Can You Really Live to 150? The Secrets to Radical Longevity!

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On the subject of weight, I didn't die it.

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I realized I had an unhealthy relationship with food.
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a luxury.
It is not affordable by many people.
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Mark, you have stuff in your refrigerator you should never eat.
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So hang on, strap in and let's go.
Well, in the United States, the average lifespan in the 1900s was 43.
Today, 2020, 78.
The longest recorded lifespan is a French woman by the name of Jean Clement.

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She lived 122 years from 1875 to 1997.
That's pretty remarkable.
One thing is certain that I can tell you is that since the 1900s and since the dawn of
man, our lifespans are growing.
They're getting longer and that is true of today.

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But can we reach a lifespan of 150?
Could that be a norm?
Could that be the average?
Well our guest today, Mark Caffano says yes.
And his journey, his goal is 150 and he is well on his way and so we're going to be discussing

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with him.
Mark, welcome to aging today and I look forward to our conversation.
Well, me too.
And wow, I learned that you've been doing this for eight years, which I didn't know.
That's really wonderful because to focus on the subject of aging for eight years makes
you very singularly informed.
Yeah.
I want to learn from you too.
Well, actually, I'm not as informed as you might think, but I'm constantly growing and

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I'm learning from all great people like yourself, all of the guests that we've had on over
the years and I just keep growing and growing in my knowledge and you know, we apply it in
the marketplace on a regular basis.
We own an in-home care agency and a hospice agency.
So we're trying to make sure that we use this as a platform to reach the world on the aging

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progression and answering all the questions that people have about the aging process.
Makes perfect sense to me.
I'm excited.
How can I be helpful?
Well, you've got a goal of 150.
But before we get in there, let's kind of go back.
We always start our segment out with getting to know you a little bit better and we're not
interested in so much what's in your wallet, but we are interested in what's in your story.

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Every one of us has a life story.
Kind of give us an update of where you've been for the past.
I think it's your 69, is that correct?
Correct.
Yeah, 69.
Yep, I'm 67.
So I'm right there on your tail.
Here are the tail end of the baby boomers.
And so kind of give us a little bit of a background of where you've been.
Well, I'm a person that is always being curious and not always curious in things which are

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great, but curious nonetheless.
Sometimes you all of a sudden put the hose words not supposed to go or the fork and
the light socket.
Sometimes things are shocking.
In a process of which I've had many experiences in my life where curiosity has sometimes
been uncomfortable.
And nonetheless, it's the nature of who it is.
I am.
I question everything.

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And so one aspect of this journey, 250 was really coming from the perspective of just wondering
what was possible.
And I would say that as people in, particularly in the United States, we're inclined to get
a lot of messaging, a lot more because of social media.
And about five or six years ago, I had an experience which made me curious on the subject

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of aging.
And so I was actually that I was giving a speech and I do a fairly good amount of speaking
as a futurist.
So a large county in the United States asked me to come in and talk to them about how the
future was going to affect them.
And in particular, the conclusion that we came to is they were going to experience a lot
of job loss, like 35% job loss in just 15 years of time.

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And I went through this whole process and people loved the speech and wouldn't you know
they did a video and someone took some pictures of me.
And when I got the pictures expecting to see this dapper gone stage, I realized because it
was a candid picture, I wasn't very dapper.
I was kind of chubby.
That would be the nice way to say it.

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So without getting into a bunch of gory details, seeing myself clearly through the lens of something
which wasn't my own eyes, not a selfie pick, but a reality check, I realized that I had become
very different than the person I thought I was.
So that was at Piffany number one.
Piffany number two is I got to watch mom and dad and we're an Italian family, a loving Italian

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family.
And we've lost both mom and dad in the last four years.
I got to watch the end of their life.
I don't know if your parents are still alive, but the truth is is that when you get to the
end for your parents, your world changes just because it's a context.
And what I'm, mom is still alive.
She's 95.
She's wonderful.
Upstairs from where I'm recording this dad passed away at 93 just two years ago.

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So we had a similar experience then because my mom was, my dad was 94 and mom passed at 93
and a half.
So I guess I have longevity genes from this perspective of what you said, not 78 being
the average, but what I would also tell you is, well, I definitely appreciated my parents
life 67 years married and together the entire time.

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I noticed if the end wasn't exactly the end I wanted.
I felt like in both cases, my parents probably left some years on the table because no one
and share some of the information that I gained over the last four years about how actually
to extend your life by virtue of how you conduct yourself.
So first of all, being what I considered at that stage in the game about 75 pounds too

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heavy, two pounds a year times 25 years plus pasta because it's not telling God, I love
pasta.
I realized that if I didn't do something different, I was going to end up probably older
than 90 because everybody in our family seems to do well, but maybe not having the end
I wanted.
And in the process of which I said to myself, I want something better.

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So ultimately, what that translated into is 90 plus something is what I wanted and
my first goal, I just put a little sticky on my refrigerator 110.
I don't know why I picked 110.
It didn't seem so hard and you already mentioned Jean Clomon who lived on 22 so I wasn't even
doing something that would be quote unquote impossible.

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And then I started to get curious.
I got curious about longevity and I started to read and study human biology and some of
the amazing things happening at Harvard and at Stanford.
And people putting not only a lot of time and energy into how to do this, but actually
the cadence of something that I refer to as hyper change.

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Now remember I said it was a futurist.
One of the things I determined was that the rate of change was so extraordinary in our world
that we could not use the past as a predictor for how things would go in the future.
An example.
The very first antibiotic was created in 19, do you know when?

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19 was it two?
1927.
Oh, 27, okay.
We haven't even had 100 years of antibiotic and it didn't get wide use until the World
War II.
Uh-huh.
So imagine if you cut your arm and it was one of those cuts where maybe some stuff got into
the cut.

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Back in 1925, 30 because antibiotics had just been created, you might have the uncomfortable
choice of actually having to have your arm cut off or lose your life.
And that wasn't even a hundred years ago.
Yeah.
And today if you happen to have prostate surgery, it's an odds on bet that if it's in the

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United States, it's going to be done by a robot, not a surgeon, a DaVinci robot because
they can take, they can cut the skin off a grape and sew it back on, which isn't the skill
of a traditional human.
So I say to myself, oh my gosh, if in less than a hundred years we've gone from not even
having antibiotics to having all the surgeries for a particular type of cancer happen by a robot,

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what's going to happen in the next hundred years?
And that caused me to realize one very basic thing.
We are going to have a change in science, medicine and the way we look at the human body, which
is going to mean that in about 30 years around what I call my 100 year mark, we're going
to have 500 years of science, not 30 years, 500, artificial intelligence and robotics and

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new ways to think.
So then I said to myself, probably 110, it's not a good enough guess.
So I said to myself, well, pick something.
I went out there and I looked and wouldn't you know other people had picked 150, some had picked
200 and I said, well, I want something that's striking enough to motivate me and impossible

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enough to get some attention.
So that's where 150 came from.
Is that a good answer?
Yeah, it's an excellent one.
And you know, I think that you're on the right path because we've had many of our guests
that have come on and said some of the same things in and I think the future is going to be
very, very exciting.

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What do you say to those that are the naysayers that are saying, oh, come on, why do you want
to live to 150?
I've heard this over and over again.
Well, interesting enough and I was sharing with you before we started our podcast that if
someone were to go to agist.com, agist.com, they'll find an article about me, a very nice

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man by the name of David Stewart runs that publication and they asked me that very question.
And my answer was, I love you.
If you don't think I'm going to make it because naysayers make me contemplate a very difficult
journey.
There's no question about what I'm doing is difficult and I don't find criticism in any
which way shape reform.

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Not what I want.
Please tell me because it might be that I'm going to learn something.
So that's the first thing.
I like it.
And if you're not going to be able to talk about the problem, you know, I want to be inspirational.
And if maybe I just change the perspective of one person who then lives a better life
because they learned something about my journey, perhaps that makes this whole thing worthwhile.

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So asking people to contemplate something they don't think is possible and having them later
determine on their own, hey, maybe he has a point.
That's a good thing.
Yeah, absolutely.
What is ageism?
I mean, there's a lot of, do you have a definition, a good working definition of what ageism is?
Because I think it's prevalent in our culture and I love visionaries.

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I love people that have that pioneer spirit in them.
And people that are usually, you know, slamming people like you, the glasses have empty.
Well, I don't know that I have a definition of ageism that will satisfy everyone, but
what I can say this is it's like every other ism.

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It's applying a series of predefined measurements or expectations to someone without knowing the
details.
So whether it is racism or any other kind of way of looking at things, it just says, I'm
going to take a snapshot of what I see on the outside and I'm going to use that as a tool
to determine what's on the inside.

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And in many cases, ageism in our world, both against people that are older as well as people
that are younger is not a positive thing.
So when we all of a sudden say that someone is too old for this job, maybe we ought to interview
them and find out when we say that someone is too young to know something, maybe we ought
to talk to them and find out if that's true.

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So I would say that there are some aspects of ageism, which are not helpful and we ought
to be very careful to educate people, to not be, to have that ism and ageism is completely
normal.
It's built in biologically.
Part of that has to do with this basic issue of procreation.

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When a man is older, his sperm does not have the same motility and health is when he's younger
and the same thing for a woman and her ovum.
The reality is his nature favors in some regards youth and it puts some cues in place that
says, "Hey, youthfulness matters."

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So what I would tell you is when I was young and 20 and out having fun, it was not my nature
to all of a sudden find the oldest people and bring them along for the fun.
I don't think that was unusual.
I really think that when you're young, you seek the company of younger people and when you're
older, it could be the very same thing.

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You don't necessarily want to have someone who's playing the music you don't like or understand
in your presence.
And yeah, there's a lot to be said for when we cross the boundaries of those assumptions,
we sometimes have a lot of fun.
Absolutely.
And in particular for me, I hang around almost exclusively younger people.

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A reason why, unfortunately, and I hate to say this is, may the people that are are age,
I'm 69, they bring to the conversation of longevity something which is kind of negative
for me.
And it's my knees hurt and I can't do that anymore.
And why do you want to live that long?
And that's not natural or what would God think?

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Or you're going to wreck social security or or or and I'm saying to myself, "Okay, have
whatever position you want, but can we can we maintain positivity?"
So I would say even as an older person, do I practice some ages and yes, I do.
Well, I prefer younger people and don't spend as much time around older ones.

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And I think that if you go back to the biblical records, Mathusela, I think it was 800 years
and I'm sure 62 years.
Yeah, obviously the world was less, had a lot of less pollution, a lot of less of everything
and things were calmer.

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And I think that when people say, "Well, God didn't design us that way," I begged a deferred
that he did originally design us to live long, good, healthy lives.
And we are the ones that get in the way of shortening that lifespan.
Thank you very much for saying that.
I absolutely believe that most of us have a legacy of longevity that we discard and we

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have some encouragement from society because society wants us to follow the plan.
Leaves dying in the forest, create mulch and is good for the forest.
When humans dying in a cycle that people can understand, manage to make money off of, also
make sense to society.

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So when someone, such as myself and other people that are living to what we would call radical
longevity, do something like this, we are bucking a lot of normalcy.
Yeah, absolutely.
So always when I see propositions, theories, I always put in the margin, YBH, YBH, yes, but

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how.
So let's look at it.
I want to say yes, 250, but how.
And so let's take a step back and there's a couple of words that you use that I want to
clarify, like hyper change, what is going on in our culture today, what is hyper change?

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How is that attributing to your goal of 150?
Well, okay, first of all, let me redefine hyper change into a simple catch phrase that everyone
can latch on to a hundred years of change in your next 10.
In the earliest stages of human history, big changes like the Iron Age or agriculture took

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a thousand years.
We had multiple generations of time to understand something new, to get used to it and incorporate
into the way we deal with things.
Then it became not a thousand years, it became 500 years and then it became 200 and around
the 1700s, there was an interesting thing that happened.

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A lot of people are unaware that the original term innovator was preceded by a word called
novator.
A novator was someone who did not pay attention, who did not follow along.
And at that time in history, you can't get yourself in trouble if you were a novator.
An example of a novator would be Copernicus who said, well, the earth is in the center

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of the universe.
The Catholic Church was not amused and his compensation for that was 600 years and unmarked grave.
Now was it true?
Yes, was it popular?
No.
Was he a novator?
Yes.
And did he get a just reward?
Well, some people would say at that time, yes, because you're upsetting people.

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But in retrospect, we would look at that and say maybe the world would have been better
if more people were aware that the earth wasn't the center of the universe sooner.
So if you take that concept of it, it was a thousand years, then it was 500, then it was 200.
We got to the point in time where not only was it okay to innovate, but it actually became
economically interesting.
There didn't used to be VCs.

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There didn't used to be startups.
There didn't used to be this idea that you could all of a sudden take an idea, go down
to the coffee shop and find somebody who'll give you some money, hire a bunch of people and
take your dog and your buddies and all of a sudden go, boo, that didn't exist.
If you look at many of the things that we enjoy today in society, it's driven by a completely

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different kind of engine.
So hyperchanged goes back to about the 1700s and there's about eight critical things that
occurred to make it possible.
But what I would tell you is we created a factory of change.
Not change was accidental, but actually an engine that cranks it out.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, absolutely.
You mentioned there's about eight of them.

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What are a couple of those changes?
Well, the very first one was a communication system.
So back in the days of Morse code, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
there was no way to get a message anywhere, right?
We were limited for the most part to paper mail or some kind of physical conference of
the message.

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That was like a really, really big thing.
And ultimately, the routes of the internet were born from telegraph, which then went
along.
So that's the problem.
And so you're not going to be able to get a lot of data from the internet, but you're not
able to get a lot of data from the internet, you're not going to be able to get a lot of data
from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get a lot of data from the internet, but

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you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able
to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the
internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going
to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet,

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but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be
able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the
internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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I would generally say most adults would say less surprises more planning, so if you take
artificial intelligence as an example, it kind of came on the scene to the public view
about, how long ago, three, four years where all of a sudden, became kind of a big ideal,
but it's been worked on for 60 years.

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artificial intelligence in the present now or was it in the present 20 years ago, depends
on what future you were living in.
What are the barriers to 150?
What are some of the things that you see that...
Gosh, many, many, many.

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Can probably the number one and biggest one for a human is cognitive decline.
So at this particular juncture in time, around 30% of people at 85 have some material
cognitive decline.
By the time you get to 95, the answer is probably closer to 50%, maybe 60%.

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Why would somebody want to live to 150 if only two-thirds of the weight to that goal, they
don't have their marbles?
I would say, out of all the things I can imagine, that is probably the most difficult one.
The second one I would say has to do with this issue about how long does our body want

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us to continue?
There is something called the hapholic limit, which has to do with how many times a cell
will divide before it simply stops doing it anymore.
Some of that can be tested in the petri dish and some of that can be simulated in the body,
but we don't absolutely know that Mark Turnbull will behave like Mark Kufana and yours might

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go a lot longer and might stop.
So anecdotally, we know that there is the concept of a limit, how many times your cells will
divide, but we don't know officially how it will get expressed.
And the third thing I guess, category...
Do you think that that is biologically written into our DNA?
Oh, some people would posit that.

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I mean, some really smart people that study this stuff.
So I've become an aging scientist, but only by virtue of my personal journey.
I never woke up wanting to know about the hapholic limit, but you know, you keep reading
and you go, "Oh, yeah, I wonder if that means I'm done."
It doesn't in my opinion mean I'm done because I have a way around it and I'll get to

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that in a minute.
The third thing I would simply say is we today live linear life.
For most of us, well, I guess for all of us really, we begin as infants, then we have some
time as children, then we have some time as students, then we have some time as getting
launched in whatever our career might be, then we have some sort of time of getting better

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at our career and then storing some nuts away for the winter and then we retire.
I think that's what I would call linear.
Now people can spend more time as a student or less time as a, you know, storing them nuts
away for the winter, but nonetheless, even when people were living 40 years or 30 years
at the very dawn of human history, and now people's lives for the most part are still

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pretty linear.
I would submit to you that one of the most radical things that will ever happen, that
will limit getting to 150, is that people will not be ready and they'll actually fight
it.
And I would actually say no.
A perfect example of this is let's just say, and part of my plan is to actually be this

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person, be 95 and be able to function like a 40-year-old with all the extra knowledge and
all that ability.
What do we need a 40-year-old for if we have 95-year-olds that have all the experience and
ability in none of the downside physiologically?
You see, we have aging as a mechanism of creating space for youthful people.

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We have people staying in houses, for instance, that because of the way it's working out, they're
not moving out and where do you put your family?
Because in many parts of the U.S., we have a shortage of homes.
Older people are simply saying, "Cuz of my tax base, because of my preference."
I got 5,000 people, it's just me and the Mrs. and I'm not moving.
So you see this problem of living an awfully long time, it doesn't fit within the structure

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of how society is organized.
Are those three good examples of why getting to 150 is going to be art?
Oh yeah, yeah.
And so it's going to take a change.
A lot of them.
There's going to have to be a paradigm shift in the future to get us to that place.
If you look at, think of, I think I gave the stat at the very beginning of the interview

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here of the average age in the U.S. was 43 and today it's 78.
Well, there's been lots of shifts in that time frame and then moving forward from today
into the latter two thousands, there's going to be a lot of shifts that are going to take place.

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They're going to have to take place.
Just take an example like retirement.
And as an example is something which has not had a long history.
Many people trace it back to Germany after World War One when people were expected to live
two to three years after they stopped working.
And the government said, oh, well, we'll give them a little bit of money so it's not so painful.

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Take the sting off of World War One.
Well now it's turned into basically an expectation.
If you do it right, you retire and if you retire, you get to live for, well, as it turns out
in the United States about 20 years and as it turns out, we have the worst lifespan, health

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span gap in the world.
Most people in the United States that make it to 78 will have acquired one or more chronic
diseases by the time they're 60.
So imagine that the sentence, if you will, for living the way we are and aspiring to retire

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is close to 20 years of being sick.
I don't think that's winning.
I'm sorry.
I just don't.
So I don't suggest anyone else who has their appetite they want to retire, but I say when
you retire, you expire.
So don't want that.
Now, that means that I'm bucking the system.

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Yeah, because there's a whole bunch of, there's a whole industry out there's all organizing
around monetizing and somebody's going to say that guy, Kaffa, I was saying no retirement,
what the heck?
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, I feel the same, same pressures.
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We have a proposition that we say often on this, on this aging today podcast and that is
when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change and so change

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is inevitable.
It's always going to change and the way we look at aging and that's why we've created
aging today is we want people to look differently at the aging process and one of the ways that
you're talking about aging is to look at aging a little bit differently and I think it was

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you had said that aging is a disease and that's kind of a foreign concept to most people.
Most people just take it at the aging process is just the normal part of living which we've
been talking about on the linear side.
So how is aging a disease and what are the implications to that and how can we change the

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way we look at aging?
Well, let me suggest this.
First of all, by saying aging as a disease is a personal opinion.
It's not ratified by every doctor in the in the world.
In fact, there's a lot of people say that again is crazy talk.
Let me make sure that I explain what I say.
Losing is a disease in the sense that it is loss of function.

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One could say loss of function as I used to be able to walk five miles.
Now I can only walk half a mile.
Loss of function as I used to be able to see well and now I can't see well.
Loss of function is my cells used to be able to work a certain way and now they don't.
My immune system used to get me healthier more quickly.
I simply normalize the conversation of aging to call it loss of function and we already

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have plenty of examples of drugs, modalities, protocols for treatment that cause us to not
only be able to slow it down but also go backwards.
Therefore, even though it may not be classified, you couldn't probably walk into your primary
care physician and say, "I've caught aging."
He's going to look at you and go, "Yeah, whatever."

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But I think over time what we're going to see is that different kinds of ways of looking
at the human body and understanding the interplay of the many systems will allow the concept
of aging to be identified by the medical community as a disease and for us to live the longest
life possible with as little reduction in function.

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It's pretty much common sense when you think about what is it that causes disease, then
the disease takes its impact upon our human bodies.
Most of the things are controllable that are before us.
Boy, you just hit a big old button with me because I would tell you as a guy who's lost

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75 pounds gained 15 pounds of lean mass and I'm doing things not what I used to do but I'm
doing things I never could do before.
I'd actually reverse my age.
No small part of that is getting very real about one specific thing.
We have in our control and not every one of us because people are afflicted.

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I don't give me wrong.
I'm not saying that to one of us, everybody listening could do the same thing is I have
spent the last four years optimizing every aspect of my life, every aspect.
My body, my mind, my psychology, my heart, my emotion, my relationships to ultimately become

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the best version of myself possible.
In the process, I've been rewarded almost anecdotally by becoming much more useful than
I was before.
So it's so give us some examples of things that you peeled away from your life.
First of all, just the physical part of peeling off 75 pounds.

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What did you do differently besides push away from the table?
And then some of the things that you did in a personally in your own psychology and spiritually
and all of it, it's a total picture is what you're saying.
Absolutely, it is total picture.

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Thank you.
Great question.
Great question.
On the subject of weight, I didn't die it.
I realized I had an unhealthy relationship with food.
And I want to say up front, the process of living a long, radically long life is in fact
a luxury.

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It is not affordable by many people.
I was in a position to afford it by circumstance and economically, but ultimately I said myself
Mark, you have stuff in your refrigerator you should never eat.
And yet not only do you eat it, but you eat it unconsciously.
I remember one day waking up in the morning and saying, I am going to eat clean today.

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And at 11 o'clock I had a mouthful of potato chips and don't even remember putting them
in my mouth.
I had had this reflexive way of using food as a tool to manage distress.
And when I really came to the conclusion, it wasn't going to make a difference.
How much I were little I ate.
I was going to be unhealthy because I remember when I was eating the wrong stuff.

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And number two, my relationship to food needed to completely be reoriented.
And my mom and my dad were very healthy in that regard.
They put good food on the table.
They did not encourage over consumption, but it was for me an emotional trigger.
So the weight started falling off when I said to myself, wait a second, be a happy person.

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Don't use food as a tool to be happy.
Yeah.
Did the shift in you moved more towards whole foods?
Plant-based food?
And visually come to identify.
Yeah.
Left processed foods, which as it turned out, four or five years ago was more of an innovative

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way of thinking, but today it's become very mainstream.
Don't eat stuff that is already pre-done and cooked for you.
Don't eat things that are all individual ingredients that you can control.
You want to put meat and tomatoes and chicken and different things into something and cook
it?
Yay!
Because then you can choose those things.
But when you have a laundry list of ingredients on a package and you go, I don't know what

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that is, that's probably bad.
And I would say the average person would benefit by simply classifying food as one of
two things.
Fuel or poison.
And I've helped a number of people that are in my friendship circle because I don't do
this as a to make money.
I simply say if it goes in your mouth, it's either fuel or poison.

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And if it's not fuel, assume it's poison.
Yeah.
So if you're not in a place where you can make a decision, just only fuel.
And amazingly, gosh darn it, your body starts shedding weight.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've noticed the same thing with myself.
I was much like yourself.
It took a photo of me realizing the extension of my stomach and I was going, oh my goodness.

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When you look in the mirror, I didn't see it.
You know, I thought I was like, okay, I'm just average, you know.
But now it took a photo when I go, wow, I didn't realize.
And it was a photo while I was in the pool with no shirt on that showed the extended stomach.
The bloating.

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Yeah.
You can't run from reality, but you know, that's not the selfie you take on purpose and
post on social.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway, my point is simply that using that as a very specific example, you asked about
other things.
I realized it wasn't dieting.
I had to change my relationship to food.
And when I did, everything became easier.

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Secondarily, I, through a variety of circumstances, had relocated from one state to another.
The second state didn't work out and I had to complete a third move in four years.
So in other words, I lived in three different states in four years.
That's very upsetting.
I did it all by myself, all by my loans without the support of the significant other and

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without the direct connection to my family.
I mean, they've followed along and certainly been interested, but they've always said, Mark,
you got to do what you got to do.
So I moved three different states and you know what?
I'm in such a wonderful place right now, Arizona.
But until I got here, my environment was actually causing me to age.
I didn't realize it, but now I can see it.

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So my point is another example is optimizing for my environment.
And then I happen to move into an amazing place where they have a world-class gym, three floors
down from the floor that I live on.
And I never miss a workout because there's never a commute.
And I happen to be within walking distance of 150 restaurants.

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And I happen to live in the sunshine.
And when my blinds go up, I get the morning sun into my eyes, which makes my mitochondria
light up.
And my point is I'm exploring a kind of behavior that even the most people don't have the
ability to do, but even if they have the ability to do that, they wouldn't because it might

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cause them to have to make wholesale changes.
And there are many big changes to live better.
And I've always said to my corporate audiences when talking about hyperchanged.
I used to say, have a plan, monitor the plan, execute the plan.
And they would always forget because they'd say, well, what am I supposed to do to be better?

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And I said, let me just make it two things.
Live in the right place for you.
Hang with the right people.
And if a person can only do those two things, they're well on their way to profound life change.
So I had to take my own medicine, Mark.

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I live in the right place and I hang with the right people.
I meet so many nice people every day that welcome me and I have this website, mark 150.com,
which I just share with people.
I say, you want to learn about my journey.
Go to mark 150.com.
So that's an example and then I had to read more and I had to be more patient and I had to

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meditate more and pray more and do all the things necessary to become a better human being.
So this is not just take a pill scenario.
Yeah.
How would you classify yourself?
The glass half full, half empty.
Most of your life is?
Yeah, I'm, unfortunately, into the wildly over full.

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I kind of splash water on people.
Yeah.
And actually, I could say that I'm too optimistic.
And so I've had to become a little less optimistic.
But my mind says, everything is wonderful.
It's great.
It's happy.
It gets me through difficult circumstances, but probably I've had to become a little more
pragmatic.
Yeah.
And then talk a little, so you shed 75 pounds off the food.

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You shed 75 pounds off of the environment.
What are there, and you mentioned a little bit about relationships and things like that.
But is there any other significant aha moments that took place?
So I'm involved in a program and I won't say the name of the company because probably that's
not something you want to happen.
But let's just say people can find out about it on my website.

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I believe that at the end of the day, there is a way for us to be optimized for what we
cause ourselves to want to do.
And there's a really an interesting guy, and I will mention his name because he's a doctor.
His name is Dr. Peter Atia.
And he has a strategy that says, if at 100, you want to be able to live a certain kind of
life, start practicing that life now.

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And he has this thing called the Centenarian de Cathalon.
The ten things that you want to be able to do when you get to 100.
Like, can you take your bag and put it in the overhead bin?
And can you walk your doggy for an hour?
Over those things are have sex.
Or just even walk.
Whatever that is.
But my point is, I said to myself, I got to start leading the life I want to live now.

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And I would tell you that today, I consume life like in my early 30s.
I do not let into my head anything, any of the psycho babble that comes from society or
doctors that says, oh, you're too old for that.
No, that doesn't even exist.
I'm not too old for anything.

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I do think is that I believe serve me.
And the bottom line is, it's easier to hurt yourself when you're older in certain kinds
of exercises.
And it takes longer to rehab yourself.
But nonetheless, I'm going to be participating in Spartan races in 2025.
Very exciting.
And to me, a lot of people would say, are you out of your mind?

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And I say, no, why?
And it's not me trying to prove a point.
It's me saying to myself, I've always been competitive.
I played a sport in the university, and I'm competitively skewed, and I've done a lot
of interesting things.
Why wouldn't I just keep being competitive?
So mindset-wise, living as if I am young in anticipation, and I'll give you a little bit

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of a hint as to where I'm going on this, in six more years, I get to 75.
And at 75, there's going to be a book that is called The Halfway Mark.
That's a pun.
And The Halfway Mark is really about my journey to be living life 45 years old biologically
and 75 years old in terms of chronological years.

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And for all those naysayers that you mentioned earlier, some people would say, well, that's
just, you know, what crazy.
And I would say, unless, of course, you have to know about the Rejuvenation Olympics, where
there's actually people that, like, I know somebody who's 62, and he's biologically 38.

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So I'm standing on the shoulder of giants.
People that have done it far better than me.
But I am telling you that the thing I'm doing that probably is more important than any
for some of your audience.
I started at 65.
And I was like, this whole business is about, it's too late.
Let's get rid of that idea.

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I was the poster child for it's too late.
75 pounds too heavy.
65 years of age.
At a time when everyone's saying, aren't you going to retire, Mark?
And I'm going, no!
No, not.
So hopefully that maybe puts a wrapper around the overall subject of the individual things
like losing weight and getting stronger.

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Be optimal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I remember my grandfather, very wise individual, very successful individual, and he pulled
out of his wallet one day and I said, what made you so successful and he had this little
saying?
It said, never be associated with failure.
In other words, what he was saying, just in a different way in his generation, surround

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yourself.
He said, Mark, surround yourself with people that are more brilliant than you.
Absolutely.
And do not be offended, do not.
It's easy to get jealous or whatever.
Just surround yourself with people that think positive and think outside the box and are
moving forward with their lives and don't surround yourself with people that are the

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naysayers, the people that are going to pull you down is what he was saying.
Is that so true?
Yeah.
And you know, interestingly enough in that, Mark, and your grandfather is a wise person.
No small part of my desire to last longer is I want to take people such as yourself and
people such as your grandfather and cause them to last longer to be able to share what

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they've learned.
Isn't it ironic as an example that we get to a point in time where we arrive at 60 and
this is when we start to get our first chronic illness and we start to think, well, maybe
I'm done.
Maybe I need to start thinking about selling the company or whatever.
And I'm saying, no, the world needs the older, more mature voice moderated, of course,
to allow younger people to continue to create.

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But I want to keep the brightest of the world around, throw a lot longer to share what they
learned.
Yeah.
I wish I'd gotten to know your grandfather.
Yeah.
I wish he had been longer in my life, you know, but he, I very blessed to have a grandfather
like that that was very involved in our lives at the time that we had to spend together.

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You know, one of the things I was also thinking about was, you know, just the whole idea of wisdom
and knowledge.
So we're churning out a lot of people with a lot of knowledge.
And one thing that is lacking in our culture today, I believe is wisdom.
It's the Huckma is what they call it in the Hebrew.

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Huckma means literally wisdom and it's living life skillfully.
And it's just not about knowledge.
And this is where the young people, if we could interact more succinctly with each other,
more often with each other.
And there's a better respect between the generations.

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There's a lot that can be done with that knowledge as long as it's coupled with wisdom.
And respect.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
All voices are valuable.
And when we start to stereotype and want to use social media to cancel people and we
don't welcome people to say what's on their mind, that's not a good thing.

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You know, I will tell you an interesting thing that's happened to me as a release to the
generational issue of longevity.
Do you want to know the most interesting question I received from young people after they meet
me at the swimming pool and they say, I've heard about you or you really look XYZ good
whatever.
You know what the number one second question is?
Yeah.
Would you talk to my parents?

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Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
There is a lot of pain in young people.
Yeah.
Because they see the wisdom and they see the love and the affection and the opportunity
to be with their parents.
Yeah.
In some cases, being close to their end because of life choices that they've made, one drink

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turns into two and 20 pounds turns into 50 and all of a sudden they're unable to do things
they used to do.
And that's okay, honey, you go and do it by yourself.
And I probably will put a seminar series together where I will cause young people to feel
like they can invite their parents to a roundtable.
Get a lot of people to room that says, mom and dad, it's okay if you don't want to

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but if you do want to, you got a lot more years in front of you.
Yeah.
I would venture to guess that most people have a road map that is traditionally designed
which you described earlier in our conversation about that linear end-win-reviewed tire than we
know that we've got 10, 15 years left and we're going to be gone.

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And I think most people prepare their minds that way and they start living their lives
that way and it's a prophecy that is easily fulfilled.
Absolutely.
If you think about when you're driving on the freeway, you've probably had that experience
where you're paying attention to your map, you're paying attention and then you kind of
get into a zone thinking about where you're going or something else and all of a sudden

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you see the exit and you're supposed to be two lanes over to take the exit, right?
And you see it coming up on you and you realize you're going to miss the exit and there's
that old adage you miss, 100% of the shots you don't take.
You miss 100% of the exits you don't see.

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What I think is the humor is part about this is that our society that quote unquote cares
about us has made some of the choices invisible.
That's the only thing I seek to do.
I don't want to change anybody's behavior.
I just want them to see the exit or the on ramp that's available to them with enough time

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to decide if it's relevant.
What is the role of as we progress with AI?
What do you see the role of AI playing in our longevity?
Well, and we'll conclude with that because there's so much more that we can talk about

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and it's very inspiring to have this conversation with you.
Thank you.
Let's assume a benevolent AI because the reality is is that I come from the world where
not everything by definition is as it seems and being an architect and creator of a lot
of technology over the course of my life, I would say that we've created a system which

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is too profit-based.
So let's just agree that in a world where profit wasn't the principal driver for how AI
was going to be used, this is my answer.
In theory, AI at the very level of human body would allow us to understand the human body
much faster than science.

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We have limits in terms of what kinds of experiments we can perform on people.
We have limits in terms of what kinds of drugs we can create.
We have limits in terms of all the things that science currently knows how to do because
it's so expensive and so dangerous to try to come up with new ways of doing things.
AI is wonderful as simulating.
So it's possible as an example.

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And I was at a very wonderful place called the Terrasaki Institute.
It's one of the most amazing places that us do with organ regeneration and I don't know
if a lot of people understand, but there's only about 43,000 organ transplants that occur
every year in the United States.
It's not like 5 million.
Yeah.
And we need a lot more.

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We actually need to create synthetic organs and we need to create ways to keep transplanted
organs alive longer because typically five years or six years or seven and then the transplant
goes south.
But anyway, I'm in this place and they have this machine and he says, you know, there's 10,000
people in that black box.
It's about eight foot by eight foot by eight foot.

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And I went 10,000 people in the black box.
It's eight foot on the side.
He said, yeah.
I said, what do you mean?
He says, well, there's a biological structural called an organoid.
And the organoid, each of them is unique and different and we can actually do testing using
AI in the organoids to either give them all a disease or a virus or give them all a drug.

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And we can do in a very short period of time what it would take, well, we'd have to have
10,000 people, real human beings to do to find out if they all got sick from this one
virus or if this one medicine was had an implication for 50% of them that wasn't good.
So the answer is on the biological side of things, AI is going to rapidly expand, increase

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and improve the quality even to the point in time of creating drugs.
We didn't think personally to create because AI is getting into a place now where we could
say, yeah, maybe we needed to maybe we need a drug to deal with this hateful climate.
Okay, so that's on the on the side of the actual science and medicine, on the side of behavior.

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Let me just tell you, if everybody was looking for a magical pill, the pill is disciplined.
It's a bitter pill.
What I've learned to do and it's not my nature is not procrastinate and be disciplined.
If somebody wants to follow me, they are probably already smarter than AI.

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They probably got a lot of advantages, but my ace in the hole might be that I am much
less for procrastinator and much more disciplined.
And AI has a way of potentially being in our hand and you're starting to see this now in
the latest models of these phones.
You're going to have your own AI.

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Again in the world where it's beneficial.
Hi.
What do you think I should do today?
I think you should get out of bed now because you told me you're gonna.
Oh, can I have this?
No, you can't because we already agreed you weren't going to eat that.
But here's something better.
And if you turn right, you'll find that there's a store that has it.
Oh, great.
So my point is a lot of the left and right turns associated with how do you do longevity

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are going to be provided by a personal AI.
And AI is going to basically be a benefactor to us and it's going to help us supplant our
discipline and our potential procrastination and do better.
So those are probably two good examples of where AI shows up.
There's others of course, but how far do we have?

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How far do we, are we going to have to wait people?
I'm going to use now.
Yeah.
I have a Samsung smart ring and a Samsung phone.
If you're an Apple person, you get an Apple phone and an order ring.
I know I probably shouldn't state brands, but the whole point is to create value for your
listeners.
Right.
What's the ring?
I've never heard of the ring.

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And the next one, when you wake up, it goes, your energy score is this, your rest score is
this, your, this is symptomatic.

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This you did great on.
Why don't you try this?
That's now.
Yeah.
When, when, when, when you see the results of, let's say, sleep patterns, okay?
So, and I've not heard of the ring, by the way.
So that is like the watch, but only on your finger.
It's measuring, what's it measuring?

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And then, but I wanted to get back to, you know, getting this data, especially during sleep,
because sleep is so important to our longevity and to our, our health during the day.
I mean, I probably more, probably more consequential than any other thing, including food.
Yeah.
You screw up sleep.

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Everything is simply abandoned.
So how do you learn from that?
I mean, what, what, what do you take away to get into a better rhythm of sleep tomorrow
night?
Well, let me tell you, first of all, I've been also almost always blessed with better sleep
and average because of something I did when I was 14.
When I was 14, I used to have nine terrors.

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I would wake up three miles beneath the ocean and I would have to swim to the top really
fast to not drown.
It was not a fun way to wake up.
And I learned something that was actually very helpful to me.
And it was to regard my life as ending every night when I put my head on the pillow.
So I believe that people worry too much at night.

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They could, they put tomorrow into today.
Yeah.
If people need to pick a time on their calendar, the, the 15 minutes that today I'm going to
worry about everything, then they can say I worried and be done with it.
But for me, the first thing that I did that not everybody would have accomplished yet is
I don't worry when I go to bed.
I put my head on the pillow and it's my time to sleep.

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But did I always go to sleep at the same approximate time?
No.
Did I sometimes use my phone right up to the last minute and get a lot of light in my eyes
that would change my circadian rhythm?
Yup.
Did I sometimes be in a place where I don't have my room quiet and completely appropriate
for sleep?
Yeah.
I learned all those things are called sleep hygiene.

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And each person with their physiology, the pillow, the way they, for instance, I didn't
know, but if you sleep on one side of your body versus the other side of your body, it
actually affects your digestion and your heart.
And that, that's because your heart is on one side of your body than the other.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And if you're back sleeper, like for instance, my sleep thing tells me if I snore and the
end result is in, I've had it for about two months now.
Oh my goodness.
I sleep so much better because my hygiene is better.
And it compliments me.
Good job, Mark.

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It also kicks me in the butt every once in a while.
Yeah.
You didn't do good at that at all.
So there's some value to having that alter ego, the AI over your shoulder.
But it definitely makes a big difference.
What are some of the resources that you've gone to to learn about your sleep hygiene?
Can you share some of those with us?

(01:00:18):
Well, I guess I probably read 10 different people, humor, man, etia, Mark, I think is last
inch, Wyland.
I read everybody on sleep because it's the number one thing.
And what I would also tell you is, you know, you basically have to do a little bit of
philosophy too.

(01:00:39):
For me, that concept of finishing your life when you put your head on the pillow, it's a subset
of something called the big rocks, big rocks, say, take a jar, you want to fill it up to
the maximum extent, you put the big rocks in first.
If you fill it all with water, there's no room for the big rocks.
If you fill it all up with sand, there's no room for, you know, smaller rocks.

(01:01:00):
So you put the biggest rocks in, smaller rocks, smaller rocks, sand.
And even when it appears to be completely full, you can still put water in.
If you want your life to be as full as possible, do the big things first.
You have to say you're sorry to somebody, say sorry today.
If you have to get your exercise in, get your exercise in before today ends, put the most

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important stuff first.
So when you sleep, there's less to worry about.
And then on the subject of hygiene in general, man, all you have to do is put in sleep hygiene
or smart ring or sleep better and you're going to get a jillion different responses.
And most of them are going to be good, but they're going to tell you stuff you don't like.

(01:01:45):
See that's back to the issue of discipline.
I have people tell me, I know you're going to tell me to stop drinking and I'm going to say,
no, I'm not.
I still enjoy a very occasional drink.
The amount of alcohol I consume is far less because I want it far less.

(01:02:07):
When someone says, but I like to stay up and watch my show, I say, do you have a counterbalance
that you want to actually live longer and actually be happier, which is at least as great
as you wanting to watch your show?
If the answer is no, I have no answer for them.

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The whole issue of longevity, esoterically, isn't about just how many years it's what would
you do with them.
We have a platform called Max years and it's under development and the whole concept is
to get people away to do longevity, not what to do.

(01:02:49):
Some people are going to get to longevity very differently than others, but everyone has
to have discipline, not procrastinate and actually decide what they'll give up because
they want to give it up, not because someone's telling them.
Not compelled.
It never lasts.
Doesn't.
Yeah.
All life changes driven by the fact that we are for all intents and purposes self-serving

(01:03:11):
creatures.
We make the best decisions for ourselves and out of respect.
I'm guessing you have children.
I do.
At the point is you have to respect the individual's ability to decide for themselves.
You want to inform them, of course, and keep them from making the really tragic mistakes,
but nothing teaches like pain.
Yeah.

(01:03:32):
Yeah.
When I got an 88 sleep score and my rest score was 81 and then I went and had a workout,
I was like a different guy showed up in the gym and I didn't correlate the first two until
I was done with my workout and I wanted, oh, that's what they're talking about.

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But if you didn't actually have the data, what would you do to produce another great workout
day?
So I used those tools to backfill the fact that I got to get good sleep and when my behavior
is not so hot, like I try and eat my last meal, the last food goes in my mouth around 6 o'clock.

(01:04:22):
And I typically go to bed around 9.
It's typically an uncomfortable window for me and I have to protect myself for my natural
snacky nature.
Even if I'm eating something snacky good, right?
Because the last three hours means I go to bed with an empty tummy, which means none of
my biology is actually being using energy while I'm sleeping to digest stuff.

(01:04:45):
Yeah.
And I have to get to the point time where I get the right amount of fluid in my body, not
too much, so I don't want to wake up and pee.
I am very seldom ever happens, but it did happen more when I would drink a whole bunch
of water 30 minutes before I go to bed.

(01:05:05):
So when's the last time you drink water typically?
Well, I'll drink a little bit of water right before bed, but it's just a swallower too.
Yeah.
And I think I'm part of that might actually be an emotional holdover.
I like the idea of my throat is not dry or parched, but from the standpoint of any quantity,
a couple hours.

(01:05:25):
Yeah.
Most of the water or fluids that you put into your body are done during the day.
No, I drink all the time, but virtually not at all.
I guess that food stops about three hours before I go to bed and liquids stop about two
hours.
Yeah.
And when I wake up, I'm plenty thirsty.

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Yeah.
But my sleep is not being interrupted by things that I could change.
Having a dark room, important, having a cool room important.
So anyway, those are all details, but my point is deciding that sleep comes first and
then using it as a leper.

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If you don't have stress, peace says you've slept well, it's easier to change your orientation
to food.
If you've slept well in your orientation to food changes, it's easier to get your butt
to the gym.
If you get your butt to the gym and all of a sudden you lose a size, it's easier to go close
stopping and feel better about yourself.
Yeah, absolutely.
I got a non-surgical facelift.
Now I think it will say, oh, don't tell people that's the case.

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No, I want to tell them because it's something that was a procedure that was a day-long
procedure, no knives, no scalples.
But there's new technology that lets you then basically shrink your skin to fit your face.
That's the nice lady who did my procedure.
She says, "Mark, we're going to shrink your skin to fit your face.

(01:06:52):
I'm going...
That sounds good."
Yeah.
Right?
You eliminate the Sherpa doggy effect and carry out all the age spots on the whole
nine yards and it was super inexpensive by virtue of every measure.
And I'm saying to myself, does how you feel you look change how you interact with other

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people?
Yes.
Does how you walk confidently change how you interact with other people?
Yes.
Does how you sit in your share, posture erect, change how your digestive system works?
So no small part of my journey, Mark, has been to truly understand the myriad of things,

(01:07:35):
the small little adjustments that profoundly contribute to the global issue of living longer.
Yeah.
Well, maybe this is a really good place for us to end great conversation.
We're just hitting the tip of the iceberg here.
Yeah, there's more to talk about.
Oh, there's so much more.

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One real quick question though.
We did exactly answer.
You said how, let me just make sure to address that very specific question.
YB8.
YB8.
YB8.
The how is this?
If you want to fly to Zurich, I don't know where you live exactly, but my bet is you have

(01:08:16):
to go from where you're sitting to an international airport.
And when you get to the international airport and if you have a seat and you actually are
ready and you're there at the right time, you'll get to Zurich.
But if those things aren't true, you're not going to Zurich.
And it's interesting that I want you to think about, and perhaps we could do another talk

(01:08:38):
on this some point time.
I believe that living to 150 is a connecting flight from 100.
When I get to 100, I want to be one of the people ready for what I believe is the new wave
of science.
So that when the many companies that can repair an E, improve the cardiovascular system, improve

(01:09:03):
the cadence and the volume of my lungs, already they're going to say, let's pick him.
He gets to get on the flight.
So instead of having to age to 150, the same way I'm aging from 69 to 100, I believe in
approximately 30 years, a profound change in options is going to be there, but it's not

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going to be there for most people that are nearing 100 because you're not going to optimize
themselves from now till then.
So that's the how, the how is getting to the connecting flight and making sure that I
have the money, the time, the connections, the relationship and the plan.
So I can say, okay, I'm going to 150.

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Is that helpful?
Absolutely.
And if there's others that are listening that want to jump on board with your journey,
how would they best get in touch with you?
Mark 150.com.
That's Mark with a K, M-A-R-K, 150.com.
Please go sign up.
We're going to it's the site is almost finished.

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But you know, you have to basically kind of just keep doing things.
And I would love to talk to every single person with the goal of sharing with them.
It's a choice.
If this is what's good for you, do it.
That's a great place to stop.
And Mark, thank you so much for being on aging today.
And we'll have you back again because like I said, we've only touched the surface.

(01:10:28):
We've only touched the tip of the iceberg.
There's so much more that we can discuss because I think that, you know, one of my goals
is to with aging today is to educate people on the aging process.
And aging is not a bad thing.
It just doesn't have to be that way.
And it's going to take a mindset change.

(01:10:49):
And you change the way you look at aging, aging will change.
But it comes from within me.
It's got start here.
Thank you for the good work you do.
This is very valuable and I truly appreciate being on your podcast.
All right.
This is Mark Turnbull, your host and I want to thank all of you for tuning in to aging today.
We are the podcast where together we're exploring the many ways to options to aging on your

(01:11:15):
terms.
And it's every Monday when we release a new conversation on aging today to your favorite
podcast channel.
And remember this, we're all in the process of aging.
And as we age, we really are better together.
So stay young at heart.
You make me feel so young.

(01:11:35):
You make me feel like spring is from and every time I see your face, I'm such a happy
individual, the moment that she's been.
I want to go play hide and see.
I want to go and bounce the moon just like a toy balloon.

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Well, you and I.
I'll just like a bullet.
Running across the metal.
Pick and I'll lots of forget me.
Not so you made me feel so young.
You made me feel there are songs to be sung.
There will still be run and wonderful things to be fun.

(01:12:20):
And when I'm old and grey.
You've been listening to aging today where together we explore the options to aging on
your terms.
Join Mark and his guest next week for another lively discussion on proactively aging on your
terms, connecting you to the professional advice of his special guests with the goal of

(01:12:41):
creating better days throughout the aging process.
Your host has been Mark Turnbull.
Join Mark and his guest every week on aging today, your podcast to exploring your options
for aging on your terms.
you when I open my head,
you make me feel the way i feel today cause

(01:13:01):
you make me feel so,
you make me feel so,
you make me feel so young,
so young,
you make me feel so young,
you make me feel so young.
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