May 6, 2025 • 50 mins
Twenty Years of Revenge.
Celebrate 20 years of Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith with Matt & John as they share what the film has meant to them, how it’s held up, and its impact on modern film history. Was this a gold standard set, or a letdown for fans? Are there heroes on both sides…or is there truly something more to this blockbuster of the early 2000s?
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John Mills and Matthew Rushing
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Celebrate 20 years of Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith with Matt & John as they share what the film has meant to them, how it’s held up, and its impact on modern film history. Was this a gold standard set, or a letdown for fans? Are there heroes on both sides…or is there truly something more to this blockbuster of the early 2000s?
Host
John Mills and Matthew Rushing
Welcome to the best Star Wars podcast with unique discussions and special insight! We’re proudly part of a creator-focused podcast network that brings you all the best of Star Trek, the deep-dive exploration of Harry Potter's magical world, the works of film history's greatest directors, and breaking news from top names in the international film and comics industries, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the net Paltea.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
This is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Warmest of welcomes to Aggressive Negotiations, the Star Wars podcast
that explores all of the nooks and crannies and celebrates
every aspect that it can of the Star Wars galaxy.
I am one of the co hosts of this show,
Jedi Master John Mills, and I'm joined on this special
journey where we are commemorating a special anniversary by Jedi
(00:54):
Master Matthew Rushing, my dear friend matt. Of course, we
know why we're here today, we know why we are
going to be having this discussion. We know we know
what we're going to be discussing tonight. But before we
get to that, I want to ask you if there
(01:16):
were one single moment in Star Wars that you would
want to exist within, what would it be?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Wow, that is a great question. I would say there's
one moment. One moment I mean probably frolicking in the
fields of Naboo next to the world's most outrageous waterfall,
(01:47):
climbing and riding on shacks and you know, just rolling
around on the grass with the prettiest senator you've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Fascinating, fascinat I would personally choose probably being on one
of the ships that didn't get destroyed in the opening
battle of Revenge of the Sith, because I think that
would be pretty cool thing to be witnessing. But again,
important qualifier, not destroyed. It's important destroyed, very big, very
(02:22):
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the way, just as everybody else should get out of
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(02:46):
The network is at joy Nerd Party on ex Twitter,
and the Nerd Party on Facebook and Instagram, and probably
others that I've forgotten because I'm a lowly traveler in
this great galaxy. I don't know everything about these socials
and all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Maybe maybe we'll just say the hull in net. But
Matt here, we are celebrating the twentieth anniversary of Revenge
of the Sith. As we record this, we're closing out
the one week long special engagement for episode three that
got the theatrical re release. We know we have some
(03:25):
other items, like the re release of the novelization in
annotated format. We have special releases. For some reason, still
no expanded remastered soundtrack score release. You know, why would
you do that? What sense would that make? That would
just be John makes sense?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, it's just money, money, you could.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't know who needs money. Not Disney apparently definitely
not Disney. No, they don't, they really do.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
They don't like money, they like spending money. They don't
like getting it from me. I don't know. I don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But you know, let's take a minute here, you know,
the figurative minute, and let's really enjoy Revenge of the
Sith the second time. It was the last time that
Star Wars was going to be.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
In the movie theaters.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Recreate for us what it was like for you twenty
years ago with Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Okay, so I probably told a story before somewhere, but
I was working at a insurance agency call center at
the time and some friends of mine and I were
all going to go to the midnight showing at one
of the few digital screens in Dallas. And it's the
(04:48):
you know, early very early afternoon, maybe right after one
or something like that, and our boss lets us go
early so that we can go get in line. That's
what you did then, you had to go get in line,
even for a midnight showing, right And so with my
friends we got in line. I'm wearing my Master Replica's
(05:11):
Obi Wan lightsaber on my hip. You know, I've got
the belt clip. I literally have the same T shirt
twenty years later that I wore when I went and
saw the film that I was wearing. Then the episode
Revenge of the Sith episode like the box version, it's
as you.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Know, And.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So we stand in line for about ten hours or
so so that we can get seats, good seats. I mean,
the line was around the building. You know, it's a
party atmosphere, John, I don't know if you remember what
it was like being in line with a bunch of
Star Wars fans.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh, I remember, you know what. I love your mentioning
that part of it, because you're right, it was festival
atmosphere back then something that's been lost with pre sales.
The festival atmosphere was so much No, no, you're anyway,
You're right.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I mean it really was this party atmosphere. I mean
there there were people there that have been in line,
that had been camped out, you know everything, and so
there were there were raffles going on for lightsabers like
Master Replica's Force Effects lightsabers. I still kicked myself because
if I had spent one more dollar, I would have
(06:28):
won that Master Replica's Darth Vader lightsaber would have been amazing.
And so uh and then you know, we finally get
into the auditorium so that we can wait for the movie.
We've got our seats. There are people you know, down
in front of the screen, lightsaber battling and all of that,
(06:49):
and then of course the place goes dark. The crowd erupts,
you know, as soon as the lucasfilm logo comes on,
and pandemonium as the music swells and the crawl comes,
and I mean it was glorious, you know. I know
you guys talk about this type of thing on house lights,
(07:10):
like if you saw the movie in the theater, and
like I don't always remember you know the times I
saw a movie in a theater, because many times it's
just like, yeah, I went to the theater, I saw
the movie, and you know, but this is indelibly marked
in my brain because it was just so exciting seeing
the prequel trilogy, all three films, you know, especially this
one because you know, this was the end of the
(07:31):
saga at that point. So what about you? What was
what was your experience twenty years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And I know that in the many years of podcasting,
like you said, I'm sure this story has been recounted elsewhere,
but you know what, let's let's recount it for everybody here.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So I was at a very specific point in my life.
I was actually working for an association and we were
having our annual conference in Louisville, Kentucky. It had never
been to louisvill before, and uh so I was married,
not even for a year by that point, and I
was there in Louisville and my wife flew out to
(08:13):
Louisville to meet up with me to go to the
midnight showing. I blew off work events that night because
you know, when you for anybody who hasn't gone through
the conference sort of vibe. There's an expectation, you have
to go out to dinner. You have the mixer, you
have this, you have the thata, blah blah blah. Well,
everybody knew that my wife was in town, and I didn't.
(08:37):
I danced around the idea of where I was going
to be because I didn't want to get in trouble
with my boss. And it was actually my wife's contact
with the Convention Visitors Bureau. Her contact there secured the
tickets for us, took us out to dinner, and then
we actually we ate outdoors. It was very nice, and
(08:58):
then we went into the theater and it was a
very surreal experience because the CVB rep was on one
side of me, which surprised us. We were like, oh,
you're going to be here with us. Cool, great guy.
Don't remember his name. Let's say it was Mark. Sure
it might have been actually, but anyway, and then you know,
my wife is on the other side of me, and
(09:19):
I remember the only thing I really remember. I remember
the seat I was in. I remember it was a
full house. I remember it was twelve or one am,
and I was thinking to myself, Oh my gosh, I
have to be up at five point thirty. This might
have been a bad mistake on my part, but of
course it wasn't. And I remember the title crawl going
(09:39):
and getting choked up during the title crawl because what
I was alluding to before it was the second time,
it was the last time, and we all thought it
was the final time that we were going to get
Star Wars in the movie theater. And it felt like in.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That moment.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I was married, I was at a big grown up
conference sort of thing, and I'm watching the last Star
Wars movie.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It felt like.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Childhood was ending all over again, or second childhood was ending.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
What have you? And I got to ask.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You, like, what did you walk out of the theater
instantly in love with Revenge of the Sith or was
it something where you didn't know how to react to it?
Like walk everybody through that too? Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
No, I mean this was love at first sight. I
mean this this Star Wars movie rocketed up to my
second favorite Star Wars movie at that point. So it
was Empire Strikes Back and then Revenge of the Sith.
I mean, it was that good, and it was kind of,
you know, with all the anticipation for me, this is
(10:49):
everything I hoped it would be coming out the first time,
and you know I felt like that, you know, Lucas
had knocked it out of the park, you know, I mean, gosh,
what was it? I think Nick shared with us that
Camille Paglia speech where she's talking about the end of
(11:13):
Revenge of the Sith and how it's the most operatic
thing that had been done in film in like thirty years,
and it's like, that's how I felt about the movie, right,
That's how I felt about the end, where it was
just the culmination of the years of love of Star
Wars and you know, then it ending on the Twin
(11:34):
Suns and then the music hits and it's just like, Okay,
this is perfect. You know you wanted to just go
home and watch Star Wars at that point, right, so
you could dive into the original trilogy. And so yeah,
I mean for me, it was this is this is
exactly what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What about you?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I mean, I think I know the answer. I'm pretty
sure it was love at first sight for you as well.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, I would like it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
My reaction again, because I'd worked the whole day to
conference blah blahlah blah blah, was honestly the only thing
I could say would be like numb, because it was
I was so tired. But additionally, it was sort of
like when I walked out of Dunkirk, where I was
(12:21):
so overloaded with what I felt about it that I
couldn't express how I felt about it except to know
that I was in love with it immediately. It was
I remember that first breathtaking shot. I still think it's
the best opening shot of any Star Wars film, when
it pans down and it just has the Marshall drums, just.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
The boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And it comes down as the cruiser is going across,
and I just remember from that moment on, I was like, Okay,
we're changing the rules as we go, and having real
like this was out of the gate. This was Lucas
incomplete control of everything. He finally had every tool in
(13:10):
his toolbox he wanted, and he finally put it all together,
and it was It says so many incredible things. I
think it's it is an incredible film. Obviously it moves
me to this day. There are certain things that still
(13:32):
can move make me very emotional, or even move me
to tears when I'm watching it, because, like you said,
the big operatic stuff, And I think that it gets
a fair amount of leeway from even the prequel haters.
They'll give it some love. But you know, honestly, like
someone's we're talking about reactions like, did you run across
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anybody that that disliked it?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Because I have a friend who hates it, who thinks
it's garbage, who thinks it's terrible, who wouldn't couldn't be
bothered watching it, all those sorts of things, has nothing
but problems with it. Did you run across anybody that
was dismissive like that with this?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I don't think I've ever run across anybody who's that
outright dismissive of the film. You know. I've run across
people where, you know, they don't hold it in as
high regard as I do. But I don't think I've
ever run across anybody who just abjectly hates the film.
(14:33):
They're just like, that's terrible, it's the worst.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I think, like you said, it became the film that
was universally, oh, this is absolutely the best of the prequels,
you know, even for those people who didn't like the prequels.
So you know, that that's where I found most people land.
The thing is what I always go back to is
(14:59):
that there was someone I worked with in years after
and she had never seen the prequels and she.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Did. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It was basically one of those things that I was like, listen,
we're coworkers, were, here are the movies. Let's watch them, right,
Let's let's let's have a time, let's hang let's watch
these and you know, because I mean, any any opportunity
you get to sort of like evangelize Star Wars. I'll
never forget when she finally saw episode three, she cried
(15:36):
at the end of it and she was like, you
you didn't She basically said, what was the effect if
you didn't warn me about this? And I was like, well, yeah,
I know. And then when we when we and we
watched it in you know, episode order, and then when
we got to episode four. I'll never forget getting to
the obi Wan Vader fight and her comment being oh, wow,
(15:58):
this is so much deeper than it used to be.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I said, right, isn't this great?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And I like, it hurts my soul that there are
people that are so dismissive of the prequels, but it
hurts me in a tremendous way. Now you know the
gag I always say, like when somebody's like, oh, well
I didn't like that, It's like, I don't make money
on it.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You know, whether you whether somebody likes it or not
is honestly immaterial to me unless I want the intellectual
exercise of discussing it, and I have. You know, I
know people who have those negative reactions to this, and
I mean, I just I struggle with that to this day.
(16:39):
I struggle with any of the prequel hatred to this day.
Is it fair to say, oh, these things could have
been done better? It was a little ambitious for its
time in terms of its effects. He should have taken
twenty years between movies, like James Cameron. Yeah, sure, okay,
I'll listen to your opinions, but I sure as hell
won't agree with them. But did you spoil anything for
(17:01):
yourself beforehand?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Did you? Did you like? How spoiler free? Did you stay?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Because I know that I had a lot of friends
who were at various levels. There were people don't tell
me even a character name, But then there were people
that were saying things like you know what they read
the novelization, listening to the score, read all the behind
the scenes stuff, all that stuff. How spoiler free were
you going into it?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think I was probably and this is man, it's
hard to remember, not point, but I wasn't somebody who
wanted to know what was going to happen in the movie.
And so now I have always been somebody who enjoys
listening to the soundtrack before the movie comes out. That's
that's I like that. Of course, you know, we were
(17:49):
all a little surprised with the Episode one soundtrack when
we looked at the back and really.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
All got burned on that one. Yeah, we all got
burned on that one.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
That was interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
But otherwise, you know, I didn't want to know what
was going to happen in the movie, because part of
you know, going to a film is you know, you're
excited about it, you've seen the trailers or whatever, but
you want to be able to experience the movie on
the big screen and with the crowd and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And so no, I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I wasn't spoiled at which I think, can can we
just talk for a second about, like twenty years later,
what it's like to revisit the film on the big screen,
and even though we all have big screen TVs at home,
there really is something different about seeing, especially a Star
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Wars film on a massive screen.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, you're seeing it in the environment it was composed for.
Like I can listen to Beethoven's Ninth on a record
on streaming anything like that, But if I go and
I see it in concert with a live orchestra, it's
completely different experience. It's the same type of it's the
(19:10):
same piece of the literal exact same piece of music.
I could even hear the same people live who were recorded,
and there is that intangible different energy. Is it because
we know we're in a communal space our brain processes
it differently, or is it I'll be honest with you
(19:32):
this time, I want to ask you about this. This time,
when I was watching in the theater, the sound mix
was better than when I watched it at home. Now
I don't have any fancy sound systems or anything like that,
but there was so much background ambient noise mixed in
that like it sounded brand new to me, where I
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was like whoa, whoa, whoa. This sounds amazing compared to
when I watch it at home. So like and that
in and of itself was crazy, just like even the
incidental stuff. Did you did you notice a marked difference
in like the sound or picture quality?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I think definitely the sound mix. I mean, my wife
and I have a really good sound system at home,
but I mean, you know a movie theater that has
thousands of dollars worth of sound system, you know, it's
completely different. And I think that the other thing picture
(20:33):
wise that I just was realizing is, you know, episode
three especially, and all the prequels are like this, but
Episode three specifically, the screen is so full, right, yeah,
and of things, and I was noticing all of these
things that you just don't normally notice on even a
(20:56):
television screen as large as we have them these days,
because you have that expanse that is just so much
bigger than what you can have at home, and it
draws your eyes to all of these different things on
the screen that you just might not have at home again.
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And so that experience was a thing that really it was.
It wasn't like seeing the movie for the first time,
but completely reminded just how awesome it is to watch
big screen films where they're meant to be seen and
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and so that's the thing that just kind of really
stuck out to me. And you know, I was talking
about to this with I went to the I was
in Phoenix and went and saw the movie with our
friend Nancy, and together we were talking about that, you know,
in the hallway and it was just good night. You know,
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this is it is just a different experience, and that
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It really is. I mean, it's I think even beyond
though anything else.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's just that the fact that the movie theater is
the environment itself is fine tuned for the experience. No
matter how good I make the room where I view
something at home, the room was not built with the
idea of the right sound baffling in the walls or
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on the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like it is. It is a different experience.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I I just I mean, Revenge of the Sith is
a film that, even aside from it being a Star
Wars film, I think is an incredible experience.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Specifically because.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I've said I've said this before, l swear, but I'll
you know, hey, this is the episode to repeat stuff.
I think that the amazing thing about Revenge of the
Sith is I think it caps off the brilliant fact
that every writer writes what they know, and they write
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from their heart. And I really think the prequels are
very autobiographical, whether Lucas realized it or not. And I
always see episode three as a guy musing on the
fact that he got trapped by his own success and power,
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and it's a very abstract apology to his first wife
for the fact that he recognizes that he got consumed
by his own desire to control every thing, and it
just it feels like such a personal note from Lucas.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And I don't know the man.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I've never met the man, but I swear that a
psychoanalyst could sit down and look at this movie and say,
you have the story of somebody who's discovered and immediately
praised for all of this talent that he has. He
finds great success, and he makes fast friendships, he challenges
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the order, he falls in love quickly, and it's a tumultuous,
passionate love and then at the end of it all,
he's trapped forever to be defined by what got him
there in the first place.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And yeah, so I think there.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Is a a an autobiographical thing in there, and then
of course worked in you know, this is consistent with
all of Lucas's and even Spielberg's stuff, which is like
the love of children is what keeps us going, and
it can be adopted children, it can be found family,
it can be you know, it's not just having kids,
it's finding family and the next generation to pass on
(25:15):
the good. There's always hope hanging there. And I think
that's just I mean, Revenge of the Sith is jazz,
and it's jazz poetry. It's it, it is. You know,
I'm a big fan of the beat Nicks. They're writing
at least not necessarily their lives. They could have worked
(25:37):
on that a little bit, but it has that very
loose poetry feeling to it, and it's you know, I mean,
stop me before I keep rambling. I mean, obviously I
adore the film, but like, I think that's what makes
it work. Like I love the fact even that it's
(25:58):
not it's not checking off boxes. Okay, here's well, I'll
maybe I wait into troublesome territory.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think a lot of people, not everybody, but I
think a lot of people wound up loving Rogue One
because it was what they always wanted from the prequels,
which is do the same thing in terms of costume
look and everything like that, just do it with a
bigger budget and make it the world I've already been in.
(26:33):
And the artist himself comes in and says, oh no,
I'm going to break my own rules and I'm going
to make everything look way different, and I'm not going
to tell the story that you expect of me. I'm
going to tell the story that I want to tell,
and it's going to express what I want. And you know,
I think that that might be one of the reasons
(26:55):
why I would love a Revenge of the Sith over
a Rogue One, especially as a prequel, because it's so.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It breaks down its own genre.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, I mean, I don't. I wouldn't even compare the
two to me. They're totally different types of films.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
One is you know, literally a.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm talking about I'm talking about the design cues, right,
I'm talking about the world creating the world that it is.
Do you see what do you see the distinction I'm
throwing there where It's like what we encounter in Rogue
one is, you know, the the uniforms, the guys on
(27:45):
the Jest Star and the imperials and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I just don't think it's the same.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
We never even compare the two because again, they're totally
different types of films that they're trying to do, two
totally different types of things.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
And I think you're being here, Yes they are, but
but you're getting what I'm saying that like people were
hardwired to.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, I I basically like.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
More point that, yes, people desired when they came to
the prequels, people desired basically just same but different, right,
And George was like, that's not the story I'm telling
because that's not how history works. And my universe is
historical in that sense. You know, what things looked like
(28:35):
thirty years ago doesn't look like what things look like today.
They are similar, but the world looks incredibly different than
it did, you know when we even when we were
growing up, right, right, And so the difference then with
and so yeah, I get all that.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
To me, it's it's not necessarily a completely fair comparison
because the two movies and to what they're doing is
and what they're trying to do is totally different.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And so but I didn't mean, I didn't mean to
touch in ner.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
No, No, I'm not I'm not. I'm just to me,
it's kind of more like, it's kind of like more
an apples and oranges type of thing, you know. I
think a better I think a better comparison is honestly
the you know, the sequel trilogy to the original trilogy
or in the prequel trilogy, and how they handle.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Things similar, similar sort of thing. But I'm like just
keeping it within that that prequel sort of vibe, like
and and the fact that Lucas felt so comfortable to
get more and more abstract with his storytelling and do
the time compression and the overlays and all of those
sorts of things where he didn't feel the need to
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be as linear as he had been. That it has
those montages that are mixed around, and so you know, oh,
is is an it kind becoming vader at the literal
exact moment that the babies know it's it's abstract. It's
thematically overlaying scenes exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I mean in that point in point.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
That's where the I mean it truly is an artistic
operatic interpretation of that right like and and I think
that's the the beauty of it is is George transcending
then the kind of historical nature of the films that
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he had placed them in, you know, in the sense
that like they are a history, like if you are
watching a documentary type of thing about this, uh, this
this universe, and it's at that point where it's like
it it it moves from the the linear you know, uh,
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documentary style to the artistic style right of storytelling, as
if somebody in the storytelling of the Star Wars story
just all of a sudden, you know, kind of and
in fact, in many ways, I think Lucas I think
seems to take inspiration almost from the way in which,
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like if you look at the first two chapters of
Genesis and the where they're constructed or whatever, there's, uh,
there's the linear storytelling of it, and then there's a
more operatic type of storytelling to it as you zoom
in on the story of like the creation of humanity.
And so that's almost the sense you get right with
with Lucas is kind of zooming in to the the
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emotional climax of this entire endeavor. And so that's that's
really I think, like you said that that's the absolute
genius that that Lucas is. And you know the fact
that he was willing to do that for the end
of the series as we knew it at that point,
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really just shows that, you know, he is an autaur filmmaker,
you know, in that sense, like he's not playing even
by his necessarily own rules, right and is willing to
just kind of bend or break whatever rules they're necessary
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to tell the story as he wants to tell it.
And I find that pretty interesting, and it's it's one
of those things again to see that then play out
on the big screen again. And I think too, the
thing that really jumped out to me is for the
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most part, how well the effects still hold up twenty
years later overall, especially the Mustafar battle, which you know,
with all the model work they did and all the
shooting they did for the volcano that was going off
in Italy, so they got real shots of real volcanoes
and all that, and then all of that work is
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just you know, it is really good looking.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Seeing it well, I mean that in and of itself,
the Moustafar stuff sitting there, I'm always in awe, especially
of like when they're when the lightsaber fight starts and
they're going through the hallway and there's the you know,
they're hitting the walls and the sparks and the lights
are flying, and I'm sitting there and that intellectual part
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of my brain that knows the story is looking at
it and saying, there was nothing there except tape marks
on the floor. These like, I don't know that anybody
truly appreciates how hard and how far they push the
envelope with this. It reinvented what was possible with film,
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and you know, yeah, the whole prequel trilogy does, but
this one is specific in terms of the you know,
like you're saying, the blending the live footage with the
model work with the CG stuff and getting the lighting
to work alone, what a nightmare?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, and what a nightmare?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
And I think that's the other thing too, You know,
this is one of those places where they just pulled
out all the stops, even just on the lightsaber battle,
you know, and those guys putting in I mean literal
hours and hours and days of their life to get
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this down so that they could they didn't have to
be sped up. They're doing it that fast. And the
beauty of it too, is just that it's this ballet
between these people, these men who know each other backwards
and forwards, and yet now they're tasked with trying to
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kill each other, and it's it's fantastic and it's one
of those things too, where you know, nothing else except
for the animated Star Wars, has really ever been able
to capture the beauty of Lightsaber battles in the same way.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I mean, you have this this re release.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
My youngest was able to see it for the first time,
and I remember at the end of it, you know,
she applauds. I was like, oh, yes, awesome, it's happening.
And we're talking afterward and I said, I was like
that space battle at the beginning, I was pretty great,
wasn't it. And she crinkles up her nose. She goes, yeah,
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it was neat, But I like the lightsaber stuff more.
That's that's what I want to watch. And I was like, okay, cool.
I'm like, that's that's a mark where the kids like, yeah,
that mind blowing space battle is all right, But you know, honestly,
the lights is really why I was there. I was like, yeah,
that's kind of true, and it's that's that's the thing.
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It's like, when when it comes down to it, I know,
I know, I know, people might roll their eyes here,
but people with laser swords having a fight. You'll never
get anything cooler than that ever, ever, And this lightsaber fight, like,
I don't know that you could ever top it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't know if it's possible.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I mean, you know, And that's the again, when I
think of other lightsaber battles that stand out, you know,
other than episode one, you know, it's the ones from
the Clone Wars, right, yes, between of you know, mall
in in Ahsoka or Obi one and mall and uh
(36:48):
what's the Savagial Press you know or uh Savagal Press,
mall and Sidious. I mean, like just the amount of
lightsaber battles that took place that were so incredibly amazing
in the the Clone War series. You know, only those
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battles kind of live up to what we got in
something like episode three. And a big part of that
is because you know, they're mirroring and mimicking and using
that same format and style.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
And you know, of course with the mall Ah Sosoca battle,
they they literally mocapped uh right, you know, and so
and another person doing that battle so that they could
get it as close as possible. So again this is
just you know, Episode three is just incredibly special, and
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I think in beautiful film for what it does and
in the way that it brings the prequel trilogy to
a close. And you know, and I think what's great
about that is the way in which you know, the
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prequel trilogy was so rich that then it could inspire
other things like the Clone Wars and the Bad Batch
and you know, rebels and you know, uh and or
and all of these things, because because it all stems
from the work that was started and done in this
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really great addition to the Star Wars universe. And in
an addition, I would argue, in addition to the Star
Wars universe that is richer, deeper, and more fulfilling than
the original trilogy was, just because of how deep and
resonant and fascinating all of the the matic elements are
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in a way that you know, it's it's not as simplistic,
it's it's one of the reasons why you know, the
film here opens there are heroes on both sides.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, I I've been saying for years and people always
thought it was a bit where I was like, you know,
if you if you stranded me on a Desert Island,
and I can only have one of the Star Wars trilogies.
I'm picking the prequels one hundred percent of the time.
But I think additionally, in terms of spurring.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Those story squel trilogy, I'm sorry what.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
No, I didn't I didn't say that, but the you
know it is that that more abstract, jazzy way of
telling the story, hitting the high notes and then like
because that's the whole thing about jazz.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It's like it's about the notes. They're not playing too.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And I think that there's much more mental participation with
Revenge of the Sith, with the other prequel movies as well.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That goes into that. I think that there's it's just it.
It invites you to be with.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
It, and it is a very rich story. It tells
a huge story, like an absolute epic, and it's so
ruthlessly efficient that Lucas still won't let himself make a
four hour movie. His challenge, you know this one is
two hours and twenty but he still won't let himself indulge.
(40:32):
He could have made a four hour Star Wars movie
and we would have all gone to go see it. Yeah,
I think he could have gone crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
That's the interesting thing about this one too, is that
as if there's anything that could make this movie better
is that it could be longer, because there are there's
some great, great stuff that gets cut, it's on the
cutting room floor that we've seen, you know, in deleted
scenes or whatever, that is so incredibly rich and wonderful,
(40:59):
and uh, just as a Star Wars fan, it kind
of like gets your little heart palpitating, you know, because
it's just so wonderful. Palating, yeah, palpatining, yes. And that's
the only that that's the interesting thing about this This
is so good. It is truly one of those things
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which could only be made better if it was longer,
and mainly because of the things we know that we're
cut that were really kind of pivotal in some ways
just just to the overall general Star Wars story and everything.
And it almost makes me wonder if there isn't a
you know, if Lucas didn't still own lucasfilm, if there
(41:45):
wouldn't be you know, a special edition for the twentieth
anniversary or something where you know, he reinserts some of
that stuff. But I know, I don't ibably not.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
No, I don't think he ever would, and I don't
think he ever would for one very specif reason.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Revenge of the Sith I.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Believe is the only one of his six that never
had anything done to it between release versions.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Ah, did they don't? Did they medal it all with Yoda?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I don't believe they did. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
That's the only thing. I think they might have possibly
just tweaked them model or something.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I know that's true, So.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I don't believe they did.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
But even Attack of the Clones has a little bit
of tweaking happening on it, like with the four K
and stuff or in the Blu Ray all the way
back to the Blu Ray. But like he never fiddled with
Revenge of the Sith. Yeah, and he fiddled with all
other five. And whether you love it or hate it,
I think that that speaks to the fact that like,
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this is the one that that he always considered.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Right good well, and and that's the thing felt it's
perfect as it is, right h So it doesn't need anymore,
I think, just you know, as a fan, I'm sure
one hundred percent, except you know, a longer film, because
I think it would be so great.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Uh and well, the only the only thing they the
only thing they could possibly do to make this experience
even richer would be to recut The Phantom Apprentice and
release that to movie theaters now for the twentieth anniversary.
Like honestly, that yeah, I'm dead serious. That would have
been the ballsy move for Jesse.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
You know, it would be.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
To come in and say, we're going to release Revenge
of the Sith. And by the way, it's going to
be a double feature. Think about just a weekend long
double feature. Release it on a ton of screens. You
can see Revenge of the Sith. You can see the
Phantom Apprentice individually, but then you have one experience where it's,
you know, a couple of special nights. Here watch them both.
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I would eat that up. That would be a easing
to me. To put them both side by side and
have them go like that would have been. That would
have been what I probably should have done. That is,
I probably should have just come straight home and watched
The Phantom Apprentice, just gone right into it, because that
would have been incredibly satisfying.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I agree to do that.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, but you know what else is in I No, no,
I was gonna say, honestly, I'm so excited, you know,
for the next anniversary with you know, a new Hope,
the next anniversary with Attack of the Clones, you know,
And so I'm they better freaking release Attack of the
Clones back in my theater.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
I can't imagine that they wouldn't, you know, And especially too,
because I need the completion of Matt Ferguson's artwork that
he's been doing, because I have all of it so
far and I need it completed for the original six
and so.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yes, just Attack and the Original Star Wars the only two.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
The Original Star Wars will be out for the fiftieth anniversary.
I have no doubt they'll ask him to do that.
And yeah, I've got to have Attack of the Clones
because my office at work needs Attack of the Clones
to complete the set.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
It would never happen, but you know what the absolute
baller move would be to release the nineteen seventy seven
version for the fiftieth anniversary release the version that doesn't
even have a New Hope in the title crawl and
not tell anybody you're doing that, and have him come
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in and just have him go wait what and just
I'd even love it if it had like you know,
Hayden Christensen has his intro before Revenge of the Sith
when it comes back to the theaters and have George
Lucas walk on out, and it's be like, so I
want you to see why I was so unhappy with
this back in nineteen seventy seven, you chumps, and you
can live with the things that I thought didn't work.
(45:56):
Oh and by the way, there was no episode four
back then, So go screw. You paid your money and
like walk it now. Maybe he wouldn't say go screw
at the end. That's maybe me writing for him. If
I were George Lucas, that's that's what I would say,
you know, and do it as a mono track. See,
that's the thing is, I would take it to eleven
in terms of the bit. That would at least a
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nineteen seventy seven version on a film print with the
mono track, and just like you love it, don't you?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Don't you love the mono track? This is original, This
is the one everybody experienced. Yeah, anyway, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Not even any extra three po lines about deactivating the
tractor being oh no, where's that?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah? Sorry, I just well, man, I get the stuff.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Well we could go on forever. But you know, it
was so great to have this back of the theaters.
It was so fun to actually be able to you know,
for I know, for both of us to be able
to celebrate it again, especially since you know, you got
to take your youngest to see it with you, which
what it is an incredibly cool.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Thing to do.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
And you know, getting to go see it with Yancy
and his neph getting to go see it with n
yet getting to go see it with Yancy and his
grandson was super fun. But John, if people wanted to
share the love of episode three with you and just
reminisce about how great it was to see it in
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the theater, where could they.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Find you, Well, gosh, you can find me as Castle Junkie.
I'm sort of back on social media now. I don't know,
but I don't spend nearly enough time online. Maybe question
Mark or maybe I'm happier because I don't spend as
much time online, who knows. But you can also find
me here on the network, co hosting a show called
house Lights with Tristan Merdell and Darren Moser where we
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look at the work of different directors that and drum
Roll as we're recording this. We are very close to
doing a review of all of the directorial works of
George Lucas, So I invite everybody over there to listen
to us.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Do that. Are you going to cover? You know, Star
Wars episode six.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
We're going to do.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
We're gonna, hey, listen, man, Mark Kwand was on set
and directed everything. That's all I gotta say. He might
not have assembled squat after the rough cut, but you know, yeah,
we're gonna all of Lucas's directorial things, and I promise
you it will get spirited as I as I come
(48:36):
out swinging for the Prequels and Revenge of the Sith,
especially coming into that. But Matt, that's where they can
find me. Where can people find you?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Well, you can find me here on aggressive negotiations. As
you know, this is episode three ninety eight, which means
we only have one more episode before we'll hit our
four hundredth episode. We got a very special surprise coming
up for you, and then, gosh, John, we've got new
Star Wars that's going to be coming out with and Or,
(49:07):
which has already started. We're gonna also be able to
talk about Tales of the Underworld, So we are just
I mean, we are firing on you all hyperspace rings.
But you can find me on ex Twitter over at
Matt Rushing zero two, and that's where I'm also any
(49:28):
social media platform just look for Matt Rushing zero two.
If I'm there, you'll find me. You can also find
me here on the network outside aggress to the negotiations outposts,
talking about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series,
one chapter of Time over on the TFM network, doing
a lot of different shows, a lot of Star Trek talk,
plus the six oh two Club, where we love talking
about all of those franchises outside of Star Treks, So
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a lot of Star Wars talk over there with John
as well as a lot of other great franchises. But John,
you know what I'm really in the move for a
Mustafarian hot dog seriously cooks in seconds, delightful, and so
I think it's time to close these negotiations.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Mustafarian hot Dog sounds like maybe a nickname the Emperor
had for Vader when he was mad on him. Master
Russian negotiations are closed.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.
Welcome to the net Paltea.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
This is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Warmest of welcomes to Aggressive Negotiations, the Star Wars podcast
that explores all of the nooks and crannies and celebrates
every aspect that it can of the Star Wars galaxy.
I am one of the co hosts of this show,
Jedi Master John Mills, and I'm joined on this special
journey where we are commemorating a special anniversary by Jedi
(00:54):
Master Matthew Rushing, my dear friend matt. Of course, we
know why we're here today, we know why we are
going to be having this discussion. We know we know
what we're going to be discussing tonight. But before we
get to that, I want to ask you if there
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were one single moment in Star Wars that you would
want to exist within, what would it be?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Wow, that is a great question. I would say there's
one moment. One moment I mean probably frolicking in the
fields of Naboo next to the world's most outrageous waterfall,
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climbing and riding on shacks and you know, just rolling
around on the grass with the prettiest senator you've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Fascinating, fascinat I would personally choose probably being on one
of the ships that didn't get destroyed in the opening
battle of Revenge of the Sith, because I think that
would be pretty cool thing to be witnessing. But again,
important qualifier, not destroyed. It's important destroyed, very big, very
(02:22):
very big qualifier. Got to get that one out of
the way, just as everybody else should get out of
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(02:46):
The network is at joy Nerd Party on ex Twitter,
and the Nerd Party on Facebook and Instagram, and probably
others that I've forgotten because I'm a lowly traveler in
this great galaxy. I don't know everything about these socials
and all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Maybe maybe we'll just say the hull in net. But
Matt here, we are celebrating the twentieth anniversary of Revenge
of the Sith. As we record this, we're closing out
the one week long special engagement for episode three that
got the theatrical re release. We know we have some
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other items, like the re release of the novelization in
annotated format. We have special releases. For some reason, still
no expanded remastered soundtrack score release. You know, why would
you do that? What sense would that make? That would
just be John makes sense?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, it's just money, money, you could.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't know who needs money. Not Disney apparently definitely
not Disney. No, they don't, they really do.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
They don't like money, they like spending money. They don't
like getting it from me. I don't know. I don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But you know, let's take a minute here, you know,
the figurative minute, and let's really enjoy Revenge of the
Sith the second time. It was the last time that
Star Wars was going to be.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
In the movie theaters.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Recreate for us what it was like for you twenty
years ago with Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Okay, so I probably told a story before somewhere, but
I was working at a insurance agency call center at
the time and some friends of mine and I were
all going to go to the midnight showing at one
of the few digital screens in Dallas. And it's the
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you know, early very early afternoon, maybe right after one
or something like that, and our boss lets us go
early so that we can go get in line. That's
what you did then, you had to go get in line,
even for a midnight showing, right And so with my
friends we got in line. I'm wearing my Master Replica's
(05:11):
Obi Wan lightsaber on my hip. You know, I've got
the belt clip. I literally have the same T shirt
twenty years later that I wore when I went and
saw the film that I was wearing. Then the episode
Revenge of the Sith episode like the box version, it's
as you.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Know, And.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So we stand in line for about ten hours or
so so that we can get seats, good seats. I mean,
the line was around the building. You know, it's a
party atmosphere, John, I don't know if you remember what
it was like being in line with a bunch of
Star Wars fans.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh, I remember, you know what. I love your mentioning
that part of it, because you're right, it was festival
atmosphere back then something that's been lost with pre sales.
The festival atmosphere was so much No, no, you're anyway,
You're right.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I mean it really was this party atmosphere. I mean
there there were people there that have been in line,
that had been camped out, you know everything, and so
there were there were raffles going on for lightsabers like
Master Replica's Force Effects lightsabers. I still kicked myself because
if I had spent one more dollar, I would have
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won that Master Replica's Darth Vader lightsaber would have been amazing.
And so uh and then you know, we finally get
into the auditorium so that we can wait for the movie.
We've got our seats. There are people you know, down
in front of the screen, lightsaber battling and all of that,
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and then of course the place goes dark. The crowd erupts,
you know, as soon as the lucasfilm logo comes on,
and pandemonium as the music swells and the crawl comes,
and I mean it was glorious, you know. I know
you guys talk about this type of thing on house lights,
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like if you saw the movie in the theater, and
like I don't always remember you know the times I
saw a movie in a theater, because many times it's
just like, yeah, I went to the theater, I saw
the movie, and you know, but this is indelibly marked
in my brain because it was just so exciting seeing
the prequel trilogy, all three films, you know, especially this
one because you know, this was the end of the
(07:31):
saga at that point. So what about you? What was
what was your experience twenty years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And I know that in the many years of podcasting,
like you said, I'm sure this story has been recounted elsewhere,
but you know what, let's let's recount it for everybody here.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So I was at a very specific point in my life.
I was actually working for an association and we were
having our annual conference in Louisville, Kentucky. It had never
been to louisvill before, and uh so I was married,
not even for a year by that point, and I
was there in Louisville and my wife flew out to
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Louisville to meet up with me to go to the
midnight showing. I blew off work events that night because
you know, when you for anybody who hasn't gone through
the conference sort of vibe. There's an expectation, you have
to go out to dinner. You have the mixer, you
have this, you have the thata, blah blah blah. Well,
everybody knew that my wife was in town, and I didn't.
(08:37):
I danced around the idea of where I was going
to be because I didn't want to get in trouble
with my boss. And it was actually my wife's contact
with the Convention Visitors Bureau. Her contact there secured the
tickets for us, took us out to dinner, and then
we actually we ate outdoors. It was very nice, and
(08:58):
then we went into the theater and it was a
very surreal experience because the CVB rep was on one
side of me, which surprised us. We were like, oh,
you're going to be here with us. Cool, great guy.
Don't remember his name. Let's say it was Mark. Sure
it might have been actually, but anyway, and then you know,
my wife is on the other side of me, and
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I remember the only thing I really remember. I remember
the seat I was in. I remember it was a
full house. I remember it was twelve or one am,
and I was thinking to myself, Oh my gosh, I
have to be up at five point thirty. This might
have been a bad mistake on my part, but of
course it wasn't. And I remember the title crawl going
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and getting choked up during the title crawl because what
I was alluding to before it was the second time,
it was the last time, and we all thought it
was the final time that we were going to get
Star Wars in the movie theater. And it felt like in.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That moment.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I was married, I was at a big grown up
conference sort of thing, and I'm watching the last Star
Wars movie.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
It felt like.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Childhood was ending all over again, or second childhood was ending.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
What have you? And I got to ask.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You, like, what did you walk out of the theater
instantly in love with Revenge of the Sith or was
it something where you didn't know how to react to it?
Like walk everybody through that too? Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
No, I mean this was love at first sight. I
mean this this Star Wars movie rocketed up to my
second favorite Star Wars movie at that point. So it
was Empire Strikes Back and then Revenge of the Sith.
I mean, it was that good, and it was kind of,
you know, with all the anticipation for me, this is
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everything I hoped it would be coming out the first time,
and you know I felt like that, you know, Lucas
had knocked it out of the park, you know, I mean, gosh,
what was it? I think Nick shared with us that
Camille Paglia speech where she's talking about the end of
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Revenge of the Sith and how it's the most operatic
thing that had been done in film in like thirty years,
and it's like, that's how I felt about the movie, right,
That's how I felt about the end, where it was
just the culmination of the years of love of Star
Wars and you know, then it ending on the Twin
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Suns and then the music hits and it's just like, Okay,
this is perfect. You know you wanted to just go
home and watch Star Wars at that point, right, so
you could dive into the original trilogy. And so yeah,
I mean for me, it was this is this is
exactly what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What about you?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I mean, I think I know the answer. I'm pretty
sure it was love at first sight for you as well.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, I would like it.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
My reaction again, because I'd worked the whole day to
conference blah blahlah blah blah, was honestly the only thing
I could say would be like numb, because it was
I was so tired. But additionally, it was sort of
like when I walked out of Dunkirk, where I was
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so overloaded with what I felt about it that I
couldn't express how I felt about it except to know
that I was in love with it immediately. It was
I remember that first breathtaking shot. I still think it's
the best opening shot of any Star Wars film, when
it pans down and it just has the Marshall drums, just.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
The boom boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And it comes down as the cruiser is going across,
and I just remember from that moment on, I was like, Okay,
we're changing the rules as we go, and having real
like this was out of the gate. This was Lucas
incomplete control of everything. He finally had every tool in
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his toolbox he wanted, and he finally put it all together,
and it was It says so many incredible things. I
think it's it is an incredible film. Obviously it moves
me to this day. There are certain things that still
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can move make me very emotional, or even move me
to tears when I'm watching it, because, like you said,
the big operatic stuff, And I think that it gets
a fair amount of leeway from even the prequel haters.
They'll give it some love. But you know, honestly, like
someone's we're talking about reactions like, did you run across
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anybody that that disliked it?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Anybody?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Because I have a friend who hates it, who thinks
it's garbage, who thinks it's terrible, who wouldn't couldn't be
bothered watching it, all those sorts of things, has nothing
but problems with it. Did you run across anybody that
was dismissive like that with this?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I don't think I've ever run across anybody who's that
outright dismissive of the film. You know. I've run across
people where, you know, they don't hold it in as
high regard as I do. But I don't think I've
ever run across anybody who just abjectly hates the film.
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They're just like, that's terrible, it's the worst.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I think, like you said, it became the film that
was universally, oh, this is absolutely the best of the prequels,
you know, even for those people who didn't like the prequels.
So you know, that that's where I found most people land.
The thing is what I always go back to is
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that there was someone I worked with in years after
and she had never seen the prequels and she.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Did. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It was basically one of those things that I was like, listen,
we're coworkers, were, here are the movies. Let's watch them, right,
Let's let's let's have a time, let's hang let's watch
these and you know, because I mean, any any opportunity
you get to sort of like evangelize Star Wars. I'll
never forget when she finally saw episode three, she cried
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at the end of it and she was like, you
you didn't She basically said, what was the effect if
you didn't warn me about this? And I was like, well, yeah,
I know. And then when we when we and we
watched it in you know, episode order, and then when
we got to episode four. I'll never forget getting to
the obi Wan Vader fight and her comment being oh, wow,
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this is so much deeper than it used to be.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I said, right, isn't this great?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And I like, it hurts my soul that there are
people that are so dismissive of the prequels, but it
hurts me in a tremendous way. Now you know the
gag I always say, like when somebody's like, oh, well
I didn't like that, It's like, I don't make money
on it.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You know, whether you whether somebody likes it or not
is honestly immaterial to me unless I want the intellectual
exercise of discussing it, and I have. You know, I
know people who have those negative reactions to this, and
I mean, I just I struggle with that to this day.
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I struggle with any of the prequel hatred to this day.
Is it fair to say, oh, these things could have
been done better? It was a little ambitious for its
time in terms of its effects. He should have taken
twenty years between movies, like James Cameron. Yeah, sure, okay,
I'll listen to your opinions, but I sure as hell
won't agree with them. But did you spoil anything for
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yourself beforehand?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Did you? Did you like? How spoiler free? Did you stay?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Because I know that I had a lot of friends
who were at various levels. There were people don't tell
me even a character name, But then there were people
that were saying things like you know what they read
the novelization, listening to the score, read all the behind
the scenes stuff, all that stuff. How spoiler free were
you going into it?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think I was probably and this is man, it's
hard to remember, not point, but I wasn't somebody who
wanted to know what was going to happen in the movie.
And so now I have always been somebody who enjoys
listening to the soundtrack before the movie comes out. That's
that's I like that. Of course, you know, we were
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all a little surprised with the Episode one soundtrack when
we looked at the back and really.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
All got burned on that one. Yeah, we all got
burned on that one.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
That was interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
But otherwise, you know, I didn't want to know what
was going to happen in the movie, because part of
you know, going to a film is you know, you're
excited about it, you've seen the trailers or whatever, but
you want to be able to experience the movie on
the big screen and with the crowd and everything.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And so no, I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I wasn't spoiled at which I think, can can we
just talk for a second about, like twenty years later,
what it's like to revisit the film on the big screen,
and even though we all have big screen TVs at home,
there really is something different about seeing, especially a Star
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Wars film on a massive screen.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, you're seeing it in the environment it was composed for.
Like I can listen to Beethoven's Ninth on a record
on streaming anything like that, But if I go and
I see it in concert with a live orchestra, it's
completely different experience. It's the same type of it's the
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same piece of the literal exact same piece of music.
I could even hear the same people live who were recorded,
and there is that intangible different energy. Is it because
we know we're in a communal space our brain processes
it differently, or is it I'll be honest with you
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this time, I want to ask you about this. This time,
when I was watching in the theater, the sound mix
was better than when I watched it at home. Now
I don't have any fancy sound systems or anything like that,
but there was so much background ambient noise mixed in
that like it sounded brand new to me, where I
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was like whoa, whoa, whoa. This sounds amazing compared to
when I watch it at home. So like and that
in and of itself was crazy, just like even the
incidental stuff. Did you did you notice a marked difference
in like the sound or picture quality?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I think definitely the sound mix. I mean, my wife
and I have a really good sound system at home,
but I mean, you know a movie theater that has
thousands of dollars worth of sound system, you know, it's
completely different. And I think that the other thing picture
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wise that I just was realizing is, you know, episode
three especially, and all the prequels are like this, but
Episode three specifically, the screen is so full, right, yeah,
and of things, and I was noticing all of these
things that you just don't normally notice on even a
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television screen as large as we have them these days,
because you have that expanse that is just so much
bigger than what you can have at home, and it
draws your eyes to all of these different things on
the screen that you just might not have at home again.
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And so that experience was a thing that really it was.
It wasn't like seeing the movie for the first time,
but completely reminded just how awesome it is to watch
big screen films where they're meant to be seen and
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and so that's the thing that just kind of really
stuck out to me. And you know, I was talking
about to this with I went to the I was
in Phoenix and went and saw the movie with our
friend Nancy, and together we were talking about that, you know,
in the hallway and it was just good night. You know,
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this is it is just a different experience, and that
is crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It really is. I mean, it's I think even beyond
though anything else.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's just that the fact that the movie theater is
the environment itself is fine tuned for the experience. No
matter how good I make the room where I view
something at home, the room was not built with the
idea of the right sound baffling in the walls or
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on the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Like it is. It is a different experience.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I I just I mean, Revenge of the Sith is
a film that, even aside from it being a Star
Wars film, I think is an incredible experience.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Specifically because.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I've said I've said this before, l swear, but I'll
you know, hey, this is the episode to repeat stuff.
I think that the amazing thing about Revenge of the
Sith is I think it caps off the brilliant fact
that every writer writes what they know, and they write
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from their heart. And I really think the prequels are
very autobiographical, whether Lucas realized it or not. And I
always see episode three as a guy musing on the
fact that he got trapped by his own success and power,
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and it's a very abstract apology to his first wife
for the fact that he recognizes that he got consumed
by his own desire to control every thing, and it
just it feels like such a personal note from Lucas.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And I don't know the man.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I've never met the man, but I swear that a
psychoanalyst could sit down and look at this movie and say,
you have the story of somebody who's discovered and immediately
praised for all of this talent that he has. He
finds great success, and he makes fast friendships, he challenges
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the order, he falls in love quickly, and it's a tumultuous,
passionate love and then at the end of it all,
he's trapped forever to be defined by what got him
there in the first place.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And yeah, so I think there.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Is a a an autobiographical thing in there, and then
of course worked in you know, this is consistent with
all of Lucas's and even Spielberg's stuff, which is like
the love of children is what keeps us going, and
it can be adopted children, it can be found family,
it can be you know, it's not just having kids,
it's finding family and the next generation to pass on
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the good. There's always hope hanging there. And I think
that's just I mean, Revenge of the Sith is jazz,
and it's jazz poetry. It's it, it is. You know,
I'm a big fan of the beat Nicks. They're writing
at least not necessarily their lives. They could have worked
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on that a little bit, but it has that very
loose poetry feeling to it, and it's you know, I mean,
stop me before I keep rambling. I mean, obviously I
adore the film, but like, I think that's what makes
it work. Like I love the fact even that it's
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not it's not checking off boxes. Okay, here's well, I'll
maybe I wait into troublesome territory.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think a lot of people, not everybody, but I
think a lot of people wound up loving Rogue One
because it was what they always wanted from the prequels,
which is do the same thing in terms of costume
look and everything like that, just do it with a
bigger budget and make it the world I've already been in.
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And the artist himself comes in and says, oh no,
I'm going to break my own rules and I'm going
to make everything look way different, and I'm not going
to tell the story that you expect of me. I'm
going to tell the story that I want to tell,
and it's going to express what I want. And you know,
I think that that might be one of the reasons
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why I would love a Revenge of the Sith over
a Rogue One, especially as a prequel, because it's so.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It breaks down its own genre.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, I mean, I don't. I wouldn't even compare the
two to me. They're totally different types of films.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
One is you know, literally a.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm talking about I'm talking about the design cues, right,
I'm talking about the world creating the world that it is.
Do you see what do you see the distinction I'm
throwing there where It's like what we encounter in Rogue
one is, you know, the the uniforms, the guys on
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the Jest Star and the imperials and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I just don't think it's the same.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
We never even compare the two because again, they're totally
different types of films that they're trying to do, two
totally different types of things.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
And I think you're being here, Yes they are, but
but you're getting what I'm saying that like people were
hardwired to.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, I I basically like.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
More point that, yes, people desired when they came to
the prequels, people desired basically just same but different, right,
And George was like, that's not the story I'm telling
because that's not how history works. And my universe is
historical in that sense. You know, what things looked like
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thirty years ago doesn't look like what things look like today.
They are similar, but the world looks incredibly different than
it did, you know when we even when we were
growing up, right, right, And so the difference then with
and so yeah, I get all that.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
To me, it's it's not necessarily a completely fair comparison
because the two movies and to what they're doing is
and what they're trying to do is totally different.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And so but I didn't mean, I didn't mean to
touch in ner.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
No, No, I'm not I'm not. I'm just to me,
it's kind of more like, it's kind of like more
an apples and oranges type of thing, you know. I
think a better I think a better comparison is honestly
the you know, the sequel trilogy to the original trilogy
or in the prequel trilogy, and how they handle.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Things similar, similar sort of thing. But I'm like just
keeping it within that that prequel sort of vibe, like
and and the fact that Lucas felt so comfortable to
get more and more abstract with his storytelling and do
the time compression and the overlays and all of those
sorts of things where he didn't feel the need to
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be as linear as he had been. That it has
those montages that are mixed around, and so you know, oh,
is is an it kind becoming vader at the literal
exact moment that the babies know it's it's abstract. It's
thematically overlaying scenes exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I mean in that point in point.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
That's where the I mean it truly is an artistic
operatic interpretation of that right like and and I think
that's the the beauty of it is is George transcending
then the kind of historical nature of the films that
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he had placed them in, you know, in the sense
that like they are a history, like if you are
watching a documentary type of thing about this, uh, this
this universe, and it's at that point where it's like
it it it moves from the the linear you know, uh,
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documentary style to the artistic style right of storytelling, as
if somebody in the storytelling of the Star Wars story
just all of a sudden, you know, kind of and
in fact, in many ways, I think Lucas I think
seems to take inspiration almost from the way in which,
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like if you look at the first two chapters of
Genesis and the where they're constructed or whatever, there's, uh,
there's the linear storytelling of it, and then there's a
more operatic type of storytelling to it as you zoom
in on the story of like the creation of humanity.
And so that's almost the sense you get right with
with Lucas is kind of zooming in to the the
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emotional climax of this entire endeavor. And so that's that's
really I think, like you said that that's the absolute
genius that that Lucas is. And you know the fact
that he was willing to do that for the end
of the series as we knew it at that point,
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really just shows that, you know, he is an autaur filmmaker,
you know, in that sense, like he's not playing even
by his necessarily own rules, right and is willing to
just kind of bend or break whatever rules they're necessary
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to tell the story as he wants to tell it.
And I find that pretty interesting, and it's it's one
of those things again to see that then play out
on the big screen again. And I think too, the
thing that really jumped out to me is for the
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most part, how well the effects still hold up twenty
years later overall, especially the Mustafar battle, which you know,
with all the model work they did and all the
shooting they did for the volcano that was going off
in Italy, so they got real shots of real volcanoes
and all that, and then all of that work is
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just you know, it is really good looking.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Seeing it well, I mean that in and of itself,
the Moustafar stuff sitting there, I'm always in awe, especially
of like when they're when the lightsaber fight starts and
they're going through the hallway and there's the you know,
they're hitting the walls and the sparks and the lights
are flying, and I'm sitting there and that intellectual part
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of my brain that knows the story is looking at
it and saying, there was nothing there except tape marks
on the floor. These like, I don't know that anybody
truly appreciates how hard and how far they push the
envelope with this. It reinvented what was possible with film,
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and you know, yeah, the whole prequel trilogy does, but
this one is specific in terms of the you know,
like you're saying, the blending the live footage with the
model work with the CG stuff and getting the lighting
to work alone, what a nightmare?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, and what a nightmare?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
And I think that's the other thing too, You know,
this is one of those places where they just pulled
out all the stops, even just on the lightsaber battle,
you know, and those guys putting in I mean literal
hours and hours and days of their life to get
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this down so that they could they didn't have to
be sped up. They're doing it that fast. And the
beauty of it too, is just that it's this ballet
between these people, these men who know each other backwards
and forwards, and yet now they're tasked with trying to
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kill each other, and it's it's fantastic and it's one
of those things too, where you know, nothing else except
for the animated Star Wars, has really ever been able
to capture the beauty of Lightsaber battles in the same way.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I mean, you have this this re release.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
My youngest was able to see it for the first time,
and I remember at the end of it, you know,
she applauds. I was like, oh, yes, awesome, it's happening.
And we're talking afterward and I said, I was like
that space battle at the beginning, I was pretty great,
wasn't it. And she crinkles up her nose. She goes, yeah,
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it was neat, But I like the lightsaber stuff more.
That's that's what I want to watch. And I was like, okay, cool.
I'm like, that's that's a mark where the kids like, yeah,
that mind blowing space battle is all right, But you know, honestly,
the lights is really why I was there. I was like, yeah,
that's kind of true, and it's that's that's the thing.
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It's like, when when it comes down to it, I know,
I know, I know, people might roll their eyes here,
but people with laser swords having a fight. You'll never
get anything cooler than that ever, ever, And this lightsaber fight, like,
I don't know that you could ever top it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't know if it's possible.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I mean, you know, And that's the again, when I
think of other lightsaber battles that stand out, you know,
other than episode one, you know, it's the ones from
the Clone Wars, right, yes, between of you know, mall
in in Ahsoka or Obi one and mall and uh
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what's the Savagial Press you know or uh Savagal Press,
mall and Sidious. I mean, like just the amount of
lightsaber battles that took place that were so incredibly amazing
in the the Clone War series. You know, only those
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battles kind of live up to what we got in
something like episode three. And a big part of that
is because you know, they're mirroring and mimicking and using
that same format and style.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
And you know, of course with the mall Ah Sosoca battle,
they they literally mocapped uh right, you know, and so
and another person doing that battle so that they could
get it as close as possible. So again this is
just you know, Episode three is just incredibly special, and
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I think in beautiful film for what it does and
in the way that it brings the prequel trilogy to
a close. And you know, and I think what's great
about that is the way in which you know, the
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prequel trilogy was so rich that then it could inspire
other things like the Clone Wars and the Bad Batch
and you know, rebels and you know, uh and or
and all of these things, because because it all stems
from the work that was started and done in this
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really great addition to the Star Wars universe. And in
an addition, I would argue, in addition to the Star
Wars universe that is richer, deeper, and more fulfilling than
the original trilogy was, just because of how deep and
resonant and fascinating all of the the matic elements are
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in a way that you know, it's it's not as simplistic,
it's it's one of the reasons why you know, the
film here opens there are heroes on both sides.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, I I've been saying for years and people always
thought it was a bit where I was like, you know,
if you if you stranded me on a Desert Island,
and I can only have one of the Star Wars trilogies.
I'm picking the prequels one hundred percent of the time.
But I think additionally, in terms of spurring.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Those story squel trilogy, I'm sorry what.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
No, I didn't I didn't say that, but the you
know it is that that more abstract, jazzy way of
telling the story, hitting the high notes and then like
because that's the whole thing about jazz.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It's like it's about the notes. They're not playing too.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And I think that there's much more mental participation with
Revenge of the Sith, with the other prequel movies as well.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That goes into that. I think that there's it's just it.
It invites you to be with.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
It, and it is a very rich story. It tells
a huge story, like an absolute epic, and it's so
ruthlessly efficient that Lucas still won't let himself make a
four hour movie. His challenge, you know this one is
two hours and twenty but he still won't let himself indulge.
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He could have made a four hour Star Wars movie
and we would have all gone to go see it. Yeah,
I think he could have gone crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
That's the interesting thing about this one too, is that
as if there's anything that could make this movie better
is that it could be longer, because there are there's
some great, great stuff that gets cut, it's on the
cutting room floor that we've seen, you know, in deleted
scenes or whatever, that is so incredibly rich and wonderful,
(40:59):
and uh, just as a Star Wars fan, it kind
of like gets your little heart palpitating, you know, because
it's just so wonderful. Palating, yeah, palpatining, yes. And that's
the only that that's the interesting thing about this This
is so good. It is truly one of those things
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which could only be made better if it was longer,
and mainly because of the things we know that we're
cut that were really kind of pivotal in some ways
just just to the overall general Star Wars story and everything.
And it almost makes me wonder if there isn't a
you know, if Lucas didn't still own lucasfilm, if there
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wouldn't be you know, a special edition for the twentieth
anniversary or something where you know, he reinserts some of
that stuff. But I know, I don't ibably not.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
No, I don't think he ever would, and I don't
think he ever would for one very specif reason.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Revenge of the Sith I.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Believe is the only one of his six that never
had anything done to it between release versions.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Ah, did they don't? Did they medal it all with Yoda?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I don't believe they did. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
That's the only thing. I think they might have possibly
just tweaked them model or something.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I know that's true, So.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I don't believe they did.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
But even Attack of the Clones has a little bit
of tweaking happening on it, like with the four K
and stuff or in the Blu Ray all the way
back to the Blu Ray. But like he never fiddled with
Revenge of the Sith. Yeah, and he fiddled with all
other five. And whether you love it or hate it,
I think that that speaks to the fact that like,
(42:49):
this is the one that that he always considered.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Right good well, and and that's the thing felt it's
perfect as it is, right h So it doesn't need anymore,
I think, just you know, as a fan, I'm sure
one hundred percent, except you know, a longer film, because
I think it would be so great.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Uh and well, the only the only thing they the
only thing they could possibly do to make this experience
even richer would be to recut The Phantom Apprentice and
release that to movie theaters now for the twentieth anniversary.
Like honestly, that yeah, I'm dead serious. That would have
been the ballsy move for Jesse.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
You know, it would be.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
To come in and say, we're going to release Revenge
of the Sith. And by the way, it's going to
be a double feature. Think about just a weekend long
double feature. Release it on a ton of screens. You
can see Revenge of the Sith. You can see the
Phantom Apprentice individually, but then you have one experience where it's,
you know, a couple of special nights. Here watch them both.
(43:57):
I would eat that up. That would be a easing
to me. To put them both side by side and
have them go like that would have been. That would
have been what I probably should have done. That is,
I probably should have just come straight home and watched
The Phantom Apprentice, just gone right into it, because that
would have been incredibly satisfying.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I agree to do that.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, but you know what else is in I No, no,
I was gonna say, honestly, I'm so excited, you know,
for the next anniversary with you know, a new Hope,
the next anniversary with Attack of the Clones, you know,
And so I'm they better freaking release Attack of the
Clones back in my theater.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
I can't imagine that they wouldn't, you know, And especially too,
because I need the completion of Matt Ferguson's artwork that
he's been doing, because I have all of it so
far and I need it completed for the original six
and so.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yes, just Attack and the Original Star Wars the only two.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
The Original Star Wars will be out for the fiftieth anniversary.
I have no doubt they'll ask him to do that.
And yeah, I've got to have Attack of the Clones
because my office at work needs Attack of the Clones
to complete the set.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
It would never happen, but you know what the absolute
baller move would be to release the nineteen seventy seven
version for the fiftieth anniversary release the version that doesn't
even have a New Hope in the title crawl and
not tell anybody you're doing that, and have him come
(45:34):
in and just have him go wait what and just
I'd even love it if it had like you know,
Hayden Christensen has his intro before Revenge of the Sith
when it comes back to the theaters and have George
Lucas walk on out, and it's be like, so I
want you to see why I was so unhappy with
this back in nineteen seventy seven, you chumps, and you
can live with the things that I thought didn't work.
(45:56):
Oh and by the way, there was no episode four
back then, So go screw. You paid your money and
like walk it now. Maybe he wouldn't say go screw
at the end. That's maybe me writing for him. If
I were George Lucas, that's that's what I would say,
you know, and do it as a mono track. See,
that's the thing is, I would take it to eleven
in terms of the bit. That would at least a
(46:17):
nineteen seventy seven version on a film print with the
mono track, and just like you love it, don't you?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Don't you love the mono track? This is original, This
is the one everybody experienced. Yeah, anyway, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Not even any extra three po lines about deactivating the
tractor being oh no, where's that?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah? Sorry, I just well, man, I get the stuff.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Well we could go on forever. But you know, it
was so great to have this back of the theaters.
It was so fun to actually be able to you know,
for I know, for both of us to be able
to celebrate it again, especially since you know, you got
to take your youngest to see it with you, which
what it is an incredibly cool.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Thing to do.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
And you know, getting to go see it with Yancy
and his neph getting to go see it with n
yet getting to go see it with Yancy and his
grandson was super fun. But John, if people wanted to
share the love of episode three with you and just
reminisce about how great it was to see it in
(47:22):
the theater, where could they.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Find you, Well, gosh, you can find me as Castle Junkie.
I'm sort of back on social media now. I don't know,
but I don't spend nearly enough time online. Maybe question
Mark or maybe I'm happier because I don't spend as
much time online, who knows. But you can also find
me here on the network, co hosting a show called
house Lights with Tristan Merdell and Darren Moser where we
(47:45):
look at the work of different directors that and drum
Roll as we're recording this. We are very close to
doing a review of all of the directorial works of
George Lucas, So I invite everybody over there to listen
to us.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Do that. Are you going to cover? You know, Star
Wars episode six.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
We're going to do.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
We're gonna, hey, listen, man, Mark Kwand was on set
and directed everything. That's all I gotta say. He might
not have assembled squat after the rough cut, but you know, yeah,
we're gonna all of Lucas's directorial things, and I promise
you it will get spirited as I as I come
(48:36):
out swinging for the Prequels and Revenge of the Sith,
especially coming into that. But Matt, that's where they can
find me. Where can people find you?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Well, you can find me here on aggressive negotiations. As
you know, this is episode three ninety eight, which means
we only have one more episode before we'll hit our
four hundredth episode. We got a very special surprise coming
up for you, and then, gosh, John, we've got new
Star Wars that's going to be coming out with and Or,
(49:07):
which has already started. We're gonna also be able to
talk about Tales of the Underworld, So we are just
I mean, we are firing on you all hyperspace rings.
But you can find me on ex Twitter over at
Matt Rushing zero two, and that's where I'm also any
(49:28):
social media platform just look for Matt Rushing zero two.
If I'm there, you'll find me. You can also find
me here on the network outside aggress to the negotiations outposts,
talking about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series,
one chapter of Time over on the TFM network, doing
a lot of different shows, a lot of Star Trek talk,
plus the six oh two Club, where we love talking
about all of those franchises outside of Star Treks, So
(49:49):
a lot of Star Wars talk over there with John
as well as a lot of other great franchises. But John,
you know what I'm really in the move for a
Mustafarian hot dog seriously cooks in seconds, delightful, and so
I think it's time to close these negotiations.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Mustafarian hot Dog sounds like maybe a nickname the Emperor
had for Vader when he was mad on him. Master
Russian negotiations are closed.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
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