February 17, 2025 • 58 mins
Dr. John E. Lewis has spent most of his career developing a unique approach as someone who “walks the walk” through all of his combined professional and personal experiences to attaining optimal health through nutrition, dietary supplements, and exercise. Throughout his research career, he has evaluated many different nutritional approaches to enhancing well-being, particularly for brain health, immune function, and counteracting aging. He can separate fact from fiction regarding how to utilize nutrition and dietary supplements to help you achieve and maintain optimal health. If you need a trusted source of information, products, and services, then look no further than Dr. Lewis and how he can help you achieve your health-related goals.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
My guest today is someone that I've been talking to
for many, many months, and he was recommended to me
by one of my very favorite podcast hosts, and her
name is Lisa to tom Ty, and she has a
podcast called Pushing the Limits. So whenever Lisa calls me
or texts me and says there's somebody I want you
(00:31):
to meet, I listen. And this was the case with
doctor John Lewis. So we had a chat a few
months ago and now I'm very excited to have him
here so today, So welcome doctor Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thank you, Michelle for having me. It's my pleasure to
be here.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So well, congratulations on your new baby.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, that's exciting. No sleep though, huh.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No sleep, I'd be sleeping right now otherwise already.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, yes, Well, I was looking back at our notes
and then I've been taking your supplement. So I'm going
to talk about those in a moment because I'm so
excited to tell you my feedback on them. But I
wanted to start off by just asking you to give
us a little summary of how you got to where
you are today. The journey that you've taken. I know
(01:19):
you were very big in exercise and fitness, and just
tell us what were some of the most memorable steps
that have gotten you to be the human giant that
you are today.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I would say the very first step was my grandfather
pitching baseball to me in the backyard when I was
probably three or four years old, and it put me
on a track of playing sports most of my childhood,
and in my teen years I played pretty much anything
with the ball other than soccer. And then after all
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of that ended in high school and college, I got
into drug free competitive bodybuilding and I did that for
a few years, and I realized pretty quickly I was
not going to make a living as a bodybuilder. As
I mentioned, I was drug free, so I wasn't willing
to take the risk of using drugs and I didn't
think i'd make much money doing it anyway, So that
(02:16):
phase didn't last too long. But what that phase of
my life did accomplish was that it changed my outlook
or my perspective on nutrition, going from most I think
most Americans look at food as just for taste, not
really considering the impact on health. So it totally changed
my perspective on diet and food and how food, just
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like exercise and physical activity, affects the body, but it
still didn't really again it was more of a physical
sports performance perspective as opposed to a health performance. But
then a number of years later, after I got out
of bodybuilding, as I was beginning my research career, I
met a couple of people who introduced me to their
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journeys on polysachrides. And at that point in my life,
I didn't really have any great appreciation for sacharides other
than being a source of fuel for the cells. That
was really all I had learned about them in school,
and I didn't really even really consider anything else beyond that.
But meeting doctor Reg McDaniel and Barbara Kimley to people
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who again had profound journeys in their own lives, Doctor
Redge on the Alavera side and Barbara on the Rice
friend's side, just completely changed my perspective. And so I
think a big reason of why I'm sitting here talking
to you today and why I get interviewed by other
people is because it changed not only my career but
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my life in the sense of appreciating how these two plants,
rice and alavera provide these nutrients that are so beneficial
for humankind, and so we ended up conducting Here we
are close to twenty years later after meeting doctor reg
and Barbara. Here we are my colleagues, and I've conducted
all this research. I'm no longer in academics full time,
(04:06):
but we conducted all this research that led to the
product that I'm now selling today as a businessman. And
so I've just had an incredible opportunity of, as the
Beatles said, being on this long and winding road, of
this journey of nutrition and specifically in polysachrides, and of
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course still exercise and physical act activity being a very
important part of who I am and what I do,
but really more focused on the nutrition side and even
more specifically the polysachrides and how I'm educating people about
these sacharides that you know again, I mean when you
think of alvera, most people only think of alvera for
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a topical solution. They don't even have a clue what
taking these polysacrides from alvera can do for them health wise.
And so the research we conducted in Alzheimer's multiple sclero HIV,
non alcoholic fatty liver disease. We've published some just incredible
findings from all of this work, and so here I
am today talking to you about this work and our
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research and polysachrides in my mission.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And you've been talking for twenty years to a lot
of people. You've had one hundred and eighty scientific studies, right,
So that gives you a lot of meat on the bone.
But I think we should start at the basic vocabulary.
Let's define what a polysachride is for our viewers and listeners.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
If you don't mind, absolutely, it's a very important place
to start. So first of all, saccharide, sugar, carbohydrate. Generally speaking,
those are synonyms. And we as Americans, for the last
at least half century, have been so conditioned to think
every time we hear the word sugar it only means
one thing bad. There's no possibility that you could take sugar.
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You could eat sugar and it would be good for you.
But what people need to understand is there are four
types of sugars that occur in mother nature. You have monosaccharides, disacharides, oligosacharides,
and polysaccharides. And I mentioned those in order of increasing complexity.
So a monosaccharide, a simple sugar like high fructose corn
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syrup is generally speaking not good for you if you're
overloading yourself on high froctose corn syrup. Take that all
the way to the end. Of polysacharides that I mentioned
that come from Alvara and rice brand. These are complex sugars.
Look at the root of the word polymini sacharide sugar.
These are hundreds of glucose units attached together by very
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sophisticated glycosidic bonds. They have incredible structure to them. They
have more density of information than amino acids, fatty acids, certainly, vitamins,
and minerals. So these are the most complex structures that
you would consume generally speaking. And so when you look
at these complex sugars compared to again a simple sugar
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like hyphrotose corn syrup, they're just completely different. So it
drives me absolutely crazy when I hear some you know,
supposed expert in public health or health or nutrition or
whatever out there talking about all sugar is bad for us.
That is a garbage statement. It's factually untrue. It's ignorant
at best. And these people going around saying that need
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to do their homework because they are, as we say,
throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They're lumping all
sugars in one basket, and that's not the way to
look at it. It's like saying all cars drive the same.
That's a stupid statement. It doesn't make any sense. Who
would you know, who would take you seriously if you said, yeah,
every car drives the same. A Toyota drives exactly like
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a Cadillac or a Ferrari. That doesn't make any sense.
Same thing with sugars. There's no general blanket statement that
we can make about how sugars affect us. So what
we've shown time and time again is again, not only
are these sugars not bad for you, they are actually
arguably some of the most beneficial nutrients provided to us
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by Mother Nature. I mean, I would put them really
at the top of the list compared to anything else
kerk human ginger, or any other plant you can think of.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You know, maybe the better thing is if those so
called experts would just differentiate and say, you know, the
simple sugars that sugarcane are the ones that you neique,
or they're derivatives like high fruit toast corns here. You know,
if they could just be a little more specific. I
think that's one of the problems in medicine, is that
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things get to be generic and then people just accept
that generic and do not look further into the detail.
So I think you have a very good point, and
I'm glad you're out there educating people because honestly, most
people have never heard of polysachrite, and if they have,
they don't know what it is. So we're doing We're
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doing a big service. You're doing a big service here
to educate the humanity on not only the discernment and differentiation,
but just how valuable they are in our diet. So
why al vera and rerice bran and not like mushrooms
for example, Why there are polysacrites in other nutrients? So
(09:29):
how did you decide on those two?
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Speaker 2 (10:31):
Again, it was strictly through my association with doctor McDaniel
and Barbara I mean doctor reg A pathologists by training
in the Dallas area. This man has had an incredible live.
He's I think now Redge is like eighty eight years old,
still goes to his office every day like us, still
fighting the good fights, still looking for money to do research.
But reg was introduced to the saliva product about forty
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years ago. I think it was eighty five eighty six,
so he's on like a forty year journey. He's like
double the time invested that I have. But this man
ended up leaving his practice. He was running a pathology
unit at a hospital in Dallas to basically practicing nutrition
based on the discoveries that he and his colleagues at
Texas A and M were making with these Alla poly sachrides.
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And then Barbara was a patient here. She used to
live in the Fort Lauderdale area, and she was a
patient at the University of Miami. She had metistatic disease
from the thyroid, had the typical conventional approach surgery, radiation, chemotherapy,
and was still given a total terminal diagnosis excuse me,
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and then found this rice brand product and ended up
extending her life for nine years. I met her about
four years posts six month prognosis, So you can imagine
how just I mean talk about, you know, having a
bully pulpit. I mean, this lady would tell you for
hours how much this rice brand had saved her life.
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So it was simply due to the associations with Edge
and Barbara that I was able to conduct all of
this research that we focused on these two particular plants.
But you're absolutely right, I mean every vegetable, every grain,
every seaweed, every mushroom, they all have some level of
polysaccharide content, and I don't really. I mean, when you
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have things like, you know, a Lion's made mushroom that's
one of the mushrooms that's gained some recent popularity, I mean,
certainly those things have effects due to their polysaccharide content.
I just haven't, Michelle, I just haven't had the opportunity.
I mean, there are just only so many, you know,
years in your life that you have to do certain things.
I've just focused on the two from alo O Vera
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and rice Brand really, I mean, with all due respect
to all the other plants out there, I just don't
know too much about them, just because again, there's so
much to know and only so little time that you
have in your life.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That's and you're doing so much in gaps and with
so many diseases that you're looking at in the impact
of the folly sacriice on those diseases. So obviously Alzheimer's
been the most recent and the biggest. So take us
back to the Miller School. We talked about the fact
that my sister was very good friends with Leonard and
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Sue Miller, both of whom unfortunately have passed away now.
But I think you remember when you and I spoke,
I mentioned that to you. So I have a lot
of time regard for that school because I had met
the couple when they were much younger, many years ago,
and you know her the full story of how they
evolved to that place. So what led you there and
(13:37):
what did you do there and how did that influence
what you're doing now?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well? I ended up attending University Miami to do my
PhD because I wanted to move from Tennessee, escape the
cold weather and be somewhere in the country where it
was warm and close to the ocean. So really, you
don't have too many choices unless since Florida or Hawaii,
and I hadn't been to Hawaii at that point in
my life, but for California. California is too cold for me.
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But that's okay, okay, But anyway, I met a psychologist
at the medical school, and during my first year at
the university, I met a psychologist who was working at
the medical school doing research, and so anyway, that was
how I got connected into the medical school. And I
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actually knew Sue a little bit myself. Unfortunately that was
more toward the end of her life and I didn't
really have much of a chance to get too involved
with her, but I didn't know Leonard at all. But
I spent about twenty years there conducting research full time,
and toward the end of that twenty years was when
I really got pretty burned out on essentially begging the government,
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foundations and individuals like the Millers that have a lot
of money to do research. It's not really it's not
really a nice way to make a living. It's very
stressful full, especially when you're doing research and nutrition that's
considered kind of black sheep ish, if you will, Like,
if you're not doing a very conventional place like the
University of Miami that depends on all this big pharm
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of funding, if you're not doing research in pharmacology or
even genetics, then you're really you're struggling. I mean, and
you know, I'm just being very honest here, You're really
struggling to make a living to keep your lab going
because you're just not doing research that pays the bills
per se, and that not any something percent of the
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people around you are doing. So it's difficult to make
a living that way. And I was really it was
only through the generosity of this one family who spoke
with doctor Reg after the wife of this husband and
wife had listened to doctor Reg give a lecture one
day about some of the work that he was doing
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with the poly sachrides with p with Alzheimer's and Parkinson's,
and so this lady approached Redg after his lecture, she said, Wow,
this is very interesting. She and her husband started a
relationship with Reg and then they decided to make a
donation to research on the polysachrides based on what he
had talked about. The only requirement was that they wanted
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us to do the research and people with Alzheimer's because
they had lost four family members to the disease, so
they made a donation. Redge was not affiliated with any
university or a research organization at that time. I just
happened to be in the right place at the right time,
and now here i am today, and so we ran
the clinical trial in Alzheimer's which even today I mean again,
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I'm no longer in academics, but today as far as
my academic or research career goes, that is the highlight
of my career simply due to the fact of what
we discovered. We put them on this formula that we
now called Daily Brain Care, and we assessed them over
a twelve month intervention. We tested their cognitive function at baseline, three, six, nine,
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and twelve months. We drew their blood at baseline in
twelve months, and Michelle, quite frankly, we discovered things in
that study that are unparalleled. No other study has shown
similar things. So these were people with moderate to severe severity,
which is basically the worst level of severity of this disease.
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They were on average seventy nine point nine years of age,
so relatively older group of folks. And they also didn't
just have Alzheimer's, they had diabetes, depression, different forms of
heart disease, so very impaired as well. At nine and
twelve months, we showed clinically and statistically significant improvement in
cognitive function according to the ad S COG, which is
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the gold standard for assessing cognitive function, particularly in people
with any form of dementia.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's unheard of.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That is unheard of. There's no other study. Any of
your listeners can go to PubMed themselves, do their own
literature search. You will not find any other intervention that
showed that kind of an effect. You can look at
the five FD approved drugs for dementia. They do basically nothing.
If you're lucky, they will delay progression of disease. But
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you can look at any type of diet, any other
dietary supplement, exercise, hyperbaric oxygen, red light therapy, accupuncture, anything,
just take your pick. Nothing else has shown that kind
of an effect. And remember, this is a disease that
as you progress through it, you lose your cognitive function.
And also most people, I think they sometimes tend to
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think that cognitive function is synonymous with memory. Memory is
only one part of cognitive function, So you have multiple
domains of cognitive function, for example, your ability, your executive
functioning ability, or processing speed, we call your orientation to
space time, all these different things. So it's not just
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your short term and long term memory. It's there's a
lot that goes into your carnitive function.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Are you familiar with the test called the wav W
A V I.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I have seen that, but I'm not familiar with it.
I haven't used it in any of our research.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'm going to connect you with Roberto Butteka, who is
the one of the partners in that that company, and
they were literally right next to Roberto's booth at the
A for M show in Vegas last December, and I
took their tests with through Roberto, I took the test
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and it does it tests all those areas, how quickly
can you make a decision? And how what is your
reflex speed? And you know, all of that good stuff.
Good news is that came out really well or really
he said I was top percentile. But but you know
that's the other The other thing that came up when
I was discussing it with him was how much influence
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is the APO for alile the genetic tests have on
the people that you were testing And like an example,
did you ask all of those participants if they had
the positive result on that genetic test?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
We did not have. We had again remember this was
private money. This was not from the government or some
big organization, so we had we were pinching pennies and
nickels and dimes. I mean, we didn't even draw blood
at three six nine, at three six and nine months,
which we wanted to do. We only had money to
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draw blood at baseline and twelve months, so we didn't
do any genetic testing in that study. Unfortunately, we actually
have the samples stored in a freezer. So anybody out
there listening who may feel inspired or compelled to donate
money to research act, we still have all of the
samples stored in a freezer. We could actually go back,
and I don't know how much you know, we potentially
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can do with those samples in terms of what you
need to do genetic testing live, you know, with a
fresh sample as opposed to frozen. But there are still
lots of questions that need to be answered. And that's
why I still have again, even though I'm not not
academics full time any longer, I still have ultimately a
goal to do additional research. But you know, research takes
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a lot of money, and that's part of the reason
why I'm no longer in academics. So I didn't realize
it at that moment, but when we published our first
article from twenty thirteen in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease,
which were the most extensive amount of results we published.
We publish four papers from that study now. But I
tried two times within IH and two times with Alzheimer's
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Association prior to leaving academics full time. Over the next
couple of years, and I got that much in retire
in return.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, hang on, because if Robert F. Kennedy gets confirmed
in the new administration, hopefully there'll be a lot more
opportunity for tests that are, you know, in the integrative
and functional side of things, with plant based diets and
so forth. So and and your test and your research
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may be far more acceptable or valuable even to them.
So that's something to you know, I'm glad that you
kept frozen samples. That's really that was really smart to do. Well.
You know, so much of the talk today is about
the microbione and how the gut affects the brain. And
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as a baseline, did you do a questionnaire or how
did you find out whether these people were really toxic?
And you know, you said they had a lot of
other issues besides just all times. That's that's enough in
of itself, But did you actually look into their condition
of their microbiome?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
No, we focused more on the immune system, we didn't.
I mean again, you know, in a very conventional place,
you only can do so many things. We rather than
looking at the microbiome, we chose to focus on the
immune system simply because the immune system has it's not
just our first line of defense against infection. It's it's
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so much more than that in the sense of how
it cross talks to all the other major organ systems,
and so we wanted to look at the role of
the inflammatory markers overall immune system functioning adult stem cell production.
We even in our last paper we published a little
over a year ago, we showed how the T one
and T two components the pro versus the anti inflammatory
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side of the immune system were affected as well. But
for example, we showed an improvement in overall immune function
according to the CD four to CD eight ratio that's
your ratio of helper to cytotoxic cells. So that's very
important for all of us, not just for people with
Alzheimer's disease. We showed in TNF alpha and vegf, which
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our proteins commonly looked at in heart disease and cancer.
Our paper was probably the first one that published that
in people with Alzheimer's disease. And then we showed just
under a three hundred percent increase in adult stem cell
production according to CD fourteen cells over that twelve month
period as well. So those findings again were probably some
of the first findings ever published in people with Alzheimer's disease,
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and we showed very significant links between how the immune
system functions and then how you can say cognitive function
is essentially a proxy measure of brain function, although there's
not really a good way to assess that. I mean,
we could have, had we had the funding, we could
have looked at images of the brain, you know, a
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CT scan or something, but again we didn't because of
our or budget being so limited, we didn't have imaging data.
But these were very significant findings that and we've published subsequently,
as I mentioned, four papers, So the next three papers
we continued demonstrating links between the immune systems functioning and brain. Hell,
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so the microbiol would certainly be another area. In fact,
we've already talked about adding that as part of the
assessment when we do a second study. We just didn't
do anything like that in the first study and.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We didn't have Yeah, you didn't have the funding. But right,
they say that eighty percent of your immune system was
in your gut. So honestly, I think the baseline for
all health is starting in the digestive trap. And if
that's all determined that if you have toxicity, there you're
going to have a compromised immune system, and then you
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get probably going to have a compromised brain because they
are all integrated. That no accident. It's called integrative medicine, right,
that's right, the alternative allopathic medicine. So what Okay, So
let's go back to this immune system issue, because I
think our viewers and listeners need to know some of
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these terms so that they understand how the immune system
is just like the conductor of the orchestra, as I
think you said in one of your talks, and that
does require homeostasis and getting homeostasis in the which means
that you know everything is in balance. So getting that
in your immune system is a huge challenge, and particularly
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in today's toxic world with all the bad influences we have.
So start us from the base, like, okay, what is
the CD for the CDA. Tell us more about the
ratio and what those individually mean to individuals who are
getting their blood work done.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, I don't so unless somebody has like an autoimmune issue,
maybe HIV, rheumatoid artheis, even multiple sclerosis, I think probably.
I mean I don't know about you. I don't think
you commonly necessarily look for your CD four to CD
eight ratio. I mean, I think that's probably fairly uncommon.
It's really more research wise. People tend to look at
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things like that just to again assess. So you have
helper cells that do things like assist other cells, which
you know, is why it's called helper You're helping other
immune cells do their job, whether that's counteracting a bacteria
or a virus, or responding to some sort of an
inflammatory signal. And then you have the side of a
toxic cell, the CD eight, which is your cell that
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goes out and actually kills the virus or the bacteria
or disrupts that type of replication. So, again, as I mentioned,
those are very important for all of us. I don't
want anybody to think, oh, well, that's just for people
with Alzheimer's disease. No, that's not. You know, again, those
are very important for all of us, especially once we
hit middle age and then as we go through the
rest of our life. We want that ratio to be
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optimized as much as possible. And so that was one
of the ways that you can look at overall immune function.
That just kind of gives you sort of a helicopter
or high level view if you will, of how your
overall immune system is functioning. So if you have an
inverted ratio, in other words, if the ratio is below
one point, oh, then that's probably not optimal because again,
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now you have too many cytotoxic cells in relationship to
your helper cells, and that's not really that's not optimal
at all. In fact, and if you look at the
HIV literature, if you have HIV infection and you have
an inverted ratio, you're actually at greater risk of things
like diabetes, cancer, and heart disease on top of all
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of the effects you're dealing with just from HIV itself.
So that's a very important ratio to it at the
like to me, at the very minimum, at least have
over one point. Oh, you want it to be positively
calculated above one.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So you know, Sean, my doctor routinely has me do
every time I you know, I do once a year
blood work and last time with twenty vials, so she's
really borrow and she always has me look at the
immune system balance, so the CD four and CD eight
and then the natural killer cells. So basically, let maybe
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take it one step further and tell us about. So
the CD four help help, the CD eight suppress if
there are bad guys around, they'll go in and help.
And then what does the natural killer cells do?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
The natural killer sales are our first line of defense
against virus and transformed or carcinogenic cells. So obviously we
want our immune system and it's all of its many
different roles. We have all of these different subsets of
the immune system. We want our natural killer cells to
be able to recognize when you have a viol risk,
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to be able to recognize because all of our cells
are constantly going through apatosis, this life death cycle, and
within that normal cycle, a cell dies off and then
our macrophage consume that wasted material, that dying cellular byproduct,
if you will, and then there's no problem. But if
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a cell is dying and it's not properly eliminated, if
our natural killer cells do not recognize it and eliminate it,
what happens to us, Well, we could end up with carcinogenesis,
which leads to cancer, athrogenesis, which leads to cardiovascu disease,
two of the most important things. So we want we
want our natural killer cells surveillant ready for action ready
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to do their job, and that's a big part of
the job is eliminating those transforming, dying cells. And so
we have to have a very good natural killer cell
activity cytotoxicity to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, And I think if people understand and that all
health begins in the cells and that you're app which
is like the master energizer of every cell. So if
you're not getting all this garbage cleanup, your cells are
going to suffer and you're going to feel it low
energy and those more serious consequences that you just mentioned.
(31:22):
So that's right, that's why there's so many synalytics on
the market today, right, So people are looking at ways
to clean up cellular debris, and like, what are some
of the ingredients other than these polysaccharides that you think
help with in the synalytic formulas.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh, that's a good question. I mean, in our formula,
we have ultra tara clay, which is a very important
component to our formula. That's a bent tonit clay. It
comes from an old lake in Mississippi. It's got all
this micro nutrition in it. But also the clay in general.
When you think of clays and how humans have used
clays for healing perps is for millennia. Really they strip
(32:03):
out the all of this toxic you mentioned toxins a
few moments ago, all of these toxins that we accumulate,
and you can eat the most perfect diet, you can
exercise every day, you can do all these things, but
you're still exposed to pollution in the environment. There's no
escaping pollution at any level on our planet, unfortunately. And
(32:24):
so as we build up heavy metals arsenic PCBs, PHAs
I mean, there's all sorts of stuff floating around now
in the environment, in our water, soil, and air. We
accumulate that stuff over time. So the clay is a
very potent key lator or detoxifier of those things. So
it's not only helping to nourish on one side, but
(32:46):
it's also helping to clean up on the other side.
So that's a very important component to the formula. Something
like innocetyl cysteine, that's a very very important it's a
hybrid of cysteine, the amino acid that is more commonly
thought of, but in acetyl systein is the metabolic precursor
to gluet to thion, which is are referred to as
(33:08):
our master antioxidant, and unfortunately, as we age, like many things,
our body makes less glue to thion. Glue tothion is
also difficult to There's been technological challenges with trying to
create an oral glue to thion that's actually effective because
the body's hydrochloric acid breaks it down very rapidly orally.
(33:29):
So you see a lot of these, you know, specially clinics,
anti aging clinics, whatever you want to call them, offering
IV glue to thion. But you can boost your level
of glue to thion with oral in a se So
oral in ac is a very important nutrient that can
be used not only for boosting your glue tothion, but
(33:50):
also helping in the clay do its job with cleaning
out things. It's actually used if people have you've ever
heard of anybody having an a seede of minifin uh
toxic exposure. N C is used to counteract that. So
it's very good for helping deliver to detoxify any type
of toxic toxification acute situation like that. NAC is your
(34:15):
go to nutrient for that, and it's it's I mean,
it's had so many studies done on it. It's a
really powerful and incredible nutrient.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I'm so glad you brought that up. You know, a
lot of people don't understand they take these glue to
ione pills and they really don't realize they're not they're
not they're just basically it's expensive urine. Because they're they're
not benefit. Quicksilver Scientific does a lipizomal glue de thion,
and I've been told even that is even though it's
(34:45):
going right into your bloodstream, it's still not doing the
full job. So taking the precursor of ANAC, which is absorbable,
does help to boost it. And you know, if you
want to do it both ways. And now at the
show the it was a company called Aura Wellness and
they do a skin a surface oil now glutas ion.
(35:08):
That's their kind of their flag product. So I bought
a couple of bottles and I'm, you know, sort of
I don't use it every single day because I know
I'm taking NAC, so I don't feel the compulsion, but
I know it's really you know, supposed to be because
it's going through the skin a much more efficacious way
(35:28):
to get the benefits of glutathion. But even when you
do the IV, it helps you for about the first hour.
But you know after an IV people don't always realize
it's because ivs are very effective, but they don't last.
So yeah, I do them occasionally, but then I know
that when I walk out the door about an hour later,
(35:51):
I'd probably be ready to go to the bathroom. Right
And you can see the vitamin C in your in
your urine just so bright colored. So I'm glad you're
talking about that because your product does go to a point,
but there doesn't. It doesn't mean it and it's a
very good point, I should say, very strong. Ingredients in
(36:13):
the product are are amazing. But however, you know there
are ways to partner with other nutrients to just make
the process even more potent and powerful and and and
and efficases. Right, so, so, and what about like our
(36:37):
lapolic acid and the B complex vitems are those? Would
you put those on a list of nutrients to take
people to take if they wanted to combine it with
your product?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh, I would think. So there's there has been some
really interesting research conducted on our life poic acid, as
you mentioned, I mean, it definitely has lots of different
cardio a, vascular, and cognitive function effects. So I would
say that, yes, if you if you are taking any
type of lie poeic acid, I would consider the R
form over the alpha form generally speaking.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Right, more absorbable, right, and particularly it's right older people
who are more of your target audience for Alzheimer's. So yeah,
it's it's kind of like the same thing with uh,
what's the other one that oh my gosh, just it's
just skipped me in my mind. Oh, we're supposed to
(37:33):
one form over the other because it's much more potent.
I'll think of it in the moment about yeah, coke
ten and you bi one, thank you, thank you. Yeah. Yeah,
So people don't often realize that COQ ten isn't as
absorbable as you bick on all. So, and that's that's
(37:54):
just another one. You know, when I took the genetic test,
I took it from the DNA company out of Toronto,
and there was a sixty page test, very difficult, I mean,
wonderful information. You know, you can't make most people they
don't send you a copy because of course they go
broke because they were sending out all those copies. But
(38:16):
I didn't you know, I was lucky enough. I don't
have the APO four gene, so that was a big, big,
you know, relief, and then the breast that breast cancer gene.
I didn't have that. But what if somebody does have
these results that are positive? How does epigenetics play a role.
(38:36):
And I'm sure you looked into this because you're, you know,
dealing with Alzheimer's. How does epigenetics play a role against
or in combination with your genetic blueprint? And how would
you guide people if they do get a positive result
to say, that doesn't mean you have a death sentence
that you're going to get Alzheimer's because your epigenetics, which
(38:59):
is your lifestyle, will could could you know, prevent that
from ever happening. So how do you explain that from
a you know, medical and scientific standpoint? I, Well.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You just said it. I totally agree with you. Just
because you have a mutation on your genetic side does
not mean it's a destentence. So I would tell people
not to freak out about any genetic testing that they've
received and really focus If they were not already focused
on their lifestyle, then you know, like at that point
that's really when it becomes a real necessity to do so,
(39:34):
because then ultimately, if you don't, you would end up
being more likely to be a statistic or a number
based on that genetic risk. So you're absolutely right. I mean,
look at I think the best way that you know,
late people can understand how our genes function is that
our genes do not really do anything until they receive
information from the environment. And then it's kind of like
(39:57):
if you use the analogy of a gun. You know,
a gun by itself can't do anything to another person
or an animal or whatever. But you put ammunition in
that gun and then you pull the trigger, and that's
where it can do damage. Same thing with our genes, right,
I mean, so our genes are sitting there waiting on
information from the environment, and usually the most readily available
(40:19):
source of information that our genes receive is what we
stick in our mouths. So every time we bend our elbow,
open our mouth and put something in it, that's where
our genes are getting information. And going back to the
polysacrides for a minute, that's where I would argue that
the polysacrides can make such a huge difference in someone's life,
not just from the brain health perspective, but really head
(40:40):
to toe is that these polysacrides have so much coded
information in them that is beneficial, not detrimental. And so
taking these polysacrides every day you are instructing the cells
through the guidance by the genes and how to function properly.
It's a very important tool in your toolbox to utilize
(41:03):
to help you with that. But generally speaking, I mean
we know, just again, don't take my word for it.
Go to PubMed and do your own literature search. If
you look at all the lifestyle data out there, nutrition,
physical activity, exercise, dietary supplementation, smoking or not. Of course
those are very specific behaviors related to certain cancers and
(41:25):
other diseases, use of alcohol, stress management, sweep, you know,
all these different things nutrition And I'm lumping everything about
nutrition under one umbrella of what you you know, your diet,
your supplementation, all these things together. But far and away,
nutrition is the number one lifestyle choice that we can
(41:49):
make good or bad, you know, depending on how you
utilize it to your detriment or to your benefit in
terms of your ultimate health outcome. So certainly that all
the way back you have somebody who does genetic testing,
maybe they have the mutation of the apoe for allele
on one side, or maybe they even have both. Just
(42:12):
you know, again, don't freak out about it. Just be
you know, starting from that point, be very vigilant about
how you take care of yourself, and then hopefully through
your own activity, through your own lifestyle, you will keep
that genetic risk, you know, under the cover, if you will,
lack of a better analogy and not allow it to
(42:34):
express in a way that would ultimately lead you to
having Alzheimer's disease.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know, it's so interesting because you're absolutely right, and
it's important that people hear this because very often people
here get the results of their genetic tests and they
think that's, you know, a life sentence or a death sentence,
like we said, to their lives, and they then start
having these negativity because your attitude and your thoughts create
a reality. And so if you're attracting that kind of
(43:01):
energy of negativity about your genetic results. So with mine,
I had, I said to the people at DNA, the CEO,
how come I have the obesity gene? I said, I've
been a size six since I was in genes and
you said, well, yeah, but that's because you learned early
on to all the nutrients that are important to your
(43:26):
life and you've been very disciplined if you weren't, And
he's right, because a lot of my family members were
very heavy and so it must be something you know, inherited.
My father, however, was not, so he had other issues,
but you know, with stress management and that kind of thing.
But but that, and then they also told me that
(43:49):
I had a dopamine or neurotransmitter slow converter of serotonin
and dopamine. And yet I'm one of the most positive
people you will ever meet. So rather and I'm mentioning
this about me because it does. It does express to
the point of what you're saying that don't take it
(44:09):
as a a sentence. Isn't just an outline. It's a
basic recognize that you are very lucky. Actually, I've converted
this into a very positive and said, wow, it really
does work to be disciplined and to be knowledgeable and
to take action, be proactive about learning, like with discovering
(44:30):
you doctor John is you know one of it really
has been a huge benefit. I want to talk about
that in just a moment, but so I just want
to be sure we express that to people that just
because you get that you know gene, doesn't mean you're
going to get Alzheimer's so or any other condition. That's right.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Well, And the other thing that people should understand is
we have over forty thousand genes. I know, that's you know,
just one gene in the context forty thousand, Like, hey,
you know, people don't get freaked out over one gane
out of forty thousand. You know, there's a lot of things.
(45:09):
There's a lot of activity going on here at the
genetic level, and so you have the opportunity to overcome anything.
And also we get sucked into this notion, and particularly
in our culture of the magic bullet, right like we
want to look for that one thing, yes, that we
can do, or that one thing that's so important over
everything else. That's that's not the way our physiology works.
(45:32):
So just to your point, it's so the approach should
be so comprehensive and should take into consideration lots of
other factors. So don't get misled or excuse me, don't
get caught up into this idea of you know, one
magic bullet or one key. No, it's a lot of
things going into this equation.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Well, that's why it's good segue, because I want to
talk a little bit about what happened to me, because
you were so kind to send me some samples to try,
which I had been routinely using since I received them,
and that's a couple of months. Now. I must say
I like the capsules better because I travel a lot,
(46:12):
and so the daily brain care comes in powder, which
is much more absorbable. I recognize that I much prefer
using powders and liquids for not having to go through
the liver like a capsule does. However, with people who
are busy lives like me, you know, popping a capsule
sometimes easier than the two times a day. But I
(46:35):
just wanted to let you have some feedback publicly that
after I started taking your product along with doctor Gale Brettison,
who is do you know doctor Gale Retison's He's written
the book about ending Alzheimer's, and doctor Dane Goodenow, who
is one of my very close allies and I'm in
(46:56):
his clinical I'm like a protegee to him, so he
gives me all these products that he's the founder of plasmaalagins,
and they're like the fish oils. I mean, I'm being
simplistic because I don't want to spend time on their products.
But what I started taking. I was already taking his plasmalagins,
(47:17):
which you take in the morning and take at night.
And then I started taking your product, and then I
Dale Brettison has the So both of these men are
experts in Alzheimer's and so they Dale Bredicine's companies called
Apollo Health, and he has a product called Neuroq. So
(47:41):
I can't, you know, say, because I was taking all
three if one or the other is better or has
more efficacy with me. But I can tell you that
what started happening, all these memories started coming back. Things
that you know, I hadn't thought about for twenty years
and named the people started popping into my head, like
(48:01):
how did I ever remember that person? I hardly ever
knew them. And then my dreams have been like and technicolor,
much more vivid. And I always used to dream a lot,
but I would never remember them in the morning. Now
it seems like I can remember really vivid details of
the dreams. Sometimes they're not so good because we all
(48:23):
have stress levels and challenges, and sometimes our dreams will
tell us more than you know. Look by doctor Froyes
told us how important the dreams are to our mental health.
But I just wanted people to know that I highly
recommend your product, and maybe people should just do your
product alone and see how that works for them, because
(48:47):
you don't have to be doing what I'm doing, which
is because these are both all three of you have
been guests on my podcast, So I obviously want to
be a steward of and be able to a spokesperson
and be able to speak about my personal experience. So
my question is how long for a healthy person like
me who isn't dealing with thank goodness any issues but
(49:11):
wants to do it proactively? How long should I, as
one individual, one example? How long should people like me
take your product?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
You mean to notice an effect or what?
Speaker 1 (49:24):
No? No, just because we're taking it preventatively.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Right not so so? Oxygen obviously is our first nutrient,
and then we need water after that, and then after
that we need everything else. They sort of fall into place.
But I've been on my own formula for over ten years.
I've had my mother on it for I think Mom's
been on it for about thirteen maybe fourteen years. My
(49:51):
wife started taking it when she was pregnant with our
first child, over five years ago. I started my daughter
on it when she turned six months of age, and
she's going to be four, I'm sorry, five in March.
So I say all that to say that number one,
I'd be a hypocrite if I wasn't taking my own stuff.
But number two, that prevention is to me is as
(50:12):
important as anything else in terms of not to your
point of not wanting to get any health issue. And
I'm glad you don't have any health issue, but this
is not something that you just take and then you know,
you do it for a few months and that's it.
You don't need it anymore. Now this is again just
like oxygen. You need these polysacharides every day and you're
not getting I mean, I don't know about you. We
(50:35):
have alvera growing in our backyard, but I'm not out
there snipping leaves off every day and sucking the gail down.
It tastes nasty, yeah, And it's ninety nine percent water,
so the polysacharide content is so diluted in the water
it's pretty irrelevant. So you know, we've done the hard
work for everybody. We've concentrated it into a powder that
(50:57):
you can take every day and benefit from. And again
I would say that, you know, anybody that want to
take take daily brain care along with whatever else they
take every day, would certainly be adding a tool to
his or her toolbox. That I mean, I stand by
everything that we've done. You know, I didn't. Daily bring
Care is not just some you know, slick marketing idea.
(51:19):
That this is the baby of decades of research that
my colleagues and I have conducted. If I was only
trying to make a lot of money, I did a
very poor job of it because I spent all of
those years at the university not making a lot of
money and doing all of this research. And so this,
this is my inanimate baby that I'm trying to spread
a message of to people. And you know, all this
(51:42):
science that we've published in the peer reviewed literature, and
and so I would just say, you know, you want
to take this for the rest of your life. We
don't know, you know, prevention is kind of the unanswerable question.
We don't know how prevention works until, unfortunately we get
to the end of our lives and then we didn't
die from Alzheimer's, or we didn't die from cancer or
(52:05):
whatever other killer. We don't know that until the very end.
But at least again, you're giving yourself the possibility of
not dying from those things, which to me is very important.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, and you know, when you do your biological age,
which I you know, at a form, they have a
number of different people vendors that are testing you. True
Diagnostics is the one that I've used, and it tells you,
you know, just basically how all your systems are working.
It's really the health of your organs and the functioning
(52:36):
integratively of those rather than your how many years around
the sun have you? And mine came out twenty years younger.
And I know, and I'm just telling people this. I
know it's not just an accident. It wouldn't be that
if I were not so disciplined and proactive about taking
products like yours. So I'm glad you answered that question.
(52:59):
So now I know I have to be your lifetime customer.
And and by the way, everybody you know, if you
go on Amazon, there are so many products that are
not scientifically backed. It's kind of disgusting and I and
I never I'm not saying I want FBA approval for supplements.
That's not not going to that extreme because the FDA
(53:20):
has its own issues. However, I do feel that we
should be very discerning about the supplements that we take
and know that they've been third party tested or they've
had you know, the scientific research like you've done for
for all those years that are backing them up, and
that there's not and that they are what they say
(53:41):
they are, because many of these products have been tested
and found that they don't have they don't contain what
they say they do. So I'm not going against Amazon.
I order there sometimes, but I always make sure that
they who I'm ordering from on Amazon is the company,
not some you know outlaw in China or somewhere that's
(54:02):
mimicking that company. So I think that's really important. Well,
so if people want to order your product on how
do they do that?
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Well, speaking of the Devil, they can order on Amazon
if they prefer that. We have a doctor Lewis Nutrition
store on Amazon, but we actually prefer people come to
our website Doctor Lewis Nutrition dot com. That's Dr no
Period Lewis Lwis Nutrition dot com we have just a
ton of information on that website and they can learn
(54:32):
all about all the research we've conducted, what went into
the creation of Daily brain Care, and as you mentioned,
we have it both in powder and capsule form. We
are under the Doctor Lewis Nutrition channel on all the
typical social media as well, so you can go to
YouTube or Instagram or Facebook or even TikTok. I guess
(54:52):
for the next month or two.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Anyway, let's see, let's see if they can get.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
That exactly, see if that can us. But we have
a lot of videos, especially on the YouTube channel, that
are obviously shorter in nature. They're not as descriptive as
all the information on the website. But we have product reviews,
testimonial videos, all sorts of blogs, all sorts of links
to podcasts like what I'm Doing with You Today. So
really the website is the best source of information for
(55:19):
people who like to read. And if people have questions,
they can email us, they can give us a call.
I'm always happy to help people with personal questions. Although
we have a ton of information. Just on the FAQ
section alone, we have a ton of information, So I
would encourage people to go to our website and learn more.
But again, if they have specific questions, they're more than
(55:40):
welcome to reach out to us.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, and the other thing I want people to know
is this is not some big conglomerate.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You know, this is not definitely not Yeah, this is
one man with a mission who has that right sports
staff and who's passionate about helping people to be healthy.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
So I think that that in itself, the entrepreneurial and
the kind of pioneer and warrior aspect of that is
it's very American, and it's very it's very heartening that
you you have stuck your neck out like you have
to make this possible for all of us. So thank you, John. Well.
So you know we are on all the major podcast sites,
(56:20):
so and we also do reels after we'll be asking
you to collaborate on reel so that we'll be promoting uh,
your who you are on all of our social media.
So we have we have a partnership established. Now you'll
we'll be on yours and you'll be on ours and
more and more if we get the word out to
people that. That's why I spent a few moments saying
(56:43):
about my own personal experience because I think people need
to know that I'm not here. I don't even look
at my podcasts as a commercial enterprise. I look at
it as a philanthropic and that's why I don't do
all these subscriber things like everybody else does, and I don't.
I don't put now now, I will say that, you know,
very often, if you want to do this, we can
(57:04):
talk about it offline, but very often our guests want
to give an incentive for the first time buyers of
their products, just to they you know, give them, you know,
some kind of an initial whatever, whether it's a discount
or a free PDF or whatever. So is that something
you want to do, Let me know that, and I'll
(57:26):
put it on our website as part of people will
be motivated to try. Even it isn't all. It isn't
about price, because your price is a very reasonable and
for what you're getting, so it's not that. But you know,
everybody's watching their pocketbooks right now. So that's right. Oh,
we had a great time. I love talking to you.
(57:47):
I hope you felt the same.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yes, thank you for having me. It's been my pleasure
to be here with you today.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
All right, Well, you go get some sleep and take
care of you. You need to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yes you much, thank you a bit, yeah,
Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
My guest today is someone that I've been talking to
for many, many months, and he was recommended to me
by one of my very favorite podcast hosts, and her
name is Lisa to tom Ty, and she has a
podcast called Pushing the Limits. So whenever Lisa calls me
or texts me and says there's somebody I want you
(00:31):
to meet, I listen. And this was the case with
doctor John Lewis. So we had a chat a few
months ago and now I'm very excited to have him
here so today, So welcome doctor Lewis.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thank you, Michelle for having me. It's my pleasure to
be here.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So well, congratulations on your new baby.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, that's exciting. No sleep though, huh.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No sleep, I'd be sleeping right now otherwise already.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, yes, Well, I was looking back at our notes
and then I've been taking your supplement. So I'm going
to talk about those in a moment because I'm so
excited to tell you my feedback on them. But I
wanted to start off by just asking you to give
us a little summary of how you got to where
you are today. The journey that you've taken. I know
(01:19):
you were very big in exercise and fitness, and just
tell us what were some of the most memorable steps
that have gotten you to be the human giant that
you are today.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I would say the very first step was my grandfather
pitching baseball to me in the backyard when I was
probably three or four years old, and it put me
on a track of playing sports most of my childhood,
and in my teen years I played pretty much anything
with the ball other than soccer. And then after all
(01:55):
of that ended in high school and college, I got
into drug free competitive bodybuilding and I did that for
a few years, and I realized pretty quickly I was
not going to make a living as a bodybuilder. As
I mentioned, I was drug free, so I wasn't willing
to take the risk of using drugs and I didn't
think i'd make much money doing it anyway, So that
(02:16):
phase didn't last too long. But what that phase of
my life did accomplish was that it changed my outlook
or my perspective on nutrition, going from most I think
most Americans look at food as just for taste, not
really considering the impact on health. So it totally changed
my perspective on diet and food and how food, just
(02:39):
like exercise and physical activity, affects the body, but it
still didn't really again it was more of a physical
sports performance perspective as opposed to a health performance. But
then a number of years later, after I got out
of bodybuilding, as I was beginning my research career, I
met a couple of people who introduced me to their
(03:01):
journeys on polysachrides. And at that point in my life,
I didn't really have any great appreciation for sacharides other
than being a source of fuel for the cells. That
was really all I had learned about them in school,
and I didn't really even really consider anything else beyond that.
But meeting doctor Reg McDaniel and Barbara Kimley to people
(03:24):
who again had profound journeys in their own lives, Doctor
Redge on the Alavera side and Barbara on the Rice
friend's side, just completely changed my perspective. And so I
think a big reason of why I'm sitting here talking
to you today and why I get interviewed by other
people is because it changed not only my career but
(03:45):
my life in the sense of appreciating how these two plants,
rice and alavera provide these nutrients that are so beneficial
for humankind, and so we ended up conducting Here we
are close to twenty years later after meeting doctor reg
and Barbara. Here we are my colleagues, and I've conducted
all this research. I'm no longer in academics full time,
(04:06):
but we conducted all this research that led to the
product that I'm now selling today as a businessman. And
so I've just had an incredible opportunity of, as the
Beatles said, being on this long and winding road, of
this journey of nutrition and specifically in polysachrides, and of
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course still exercise and physical act activity being a very
important part of who I am and what I do,
but really more focused on the nutrition side and even
more specifically the polysachrides and how I'm educating people about
these sacharides that you know again, I mean when you
think of alvera, most people only think of alvera for
(04:49):
a topical solution. They don't even have a clue what
taking these polysacrides from alvera can do for them health wise.
And so the research we conducted in Alzheimer's multiple sclero HIV,
non alcoholic fatty liver disease. We've published some just incredible
findings from all of this work, and so here I
am today talking to you about this work and our
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research and polysachrides in my mission.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
And you've been talking for twenty years to a lot
of people. You've had one hundred and eighty scientific studies, right,
So that gives you a lot of meat on the bone.
But I think we should start at the basic vocabulary.
Let's define what a polysachride is for our viewers and listeners.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
If you don't mind, absolutely, it's a very important place
to start. So first of all, saccharide, sugar, carbohydrate. Generally speaking,
those are synonyms. And we as Americans, for the last
at least half century, have been so conditioned to think
every time we hear the word sugar it only means
one thing bad. There's no possibility that you could take sugar.
(06:01):
You could eat sugar and it would be good for you.
But what people need to understand is there are four
types of sugars that occur in mother nature. You have monosaccharides, disacharides, oligosacharides,
and polysaccharides. And I mentioned those in order of increasing complexity.
So a monosaccharide, a simple sugar like high fructose corn
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syrup is generally speaking not good for you if you're
overloading yourself on high froctose corn syrup. Take that all
the way to the end. Of polysacharides that I mentioned
that come from Alvara and rice brand. These are complex sugars.
Look at the root of the word polymini sacharide sugar.
These are hundreds of glucose units attached together by very
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sophisticated glycosidic bonds. They have incredible structure to them. They
have more density of information than amino acids, fatty acids, certainly, vitamins,
and minerals. So these are the most complex structures that
you would consume generally speaking. And so when you look
at these complex sugars compared to again a simple sugar
(07:08):
like hyphrotose corn syrup, they're just completely different. So it
drives me absolutely crazy when I hear some you know,
supposed expert in public health or health or nutrition or
whatever out there talking about all sugar is bad for us.
That is a garbage statement. It's factually untrue. It's ignorant
at best. And these people going around saying that need
(07:30):
to do their homework because they are, as we say,
throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They're lumping all
sugars in one basket, and that's not the way to
look at it. It's like saying all cars drive the same.
That's a stupid statement. It doesn't make any sense. Who
would you know, who would take you seriously if you said, yeah,
every car drives the same. A Toyota drives exactly like
(07:50):
a Cadillac or a Ferrari. That doesn't make any sense.
Same thing with sugars. There's no general blanket statement that
we can make about how sugars affect us. So what
we've shown time and time again is again, not only
are these sugars not bad for you, they are actually
arguably some of the most beneficial nutrients provided to us
(08:13):
by Mother Nature. I mean, I would put them really
at the top of the list compared to anything else
kerk human ginger, or any other plant you can think of.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You know, maybe the better thing is if those so
called experts would just differentiate and say, you know, the
simple sugars that sugarcane are the ones that you neique,
or they're derivatives like high fruit toast corns here. You know,
if they could just be a little more specific. I
think that's one of the problems in medicine, is that
(08:44):
things get to be generic and then people just accept
that generic and do not look further into the detail.
So I think you have a very good point, and
I'm glad you're out there educating people because honestly, most
people have never heard of polysachrite, and if they have,
they don't know what it is. So we're doing We're
(09:05):
doing a big service. You're doing a big service here
to educate the humanity on not only the discernment and differentiation,
but just how valuable they are in our diet. So
why al vera and rerice bran and not like mushrooms
for example, Why there are polysacrites in other nutrients? So
(09:29):
how did you decide on those two?
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Speaker 2 (10:31):
Again, it was strictly through my association with doctor McDaniel
and Barbara I mean doctor reg A pathologists by training
in the Dallas area. This man has had an incredible live.
He's I think now Redge is like eighty eight years old,
still goes to his office every day like us, still
fighting the good fights, still looking for money to do research.
But reg was introduced to the saliva product about forty
(10:54):
years ago. I think it was eighty five eighty six,
so he's on like a forty year journey. He's like
double the time invested that I have. But this man
ended up leaving his practice. He was running a pathology
unit at a hospital in Dallas to basically practicing nutrition
based on the discoveries that he and his colleagues at
Texas A and M were making with these Alla poly sachrides.
(11:15):
And then Barbara was a patient here. She used to
live in the Fort Lauderdale area, and she was a
patient at the University of Miami. She had metistatic disease
from the thyroid, had the typical conventional approach surgery, radiation, chemotherapy,
and was still given a total terminal diagnosis excuse me,
(11:36):
and then found this rice brand product and ended up
extending her life for nine years. I met her about
four years posts six month prognosis, So you can imagine
how just I mean talk about, you know, having a
bully pulpit. I mean, this lady would tell you for
hours how much this rice brand had saved her life.
(11:56):
So it was simply due to the associations with Edge
and Barbara that I was able to conduct all of
this research that we focused on these two particular plants.
But you're absolutely right, I mean every vegetable, every grain,
every seaweed, every mushroom, they all have some level of
polysaccharide content, and I don't really. I mean, when you
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have things like, you know, a Lion's made mushroom that's
one of the mushrooms that's gained some recent popularity, I mean,
certainly those things have effects due to their polysaccharide content.
I just haven't, Michelle, I just haven't had the opportunity.
I mean, there are just only so many, you know,
years in your life that you have to do certain things.
I've just focused on the two from alo O Vera
(12:40):
and rice Brand really, I mean, with all due respect
to all the other plants out there, I just don't
know too much about them, just because again, there's so
much to know and only so little time that you
have in your life.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That's and you're doing so much in gaps and with
so many diseases that you're looking at in the impact
of the folly sacriice on those diseases. So obviously Alzheimer's
been the most recent and the biggest. So take us
back to the Miller School. We talked about the fact
that my sister was very good friends with Leonard and
(13:14):
Sue Miller, both of whom unfortunately have passed away now.
But I think you remember when you and I spoke,
I mentioned that to you. So I have a lot
of time regard for that school because I had met
the couple when they were much younger, many years ago,
and you know her the full story of how they
evolved to that place. So what led you there and
(13:37):
what did you do there and how did that influence
what you're doing now?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well? I ended up attending University Miami to do my
PhD because I wanted to move from Tennessee, escape the
cold weather and be somewhere in the country where it
was warm and close to the ocean. So really, you
don't have too many choices unless since Florida or Hawaii,
and I hadn't been to Hawaii at that point in
my life, but for California. California is too cold for me.
(14:04):
But that's okay, okay, But anyway, I met a psychologist
at the medical school, and during my first year at
the university, I met a psychologist who was working at
the medical school doing research, and so anyway, that was
how I got connected into the medical school. And I
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actually knew Sue a little bit myself. Unfortunately that was
more toward the end of her life and I didn't
really have much of a chance to get too involved
with her, but I didn't know Leonard at all. But
I spent about twenty years there conducting research full time,
and toward the end of that twenty years was when
I really got pretty burned out on essentially begging the government,
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foundations and individuals like the Millers that have a lot
of money to do research. It's not really it's not
really a nice way to make a living. It's very
stressful full, especially when you're doing research and nutrition that's
considered kind of black sheep ish, if you will, Like,
if you're not doing a very conventional place like the
University of Miami that depends on all this big pharm
(15:14):
of funding, if you're not doing research in pharmacology or
even genetics, then you're really you're struggling. I mean, and
you know, I'm just being very honest here, You're really
struggling to make a living to keep your lab going
because you're just not doing research that pays the bills
per se, and that not any something percent of the
(15:36):
people around you are doing. So it's difficult to make
a living that way. And I was really it was
only through the generosity of this one family who spoke
with doctor Reg after the wife of this husband and
wife had listened to doctor Reg give a lecture one
day about some of the work that he was doing
(15:58):
with the poly sachrides with p with Alzheimer's and Parkinson's,
and so this lady approached Redg after his lecture, she said, Wow,
this is very interesting. She and her husband started a
relationship with Reg and then they decided to make a
donation to research on the polysachrides based on what he
had talked about. The only requirement was that they wanted
(16:22):
us to do the research and people with Alzheimer's because
they had lost four family members to the disease, so
they made a donation. Redge was not affiliated with any
university or a research organization at that time. I just
happened to be in the right place at the right time,
and now here i am today, and so we ran
the clinical trial in Alzheimer's which even today I mean again,
(16:44):
I'm no longer in academics, but today as far as
my academic or research career goes, that is the highlight
of my career simply due to the fact of what
we discovered. We put them on this formula that we
now called Daily Brain Care, and we assessed them over
a twelve month intervention. We tested their cognitive function at baseline, three, six, nine,
(17:06):
and twelve months. We drew their blood at baseline in
twelve months, and Michelle, quite frankly, we discovered things in
that study that are unparalleled. No other study has shown
similar things. So these were people with moderate to severe severity,
which is basically the worst level of severity of this disease.
(17:26):
They were on average seventy nine point nine years of age,
so relatively older group of folks. And they also didn't
just have Alzheimer's, they had diabetes, depression, different forms of
heart disease, so very impaired as well. At nine and
twelve months, we showed clinically and statistically significant improvement in
cognitive function according to the ad S COG, which is
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the gold standard for assessing cognitive function, particularly in people
with any form of dementia.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's unheard of.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That is unheard of. There's no other study. Any of
your listeners can go to PubMed themselves, do their own
literature search. You will not find any other intervention that
showed that kind of an effect. You can look at
the five FD approved drugs for dementia. They do basically nothing.
If you're lucky, they will delay progression of disease. But
(18:21):
you can look at any type of diet, any other
dietary supplement, exercise, hyperbaric oxygen, red light therapy, accupuncture, anything,
just take your pick. Nothing else has shown that kind
of an effect. And remember, this is a disease that
as you progress through it, you lose your cognitive function.
And also most people, I think they sometimes tend to
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think that cognitive function is synonymous with memory. Memory is
only one part of cognitive function, So you have multiple
domains of cognitive function, for example, your ability, your executive
functioning ability, or processing speed, we call your orientation to
space time, all these different things. So it's not just
(19:06):
your short term and long term memory. It's there's a
lot that goes into your carnitive function.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Are you familiar with the test called the wav W
A V I.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I have seen that, but I'm not familiar with it.
I haven't used it in any of our research.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'm going to connect you with Roberto Butteka, who is
the one of the partners in that that company, and
they were literally right next to Roberto's booth at the
A for M show in Vegas last December, and I
took their tests with through Roberto, I took the test
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and it does it tests all those areas, how quickly
can you make a decision? And how what is your
reflex speed? And you know, all of that good stuff.
Good news is that came out really well or really
he said I was top percentile. But but you know
that's the other The other thing that came up when
I was discussing it with him was how much influence
(20:05):
is the APO for alile the genetic tests have on
the people that you were testing And like an example,
did you ask all of those participants if they had
the positive result on that genetic test?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
We did not have. We had again remember this was
private money. This was not from the government or some
big organization, so we had we were pinching pennies and
nickels and dimes. I mean, we didn't even draw blood
at three six nine, at three six and nine months,
which we wanted to do. We only had money to
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draw blood at baseline and twelve months, so we didn't
do any genetic testing in that study. Unfortunately, we actually
have the samples stored in a freezer. So anybody out
there listening who may feel inspired or compelled to donate
money to research act, we still have all of the
samples stored in a freezer. We could actually go back,
and I don't know how much you know, we potentially
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can do with those samples in terms of what you
need to do genetic testing live, you know, with a
fresh sample as opposed to frozen. But there are still
lots of questions that need to be answered. And that's
why I still have again, even though I'm not not
academics full time any longer, I still have ultimately a
goal to do additional research. But you know, research takes
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a lot of money, and that's part of the reason
why I'm no longer in academics. So I didn't realize
it at that moment, but when we published our first
article from twenty thirteen in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease,
which were the most extensive amount of results we published.
We publish four papers from that study now. But I
tried two times within IH and two times with Alzheimer's
(21:52):
Association prior to leaving academics full time. Over the next
couple of years, and I got that much in retire
in return.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, hang on, because if Robert F. Kennedy gets confirmed
in the new administration, hopefully there'll be a lot more
opportunity for tests that are, you know, in the integrative
and functional side of things, with plant based diets and
so forth. So and and your test and your research
(22:22):
may be far more acceptable or valuable even to them.
So that's something to you know, I'm glad that you
kept frozen samples. That's really that was really smart to do. Well.
You know, so much of the talk today is about
the microbione and how the gut affects the brain. And
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as a baseline, did you do a questionnaire or how
did you find out whether these people were really toxic?
And you know, you said they had a lot of
other issues besides just all times. That's that's enough in
of itself, But did you actually look into their condition
of their microbiome?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
No, we focused more on the immune system, we didn't.
I mean again, you know, in a very conventional place,
you only can do so many things. We rather than
looking at the microbiome, we chose to focus on the
immune system simply because the immune system has it's not
just our first line of defense against infection. It's it's
(23:27):
so much more than that in the sense of how
it cross talks to all the other major organ systems,
and so we wanted to look at the role of
the inflammatory markers overall immune system functioning adult stem cell production.
We even in our last paper we published a little
over a year ago, we showed how the T one
and T two components the pro versus the anti inflammatory
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side of the immune system were affected as well. But
for example, we showed an improvement in overall immune function
according to the CD four to CD eight ratio that's
your ratio of helper to cytotoxic cells. So that's very
important for all of us, not just for people with
Alzheimer's disease. We showed in TNF alpha and vegf, which
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our proteins commonly looked at in heart disease and cancer.
Our paper was probably the first one that published that
in people with Alzheimer's disease. And then we showed just
under a three hundred percent increase in adult stem cell
production according to CD fourteen cells over that twelve month
period as well. So those findings again were probably some
of the first findings ever published in people with Alzheimer's disease,
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and we showed very significant links between how the immune
system functions and then how you can say cognitive function
is essentially a proxy measure of brain function, although there's
not really a good way to assess that. I mean,
we could have, had we had the funding, we could
have looked at images of the brain, you know, a
(24:56):
CT scan or something, but again we didn't because of
our or budget being so limited, we didn't have imaging data.
But these were very significant findings that and we've published subsequently,
as I mentioned, four papers, So the next three papers
we continued demonstrating links between the immune systems functioning and brain. Hell,
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so the microbiol would certainly be another area. In fact,
we've already talked about adding that as part of the
assessment when we do a second study. We just didn't
do anything like that in the first study and.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
We didn't have Yeah, you didn't have the funding. But right,
they say that eighty percent of your immune system was
in your gut. So honestly, I think the baseline for
all health is starting in the digestive trap. And if
that's all determined that if you have toxicity, there you're
going to have a compromised immune system, and then you
(25:51):
get probably going to have a compromised brain because they
are all integrated. That no accident. It's called integrative medicine, right,
that's right, the alternative allopathic medicine. So what Okay, So
let's go back to this immune system issue, because I
think our viewers and listeners need to know some of
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these terms so that they understand how the immune system
is just like the conductor of the orchestra, as I
think you said in one of your talks, and that
does require homeostasis and getting homeostasis in the which means
that you know everything is in balance. So getting that
in your immune system is a huge challenge, and particularly
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in today's toxic world with all the bad influences we have.
So start us from the base, like, okay, what is
the CD for the CDA. Tell us more about the
ratio and what those individually mean to individuals who are
getting their blood work done.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, I don't so unless somebody has like an autoimmune issue,
maybe HIV, rheumatoid artheis, even multiple sclerosis, I think probably.
I mean I don't know about you. I don't think
you commonly necessarily look for your CD four to CD
eight ratio. I mean, I think that's probably fairly uncommon.
It's really more research wise. People tend to look at
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things like that just to again assess. So you have
helper cells that do things like assist other cells, which
you know, is why it's called helper You're helping other
immune cells do their job, whether that's counteracting a bacteria
or a virus, or responding to some sort of an
inflammatory signal. And then you have the side of a
toxic cell, the CD eight, which is your cell that
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goes out and actually kills the virus or the bacteria
or disrupts that type of replication. So, again, as I mentioned,
those are very important for all of us. I don't
want anybody to think, oh, well, that's just for people
with Alzheimer's disease. No, that's not. You know, again, those
are very important for all of us, especially once we
hit middle age and then as we go through the
rest of our life. We want that ratio to be
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optimized as much as possible. And so that was one
of the ways that you can look at overall immune function.
That just kind of gives you sort of a helicopter
or high level view if you will, of how your
overall immune system is functioning. So if you have an
inverted ratio, in other words, if the ratio is below
one point, oh, then that's probably not optimal because again,
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now you have too many cytotoxic cells in relationship to
your helper cells, and that's not really that's not optimal
at all. In fact, and if you look at the
HIV literature, if you have HIV infection and you have
an inverted ratio, you're actually at greater risk of things
like diabetes, cancer, and heart disease on top of all
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of the effects you're dealing with just from HIV itself.
So that's a very important ratio to it at the
like to me, at the very minimum, at least have
over one point. Oh, you want it to be positively
calculated above one.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So you know, Sean, my doctor routinely has me do
every time I you know, I do once a year
blood work and last time with twenty vials, so she's
really borrow and she always has me look at the
immune system balance, so the CD four and CD eight
and then the natural killer cells. So basically, let maybe
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take it one step further and tell us about. So
the CD four help help, the CD eight suppress if
there are bad guys around, they'll go in and help.
And then what does the natural killer cells do?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
The natural killer sales are our first line of defense
against virus and transformed or carcinogenic cells. So obviously we
want our immune system and it's all of its many
different roles. We have all of these different subsets of
the immune system. We want our natural killer cells to
be able to recognize when you have a viol risk,
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to be able to recognize because all of our cells
are constantly going through apatosis, this life death cycle, and
within that normal cycle, a cell dies off and then
our macrophage consume that wasted material, that dying cellular byproduct,
if you will, and then there's no problem. But if
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a cell is dying and it's not properly eliminated, if
our natural killer cells do not recognize it and eliminate it,
what happens to us, Well, we could end up with carcinogenesis,
which leads to cancer, athrogenesis, which leads to cardiovascu disease,
two of the most important things. So we want we
want our natural killer cells surveillant ready for action ready
(30:45):
to do their job, and that's a big part of
the job is eliminating those transforming, dying cells. And so
we have to have a very good natural killer cell
activity cytotoxicity to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, And I think if people understand and that all
health begins in the cells and that you're app which
is like the master energizer of every cell. So if
you're not getting all this garbage cleanup, your cells are
going to suffer and you're going to feel it low
energy and those more serious consequences that you just mentioned.
(31:22):
So that's right, that's why there's so many synalytics on
the market today, right, So people are looking at ways
to clean up cellular debris, and like, what are some
of the ingredients other than these polysaccharides that you think
help with in the synalytic formulas.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh, that's a good question. I mean, in our formula,
we have ultra tara clay, which is a very important
component to our formula. That's a bent tonit clay. It
comes from an old lake in Mississippi. It's got all
this micro nutrition in it. But also the clay in general.
When you think of clays and how humans have used
clays for healing perps is for millennia. Really they strip
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out the all of this toxic you mentioned toxins a
few moments ago, all of these toxins that we accumulate,
and you can eat the most perfect diet, you can
exercise every day, you can do all these things, but
you're still exposed to pollution in the environment. There's no
escaping pollution at any level on our planet, unfortunately. And
(32:24):
so as we build up heavy metals arsenic PCBs, PHAs
I mean, there's all sorts of stuff floating around now
in the environment, in our water, soil, and air. We
accumulate that stuff over time. So the clay is a
very potent key lator or detoxifier of those things. So
it's not only helping to nourish on one side, but
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it's also helping to clean up on the other side.
So that's a very important component to the formula. Something
like innocetyl cysteine, that's a very very important it's a
hybrid of cysteine, the amino acid that is more commonly
thought of, but in acetyl systein is the metabolic precursor
to gluet to thion, which is are referred to as
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our master antioxidant, and unfortunately, as we age, like many things,
our body makes less glue to thion. Glue tothion is
also difficult to There's been technological challenges with trying to
create an oral glue to thion that's actually effective because
the body's hydrochloric acid breaks it down very rapidly orally.
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So you see a lot of these, you know, specially clinics,
anti aging clinics, whatever you want to call them, offering
IV glue to thion. But you can boost your level
of glue to thion with oral in a se So
oral in ac is a very important nutrient that can
be used not only for boosting your glue tothion, but
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also helping in the clay do its job with cleaning
out things. It's actually used if people have you've ever
heard of anybody having an a seede of minifin uh
toxic exposure. N C is used to counteract that. So
it's very good for helping deliver to detoxify any type
of toxic toxification acute situation like that. NAC is your
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go to nutrient for that, and it's it's I mean,
it's had so many studies done on it. It's a
really powerful and incredible nutrient.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I'm so glad you brought that up. You know, a
lot of people don't understand they take these glue to
ione pills and they really don't realize they're not they're
not they're just basically it's expensive urine. Because they're they're
not benefit. Quicksilver Scientific does a lipizomal glue de thion,
and I've been told even that is even though it's
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going right into your bloodstream, it's still not doing the
full job. So taking the precursor of ANAC, which is absorbable,
does help to boost it. And you know, if you
want to do it both ways. And now at the
show the it was a company called Aura Wellness and
they do a skin a surface oil now glutas ion.
(35:08):
That's their kind of their flag product. So I bought
a couple of bottles and I'm, you know, sort of
I don't use it every single day because I know
I'm taking NAC, so I don't feel the compulsion, but
I know it's really you know, supposed to be because
it's going through the skin a much more efficacious way
(35:28):
to get the benefits of glutathion. But even when you
do the IV, it helps you for about the first hour.
But you know after an IV people don't always realize
it's because ivs are very effective, but they don't last.
So yeah, I do them occasionally, but then I know
that when I walk out the door about an hour later,
(35:51):
I'd probably be ready to go to the bathroom. Right
And you can see the vitamin C in your in
your urine just so bright colored. So I'm glad you're
talking about that because your product does go to a point,
but there doesn't. It doesn't mean it and it's a
very good point, I should say, very strong. Ingredients in
(36:13):
the product are are amazing. But however, you know there
are ways to partner with other nutrients to just make
the process even more potent and powerful and and and
and efficases. Right, so, so, and what about like our
(36:37):
lapolic acid and the B complex vitems are those? Would
you put those on a list of nutrients to take
people to take if they wanted to combine it with
your product?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh, I would think. So there's there has been some
really interesting research conducted on our life poic acid, as
you mentioned, I mean, it definitely has lots of different
cardio a, vascular, and cognitive function effects. So I would
say that, yes, if you if you are taking any
type of lie poeic acid, I would consider the R
form over the alpha form generally speaking.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Right, more absorbable, right, and particularly it's right older people
who are more of your target audience for Alzheimer's. So yeah,
it's it's kind of like the same thing with uh,
what's the other one that oh my gosh, just it's
just skipped me in my mind. Oh, we're supposed to
(37:33):
one form over the other because it's much more potent.
I'll think of it in the moment about yeah, coke
ten and you bi one, thank you, thank you. Yeah. Yeah,
So people don't often realize that COQ ten isn't as
absorbable as you bick on all. So, and that's that's
(37:54):
just another one. You know, when I took the genetic test,
I took it from the DNA company out of Toronto,
and there was a sixty page test, very difficult, I mean,
wonderful information. You know, you can't make most people they
don't send you a copy because of course they go
broke because they were sending out all those copies. But
(38:16):
I didn't you know, I was lucky enough. I don't
have the APO four gene, so that was a big, big,
you know, relief, and then the breast that breast cancer gene.
I didn't have that. But what if somebody does have
these results that are positive? How does epigenetics play a role.
(38:36):
And I'm sure you looked into this because you're, you know,
dealing with Alzheimer's. How does epigenetics play a role against
or in combination with your genetic blueprint? And how would
you guide people if they do get a positive result
to say, that doesn't mean you have a death sentence
that you're going to get Alzheimer's because your epigenetics, which
(38:59):
is your lifestyle, will could could you know, prevent that
from ever happening. So how do you explain that from
a you know, medical and scientific standpoint? I, Well.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You just said it. I totally agree with you. Just
because you have a mutation on your genetic side does
not mean it's a destentence. So I would tell people
not to freak out about any genetic testing that they've
received and really focus If they were not already focused
on their lifestyle, then you know, like at that point
that's really when it becomes a real necessity to do so,
(39:34):
because then ultimately, if you don't, you would end up
being more likely to be a statistic or a number
based on that genetic risk. So you're absolutely right. I mean,
look at I think the best way that you know,
late people can understand how our genes function is that
our genes do not really do anything until they receive
information from the environment. And then it's kind of like
(39:57):
if you use the analogy of a gun. You know,
a gun by itself can't do anything to another person
or an animal or whatever. But you put ammunition in
that gun and then you pull the trigger, and that's
where it can do damage. Same thing with our genes, right,
I mean, so our genes are sitting there waiting on
information from the environment, and usually the most readily available
(40:19):
source of information that our genes receive is what we
stick in our mouths. So every time we bend our elbow,
open our mouth and put something in it, that's where
our genes are getting information. And going back to the
polysacrides for a minute, that's where I would argue that
the polysacrides can make such a huge difference in someone's life,
not just from the brain health perspective, but really head
(40:40):
to toe is that these polysacrides have so much coded
information in them that is beneficial, not detrimental. And so
taking these polysacrides every day you are instructing the cells
through the guidance by the genes and how to function properly.
It's a very important tool in your toolbox to utilize
(41:03):
to help you with that. But generally speaking, I mean
we know, just again, don't take my word for it.
Go to PubMed and do your own literature search. If
you look at all the lifestyle data out there, nutrition,
physical activity, exercise, dietary supplementation, smoking or not. Of course
those are very specific behaviors related to certain cancers and
(41:25):
other diseases, use of alcohol, stress management, sweep, you know,
all these different things nutrition And I'm lumping everything about
nutrition under one umbrella of what you you know, your diet,
your supplementation, all these things together. But far and away,
nutrition is the number one lifestyle choice that we can
(41:49):
make good or bad, you know, depending on how you
utilize it to your detriment or to your benefit in
terms of your ultimate health outcome. So certainly that all
the way back you have somebody who does genetic testing,
maybe they have the mutation of the apoe for allele
on one side, or maybe they even have both. Just
(42:12):
you know, again, don't freak out about it. Just be
you know, starting from that point, be very vigilant about
how you take care of yourself, and then hopefully through
your own activity, through your own lifestyle, you will keep
that genetic risk, you know, under the cover, if you will,
lack of a better analogy and not allow it to
(42:34):
express in a way that would ultimately lead you to
having Alzheimer's disease.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know, it's so interesting because you're absolutely right, and
it's important that people hear this because very often people
here get the results of their genetic tests and they
think that's, you know, a life sentence or a death sentence,
like we said, to their lives, and they then start
having these negativity because your attitude and your thoughts create
a reality. And so if you're attracting that kind of
(43:01):
energy of negativity about your genetic results. So with mine,
I had, I said to the people at DNA, the CEO,
how come I have the obesity gene? I said, I've
been a size six since I was in genes and
you said, well, yeah, but that's because you learned early
on to all the nutrients that are important to your
(43:26):
life and you've been very disciplined if you weren't, And
he's right, because a lot of my family members were
very heavy and so it must be something you know, inherited.
My father, however, was not, so he had other issues,
but you know, with stress management and that kind of thing.
But but that, and then they also told me that
(43:49):
I had a dopamine or neurotransmitter slow converter of serotonin
and dopamine. And yet I'm one of the most positive
people you will ever meet. So rather and I'm mentioning
this about me because it does. It does express to
the point of what you're saying that don't take it
(44:09):
as a a sentence. Isn't just an outline. It's a
basic recognize that you are very lucky. Actually, I've converted
this into a very positive and said, wow, it really
does work to be disciplined and to be knowledgeable and
to take action, be proactive about learning, like with discovering
(44:30):
you doctor John is you know one of it really
has been a huge benefit. I want to talk about
that in just a moment, but so I just want
to be sure we express that to people that just
because you get that you know gene, doesn't mean you're
going to get Alzheimer's so or any other condition. That's right.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Well, And the other thing that people should understand is
we have over forty thousand genes. I know, that's you know,
just one gene in the context forty thousand, Like, hey,
you know, people don't get freaked out over one gane
out of forty thousand. You know, there's a lot of things.
(45:09):
There's a lot of activity going on here at the
genetic level, and so you have the opportunity to overcome anything.
And also we get sucked into this notion, and particularly
in our culture of the magic bullet, right like we
want to look for that one thing, yes, that we
can do, or that one thing that's so important over
everything else. That's that's not the way our physiology works.
(45:32):
So just to your point, it's so the approach should
be so comprehensive and should take into consideration lots of
other factors. So don't get misled or excuse me, don't
get caught up into this idea of you know, one
magic bullet or one key. No, it's a lot of
things going into this equation.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Well, that's why it's good segue, because I want to
talk a little bit about what happened to me, because
you were so kind to send me some samples to try,
which I had been routinely using since I received them,
and that's a couple of months. Now. I must say
I like the capsules better because I travel a lot,
(46:12):
and so the daily brain care comes in powder, which
is much more absorbable. I recognize that I much prefer
using powders and liquids for not having to go through
the liver like a capsule does. However, with people who
are busy lives like me, you know, popping a capsule
sometimes easier than the two times a day. But I
(46:35):
just wanted to let you have some feedback publicly that
after I started taking your product along with doctor Gale Brettison,
who is do you know doctor Gale Retison's He's written
the book about ending Alzheimer's, and doctor Dane Goodenow, who
is one of my very close allies and I'm in
(46:56):
his clinical I'm like a protegee to him, so he
gives me all these products that he's the founder of plasmaalagins,
and they're like the fish oils. I mean, I'm being
simplistic because I don't want to spend time on their products.
But what I started taking. I was already taking his plasmalagins,
(47:17):
which you take in the morning and take at night.
And then I started taking your product, and then I
Dale Brettison has the So both of these men are
experts in Alzheimer's and so they Dale Bredicine's companies called
Apollo Health, and he has a product called Neuroq. So
(47:41):
I can't, you know, say, because I was taking all
three if one or the other is better or has
more efficacy with me. But I can tell you that
what started happening, all these memories started coming back. Things
that you know, I hadn't thought about for twenty years
and named the people started popping into my head, like
(48:01):
how did I ever remember that person? I hardly ever
knew them. And then my dreams have been like and technicolor,
much more vivid. And I always used to dream a lot,
but I would never remember them in the morning. Now
it seems like I can remember really vivid details of
the dreams. Sometimes they're not so good because we all
(48:23):
have stress levels and challenges, and sometimes our dreams will
tell us more than you know. Look by doctor Froyes
told us how important the dreams are to our mental health.
But I just wanted people to know that I highly
recommend your product, and maybe people should just do your
product alone and see how that works for them, because
(48:47):
you don't have to be doing what I'm doing, which
is because these are both all three of you have
been guests on my podcast, So I obviously want to
be a steward of and be able to a spokesperson
and be able to speak about my personal experience. So
my question is how long for a healthy person like
me who isn't dealing with thank goodness any issues but
(49:11):
wants to do it proactively? How long should I, as
one individual, one example? How long should people like me
take your product?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
You mean to notice an effect or what?
Speaker 1 (49:24):
No? No, just because we're taking it preventatively.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Right not so so? Oxygen obviously is our first nutrient,
and then we need water after that, and then after
that we need everything else. They sort of fall into place.
But I've been on my own formula for over ten years.
I've had my mother on it for I think Mom's
been on it for about thirteen maybe fourteen years. My
(49:51):
wife started taking it when she was pregnant with our
first child, over five years ago. I started my daughter
on it when she turned six months of age, and
she's going to be four, I'm sorry, five in March.
So I say all that to say that number one,
I'd be a hypocrite if I wasn't taking my own stuff.
But number two, that prevention is to me is as
(50:12):
important as anything else in terms of not to your
point of not wanting to get any health issue. And
I'm glad you don't have any health issue, but this
is not something that you just take and then you know,
you do it for a few months and that's it.
You don't need it anymore. Now this is again just
like oxygen. You need these polysacharides every day and you're
not getting I mean, I don't know about you. We
(50:35):
have alvera growing in our backyard, but I'm not out
there snipping leaves off every day and sucking the gail down.
It tastes nasty, yeah, And it's ninety nine percent water,
so the polysacharide content is so diluted in the water
it's pretty irrelevant. So you know, we've done the hard
work for everybody. We've concentrated it into a powder that
(50:57):
you can take every day and benefit from. And again
I would say that, you know, anybody that want to
take take daily brain care along with whatever else they
take every day, would certainly be adding a tool to
his or her toolbox. That I mean, I stand by
everything that we've done. You know, I didn't. Daily bring
Care is not just some you know, slick marketing idea.
(51:19):
That this is the baby of decades of research that
my colleagues and I have conducted. If I was only
trying to make a lot of money, I did a
very poor job of it because I spent all of
those years at the university not making a lot of
money and doing all of this research. And so this,
this is my inanimate baby that I'm trying to spread
a message of to people. And you know, all this
(51:42):
science that we've published in the peer reviewed literature, and
and so I would just say, you know, you want
to take this for the rest of your life. We
don't know, you know, prevention is kind of the unanswerable question.
We don't know how prevention works until, unfortunately we get
to the end of our lives and then we didn't
die from Alzheimer's, or we didn't die from cancer or
(52:05):
whatever other killer. We don't know that until the very end.
But at least again, you're giving yourself the possibility of
not dying from those things, which to me is very important.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, and you know, when you do your biological age,
which I you know, at a form, they have a
number of different people vendors that are testing you. True
Diagnostics is the one that I've used, and it tells you,
you know, just basically how all your systems are working.
It's really the health of your organs and the functioning
(52:36):
integratively of those rather than your how many years around
the sun have you? And mine came out twenty years younger.
And I know, and I'm just telling people this. I
know it's not just an accident. It wouldn't be that
if I were not so disciplined and proactive about taking
products like yours. So I'm glad you answered that question.
(52:59):
So now I know I have to be your lifetime customer.
And and by the way, everybody you know, if you
go on Amazon, there are so many products that are
not scientifically backed. It's kind of disgusting and I and
I never I'm not saying I want FBA approval for supplements.
That's not not going to that extreme because the FDA
(53:20):
has its own issues. However, I do feel that we
should be very discerning about the supplements that we take
and know that they've been third party tested or they've
had you know, the scientific research like you've done for
for all those years that are backing them up, and
that there's not and that they are what they say
(53:41):
they are, because many of these products have been tested
and found that they don't have they don't contain what
they say they do. So I'm not going against Amazon.
I order there sometimes, but I always make sure that
they who I'm ordering from on Amazon is the company,
not some you know outlaw in China or somewhere that's
(54:02):
mimicking that company. So I think that's really important. Well,
so if people want to order your product on how
do they do that?
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Well, speaking of the Devil, they can order on Amazon
if they prefer that. We have a doctor Lewis Nutrition
store on Amazon, but we actually prefer people come to
our website Doctor Lewis Nutrition dot com. That's Dr no
Period Lewis Lwis Nutrition dot com we have just a
ton of information on that website and they can learn
(54:32):
all about all the research we've conducted, what went into
the creation of Daily brain Care, and as you mentioned,
we have it both in powder and capsule form. We
are under the Doctor Lewis Nutrition channel on all the
typical social media as well, so you can go to
YouTube or Instagram or Facebook or even TikTok. I guess
(54:52):
for the next month or two.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Anyway, let's see, let's see if they can get.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
That exactly, see if that can us. But we have
a lot of videos, especially on the YouTube channel, that
are obviously shorter in nature. They're not as descriptive as
all the information on the website. But we have product reviews,
testimonial videos, all sorts of blogs, all sorts of links
to podcasts like what I'm Doing with You Today. So
really the website is the best source of information for
(55:19):
people who like to read. And if people have questions,
they can email us, they can give us a call.
I'm always happy to help people with personal questions. Although
we have a ton of information. Just on the FAQ
section alone, we have a ton of information, So I
would encourage people to go to our website and learn more.
But again, if they have specific questions, they're more than
(55:40):
welcome to reach out to us.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, and the other thing I want people to know
is this is not some big conglomerate.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You know, this is not definitely not Yeah, this is
one man with a mission who has that right sports
staff and who's passionate about helping people to be healthy.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
So I think that that in itself, the entrepreneurial and
the kind of pioneer and warrior aspect of that is
it's very American, and it's very it's very heartening that
you you have stuck your neck out like you have
to make this possible for all of us. So thank you, John. Well.
So you know we are on all the major podcast sites,
(56:20):
so and we also do reels after we'll be asking
you to collaborate on reel so that we'll be promoting uh,
your who you are on all of our social media.
So we have we have a partnership established. Now you'll
we'll be on yours and you'll be on ours and
more and more if we get the word out to
people that. That's why I spent a few moments saying
(56:43):
about my own personal experience because I think people need
to know that I'm not here. I don't even look
at my podcasts as a commercial enterprise. I look at
it as a philanthropic and that's why I don't do
all these subscriber things like everybody else does, and I don't.
I don't put now now, I will say that, you know,
very often, if you want to do this, we can
(57:04):
talk about it offline, but very often our guests want
to give an incentive for the first time buyers of
their products, just to they you know, give them, you know,
some kind of an initial whatever, whether it's a discount
or a free PDF or whatever. So is that something
you want to do, Let me know that, and I'll
(57:26):
put it on our website as part of people will
be motivated to try. Even it isn't all. It isn't
about price, because your price is a very reasonable and
for what you're getting, so it's not that. But you know,
everybody's watching their pocketbooks right now. So that's right. Oh,
we had a great time. I love talking to you.
(57:47):
I hope you felt the same.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yes, thank you for having me. It's been my pleasure
to be here with you today.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
All right, Well, you go get some sleep and take
care of you. You need to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yes you much, thank you a bit, yeah,
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