Pushing the Limits with Lisa Tamati: Resilience, Health, and the Power of Never Giving Up

In this inspiring episode of Ageless & Timeless, Michele Hughes welcomes her dear
friend, Lisa Tamati — a world-renowned ultra-endurance athlete, author, coach, and
biotech entrepreneur.

Lisa spent 25 years racing in the toughest endurance events on Earth, from the
Himalayas to Death Valley, covering over 70,000 km and surviving expeditions including
an illegal crossing of the Libyan Desert. Her journey embodies resilience, grit, and
determination, and she shares how these experiences shaped her drive to help others
unlock their potential.

Lisa’s story goes far beyond athletics. When her mother suffered a devastating brain
aneurysm, Lisa’s relentless research and unconventional protocols helped her recover
against all odds. Later, when her mother was diagnosed with brain cancer, Lisa once
again defied the prognosis, combining integrative medicine, advanced therapies, and
unwavering tenacity to extend and improve her mother’s life.

Today, Lisa channels her expertise into coaching, podcasting, and her biotech ventures,
including the development of Cellular Restore, a groundbreaking formulation targeting
immune system aging. She also created an immune age calculator designed to give
individuals and practitioners deeper insights into immune health and longevity.
Together, Michele and Lisa discuss:

● How Lisa’s endurance racing career taught her to overcome adversity and “push
the limits.”
● The turning point that set her on a mission to advocate for health sovereignty.
● The powerful role of hyperbaric oxygen therapy and functional medicine in brain
recovery.
● Her latest work in biotech and longevity, including immune system support and
innovation.
● Why becoming the CEO of your own health is essential in today’s medical
landscape.

Lisa’s journey is a masterclass in courage, determination, and self-empowerment.

About Lisa Tamati:

Lisa Tamati is a former professional ultra-endurance athlete, keynote speaker, author,
health coach, and biotech entrepreneur. She is the author of five books, including
international bestsellers Running Hot and Running to Extremes, and the host of Pushing
the Limits, a top 200 global podcast in health, functional medicine, and longevity. She
has been honored as Māori Sportswoman of the Year and has earned national and
international podium finishes. Today, Lisa’s mission is to help others achieve their
highest potential in health, performance, and life.

Resources & Links:
● Learn more about Lisa Tamati: lisatamati.com
● Listen to Pushing the Limits: available on all major podcast platforms
● Explore Cellular Restore (US) / Rejuvenate Pro (NZ): [link to product/distributor]
● Follow Lisa on YouTube: Lisa Tamati Channel

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good afternoon everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and
Timeless Today. I have one of my very close friends,
and we've never met in person because she lives in
New Zealand. But you know how things happen when you
meet somebody, even online, and you feel an immediate chemistry.
Well that's what happened with Lisa Tommody and Michelle Hughes.

(00:33):
So we are like sisters, right, Lisa.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, brilliant. You're absolutely amazing, Michelle, and I love your
work and just love your ethos. So yes, we definitely
are sisters from another country.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Another mother. I always say with my male friends, you're
a brother from another mother.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I don't know. It's been what three years since we've
met each other, and you were the one. Good for
you to approach me on LinkedIn, I remember correctly, and
I remember saying to my assistant at the time, oh
my god, call that woman.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
It looks like crazy lady.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, no, I mean, just like everything that I read
about you, I was like, oh my gosh, she's amazing.
So why don't you start by giving us your backstory
so everybody knows who you are, and maybe start with
that little girl Lisa and tell us how you grew
up to be who you are today.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, we won't go to back too far. I'm boring,
but yeah, so I come from I come from New Zealand.
I'm a Kiwi. There for the funny eccente, sorry guys.
And yeah, I'm very old. I'm older, you know that.
I that I would like to admit. But grew up
in the seventies and a very lovely family over here.
But I had a very I have a background as

(01:56):
an ultra marathon runner. Let's start there, otherwise we'll be
heap about. So I spent twenty five years racing the
world's toughest endurance events around the world, so doing expeditions,
doing ultra marathons, climbing mountains, trekking, traveling, doing all that
sort of adventure stuff. And I think I got into that.

(02:17):
I was a gymnast as a child, and I got
to puberty, grew up too big, too tall, too heavy
to everything. You know this, gymnasts are going to be little.
And I disappointed my dad very much that I wasn't
going to make it in the gymnastics scene. And so
he'd always wanted us to represent our country in something,
and for me, it was gymnastics, and so I failed.

(02:38):
So I had to find something else to replace it
to please Dad. I think that was sort of my
motivation to begin with. And then am I late teens
early twenties. I had a boyfriend who was a very extreme,
amazing athlete, and we spent years sort of traveling around
the planet and doing lots of stuff. Unfortunately, it was
a very abusive relationship, you know, these early ones when

(03:01):
you're young and you put up with far too much
that you should have. And so he actually left me
in the middle of the Libyan desert. We're doing a crossing,
an illegal crossing of the Libyan desert, and after a
five year long relationship, he decided to ditch me in
the middle of that. So that was a big turning
point in my life. That was an extreme expedition where

(03:23):
we were like, you know, two hundred and fifty kilometers
that we had to cross. We had no outside help.
We had only you know, two liters of water a day,
which was by no means if you know anything about
deserts and forty odd degree temperatures and two liters of
water a day was not enough, and so we were covering,
you know, forty five kilometers a day sort of with
these huge backpacks, you know, like in kilos, thirty five

(03:45):
kilos I had in my back you know. So this
was a very extreme situation that I was in. And
the boyfriend at the time decided to pack a wobbly
and left leave me on day four.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
So that was like, that was almost an unreal piece
of information that you just said, how could someone with
any kind of character leave a poor girl, not even
a woman hardly yet right, a poor girl in the
middle of a desert by herself.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean, well, no, I wasn't. We had two other
guys with us, so I was with the other two
so luckily. But it was a really extreme situation and
it was really the culmination you know that I haven't
gone into the backstory, but it was a culmination of
you know, having someone having complete control over my life
basically at that point. And this was the first time

(04:38):
that we'd done any sort of expeditions or adventures with
other people. And they were like, hang on a minute,
this is not okay the way you're treating her. And
they were like, this is not all right. So these
two alpha males, if you like, had had a big
argument about, you know, me, and it was the fact
that the boyfriend wanted me to help with the book
with a photography that we were doing, and we we

(05:00):
were traveling really fast, like we had to move, you know,
forty five kilometers a day. It was just a lot,
and you're in a desert and if we didn't we
weren't going to get out. And I physically just wasn't
able to do that and go and set up tripods
and take photos and do all of that. And so
the boyfriend at the time was, you know, like you're useless,

(05:20):
you can't you know, what's wrong with your type of thing.
And he was the leader of the expeditions, Like, hang
on a minute, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I'm just curious at that time, how did that shape
you going forward?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, I mean I laugh about it now, but it
wasn't funny at the time. And it was it was
one of these you know, it was a situation where
we were so dehydrated, all of us. So your tempers
are very short anyway, because if anyone's experienced real dehydration,
it is the most torturous thing that you can possibly imagine.
So to be fair to him. He wanted to get
moving faster, and you know, and the rest of us

(05:59):
were able to and I wasn't able to do the
job that he wanted. So it was it was a
really dire situation, and it was a real low point
in my life. And I started to fall apart because
this is the love of your life and you're in
the middle of a desert and he's just left you,
and you don't know if you're going to make it out,
and you don't know whether your relationship is going to survive.
And you know, I was living in his country, Austria

(06:21):
at the time, so your whole life's falling apart, right
And in that moment, I really sort of had to
pull myself together, and it was learning to compartmentalize my
emotional trauma that I was going through from the physical
trauma that I was going through and going hang on,
I've got to survive here, So I've got to put
the emotional baggage to the side, and I've got to

(06:42):
really focus on survival and getting through and not causing
any more trouble to the other two guys who were
with us, And so we you know, the three of
us carried on. He left us, and you know, I
didn't know where the he had survived because you're in
the middle of the Libyan desert by yourself. It's not
not a good idea to be alone and anything like that.
And you know, it was touch and go. You'd have

(07:04):
to read my first book, Running Hot for the whole story.
And you know, I nearly didn't make it out because
the dehydration got so bad. You know, on day five
that I was in deep trouble. My body starting to
break down, nervous system breaking down, you know, passing out
all the time, just really in deep trouble. But we

(07:25):
did make it out, and it took me about two
years to recover from it physically, but mentally it took
me a lot longer to recover from the relationship, you know.
And it was a turning point because it was like
it was about as low as you could go in
your life. You know, your life's falling apart, the country
you're living in, the boyfriend, you know, everything, and then

(07:47):
going you know, taking the time to recover and then
going hang on. I was still living in Austria. I
wanted to have more adventures, but I wanted to do
it in a more controlled manner. That's when I came
across a race in Morocco called the Marathon Disables, which
is a very famous ultra marathon that runs across the

(08:07):
Moroccan Sahara two hundred and forty kilometers. And I've never
done a marathon at this point, but I've done lots
of trekking and lots of adventuring, and I thought I
might have a go at this by myself for the
first time, you know, doing something for myself with other
people down there, but not with somebody. And so I
went and got sponsors and I managed to get down
to this event and it was the most incredible, wonderful

(08:31):
event of my life because it was surrounded by the
most amazing people on this big mission together. It was
it was hard, but it was nowhere near as hard
as the stuff I'd been through with the in the past,
and so it was for me it was like this revelation,
I can keep having adventures, I can meet all these
amazing cool people, I can you know, do all these

(08:52):
extreme things in the more controlled environments. And that's what
I ended up doing, one after the other after the
other after the other, and twenty five years later, you know,
I had a really amazingly long career. I had no talent,
Michelle whatsoever for it, but I was just I think
those early experiences being told that you're useless, being told
that you can't do something really sort of fired up

(09:14):
a fire and me to prove certain people wrong, you know,
And so that was a driving force to you know,
I'm going to show you guys sort of thing in
the beginning at least, and then it morphed into other things,
but it was very much I'll show you And that's
probably a bit why I have a very contrarian nature
now to this day. You know, when someone tells me

(09:36):
I can't do something, I'm like you, Michelle, I'm just like, yea,
will you watch me? I'll find a way.

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Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know, I was watching I was listening to Tony
Robbins last night on one of his podcasts, and you know,
he's so inspiring anyway, but that's one of the things
he said. He said, never complain. Only look at yourself
and say, I'm only going to use this to get better.
So if I have a setback, you know, that's my lesson.
What have I learned from this? Not not complaining about

(10:42):
being a victim or you know, this is why? Why me?
You know, that kind of an attitude that some people adopt.
But instead what you did, which is to say, I'm
using this as a launching pad. And this wasn't you know,
it was a disappointment. It certainly was a disappointment. It
was a death in your case, and yet you used

(11:03):
it to launch into something even to show you're even
better than what you thought you were before that all happened.
So it was like a you know, it was like
a gift. I mean, they say that crisis and opportunity
in Chinese are synonyms. Wow, I didn't know. I never

(11:24):
knew that. But you know, so if you have a
crisis and you look at it and say, Okay, what
is this teaching me? Or what is this meant to
teach me? And then all you know, all you do
is look around you like you did and find another
opportunity to just show how much tenacity you have. So
good for you. So did you did you ever hook

(11:45):
up or see this guy again?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yes? I did years later, and you know, he had
matured a little bit and and I'd moved on, and
you know, it was it was good to to you know,
heal old wounds and so to speak. But it did
it still stayed with me though, Like even though that,
you know, I was no longer angry at him, so
to speak. It was more, you know, I had the
opportunity to do a race in America, actually Death Valley

(12:10):
through the Badwater Ultra Marathon, which is a famous race
in your neck of the woods. And this boyfriend back
then had cycled through Death Valley in the middle of summer,
and so it was in the back of my mind
when I heard about this races. You know, he'd always
skoited about cycling through Death Valley in the middle of summer,
and I'm like, this, wouldn't that be nice if I
could run through Death Valley in the middle of summer,

(12:33):
and sort of that would be a good book end
to that chapter, you know. And so I started training
for the Badwater Ultra Marathon and managed to get a
slot because it's not easy to get into that race.
It's very difficult. You have to have you know, it's
sort of like the World Champs of our sport, if
you like. And I finally got a slot in the
race and had the most incredible adventure running through a

(12:56):
death valley in the middle of summer. It was like
one hundred and thirty five mile and you know, temperatures
up to one hundred and twenty five or something degrees,
and you know, it was absolutely brutal. And I did
that twice. Actually I did that in two years in
a row, and that was sort of a book d
So like, Okay, I think I've proven it now. I'm
not that hopeless, I'm not that useless. I can do things.

(13:17):
And when you cross the finish line and something like that, Michelle,
you you know, and there's no stadiums full of people
and people putting metals around your neck or anything like that.
It's you know, it's more the fact that you took
on a massive challenge that was really difficult. You had
a wonderful team around you, because I had a brilliant
team that I put together, my crew that you know,

(13:38):
really helped me do it, and wonderful sponsors, and you know,
the family back home and all of those sorts of things.
And then you actually finish it, and you actually cross
the finish line and you realize, wow, I can do more.
All of us can do more than we ever thought possible.
The question is what are you willing to sacrifice for

(14:02):
that goal? And that's the question that you have to
ask yourself. It's not the question of can you do something,
It's more like, do you understand what you're going to
go through to achieve this goal? Is this sacrifice worth
it to you to achieve this goal? And if so,
then you go and you go hard, and you push
and you find ways. And when you really determined to

(14:25):
make something happen, you attract people to you because people
like you know, I had no way of getting there.
You know, I was thirty eight at the time. You know,
many years later, I was back home in New Zealand.
I had nothing. I'd sort of gone through another divorce
and i'd, you know, with come home from living in Austria.

(14:45):
So I was sort of starting back at scratch at
thirty eight years old with nothing, and I wanted to
do this race, and so I, you know, just started
talking to every man and his dog about this incredible
race that I wanted to do. And when you're really
enthusiastic about something and you have a mission on, what
you find is that people want to come on board

(15:06):
for some reason. You know, if you're a really enthusiastic person,
they'll be like, okay, I'll get involved with that. And
so I managed to get in one sponsor and another
sponsor and another sponsor and the crew members and team
members and together where you will put this whole project
together and we manage to get over to the States
because you know, it cost a lot of money and
all of that sort of thing, and then to actually
achieve it. And then when you when you have a

(15:28):
team like that behind you where you can't let them down,
can you. You've got to push to the absolute limit
to make sure you actually get there. And all of
those things are really learning lessons. So Ultra marathoning and
for me was not about the running itself, but that
was the conduit to me learning how to push, how
to grind, how to set up projects, how to market myself,

(15:50):
how to be a speaker, how to how to do
things like interviews like this, you know, all of those
things that go into putting projects like that together. And
when you when you do all of that, you just realize,
oh my gosh, I can achieve. You know that we
all set limitations on ourself and I still do it
today in certain areas, you know, like I think I've

(16:12):
got a problem with technology, so I'm not good at
that stuff. And the more I hear myself saying that,
the more I'm going I've got to focus on that stuff,
you know, because we all have this stuff that we
think I can't do that. And this is what really
set me up well for a life situation that happened
to me. Then later on, where ten years ago, and

(16:34):
I think I sheard this on my first podcast with you,
but it's a while back now. My mum had a
massive aneurism, so almost ten years ago now, and she
was left in the you know, in the hospital. We
had a misdiagnosis for a start, so we had a
medical misadventure. The ambulance driver she'd collapsed at home. Ambulance

(16:54):
thought she was having a stroke or an aneurysm, and
told the doctors that, and the doctor at the emergency said, oh, no,
she's just got a migraine. And so he left her
there basically dying from an aneurysm and said, oh, you've
just got a migraine, and we'll give you some you know,
panadole or some painkillers and left her there. And at
that point in my life, I wasn't in the medical

(17:16):
world i am now, and I was not knowing what
to ask for, what to do, you know, I was
believing that the doctor's knew everything. I just left it
up to them. And then after a few hours, my
mum was an incredible pain and she was like, you know,
like when you have an aneurysm, which is a bleed
in the brain, in this case, the pain is something
like you cannot imagine. Apparently, it's one of the worst

(17:36):
pains in the world because your brain is being squashed
to death, basically. And so I rang up a paramedic
who had been on my crew and I said, hey,
you know the people up here, I'm not getting anywhere.
Can you please come and help because I think there's
something major wrong and they're ignoring me. She came up
and she took one look at mum and went, oh, yep,
she's having an aneurysm or a stroke. And so she
went to the doctor and she holds us doctor off

(17:59):
and she's and said, you know, get her a CT
scam right away, right now, and know un certain terms,
so to speak. And he finally relented after six hours
of us being in the ED and got a CT scam.
And then it came back, Oh my god, you know,
blood right throughout the brain. She's probably dying. And we
live in a regional area where there's no sort of

(18:19):
neurological unit. So they had to get air ambulances in,
which took another twelve hours for her for them to
shift to and she could die at any moment, right
The gold standard when you have an aneurism is to
get them into surgery within an hour if you want
to save their lives. And here we were eighteen hours
before she got surgery. So the blood and the damage
was extensive. And this put me on hi alert Michelle

(18:42):
about I've got to do whatever I can in this
new situation that I've been presented to research the hell
and not be caught short again, and if we have
another chance, And I remember, you know, promising God in
the universe that if I had another chance to do
it right at this time, I would study, and I
would help and I would do whatever it takes to
help my mum. And I remember saying that to my dad.

(19:04):
My dad, the doctors are going, we don't think she's
going to survive, you know, get ready for the worst.
And my dad was, you know, like, oh my god.
You know, he'd been married to her for fifty five
years and you know, this was he was, she was
his life. He started to, you know, break down, and
I'm like, she's alive, Dad, you know, I grabbed him

(19:24):
and I just said, look, she's alive. I'm not going
to be caught short again. Dad. We're going to do
you know. Gave him all other jobs to do, get
down to Wellington, you know, do all this. When people
are in an emergency situation like that, give them jobs
so that they're braining their executive function. Can can you know,
take over and you can focus on what you can
control in this uncontrollable situation, you know, And so over

(19:48):
the next three weeks. To cut a long story short,
she was in an out of coma. She was very
close to death, and multiple times the surgeons did a
wonderful job on their part, but she was in and
out of coma, and as the blood and the brain
matter mix, you get more and more inflammation happening over
the following weeks, so you're not out of the woods

(20:08):
straight away. It actually gets worse and worse and more
brain damage before you hopefully survive and stabilize. So in
this time, I'm just studying my heart out and I'm
catching things at the doctors aren't catching already, you know,
in the hospital, and just being hyper vigilant, realizing that
you know that already macked up once and wasn't going

(20:29):
to let that happen on my watch again, and not
being able to control that much because she was in
the ICU, right, so I didn't have much control. But
after three weeks she stabilized. They said, look, she's going
to survive where we've got through the worst of it,
but she's massively brain damaged. At age seventy four, she's
never going to do anything again. Like she was like

(20:50):
a baby, you know, had hardly any higher function at
or didn't know who she was or recognize us, or
you know, any control of her body. She was paralyzed
completely on the rights. I had no speech, you know, nothing.
And in this situation, I was like, right, I'm going
to start studying brain rehabilitation. And I came across something
called hyperbaric oxygen therapy and I actually run a hyperbaric

(21:12):
oxygen clinic now. And I read doctor Paul Hart, who's
an American doctor, very famous doctor, and he spoke in
his book about how powerful this is for brain rehabilitation.
And then I read a book called doctor Norman Deutsche
about the brain that changes itself and can heal itself.
And I'm like reading all these books and I'm hearing

(21:33):
from the doctors that's impossible. You can't do it. There's
nothing to be done. There's nothing to be done, you know.
And I'm like, on, these doctors are telling me over
here there there is something to be done, and I
can do something. So I decided to believe the people
that told me I could and not the people who
told me I couldn't. And she was in hospital for
three months, and in that time I already picked up
I've done a lot of racing at altitude in the Himalayas,

(21:55):
and I had had altitude sickness before, and I was
recognizing the ELTI to sickness and my mum, in other words,
a lack of oxygen. And so I said to the doctors,
I think she's got sleep apnear. I think she's not breathing.
They'd taken an oxygen mask off her, and and I
think she needs to have a sleep sleep abnear assessment.

(22:16):
And they wouldn't listen to me. And so I got
an outside consultant who happened to be my dad worked
for him as his gardener, and so I said, hey,
can you come in to the to the hospital. We
stuggled this consultant, a sleep sleep assessment guy physiologist into
the into the hospital one night and we hooked Mom

(22:38):
up to the sleep atnear machines and we did a
sleep apney assessment and it came back to she was
severe sleep at near So she was stopping breathing hundreds
of times a night, hundreds of times. So that was
meaning that the little bit of brain power that she
had left was being knocked by the fact that she
wasn't getting oxygen. Right, So this was actually chainstoke breathing,
which is what you do usually on the way out.

(23:00):
You know, that's you know, getting pretty bad. And so
when I found this, and I went to them and said, hey,
will you told me I couldn't do a sleep APNE assessment.
I did it anyway, got in trouble for that, but
who cares. This is the results. And then they were like, oh, oh,
oh okay, we'll put the sleep ATNE machine on her.
And then she started to get oxygen when she was asleep,

(23:21):
and she was sleeping eighteen twenty hours a day, right
because she was so fatigued and so badly damaged. And
so this was my first one, and then she started
to have little bits of improvement. And then I once
I got her out of the hospital setting, because then
after three months they were like, you know, we have
to put her into institution. You're never going to be
able to care for at home. She's two people around

(23:42):
the clock here. You're just not going to cope as
a family. And I remember fighting with a social worker
who was a complete asshole. Excuse my language, but he was,
and he was hell bent on getting him out of her,
out of his budget, and into an institution. Another insteaditution's budget,
and that meant not letting her go home to our

(24:03):
house because then they still had to look after her.
They were still you know, have to have caregivers come
in and things like that, which cost the money. So
it was a budgeting thing. So that you have to
understand when you're in the hospital system, there are budget constraints.
There are things like that that they're prioritizing over the
health of your loved one. So if you want to
get the best for your loved one, you're going to

(24:25):
have to fight and advocate for them in order to
get those resources. At least that that's the case in
New Zealand. So anyway, I fought to get her home.
I eventually got the right to take her home. I
used to take my big brother with me, who was
a very scary looking man, and he would just come
and sit in all meetings so he didn't have to
do anything. But I got what I wanted Michelle to

(24:47):
bring her home, right.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
So that's an amazing story. So okay, so the hyperbaric oxygen.
They didn't have a unit at that hospital, of course,
of course not, but you knew that hyperbaric oxygen was
going to be one of the protocols that you had
to provide. So how did you get from A to

(25:11):
B was getting a unit and getting at home to
be on a hyperbaric oxygen unit.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, so I actually approached a commercial dive company of
all places, because they need this for divers who get
the bends. That's the same hyperbaric chamber that they use
for such excidents, and so it's by law commercial dive
companies have to have these. And I approached these wonderful
people and I said, hey, this is my situation, this
is my research. Can I please use your chamber? And
these amazing people said, yeah, you sign a legal waiver

(25:39):
and do all the legalities that they're not responsible and
you can use the chamber. So like, hell, yes, you know.
So the day I got her out of the hospital,
she's in a wheelchair, she can't move anything, she has
no idea where she is. She's going straight. She didn't
We didn't even go home. We went straight to this
factory and we went straight into the hyperbaric chamber, which,

(26:00):
by the way, was not easy. We had to get
a fork left. We had to put her stretcher onto
the forklift to get her into this chamber. Because she
couldn't move right. And my dad and I went in
there with her and we did all the treatments with her.
And this was amazing and what these people allowed us
to do was incredible. And we had thirty three treatments
there and my mom started to respond. Now she didn't

(26:22):
just get up and be fixed right. This was massive
brain damage, but she started to have a few words,
She started to move her right arm, which had been paralyzed.
She was starting to have a flicker of intelligence behind
her eyes. And then I realized that this is working.
We need a lot more of this. And then I
lost access to the chamber because the guys had to

(26:43):
take it off on a contract, and so I then,
when you know another obstacle, what do I do? So
I mortgaged my house and I bought a hypermeric chamber
and I instilled it in our house. And then I
had to work it out how do I get her
in because this was a different type of chamber, a
soft shell chamber, and getting a parallel person into a
chamber is not a simple thing. But I found a

(27:04):
way in a method. My family and I worked it
out and we got her in there, and we put
her through treatment after treatment after treatment, and in this
time I'm also starting everything I possibly can about how
the brain rewires itself out of healing neurons, what supplements
to take, what diet to do, what you know, functional neurology,
how to re establish a vestibulous system. You know. I

(27:26):
exercises all these things that I could possibly do to
stay one step ahead of her in her recovery. And
I had no idea. I was just flying completely blind.
There was no support from the hospital, there was no
physio even there was nothing. I engaged one good physio
for a little bit of a time to and he
gave me some exercises to try with her, and I
just stayed one step ahead of her in her recovery journey.

(27:48):
I learned the next step and tried to work out everything.
And in this time I studied genetics, I got qualified
in genetics, and so you know, I did all these things,
and the long story short, it took me two and
a half years to get her back to full capacity,
like full driver's license, full ability to walk, you know,
three four days a day, go to the gym, five

(28:09):
days a week, socializing, full power.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Back two and a half years. It's really a short
period of time for somebody that was in that extreme
really one step from gas.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, and she was seventy you know by then, it
was since she was seventy six, you know, like she
wasn't a spring chicken anymore. And so for the brain
to heal itself at that age, you know, takes a
hell of a lot of So I had basically an
eight hour program a day of exercises of movement of
whether it was me moving her or message or you know,

(28:44):
just every day there was just activities all day to
try to and rest in between because she was very
fatigued as well. But you know, a really strict program
day and day day and day out. And I know
how to grind because I'm an ultra marathon runner, and
so I know how to just keep going when I
see no progress and nothing's improving, and I just keep
going anyway, because the alternative is I didn't have one,

(29:07):
So all I knew to do was the things that
I could do, right, So I just keep studying and
keep doing the doing, And there would be months of
no progress whatsoever, but I just push pushed through, push through,
push through. And what I found with biology, and I've
seen this over and over again now because I work
with people in this area, is that the biology changes
and you have a step up of improvement, and then

(29:30):
you will plateau, plateau for two or three months, and
then you have another step up and plateau again. But
most people give up in that plateau, right. Same even
with hyperbaric you need enough treatments if you're this bad.
Obviously you don't need quite as many with normal sort
of things, but you need a lot of treatments. And
therefore most people will do three or four or five

(29:52):
or six, and then they'll go, it's not working, you know,
and they're not prepared to put in the hard yards
and hard work and the time and the money and
the energy that it takes to actually push through those
barriers and get to that full the potential, you know.
And yeah, so I wrote a book about it called Relentless,
and that's you know, avadable on Amazon and on my

(30:13):
website and things, and it's a really an inspiring story.
Unfortunately it doesn't finish there because then four years later,
so now, when mum was eighty or seventy nine eighty,
she ended up with brain cancer, probably you know, after

(30:34):
the after effects of the aneurysm. And also it was
EBV epstein bar virus positive a c in is lymphoma,
so this was a blood cancer but in the brain.
So she had tumors right throughout the right side of
the brain, sorry, the left side of the brain. And
this when this happened, she had her whole face dropped

(30:56):
and I thought she was having a stroke, and I
had to fight for three weeks for them to get
an emr I. Once again, you're just up against it
in the medical system. So this is one of the
reasons why, you know, I'm such an advocate for people,
you know, really fighting for the resources that they need
and really taking as much control in the preventative space
so that they don't end up in this Hopefully don't

(31:16):
end up in these situations. You can never know because
you never know what's going to come at you. But
it's a real battle for resources out there. So anyway,
I eventually I managed to get mom and MRII and
came back. Yeah, brain cancer. And then I chased a
neurosurgeon that had operated on her previously all around the

(31:38):
place until I got him on the phone, terrorized everybody
until I got him. You know how hearted us to
get to a neurosurgeon. I did, and he said he
ranged me and said, I hear you have been chasing
me around and you want to talk to me. I said, yeah,
do you remember Isabelle? I said yes, I remember Isabelle.
I said, well, she's in trouble again. She needs to
help me to get down here on Tuesday and we'll operate.

(31:59):
So he did. He operated, fantastic, amazing surgeon took out
this massive tumor which was the size of a great
brud in her brain, and then they did the pathology
on it, and of course it came back a very
aggressive c in eslam foma. Nothing we can do, Nothing
we can do. She's going to die. You know. That
is very quick and it will be only a matter

(32:20):
of weeks and she won't survive. Now I've written another
book called Watcher Oncologist isn't telling you. I've interviewed all
the top people in the world of the metabolic approach
to cancer. I went full bore. I put fifteen doctors
on her team. I went everything from peptides through to
the ketogenic diets, to doing more hyperbaric, to intervene in

(32:41):
spidermin c to off labor drug combinations that blocked the
food to cancer. It took us twelve weeks. I also
did temes olamide, which was a type of chemotherapy that
an advanced genetic test that I had done in Greece
showed me respond to. So I had to chase all

(33:01):
around the country to get that. And so I went
both sides in this case because we had weeks to
live and you know, no other no other options. I
would have preferred not to have had to have that,
but I decided to do that anyway. And yeah, twelve
weeks later we were clear on the MRI of any tumors.

(33:23):
And she's been in remission ever since. So you never
want to say you're cured. We've got another MRI coming
up lately this month, and I'm like this, and I
stay very much on my toes. I have a whole
arsenal of supplements and things, and you know, she has
a very strict diet. She has all sorts of incredible

(33:46):
you know, peptides and things that she's on and hopefully
we'll win. Hopefully we're still winning. At the end of
this month, we will know again where we're at. But
you know, we've had another four years of good quality
of life. I mean she said other dramas gone and
broken her hip and things like that. In the middle
had sepsis. You know the amount of times, Michelle, that

(34:06):
I've been told that she's dying and this is the
end and there is nothing you can do, and you know,
sign this advanced care planning, which is their right to
knock you off. Never sign those things. And the amount
of times that she's been told that, and you know,
like you've just got to accept Lisa that she's going
to die, you know, And I'm like, well, no, if you,

(34:29):
I'm not. And Mum is the same, you know, like, yes,
one day we will die. You know, I've lost I've
lost my dad, I've lost a baby. I know what
it is to go through grief. I know what it
is to lose what love wants. But I'm not I'm
not a I'm a fighter. I'm a warrior. I'm not
going to give up until the very last second, you know,

(34:51):
Like that's just who I am. And people don't like that.
They're like, oh, you know You've got to just let go.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Why why life is PASSI as you've been dealing with
the allopathic medical community rather than the functional if I mean,
you have a lot of functional connections on this, I do. Yeah,
the people that are telling you that are not the
people that are in the functional world. They want to
find solutions, and you know, some of them are extreme

(35:21):
enough to believe in immortality. So let's just say. You know,
it's all about who you're networking with exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
So I'd rather be with those guys than the standard allopathy. Unfortunately,
you need them right like you're in the.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Situation operations exactly in a crisis. You know that is
the modality. But you know you need to combine those
to get and you are just tenacious. You know that
your tenacity should be in an Olympic award.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
You have to fight like in the system like and
even then you don't want let alone people who don't fight,
you know. I just feel so sorry for people who
don't have feisty you know, sons and daughters that can
fight for them, or older people who who are alone.
You know, I just see people dying unnecessarily early, you know,

(36:21):
and it's to me, it's you know, like that's all told,
Oh there's nothing we can do, you know, it's it's
just and then they dehydrate them to death, and they
don't you know, like for me, this is inhumane. And
they give it a name, they give it a protocol name,
you know, and and that to me makes it okay
that you know that you don't provide.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
People put a name that means they can just forget
about it. They put it in a box with a
frame around the legal Yeah. Yeah, that frame kind of
is you know, self defining and basically you know, has
its uh termination of the life life as part of
the ingredients that are in that within that frame. So

(37:05):
they give up, they give up too soon, and they
they and they look for alternatives that are are you know,
not are not productive to the the outcome. So more
more drugs, more you know, uh invasive treatments, but not
the things that will help to heal at the source.

(37:26):
That's the problem with allopathic medicine is they're trying to
heal symptoms or cure symptoms, but they're not looking for
the root cause. And that's what you so there in
the process that you start pushing the limits, which is,
by the way, is the perfect name for you pushing anything.

(37:47):
Bribe you better than than that. So where did the
podcast begin? I know it. I know you've been doing
it for a longer about double me. I'm seven years
and you're what about.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I'm about living you and now I think so basically,
I'd started the podcast before Mum got sick, not long before,
but it was very much a running and performance in
athletic performance podcasts at the very beginning, and then of
course we Mum got sick, that flipped because then it
went into you know, getting the right doctors on that
I needed to talk to to help mum right, you know, selfishly,

(38:20):
and then it morphed into other things, and you know
that's why I've ended up interviewing all these cans of
doctors as well and have a book now, and you know,
like it's it's morphed over the years into different things
as I've morphed and as I've changed, and as i've
you know, and recently, Michelle, I've been really focusing not
only on the longevity and health optimization sector, which of

(38:42):
course I love, but also in self sovereignty and wealth,
you know, which you would know a lot about probably,
you know, like to me, so studying what's happening in
our financial system and how we can protect our wealth
going forward, and you know how we because all of
this longevityestuff unfortunately costs a lot of money, and we
need to if we're going to live longer, we're going

(39:03):
to have to finance that living longer. And so for me,
it's like a logical step to start now learning and
you know, have been sort of for the last five years,
like learning everything about the monetary system and how do
we protect ourselves from government overreach, and of course what
we experienced during COVID sort of broke my paradigm of

(39:23):
how the governments can control your life completely if they
decide to. You know, we were one of the you know,
people that didn't believe that the vaccines you know, were good,
for example, and so we were you know, cut out
of society over here in New Zealand. And that sort
of woke me up to hang, and we're not living
in a democracy like I thought we were living in
a democracy, and we're not living in a safe place.

(39:46):
And so that really sent me down the rabbit hole
of studying monetary history and the latest things that we have,
you know, bitcoin and things like that.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
So well, you know, the thing is, Lisa, that I
say this to everybody. It's very expensive for the average
person to be able to support longevity. Huge the cost
of treatments if you're going to be like I mean,
not everybody's Brian Johnson right, the two million dollars a

(40:16):
year on his health. I mean just going to for
you know, plasma foresis or ebot or any of those
that are you know, cutting edge. Even the pepties, I
mean just injecting peptize like what three hundred and sixty
five dollars if you're lucky and you can find somebody
that's got a really good quality. Yeah. So anyway, you know,

(40:36):
you add all that up, like you said your mother
was on, you had your mom on numerous pepties, huge.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Huge costs, huge cost so basically to finance you know,
her saving her life. But you know, like at the
end of the day, do you know, I mean, your
loved ones are far more import more than your assets, right,
So whatever it takes, once again is my motto. But

(41:06):
now I'm sort of focusing on how can I make more?
You know, not I don't want money for flash cars
and flash houses and yachts and things. I want money
so that I can get access to the right treatments
that I need from my loved ones to I want
to stay healthy and I want to be functional for
as long as possible. I want the freedom that that
brings as well, the freedom over my time and the

(41:28):
freedom over my resources. And I want to be able
to impact the world right And so I can't do
that from a place of poverty, and so I have
to try to work out not that I'll crack the
code everybody like, you know, but how do I do
that and understand So going and dip dive into this
world as well as the longevity world, I think is

(41:49):
very important because in the future, I think it's going
to be important, Michelle, that we when we may have
to leave our countries that we grew up in in
order to go to places that respect property rights and
your medical freedom rights and things like that, which is
not what I want to entertain because I love my country.
But I also understand that I don't want to be

(42:11):
cut off from the technology that is coming down the
pipeline and I can't access is because my country city
is behind, you know, And so you doing what it
can on the on the activism side here to create change,
But you know, I'm not Tony Robbins and I'm not,
you know, Joe Rogan, and I'm not. You don't have

(42:31):
that bigger platform from which to build on. So it's
a slow burn. And so you have to keep your
options open and know, you know, what's happening out there
in the world and what places are respecting people's rights
to try things. Because the closer you get to the cliff,
in other words, the closer you are to dying, the
more you have to take risks that's right in order

(42:54):
to you know, and you should have the right to
take those risks in order to further science. I mean
that that would be a logical people, you know, with
conformed consent. But I would like to see, like I
did a video this week on GBT four B and
retro Sciences and their breakthroughs with the incredible work that
they're doing with AI and being able to understand the

(43:16):
M and archifectors better and reverse cellular aging and so
on and so forth, and people are like, you know,
like de Missus Savis, you know, famous scientists who won
the Nobel Prizes, like We're going to solve and cure
aging by twenty thirty five. And I'm going, yeah, you
guys are going to do that. I have no doubt
whatsoever that you guys are going to do that. Are

(43:38):
the regulators, are the lobbyists, are the big farmer? Are
they going to allow us to get access to it?
Or they're going to tie it up in thirty years
of clinical trials and see peptides and so on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well, you know, I always tell people that when I
went to a four M three years ago, the keynote
speaker was Peter Diamanders who he is and uh, and
he basically said the same thing. He said, you know,
what's happened in the last ten years is in the
longevity health space is more cutting edge and exciting than

(44:16):
what happened in the last hundred years. And AI of
course plays a huge role in that. And then he
and of course he and Tony Robbins have the Fountain
of Life and they yeah, life, that's awesome book and
so forth. So I think the good news that we
can say there's a light at the end of the
tunnel there is. There are more protocols available today than

(44:39):
ever before. Again, affordability is one of the issues. Unfortunately
the traditional medical community isn't It has not supported a
lot of these new technologies because they can't patent them,
and so they want to keep this basically as to

(45:01):
ostracize those who are developing. So so it's a battle.
It's still you know, being found. However, people like you, you know,
always find a way to open the door.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
We keep trying in your face.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
You're still going to find an aperture to open that.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Door, right, yeah, exactly. And you know, and on that front,
like I've since we last spoke, I've started a biotech
company and we're doing We've we've created a formulation called
Rejuvenate pro or in the States it's called Selling and Restore.
And you know, doctor Elizabeth Earth of the Wonderful Yet

(45:42):
she's our scientific advisor who's helped us with the formulations,
and her and I and our team have worked on
a formulation for the last two years that is mind
blowingly you know, I'm really proud of the work that
we've put in and we've created this formulation when we
decided to go after immunosinescence, so the aging of the
immune system. So when Elizabeth and I were talking about,

(46:04):
you know, like all this wackhamle approach of all the
twelve hallmarks of aging and we've got to have this
for that, and that for this, and this for that,
and they end up with, you know, like you and
I know, eighty supplements take every day and to try
to affect all of these hallmarks of aging. And then
we were studying the work of Dr David Furman at
the one thousand Immunomist Projects. So he's the project lead

(46:26):
at the Buck Institute and the Stanford University's one thousand
immunemis Project, and this is the world's longest immunology study.
And what they've so fifteen years and thousand people that
followed over that period of time, and what they've come
up with is that the immune system is really at
the basis of all aging, Like it's really affects all

(46:46):
of the hallmarks of aging. So we say, and so
rather than doing the wakamole approach with a thousand things,
we decided to follow that approach and go after immunosignescence,
the aging of the immune system, because it's when you'remmune
system goes down that you get all too immune, or
cancer or viruses can get the wold of you, or
you know, all of these things that take a lot
of older people out. Is really the immune system not

(47:10):
doing its job anymore properly, and so we've developed this
formulation and it's a combination of things that have got
a fifteen years with a clinical research behind the individual ingredients,
and we're trying to do some studies now with the
Buck Institute and Stanford hopefully we can get that up
and running. We're still working on that using their iage
test and their ieage test looks at different proteins to

(47:33):
see how well your immune system is aging and whether
we're having a win with our formulation in this case.
So we want to do clinical trials with this. We've
got lots of clinical data about clearing out viruses, about
being antimiprobi or anti inflammatory antioxidant, you know, upregulates things
like the NERF two pathway. It helps with leaky gap,

(47:55):
which is the cause of a lot of problems for
many people, helps with biffidobacteria, lactopascillis, and it's a combination.
Two of the ingredients are One is a kosterol way extract,
which is a really powerful extract from colostrum, the first
milk of the mammal right for the babies. And this
is a super food from the get go because evolution

(48:17):
has made it such that our most vulnerable babies get
this for the very first thing that they need in
order to develop their immune system. Get the immunoglobulins, the
transfer factors, the growth factors, all across to the baby.
Now as adults we can also benefit from that, but
we've taken out the things that we don't need, the fat,
the lactose, that type of thing, and we've kept all

(48:40):
the bioactives from immuneulois. The ingredient that we've used, which
is a standardized, really powerful colosterol way extract, and there's
over twelve thousand studies just on colosterum alone, you know,
and the problem has always been standardizing it, and that's
why this is a very powerful extract. And then we've
used from New Zealand cows another product, immune Defense Proteins,

(49:02):
which is a bioactive way protein suite of fifty bioactive
wave proteins. And this was developed by nature over evolution
of time to protect the cow from infection and inflammation
on the inside of the other you like, because they
have a dirty little cow suckling every day on it
and being milked and sort of so they can get

(49:24):
a lot of infections, and so evolution has over time
created this bioactive suite and it's mostly lactiferin, so forty
percent of it is lactiferin. Farin is the most incredible.
If you look up lactoferin and what lactiferin does like,
they have biannual conferences for the last thirty years on
the wonders of lacto firin and it's so such a

(49:44):
powerful positive ingredient for us. But this IDP has got
a supporting suite of all these forty eight other active
bioactive weave proteins. And what they found was that they
were trying to get a better quality lack of feran
when they first started researching, and they stripped out all

(50:05):
the other bioactive way proteins from it and they left
just the lack of far and the more they stripped
it out, the weaker it became. What they found was
that the synergy of all of this together was a
much powerful, more powerful which makes sense because evolution had
created this suite of fifty bioactives together to work together.

(50:25):
So if you think of it like the American football
team and you've got the quarterback that would be lack
of ferent and he's the most important player on the
field apparently, but he needs his supporting players around him
to shine right in order to really be good. And
so that's sort of the analogy. So we've put these
two ingredients together. And then we have coor co which

(50:46):
is not Carver, which is from the Islands, but coor
coor which is a New Zealand indigenous Maori medicine that's
been around for hundreds of years here it's only in
New Zealand, and it regulates the NRF two pathway, which
is your endogenous antioxidant capacity, so very very powerful for that,

(51:09):
and it down regulates the inflammatory cytokines like interluken one
better and interluken six, which are the cytokines of aging
that go up as we get older anyway, and we
get the systemic chronic inflammation, and so it works on
all of these inflammatory cytokines, and then it supports a
cytokine called interluken ten, which is a very pro sorry

(51:30):
anti inflammatory cytokine. So it's a positive one that goes
down so il one better and the ile six. So
these go up and the other one's down, and so
we want to modulates the immune system. It's not boosting it,
it's modulating it. And then the final ingredient that we
got in it is carnosic acid from the rosemary plant.

(51:54):
Conossic acid we particularly win after this one. It also
does a bit of overlapping stuff with the cover the
inner f to the interlukens again, but it's also lowers
something called CXCL nine, which in the one Thousand Immunomes
project came out as being one of the most important

(52:14):
proteins for lowering your cardiovascular risk and modulating your immune system.
And it's a very very the only one that we've
found of a natural supplement source that wasn't a drug
that lowers the xCl nine, which they've identified as being
one of the major players as far as your immune
systems aging is concerned. So that's what the colossic acid

(52:35):
helps with. It's also very neuroprotective, so you know, if
you've got any aging brain related issues, that's very positive
for that as well. So yeah, altogether, this is a
very powerful I mean, without giving you an hour science
because it could, but yeah, this is called self restore
in the States, and it's we have our distributors are

(52:57):
just getting it in the States. This very weak.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Actually, I have you get me some so I absolutely
you know what, here's a really great idea. Let me
try it for how long do you think I would
need to use it to see some change?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I would like ideally I would give to you for
like ninety days, so you know, like I'll send you
over enough for ninety days, Michelle to take a couple
of days. And what would it be ideal with if
you can take your blood taste before and.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
After my blood work, So this will be great, yeah,
perfect timing. Well, the reason I'm saying this if I
do it for ninety days and then you know, I
personally have some improvements of success because everybody, everybody needs
to see in this, in this toxic environment we live in.

(53:50):
So can I write an article now for Top Doctor
magazine and I would do an article on you and
Elizabeth isn't and make sure that people know about this
because they have a huge audience.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
That'll be incredible, going to be.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Follow up on the podcast. But I can help you.
I could be a steward for you if if I
see you it's working. It sounds like it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
It is. It is it is, and what's your olymphocyte
counts and things like your olympicyites, because as you get older,
your olympicyte count goes down like and so that affix
all of your ratios the olympocytes are really so I've
just also developed Michelle a immune age calculator, and I'm
still working with the developers, so it's not available commercially,

(54:41):
but hopefully soon if my developers can get it to
do what it's meant to do. But this breaks down
all your immune So you put in your CBC that
you put in your neutrophils, your olympicytes, your monocytes, your cynophils,
your d e W if you can, your HSCRP, and
your monocytes and platelests, and then it gives us all
of the ratios like a neutrail, lymphosite ratio, lymphites, monocyte, monocyte,

(55:06):
you know, your platelet to limp side, et cetera. And
all of these ratios give us more detailed, nuanced information
about what's actually going on in your immune system and
where you particularly need to work. And one of the
main things that our formulation we know helps with is
the lymphocyte count, which is the most critical one that

(55:26):
goes down as you age, so really watch out for
that one. And if you're doing things like microbiome testing,
you might see that yours oniline levels improve and your
col protect and your inflammatory markers improve and things like that,
and your autoimmune markers, your A and A if you
have that type of thing going on, could because also
see improvements. So we yeah that I'm really keen to

(55:48):
get this calculator out. I've still got some development work
to do on this, but I see this calculator also
being a really powerful thing for practitioners and for the
laid public, because then they're going to be able to
put their standard CBC in and optionally you can put
in your CRP and your RW which will give us
more accuracy. But if you don't have those, you can

(56:09):
just put your CBC in, which everybody gets, and it's
going to be very very reasonably priced, and it's going
to be a thing that you can track over time
to see how your immune system is working. So I'm
really excited to get this app out, but it's a
little way off yet.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
LISTA sorry to interprete's a calculator? Do you have to
do any does you have to extract any blood or
is it all done by.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yes, So you have to come with your blood results.
That's the thing at the moment. So you you know,
when you go and get your standard blood tests you
know from your doctor every six months or whatever. You
you just take those numbers and just plug them in
your neutral fields, you look for sites, et cetera, and
then it does the calculations and gives your report based
on that, and then we're working now on developing personalized

(56:58):
reports off the back of that. There's a bit of
you know, development work still to be done.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
But honestly, you could get that GBG. You could use
AI and just do the same thing. Couldn't you just say, okay,
here's my results. What does this mean?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yes, yeah, I mean to it. It's not rocket science.
But we've we've come up with a so we've got
the pan immune index and then we've got the systemic
immune index. So these are sort of a little bit more.
They're all scientifically validated ratios. You could go and do
the work for sure, I chat if you wanted to.
What we've also come up with is our own scientifically

(57:37):
defensible but not proven index number. Right, So based on
all of those ratios. We've given them a waiting so
that you've got a single number that you can put
in your head as to how well you're tracking overall,
and then you can also break it down and you know,
if you've got a high lmr alymphocite to monocyte ratio

(57:58):
and you've had a history of cancer, you might want
to go and get that checked, you know. Or if
you've got a high mono site to limp a site ratio,
then you may have to go and look at vascular issues,
you know. So it gives you that more nuanced information,
and it's going to be at a really good price
point that I think will make it, you know, just

(58:18):
a no brainer for people to go. Right, I'm just
going to plug my blood values in. Hopefully we can
work it out how you can just scan your blood
tests and things. So that's all developer stuff that I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
What do you think what will the price point be?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Well, it's going to be under fifty dollars. So we
haven't we haven't, we haven't you know, finalized, but I
really wanted to make it so that you can follow
your trend data over time. You know, anybody can do
this and practitioners can use this as well so that
you can actually follow your clients and have a more
nuanced look at what's actually going on. Because we all

(58:54):
get the CBC, but if you're not running all of
these indexes and and you're not getting that extra information out,
you know that you could be giving you much more
clarity on how well you're actually doing in your immune system.
And as I said, the immune system is at the
basis of all of the marks of aging. It's really

(59:15):
affected all of them.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So yeah, this is really exciting. So what kind of
response have you had so far with your data testing?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
So I'm very much at the beginning, Michelle. So I'm
still working with developers, so I've only been using it
in my clinic, you know, like with the demo demo
app at the moment, and it's been very helpful for
me to break down to my clients what they need
to be doing and to get more nuanced with what
are my protocols that I'm developing. But we haven't gone

(59:46):
out yet because of the development's not finished yet. So
I will let you know when we are at that point,
and maybe I can come on and talk a little
bit more and we can take you through the process
and you do yours, and we can track you over
a couple of months or something like that. That would
be you know, really gold.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
What is the cost of the product when you do
go out to distribution.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Oh so for the Seal Restore, our actual formulation that's
hitting the stores in America in the next couple of weeks.
Longevity Launch is our distributor, and I'm not exactly in
New Zealand. It's the price point of eighty nine dollars
New Zealand, which is about half of a year, So
that would be half in the US market. So what's

(01:00:34):
that about? About forty five US dollars for a month's supply. Yeah,
so give a take a few dollars. I'm not quite
sure what the final prices in America because we've got
tariffs and all that sort of jazz going on at
the moment. So you know, forgive me if I got
that slightly wrong. But I'll be able to tell your

(01:00:54):
listeners that shortly once they've received the received the first
ship which is en route as we speak. That's been
exciting in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Me the three months. Why don't you give me a
link that put in I can have my assistant put
in the show notes so people know it's coming and
be looking out for it, and you know, then we'll
do a follow up. That's what I like. I want
to I want to get my own personal experience.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, so I will send you some personal stuff over immediately,
and then I'll hook you up with our distributors, Courtney
from Longevity Launch, and make sure that you have the
right links. Once I've got there, you know, their their
systems set up and ready to go. And for anybody
international that's listening, they can buy it directly off off

(01:01:45):
my website. So under in New Zealand it's called Rejuvenate Pro.
We wanted to have that in the States, but we
had trademark issues so we had to you know, change
the name. But yeah, so I will send you some
links to the New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah in the show notes. And would you know at
least for ordering, if people are not on the in
the US, they can order for your website. If they're
in the US, they can order through Longevity Launch.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Okay, that is fabulous. So I'm so excited about all
the stuff that you've done. And before we go, I
want to ask you one question. If you had to pick.
In all those eleven years of people that you've interviewed,
is there one or two guests that just stand out
that you would like want everybody to know about to

(01:02:38):
go research.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Yeah, I mean number one would be doctor Elizabeth Youth. Yes,
she's she is the goat. She is the greatest of
all times in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
You know, no on my podcast, right, Yes I do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I think I introduced you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
She is. She is absolutely the most wonderful person and
the most patient. She's my mum's physician, she's a scientific advisor,
she's my mentor. She's absolute legends. So she would be
my absolute number one. And then there is Oh my god,
there's so many bloody brilliant people that I've interviewed. One

(01:03:18):
I really love a real rebel is doctor Bill Clearfield
from Nevada. And then Dr Thomas Levy. He is an
absolute legend. Yeah, those are those are a few of
my favorites. Doctor doctor dom Die Gastino, who was very
cool as well super knowledgeable. Oh, there's just so many.

(01:03:40):
I hate, I hate packing favorite children.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
The product just throw I mean the links. Send me
those names because you and I have been really good
about like you that Rob Silverman, Rob, he's awesome, and
Elizabeth through you, and then I also met Kashift d
Yes and I actually this month Tracy would you know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Tracy would No, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Okay, she's the new CEO of DNA company.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Oh okay, I hadn't brought up with him for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Doctor Magazine. She's she's a subject for this month's article,
this month being August. I'm sorry, we're in September. So
September is doctor Nathan Bryan, who's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Also Oh yes, I love him as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yeah. Nitric oxide, which of course is so important for everybody.
I take that every day one one Lozenger and my
scores have gone like off the charts, and it maybe
how that thing, how one lostenger can do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yeah, I have I have two. Lozeng's mum has two
a day. I have one a day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
It means that she had blood fish is normalized, you know,
like which is a miracle, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Absolutely. Yeah, we came to the end. I knew it
would go buy so fast, and they just signaled me.
So I wanted to say goodbye to you, but I
wanted to be sure that we have covered everything for
the viewers. And listeners today. So so basically what you're
going to do is send links so that we can
have people who want to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Order international links. And then I will also introduce you
actually on email to Courtney so she can get the
right links from their department. And I'm also yeah, and
if anyone wants to listen to Pushing the Limits as
my podcast or on my YouTube, just look up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
That say that again so everybody gets it. We'll put
it in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, Pushing the Limits is my podcast, so it's on
all good podcast platforms. Lisatamaty dot com is my website
at Lisa Tamadi. On YouTube, you'll find my YouTube channel
where I do lots of exclusive content as well as
the you know, the podcast interviews and yeah, it's love
people to reach out. I also work with people you

(01:05:59):
know consulting and and so on and so forth. So thanks, Michelle,
I really appreciate you. You're just such a warrior for
this industry and such an amazing person, you know, doing
the work on the daily getting all this out there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Much chemistry between us is that we're so aligned in
our vision of helping people. That number one our tenacity
in fighting you know, any obstacles that come in front
of us that will never give up. You know, we
have that definitely in common, you know, just our passion
for wellness and wanting to you know, embrace the possibilities.

(01:06:40):
That's that's where I think the stewardship comes the visionary
you know, That's that's where you can really be the
best version of yourself if you take responsibility and don't
wait for someone else to do it for you, because
that's never going to work. You've got to be the
one to lead. You have to be the CEO of
your health as they.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I mean, I mean of your own health. That's my
that's my motto too, like don't outsource your health or
wealth to anybody, no one person. Be self sovereign and
everything you do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I will send you WhatsApp when we get off, I'll
send you my uh mailing address. I'm so excited to
be a part of your study here and I'll be
a really good feedback for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, that would be absolutely epic because that's what we need.
We need to do more clinical research and also just people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Individuals too, who are you very open minded who want
to you know, see change and wanted to make improvements
because they're always looking for those next uh you know,
flagships that are going to you know, be the changes
and then and they don't have to cost a bloody
fortune like so many. All Right, well, you have a
wonderful weekend and we'll be in touch and take you.

(01:07:56):
Thank you so much for taking the time and sharing
so much of out who you are and what makes
you so unique and so special. So you know, I
really love you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I think you're a rockstar to Michelle. So you
just keeping your epic mutual admiration society here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
We do have that. But that's that's what it's all
about in life, right all right, Lisa, thank you so much,
and good luck to you.