July 15, 2025 • 26 mins
Sheev Palpatine Phone Home.
John & Matt play Galactic Realtors in this week’s show, searching for the perfect place to have served as Palpatine’s abode! Did he live in modest quarters below the Senate? Was the Jedi Temple his vindictive Palace of Pleasure? Would he have returned home and lived on Naboo just to give more pain to Vader?
Where do YOU think Palpatine lived?
Hosts
John Mills and Matthew Rushing
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John & Matt play Galactic Realtors in this week’s show, searching for the perfect place to have served as Palpatine’s abode! Did he live in modest quarters below the Senate? Was the Jedi Temple his vindictive Palace of Pleasure? Would he have returned home and lived on Naboo just to give more pain to Vader?
Where do YOU think Palpatine lived?
Hosts
John Mills and Matthew Rushing
You’ve found the best Star Wars podcast with one-of-a-kind discussions in the spirit of fun! While you’re here, look around our creator-focused network of podcasts with all the best of Star Trek, a deep-dive read of Harry Potter's magical world, analysis of film's greatest directors, and breaking news from top names in international film festivals, and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Node Palty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
This is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch. And you
are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
That's right, you're an Aggressive Negotiations, the Star Wars podcast
that explores the Star Wars galaxy, that galaxy far far away,
a little differently than other Star Wars shows. I am
one of your humble hosts, Jedi Master John Mills, and
joining me on this journey of great exploration is the
intrepid Jedi Master Matthew Rushing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Matt, are you ready.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
To get rollin' with the deep dive topic as they
like to say here on Aggressive Negotiations?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well? I am.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But for a second there, I thought you were going
to talk about the great expectation, and then I wasn't
sure if you were. You know, we were doing Charles
Diggins podcast, and I was a little confused. But yeah,
I'm with you now. I'm so ready. I think we
actually have a really fun, lively talk at tonight, as
we are so often do for our listeners. So I'm
(01:17):
excited for everybody who's listening.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I'm excited for everybody who's listening as well. Because they
made a good choice, and another good choice that could
make is go over to Apple Podcasts and give us
a star rating and review. We appreciate it. We really
really do. We do this for the love of the game.
As we like to say, We have a couple of
emails we want to get around to. But I'll tell
you it has been some really great topics thrown at us,
but it has been very, very difficult to sort of
(01:41):
organize things. I'll tell you the hyperspace lanes have been
absolutely hectic lately, So thank you for bearing with us.
But we have a topic here that I think is
gonna be really interesting to explore because I'm listening right
now to the new audiobook recording of Shadows of the Empire. Yes,
and there's there's a lot of good stuff in there,
(02:02):
Like it's just it's a even if it's not great literature,
like Charles Dickens, who we were referencing earlier, it's still
really enjoyable. As Steve Perry, not the lead singer of Journey,
wrote the book and just really got the characterizations down.
It's a lot of fun and the new audiobook is
wonderful too. But it got me to thinking we have
(02:24):
different interactions. Moostafar doesn't exist at the time that this
book has written, so we don't.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Have Vader's castle.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
But then I was thinking to myself, when we're on Coruscant,
where is the Emperor living? Hmmm, like where would it
make sense for him to live in the original trilogy
era on Corussant.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, I mean, I love that you're asking this question
because it was something, you know, the moment that you
brought it up, I started thinking about this idea, and
I honestly can't remember, but because if memory serves, I
feel like, uh that in the X Wing books, when
(03:10):
you know, the whole that whole series is really leading
up to them to retaking Courissant, and I feel like
when they got to Coorissant that the Emperor had turned
the Jedi Temple basically into his own personal like museum,
and and you know, I don't know, you know, if
(03:30):
it's it's still true and Cannon, but I feel like
as well that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That it was.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
The eu version that the the Jedi Temple had been
placed on kind of a dark side nexus of the
force as well, like as if to cover it or something.
And so I've always thought that you know, the idea
of the Emperor kind of utilizing the Jedi Temple is
(04:00):
his own personal like bragging rights, you know, and turning
it into basically his own private domain that nobody is
allowed to enter anymore. Uh, and that you know, he's
continued his research that he's been doing that. We know
(04:21):
that he's been doing uh and those type of things.
And you know, I like to think that, you know,
he turned what was once uh the the Jedi Council
chambers in his own personal bedroom, you know, just as
a you know, middle finger to the Jedi. And so
(04:41):
that was that was my first thought, is is where
Palpatine would live? Because it just seems so petty and
vigndictive and so Palpatine really, you.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Know, I think that there's a lot of merit to that.
I have to go back and reread the x Wing
novel because I no.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I was just thinking that too. I was like, I
should just go back and reread those.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I could have sworn with them, pre dating the prequels
at least to some extent. I have to go back
and re explore the expression of Corescant back then, because
I know that a lot of the visualization around Coroissant
was not complete city planet. Like there's more natural life
(05:25):
on Coroiscant in the EU of the nineties than there
is in the Clone Wars or you know, even the
prequel books. And I think that there's a lot of
merit to the Emperor using the Jedi Temple as an
administrative building, because what do you do when you have
(05:47):
some sort of authoritarian regime takeover is they come in
and they erase history. And so this would make even
sense in terms of racing history where people if they say, oh, no,
that was the you know, the Jedi Temple, Where was
the Jedi Temple? That No, that's that's the Imperial you know, uh,
(06:09):
city Hall or whatever that that that couldn't have been it.
It had to be somewhere else, and suddenly nobody can
remember where it was in terms of the Emperor living there.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Though I love the idea and I but I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Latch onto it for one specific reason, and that's because
I think it's even more heartless, even more soulless, to
completely strip it of anything except a sterile bureaucratic function. Yeah,
it doesn't even give it the dignity of hating it
openly it's just a building. It's a it's it's just
(06:45):
a stupid building that nobody likes.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
To go to.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's like the d m V on Corruson or something
like that, right where it's like they suddenly turned it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Give you Okay, that's that's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I love that, And I think you know, and we
can't put him. We can't put him underground because of course,
like we all know that, in the original treatment for
or the original development, I mean in pre production too,
for Return of the Jedi, they had him in a
(07:18):
lava field underneath the city and that's too Moostafar now,
so we can't really cross over there. So let me
ask you this question, did he live on Coroiscant at all?
Because I have another idea, but I want to see
I want to just throw the question at you. If
(07:39):
he didn't live on Coroiscant, where would you have him live.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, that's a great question because you don't get the
sense that it would be like Naboo, right, that that
feels that doesn't feel right for Palpatine. And you know,
of course, you know Mustafar also isn't right for Palpatine.
That's that's not going to be the place that he lives.
(08:06):
You know, that's that's the planet he kind of makes
Vader live on to to you know, get him to
over exercise the demons of that place. And so yeah,
I mean, ah my gosh, where.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
See I know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
But before you move forward, though, the Emperor living on
Naboo makes sense because that is that's sticking a thumb
in Vader's eye. You make Vader live on Moosafar where
he gets totally messed up by his best friend. Yes,
and then you live on Naboo where you're like, oh,
look at this beautiful place that looks like the life
you thought you could have had.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh, but it's mine.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Like that feels like a Sith type of thing to
just give the middle finger to his own apprentice.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
See I I think you know, I hadn't thought of
it that way, But you discussing it like that actually
makes sense because it is kind of the double bird
basically that he's being he's giving to Vader of like, oh,
I'm making you live on Mustafar basically, h like, I've
(09:14):
given you that planet as if it's some like great
thing to be given.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And but I live on the place that you know,
your wife was from uh and so that.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Oh what if he even lived in the lake house,
Like what if that was his private residence?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Right, that would be awesome, that would be freaking awesome.
Even the Theberri family like comes to great misfortune and then.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
He just sees like, oh I got that, I got
it in a steel.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, that's a you saying that. Does the Naberi family
just disappear from history?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yes, oh god, yes, Oh there's no way. There's no
way Palpatine lets them exist. No, there, they're they're a
memory of better times. Like again, it may by disappearing
people that are tied to people in the past, right
as Stalin did it. You know, North Korea does it now,
(10:11):
Like they disappear people so that when people are trying
to remember what was happening, they can't anymore. They get
them out of the records. But then additionally, it's a
clear sign you step out of line. You don't even
exist anymore, you will, history won't even consider you a footnote.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
You just you're not there. Like that's you know, creepy
and terrible to begin with.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But no, I mean you agree, I'm thinking I mean
and the Beery's got to go right.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, I mean, see, I kind of you know, when
I asked the question, I was thinking, I just don't
see I don't see them living, right, Like, I feel
like Palpatine finds a way to take them out. And
mainly it feels as though you don't want anybody who
(11:02):
possibly could know the truth about Anakin and padme. And
you know, even though you know it was not seen
in the film, right we we did not see uh
Anakin visit her family? Uh me too, me too, But
(11:22):
but that doesn't mean that the possibility that that happened
isn't there? Right that that that and especially too right
in attack of the Clones. I can't imagine that her
family doesn't know, uh you know that she is in danger,
uh and that you know, it just feels as though
(11:46):
they would have known a lot of those details, right,
and they could have put more pieces together easily. And
so no, I think you're absolutely right that Palpatine is
not going to let them live. And again, this sticking
the eye to Vader really is you know, the possibility
of him living there, which I think you know is
(12:10):
such a fascinating thing. I also, you know, I also
have always wondered, you know, we tend to you know,
in in and Or, actually we never saw Palpatine be
in the Senate, but in in you know, in episode three, right,
(12:31):
we saw that he has underneath the Senate, you know,
he has his layer basically of the High Chancellor or
of the Chancellor the Republic at that point. And that
also makes me kind of wonder is it did then
is the possibility that he expanded that under the rotunda
(12:55):
and and and this gets into kind of a more
esoteric thought. And the reason would be is because even
though he's not necessarily seen in the Senate much, his
ability to sway through the dark side the Senate and
its dealings with him being underneath the Senate building allows
(13:19):
him to be able to do something like that. So
you know, he's subtly influencing senators throughout the force, which
I think, you know, to me seems like a plausibility
and actually, you know, not out of the realm of
possibility for somebody like Palpatine to want to do, because
you know, he loves to control things.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The idea has a lot of merit.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I think that Palpatine atter a certain point doesn't need
to exert the dark side on the Senate. It just happens,
I mean, if anything as well, and they definitely don't
go this route in anything we've seen on screen, But
in my brain, I think that Palpatine also eventually starts
whittling down the Senate so that the number of people
(14:07):
in that August body gets smaller and smaller, so that
he can keep the power concentrated on a few key allies.
And then with the people who aren't his allies, they
realize they're in the even more precarious position of not
(14:28):
stepping down, and so like the Senate, instead of being
a thousand thousand worlds all giving voice and voting just
over time, eventually comes down to a couple hundred where
it's like they're regional senators instead of senators.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
From each planet.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Right, that's represented because you know, streamlining and efficiency and
we want to get things done quickly and everything like
that is an easy sell.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I want to throw a the idea out at you
because I think your idea has a lot of merit.
Also because then Palpatine can show up when he wants to.
But we've seen on screen that when Palpatine does show up,
it sort of takes people's breath away where they're like
whoa whow hey, oh no.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Like he did in that episode of The Bad Batch,
right right, he's suddenly there, yeah, meaning he's not there,
Like nobody's quite sure where he is.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
So when he shows up, it's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I would throw this idea out there that maybe before
the Second Death Star started getting built and stuff like that,
if Palpatine lived on Endoor or the Moon of Endor,
however you want to address it, where he just had
something where like just think about it, like he's buried
(15:53):
in a forest somewhere. It's almost like a perverted flip
in a weird way of he's living on this lush,
forested moon with giant trees, while Yoda's living in the dark,
dank swamp. You know, when Yoda's the ultimate being of
light and he's the ultimate being of darkness. And the
way that they mask themselves is they live among a
(16:15):
lot of the living force, but masked by stuff that
isn't them. Yeah, that's sort of the antithesis of them.
Yoda's in a tough place with monsters, and Palpatine is
in this beautiful place with nature and harmony, and that's
(16:35):
just complete antithesis of him making him harder to sense.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah. No, I mean again, that's one of those things
where I mean it actually does make a lot of sense,
the idea of you know, him being in a place
like that. Plus I think when you think about it,
it's a really unexpected place, right to find Palpatine. Uh,
and and so him having some sort of place there
(17:03):
makes sense, you know. Also, I mean it's cannon, you know.
So we know that he had these repositories all over
and so in some ways, you know, he had one
on Jackku, and he had one in other places. You know,
we learned through the extended universe that's been created now
(17:25):
through Disney.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So let's let's bring somebody to speed who may or
may not be on the other microphone right now, Uh,
clue them in on this repositories thing, or jog his
memory because he might have forgotten what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So, you know, especially it's in the Aftermath books and
it's in other books that have come out as that
the Emperor had had places, uh secret places around the
galaxy where he had stored information. And uh, you know,
I guess now it even makes slightly more sense in
(18:01):
light of Ahsoka, right when we know that there's a
whole other universe and so uh and and in some
ways kind of keeping watch on what might come outside
the universe, uh and places for him to keep you know.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Okay, I remember now, I remember what you talked about.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So uh and and and and that that's also a
place too where again uh. You know the fact that
he has all these areas set up, it makes sense
then for him to to you know, he doesn't necessarily
live in just one place. He can kind of bounce
from place to place yea uh and and which would
also make sense that you know, when he's not on
(18:44):
course ont uh that you know, he would not be
readily he would not be easily found, right Like you
wouldn't necessarily know where he was, because he kind of
bounces from location to location. And so that that's also
another thing when you think about where he might live.
(19:07):
You know that he had definitely plenty of places in
the galaxy where he could have gone.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
See.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
See, I really plug into that idea that the Emperor
is constantly on the go, and not just because he
wants to be hard to find, but because he's also
constantly seeking these artifacts and talismans of power that will
enhance his dark side connections and additionally going.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Out there.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Because he has all of these different places investigating ways
to keep him alive, to cheat death rightly and so,
and he's hiding them from Vader too. And so he's
got there thing where it's like, you know, left hand
never knows what the right hand is doing. And he's
got all of these things where it's like, you know,
he goes, you know to you know, he goes to
(19:59):
Tan and it's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Hey, this is a really cool idea. That's really good.
Oh that didn't work out. Well, it's a good thing.
I had this other idea over here.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I'm just gonna fly over there really quick, and I'm
going to check that out and just have these competing
dark laboratories perverting science and nature right to his to
his ends.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, and I mean, you know, whether we like it
or not, as well, it's pretty clear that Exagal is
also a place that you would would be able to
find Palpatine every once in a while, I'm sure. And
it being a place that is very difficult to get
to and very hidden, you know, also makes sense for
(20:39):
it being a great location for him, I don't. I
don't think of that as being his main place of residence.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Really more of a vacation home.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah exactly. I mean, it's just all about it all.
It's all about the views. And you know, clones of
oneself that are hideous. I mean, can you ask for
better views?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
You know, honestly, if I made a giant vats of
hideous clones of myself, I would be too tempted to
form some sort of perverted boy band sort of thing.
And just you know, I mean, why not embrace it?
Just go ahead, and it's like there are five of
me and we're like the in sync of the Star
Wars Galaxy. But if anybody boos us or doesn't buy
(21:25):
our album, I can shoot forced lightning. Yeah at any
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
You're deserving at that point.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So you know, you just you gotta want it. That's
the real trick. You gotta want it.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
But I think that moving around idea is really slick.
But I like, I still think a permanent like the
place where he receives people. I don't think, and I
know this flies in the face of any sort of
idea of canon. I just think it's not on Coorissant.
That's the one thing is I don't think the Emperor
lives on Chorissant because it's too.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Obvious, I guess.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And by being off of Coruissant, but never like he doesn't.
I'm not saying he announces that. I'm saying, like, very
few people know he doesn't live there.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right, Well, And I was just thinking, like, Vader has
the Executor, right, and so we've seen his ship, but
have we ever seen the Emperorship other than the one
that he flies in, you know, which is really just
a hyperspace shuttle, you know, and so like, have we
(22:38):
ever I don't feel like we ever saw a vehicle,
and so it makes me wonder, then is there a
ship then that the Emperor has? You know, obviously he's
doing all this traveling, but I mean, is this like
a top secret super secret ship that like we've never
seen in Star Wars, which now we all need to
(22:59):
see because uh, you know, it was the Infor's personal ride.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I would argue that we did see the Emperor's personal
ride and it was called a death Star. Unfortunately they
both got totaled, so you know, which of course makes me,
well it just makes me think of robot chickens exactly,
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It wasn't even paid off.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
We'll just go to my credit I didn't pay this
thing off yet.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Oh just build another one where we got the money
for that atm on that torso light fright of you.
I'm sorry, I just immediately go right into that phone call.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I can't help it. I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
What an absolutely It just makes me think of the
triumphant comic dog, you know, or he's like talking to
the guy who's gonna Vader thing. Is this the button
I pressed to call your mommy to come pick you up?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Oh my gosh, Oh, thank goodness for the Internet keeping
these bits alive for all time. Just back with people
had senses of humor about themselves. What a magical time
we lived through. How I miss it? But what I
don't miss Matt is harassing you online, which is something
I think that everybody else should do because it's a fun,
(24:13):
fun thing. So where can people find you out there online?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh gosh, so all over social media. If I'm on
the platform, you will find my name under the Matt
Rushing zero two. Of course, here on the network, I've
got a completed show called Owl Posts I did with
Dray Kaufman as we talked about every single chapter of
the Harry Potter series, one chapter time and then over
on the TFM network. Of course, you'll find me on
the six or two Club, where John is a frequent guest,
talking about Star Wars and all of those other fandoms
(24:38):
that we love, as well as quite a few shows
talking to my good friend Chris Jones about Star Trek.
So check all of that out. But John, if you
know people have an idea of where they think Palpatine
lived and they wanted to share it with you, where would.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
They find you, Well, you can find me on your
social network of choice as Kessel Junkie kes s E
l j U n K, you know, Letterboxes, where I
have the most fun because I watch a lot of movies.
And speaking of watching a lot of movies, I'm also
co hosting a show here on the network called House
Lights with Tristan Model and Darren Moser, where I weekly
(25:15):
remind them of why my movie reviews are the best
ones and that everybody should agree with them. Although Tristan
will have his car catch on fire at some point
in the near future, I'm not saying to me saying
it will eventually happen. And of course, since you talked
about Star Trek when I'm offline, I've gone so far
(25:36):
as to get my youngest padawan to watch the animated
series of Star Trek on the strength of the fact
that she loves the Clone Wars and it has opened
up her mind to franchise animation. So let that be
a note everybody that the Clone Wars has even helped
make somebody else a Star Trek fan. How crazy is
(25:59):
that while you chew on that, I will be chewing
on a Banfa steak in the cafeteria at the Jedi Temple.
And I believe I just heard the lunch bell ring.
So Master Rushing, I think it's time to close these negotiations, John,
negotiations are closed.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.
Welcome to the Node Palty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
This is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch. And you
are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
That's right, you're an Aggressive Negotiations, the Star Wars podcast
that explores the Star Wars galaxy, that galaxy far far away,
a little differently than other Star Wars shows. I am
one of your humble hosts, Jedi Master John Mills, and
joining me on this journey of great exploration is the
intrepid Jedi Master Matthew Rushing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Matt, are you ready.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
To get rollin' with the deep dive topic as they
like to say here on Aggressive Negotiations?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well? I am.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But for a second there, I thought you were going
to talk about the great expectation, and then I wasn't
sure if you were. You know, we were doing Charles
Diggins podcast, and I was a little confused. But yeah,
I'm with you now. I'm so ready. I think we
actually have a really fun, lively talk at tonight, as
we are so often do for our listeners. So I'm
(01:17):
excited for everybody who's listening.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
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As we like to say, We have a couple of
emails we want to get around to. But I'll tell
you it has been some really great topics thrown at us,
but it has been very, very difficult to sort of
(01:41):
organize things. I'll tell you the hyperspace lanes have been
absolutely hectic lately, So thank you for bearing with us.
But we have a topic here that I think is
gonna be really interesting to explore because I'm listening right
now to the new audiobook recording of Shadows of the Empire. Yes,
and there's there's a lot of good stuff in there,
(02:02):
Like it's just it's a even if it's not great literature,
like Charles Dickens, who we were referencing earlier, it's still
really enjoyable. As Steve Perry, not the lead singer of Journey,
wrote the book and just really got the characterizations down.
It's a lot of fun and the new audiobook is
wonderful too. But it got me to thinking we have
(02:24):
different interactions. Moostafar doesn't exist at the time that this
book has written, so we don't.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Have Vader's castle.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
But then I was thinking to myself, when we're on Coruscant,
where is the Emperor living? Hmmm, like where would it
make sense for him to live in the original trilogy
era on Corussant.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, I mean, I love that you're asking this question
because it was something, you know, the moment that you
brought it up, I started thinking about this idea, and
I honestly can't remember, but because if memory serves, I
feel like, uh that in the X Wing books, when
(03:10):
you know, the whole that whole series is really leading
up to them to retaking Courissant, and I feel like
when they got to Coorissant that the Emperor had turned
the Jedi Temple basically into his own personal like museum,
and and you know, I don't know, you know, if
(03:30):
it's it's still true and Cannon, but I feel like
as well that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That it was.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
The eu version that the the Jedi Temple had been
placed on kind of a dark side nexus of the
force as well, like as if to cover it or something.
And so I've always thought that you know, the idea
of the Emperor kind of utilizing the Jedi Temple is
(04:00):
his own personal like bragging rights, you know, and turning
it into basically his own private domain that nobody is
allowed to enter anymore. Uh, and that you know, he's
continued his research that he's been doing that. We know
(04:21):
that he's been doing uh and those type of things.
And you know, I like to think that, you know,
he turned what was once uh the the Jedi Council
chambers in his own personal bedroom, you know, just as
a you know, middle finger to the Jedi. And so
(04:41):
that was that was my first thought, is is where
Palpatine would live? Because it just seems so petty and
vigndictive and so Palpatine really, you.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Know, I think that there's a lot of merit to that.
I have to go back and reread the x Wing
novel because I no.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I was just thinking that too. I was like, I
should just go back and reread those.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I could have sworn with them, pre dating the prequels
at least to some extent. I have to go back
and re explore the expression of Corescant back then, because
I know that a lot of the visualization around Coroissant
was not complete city planet. Like there's more natural life
(05:25):
on Coroiscant in the EU of the nineties than there
is in the Clone Wars or you know, even the
prequel books. And I think that there's a lot of
merit to the Emperor using the Jedi Temple as an
administrative building, because what do you do when you have
(05:47):
some sort of authoritarian regime takeover is they come in
and they erase history. And so this would make even
sense in terms of racing history where people if they say, oh, no,
that was the you know, the Jedi Temple, Where was
the Jedi Temple? That No, that's that's the Imperial you know, uh,
(06:09):
city Hall or whatever that that that couldn't have been it.
It had to be somewhere else, and suddenly nobody can
remember where it was in terms of the Emperor living there.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Though I love the idea and I but I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Latch onto it for one specific reason, and that's because
I think it's even more heartless, even more soulless, to
completely strip it of anything except a sterile bureaucratic function. Yeah,
it doesn't even give it the dignity of hating it
openly it's just a building. It's a it's it's just
(06:45):
a stupid building that nobody likes.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
To go to.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's like the d m V on Corruson or something
like that, right where it's like they suddenly turned it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Give you Okay, that's that's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I love that, And I think you know, and we
can't put him. We can't put him underground because of course,
like we all know that, in the original treatment for
or the original development, I mean in pre production too,
for Return of the Jedi, they had him in a
(07:18):
lava field underneath the city and that's too Moostafar now,
so we can't really cross over there. So let me
ask you this question, did he live on Coroiscant at all?
Because I have another idea, but I want to see
I want to just throw the question at you. If
(07:39):
he didn't live on Coroiscant, where would you have him live.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, that's a great question because you don't get the
sense that it would be like Naboo, right, that that
feels that doesn't feel right for Palpatine. And you know,
of course, you know Mustafar also isn't right for Palpatine.
That's that's not going to be the place that he lives.
(08:06):
You know, that's that's the planet he kind of makes
Vader live on to to you know, get him to
over exercise the demons of that place. And so yeah,
I mean, ah my gosh, where.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
See I know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
But before you move forward, though, the Emperor living on
Naboo makes sense because that is that's sticking a thumb
in Vader's eye. You make Vader live on Moosafar where
he gets totally messed up by his best friend. Yes,
and then you live on Naboo where you're like, oh,
look at this beautiful place that looks like the life
you thought you could have had.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh, but it's mine.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Like that feels like a Sith type of thing to
just give the middle finger to his own apprentice.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
See I I think you know, I hadn't thought of
it that way, But you discussing it like that actually
makes sense because it is kind of the double bird
basically that he's being he's giving to Vader of like, oh,
I'm making you live on Mustafar basically, h like, I've
(09:14):
given you that planet as if it's some like great
thing to be given.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And but I live on the place that you know,
your wife was from uh and so that.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Oh what if he even lived in the lake house,
Like what if that was his private residence?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Right, that would be awesome, that would be freaking awesome.
Even the Theberri family like comes to great misfortune and then.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
He just sees like, oh I got that, I got
it in a steel.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, that's a you saying that. Does the Naberi family
just disappear from history?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yes, oh god, yes, Oh there's no way. There's no
way Palpatine lets them exist. No, there, they're they're a
memory of better times. Like again, it may by disappearing
people that are tied to people in the past, right
as Stalin did it. You know, North Korea does it now,
(10:11):
Like they disappear people so that when people are trying
to remember what was happening, they can't anymore. They get
them out of the records. But then additionally, it's a
clear sign you step out of line. You don't even
exist anymore, you will, history won't even consider you a footnote.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
You just you're not there. Like that's you know, creepy
and terrible to begin with.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But no, I mean you agree, I'm thinking I mean
and the Beery's got to go right.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, I mean, see, I kind of you know, when
I asked the question, I was thinking, I just don't
see I don't see them living, right, Like, I feel
like Palpatine finds a way to take them out. And
mainly it feels as though you don't want anybody who
(11:02):
possibly could know the truth about Anakin and padme. And
you know, even though you know it was not seen
in the film, right we we did not see uh
Anakin visit her family? Uh me too, me too, But
(11:22):
but that doesn't mean that the possibility that that happened
isn't there? Right that that that and especially too right
in attack of the Clones. I can't imagine that her
family doesn't know, uh you know that she is in danger,
uh and that you know, it just feels as though
(11:46):
they would have known a lot of those details, right,
and they could have put more pieces together easily. And
so no, I think you're absolutely right that Palpatine is
not going to let them live. And again, this sticking
the eye to Vader really is you know, the possibility
of him living there, which I think you know is
(12:10):
such a fascinating thing. I also, you know, I also
have always wondered, you know, we tend to you know,
in in and Or, actually we never saw Palpatine be
in the Senate, but in in you know, in episode three, right,
(12:31):
we saw that he has underneath the Senate, you know,
he has his layer basically of the High Chancellor or
of the Chancellor the Republic at that point. And that
also makes me kind of wonder is it did then
is the possibility that he expanded that under the rotunda
(12:55):
and and and this gets into kind of a more
esoteric thought. And the reason would be is because even
though he's not necessarily seen in the Senate much, his
ability to sway through the dark side the Senate and
its dealings with him being underneath the Senate building allows
(13:19):
him to be able to do something like that. So
you know, he's subtly influencing senators throughout the force, which
I think, you know, to me seems like a plausibility
and actually, you know, not out of the realm of
possibility for somebody like Palpatine to want to do, because
you know, he loves to control things.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The idea has a lot of merit.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I think that Palpatine atter a certain point doesn't need
to exert the dark side on the Senate. It just happens,
I mean, if anything as well, and they definitely don't
go this route in anything we've seen on screen, But
in my brain, I think that Palpatine also eventually starts
whittling down the Senate so that the number of people
(14:07):
in that August body gets smaller and smaller, so that
he can keep the power concentrated on a few key allies.
And then with the people who aren't his allies, they
realize they're in the even more precarious position of not
(14:28):
stepping down, and so like the Senate, instead of being
a thousand thousand worlds all giving voice and voting just
over time, eventually comes down to a couple hundred where
it's like they're regional senators instead of senators.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
From each planet.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Right, that's represented because you know, streamlining and efficiency and
we want to get things done quickly and everything like
that is an easy sell.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I want to throw a the idea out at you
because I think your idea has a lot of merit.
Also because then Palpatine can show up when he wants to.
But we've seen on screen that when Palpatine does show up,
it sort of takes people's breath away where they're like
whoa whow hey, oh no.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Like he did in that episode of The Bad Batch,
right right, he's suddenly there, yeah, meaning he's not there,
Like nobody's quite sure where he is.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
So when he shows up, it's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I would throw this idea out there that maybe before
the Second Death Star started getting built and stuff like that,
if Palpatine lived on Endoor or the Moon of Endor,
however you want to address it, where he just had
something where like just think about it, like he's buried
(15:53):
in a forest somewhere. It's almost like a perverted flip
in a weird way of he's living on this lush,
forested moon with giant trees, while Yoda's living in the dark,
dank swamp. You know, when Yoda's the ultimate being of
light and he's the ultimate being of darkness. And the
way that they mask themselves is they live among a
(16:15):
lot of the living force, but masked by stuff that
isn't them. Yeah, that's sort of the antithesis of them.
Yoda's in a tough place with monsters, and Palpatine is
in this beautiful place with nature and harmony, and that's
(16:35):
just complete antithesis of him making him harder to sense.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah. No, I mean again, that's one of those things
where I mean it actually does make a lot of sense,
the idea of you know, him being in a place
like that. Plus I think when you think about it,
it's a really unexpected place, right to find Palpatine. Uh,
and and so him having some sort of place there
(17:03):
makes sense, you know. Also, I mean it's cannon, you know.
So we know that he had these repositories all over
and so in some ways, you know, he had one
on Jackku, and he had one in other places. You know,
we learned through the extended universe that's been created now
(17:25):
through Disney.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So let's let's bring somebody to speed who may or
may not be on the other microphone right now, Uh,
clue them in on this repositories thing, or jog his
memory because he might have forgotten what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So, you know, especially it's in the Aftermath books and
it's in other books that have come out as that
the Emperor had had places, uh secret places around the
galaxy where he had stored information. And uh, you know,
I guess now it even makes slightly more sense in
(18:01):
light of Ahsoka, right when we know that there's a
whole other universe and so uh and and in some
ways kind of keeping watch on what might come outside
the universe, uh and places for him to keep you know.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Okay, I remember now, I remember what you talked about.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So uh and and and and that that's also a
place too where again uh. You know the fact that
he has all these areas set up, it makes sense
then for him to to you know, he doesn't necessarily
live in just one place. He can kind of bounce
from place to place yea uh and and which would
also make sense that you know, when he's not on
(18:44):
course ont uh that you know, he would not be
readily he would not be easily found, right Like you
wouldn't necessarily know where he was, because he kind of
bounces from location to location. And so that that's also
another thing when you think about where he might live.
(19:07):
You know that he had definitely plenty of places in
the galaxy where he could have gone.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
See.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
See, I really plug into that idea that the Emperor
is constantly on the go, and not just because he
wants to be hard to find, but because he's also
constantly seeking these artifacts and talismans of power that will
enhance his dark side connections and additionally going.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Out there.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Because he has all of these different places investigating ways
to keep him alive, to cheat death rightly and so,
and he's hiding them from Vader too. And so he's
got there thing where it's like, you know, left hand
never knows what the right hand is doing. And he's
got all of these things where it's like, you know,
he goes, you know to you know, he goes to
(19:59):
Tan and it's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Hey, this is a really cool idea. That's really good.
Oh that didn't work out. Well, it's a good thing.
I had this other idea over here.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I'm just gonna fly over there really quick, and I'm
going to check that out and just have these competing
dark laboratories perverting science and nature right to his to
his ends.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, and I mean, you know, whether we like it
or not, as well, it's pretty clear that Exagal is
also a place that you would would be able to
find Palpatine every once in a while, I'm sure. And
it being a place that is very difficult to get
to and very hidden, you know, also makes sense for
(20:39):
it being a great location for him, I don't. I
don't think of that as being his main place of residence.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Really more of a vacation home.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah exactly. I mean, it's just all about it all.
It's all about the views. And you know, clones of
oneself that are hideous. I mean, can you ask for
better views?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
You know, honestly, if I made a giant vats of
hideous clones of myself, I would be too tempted to
form some sort of perverted boy band sort of thing.
And just you know, I mean, why not embrace it?
Just go ahead, and it's like there are five of
me and we're like the in sync of the Star
Wars Galaxy. But if anybody boos us or doesn't buy
(21:25):
our album, I can shoot forced lightning. Yeah at any
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
You're deserving at that point.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So you know, you just you gotta want it. That's
the real trick. You gotta want it.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
But I think that moving around idea is really slick.
But I like, I still think a permanent like the
place where he receives people. I don't think, and I
know this flies in the face of any sort of
idea of canon. I just think it's not on Coorissant.
That's the one thing is I don't think the Emperor
lives on Chorissant because it's too.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Obvious, I guess.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And by being off of Coruissant, but never like he doesn't.
I'm not saying he announces that. I'm saying, like, very
few people know he doesn't live there.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right, Well, And I was just thinking, like, Vader has
the Executor, right, and so we've seen his ship, but
have we ever seen the Emperorship other than the one
that he flies in, you know, which is really just
a hyperspace shuttle, you know, and so like, have we
(22:38):
ever I don't feel like we ever saw a vehicle,
and so it makes me wonder, then is there a
ship then that the Emperor has? You know, obviously he's
doing all this traveling, but I mean, is this like
a top secret super secret ship that like we've never
seen in Star Wars, which now we all need to
(22:59):
see because uh, you know, it was the Infor's personal ride.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I would argue that we did see the Emperor's personal
ride and it was called a death Star. Unfortunately they
both got totaled, so you know, which of course makes me,
well it just makes me think of robot chickens exactly,
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It wasn't even paid off.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
We'll just go to my credit I didn't pay this
thing off yet.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Oh just build another one where we got the money
for that atm on that torso light fright of you.
I'm sorry, I just immediately go right into that phone call.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I can't help it. I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
What an absolutely It just makes me think of the
triumphant comic dog, you know, or he's like talking to
the guy who's gonna Vader thing. Is this the button
I pressed to call your mommy to come pick you up?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Oh my gosh, Oh, thank goodness for the Internet keeping
these bits alive for all time. Just back with people
had senses of humor about themselves. What a magical time
we lived through. How I miss it? But what I
don't miss Matt is harassing you online, which is something
I think that everybody else should do because it's a fun,
(24:13):
fun thing. So where can people find you out there online?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh gosh, so all over social media. If I'm on
the platform, you will find my name under the Matt
Rushing zero two. Of course, here on the network, I've
got a completed show called Owl Posts I did with
Dray Kaufman as we talked about every single chapter of
the Harry Potter series, one chapter time and then over
on the TFM network. Of course, you'll find me on
the six or two Club, where John is a frequent guest,
talking about Star Wars and all of those other fandoms
(24:38):
that we love, as well as quite a few shows
talking to my good friend Chris Jones about Star Trek.
So check all of that out. But John, if you
know people have an idea of where they think Palpatine
lived and they wanted to share it with you, where would.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
They find you, Well, you can find me on your
social network of choice as Kessel Junkie kes s E
l j U n K, you know, Letterboxes, where I
have the most fun because I watch a lot of movies.
And speaking of watching a lot of movies, I'm also
co hosting a show here on the network called House
Lights with Tristan Model and Darren Moser, where I weekly
(25:15):
remind them of why my movie reviews are the best
ones and that everybody should agree with them. Although Tristan
will have his car catch on fire at some point
in the near future, I'm not saying to me saying
it will eventually happen. And of course, since you talked
about Star Trek when I'm offline, I've gone so far
(25:36):
as to get my youngest padawan to watch the animated
series of Star Trek on the strength of the fact
that she loves the Clone Wars and it has opened
up her mind to franchise animation. So let that be
a note everybody that the Clone Wars has even helped
make somebody else a Star Trek fan. How crazy is
(25:59):
that while you chew on that, I will be chewing
on a Banfa steak in the cafeteria at the Jedi Temple.
And I believe I just heard the lunch bell ring.
So Master Rushing, I think it's time to close these negotiations, John,
negotiations are closed.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
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