Regenerative Medicine & Longevity: Dr. Joseph Purita on Healing from the Inside Out

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Good afternoon everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
I have doctor Perita with me today and I just
want everybody to know, if you don't already know who
he is, that he is probably the granddaddy, or at
least the father of orthopedic regenerative medicine. And I met him,

(00:29):
actually I met his assistant at the Bradfest show about
a year ago, and I was just so taken by
all of that I learned about them that I made
an appointment to go see them and Folk Overtone, but
unfortunately that trip got canceled at the last minute. So

(00:49):
Doctor Pereda, I haven't met you yet, but I'm really
looking forward to meeting you in person.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well at least you got me on zoom, but in
person will be better eventually that but.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You are the subject of our most recent Talk Doctor
magazine article. All right, well let's dive in, Okay, So
I want first there's so much to talk about with you.
I mean, it's it's truly amazing how much you've accomplished.
But let's start with a little bit of history about
who you are and how you got to where you

(01:21):
are today. So just give us a thumbnail of sure.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I went to college and med school at Georgetown University,
Orthopedic Residency, University of Miami, and board certified Northropediatic Surgery
and Regenitive Medicine. I was the inaugural President of the
American Academy and Board of Regenitive Medicine. I've been practicing
it for a few decades now. I started initially would
sell you the therapies, but I've now expanded my horizon
to include many anti aging therapies because there's such an overlap,

(01:50):
you know. I mean, I saw, I had an Aha
moment once where I saw a slide that has stem
cell aging pathways. That so well, the way stem cells
age is the way we age, and just one thing
led to another.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, you know, the interesting thing about you and that
little thumbnail history is that you started out an allopathic,
traditional medical orthopedic surgeon.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Correct, and you made a addician know what the bug
was in me. Even when I was a resident, I
was doing stuff like I was doing laser dyseectomies and
I was using chymopath pain in disc when I was
still a resident, you know, way back, you know, forty
years ago whatever. So I've always had the bug, so
to speak, that knowing that, yeah, we have to push horizons,

(02:34):
we have to move the envelope.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
And what was it that got that bug to be
in your consciousness?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, I guess it's something I've always been interested in
the cutting edge, of the cutting edge, even when I
was in grammar school. I was always you know, saying,
well how about doing this and doing that? So, you know,
always liked that concept. I never was satisfied for the
status quo.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right, So that's one uniqueness about you. So so the
next step after you had your AHA moment, which I
guess was actually way back into your residency from what
you just said, were there other AHA moments that have
basically transformed you into who you are today? And what

(03:20):
were they? You know?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
So basically, way back when I was doing you know,
joint replacements and a lot of sports medicine, and somehow
or other, I came across something called PRP. There's many
years ago. Yeah, this makes I'm going to look into this,
And I said, wow, that makes all the sense in
the world because this is really how nature heals things.
You know. I have one of my slides, I say, cells,

(03:44):
not doctors heal patients. And that's so true. No matter
what proced you have, be it open heart survey or
joint replacement or anything, ultimately your cells have to heal you.
And if it's not your healing you, you're not going
to heal.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
And then I realized that and I said, well, this
is just what nature does. And then you know, I remember, listen,
people were making a lot of fun of me initially
when I started doing these things, and HIGH said, well, guys,
don't make fun of me because you just don't know
the science. Because this is how nature heals things. It
uses these growth factors, it uses pathways, and one thing
came to another, and you know a lot of that,
you know, hesitation on people, you know, kind of melted away.

(04:19):
And people that used to make fun of me now
say hey, can I come and train with you?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
So kind of you know, it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting
you say that. I was on the advisory board with
doctor Barry Sears way back when. I don't know if
you remember him, but he's yeah, so he's the Seers
diet and the Zone diet. But anyway, he told me
he was lecturing at a four am and he said
his colleagues used to laugh at him because he was

(04:45):
one of the first people to talk about inflammation and
they you know, so you know what it's like to
have resistance and to deal with, you know, the monolithic
organizations that can basically discredit you. But yet you hang
in there and you continue to fight to fight, and

(05:05):
you know because you have these facts behind you and
the science. And then at the end of the day,
people are now coming to you for advice and they,
once laughter.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Have the facts and science behind you, and that's what
always protects you. When you have those two compound comrades,
you're going to do fine.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well. I think you said that you might do an
analogy here, a metaphor that the host computer is the
are the cells the mitochondria, and the software are the
curtains and.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
The ap m K.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And that's explain that to us a little.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
So, you know, I tell people, I said, listen, think
about it. I'd like to use practical terms sometimes, I said,
when you have a problem with your computer, what do
you really do? You say, oh, well, we'll just shut
it down and reboot it. Right, That's exactly what we're
doing in Regenita Medicine. I tell patients think of your
organs and cells as the computer hard where and these
pathways in the body are the computer software. And all

(06:04):
we're trying to do is reboot those and make them
work properly, say, kind of get rid of some of
these you know, glitches, so to speak. And I think
it's a good analogy and it really is very succinct
in what we try to accomplish in regenitive medicine.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, let's dive a little deeper into that concept because
it's very important to people to understand what exactly if
you discept that. So let's start with PRP platelet rich pasma.
Why don't you define that for us and tell us
how that is one of the pathways.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Or basically, platelet rich plasma is based Platelets are in
your blood. Okay, we all know that.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
We used to always say, okay, you get a cut,
you put pressure on it, and you say, okay, let
me put pressure. Ah, good, it finally formed the clot.
And that used to be the idea that platelets form
the clot, and then we dismissed them and that was it.
So far from the truth. Now platelets are, you know,
basically a cornucopia of growth factors that really they can

(07:01):
enhance and influence healing dramatically. They can call in stem
cells to the area, they can reduce inflammation to the area.
So there's so many different things and these growth factors,
there's a multitude. We don't even know. All the growth
factors in there come from the release of the platelets
when they start releasing these growth factors. There's also you know,
people may have heard of terms called exosomes and things

(07:23):
like that. Platelets have more exosomes than any other source
of the bodies. So there are a very rich source
of exosomes. So there's so many things that we get it.
So they can influence healing dramatically. Okay, you really need them.
You need them in certain ways. You need them, you know, concentrated. Again,

(07:44):
it's the body's soup. That's what I call it, the
regenitive soup. It's a main ingredient of the regenitive soup.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
So what tell everybody what an exosomee is?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Exosome is kind of a little packet of information. Sometimes
they have something called mess in your RNA things like that.
Sometimes believe it or not, what exosomes are are there?
Mitochondria that are floating around in your circulation. Mitochondria. Now, remember,
are the energy producing parts of the cell. They're like
little factories that produce energy. And the energy in this

(08:16):
case is ATP is the body's you know, energy currency
as I call it. And that's maybe one of the
ways that we think stem cells may actually work. What
we're thinking now is that stem cells, when you put
them into a patient, they may be transferring mitochondria from
cells that are kind of you know, to I should say,

(08:36):
cells that are kind of mitochondria, and they can reevaluate
and rejuvenate them by that method.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Right right, So if it takes the platelet rich plasma
and you put it, you extract it from the body
and then reinject it, and that's what plasma paresis is correct.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, absolutely not much different. Okay, you know basic we're
taking and we're spinning it down, we're centrifuging it, we're
throwing away a lot of the red blood cells, some
of the other cells, some of the plasma, and we're
concentrating the platelets with plasmas. So it's called platelet rich plasma.
Now we use that in conjunction with other things such

(09:20):
as stem cells from fat, from bone marrow, things like that,
and we'll put it into a joint and it's again,
it's a regenitive soup that we have. Now, the other
tricks that we do and that I've really been pioneering in,
is what we call photo biomodulation. Now, what does that
mean in every day Well, basically we're using weather to

(09:41):
enhance the results of these cells. It basically makes them healthier,
makes them able to withstand stresses more. You know, a
joint is a very stressful area for a cell, and
it gives them a very survival and things like that.

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about photo biomodulation has become one of the darling things
of the energy of the functional medicine world. And there's
so much there's a lot of charlatanism about these products.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
There's so many of them available. What do you use
to discern the efficacy of a red let's just say
red blue blue light therapy if you were choosing for consumers.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
About twenty minutes ago, I just put on an article
on LinkedIn. I put a lot of things on LinkedIn,
and it was about the use of red light, basically
infrared and red light like six thirty. Now that's number
six thirty means that's the color of the light. It
basically is the wavelength. And this study showed that this
dramatically improved the health of the stem cells. Now, for

(11:48):
the actual consumer, what I would recommend is you can
look in some light panels and you want to get
a panel that's both red and infrared, and you know,
maybe doing it's a day and spent a bit of
money on it because it's worth it. You're getting this
is one of the easy treatments you can do in
your own home that really makes a difference. It can

(12:08):
make it. And the reason why you want infrared also
is because it penetrates deeper into your body. Okay, so
it's going to help you maybe with your skin, but
it's also going to help you with aging inside also,
which is very important. Now we have some other treatments
we can get into a little bit where we actually
put the entire circulatory system. We treat that with light,

(12:29):
with photo modulation, so many different things that we do here.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Well, I have I have friends with them with far oh.
I have a far infrared sauna, but my neighbor at
the street has one and they have the red light
panel right in the in the in the infrared sauna.
So that's kind of a cool thing. I think.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, you think it's a heat, Well, it's the
heat can make some difference also, but again for red
light and infrared, it's more the light wavelength. Okay, yeah, yeah. However,
let's get into another topic that's very germane to what
we're talking about. When you start talking about you know
a lay excuse me, a sauna that heats up, maybe

(13:09):
it gets to one hundred and fifty hundred and fifty
five degrees, you now get something called heat shot proteins.
Now they really that's kind of a misnomer because you
get it from heat and get it from cold. You
really get these things from stress. Now what do they
do these heat and cold shot proteins. They act as
little helicopters. They hover over a protein to make sure

(13:30):
that it folds properly into the cell. Misfolded proteins are
responsible for many different diseases, including many of the neurodegenitive diseases.
And remember, if the proteins misfold into your mitochondria, that's
like having a power plant that basically most of the
equipment is not working well and it's not going to
produce any power. So that's why you get a lot

(13:51):
of good benefits in addition to reducing inflammation and things
like that. So there's so many benefits that you get
from the infrared saunas. I mean it's a good thing
between the light, the heat, et cetera, many different things.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I do. I do mine every single day. It's like,
you know, everybody has a bit of a routine, right
when you're in this world of regenerative medicine and looking
for all the methodologies that you can do at home.
So I have a hyperbaric chamber that I purchased it,
you know, really because I had had a biking accident.

(14:24):
But I so I did it for a purpose. But
now I just use it preventatively about three times a week.
So how do you what do you think about hyperbarics
and how do you use those in your practice?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, I'll tell you how I think about it. We
have two chambers, so that tells you something. We have
a laydown chamber.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I guess that's a good answer, and.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's a hard shell, knock on wood. And then we
also have a new unit that you can actually walk
into and it seeds two people.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, that's what mine. Mine is a vertical not a horizontal.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, it's just like a little you think you're in
an airplane once you close it up. Beautiful seats and anything.
But let's go get talk a little bit about the
scientific hyperbaric oxygen.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yes, yes, I'd like to hear that.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
People, including a lot of doctors, you know, they say, well,
what it does because oxygen's under pressure, so it makes
more oxygen dissolve into the blood. Because your hemoglome is
the only thing that can carry oxygen. Once it's bound
with oxygen, that's it no more. But if you have
it under pressure, the oxygen gets into the plasma part,
which is the watery part of the blood, and it
can deliver more oxygen to the tissue, which is a

(15:28):
very important thing. But possibly what's even more important comes
from the work of He's a physician at the University
of Pennsylvania. His name is doctor Tom Thhom. He had
a very classic study. What he said is the real
mechanism of hyperbaric oxygen is that it increases nitric oxide
production in the body, which then stimulates the bone marrow

(15:50):
to release a lot more stem cells. So, for instance,
he showed over twenty treatments of hyperbaric oxygen, your bone
marrow releases eight times more stem cells than it really would.
That's dramatic. Okay, Now, a little pearl I'll send to
everybody out there there's a compound, or I should say
a supplement that we use. It's called NEO forty and

(16:11):
e O Dash number forty, which is a nice oxide stimulator.
So every time someone goes into the chamber, we give
it one of those also so we can increase the
amount of niche oxide produced. I called this forty I
called the poor man's hyperbaric chamber because it's producing that.
So it's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, I had Nason brian As.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I don't know if you know very well, yes.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, sob his Lazenger. I take one every single day.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
It's very similar to NEO forty. I mean, you know,
NEO forty is actually the one that was originally made.
That's the one that University of Texas did all the
research on with Rod who won the Nobel Prize in it,
and that was what they basically the Human Company, which
is the name of the company, produces. It has the
patent from the universe. You have Texas there you want.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, so what I don't know if you believe in
those little strips, but.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's true, that's absolutely true, no question.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
So I took you know, I take them and I
tell everybody, you know, if you're taking the nitric oxide,
be sure. You just test yourself on the strip so
you see what's happening. And I remember one of the
shows I did it and it was kind of mid range.
Then I started taking his product and the next time
I did it was off the charts.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, no, absolutely. It another quick little story about you know,
nitric oxide. Anytime I travel overseas, that's one of my
go to things. Six to eight pills plus. I use
a little watch that kind of shines light on my
radio and all our arteries, and I get no jet leg.
I mean I literally flew nineteen hours from Chennai, India

(17:49):
back to folk were Ton last week and I came
right to my office and saw patients all day without
a jet leg.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Is that little watch one that you can share with
us what it is.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's called a thoroughllumine. I don't have one here, but
I work with them. Also. It's it does photo modulation
on your radio and owner artery. It doesn't tell the time,
it just uh, I mean, this is an old one
type like this is what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Unfortunate. This one I don't think is operational, but it
does work and it works very well.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah. So doctor do you know Bob Weber, Robert Weber?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I know doctor Webber very well, yes.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yes, so he sent me his Yeah, it's called Eco something.
It's a it's there. It's one of their newer because
there tend to be more of a medical products company,
but they have now a consumer division. So is that
the same? Is that similar?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
That this is different? This hasn't This is I'm going
to not be honest with you. It's a little more
powerful and it's one you have. Yeah, it is the thoroughllumine.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's called Okay, I'm going to put that in the
show notes so people know. And then Neo neil Ford.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
M A N n uh the the great.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, okay. So what do you think about N A
D and and doing N A D as an IV therapy.
There seems to be a lot of controversy about whether
or not it's afflicacious to use it as an You
know that it's too big a molecule to be absorbed orally,
but that I V is possible, but that that that

(19:22):
it then disappears very quickly. So what's your thought about.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Your I'm not convinced you can take an A D orally.
Now some people have just sent me some liposomal version
of it. We'll see, yeah, quick silver, because I know
what you have to do. And even N m N,
you know, which is an oral supplement, is not getting
the cell either. What gets in the cell is n R.

(19:47):
Now there are some NMN that can get into certain cells. Okay, interesting,
So really the best thing to do if you're taking
OILY is to take n R and n m N.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
What is what is NR? Doctor?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Period of ten of mine?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Righte? Oh? Okay, so that's the original form, right.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
And then NMN is the second STEPNAD is a third.
I just designed a supplement that has a number of
different compounds in it, of which it has NR and NMN.
So that's good. But I still think the gold standard
to me is intravenous NAD.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Okay, So what about the controversy today that it doesn't
last half hour later or whatever your body has, you know,
as unused it whatever little bit it can get from it,
but it isn't going.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
To be I think it gets absorbed. It may take
a little time.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
We have some tricks that we do here though, that
make it a lot easier. Okay, First of all, we
give the patient TMG, trimethyl glysine methylating agent that makes
the NAD go down easier. Secondly, which is totally unique
to us, we photo activate our NAD with a violet
light that changes the molecule shape a little bit and

(20:57):
it kicks an electron up and it makes it much
eas to get into the cell, so we have much
less symptomatology and the other crazy thing. But it does work,
and I suggest anybody out there try it. When you're
doing intravenous and ad is sip on coffee at the
same time. Why will dramatically be able to increase the
speed it takes to do the NAD?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Why is that.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Not exactly sure? We think that it has something to
do with changing the molecule at bit, with the caffeine
probably and things like that. So it works. I can
tell you that just I suggest you try it.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
But what what about the fact that when you ce
an nat I V you get really nauseous?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
And what is the reason that whole point because you're
basically getting like a methyl reaction. So my whole point
is you take the TMG, you basically photoactivate it, and
you sip on the coffee and you're going to get
very little of those symptoms.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Wow, we've increased it, I should say, we've increased the
time it takes or decreased the time by about seventy
percent with those couple of.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
An example like this, doctor Purider, how did you come
about knowing, you know, discovering this?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
What was the Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good,
as you wore saying, so again, I'm always interested in photobiomodulation.
I came up with a with a instrument called the
pure light that we used to photo modulate any of
our biologics that go into a joint or whatever. And
then I started thinking, you know, I wonder if this
would work for some IVY compounds because I know, for instance,

(22:31):
methylene blue if you're familiar with that, of course, get
intravenous definitely blue, then go on a red light bed
because it really makes it work better. So so holp
out if we photo activated ahead of time and behold,
So what we do now is we get our methylene
blue from the compounding pharmacy, we put it in see
c syringe, put it in the red light for about

(22:54):
three and a half minutes at a certain frequency, and
lo and behold. Then we give it intervenously and boila,
we've had to activated methlene blue before it even goes
into the patient. And then I started experimenting and looking around.
We started doing it again with N A D and
we discovered, hey, this is really affecting the patients in
a very positive way. They were able to toperate this
in A D a lot easier. And then we've done

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it with Kirk Kerman and a couple of other things.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
So if we wanted to get your product, because not
everybody can do the I VS, but they want the
NAD and I've I've used the Quicksilver Scientific lipisomal, But
I don't think I'm getting I don't know, I can't.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I'm still not convinced that.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
How do we know your product that you just developed
with the N n R and the M and.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Okay, that's that's going to be from the Human Company.
And uh, what I like about that is, you know,
I'm addressing a lot of different things when I get
concerned about you know, there's a lot of clinics out
there that don't look at the whole picture. You know,
when you're giving an A D to a patient, you know,
are you for me with sinessen cells?

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Of course? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well realize now.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
When you see boby cells, right, So when.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
You're giving a d ED, you're actually making those zombie
cells a little healthier, which is not necessarily a good thing.
You need some zombie cells. So we make we always
give Cursington at the end of our NAD because that
will help get rid of some of these zombie cells.
It'll keep them at bay, not make them too healthy.
But the formula that I've made, which is going to

(24:25):
be a powder that you can mix with water, we
have some cursed tin. We have some epigen I think
it's called which there's a there's a certain type of
cells as we get older, it is a huge consumer
of NAD. It's called a C thirty eight, Yes, and
that consumes NAD like crazy. And if those cells at bay,
you're going to be able to get much more NAD

(24:46):
that your body can use. Remember there's an old saying
that every twenty years of life you're an a D
level goes down fifty percent.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I know that's scary, isn't it very much? So So
so you look at David Sinclair's research and Ruz veratrol,
and then so how do you synchronize your thinking with
what you what he's been doing at Harvard for all years.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I think he's on the mark for most for the
most part. The only thing I disagree with him a
bit about rasveratol. I think stillben stilled with a P
is a better alternative because it's much more bioavailable. And
what is that It's called stiben. But the people, oh,
I know what that is. Yeah. However, what we have
in our office here for those that are interested, is
we have intravenous resveratol, which you know in Indie system.

(25:31):
So we're always kind of pushing the envelope looking for
these odd oddities that we know can make a difference.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well, didn't the SDA ban na D at one point
from IVS?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
They may have, I'm not sure. I'm not aware of.
I know they were trying to ban NMN because they
we got some studies that say it's going to be
a drug, so you can no longer put it as
a supplement. I don't know where that's ended up.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I don't know what's happened to Okay, So this is
so fascinating and I want to be sure, we cover
a lot of ground. Can you tell us those two
products that we can get at your want to? I
want to have that in the show notes. I want
to be sure I write it down. The two products
you just mentioned we can get from you.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, I'm not sure which one we mentioned.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
A lot of the one with the well the oral
and a d with the n M.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
And that's in the process right now being made. I
expect it should be. It's by the company Human and
it should be right in another yeah, and hopefully in
another two or three months. You know, they're just doing
the final stages of it now.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
And should people be taking question anyway, just as an
oral supplement, just because of the what it does.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
For the just the only thing I don't like about Kursington,
I don't like you to take it continuously. I think
to take it and the kind of give yourself a
break is superb. Here's the other interesting thing about Cursington.
You know, you know a lot of people may take
a Myers cocktail drip, which yes, zincing it. Yeah. The
problem with that tho is zinc has trouble getting into

(27:01):
the cell. It has trouble penetrating the membrane. Right, But
herse tin can act as a chaperone and get it
right into that cell and it's going to do your
good for your immune system.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
So okay. So is that so? Orally, if you're taking curstin,
you should take zinc as well, because.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
You should take zinc anyway, every day.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I take zinc every day, but I don't have.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
You're having difficulty getting it into the cell. Yeah, ring easy,
use a little person in with it, and you're going
to get that good debt.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I mean, you're bringing up something that I think is
really problematic in the supplement world, and that is you
could be taking all these supplements, when are you absorbing them?
And is your body, you know, toxicity causing that or
the inflammation causing that. So you know, how do you,
like you said, you take a handful of supplements, how

(27:48):
do you ensure that those supplements are getting to the
cells where they need to be?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
You know, listen, I'm hoping that you know. The companies
I'm using are very reputable companies. I mean, I really
vetted them out and I think they're good. I mean,
I don't know for sure. I've not done any testing,
although I mean I've done an occasional test here and it.
For instance, I did a test of my na D
once intertellular na D and the aim as that of
a teenager. So I said, well, I'm doing something right,

(28:15):
So I'm worry So I think they're working. I mean,
you must be careful and you don't always go for
the cheapest price in supplements. You know, you have suitable companies.
That's the real key here, right.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I tell everyone to go to Full Script and you
know they have some of the very best. So what
is just if you don't mind sharing? What are some
of the brand names? Are the ones that you know what?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I like a lot, and I think they're very reputable
as Thorn Research, very reputable. And I use Human And
there's a newer company that I like. It's called Codage
C O D E A G E. They have some.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, I've been using them.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
What I like about I.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Thought it was, yeah, they have a you're listening to
a product.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Have you tried that's going to That's to me one
of the go to supplements, okay, because of the fact
that it does mitophagi and mitogenesis that is, and I
take that supplement every day without fail. Weekend. I give
myself a break. I don't take any supplements all. The
only thing I take seven days a week is NEO forty,

(29:24):
the nitric oxide stimulator. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, okay, so you and I are doing very much
the same thing. So what about the well and also
Kodiaks of their competitors Timeline right, which you know that
you're a listening a They're They're good. They're very expensive.
I mean, I just yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
And I'm not sure if it's worth it, but I
don't know. I haven't used their product much.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I bought the powder and the gummies and the capsules.
I bought all three. So that was a big investment.
But it will last me for a few months.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, definitely, but it's a good Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So if if someone was coming to your clinic, so
let's just go let me backtrack. You have a clinic
in Boca Ratone. That the one that I was going
to come to and call pure form p U R
F O r M.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
You are the chief medical officer. You also, do you
still have your Cayman Island.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I still go to an Islands. Yeah. As a matter
of fact, I was talking to my partner there today,
So yes, I'm still involved with that, and.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
You also have one in Istanbul and that you work Istambul,
I visit.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's a clinic that we set up Ebo two on
and I came to you know, they invited me to go,
So I went and I gave them some pointers on
some stuff that I thought would work even better for them.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Okay, okay. So it's called one health right if people
are I believe so great, Okay, okay. But it's both
basically pure form where we're going to dive in right now.
So okay, So let's just take a hypothetical patient that
walks in your door and you've never treated that patient.
But patients a weekend warrior, not a not a professional athlete,

(31:04):
but has had their share of injuries, but they're very
pro health and they're so they're not sick. They're just
wanting to stay well and age gracefully. So if you
were designing a program for someone like that, which is
I think more of the type of viewer that I
have on my podcast, That's why I'm using that as

(31:26):
the prototype. So what would happen? What would be the
treatment protocols that if this person wanted to spend a
day with you.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
To start out, well, you know, obviously we'd have to
examine them and go over their history and everything. But
let's say we've done that and they say, look, I'm
just basically wanting to do stuff for general well being.
I want to increase my health span. Yes, they're okay, fine,
So what I typically recommend for those people right off
the bat, what I say to myself, what can I
give this patient the biggest bang for his buck? So

(32:00):
that to me is EBO two extra oxygenation and ozonation.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Right, say that again because people need to know that
extra coial.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Blood, oxygenation and ozonation e b O two.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
So that's why it's a two, because it's oxygenation and oceanation.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Okay, So it was basically in a nutshell, you have
one IV that leaves the arm that the bud's being
pulled by a pump. The blood then enters a dialysis
filter that's flipped upside down, where the blood enters the
bottom yas enters the top. No no ozone ever enters
the body, really, but the ozone reacts with the blood

(32:39):
and it gets converted to oxygen and a number of
other compounds. Another compound that gets converted to believe it
or not, is hydrogen peroxide, which is momentarily it doesn't
last that long, but it's a very potent stimulator of
our immune system. Another thing that I very much like
about e b O two is it will stimulate something
called the NRF two path, which is the major pathway

(33:01):
in your body that reduces inflammation. This is what we
call a transcription factor. What does that mean in every
day English? Well, a transcription factor is kind of a
compound of protein that hangs out in the cytoplasm, let's say,
and given a certain single it then travels into the
nucleus and then goes to the genes and it tells
them to start transcribing things. It basically makes them make

(33:23):
certain compounds. In this case, it makes compounds to reduce
inflammation in our body. So that's why I like that.
But the other nice thing about the ozone a couple things.
The ozone itself can really attack viruses and molds. It
can damage their cell membranes, leaving their RNA and DNA exposed.
And next thing, you know, those things that are not
going to be long on this earth. And the blood

(33:45):
goes into a hema lumine machine which is an apparatus
that subjects to blood to six different color lights red, infra, red, blue, green, ultraviolet,
a ultraviolet c the ultraviolet sea can really finish off
any other organisms that may be in your blood and
then the blood goes back via the other arm. So
the process once the ivs are in, takes about forty
five minutes, and it's something that we find works exceptionally well.

(34:10):
It can really get rid of a lot of inflammation
in the body, diminish viral loads, it gets rid of
a lot of microtoxins, forever chemicals, you know, hard metals
and things like that, heavy metals, I should say, so
a very good thing to do.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
So how do you compare that to plasma for esis?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
All right, so very interesting question and a good question.
So EBO two is more like an oil filtration system,
like the oil filter in your car filters the oil
a lot of toxins. Plasma oresis is the oil change.
So what we're doing in that case is we're taking
maybe two to three liters of plasma and literally throwing

(34:49):
away and we're replacing it with albumin. Now, let me
just say a little bit about bumin, because some patients
get a bit upset about it. Albumin is a product
made from blood, but it's sterile eyes and pasteurized, so
there are zero organisms in it, so you don't have
to worry that you're going to maybe get an infection
from a virus or something like that. Nope, no, none
of those things to worry about.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Okay, So what happens then? What's the difference between Ebo
two and the plasma faresis at the end result, I
mean one.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I think they compliment each other together. They really do
compliment each other because EBO two can really get rid
of a lot of these toxins and mold and things
like that, whereas the Plaza paresis is just basically changing things.
It's not necessarily stimulating pathways like EBO two does. Ebo
two is more of a complicated process when all said

(35:41):
and done, because they're stimulating a number of different pathways.
Plasmporesis is basically pretty you know, straightforward. It's just removing
some of the plasma and throwing it away and replacing
with albumin.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Why is it that people say when they take the
plasma faresis they get a white foam when they're what
what is that is? That is that toxicity.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I think you mean EBO two. That's where you get.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Oh maybe see EBO two. Okay, I just remember reading
that one.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
So those are some of the waste products in there,
and they're basically a number of different things. We've sent
them to a company. The fluid that we take out
you'll see if it's a little canister and we've analyzed it.
It's a lot of microtoxins, forever chemicals, all sorts of
things like that that we're getting out of there.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
So it's like when people go into those foot baths
and the water turns black.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
That I don't know how that works, but I've seen
I was kind of impressed.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, I mean I've tried it once, and I mean
everybody's the water turns black.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
So I don't I don't know the mechanism. I mean,
I'm trying to figure that.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I don't scientifically right, right, So okay, So so those
are the two things you would recommend if someone walks
in your door that's healthy and.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Not necessarily pleasant. I mean, you know, plaster reis is
a little more money. I mean, right off the bat,
i'd recommend the e B two. Now, what I should
mention to you also is we have a newer technique
with that. Now, once we do the EBO two, we
usually encourage the patient as soon as that's done to
then do an intravenous of phosphatidyl coline because remember now

(37:13):
a lot of your health is determined by cell membrane. Right,
I want to do is you know, the the EBO
two could affect the cell memorane so much so we
want to immediately repair it. But also when you're giving
phospatityle coline, it has a tendency to drive out even
more of the toxins, so that's cool part. And then
we might give them some methylene blue. Depending on you
know their status, we might give them an AD and

(37:35):
things like that. So that's typically the first thing I
would do. And you always want to do an EBO
two first rather than plasmaphoresis. The plastporesis should be done
a few days after the EBO two.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I got it. So basically the IV I mean, the
EBO two basically an oil change and then you're adding
in the good nutrients to to.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
The oil filtration fil That's what meant. But we're getting
a lot of rid of that and then the plaster
races of the oil change.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
That's I'm sorry I missed. Yeah, so okay, But but
the id reintroduce or introduces the good nutrients to replace
what exactly filtration has.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Just removed, exactly right. You know, we we use a
lot of poster title colin here. You know, the actual
other name for the kind of the common name is
plac x because it does seem to help get rid
of plaque and heavy metals and things like that, and
the regimen.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Do you take foster title Coling Gaily as our journey?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Well, you know, I've been thinking about it and quite honestly,
I just haven't gotten around to do it. But probably
not a bad idea to take it.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, do you take it along with poster title? If
you were going to take it, would you do it
with phosphor titled Serene? And you know, obviously for the brain,
the cognitive I think it's.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I think you're probably, if you're going to do it,
to do both because they're very intimately related to the membrane.
I I did a lecture on the cell membrane a
couple of months ago in Las Vegas, and I realized
how important it is. It's probably what really determines our
health more than anything else because it allows things getting
in or getting out of the cell. And it's your
mitochondria and memraines.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
And does it cross the blood rain barrier easily? Uh,
if you have okay, And that way you could get
from thorn research, right, I think.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
An oral version. We get ours from a compounding pharmacy
for the intravenous version of it.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Okay, But if you can't get to do an IV
and you want to take it.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
During again, it's going to be a matter of the
pharma kinetics. How much you're going to absorb. You'll absorb some.
It will be as much as of course not, but
it's some is better than none.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
So what's your thinking about the gut grain barrier and
how are you affecting those two areas, those two organs
of the body to to improve both gut function and
brain function.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Well, I mean, obviously the gut I think is the
king of everything. I mean, it really determines your health, okay,
And so it's so important that we have some tricks
that we do here. You know, one of the things
we do is we do a lot of hydrogen gas
and we do hydrogen water where we'll bubble the hydrogen
gas in the water and have patients drink it immediately.
That seems that have very beneficial effects on your gut bacteria.

(40:26):
I think two can affect the gut bacteria in a
very beneficial way. Also because it get it helps reduce inflammation.
So anything where you're basically reducing inflammation, I think by
and large is going to help your gut.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah. So the the other thing that you know, we
obviously have to address with the gut our digestive enzymes
and probiotics and probiotics are such a unique every day Yeah, however,
how do how do you know you're getting them into
the coalon where they belong?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I'm assuming I'm hoping, you know, kind of praying, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
And do you do pre pre pro and post by
on its or do.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
You just I just do the one probiotic and that's it.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I mean, what's the one? What's the one you like?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I forgot the name of it. I'm okay, I don't
know to remember the name. But actually I think I
border in Costco of all plasses, but I think it's
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Well, I use a pendulum, the Pendulum O Company from
San Francisco. They have they have a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Maybe it I know it's you know a lot of Listen.
I can only take so many things. I'm taking about
fifteen to twenty things ready, So yeah, me.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Too, Me too. I know. That's why I try to
stagger them, because you can't take everything every day. You know,
it's too much.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I made I made a new rule with myself. On weekends,
I'm off all supplements except NEO forty. Yeah, I don't
take anything.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Right. So let's talk about tell ameres for a moment,
because tell amrase and telomeres are really another hot topic
today with DNA methylation and stem cells. And I don't
think people really understand what a telomere does. And Bill
Andrews was on my podcast and oh, I've had several
people who are dealing with telomeres, but I know you

(42:15):
are as well. So why don't you tell us what
your attitude and philosophy is first? Tell us what telomeres are.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
First of all, Bill's a good, very good friend of mine.
We had a nice little meeting in Las Vegas a
couple months ago. But anyway, tell me a DNA. Okay,
every time your cell divides, it loses a little snippet
of DNA until it gets those critical length where then
the cell is not going to divide anymore. Right now,
we think if we can make telomeres go back in length,

(42:45):
that that probably is reversing aging, which I suspect is
very true. Now, interestingly enough, there's a compound called TeleMe RaSE,
which is an enzyme can put this back, but it's
very difficult cult to get to stimulate that. Now we
know certain cells in our body do make it. One

(43:05):
cell is your reproductive cells. That's why a man can
be seventy five eighty years old and still follow a child. Yeah,
because his DNA for those at least those reproductive cells
as sty'll still pristine. But you know some controversy about telemeraates.
Some people say, yeah, but cancer cells make thelemerase that
makes him immortal. I'm not going to buy that thing.

(43:26):
So how can we make telmeraate? How can we make
the telomeres grow longer? A couple of studies. There's a
good study from the Israelis on hyperbaric oxygen. They were
showing us Is. They said, okay, look go in there
for about an hour an hour and a half, and
every fifteen minutes, take your mask off and just breathe
regular you know, an oxygen, and then put your back on.

(43:49):
And that basically seemed to increase the length of the
telomeres of the immune system. That's what we're really interested in,
the immune system. You're only as young or old is
your immune system send that memory. Your immune system just
doesn't fight bacteria, it fights cancers and all kinds of
bad things for you. So that's a very good study

(44:09):
with a lot of good science there. Now another interesting
thing that can be helping your telomeres is intermittent hypoxia therapy.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I was just going to ask you about that.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
One of my favorite things to do here. So basically,
you know, we have a hypoxia machine where I put
a mask on, I'm sitting in a chair relaxing, and
basically it starts varying my oxygen concentration. It goes from
nine percent to forty percent, and it kind of keeps
bouncing around. Again. It's tricking my body to think, hey,
there's something going on here, because your oxygen is all

(44:42):
of a sudden switching around. It puts certain pathways into
the them you more or less and gets some going.
So I think that's also and that's intermittent hypoxia is
probably one of the most potent stimulators of our mitochondria
that we have. So maybe a good way to kind
of think about intimate hypoxyd It's like training at altitude.

(45:05):
You know, I'll get myself up to where I can
be like I'm at twenty two to twenty three thousand
feet kind of sitting in a chair. I don't have
to even exercise, and it's making my mitochondria better, it's
making more of them, et cetera. So I like that
technique a lot. And and you know, it's interesting. I
was giving a lecture I actually earlier today. I had
to go down to a place Hollywood, Florida, and someone says, yeah,

(45:27):
but can't you do the same thing by holding your breath.
You can't do that because you really can't get intimate
and hypoxia therapy to work until your blood oxygen goes
below ninety You know, most people, when you have a
blood oxygen you register, you look at it, it's like
between ninety six to ninety nine percent.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Right, that's remind us you.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Have to be below ninety for it to have any effects.
So it's almost difficult, almost impossible to do that when
you're just holding your breath.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
So is that a machine that you're using.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Your machine that varies the oxygen concentration?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Okay? And so do you also have a molecular hydrogen machine.
I know you said you were using.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
It with the hydrogen machine that breaks down the hydrogen.
It's under water, I should say, into hydrogen and oxygen.
What I like about that is we'll have the patients
kind of just sitting there. They have a canular on
and they're getting an IV of ANAD.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Or something like that.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
We're doing the one two punch, so to speak. The
reason I like hydrogen so much is the following. Most
of your free radicals are made in your mitochondria. That's
where the action is, so to speak. And most of
the antioxidants that we like to use, like vitamin SEE
and things like that, the molecule is too big to
get into the mitochondria. I yes, however, has no problem

(46:39):
getting in there, so it can really be a very
potent anti inflammatory antioxidant.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And at all the shows now there's so many of
these machines. I use the hue like, I don't know, well,
Mitch Ghan, I know, you know, doctor Dan, that's the
kind we have. Okay, good, Yeah, that's the one I
like the best. Now they have, you know, one that's
more for consumers. You can buy it, you set it
up in your home. But the big one, the big

(47:06):
big daddy that they bring to the show. That's always
fun to go.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
That is a good thing to do. And then you know,
there's hydrogen water. You know, there's a lot of bottles now.
I mean, I've looked into that and I'm probably going
to buy one. I think you've got to spend a
little bit of money and it, you know, maybe one
hundred and fifty dollars or so. But how do you
water have some benefits because you know it can affect
you got bacteria. I think if if you're going to
go and buy hydrogen water in the store, forget it,
idron is going to all dissipate. But if you make

(47:31):
in there and then you just drink it right away,
I think it's gonna beneficial for you.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Well, you know, the the company one of my sponsors
is the well with Quicksilver Scientific is Water and Wellness,
and they have a both companies sell a hydrogen tablet
so you just stick you put it in the morning,
you put it in your water or in your whatever
you're drinking. Uh, and that gives you the hydrogen.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
A hit science, that's all I can Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, Well they've done a lot of research on that
little tablet, so that's what I'm very convenient to use
that with it.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I'm just I'm a little leary because hydrogen is such
a liable thing. It just kind of, you know, evaporates
away real quick.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I see. So all right, so tell us about intermittent
fasting and autophagy and m tour and why they are
so valuable.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
All right, So intermittent hypot excuse me. Intermittent fasting is
what I do five days a week. I do about
eighteen hours. I did too, you know. I think it's
so important because it does do what you call autophagi,
where it basically the body kind of patrols and gets
rid of cells that are disease and things like that.
It helps us get rid of that. I think it
also helps you control your glucose better and things like that,

(48:45):
and that's probably something we can talk about and just
a little bit. And so I'm a big fan of it.
I think it really is important for people to do.
Now as far as M tour tour is a pathway, now,
it's interest thing. M tour actually increases cell division and
things like that. So M tour is not necessarily something

(49:06):
for anti aging because the more you increase your cell division,
the faster you're aging.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
That's why they is that apoptosis when they have the
cell turnover or is that not? Is that difference in cell.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Division increases that, you know, it increases cell turnover, so
you sometimes block that. And you have something called rapamycin compound,
you know, Mycen's an interesting compound was discovered in Easter Island.
Initially it was used for organ rejection and you found, hey,
it has this side effect that it increases the M
you know, diminishes the M tour a bit. So you know,

(49:41):
I think that's important. There's some controversy there. Some people say, well,
well have it. Maybe it may dispose predispose you to
diabetes or something that depends maybe on the on the
on the dosage. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Okay, would you before we go further, could you just
tell everybody what M tour stands for.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Mechanism, you know, mechanism of that excuse me of the pathway.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, so it's mechanism terrain, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Of rapidmcin rep is a blocker of that, remember now, Yeah,
just like IGF one human growth hormone, people think that's
good for antiagent. Yeah, exactly. What it exactly does is
speeds up your agent. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
And so it's interesting because on the lab core blood chests,
when you're trying to get your level of your growth hormone,
they only can test it with IGF one.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Well that's valid, okay. I g F one is the
active form of it. Yes, but again, you know it's good.
I mean, it'll make your bone stronger, it'll make your
muscles bigger, but increase the cell division. You know, you're
tellmeres are going to get shorter. So it's not a
good thing necessarily.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
So tell us about the AI and now that's affecting
your practice in healthcare.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Well, you know, it's interesting. I was the first. I'm
the oldest in the office by far, but yet I
was the first one that kind of discovered AI, and
I came in too. All the younger people. You're going
to have to know this stuff. It's going to be
very important. We're going to use it. More and more
and I started using it. I started using I think
chat GPTO, and then I went to Claude. Now my
go to is perplexity. The reason I didn't like chat

(51:28):
gpt is because it was making up references. I said, wait,
I know that's not right, and I asked it and
I said, oh, I'm sorry, You're right. I just happened
to make it up. Whereas perplexity is very specific. It'll
give you a reference that you can look up online
and verify what it says. I really like that a lot,

(51:48):
and I use it all the time. I mean, if
I want to check something, Hey, what about if I
do A and B what happens and it gives me
some ideas and then But you have to basically use
it as a tool. It's not just to take the
place of a physician. It's an adjunct to the physician.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Isn't it just fascinating that you can ask a question
and a second, a nano second later, you have this big,
long answer. Whether it's accurate or not. That's a good
you know, obviously a good basic question.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
It'll be accurate.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Okay, I'm going to do that. Is that a free one?
Like chat jimt you can.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Get a free version. And I was using a free
version for quite some time and then I said, wait
a minute. I went to the to the paid version.
I think was like two hundred dollars for the whole year.
Way way better though, because then there's so many more
tools with it. But start with the free version, really
get comfortable with it. Make sure go from there.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
So where do you see, Let's let's let's project into
the next five years. Where do you see longevity regenerative
medicine five years from now.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I think it'll be something that the next five years
will be more progress than we've made in the last
fifty years, and probably in the next year too. I
think it's it's mind boggling as to what we're going
to be able to do with this. It's just because
it takes out all the scut work. It's just basically
gives us the essence if you know how to use
it and basically use it to design protocols and things

(53:14):
like that, and and it gives you some of the pitfalls,
you know, it just saves you, I think a lot
of time. It's going to save a lot of research
time mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
And you're you're at the forefront. Uh. Is Pure Forum
ever going to expand to other places or is it.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
The ideas? Yes, we're going to. I mean in some
ways we've expanded by you know, setting up people for
EBO too, But I think the whole concept that we're
going to have is going to be expanded.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yes, so the EBO too, like you can I can
do it here at Juyson and.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Mill Valley, and you have a number of people that yeah,
I know, we've set up a couple of people.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, So that that's how you're expanding it by having
the other doctors been training.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Ask me about other things protocols, and I start giving
them some protocols and then they want to ask me
now about as a for reesist, I'm going to start
giving them protocol Next thing, you know, they're going to say, okay,
look we'll make you a little satellite or something.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
There you go, got it? All right? Well, you've been
very generous in offering our viewers to uh have a
free console with you or one of your colleagues.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yes, we do a lot of telehealth, so that's not
a problem.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, and your are you licensed to be able to
do that? In other states.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Well, actually, believe it or not, I have a California
license also.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Oh cool, Well that's where I am.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I have a California license and have a Florida license.
But I mean, you know, I have a license in
the Caymans. I mean, I don't know what the laws
are in other states. I mean, I don't know if
there's a problem doing telehealth, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Well I wasn't going to get into the political part,
but I just that's so good to know that you
have California. Well, we need we need you to set
up a pure Formance in California. That would be great.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
You never know, things can happen, of course.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Okay, So if people use the ageless code and they
call this number, which we'll put in the show notes,
uh five six one three six eight one eight eight zero,
that's the number for pure Form.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Health, and then you wherever you need to be.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah, and then you have an email p U r
f O r M health dot com. So that's it,
and just use the ageless code and you'll be able
to get a free console. Hopefully it would be with you,
doctor Purrita. That's what I would want.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
To me, And i'mn't happy to do. It doesn't take
me that long.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh that's so lovely. Well, thank you so much, and
I really appreciate you've taken the time today to share.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Much enjoyed this.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well we will we will be together hopefully at a
four m if you're going to be there in December.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Should be. I'm actually going to do something for a
form in Geneva. I'm giving a talk.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Oh cool. I think you know doctor Golden, doctor Goldman,
I've known yeah, you know him very well.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I've known him, both of him very well.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yes, yeah, and I've known him for many, many years.
And he and I are about to go on an
advisory board together for helping real estate agents realtors looking
for wellness. And I'm a developer by background. I'm not
a real estate agent, but I certainly know real estate
so I've been to be on their advisory boards. But

(56:33):
doctor Goldman will be as well, and of course he
brings such an incredible wealth of experiences.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
The guy, good guy. Yeah, all right, Well, thank you
very much, and thank you so much. And again it's
an honor, thank you. Okay,

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