genes on, bad genes off.
Methylation is how we protect our genes. Methylation is how
we get rid of toxic hormones and even toxins in
the south. So those are the five rs, and certain
talks that we're posed to today are depleting those pathways,
and then we get sick and we try everything and
nothing works.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So what if genetically you are a slow methy later,
how do you overcome as the genetic part that could
be slowing down all that you just talked about.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I'm glad you asked that, actually, because it's in vogue
today to do a lot of snip testing genetic testing,
and some people are now defining themselves as bad methy lads.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I'm not a fan. I put a lot of time
networks studying those pathways, and one thing, as years went on,
I became less and less interested. Here's why. Because they
kept discovering new pathways that said, oh, well, that pathway
goes around that pathway, that pathway goes around. Oh, we
discovered a new pathway that supports methylation differently than we thought.
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It's not as simple as just having the snip the
body's innate intelligence figures out and not regulates and compensates
with other pathways, and we keep discovering them. So methylation,
I'll tell you what really matters. Snips give us ideas
and it's funthingprint. It's a blueprint, right, but it's not
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who we are. DNA is not your destiny. Epigenetics rules
meaning there's something above the genes that's more important. But
what happens is that when we get stressed physical chemical
or emotional methylation tanks. You have the gene the snipper, Non,
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it is your methylation pathways. The people that aren't methylating
or methylating the worst. It's not the gene. It's the
fact that they are toxically stressed, emotionally stressed. And yes
you'rel deplete it and yes that affects your detox pathways,
and yes that affects your DNA and your hormones, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Well, excuse me. The DNA company where I have a relationship,
they call it functional genomics or epigenetics because they say,
you know what your genes tell you, and the blueprint
is not a life sentence. If it happens to be
negative like that, I.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Think that's an honest I think that's a more honest
approach exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And they don't sell your they never sell your data
like some of the other ones that have been attacked
for their privacy. But that's just a segue. But onto genomics.
For genetics for a moment is just you know, know
that you can do that test. And in my case,
they said I was a slow methy. Later, however, I
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know just what you just described. There are ways around that,
and that's where the epigenetics come in, where your lifestyle
is going to make the difference. So was there any
one person that help you that is like you are
today to other people?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You know? I learned from several I could take things
like doctor Richie Shoemaker. I learned a lot about mold
from him. I got an idea from doctor Richie Shoemaker.
He taught used cola styrmine to bind up toxic bile.
And one of the issues I was having is when
when I was up regulating the cell, a lot of
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the toxins would go to the liver and bind a
bile and redistribute.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I learned to use binders in the gut, like cola
styramine from doctor Richie Shoemaker. I always give him credit.
I learned a lot from a guy I don't know,
uh people, Andy Cutler. I don't know if you know him,
but I always give him credit for understanding half life
of key layers and spoke at some of my seminars.
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He wasn't a doctor, he was a PhD. Very bright,
but he was the only one talking about you can't
just take keylators randomly, things like E d T A,
DMSA d MPs. You know, kelators have to be taken
in a half life to keep the blood levels up.
Otherwise you read distribute and get worse. I figured that
out the hard way, and then I found some papers
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that he wrote. I'm like, gush, why is anyone teaching this?
He also spoke about things like cilantra uh and weak
binders a lot, and I learned that the hard way.
I'm like, this guy's right, I always give any credit there,
and about fat soluble keylators and you know, just absolutely,
you know, brilliant his contribution. And before he died, him
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and I had conversations about you know, I was saying about, like,
you know, my cellular work and you know, how is
combining that with his kelation work, and that two were
the magic. And he loved my work. That's why he
spoke at my seminars, and you know, really putting together
how you properly use kelators. Kelators don't detox you. They
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just make sure you don't redistribute toxins.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's right. That's like quicksilver. You know Quicksilver, uh, doctor
Chris Shane, Quicksilver Scientific. So they have an ultrabinder and
a liver sauce, but they tell you do not take
one without the other because if you take the liver
sauce and you stimulate all this excretion, it could go
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to other parts of the body.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So you know, Chris is right, he's right about that.
I you know, I give him credit there. And you know,
and again I Andy was the first that I knew that.
You know that. I'm sure Chris learned from Mandy as well.
And he's not with us anymore, but he sure deserves
a lot of credit for something that Chris and I
both fully understand. Most people do detox very wrong. They
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don't do it. They don't not regulate the cell. Real detox.
This is what you have to fix, this is what's broken.
I got my life because I fixed that and got
me the five RS, and it's changed millions of people's lives.
I'm blessed to teach doctors for twenty years and now
she's directly people looking for answers.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So once you do the cellular test, do you have
to ever do it again? Like in your case? Are
you having to always be aware that you might reignite
the toxicity in the cuth.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
But this way, if I was left in a multi
home for a period of time, I would drive cellul
inflammation pretty quick. I definitely have a sensitivity to that.
But yeah, no, people can retest, you know, as they
want to see where their progression is.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
But I actually did do a test not that long
ago and it was within normal, thank god. But I
knew it would would be. But I don't know why
I did that. Oh I did it for an I
think I did it for an ad.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Well, so let's focus on the thigh and I know
we're looking at the global impact of everything first, because
that's so important. Unless you fix the cell none of
the other things that you teach are going to have
a positive result. So you learned that by you know,
experimentation and by your own personal involvement in your own recovery.
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So share with us now downstream with you know a
subject that you focus quite a bit on, which is
fixing the thyroid. So tell us more. And just before
you start, I want to say one thing is I
had doctor Amy Horneman, the thyroid fixer. Do you know
to Amy?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yes? I love Amy. Oh my gosh, I heard I
go way back when I was a chiropractor. She was
a massage therapist working for me when I was, you know,
practicing chiropractic. What a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oh that's amazing. Well, the one thing that came out
of that I cannot forget that came out of that
interview with Amy is her famous quote, how do you
feel those four words? And like you can do all
the things that I teach, but if you, just like
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in your case, if you still don't feel good, then
you haven't fixed the core, the core problem. But anyway,
she on the interview, she talks about T two and
I was completely taken aback, and I know a lot
of my viewers were as well. Because most of the
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thyroid medications, you know, their focused first they look at
your T four, which is your inactive thyroid and then
they look at the conversion of T four to T
three and are you converting well enough to have enough
T three because T three is what you need, is
the active form. I don't think a lot of people
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understand that, Dan, And then comes to T two, which
which is the part that nobody seems to know about
that except for those who've been treated by you and Amy.
So as you start to talk about this, incorporate the
T two into your answer, okay, so that people understand
what the contribution is of T two to overall thy
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right health.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, it's referenced three three five dirox and it has
more of an effect even on metabolites metabolism, and it
becomes more of the active form and plays into T
three more. Right. So you know, the thing that people
don't understand about hormones is how they work with each
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other and conversion. Right. So to your point, if a
hormone can't go into the active form, then we don't
get a benefit. And if we're just looking at the
blood form of say T four, to your point, then
well that's only part of the picture, right, So you know,
and that's the problem. So when you go to your practitioner,
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and they give you T four and that's typically what thyroxin, right,
and the medication is right you know. Okay, that's has
to be converted through a usable form, right, and then
you know, so again they're not understanding the role of
T two, T three and et cetera and then into
the cell. So when I said this before that I
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wanted to talk about some of the toxins effects on hormones.
Here's a big problem, okay for people listening. Again, there's
a group. There's two groups of people. Okay, Group number
one may like myself. I'll put myself in group one
that I have all these symptoms. I go to my
doctor and my blood works still normal, Okay. And that's
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because we're not you know, we're not looking of what's
going into the cell. Okay, there's more to that, right,
they're only looking at the blood work of maybe TSH,
T three four. It's only part of the picture. And
they're going, it's normal. You should feel well, I know, well,
you don't have a thyroid problem. What based on TSH. Okay,
back before the nineteen seventies, actually doctors actually asked how
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you felt. They didn't care about your TSH level.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The TSA level.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Really is not a reflection of thyroid health figure because
that's the gold standard of blood work. The doctors say
they're judging your medication based on one thing called TSH
thyroid stimulating hormone. They talk about multiple reasons why that's incorrect. Okay,
So the bottom line is that's one group. The second
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group is people who finally go to their doctor and
they look at the magical number of TSH right or
T four, and they go, oh, your thyroid hormones are disrupted,
so they give you thyroid hormone. You come back a
month later, two months later, they look at your blood
work because the hormone makes you better in the blood,
but you don't feel better. So what matters? To Amy
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point right, it doesn't matter. It's how you feel is
what's matter. Okay, So you know the fact is is
you're not getting those hormones in the active form to
actually get in the cell. Right, what your levels look like,
I don't care, but.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Dan, let me interrupt you from moment. Why is it
that the medications are all T four and we really
need T three and T two?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
So why is even involved in T two? Is how
you involve in lipid metabolism, how you break down fat
into energy.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well, because number one, I think some of the testing
is a little bit you know, harder to look at,
you know, metabolid forms, to look at those hormone forms.
So I mean that's probably one reason, and medicine is
very difficult to change. But you know, and again I
think that when you're looking at T three, some people
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even take T three. Okay, let me felt and some
people measure T three, most doctors measure it. But the
problem is is even that it still doesn't matter even
if we had the perfect tests, even for T two.
It's what's getting in the cell and an inflame cell,
hormones don't want to get into the cell, and it
doesn't matter what the levels are in the blood. Okay,
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So that's problem number one. Problem number two, as we
already mentioned, is conversion. You have to be able to
convert hormones to more active forms of hormones and have
the ability to get it in the cell. And when
you can't make those conversions, blood levels don't matter. Right,
So if you're taking T four and you can't convert
it to T three or T two, it doesn't matter, right,
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No matter how much T four you take. That's the
problem over. The third problem is this, there's a control
towel that sits in the center of the brain, yes,
and that's the one that controls your thyroid colge renals.
And then there's another gland that sits right next to
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it in the brain called the hypothalamus. That that's the
receiver that says, hey, we need more T three, we
need more TEA two, we need more of this particular hormone.
So then it tells the pituitary to you know, to
basically release more thyroid stimulating hormone. And then you start
to release more hormone and hopefully it gets in the
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cell all as well, perfect feedback loop. But what if
something is wrong with the control tower?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
That was me?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Okay, so I didn't know this. I was trying to
fix my thyroid. I was trying to fix my adrenals.
I was trying to balance it all out and it
wasn't working nothing I was doing, glandular Is this that
I was trying it all? Some things would get better,
my sleep would oftentimes get worse. I'd get more anxiety,
I would get like really bizarre symptoms at times. But hey,
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I didn't have as much fatigue, but yet life was
even worse because I was like neurotic. Okay, So the
problem I figured out. I'm like, wait a minute, it's
my control tower. I'm getting bad information in and bad
information out. But I just didn't know what. So to
wrap my full story up, I realized I had accumulated
mercury in my pituitary silver fillings fIF mercury that mercury
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vaporizes Guess where study show pituitary hypothalamus. A lot of
people's hormone dysregulation can be mercury, and now even aluminum.
Mercury and aluminum have.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
A nasty sin. And what about lead?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Lead is another neurotoxin. My wife was lead poison and
had hormone problems for years that her methylation was tanked,
building up toxic hormones, developing cancer just like her mother.
But the problem wasn't her methylation. We tried picking up
her methylation to get rid of the toxic estrogen, but
the problem wasn't that the problem was the lead depleting
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her methylation. And once we dealt with our lead or
methylation came up, our toxic hormones balanced. So yes, lead
is a problem. But in that tuitary hypothalamus, mercury and
aluminum are a big problem, and there's multiple sources today
the silver fillings, you know, the number one source is moms.
There's a study called the Dirash study. That German study
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showed ladies, the number of fillings in your mouth or
moms is proportional to how much mercury they found in
the baby's brains. And that was an autopsy study, so
it was very accurate. But that's the first load we
get is from mom's fillings in utero into the baby's brain,
and then we started accumulating our own through multiple sources.
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I also wore contact lenses in the seventies, eighties, early nineties.
Thimerisol was in the saline solution. It was going right
into our brains from our optic nerve. Of course, I
went through a time where I was eating tuna, a
ton of tuna because I thought I was healthy. So
I had a lot of mercury sources. And I was
also living in a low grade MOULDI home. Mold produces
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a nasty biotops in the place hell with the hypothalamus,
and that's the receiver.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Is that why people with long COVID are having so
many problems with the symptoms that you that you had
because the thimerisol and the COVID vaccine that they claim
was you know, just not even significant, but yet so
many people have had lasting bad results. They calling it
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long covid. Is that do you think that has an
influence on the mercury has an influence on that long
covid symptoms.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
There's something called a siular danger response that many people
who got COVID got the vaccine from COVID end up
in it. It is basically the body thinks it's going
to save your life. Your mighty chondrea has two roles.
We only learned one in school. It was to make
energy right the powerhouse of the cell. Well, the mighty
chondria has a second role, and arguably you have equally
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important role, and it is a basically surveillance, cellular surveillance
to see when you're in danger. It will pull back
the energy in the cell, send out signaling molecules called
amps and damps and pamps, and what it does is
to save your life. It actually even starts to slow
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down the thyroid. So a lot of thyroid conditions developed
because of this. Cellular danger response via the mitochondria doing
what it was designed to do. The problem is is
when you have a short term stressor like the flu,
your energy shuts down, your body comes out of it,
and it normalizes. With COVID it didn't, and a lot
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of people even kept producing spike proteins, kept cellular danger response.
It's called disautonomia. It's another word for it where all
your hormones are dysregulated. But it really starts ats sell
your mitochondria is stuck in a cellular danger response.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
You know, they just signally that we only have four minutes,
and I have so any more questions. So I want
to skip ahead to something that I think is very
important for my viewers, and that is the products that
you sell, which and it's a program that people can
can actually access through your wonderful generosity and your time
(53:18):
and the interest that you show in helping people. So
could you just tell us what's what are the ingredients
in those two main products that you flagship products that
you sell.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well, one of the things I've developed a lot of
products over the years around my cellular you know, healing
concepts and silo detox concepts, but this one was, you
know one that I put together myself. What we did
is we groom mushrooms on certain substrates. As an example,
turmeric has incredible benefits, but a lot of those benefits
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that are claimed are in laboratory in vitro. It doesn't
really happen because of those things. You know, plant chemicals
can't get in the cell. That's right, Actually create work,
you know, create that magic. What we do is we
grow mushrooms on these substrates, pulling up those active ingredients,
and then the mushrooms deliver them into the cell. That's
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one of the magic of mushrooms. Their nature's communication molecules.
They really are and are able to attach to certain
cells in the body. For example, lion's main is attached
to reception, so they were trying to downregulate inflammation of
the brain. We'll take lions main and grow it on
turmeric to pull up those active ingredients and deliver it
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into the brain cell.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
The lion's main is one ingredient race used racy mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yes, and rachi is we're using it for the mitochondria.
Rachie has an incredible effect on the mitochondria, even methylation
pathways and so we'll take rachie and grow it on
certain substrates that we need to deliver for methylation.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
And then what else is in there and what Another.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Product that we have called Gut Enhancer has become a
flagship product because it's very difficult to deal with people's
hyper immunity autoimmunity if we don't fix a lot of
what's happening in the gut. We took things that we
know we need to target in the gut, the gut
mucosal lining to downregulate inflammation and also help with the
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leaky gut. Lion's Main actually targets the same receptors in
the gut the second brain, right, So Lion's Main has
an incredible affinity for the same receptors and the gut
as it does the brain. So those things like you know,
ginger as an example, has incredible focus and licorice root
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has incredible in flam downregulating inflammatory properties of the gut
mucosal lining. But again we pulled it up into the
Lion's main to target those particular receptors and it's incredible
that product. So, yeah, mushroom delivery is really using my
cilium is really the brilliance around some of these products
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that I've developed.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
So if you were going to guide people right now
to just do the start from scratch to do what
you did, which you didn't have all the benefits of
what you have today, but you did it the hard way.
But now that you have all this knowledge and experience,
what would be the tell us in about one minute,
what would be the steps that you would tell my
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viewers to take and how would they how would they
go about contacting you?
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Look, you have to step number one is deal with
what you can control, right, meaning we can't control certain toxins,
but we can't control a lot, right. So we talked
about seed oils, get rid of the vegetable and the
can oil out of your diet. Right. It's like in
starting incorporating better pad. You can control that. You can
control the water that you drink and so many horrible
(56:59):
time bux are coming through your water. You know, it's
like an ro unit. It's so simple and they're so inexpensive. Right,
So can control the influx, control what's coming into the bucket,
right or the bathtub so to speak. And then you
know you can go to pumpuprogram dot com and we'll
put a link, but you can watch I did a
(57:20):
great webinar there that I do for doctors, and you
can watch that, and again it's just explains like some
steps on those you know five rs.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Oh that's really good, Dan. Can you send us that
link and I'll have asistant.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, we'll put it out.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
I want to put it in the show notes. Okay,
So that's important. Okay, and then they need to order
that cellular.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Start with the test. Do you have cellular inflammation? That's
where we start everybody, because we know if that's the case,
you know, we know how to impact that. It's but
what I've been teaching for twenty years, so how to
doubt regulate cell inflammation. It's one of my five hors.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Okay. So step number one, get the test, find out
where you are. That's your baseline. Step number two is
we'll obviously watch some of these videos that you're going
to get the links that you're going to give us
so people are more informed. And then it's step number
three to order some of these products so that they
can get on a program and then test again to
see the results exactly. Okay, Okay, So could you send
(58:18):
me a link with the three products. I think you
said three right that we should use as a baseline.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Yeah, I mean I think that I'll just say gut
and handswer I think is really it is important in
flam Our four and Mito methy later. Okay, those you know,
And if I would add a fourth, I you know, well,
we won't.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Do that, Okay, so let's just do the three because
we don't want to overwhelm people. But and then you
so generously said that you would offer a discount of if.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
People we'll put a code in because people should start
with cellular inflammation. People that don't feel well, you know,
that's where you start, right. Everyone else can start on
those products, you know, but if you don't feel well,
start with selling information test. Don't even know about the
products because how many products have you tried? Right, It's like,
do you have cellular inflammation? So yeah, we'll give a
(59:08):
code and they can get a discount on that.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, the code that we discussed before is ageless ten.
So that's ten percent of the first order with the
cellular inflammation test. And then I don't know how you
feel about the product, but we can talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
But we can discount that too.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Talk about okay, so ageless ten is the code? All right? Well,
I'm so sorry that we've come to our conclusion because
I could talk to you for hours. And are you
going to be at a four a m In West Palm?
Speaker 2 (59:40):
When is that?
Speaker 1 (59:41):
That's in April April twenty.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
I'm not I'm in France.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
I'm okay, okay. Is there any one thing you want
to say in partying before we close? One message to everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Control what you can control. That's it. I mean, honestly,
I mean it's like you know, because everyone goes, oh,
what use is it? We're surrounded, but no no control
what you can control. You know, we can put in
our minds what we're drinking, you know, and that's the
most important.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah, And I think, as you said, taking responsibility for
your own well being is you know, the first step.
You have to be the one in the driver's seat.
You are the producer of your play. And if you
don't take that responsibility, no one's going to take it
for you. No doctor's going to tell you, you know,
the follow through. They might give you the instructions like
(01:00:38):
you're doing, but you have to be the one to
initiate and take responsibility so well. Thank you so much, Dan,
and I hope to see you soon, maybe at Radfest
or one of the next upcoming ones this summer. Okay,
thank you, all right, you take care all right. Bye
bye and in the
Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes at Ageless and Timeless.
My guest this morning is doctor Daniel Pompa, and I
think everybody knows him. He's one of those parapatetic all
over the internet, because you know what, this is a
man on a mission, and he is one of the
most passionate doctors I've ever met, and I've met many,
(00:31):
but he just cares so much to help us, all
of us to basically recover from any or not only recover,
but heal any kind of problems that we have. And
he focuses on the thyroid, but he encompasses everything that
is to do with wellness, correct, Anne.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's right, Yeah, the thyroid, because that's where a lot
of things start. It's the canary in the coal mine,
meaning it's so sensitive that a lot of people's unexplainable symptoms,
things like that start with the thought.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, you know, I had the pleasure of meeting you
at the fab Mancini. I don't know if you even remember,
but we were standing in the in the hall there
in the room, and your assistant brought you over and
so I feel really privileged that I met you in person,
because you have your energy comes across on the internet,
but it's even more dynamic when you meet you in person.
(01:28):
So anybody that has the opportunity to visit you. And
you live in Utah, I know, but you travel everywhere
because you're always giving lectures.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So it's true. I'm in Mexico. There's a hotel I'm
actually on the board with here and a well I'm
helping them build it out. So yeah, I came down
here for that. So yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm always I was in Austin doing some podcasts there.
From here I go to Atlanta. But yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You just love to share. That's that's the beauty of
your your spirit, your soul, your generosity about helping others.
So why don't you tell us, start us with your journey,
tell us how you got to where you are today.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Pain to purpose, that's honestly I.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Always say that, But you know what, Dan, my new
one is pain to purpose, to passion to power.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You don't mind it. Pain to purpose, passion to.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Power, and those are the four piece and I believe
in them because you know, it seems like so many
of my guests and myself have come to where we
are because of pain because of some health crisis. So
tell us about what happened to you and how you
your health crisis, Uh, you know, inspired you to become
(02:48):
who you are today.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I have three piece pain, to purpose, to promise, and
the promises and.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh I like that one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, it's like because when I was sick, and I'll
get into some more details. My wife literally things got
very bad at one point and we had two young
boys at the time time, and she literally was on
her knees crying out for answers, and God spoke to
her heart that not only was he going to get
me well, but I'm going to take a message to
the world. And by the way, when she would speak
(03:17):
that to me, I would get very angry actually because
I was My exact words were, I can't even help myself,
So how possibly why would you put that on me?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I looked at it as a weight instead of, you know,
the promise that God had for me. But here I
am today, and for twenty years I've been teaching doctors
everything that came out of my battle. And you know,
now we're taking a program to the world virtually that
helps people just like me. But you know, like so
many people. It started with unexplainable stuff, you know, fatigue,
(03:51):
and I just thought I was overtraining at the time.
I had a very busy practice. Thought I was overworking.
I pulled back and things weren't getting better in many ways,
they were getting worse. And then it was like anxiety.
And then it was like brain fog. It was like
I couldn't read anymore, I couldn't think anymore. I would
get off. I remember I couldn't even like pick clothing
in the morning, like it would be just almost overwhelming
(04:14):
to me. I'd get anxious. I couldn't drive, and like
if a yellow light came, I couldn't even make a
decision whether to stop or go. I wasn't adapting to
any stress, even loud noise like we had two young
kids and like screaming kid or child baby, like oh
my god, I would literally have to leave the house
or she would. Because I also had like extreme irritability,
(04:36):
like massive mood changes. I became someone who I wasn't
and it was horrible. And then my gut went like
many people, and I was chasing foods like many people.
But you know, I had the thyroid symptoms, right, I
had my hair was thinning. It was like, matter of fact,
that was a whole thing because I saw hair in
the drain and I thought it was my wife's and
(04:56):
she said, that's your hair, and I literally to prove
her wrong, I pulled out it was my hair. I
was this short and so but I was, you know,
losing muscle, skinny skinny fat. It was like my metabolism changed.
I mean, all these bad things that I never had.
And I knew my thyroid and adrenals were shot, but
when I would try to address them, things would you know,
(05:19):
some things would get worse, some things might have gotten better.
But the odd thing too, is like my blood work
was still normal.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It was like so that was very frustrating for me.
And there's a reason for that, because you know, it
takes ten twenty years oftentimes with thyroid dysfunction and adrenal
dysfunction before it actually shows up in blood work. And
then once it does, of course we can medicate it
and make the blood work normal, but we don't feel
well because the hormones have to get in the cell
(05:48):
for us to actually feel well. Doctors don't tell us that.
But anyway, part of what I teach, but The bottom
line is is that I finally figured out what was
going on upstream of my thighyroid, my adrenals, my hormones,
and all the symptoms. And then once I got to that,
it led me to getting my life back and everything
I teach. As I pointed out, so.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Dan, what is it about you? Do you think that
caused your blood work to be normal? And is this
typical of other people too? That they get the normal
results but yet they don't feel well.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Very typical, you know. People will say I have all
these symptoms of thyroid, right, and again it depends on
how long they lived with a symptoms. If they go
you know within the first five ten years, that your
blood work probably will be normal. But what happens is
hormones have to If this is a cell and we
have eighty trillion of these in our body, on every cell,
(06:46):
there's receptors like you know, kind of like a cell phone. Right,
you have a cell phone, but it has to connect
to a tower that's the receptor, right, and then the
cell phone works. We can get our message across, right,
But if there's no cell phone tower, something's blocking the
signal like a big cement wall. Then guess what, your
cell phone doesn't work. It doesn't matter, you know, if
you have a thousand dollars cell phone or not. But okay,
(07:06):
so the receptors act as those cell phone towers. Hormones
have to bind to those and then they themselves get
their message in the cell or you get themselves in
the cell, and then everything works fine. But what if
something's blocking like the cell phone example, right, what if
something's blocking that receptor. Well, that's what happens and neurotoxic individuals.
(07:29):
That was me. I didn't know it at the time.
Toxins drive cellular inflammation. They even damage these receptors, and
so imagine blood workout here can be normal. But if
the cell, if the receptor can't I'm sorry, the hormone
can't get in the cell. It doesn't matter. It's called
store syndrome or hormone resistance, right, It doesn't matter what
(07:52):
your hormone levels are. If the cells so inflamed and damaged,
it can't get in. Blood levels are irrelevant. And again
people are trying to take hormones. It kind of works
in the beginning because you kind of force more hormone
in the cell, but then it works less and less
and less, and it's like shouting in our kids. Right,
It's like, in the beginning it kind of works. People
(08:13):
that have kids understand this. People that don't don't. It
doesn't work. And you know, after you keep going, right,
it works in the beginning, and then they just don't
even hear you anymore. It's the same with taking hormones.
So many people, you know take hormones and it's like, gosh, yeah,
it kind of it made my blood work better, but
I don't feel better. I'm still gaining weight, I still
have no energy, my hair is still thinning, I still
(08:34):
have brain fog, and my gut still doesn't work, you know.
But the fact is is it's a cellular problem, not
necessarily a hormone problem. That's the answer.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So is there any way to test the cellular efficacy
at that stage if somebody had said to you, we
can do a test to see what the inflammation of
your cells are, is there any such tests that would
help you to kind of, you know, do the speed
bump over the issue.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The good news is like when I went and got
all these tests on, I spent like, you know, four
five thousand dollars worth of blood works it was like
five and came back normal. There's a cell there's a
test that tests just for cellular inflammation very specifically what
test clout. It's we call it a cellular inflammation test kit.
(09:25):
It's but it's a melandela hyde test. So it's testing
for something called melandelda hyde, which is when your cell
membranes are inflamed, it basically gives off it's lipid prooxidation.
It gives off melandela hyde, and so it's very accurately
tested to see if you have cellular inflammation. If you do,
you're someone who probably tried everything and go. It doesn't work,
(09:48):
even diet change, right, because when your cells are inflamed,
you can't get the good stuff in. And then here's
the bigger problem. You start to build up toxins in
the cell because they can't get out because the membrane's inflamed.
And the number one cause of cellular inflammation are certain
toxins right that I didn't realize I was exposed to.
But then the toxins build up in the cell, and
(10:08):
now your DNA starts getting triggered. You start it's called epigenetics.
They turn on your bad genes Now you trigger the
thyroid condition, the diabetes, the other hormone conditions, and the
cell becomes more and more inflame. Now you don't hear estrogen,
Now you don't hear progesterone testosterone. So now you start
developing symptoms from those hormones being dysregulated. So the point
(10:29):
is is that if we can identify if someone has
cellular inflammation, now at least we know, Okay, this is
why nothing's work, this is why you still don't feel
well right, and it's a step in the right direction.
So we always tell people just start there and that
we can see if we can help you.
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Speaker 1 (11:46):
So you have a test that will tell you whether
people have to start there before they do anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And yeah, and we will make it available. You know,
we'll make that happen for people. So we'll put a
link that people can go, and you know, because they're
your followers, will give them a discount. Look, it's not
an expensive test anyway, I'll still give them a discount
to cover our costs. And then they get to meet
with one of our experts to explain the test, right
because you know, what good is it? But it's an
(12:14):
in home kit. It's an in home test kit, and uh,
it's very very accurate. There are some things you can
throw it off, so you have to follow the instructions.
I give you a very detailed way to do it
with a video and everything. But then we can look
at those results and say, Okay, here is what's going on.
Here's why you don't feel wow, here's why nothing's worked,
and you know, maybe we can help you.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, can you go to lab core Quest or one
of the big labs and have it done there if
you if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean there's probably some melandlda high testing. You
can do that, but you'd pay a lot more and
it wouldn't be in home. So this one can do
in your own home, privacy of your own home.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Right. Is it a prick of the blood or what?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What's the It's actually a urine test, easier than pricking
your finger.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay. Yeah, So if somebody has a chronic uti or
some candida of you know, some yeast infection, what will
that do to the results of that cellular test.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, you know, ironically it wouldn't change it much. But
if you drank a lot of alcohol the night before,
don't do that. It will throw the results off because
here's why alcohol breaks down into something called aldehydes. An
aldehyde drive up melondelda hide. So yeah, don't do that.
And I would also not recommend doing like a big workout,
(13:40):
you know, right before you take the test, because that
actually can drive Acute inflammation is actually good a good thing.
Chronic inflammation is not. So we don't want to drive
you know, an inflammatory process before you take the test.
That could temporarily get a spike in aldehydes.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So what do you contribute the I mean the cellular
inflammation in our society to what are the root causes
of that result?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Many people that it's a great question. I said, toxin
specific toxins are the number one. But there's some other things, right,
A lot of glucose spikes. People that standard American diet
glucose up, insulin up down, insulin up, glucose up down,
that will drive cellular inflammation, right, and you know that's
(14:30):
evident by a lot of people in an inflamed state.
And many of you are like, I changed my diet,
you know my cells may be still inflamed. Okay, well
that's probably a neurotoxic thing. Also, you hear a lot
of talk about bad fats, seed oils, canol, or oil,
vegetab oil. They make their way into our cell membranes
(14:51):
and they stay there for a long time, not hours,
not days, months, and they drive they can drive inflammation.
And by the way, I I want to say this
because there's a lot of confusion about seed oils. Most
seed oil in even a health food store is bad.
The reason is because it's in processed foods and it
doesn't take heat. Okay, so that's true. That said, a
(15:15):
seed oil can be made good with a cold press process,
and it can be very delicately handled and be good.
Omega six in our space has a bad rap. The
reason why is because we ingest too much canola oil,
vegetab oil, grain fed me. Okay, so I get that.
That said, the reason it can be so bad when
it's denatured. That means it's damaged, which goes into the
(15:39):
membranes and drives inflammation. But the reason why it's so
dangerous and bad is because omega six is the most
important fat in the cell membrane. People don't know that
omega three is important. They're both essential fatty acids, but
omega six in the membrane is actually more important. Therefore
it's more dangerous when you get an adulterated form. Does
(15:59):
that make people in our space? They don't understand that.
Everyone's like, I just had someone say, oh, I thought
omega six was bad. I said, no, adulterated meaning rancid.
Omega six is bad, but good Omega six is even
more important. And when we're fixing somebody's cell membrane to
help fix their hormones. We actually target very specific healthy
(16:21):
omega six and oftentimes some of it that's used in
seed oils. But for the you know, most people watching
this avoid seed oils in stores because it's all processed, right,
and avoid vegetable and voidcanol oil, you know, but we
need to get good omega six. So and by the way,
just to give a little fat education, the more double
bonds in a fat, the more hey look at that,
(16:44):
I sent off a confetti when I the more double bonds,
the more fragile fat. So when you hear about saturated
fat like in tallow butter, gee, those are fats that
we can cook with because they're very stable. They're saturated,
I mean, they don't have any double bonds. The more
double bonds, the more fragile. So something like omega three,
(17:08):
you know, seed oils, Mega six, Omega three, they can
both be seed oils, but they have three double bonds,
which makes them more fragile. And by the way, fish oil,
I'm not a fan because it has You take a
Mega three and you break it down into EPA and DHA,
and that's what you find in fish oil. Well, EPA
has five double bonds. Way, more fragile, and Dha has six.
(17:32):
When I love fish oil when it's in fish. I
love vegetab oil when it's in vegetables, but you know
there it's very stable, but you have to be careful
when you pulled away.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Well, that's a pretty revolutionary statement about the fish oils
because everybody, I mean if you look online or even
just in all the research that you see with doctors
who are dealing with inflammation, they're all telling you to
do to use fish.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Well, listen, everyone went pro fish oil when Big Pharma
gout into fish oil, and then all of a sudden
it became the greatest thing. Before that, there was a
lot of critics. But if you look at the Cochrane Collaboration,
this is an organization that I always love going to
for studies. Here's why. If there's making up numbers, if
there's three thousand studies on fish oil, there's probably more,
(18:23):
but whatever, for the sake of the argument, they'll look
at those three thousand. They have a big group of
people that do this and they'll narrow it down to
say one hundred that they feel are good studies. Right,
They're not being pushed by someone who owns fish oil.
They're done, they're double blind. They're actually really good studies.
They'll take that one hundred and to evaluate the results,
and they come up with a conclusion. Every time fish
(18:46):
oil is studied by the Cochrane collaboration, whether it be
heart disease, cancer, doesn't matter, it comes out to be
a big negative. And the reason is because it's fragile.
It's ox even when it goes in your mouth, it
goes rancid. So fish oil is more remember five and
six double bonds, more fragile than seed oil. And everyone's
(19:08):
running from seed oils, which they should be concerned, but
they shall should also be very concerned, more concerned about
fish oil. Eat fish.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, so, but in fish, you have to be very
careful that you're not getting the mercury.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Eat small fish. You know that, you know, wild caught,
never atlantic, arm raised, never large, right, and yes, logic
and by the way, yeah exactly. And by the way,
you don't need the E p A and d h A.
Your body will make it. That's why they're not essential
(19:43):
fatty acids.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, but okay, so let's let's tell everybody stop right
here for a moment, go to your cabinet, get rid
of safflower oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, any oils that
are not avocado mc T or coconut oil, and or
(20:06):
olive oil, which is you know, kind of the kingpin.
And in the olive oil pin, a whole other can
of worms because so much of olive oil is adulterated,
so you have to be really really careful to buy
the correct olive oil. And do you have a favorite
olive oil.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, if if you go to the olive oil Hunter,
he gets a first pressed olive oil Jason, and it's fantastic. Yeah, yeah,
it's great. You can order it a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, that's the one I'd like to and and the
I went I also went to olive oil Lovers or
something like that. There's another there's another one that's like
the the one that you and I both love.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
But and if you're going to if you're gonna heat
something a lot, he's tallow or gee again, baturated back right,
no double bonds right, so stable in heat.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, that's true. So I never cooked with olive oil.
This is something that people don't realize. It's a high
heat will create free radicals, so you're better off putting
your olive oil on your salads or on you know,
a piece of bread after it's been sour dough. Bread
with olive oil is amazing, but after it's been cooked
(21:23):
or baked, if you're going to heat it. But the
thing with olive oil is to always buy a glass
bottle if you can, and always look for first cold press, organic,
first cold press. Is that how you do it?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yep, that's the best. And you know, obviously, you know,
you know, know your brand. There was a time and
a lot of it's coming in from Italy and Spain
was cut as well to save money, so you had to,
you know, you had to be concerned even about that.
The old days you could just buy it from Italy
and you'd be good. Right, And again what is olive oil?
Olive oil is a motto unsaturated fat, right, less double bonds. Right.
(22:01):
So again, less double bonds the more stable, right. So
three to one, five and six official, y'all had a
good education today.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, but so if you're gonna buy butter, make sure
it's grass fed. And the beef callo also grass fed,
grass finished.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yes, thank you?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So yeah, that Costco is carrying the beef tallo. Now
I think it's in a glass bottle. I'm pretty sure
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Make sure it's in glass, Yeah, exactly. And you know,
I was very disappointed. Mamovation did a study test I
don't know it called a study, but they tested a
bunch of oils, avocado oils, all of oils. Beef tallows Epic,
one of my favorite beef tallos came out that have
(22:47):
the highest level of microplastics. I was so bummed out
about that. So the company, I had my team right
the company, and we got a canned response back because
what I said, in all fairness, I said, here was
the study. Have you done your own independence study? Is
this true? Right? I gave the bailout. We've got a
canned response back from General Mills who bought them.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well, that right there tells you the reason why you
got a can response.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
We take our products. It was a canned response, you know,
and like, so I was bombed. So I was like, well,
you know, probably not going to be buying that product anymore.
Paleo Valley tested very well. Yeah that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah yeah, in coconut oil again, glass pottle. But always
get the if you're not going to do mcte and
you just want to do cocona oil. Actually, coconut oil
has a great flavor when you cook it, and you
can do a high flash pint.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I like cocon oil and certain things because there's a taste, right,
it is a sweet taste. Avocado oil takes heat better.
It doesn't have as much of a taste, right, And
then the tallow I don't know that. People probably would
argue that maybe that has a flavor and a taste.
Gee definitely has a flavor and a taste. Yeah, to
use these fats that take heat with what you like, right,
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You know, a good chef or cook will utilize stable
fats with you know, foods that that flavor goes with, right.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Absolutely, Well that's really a good primer in oil. So
we're good.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The only thing is we didn't think we're gonna get
into that. But you got a good education there.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yes. And the thing is, though I just went and
bought Carlson's cod liver oil. I didn't buy the liquid
because I didn't think I could swallow it. But I'm
not too good at swallowing oils. But that's just me,
you know, not some people find it no problem. But
what do you think of cod liver oil? So I
bought it in capsules from Carlson's.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't like fish oil again, so just that cord liver.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, even if it's stable in the pill, right, which
probably not, but let's give it. Let's say that they
make it stable when it goes into your body. Your
body has to utilize antioxidants even to make sure that
it stays in that stable form. Remember cold you know,
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it's in cold fish for a reason. It's like ana freeze.
I mean, that's really you know what it is. And
so it should stay in fish where it's protected and
then get your you know, get it that way, you know,
or the fish eggs row is very healthy, you know.
So I'm not against taking a little extra DHA, but
make sure you get it in the fish or the
row somewhere where it's still protected. In the way it is. Again,
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it's no different than vegetab oil, except it's more fragile
than vegetable oil. But again all for vegetab oil in
vegetables where it's protected. You take it out of vegetables
and it's bad.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know. I noticed though that sardines and some of
the stores are in seed oils. Why would they do that.
They're taking a very good source of just money. Yeah,
it's it's it's it's much cheaper, right than to put
it in olive oil. So again, if you're going to
buy the smaller fish, not the big pelagics like swordfish ahi.
(26:01):
But if you're buying the smaller fish, you know, well,
wildcat salmon is okay. I think wildcot cod is okay.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, I think so, yeah exactly. And again, I love
sardines to your point. If I'm going to get some
extra d H A H E p A, I'm gonna
definitely choose sardines. But I also love wildcat salmon some
other fish. Right, So I enjoy fish. I don't eat
a ton of it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
But so so going back to the process, So let's
start the sell. The cell is the key to your health.
If the cell is unhealthy, you're going to be unhealthy.
So cell your energy, the mitochondria, the being the and
the ATP being the energy of the cell. So I've
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I've just wondered, how can you people know whether or
not and you're telling us now that they can know
that their cells are healthy darkfield microscopyase, does that actually
tell you enough that you wouldn't have to do those
to the test.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, I'm not a huge fan of it,
and I you know, I know some people are, and
you know it's you know, I'm just looking at a
limited scope of cells. Yeah, I think, you know, bring
you some information, but I just wouldn't you know, hang
every hat on it, right, So yeah, you know, look,
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I to your point. The mitochondria in the cell is
a critical component of why people don't feel well. Like
we talk about the outer cell membrane and toxins. You know,
we can talk about some of these toxins that are
just not normal toxins that drive so much cellular inflammation.
But the other membranes, the intro in the cell membranes,
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intracellular membranes like the mitochondrial membrane. Literally those membranes even
into mitochondria, is how we the electron transport chain, how
we make energy. Literally, Herman, by the health of those membranes.
They're saying, it's it's not my saying, but life and
death begins on the membranes. Yeah, you can tell someone's
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health and by their membranes, meaning like if you look
at someone and they look healthy, they've got good memories.
If they're aging slowly, I guarantee you they have good membranes.
Right when people are aging prematurely, they don't look good.
They have their membranes are suffering. You know, life and
death begins on the membrane, and so does hormone health
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and so and again, not just the outer membrane where
your hormone receptors are, but those inner membranes that are
vital for making energy and vital for us being efficient
fat burners. And you know, yeah, it's really.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
So basically from what you said, Dan, Giant is obviously
very very important. And the environment that we live in
is so toxic with the EMF and the pesticides that
are sprayed on the food and the water that's tegedd,
And it just seems like such an uphill battle to
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keep your cellular energy healthy to start with a strong foundation,
which is going to help you with all the other
protocols that you're proposing. So in your case, how did
you who helped you to find that the root cause?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Okay, this is gonna sound trite, it's but when I
say it, I honestly need it. I mean, Okay, God
led me to every answer that I have today, and
I teach something called my five RS. My five RS
became a roadmap of what I taught doctors for twenty
some years, meaning this is how you fix the cell.
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I remember I was doing a lecture in California, and
I was so excited, you know, about teaching the principle
of cellular healing, and teaching the principle like this is
why people don't feel well, this is why, this is
where real detoks is. We want to get people well today, doctors,
we have to fix this. And I'm talking about the
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mitochondria and that the science around the cell membranes and
you know, raising the cell energy and everything the methylation pathways.
And these are doctors, and I could tell they weren't
as excited as me. I could tell they weren't getting it.
So I got on. I was on the airplane on
the way home, and I literally prayed out of frustration,
and all of a sudden, sorry, my dogs, All of
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a sudden, these answers started coming, and I started writing
it down. The five ARS was born, and the five
ars is that roadmap of how you do And from
that day on, I started teaching from the five RS
and you know from this roadmap, and now the public
gets it, and it really is like, this is what
these pathways in the cell that are breaking? Why are
they breaking? And when I say that, meaning God put
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pathways in our cells that get rid of toxins. Every
day when you make energy in that cell, it's like
burning would in a fireplace. You make smoke and if
the damper's not open, it builds up. And when those
toxins build up, we die of the smoke coming in
the house, out the flames. We die of that. Right there,
our energy starts to go down. We don't feel well,
nothing works because these toxins are building up in that cell.
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And you know that's what the five RS does, is
it upregulates these pathways. It gets these toxins moving again.
And that's what.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I've taught and that's what are what are the five rs?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Very quickly? Our number one is you have to remove
the sources. And I want to talk about three sources
that most even alternative doctors miss in people's lives. But
it's like this, if there's a bathtub upstairs and right
the water's overflowing, Okay, that's like the toxins in causing damage.
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That's the symptoms that we don't like and the diagnosis
that we get right, It's like, well, first thing we
have to do is slow the water down that's coming
in now today, we can't turn it off. There's toxins
coming into us. No matter what we do, we can
always slow it down. And then we have to open
up the drains. And that's what my process does. It
opens up the drains to lower that. Now, if I
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had two glasses of water here, one filled to the top,
they imagine that right where I'm using memory, If people
are listening, I have two glasses of water, imagine that
one filled right to the top. And if I just
stress it a little bit, just shake it. Imagine the
water overflowing like that bathtub, causing damage in problems, right,
with just a little bit of stress, and then the
other one is filled just maybe one third. I can
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shake that one. I can stress it a lot, and
there's no problems. Right. So we have to empty that bucket.
But that's every cell in our body. We have to
get those pathways working, and then when we do that,
we create cells like that glass that's only one third full.
That's how I got my life back and certain toxins
are called neurotoxins, and neurotoxins really fill that bucket and
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drive cellular inflammation. But quickly the answer question our number
two regenerate the cell membranes. I kind of already taught
on that just a little bit. How important that is
to make energy, how important it is to detox, how
important is to get good things in, bad things out,
how important it is to for our hormone receptors to
work right, so membranes, life and death begins there. Our
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number three is restoring cell energy. If you don't restore
cell energy, your cells shut down everything, your detox pathways.
They become more and more toxic. A matter of fact,
there's a principle called Gibbs free energy. As energy drops,
inflammation goes up in something called blue to thione how
your cells clean themselves. Talent energy has determined all that,
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So I teach strategies and on how to upregulate that.
Our four is reducing cellular inflammation. You've heard inflammation is
the cause of everything from cancer, mormone problems. That's why
we measure it. First thing we do well, we have
to reduce that. R five is re establishing something called methylation.
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Methylation is how we turned good genes on, bad genes off.
Methylation is how we protect our genes. Methylation is how
we get rid of toxic hormones and even toxins in
the south. So those are the five rs, and certain
talks that we're posed to today are depleting those pathways,
and then we get sick and we try everything and
nothing works.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So what if genetically you are a slow methy later,
how do you overcome as the genetic part that could
be slowing down all that you just talked about.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I'm glad you asked that, actually, because it's in vogue
today to do a lot of snip testing genetic testing,
and some people are now defining themselves as bad methy lads.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I'm not a fan. I put a lot of time
networks studying those pathways, and one thing, as years went on,
I became less and less interested. Here's why. Because they
kept discovering new pathways that said, oh, well, that pathway
goes around that pathway, that pathway goes around. Oh, we
discovered a new pathway that supports methylation differently than we thought.
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It's not as simple as just having the snip the
body's innate intelligence figures out and not regulates and compensates
with other pathways, and we keep discovering them. So methylation,
I'll tell you what really matters. Snips give us ideas
and it's funthingprint. It's a blueprint, right, but it's not
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who we are. DNA is not your destiny. Epigenetics rules
meaning there's something above the genes that's more important. But
what happens is that when we get stressed physical chemical
or emotional methylation tanks. You have the gene the snipper, Non,
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it is your methylation pathways. The people that aren't methylating
or methylating the worst. It's not the gene. It's the
fact that they are toxically stressed, emotionally stressed. And yes
you'rel deplete it and yes that affects your detox pathways,
and yes that affects your DNA and your hormones, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Well, excuse me. The DNA company where I have a relationship,
they call it functional genomics or epigenetics because they say,
you know what your genes tell you, and the blueprint
is not a life sentence. If it happens to be
negative like that, I.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Think that's an honest I think that's a more honest
approach exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And they don't sell your they never sell your data
like some of the other ones that have been attacked
for their privacy. But that's just a segue. But onto genomics.
For genetics for a moment is just you know, know
that you can do that test. And in my case,
they said I was a slow methy. Later, however, I
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know just what you just described. There are ways around that,
and that's where the epigenetics come in, where your lifestyle
is going to make the difference. So was there any
one person that help you that is like you are
today to other people?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You know? I learned from several I could take things
like doctor Richie Shoemaker. I learned a lot about mold
from him. I got an idea from doctor Richie Shoemaker.
He taught used cola styrmine to bind up toxic bile.
And one of the issues I was having is when
when I was up regulating the cell, a lot of
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the toxins would go to the liver and bind a
bile and redistribute.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I learned to use binders in the gut, like cola
styramine from doctor Richie Shoemaker. I always give him credit.
I learned a lot from a guy I don't know,
uh people, Andy Cutler. I don't know if you know him,
but I always give him credit for understanding half life
of key layers and spoke at some of my seminars.
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He wasn't a doctor, he was a PhD. Very bright,
but he was the only one talking about you can't
just take keylators randomly, things like E d T A,
DMSA d MPs. You know, kelators have to be taken
in a half life to keep the blood levels up.
Otherwise you read distribute and get worse. I figured that
out the hard way, and then I found some papers
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that he wrote. I'm like, gush, why is anyone teaching this?
He also spoke about things like cilantra uh and weak
binders a lot, and I learned that the hard way.
I'm like, this guy's right, I always give any credit there,
and about fat soluble keylators and you know, just absolutely,
you know, brilliant his contribution. And before he died, him
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and I had conversations about you know, I was saying about, like,
you know, my cellular work and you know, how is
combining that with his kelation work, and that two were
the magic. And he loved my work. That's why he
spoke at my seminars, and you know, really putting together
how you properly use kelators. Kelators don't detox you. They
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just make sure you don't redistribute toxins.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's right. That's like quicksilver. You know Quicksilver, uh, doctor
Chris Shane, Quicksilver Scientific. So they have an ultrabinder and
a liver sauce, but they tell you do not take
one without the other because if you take the liver
sauce and you stimulate all this excretion, it could go
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to other parts of the body.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So you know, Chris is right, he's right about that.
I you know, I give him credit there. And you know,
and again I Andy was the first that I knew that.
You know that. I'm sure Chris learned from Mandy as well.
And he's not with us anymore, but he sure deserves
a lot of credit for something that Chris and I
both fully understand. Most people do detox very wrong. They
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don't do it. They don't not regulate the cell. Real detox.
This is what you have to fix, this is what's broken.
I got my life because I fixed that and got
me the five RS, and it's changed millions of people's lives.
I'm blessed to teach doctors for twenty years and now
she's directly people looking for answers.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
So once you do the cellular test, do you have
to ever do it again? Like in your case? Are
you having to always be aware that you might reignite
the toxicity in the cuth.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
But this way, if I was left in a multi
home for a period of time, I would drive cellul
inflammation pretty quick. I definitely have a sensitivity to that.
But yeah, no, people can retest, you know, as they
want to see where their progression is.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
But I actually did do a test not that long
ago and it was within normal, thank god. But I
knew it would would be. But I don't know why
I did that. Oh I did it for an I
think I did it for an ad.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Well, so let's focus on the thigh and I know
we're looking at the global impact of everything first, because
that's so important. Unless you fix the cell none of
the other things that you teach are going to have
a positive result. So you learned that by you know,
experimentation and by your own personal involvement in your own recovery.
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So share with us now downstream with you know a
subject that you focus quite a bit on, which is
fixing the thyroid. So tell us more. And just before
you start, I want to say one thing is I
had doctor Amy Horneman, the thyroid fixer. Do you know
to Amy?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yes? I love Amy. Oh my gosh, I heard I
go way back when I was a chiropractor. She was
a massage therapist working for me when I was, you know,
practicing chiropractic. What a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Oh that's amazing. Well, the one thing that came out
of that I cannot forget that came out of that
interview with Amy is her famous quote, how do you
feel those four words? And like you can do all
the things that I teach, but if you, just like
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in your case, if you still don't feel good, then
you haven't fixed the core, the core problem. But anyway,
she on the interview, she talks about T two and
I was completely taken aback, and I know a lot
of my viewers were as well. Because most of the
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thyroid medications, you know, their focused first they look at
your T four, which is your inactive thyroid and then
they look at the conversion of T four to T
three and are you converting well enough to have enough
T three because T three is what you need, is
the active form. I don't think a lot of people
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understand that, Dan, And then comes to T two, which
which is the part that nobody seems to know about
that except for those who've been treated by you and Amy.
So as you start to talk about this, incorporate the
T two into your answer, okay, so that people understand
what the contribution is of T two to overall thy
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right health.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, it's referenced three three five dirox and it has
more of an effect even on metabolites metabolism, and it
becomes more of the active form and plays into T
three more. Right. So you know, the thing that people
don't understand about hormones is how they work with each
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other and conversion. Right. So to your point, if a
hormone can't go into the active form, then we don't
get a benefit. And if we're just looking at the
blood form of say T four, to your point, then
well that's only part of the picture, right, So you know,
and that's the problem. So when you go to your practitioner,
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and they give you T four and that's typically what thyroxin, right,
and the medication is right you know. Okay, that's has
to be converted through a usable form, right, and then
you know, so again they're not understanding the role of
T two, T three and et cetera and then into
the cell. So when I said this before that I
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wanted to talk about some of the toxins effects on hormones.
Here's a big problem, okay for people listening. Again, there's
a group. There's two groups of people. Okay, Group number
one may like myself. I'll put myself in group one
that I have all these symptoms. I go to my
doctor and my blood works still normal, Okay. And that's
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because we're not you know, we're not looking of what's
going into the cell. Okay, there's more to that, right,
they're only looking at the blood work of maybe TSH,
T three four. It's only part of the picture. And
they're going, it's normal. You should feel well, I know, well,
you don't have a thyroid problem. What based on TSH. Okay,
back before the nineteen seventies, actually doctors actually asked how
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you felt. They didn't care about your TSH level.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The TSA level.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Really is not a reflection of thyroid health figure because
that's the gold standard of blood work. The doctors say
they're judging your medication based on one thing called TSH
thyroid stimulating hormone. They talk about multiple reasons why that's incorrect. Okay,
So the bottom line is that's one group. The second
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group is people who finally go to their doctor and
they look at the magical number of TSH right or
T four, and they go, oh, your thyroid hormones are disrupted,
so they give you thyroid hormone. You come back a
month later, two months later, they look at your blood
work because the hormone makes you better in the blood,
but you don't feel better. So what matters? To Amy
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point right, it doesn't matter. It's how you feel is
what's matter. Okay, So you know the fact is is
you're not getting those hormones in the active form to
actually get in the cell. Right, what your levels look like,
I don't care, but.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Dan, let me interrupt you from moment. Why is it
that the medications are all T four and we really
need T three and T two?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
So why is even involved in T two? Is how
you involve in lipid metabolism, how you break down fat
into energy.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well, because number one, I think some of the testing
is a little bit you know, harder to look at,
you know, metabolid forms, to look at those hormone forms.
So I mean that's probably one reason, and medicine is
very difficult to change. But you know, and again I
think that when you're looking at T three, some people
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even take T three. Okay, let me felt and some
people measure T three, most doctors measure it. But the
problem is is even that it still doesn't matter even
if we had the perfect tests, even for T two.
It's what's getting in the cell and an inflame cell,
hormones don't want to get into the cell, and it
doesn't matter what the levels are in the blood. Okay,
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So that's problem number one. Problem number two, as we
already mentioned, is conversion. You have to be able to
convert hormones to more active forms of hormones and have
the ability to get it in the cell. And when
you can't make those conversions, blood levels don't matter. Right,
So if you're taking T four and you can't convert
it to T three or T two, it doesn't matter, right,
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No matter how much T four you take. That's the
problem over. The third problem is this, there's a control
towel that sits in the center of the brain, yes,
and that's the one that controls your thyroid colge renals.
And then there's another gland that sits right next to
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it in the brain called the hypothalamus. That that's the
receiver that says, hey, we need more T three, we
need more TEA two, we need more of this particular hormone.
So then it tells the pituitary to you know, to
basically release more thyroid stimulating hormone. And then you start
to release more hormone and hopefully it gets in the
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cell all as well, perfect feedback loop. But what if
something is wrong with the control tower?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
That was me?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Okay, so I didn't know this. I was trying to
fix my thyroid. I was trying to fix my adrenals.
I was trying to balance it all out and it
wasn't working nothing I was doing, glandular Is this that
I was trying it all? Some things would get better,
my sleep would oftentimes get worse. I'd get more anxiety,
I would get like really bizarre symptoms at times. But hey,
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I didn't have as much fatigue, but yet life was
even worse because I was like neurotic. Okay, So the
problem I figured out. I'm like, wait a minute, it's
my control tower. I'm getting bad information in and bad
information out. But I just didn't know what. So to
wrap my full story up, I realized I had accumulated
mercury in my pituitary silver fillings fIF mercury that mercury
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vaporizes Guess where study show pituitary hypothalamus. A lot of
people's hormone dysregulation can be mercury, and now even aluminum.
Mercury and aluminum have.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
A nasty sin. And what about lead?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Lead is another neurotoxin. My wife was lead poison and
had hormone problems for years that her methylation was tanked,
building up toxic hormones, developing cancer just like her mother.
But the problem wasn't her methylation. We tried picking up
her methylation to get rid of the toxic estrogen, but
the problem wasn't that the problem was the lead depleting
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her methylation. And once we dealt with our lead or
methylation came up, our toxic hormones balanced. So yes, lead
is a problem. But in that tuitary hypothalamus, mercury and
aluminum are a big problem, and there's multiple sources today
the silver fillings, you know, the number one source is moms.
There's a study called the Dirash study. That German study
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showed ladies, the number of fillings in your mouth or
moms is proportional to how much mercury they found in
the baby's brains. And that was an autopsy study, so
it was very accurate. But that's the first load we
get is from mom's fillings in utero into the baby's brain,
and then we started accumulating our own through multiple sources.
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I also wore contact lenses in the seventies, eighties, early nineties.
Thimerisol was in the saline solution. It was going right
into our brains from our optic nerve. Of course, I
went through a time where I was eating tuna, a
ton of tuna because I thought I was healthy. So
I had a lot of mercury sources. And I was
also living in a low grade MOULDI home. Mold produces
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a nasty biotops in the place hell with the hypothalamus,
and that's the receiver.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Is that why people with long COVID are having so
many problems with the symptoms that you that you had
because the thimerisol and the COVID vaccine that they claim
was you know, just not even significant, but yet so
many people have had lasting bad results. They calling it
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long covid. Is that do you think that has an
influence on the mercury has an influence on that long
covid symptoms.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
There's something called a siular danger response that many people
who got COVID got the vaccine from COVID end up
in it. It is basically the body thinks it's going
to save your life. Your mighty chondrea has two roles.
We only learned one in school. It was to make
energy right the powerhouse of the cell. Well, the mighty
chondria has a second role, and arguably you have equally
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important role, and it is a basically surveillance, cellular surveillance
to see when you're in danger. It will pull back
the energy in the cell, send out signaling molecules called
amps and damps and pamps, and what it does is
to save your life. It actually even starts to slow
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down the thyroid. So a lot of thyroid conditions developed
because of this. Cellular danger response via the mitochondria doing
what it was designed to do. The problem is is
when you have a short term stressor like the flu,
your energy shuts down, your body comes out of it,
and it normalizes. With COVID it didn't, and a lot
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of people even kept producing spike proteins, kept cellular danger response.
It's called disautonomia. It's another word for it where all
your hormones are dysregulated. But it really starts ats sell
your mitochondria is stuck in a cellular danger response.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
You know, they just signally that we only have four minutes,
and I have so any more questions. So I want
to skip ahead to something that I think is very
important for my viewers, and that is the products that
you sell, which and it's a program that people can
can actually access through your wonderful generosity and your time
(53:18):
and the interest that you show in helping people. So
could you just tell us what's what are the ingredients
in those two main products that you flagship products that
you sell.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well, one of the things I've developed a lot of
products over the years around my cellular you know, healing
concepts and silo detox concepts, but this one was, you
know one that I put together myself. What we did
is we groom mushrooms on certain substrates. As an example,
turmeric has incredible benefits, but a lot of those benefits
(53:55):
that are claimed are in laboratory in vitro. It doesn't
really happen because of those things. You know, plant chemicals
can't get in the cell. That's right, Actually create work,
you know, create that magic. What we do is we
grow mushrooms on these substrates, pulling up those active ingredients,
and then the mushrooms deliver them into the cell. That's
(54:16):
one of the magic of mushrooms. Their nature's communication molecules.
They really are and are able to attach to certain
cells in the body. For example, lion's main is attached
to reception, so they were trying to downregulate inflammation of
the brain. We'll take lions main and grow it on
turmeric to pull up those active ingredients and deliver it
(54:38):
into the brain cell.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
The lion's main is one ingredient race used racy mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yes, and rachi is we're using it for the mitochondria.
Rachie has an incredible effect on the mitochondria, even methylation
pathways and so we'll take rachie and grow it on
certain substrates that we need to deliver for methylation.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
And then what else is in there and what Another.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Product that we have called Gut Enhancer has become a
flagship product because it's very difficult to deal with people's
hyper immunity autoimmunity if we don't fix a lot of
what's happening in the gut. We took things that we
know we need to target in the gut, the gut
mucosal lining to downregulate inflammation and also help with the
(55:24):
leaky gut. Lion's Main actually targets the same receptors in
the gut the second brain, right, So Lion's Main has
an incredible affinity for the same receptors and the gut
as it does the brain. So those things like you know,
ginger as an example, has incredible focus and licorice root
(55:47):
has incredible in flam downregulating inflammatory properties of the gut
mucosal lining. But again we pulled it up into the
Lion's main to target those particular receptors and it's incredible
that product. So, yeah, mushroom delivery is really using my
cilium is really the brilliance around some of these products
(56:10):
that I've developed.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
So if you were going to guide people right now
to just do the start from scratch to do what
you did, which you didn't have all the benefits of
what you have today, but you did it the hard way.
But now that you have all this knowledge and experience,
what would be the tell us in about one minute,
what would be the steps that you would tell my
(56:33):
viewers to take and how would they how would they
go about contacting you?
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Look, you have to step number one is deal with
what you can control, right, meaning we can't control certain toxins,
but we can't control a lot, right. So we talked
about seed oils, get rid of the vegetable and the
can oil out of your diet. Right. It's like in
starting incorporating better pad. You can control that. You can
control the water that you drink and so many horrible
(56:59):
time bux are coming through your water. You know, it's
like an ro unit. It's so simple and they're so inexpensive. Right,
So can control the influx, control what's coming into the bucket,
right or the bathtub so to speak. And then you
know you can go to pumpuprogram dot com and we'll
put a link, but you can watch I did a
(57:20):
great webinar there that I do for doctors, and you
can watch that, and again it's just explains like some
steps on those you know five rs.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Oh that's really good, Dan. Can you send us that
link and I'll have asistant.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, we'll put it out.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
I want to put it in the show notes. Okay,
So that's important. Okay, and then they need to order
that cellular.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Start with the test. Do you have cellular inflammation? That's
where we start everybody, because we know if that's the case,
you know, we know how to impact that. It's but
what I've been teaching for twenty years, so how to
doubt regulate cell inflammation. It's one of my five hors.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Okay. So step number one, get the test, find out
where you are. That's your baseline. Step number two is
we'll obviously watch some of these videos that you're going
to get the links that you're going to give us
so people are more informed. And then it's step number
three to order some of these products so that they
can get on a program and then test again to
see the results exactly. Okay, Okay, So could you send
(58:18):
me a link with the three products. I think you
said three right that we should use as a baseline.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Yeah, I mean I think that I'll just say gut
and handswer I think is really it is important in
flam Our four and Mito methy later. Okay, those you know,
And if I would add a fourth, I you know, well,
we won't.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Do that, Okay, so let's just do the three because
we don't want to overwhelm people. But and then you
so generously said that you would offer a discount of if.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
People we'll put a code in because people should start
with cellular inflammation. People that don't feel well, you know,
that's where you start, right. Everyone else can start on
those products, you know, but if you don't feel well,
start with selling information test. Don't even know about the
products because how many products have you tried? Right, It's like,
do you have cellular inflammation? So yeah, we'll give a
(59:08):
code and they can get a discount on that.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, the code that we discussed before is ageless ten.
So that's ten percent of the first order with the
cellular inflammation test. And then I don't know how you
feel about the product, but we can talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
But we can discount that too.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Talk about okay, so ageless ten is the code? All right? Well,
I'm so sorry that we've come to our conclusion because
I could talk to you for hours. And are you
going to be at a four a m In West Palm?
Speaker 2 (59:40):
When is that?
Speaker 1 (59:41):
That's in April April twenty.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
I'm not I'm in France.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
I'm okay, okay. Is there any one thing you want
to say in partying before we close? One message to everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Control what you can control. That's it. I mean, honestly,
I mean it's like you know, because everyone goes, oh,
what use is it? We're surrounded, but no no control
what you can control. You know, we can put in
our minds what we're drinking, you know, and that's the
most important.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah, And I think, as you said, taking responsibility for
your own well being is you know, the first step.
You have to be the one in the driver's seat.
You are the producer of your play. And if you
don't take that responsibility, no one's going to take it
for you. No doctor's going to tell you, you know,
the follow through. They might give you the instructions like
(01:00:38):
you're doing, but you have to be the one to
initiate and take responsibility so well. Thank you so much, Dan,
and I hope to see you soon, maybe at Radfest
or one of the next upcoming ones this summer. Okay,
thank you, all right, you take care all right. Bye
bye and in the
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