Peptides, Bioregulators, and the Future of Medicine with Dr. Kent Holtorf

In this deeply informative and wide-ranging episode of Ageless and Timeless, host
Michele Hughes welcomes Dr. Kent Holtorf, a pioneering medical innovator in peptide
and longevity science. Dr. Holtorf shares his extraordinary journey from debilitating
illness to breakthrough recovery, and how it led to his revolutionary work in biohacking,
personalized medicine, and integrative therapies.

Together, Michele and Dr. Holtorf explore:

● The critical difference between peptides and peptide bioregulators
● Protocols for reversing chronic conditions, autoimmune diseases, and
neurodegenerative decline
● Why conventional medicine lags 10–20 years behind current research
● How strategic peptide stacking heals the gut, reduces inflammation, boosts
mitochondrial health, and rewires immunity
● The science and safety behind GLP-1s like Ozempic and how to optimize
outcomes by pairing them with follistatin

Plus, Dr. Holtorf offers exclusive insight into personalized treatment approaches using
true diagnostic testing and epigenetic biomarkers. As a special bonus, listeners get 25%
off products from Integrative Peptides using code AGELESS25 at
integrativepeptides.com.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Good afternoon everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless. Today,
I have a wonderful guest named doctor Kent Holtoor and
I've known Kent and his lovely wife Lorie. We've met
at a couple of the health and wellness shows I
gave for him and rad Fest and so they have

(00:30):
a company that is called Integrative pep Tides and Kent
welcome to Ageless and Timeless And just wanted to be
sure that we say the right thing.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
But are you the founder and CEO?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, I'm the founder. No longer CEO stepped down
from that, okay, but uh yeah, It's been so wonderful
that I've seen you for so long at all these
you know, amazing conferences down and so I thank you
so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Well not only that, but I've been using your products
for two years now, so I could be a great
spokesperson and I will.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Be today, But I did not know that, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh yeah, Laurie took good care of me. She got
me off stocked up, and I that I even have
the one that you're supposed to put on every day
for the pets.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
But you're not a pet but Laurie said, you can
use it.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
As Oh yeah, so our pet tides. Yeah, and people
using their pets and then found that it's a wonderful
face of facial cream.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh that I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
And we actually we have a Mexican hairless dog and
we're rubbing on our skin because she needs, like, you know,
some sort of barrier. And then she started growing hair,
so and it was like tufts of hair was almost
like like plugs. So we had to stop. But yeah,
it was growing hair, but it would be killed.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Would it be good to put it right on your scalp?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, you know, I can't say there's any study said
there is on the you know and the ingredies, but
there's no studies on that product for growing hair. But
we know an end of one, the dog Cleopatra. Yeah.
But yeah, Laurie will grab people like walking out their
limping or someone a wheelchair. Hey, come over here and

(02:18):
just give them peptides. Yeah, come back the next day.
And I swear that testimonials are amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well I know that, and I'm one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So yeah, that's one of the reasons I wanted to
have you on is because when I try a product
and you know, I'll keep using yours and I'm kind
of running low.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
So I'll talk to you about getting some more.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
But when I try a product and it works, you've
got me sold.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Because there are so many dead ends. As everybody knows, you.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Can take lots and lots of different supplements and never
see results. But well, you know you're in the middle
of an industry. That's one of my favorite topics, and
that's peptide. So we'll get into the two different categories
of peptides.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
But I wanted to let you know that I just I.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now write an article monthly for Talk Doctor magazine in
addition to Ageless and Timeless.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
And my first issue.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Of Talk Doctor was Jay Campbell, and he is now
the founder, one of the co founders of Peptide bio
Longevity Labs, which is they're focusing on peptide peptide.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Bioregulators as well as other peptides.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
So I guess you would say they're a competitor of yours,
but a friendly one.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know what, there's no competitors. It's it's it's like
being on a restaurant row. It's it's building awareness and
as long as they're not doing crazy crap and you
know everyone down there's no competitors. Well, you know the.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Thing is you you get your products from one of
my favorite people in the whole world, and that's Phil
Mickens and I think you still are you still working
together with him?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Oh? Yeah, we love him. Yeah, that's all horrible regulators
because the thing is it's very difficult to test any bioregulators,
So you have to really go by the you know,
the manufacturer and the studies that they've done on that product,
because anyone can say here's a bioregulator, right because it's
natural and you can't test it. So yeah, that that

(04:20):
is why. You know, Phil is awesome and they've been around,
they've they've done the right things and been connected to
people like yourself and RedFest and so yeah, it's about cool.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, he was one of.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
My guests on way before people really knew what peptides are,
because I should say bioregulators are, and even though he
had other peptides that the bioregulators is where we were focused.
So I sent him a I think it was a
PayPal or whatever, like for twenty three hundred dollars. That's

(04:53):
how much faith I had in him and and now
he actually is one of our sponsors for the podcast,
so we have a very very close alignment. And also
he introduced me to doctor Bill Lawrence, who is the
protege of doctor Cavinson, who you know has passed away,

(05:15):
but doctor Cavinson is really the founder of peptide bioregulators,
which had been in Russia for I think sixty years
or so.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's been amazing. The most cutting end stuff is sixty
years old.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, why is that?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
And we find that with anything, And I tell people
that if you have a if you go back and
review the last twenty years, you take two months and
review all the medical literature and a specialty not like
surgery where you have to do something, but you would be
a better specialist than a specialist let's say GI or neurology.
I mean, there's so many great studies. All the studies

(05:52):
now are manipulated and they're basically the studies are published now,
fifty percent are wrong, the conclusions are bs. Yeah, that's
the way the world is going and something's got to change.
So we'll see with RFK.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I was just going to say, I hope with
the new regime that we have a change in that
because so many people are fooled by these studies and
they don't they never asked the question like who sponsored
these studies? You know, if it's a cereal company and
they're touting processed foods and breakfast cereals.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know, you look at the COVID and big agriculture,
it's just big pharma. It's just it's unbelievable, I know.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
So we'll hopefully see some change there, right, Ken, Well,
so let's back up and tell.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Us about your journey.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
You're like so many of us who had a health
crisis and that.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Really changed your life.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
But yet you know, as they say in the Chinese say,
crisis and opportunity are synonymous.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
So in your case, what exactly happened?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, you certainly don't see that when you're in it.
So you know, growing up, there was always something weird.
I was very functional and happy and you know, but
like half my body would be sweating, half would be
freezing cold. My arm would stop working, my hands were
so cold, I couldn't shake hand. Okay, you know, no
one could could figure it out. But in no worries,

(07:17):
it worked. And then went through college and got to
medical school, it started getting something's going on. It just
like so everything was so overwhelming, Like talking to a
patient was just oh my gosh, it was just overwhelming.
So anxiety, uh, and people that have a kind of
you know, it's kind of a brain fog, but just
you can't hold toward any stress, especially emotional stress or

(07:40):
you know, psychological stress. And so I'm like, I can't
do this. I'll have to drop out. And but I
was very evidence based. I'm still very evidence based. But
it is ingrained in you that anything alternative, integrative, functional
is bogus. It means no evidence. I believe that. But
you know, I went to all these top notch university

(08:01):
specialists like, well, you're is depressed. I'm like, I'm not depressed.
I took your enterpresident, da da, I didn't do anything
because I'm telling you that's not it. And so finally
I snuck off. I went to anesthesia because you don't
have to talk to patients, and I'm like that's the
only thing I could do. But I was I was
circling the drain there and went to these integrative you know,
alternative conferences. I'm like, this is more evidence based than

(08:23):
the crap they're feeding us, you know, and it's like,
oh my god. So I left started doing those things
and I just dramatic improve and I wasn't one hundred percent,
but you know, with vibrate aptimization, which is oh my god,
that is number one. If you just do that with people,
eighty percent, people will get better. And some anti virals

(08:43):
might achondro boosting, you know, and immune modulation, and I'm like,
I'm great. But then I basically going through after residency
and got out and then went through a stress for divorce.
Emotional stress is so impactful. It is stressed out well
do the boor you know, But what it does. You know,
people think emotional stress lowers immunity. It doesn't. It modulates it,

(09:07):
so it lowers the THH one so you can't fight
intertellar infections or cancer. But instead of lowering everything, it
raises that THH too, so you get all this inflammation
and aging. And that's where people are, oh my gosh,
you look terrible. So with that and then I just crashed.
I was bedbound sweating and actually was you know, I

(09:28):
was diagnosed, you know, with carnefidigue syndrome, which is a
ridiculous diagnosis because they don't. It allows doctors to not
understand or try to find the underlying condition. But I
had lime babisia bartonella, and I could not get out
of bed. And I was going to off myself and said,
I I'm going to give up. I'll give a year,

(09:49):
I'll go in around the world. I could not. I
went into heart failure. My heart was fibrosed because of
high human truswork with vector beta, which is a key
marker for so many people, anyone with sears, you know,
mold toxicity, chronic fatigue, syndrome, fire, malgia. You want to
check your human transfer and growth factor beta at QUEST,
not lab Gore even they're terrible, but and Quest is

(10:13):
the worst customers forever. But but there and uh and
it causes fibrosis. So my heart was fibros and they
and the cardiologist said maybe in ten years you get
timbercent better. I could not stand up, I could not
walk upstairs. And so I went around the country and
the world bent over looking for treatments. And I was
in Belgium and I did peptides. I didn't think any

(10:33):
of the peptides. And then two days later I just
walked up the flight of stairs, I'm like, wait a minute,
and then backtracked and oh, my gosh, it's the peptides.
And then so it took two years to bring them
out to the United States and that kind of, you know,
set things off, and this book for Taylor made so
they were big and bringing those in but my life

(10:55):
and it's changed patient's life. Every doctor we train on
them is change their.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, because you and.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I also share another person that we love in common,
and that's Ryan Smith, and he was at Taylor Made
right where he's when you were a Yeah, So have.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
You done all his true diagnostic testing now?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah? Yeah, So we totally use that and we're going
to be launching a longevity program where we're going to
guarantee five year reduction and biologic age over two years.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Oh when you say, well, you mean Integrated PET guys.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Uh, no, a whole dire of medical group.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh you're that's your other company.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, so because it's a clinical thing, so yeah, integrat PET.
We don't treat patients something the company, so that that's
our treatment side.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
So you know with doctor Morrence, you have to take
the true diagnostics test and the Telemere test as the
baseline before you can started his clinical trials for the bioregulators.
So he puts a lot of faith into Ryan and
the company, And of course now they've expanded so that
you're not only getting your true age biological aid versus cronologue,

(13:05):
but you're also getting your organ age.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
So yeah, I know, I love how they expand I
mean they're kind of algorithmic and biomarkers, but they all
really hold up to scrutiny when you look at the
medical literature and you know the big things methilation that telomeres.
Telomere has changed much quicker than the methilation. And then
but you add in, you know, the bio markers and
they're all valid. It's not like this one's good, this

(13:29):
one's bad. Uh. They all are different, but you know,
it's kind of a blend, so they all play a part.
And Ryan's just very brilliant and and just bringing new
stuff out and whatever company works for, it's amazing. So yeah,
we're big fans.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
He makes it look so easy.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I told him when I saw him at the show recently,
I said, Ryan, you've accomplished so much in just a year.
And he's actually coming back on my podcast next month
of July third because there's so much has happened since
when he first appeared. So he's like a whirling dervish.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And you know what I mean, it is a great
time to be alive. It's pretty crazy. But in terms
of you know, longevity and medicine read. Things are happening,
but they're not in standard medicine. Standard medicine moves so slow.
So Anaal's of Internal Medicine Show basically published a review
article showing that most doctors practice ten to twenty years

(14:33):
behind what's available the medical literature, and it takes on
average a proven, proven new therapy to get accepted into
mainstream medicine seventeen years on average. And why is that, Well, one,
doctors don't read medical journals. Okay, that's that's true. They

(14:54):
say they do, but they don't. They if they even
read the abstracts, they won't read them. But even more
important is if you give them here's ten studies, twenty studies,
fifty studies showing that here's a better way, a new
you know therapy or you know, diagnostic criteria. They go, no, no, no,
my patients are different. I'm fine, My patients aren't like that.

(15:17):
They just they're not evident space. The most doctors are
doing what they learned ten years, twenty years ago. And
those of these are the experts. Yeah, and it's crazy
and they just pooh pooh, and you know, they were adamant.
They're right, and the more adamant of the doctor's right,
the less they know. So you know, the really the

(15:38):
where the action's happening is this integratable alternative space.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I often say when I talk to people like you
that that one talk that Peter Diamandis gave it a
four M two years ago. He was the keynote and
he said, in the last ten years we've accomplished more
in functional medicine and in the last one hundred years
of medicine allopathically.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
So that right there says so much. And with you know,
all the technology available now.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
And AI and and like you said, DNA methylation and
you know all these ways to test.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
But I'm telling you, it's like there's so many things
against like forward thinking doctors. Yes, if you are treating
cancer and curing it, you'll lose your license.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, well or escape to Mexico or some.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
No, it's scary. So we have some mecanomic private Medical
Association and IRBs, but it's like you have to have
basically a war chest of money to fight them off
because they will come after you. And it is not
because you're providing poor care. It's because you're curing people.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Because you are curing people. I know.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
It's well, let's again, let's hope that this is paradigm shift.
It's going to occur with the change of the leadership.
So okay, So back to where we were. So you've
discovered peptides by accident because you were in Belgium, you
were desperate for a cure. You didn't know what you had,

(17:17):
so you're kind of like you had blind poles on,
just you know, stabbing looking for answers that people were
giving you all over the map, and most of them
were wrong.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
But then these.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Peptides, what what peptides did you actually take in those
first two you know what to change you?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
And I don't totally remember, because when you don't know
what they are, I just have peptide. You just take them,
Like what the hell was that I do? But I'm
sure it was like diamus and alpha one yeah for
you know, yeah, the but it's like but there you
bring them in, it's like and there's so many and
all these studies are again forty fifty years old, and

(17:55):
you getting a buyer regulators, which we'll talk about. I'm sure, yeah, crazy, I.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Say, people don't most people don't realize that insulin is
a peptide, and it was you know, that was around
in the early nineteen hundreds, right, So.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well it's a protein because they changed the definition of peptide.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
That's true. Well let's go into that definition.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
But you know what's interesting, like nasal insulin hashwn to
totally benefit dementia and lower butcher, but they can't detect
it in the blood. It has some you know, basically
activity not getting in the blood. So I mean, it's
just amazing stuff. Anyways, that's kind of a side don't

(18:37):
well here.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Last night I was watching j Campbell on a podcast
and I can't remember the name of the.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Host, but they seem to know each other from athletics.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Because this, uh was a Turkish bathhouse. They know each other, oh.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, wherever it was.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
They went through every single pep tide to talk about
what they do and what their benefits are and so on.
And I thought, you know, and it was because I
was going to have you on here today and I
thought if.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
We ever did that, we'd be here all for twenty.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Four Oh my god. It is it just Also every
month there's more and more and you go back and
then the farther you go back, and they're they're great studies,
even better studies that are older studies. People are like, oh,
I didn't want this latest year. Yeah, it's just you know, bogus.
But yeah, it's just incredible the amount of literature that
is out there that is actually it's it's basically suppressed

(19:37):
or ignored. I would say, well.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I mean, we know there's twenty one bioregulators, but how
many heptides are there?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
There's actually thirty four bioregulators.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oh they've they've gone up.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Okay, well, well we have fourteen of them that no
one else has, but we have like mitochondri bioregular stem
cell bioregulars and yeah, the next month.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I want I want to hear about that.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I know that that's something that's brand new, but so
so how many other peptize, the original synthetic injectable peptize,
how many are there that are available?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I mean there's thousands of those. Oh, and the thing
is it's just how commercially viable are there. They're like,
you know, look at cloth. Oh, oh my gosh, it's amazing.
It's just but it's a very complex molecule. It costs.
It's so expensive to inject, and I mean it's sort

(20:35):
of anti aging, anti inflammatory, but it's going to cost you,
you know, three thousand dollars a month to do, you know.
So it's that spectrum. So there's so many I mean,
they can synthesize any basically peptid your body now, but
just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, well, so I know that you have been very
gracious about giving us a little graphic presentation, and Tony
has your link, so he's going to show that. Just
tell me what before we get into the graphics, Let's
tell everybody the distinction between peptide and peptide.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Bioregulators awesome, And so people say, what is a peptide? Yeah,
people think of like you know, collagen peptides, and they
are peptides. So peptides amino acid and people are used
to proteins, which by arbitrary definition, if they're greater than
it was sixty then fifty to forty forty amino acids.

(21:35):
It's a protein like insulin, which now is a protein,
but it's less than that. It's a peptide. And most
of the peptides work basically they go on the cell surface,
attached to receptor. Then they have secondary effects and secondary
signaling molecules, very pleotrophic, very much like kind of supplements
where multiple effects. So they may increase in enzyme block

(21:59):
and zome TME or you know, a change metabolic activity
of the cell. Now, bioregulators are are a subset of peptides.
There are only two to four amino acids in lengths,
so very small and what they work very differently, so
they'll go into the Basically they're very orally bioavailable as

(22:24):
long as there if you take them as a salt,
let's say an arginine salt, like BPC salt, it's called
stable BPC, should be unstable bpc. But and let's say
it's capped and the body will setylate and amitate. They'll
cap any peptide that is important so it doesn't get

(22:45):
broken down. So these peptides we make, we cap them
and then so they get into the system very high bioavailability.
Then they go into the blood to the cells, into
the inside the cell that into the nucleus and bind
to repressors and UH and activators of genes, so they
work epigenetically. They turn genes on and turn genes off,

(23:08):
so they work very different than attaching to the cell
surface and activating a pleiotrophic effect.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, So there tissues tissue specific or organ specific, whereas
the other peptides, the original ones are they just go anywhere, right,
I mean there.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
And yeah, and they tend to be very much more
specific than hormones or peptides or supplements or medications there.
If you take it from the thymus, it will work
on the thymus gland. There's certainly some crossover, which is good,
but they'll tend to focus on that epigenetic. They'll turn

(23:49):
the which thankfully the basically anti aging genes, and they'll
turn off the sick genes the sick phenotype, and they
basically also it's good. As you get older, you stop
producing basically the cells stop, they get lazy. Yeah, you
stop producing protein. So it's one of the hallmarks of

(24:12):
aging that you just you don't make as much. And
so we'll turn that back on, like mitochondrial function and
basically so turn those on any tissue specific way. So
if you need the liver to function better, and so
it starts functioning better as it was when it was
twenty years old or at the heart and reverse heart disease,

(24:33):
and it's just amazing or fertility, Oh my gosh, we're
doing just amazing fertility stuff. It's anti aging the ovaries
and the whole system. And when you come now, when
you stack those bioregulators, that's where you get the real power.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
So what for example, take BPC one fifty seven, which
is probably the most popular or well known of the
traditional pep does not to bioregulators. But if you took
that and you were going to acket to go after
joint or tissue injuries, what would you stack it with?

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, And so there's so many different ways. And with
BPC is so great, and people think as a gut
peptide because that's where it is produced. And for instance,
if you add BPC and KPV, which is a tripeptide
of melanocyte stimulating hormone, and it happens to be hugely

(25:30):
anti inflammatory, but it doesn't suppress the immunity, right, everything
anti inflammatory expressed immunity, and it's anti microbial. So it's
more potent than basically diflucan against mold and basically typical
antibiotics against like toxic staff aureas and it's it's lowering

(25:52):
inflammation and boosting your immune system. So it also works
on the gut lining, so BBC will rejuvenate everyone has
leaky gut. All this stuff because all the toxins, and
then you add for instance, TB four so thiamusin beta four.
It goes to wherever there is damage. And you look

(26:13):
at let's say COVID patients that are in the ICU,
they don't have any t before the body. The virus
suppressed it. And a big reason they're finding is that
the lung cells can't secrete T before to rejuvenate, and
they found that the giving that, but it rejuvenates all
the tissues. But the big problem is because normally, if

(26:36):
you need to heal something, you know basically all the
mass cells need to be activated to go heal. But
we have so many people with chronic illness that have
mass sele activation syndrome, chronic canflanneatory response syndrome, Chrodt syndrome.
Their mass cells are already totally activated. So if you
eat t BE four, you're activating all the mass cells

(26:56):
because it is a multi domain one hundred and forty
three amino acids. But TV four FRAG does basically the
immune modulation of TV four and the healing, but leaves
out the bad parts for most of partic illness. And
you can staff all those things like BPC, TV four
FRAG and TB four FRAG specifically will target the tight

(27:18):
junction and heal those in the gut, and then you
get KPV with it. So many people with chrones that
they are coming in like a twelve year old kid
with they want to take out their colon and they
so quick to do that. We're like, no, no, no, no,
because they failed all the other treatments and within you know,
a month of six weeks they're totally fine.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
So BPC one, if it's for the gut, isn't it
better to do it orally? But if it's flored the joints,
it's better to inject it and to try to inject
it right into the site where the trauma is.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah. So people say, you know, oh, oropeptides and they
don't absorb their right for the larger peptides and even
maybe smaller pep if they're not capped. But studies have shown,
for instance, BBC, if it's capped, seolated and emmidated and
that's what they do gre peptides. That it is equal potent.

(28:14):
Every study is shown equal potent to basically sub q
I M even you know I V it's it's equal potent.
It gets the exact same effects. Now, if you have
a joint problem, you ejected in the joint, Yes, that
that's going to have more effect inside the joint.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Right, Okay, So in your personal case, which would you
if you had to make a choice, would you take
a course of bioregulators before peptides are the or would
you combine them? Or how would you you know, make
your selection for something that's a vast array of possibilities.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think the thing is is the
stacking and combinations is so powerful and all even we
see for all my sins, I guess all this the
sick of the sick, right, that have been everywhere in
multi system illness, and we should try to see healthy paces.
I've seen one but that I'll often prescribe ten twelve

(29:16):
peptides and bioregulators together on the initial visit, you know,
based on their symptoms, and then the labs always supported
and never an issue with that because there's no the
side effects are so low right, and because they all
really are so synergistic that you know, And the problem is,

(29:37):
I can give you a thousand supplements that are good
for you, but which ones are going to make a difference.
The difference is that they do make a difference. And
people say, well, how do I know what's gonna was working?
If you know? If I take all those, well, when
you feel so much better, then we'll figure it out.
Then we'll drop them, right, So we just drop one
at a time. But usually because what you find is

(29:59):
if you you let's say bioregular a or and then
peptide B or bier or C. You do one at a time. Oh,
I didn't really notice anything. You do them together. Oh
my gosh, I feel so much better.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So do you actually formulate them?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
When patients come in, then you just interview them, look
at their labs, and then you come up with a
class customize peptide program that that is, you know, obviously
collecting the stacking the peptides, like you said, is that
how you Oh?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, My problem is I love seeing patients and I'm
not very financially down with it. And I'll spend four
hours with patients and yeah, yeah, and I can't understand
how doctors are spending you know, ten minutes, twenty minutes,
like I can't see high in that time.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I know. It's that's part.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Of why our healthcare system is so broken, is the
insurance companies are mandating these abbreviated interview times.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
How could you possibly get to know what.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Patient's needs in a fifteen minute discussion?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
So all right, well let's talk about and then I
want to make sure we have time to the sideshow.
So in the side show, this was your talk at
a four M? Is that what we're going to see?

Speaker 3 (31:19):
And yeah, we kind of combined the uh just a
few slides from a four M and uh look Bradfast Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Okay, So would this be a good time to do
that or would you rather go for just one of
the conditions that people are going to be treating.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, that sounds good.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
We'd rather see the sideshow now, okay, yeah, all right,
are you gonna you want to do it or do
you want Tony, our.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Production person, to do it?

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Well, I don't know if we can put it up
from here. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, usually on zoom, but Tony, are you there?

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I am, okay, can you go ahead and put the
sideshow up? So can can there we go? So, Ken,
do you want to talk about what these are?

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah? So this is basically the fire the thymous activity
with age.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's so small for me, Tony, we lost this slide.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
No, it's okay, I have it. So what the shows
is through the ages that the thymous Tony involutes. So
it's right here in the breast bone.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Famous controls the immune system. Yeah, okay, the T one
T two and again any model of the immune system
is an oversimplification, but this works for clinical THCH one
gets stuff inside the cell TA, you get stuff outside
the cell. You can have t rags over here and

(32:47):
TEACH seventeen, which causes autoimmunity. So as you get older
or sick or stressed or toxins or whatever exposed to that,
TCH one goes down and the THH two TACH seventeen
goes up. So now you can't fight infections, you can't
fight cancers, but now you have all this inflammation, all

(33:08):
this autoimmunity, uh, and all these symptoms neuro degenerate disease.
And it's like this, and as you get older, that
you can tell how old someone is by their immune
system and what likely their multi system illnesses are. So
but if you and people so that all these studies
showing that, well we're going to rejuvenate the thymus, you know,

(33:30):
giving growth hormone and met foreman and you know, but
why not just give fybming peptides. We've been doing it.
It's so safe, you can't overdose, and you just modulate it.
So you raise that teach one, lower that teach too,
and the lower the teach to is bpc fifty seven kpv.
And now you raise that teach one with like diiamen

(33:50):
G and alpha one which is ylin, which bioregulators uh
and the thymus, and now you modulate those and all
of a sudden, all all that vicious cycle of aging
and chronic disease where you get hypoethlamic pineal pituitary you know,

(34:10):
basically hormone levels are low, you get mitochondrial dysfunction, you
can't DETOXI five, you get little hormones, and it's just
a vicious cycle. But now it unravels, so you go
the other way, and now you become a younger phenotype
instead of being that age phenotype. So the things that

(34:31):
work for that are the thymic peptide. So instead of
trying to rejuvenate the thymis, just give the thymic peptides.
It's kind of like hormone replacement, right, and they're cheap
and safety, you can't overdose. And and with that, and
now we'll probably talk about bioregulators at this point because
when cavisin uh and and uh you know here, so

(34:57):
let's kind of take a step back and and so
how did these kind of come about? So the during
the Soviet Union they found that they're fighter pilots, their cosmonauts,
their sub mariners all were aging dramatically fast, like what's
going on. So they went to the KGB hospital and

(35:19):
they talked to Cavison and Pavlov as in Pavlov's dog,
the same same guy, and they're like, you need to
fix this or you know, we'll see what happens. They're like, okay,
we we'll fix this. They must have been doing because
Pavlov was doing the studies on basically extracts, and they
found that the extract from the thymus in the neo

(35:43):
gland right in the middle of the brain, which is
that I basically Toty reversed their rapid aging and they're like, okay, awesome,
and but no one knew and so it was a
it was a Soviet military secret, only given to the
military and the Olympic team. Olympic team did pretty well

(36:04):
right during that time, and then with the fall of
the Soviet Union, they all of a sudden they started publishing.
But it's in Russian. It's gonna he's gonna read it, right,
and so like forty years later, like damn, look at this,
you know, the translator like, there some interesting studies. So
it started getting more noticed and uh, and they started
publishing in English and that's where it basically started taking off.

(36:29):
And like we have we've hired a Russian researcher, so
we can go dig into that stuff. But it's really
interesting how it was a Soviet secret for a long time.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, well they could in the Soviet Union, they could
buy them in drug stores.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I mean, they were readily available, but they would not
let them go be exported. I guess I think maybe
with the Ukraine War it's only become more difficult for
the supply chain. But they have now made an aggressive.
You know, this is again tribute to Bill Lawrence who
went and knocked on their door and said, hey, you know,

(37:09):
he had his own health crisis. Is not as bad
as yours. It was more like a genetic thing where
the age of his relatives were all They all mortality
rate was in their early seventies and he was already
seventy three.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
So he said, I don't want to die. I want
to find answer.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
He gave up his real estate career and got his PhD.
And the rest is history.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
But you know, to his credit, he went and knocked
on the Saint Petersburg.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Lab and they took him in and he became a
protege of Cavinson.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
So he's really responsible for the first generation of those
bioregulators coming to the US now there. You know, obviously
with people like you and Phil and others like.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Miss our last shipment got seized and sent back.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Really yeah, even through Phil because he said he was
trying to set up a distribution facility in the US.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, if something works, they're going to try to block it.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Oh, that's really sad. I'm sorry sorry to hear that. Okay,
So that was like one Tony, do you want to
do the next time.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Or can you go back? I think there was a famous.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Oh okay, let's if he's still here? Are you with us, Tony?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I am okay?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Can you show I guess I can't want to see
that side this real quick?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Previous side, previous line. Let's look at this right here?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Is it that one?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Go one up? One more up?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, the original one you showed, Tony.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Okay, let me get that for you and I can
edit this out by the way.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, we won't. We won't have it and starts.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
We're gonna say, oh, I thought there was one in
between the outside there was.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
A graph one that ye, yeah, okay, this is the
one you're on.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, good, go ahead, Sorry, it's all right, we can
go back to.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Oh, let's start, let's go out one.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
So even the CDC acknowledges that eighty percent of aged
adults have at least one chronic illness due to the
evolution of the thymus. Why not just give people the
needs a month to fix that? And now just think,

(39:39):
if you just remove one chronic illness per person, how
much would that be worth? Right?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
But yeah, and billions of dollars of healthcare costs to
all of the taxpayers, plus the wellness and the attitudes
of healthier people that make a.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Much less divisive world, in a happier world.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I mean that people, that's a good point. I never
thought of that little subtlety there.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's true. I mean, you know, when
you're sick, you're the world look very.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Dark, and oh, you don't want to talk to anyone
like you, you don't want.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
To talk to anyone. You don't want to you know,
you're and and then it comes to the whole psychological
side of that, you start giving up, like you almost did.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Thank you. Yeah, I was gonna off myself. Yeah, yeah,
you have.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean that's pretty that's pretty extreme.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Oh, it's horrible. It's you know when people have chronic
lime andronic film response, it's it's horrible. No one realizes
how freaking bad they feel. People are like, oh, just exercise,
eat better. You want to kill them. Yeah, it's horrible,
and they they are suffering more than you know.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
And they always say stress.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Oh, it's that's like to catch all.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
You know, if you're just you're just stressed, you have
to go meditate more or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
You but you feel like crap.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
And the people, like in general, people can be empathetic
for about two to four weeks and then they're like,
come on, get out of bad. You know, it's true,
it's tough.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
So so then so in the bioregulators, there's one called Sime.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
What's it called.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's a Russian name, but it's it's the bioregula.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, so if you look at what really is the
core is the thimus and the pineyer. Yeah, if you
want to throw up the slides, and I think it
talks about that. But and then if I had to
throw another one in there, and I don't Natalie need them,
we agree on this is the vascular Yeah, the blood vessel,
which will actually reduce the inflammation in the blood vessels.

(41:49):
Now you know, as people get older, that basically doesn't
work and they get you know, stiff vessels, so they
get hypertension. You know, it starts collecting you know, calcium
plaque and gets stiff. So it actually reverses that. And
it also basically is a cinemorphic, so that all the
sas like, all the inflammation it can set down, So

(42:12):
it has multiple ways, and it also boosts themselves, so
adding that to everything is shown to work better like
the studies on for instance, in our cognipep where we
have the cortexin the pineleon for the brain, wead the
vesugen which is the blood vessel. It just works like

(42:36):
four times as well.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
And so you know, this is really important to go
over the conditions that are obviously being addressed by the
peptide both peptides and peptide bioregulators. And so I think one.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Of the biggest ones in our world today is the
microbion and the gut brain access. So would you talk
about that for a moment and tell us, you know,
what your suggestions are for people who are trying to.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
The gut is so huge, and we have all these
you know, forever chemicals and toxins and pesticides and plastics.
It's just glcas just ripping the guts open out and
everyone else theaky gut so allergic to everything. All this
autoimmunity is just is just going rampant and so it's

(43:24):
not so you got to really heal that gut lining.
So BPC is key for that. Again, I mentioned that
TV four frag will focus on the tight junctions and
some people will give like BPC because it's argining BPC,
it's stable VPC. They it doesn't absorb very well because
it's very polar. They give snack with it, which is

(43:46):
a basically increases absorption, which is banned in Europe. And
it breaks open the tight junctions. So you're giving something
to heal the gut, but you're breaking up the tight junctions.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh so that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
And so it's like and they're like, well, it's shown
to be safe, but you know it's the government did
the study saying healthy people will heal, but they don't
have anyone who has chronic illness at all. And then
so we have like, uh with gut feeling, which we
have the BPC, kpv T before frag acromancia, which is
a probiotic associated with health and basically lean muscle and uh,

(44:28):
and like we're destroying our microbiome with it with all
this stuff too, and there's so many toxins that are
additives that just kill the microbiome and so and you
look at you know, studies for dementia and heart disease
really correlates with with the microbiome. But you have to

(44:49):
like BPC will will help heal the microbiome, so you
can actually naturally put all these things together. So but
I'm really a big fan of you know, basically healing
the gut adding you know, all these the key keystone
the probiotics where kind of standard probiotics is going they're gone,

(45:10):
but you want keystone that basically, and and they have
spore based so that they're for a long time and
they build that community.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
People forget the most important thing about probiotics is they
of them never get to where they's supposed to be
because they can't get through the ass the acidic gut barriers.
And so you have the spore based at least are
are being scientifically shown right to.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Its interesting too with acromancia is dead acromancia, we're shown
to have better effects than live acromancia. But then you
look at you know, downstream, there's not great studies on that.
But and so because it shows that it is a
receptor mediated phenomena. So if you have acromancia, it attaches

(46:02):
to the receptor and has the immune modutory and the
gut brain access of modulation. So we add you know, basically,
you know, tons of the dead and alive.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, and Adam Kerman was on my podcast. So I
buy a lot of.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
You know, by the only Achamanci I've bought is through Pendulum.
So are you familiar with them?

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we talk to them all the time.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, so you use their product as well.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Well, we have our own, but I do.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, well it's in our gut feeling.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, okay, okay, well I should recommend.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, well now I know that that's good to know. Well,
but chamancia has become the darling of the gut.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, and then you look at you know, a roitery
and basically showing for dementia and aging, and there's so
many things that this basically bacteria in your gut will
prevent X, Y Z. And they're getting so much better
at that, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
So the probably the first thing that people think about
it for ailments is the microbios. The second one is
obviously Alzheimer's and brain dementia and brain deterioration, so it
sometimes morph into Alzheimer's. So doctor Brettison, another one of

(47:29):
my prior guests, he says, you know, Alzheimer's is a
curable disease.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Absolutely, why do you feel that way?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
What can we seen it? ALS? Curable disease. We have
patients coming in and wheelchairs, they're jogging. They go back
to the neurologists and then and they say, hey, I'm cured. Like, well,
you must not have had ALS because incurable, So it
must have been misdiagnosis three of you. Okay, Alzheimer's totally normal.

(48:03):
We see it all that time.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So what's the protocol for for getting those cubits?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah? No, the protocol we we do kitchen sink. But yeah,
Preston's part is yes, to do it, but I'm a
little ad d for that. I want, you know, action.
And for instance, there this doctor, this uh Aos who

(48:30):
was a mentor of mine many many years ago as ALS,
and I'm like, let me just try to put together
our protocol and I'll send it. I'll summarize it for him.
I ended up with five hundred slides sending him.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Oh wow, so you.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Had to show you, Like, what's the protocol? Al right,
People like, what's your line protocol? Yeah, like that's a
thousands lines. But yeah, and but it's where we're trying
to develop the uh Basically, the algorithm of protocols, so
because uh so, so many doctors can do it instead
of by giving them this little bit, this little bit. Yeah, basically,

(49:07):
our model for our center was I would train doctors
for two years, then we could treat anything. Really, anything
came to the door, I'm telling you. But I can't
get doctors to do it anymore. They're just they don't
want to spend the time. They don't seem to understand concepts,
they want to memorize, they want an algorithm, you know,
they want to leave from nine to five. I just

(49:27):
I don't. It's it's a different world, I guess. So
I'm starting to realize that. So I hate I've always
hated protocols because I'm like everyone's individual. But that's true
love protocols. Doctors love protocols. So I think maybe it's
not totally perfect and not optimal in the in this

(49:47):
you know, fantasy world. But I'm going to just do
protocols for everything and it's going to be eighty percent
you know, as good. But we can treat so many more.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Patients, right, I mean, in a protoc call two, it's
a baseline that you.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Can build, you know what. That won't make me sleep
at night.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, exactly, no, true, And it's just like the BPC.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I mean you're starting there because you know that has
this impact, this efficacy, but then you're stacking with these
other pep ties or peptide bioregulars that are going to
be specific, customized to that particular patience.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I really like that. Now I can live with myself.
So I'm always like, God, Debby, you got to be like,
you know, custom, totally custom. But if you can help
ten times more patients and be semi custom, probably a
good thing.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Right, Absolutely, that's what it's missing.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I think in most in the allopathic practice, as a
customized approach, it's sort of a one size fits all.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I have to thank you, I feel better.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, you know, they reach into their pocket, let me
give you a prescription for X y Z, and then
you're gone.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
And you know, now you have all these side effects.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
And I'm sure you've seen it's like care is so
fricking barbaric. Yeah, I mean for diabetes, they're just like,
I don't treat it on the heart disease, or or
they like, well okay, yeah you may have a strug,
we'll wait till you have a stroke and then we'll
treat it like yes, I.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Know, so before we get cut off because the time
is running out, and I know we didn't get through
all your slides, but.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I apologize, no worries, no worries.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I knew this would happen because you have so much
knowledge and there's so much to talk about. But before
we leave, we have to talk about the semi glue
ties because you know, they've become such a big thing
and there's so much pro and con.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
What what's your position on GLP one?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
You know, I think they're great. But anytime you try
to extrapolate a drug of medication that you know, for
let's say for diabetes, now, oh it's for everyone, let's
put in the water, you're going to side effects. You
are gonna have negative outcomes. And then people are just like,
oh my god, it's you know, it's the magic thing

(52:13):
and it's gonna exponentially increase side effects. So it's like yeah,
and we always try to think, oh this is good,
this is bad, and even like I always think about
people are doing all this aesthetic procedures, right, they think
there's no downside. So many bad things happen with that

(52:34):
and they don't realize there's a downside. There's a downside
to all these GLP ones in the right selected patients
exceedingly safe and that low dose if you if you
stick to low dose, great benefits for reducing dementia and
depression and metabolic health and all that. Now you start

(52:55):
ramping it for I want twenty pounds and thirty pounds
of weight loss a month, you're gonna have issues, you.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Know, exactly.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, So Elizabeth Earth, doctor Earth from the Yeah, so
she said, two years ago, I think she lived my guest.
And she said, you know, she even uses them, but
she doesn't need to lose weight, but she does it
for those other benefits as well as, you know, just
keeping her her weight and control.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
And she said she microdoses.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
So that that is gonna basically shown to be the
way to do it has so many more benefits. The
risk benefit is dramatically or the benefit risk dramatically increased.
That Lodo says, you go up, it starts reducing.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, and then and then combine it with dipper Morell
and Ippen Morell and because of the scarclopinia, So can
you talk about.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
That for a moment, Uh, you know, we're uh just
put out is the gop ones and full of statin. Oh,
you know, full of statins. Yeah. So when your body
is actually older or stressed or inflamed, your body makes myostatin.
So myostatin keeps your body from losing weight, losing fat,

(54:13):
or gaining lean muscle.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
So the follostatin blocks the blocker blocks the myostatin. So
it is I can't believe people aren't abusing. Actually bodybuilders are,
but probably ten times as potent as a steroid, and
it's good for you.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
It won't have side effects.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Well everything is side effects, so I can't see that.
I'm just saying in general, all the things that it
does are reduces inflammation, is actually you know, increases or
tuins in that and shown to be exceedingly safe because
like the you can do ten times a dose, but
you don't need ten times a dose, so not only

(54:54):
keep your lean muscle, you'll gain lean muscle if you
work out even better, but you don't have to. And
then you add the g O P one. Now you're
losing body fat, and you combine the body fat loss,
which people they lose all you know, muscle and fat
and which yeah, and which also I want to bring

(55:17):
up is that if you diet more than three cycles,
and these studies by uh uh Lyle and others that
if you have more than three cycles, your metabolism drops,
your thyroid level drops, your it's a hypothiine pituitary uh
TSH access, so the TSH drops, So it looks you

(55:38):
don't know your low thyroid drops, your metabolism drops, and
your body it tells the body to store fat. And
if you even go back to normal eating, it doesn't
go back to normal. So when people say of requine metabolism,
they have. And so we'll check people because the blood test,

(55:59):
well we can pick it out, but the standard blood
test will say, oh, it looks fine, just fine. People
are like, my god, I can't lose weight. I'm cold,
my hands are cold. I know you. But and then
we'll check their base of metabolic grade, how many hours
they burn per day. They're generally twenty five percent lower
than someone their same age and body weight, so they're

(56:21):
like equal to someone who's you know, basically fifty percent
less less weight. They have no metabolism unless you give
something to boost that, which is generally T three teethe
thired or mitochondril boosters can also work, or the thyroid bioregulator,
the thyrodactors b irregulator. That it's so hard to lose

(56:43):
weight because the more weight you lose, the lower your
metabolism goes, and so you can never catch up. So
people say, I would say seventy percent plus of people
have low thyroid. Their doctor says they are fine, Right,
it's problems.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah, it's one of the most underdiagnosed conditions in our country,
I think, and probably.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
But at least here we know that because they do
it by the blood work and then they don't do
the full complement of testing. They only do the TSH
or you know, then they're not really looking.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
They look for T four.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
As to give you synthroid or something instead of the
T three, which really is going to help you to.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Have you know what, and they don't understand physiology and
what happens. As you get more inflamed, you get older,
you get sicker, the TSH drops and the test goes up. Right,
So that is a marker for hythi ride for doctors,
not knowing doctors. But the TSH drops because of the inflammation,

(57:50):
and then the T four basically goes up because the body,
the mitochondrire dysfunction because almost every endophrenologist thinks that whatever
thyroid's in the blood diffuses into the cell doesn't happen
at all active transport, so it requires energy, and the
T four transporter actually requires more energy than T three.

(58:11):
So the T four transporter, it basically doesn't work because
it needs energy. So the T four goes up in
the seerum because it's not getting into blood. So you
have low tsa high T four and the oh thyroid,
Oh my god, it's the wrong thing. It's and then
their free T three is super low and their versity
three is high, and you give them thyroid and their
life changes.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So okay, before we have to go, you've been so
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Speaker 2 (58:47):
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Speaker 1 (58:49):
So why don't you tell us how people could reach
you and what that offer is and what the code
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Speaker 3 (58:56):
Yeah, sure I have some pull over there somehow, but
I guess so I was told twenty percent off IP
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Speaker 2 (59:10):
That's what an s peptides.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
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Speaker 1 (59:31):
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Speaker 3 (59:37):
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Speaker 2 (59:59):
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the show notes. So and then they can get your ebook.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
You wrote an e book on peptides, which I think
people should everybody should read that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yeah, it's so the Peptide Protocol for the rapid treatment
of sears. Most people don't have serious chronic if I'm
a response syndrome, but there's so many people with chronic illness,
and we're coming out with a new version and in
adding the bioregulars aren't in there. Someone stole off my
desk and published it. Honestly did I never finish anything right.

(01:00:32):
Everything I keep wanting to add add so I have
like ten books that are ninety percent done. I'm glad
you did, but we're working. They get that where on
your on her site? Yes, yeah, I think I suld
well somehow send it, send it to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Us and we'll get it into the show notes. Okay,
well can't. As you can see, we could have gone
on for two more hours easily and had still not run.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Out of the subjects to talk about. There's so much
that we.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Want to cover, but I think we got the highlights
and the things that people are at least the most
frequent chronic illnesses that people are are addressing in their lives,
and of course there's so many others.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
But this was a big help.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
And also the other thing that you did today, which
distinguished between bioregulators and regular peptides, which I think people
get confused about. So thank you for clarifying that for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Awesome And I think I assume I'll see you at
Radfest and yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Know, I'm going to go to this new one in
Chicago called Biohackers World. It's brand new, well it's not new,
but it's new to Chicago. So I'm not sure about
Radfest because I just I get back, like right as
Radfest is about to begin.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Well, I thought you were the Radfest queen there, not
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
I just had James Stroll on my podcast and he
invited me last year to come and join them. So
uh no, I that was my first time ever to
attend the But but Bill Andrews has been on and
James and Jim Lavalley, you know all the guys that
are active in that group.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
So so I may not see you there, but I'll
see you at eight four a m.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Sounds good in December. So thanks so much. Keep up
the wonderful work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Oh thank you. It's really important to me what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
And now this Top Doctor magazine, the monthly column I'm
doing is adding to the the protocol of being able
to help reach reach out to more people to bring information.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Like today, Yeah, you want to order that product from you?
I think that what you're called again, and of the
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Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
About the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Full stat full of stat, I was going to say
full Stata.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, So I'm getting Jays sending me just as a
nice little gift. Not that I needed to lose weight,
but I like to get you know, stay metabolically strong.
It's sending me the reality, true reality, true tide.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
That's just it's the upgraded.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
So it works on another receptor.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm reading. And it's it's not
nearly as many side effects if you're microdos that I heard,
so all right, can't well, thank you so much. I'll
see you in a couple of months, three months or
four months, like well, it's say June, where are we December.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I'll see you in December.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
I know it. We'll go by faith so much too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Okay, thank you