Deborah Maragopoulos Heal Your Hypothalamus

"Your hypothalamus is very attuned to whatever your sleep habits are." - Deborah Maragopoulos

Aging Today Podcast with Mark Turnbull revisits an insightful conversation with Deborah Maragopoulos, FNP on how the hypothalamus is our command and control center. Known as the "Hormone Queen," Deborah has made it her mission to help people balance their hormones and live optimally, regardless of their age.

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Episode Transcript

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you're too busy aging.
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and our topic today is of no difference.
In fact, if I were to ask you what one organ of the body has a direct effect on your reproduction,

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metabolism, the circadian rhythm, sleep and awareness, temperature regulation, energy
production, immune function, automatic nervous system, the stress response aggression, memory
moods and sexual arousal.
What would you say?
Well, if you're like me, I don't know, maybe the body, but it's an organ, it's called the

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hypothalamus.
And if you guess that, congratulations, you win the 1979 Gremlin.
Do you remember those?
Yes.
Yes.
And here to guide us today along the discussion of the hypothalamus, which I had no idea,
I've heard of it.
I didn't know what it does.

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I didn't know what it did.
I didn't know how it functions, but oh my goodness, when I read our guest book today, I
was like a whole new, perisand open for me.
And I have a lot more empathy, especially for all the women out there that are going through
those, those hot flashes and all those moods that go along with and trust me, my wife,

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I am sorry for not understanding and I have a better understanding today.
So I want to thank our guest and her name is Deborah Marigapoulos.
So welcome to Aging today.
Thank you so much.
Thank you very much for having me.
Well, one of the things that I really enjoyed doing is, I think I got one of the best

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gigs in town.
I get to meet amazing people like yourself, incredible people that spend their lives researching,
studying at a level that puts me to shame.
And I was so impressed with your background and for the work that you've labored, it's
a labor of love.

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I'm sure that you've poured into what you do and how you've addressed the hypothalamus.
But I'm so grateful that we get to have this conversation.
And I just, you know, we start every one of our episodes with our guests and we want to
know what's in your story.
And it's kind of a takeoff on, you know, what's not so much in your wallet, although if you

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want to share that, you can go ahead and do that.
But what's in your story?
How did you get here, Deborah, to this place and you're changing so many lives?
Well, my story as a nurse practitioner, so I'm a clinical expert in the Neuromune Endocrine
System and an expert in the hypothalamus, its function and dysfunction.

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When I first got out of nursing school, I delivered a premature baby that was born
in her sex and we were given the choice of whether or not to choose to raise this child as
a boy or a girl.
There was no third option.
And so I have to learn hormones and receptor sites in the entire endocrine system at the

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age of 23 quickly to help my child navigate the system.
So that led to becoming a hormone expert.
And I was a family nurse practitioner, so I saw women and men and children.
And I was specialized in women's health for a little while and then I went back and started
an integrative practice in 1997 to actually put together complementary therapies with conventional

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medicine.
And so while I'm conventionally trained, most of my postgraduate work has been in complementary
therapies and learning botanicals and herbals and supplements and energy healing, you name
it and trying to put this together.
And that's in 1997, I really like put out to the universe that I really want to understand

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everything about the neuroimmune endocrine system, so the neurological system, the immune
system and the endocrine system that produces hormones.
So let me learn this.
And so I got the universe, sent me the sickest people you could imagine.
They were train wrecks, they had multiple issues going on, but I started to see a pattern
and the pattern led to the hypothalamus.

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It was the hypothalamus that was at the center of all of their issues, male, female, middle
age, young, older.
That was the issue.
And so I started doing research on the hypothalamus and decided to actually figure out what I could
feed the hypothalamus to cure some of these issues and develop a product.

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And so 25 years later, I have a great product.
I have lots of programs.
I've written lots of blog posts.
I've done lots of YouTube videos to educate people on the hypothalamus.
Now do not worry.
Most providers don't know what the hypothalamus is or how to address it.
Okay.
It is the organ in your body that's actually located in your brain.

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So if you put your finger like right between your eyebrows and what's straight into your
brain, it would be right there.
It's at the top of your brain stem.
It is not protected by the blood brain barrier.
So it is exposed to everything you eat, all the toxins, all the viruses, everything that
happens in your body, it gets exposed to and it orchestrates the entire symphony of hormones,

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neurotransmitters and immune factors.
So it's like the operating systems of your human computer and you can think of your hormones
and your immune system and your neurotransmitters is software without an operating system that
computer doesn't work, right?
Yeah.
Does it live next door to the hippocampus?
It's actually below the hippocampus and above the pituitary gland.

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Okay.
So it's in that same general area and the hippocampus.
It's directly with the hippocampus.
In fact, it's the gateway to the hippocampus.
So the body talks to the hippocampus via the hypothalamus.
Yeah.
Okay.
And what I learned is that it's the dashboard.
It's the central communication.

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Central control for everything.
Like Houston, Houston, your autonomic stuff.
And everything you do think about as well.
So it's your memories, your learning.
It's all controlled through the hypothalamus.
Like Houston, we've got a problem.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's Houston.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So that's it.

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So I'm really curious about, and I'm going to back up a little bit about in your past,
in your background.
Uh-huh.
And you were talking about an intersex baby.
Yes.
What are the odds?
I mean, and explain to us, including myself, what is an intersex baby and how rare is
that?
It's actually not as rare as you would think.

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So it's more common than being red-headed.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Wow.
And it happens in, in, uh, all animal species that have, you know, gender and sexual identification.
So animals, basically.
Yeah.
Um, it's basically a kind of a spectrum of what may happen.
So while male is considered X, Y chromosomes and females considered X, X chromosome, there's

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kind of a, a rainbow of possibilities in between there and the other genetics and the
way your receptor sites work will determine whether or not this baby is born with male genitalia
or female genitalia with male type or female type brain function and control and hormones.

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So there's a range of possibility.
In 1984, when I delivered this child, the, in word, intersex wasn't even a term.
So this baby was, was called an X, Y female appeared to be female, but the chromosomes were
male.
Hmm.
And so when that happens, they can be completely, completely non-responsive to their own male

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hormone or they can be partially responsive.
And this child was partially responsive.
So if they're non-responsive at all, they will grow up and look like a female, act like
a female, all the female hormones turn on even though they don't have ovaries.
They just aren't responding at all to testosterone.
But my child responded to both the male and the female hormones.

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So in terms of the personality and the brain, this child was very much intersex.
The way the baby developed was much more verbal, red, really early and very social, like
a female baby usually is.
So by a year old, most babies, if you actually look at baby's brains at a year old, the female
brain is way more, the female baby's brain is way more developed and that's because of

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the female hormones crossing over that corpus cavernosa.
So this child had the kind of brain that a female has at a very young age, but also had masculine
tendency.
So it had both, both was happening.
So because it was such a new, a new, it wasn't new in history, but it was new in medicine,
especially in the United States.

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In the United States, they only gave me, gave my husband and I two choices.
You either choose a male or a female in other countries.
So here was the choice of not choosing at all what we call a middle sex or an intersex
at this point.
And that was just let the child choose later and see what happens.
And then have original cultures when people were born this way, they basically made their
own choice of how they would live out their life and they might change.

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They may start off more female and then have a male stint and then maybe, you know, asexual
or bisexual or by gender.
I mean, it's just, it's, there's such a range.
So it just allowed me to explore hormones and receptor sites in such a deep way because
I was motivated to help my child have the best outcome as possible.

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Yeah.
Isn't that amazing how that works?
The motivation and because it got personal and yeah, fast, fascinating.
Well, that was a rabbit trail.
It was.
It really was.
I call that the rabbit.
It doesn't, and it doesn't seem very much like it's related to aging, but actually we
now know the newest research is showing that it really is the reproductive center that

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it actually starts the aging process or not.
So what happens to the main hormone that the hypothalamus makes, gonadotropin releasing hormone,
what happens at the change of life and that's not just for women, that also happens to
men that when that hormone starts to fall, you start aging.
And that happens at a rent between 40 and 60 on the later side for males on the earlier

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side for females, the average is around 50 that that hormone starts to decline in the
aging process starts.
And that was one of my questions in regards to the hypothalamus and your research and work
is focused on the female, the woman's side.
Obviously, men go through menopause as well because you just acknowledged that.

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Yes.
We call it Andropause and men.
Andromining like Androgens.
And my work is for both male and female, although the majority of my SEO on my website is female
because that's the big market.
They're the ones to do the most research on their health and well-being and buy supplements
and things like that.
But the book itself actually highlights both genders, actually all genders, there's a

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transsexual in there as well, and a child.
And so I talk about male and female, middle-life as well as young in the book.
I put complete case studies in there.
So you can see the hypothalamus is part of all of our control centers.
It's not just one of the other.
Yeah, interesting.
All right.
Well, let's get into it.
Let's break down this organ called the hypothalamus.

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And let's get into, what is it?
What's its primary function?
And then how does it affect our lives on a daily basis?
So if I would use one word to describe the hypothalamus as primary function, it is homeostasis,
and that means balance, keeping your body in balance.

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So its job is really to help you survive.
That's its main job.
And it controls all of the hormones that you make.
So it controls your pineal production of melatonin, naturally sleep hormone, your pituitary
glands production of growth hormone and release of prolactin and all of the middle-manager
hormones like follicle stimulating hormone and lute-nivecing hormone.

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It controls your thyroid's production of the thyroid hormones, your thymus's production,
that's an organ that's right above your heart, which controls your immune system.
It controls the thymate hormones.
It controls your adrenal hormones, your pancreatic hormones, and of course your gonads,
either testes in a male or a reason of female.

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So it controls all of those hormones.
It's the master controller.
You can think of the pituitary as the middle manager.
It's not actually controlling, but the hypothalamus tells the pituitary to tell the thyroid adrenals
and gonads what to do.
And then the hypothalamus also controls your neurological system, your autonomic nervous system,
and that's the one that runs without you paying attention to it.

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It's made up of the sympathetic, the excitatory nervous system and the parasympathetic, the
calming part of the nervous system.
It controls your heart rate, your blood pressure, your body temperature, your cellular metabolism,
everything that you don't have to think about.
And then it also controls the neurotransmitters that run your brain.

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All of those amino acids pass through the hypothalamus and the hypothalamus is the main producer
of the majority of amino acids.
One in particular is dopamine.
It produces more dopamine than the rest of the brain put together.
And then it also controls your immune system.
It controls it via your circadian rhythm and through your thymus.
And it talks directly to your gut.

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So the hypothalamus and the gut, particularly the gut microbiome, are at communication with
one another so that the hypothalamus then triggers you to eat certain foods and sleep in
a certain way and have a certain mood based on what's going on in the gut.
One of the things that I picked up, we've had several shows on the gut in the biome.

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And I've been learning, okay, we've got two brains.
We've got the one upstairs and we got the one downstairs, the gut.
And then you mentioned that I have a third brain.
You have two brains, per se.
The third brain I believe is your heart.
Your heart actually has the same neurotransmitian system as your brain and your gut does.

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And so I see your body as having three brains and the hypothalamus orchestrating all three
of those brains.
And we usually, throughout history, we refer to the heart as the center of our being.
And there's some truth to that.
But it also encompasses the gut and the brain itself.

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>> Exactly.
So if I had to put in order of importance in terms of survival, your heart would be number one.
And then your gut would be number two and then your brain actually would be number three.
So if we had to shut nutrients to the organs in priority, heart gets it first then the
gut then the brain.
>> Yeah.
And explain why you have indicated that the heart is a brain.

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And I found that fascinating because one of the things that I've learned about my grandparents,
my grandmother died first.
And my grandfather, who was as strong as an ox, passed very shortly afterwards.
And I believe he died of a broken heart.
>> Very, very common.
It's very common for people who've lived together for a long period of time to follow each other

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in death.
There's an institute in Northern California called the Heart Math Institute.
And they've been looking at how the residents or the electromagnetic of the heart influences
each other, how we influence each other, and also how that influences the brain or the central
nervous system.
The heart produces the same neurotransmitters as the brain does and as the gut does.

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And so it actually is a control mechanism although it's not thinking per se, but the feelings
that you feel create a vibration and also create a chemical response which affects your
brain and your gut and the rest of your body.
>> Okay.
So if the hypothalamus is functioning properly and it's regulating and communicating throughout

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the body, orchestrating the whole thing, we're healthy.
>> Yep.
You're healthy, you're aging gracefully.
It's not going to stop the aging process, but it's a lot slower.
You go through the change of life a lot later so that everything lasts longer.
Your vital organs last longer, your brain functions better, your metabolism at a cellular level

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is healthier, you detoxify better.
So you're healthier.
>> Yeah.
And so what happens along the way?
How does it become dysfunctional?
>> The lack of proper nutrition so if the hypothalamus doesn't get the nutrients it needs, it
doesn't function properly.
Okay.
Lack of sleep, if you miss enough sleep that will definitely mess up the hypothalamus.

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Toxins like heavy metals, pesticides, chemical toxins will affect the hypothalamic functioning.
And we also know that certain microbes particularly viruses affect the hypothalamus functioning.
We know that the Epstein bar virus does and now we know since the pandemic, COVID-19
definitely affects hypothalamus function.

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In fact, long COVID is hypothalamic dysfunction.
>> I didn't know that.
>> That's the greatest thing, one of the greatest things about the pandemic is the amount of
research coming out on the hypothalamus.
Now that we're studying COVID-19.
>> Why do you suppose that there's so little conversation when I go to my doctor or

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just in general about the hypothalamus?
It seems like it's a very important organ.
It's doing an extremely important function performing anyhow.
And when it turns dysfunctional, it can wreak havoc on our bodies.
Why so much silence?
>> That's a really good question.
We can't directly measure hypothalamic hormones to determine function.

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And typically when you see a healthcare provider, they're looking at blood and urine and
different lab measurements to determine function.
And this really takes a medical detective in order to figure out what's going on with your
hypothalamus.
So when I'm looking at a patient, I'm not just looking at blood work, although I'm looking
at blood work through different lenses than most healthcare providers.

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I'm putting things together differently.
But I'm also taking a really, really thorough history.
I'm looking at the narrative of their complaints and trying to figure out what might have
set the hypothalamus off in the first place.
And there's kind of a triad of different organ systems I'm looking at that give me a gist
of what's going on with the hypothalamus.
It's kind of like field biology.
I'm looking at the downplay, the downstream events.

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So like I'm on the trail and I see some scat on the trail and I can tell if it's a coyote.
And if I, you know, collect it and measure it, I can see if the coyote is in heat or if
she's nursing babies or she has parasites, but I never saw the coyote.
So that's the hypothalamus.
I can look at all of these blood work, but never really see what's actually going on with
the hypothalamus.

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So I got to put things together and it takes work and it takes time and our medical system
isn't really set up to spend a lot of time with you to figure that out.
So when you get treatment, you get treated kind of downstream.
This is upstream medicines.
So you get symptom control and not just in medicine, but also also I see this in functional
medicine as well.
You're still getting some symptom control.
We're treating bugs and toxins and, you know, infections, but we're still not looking

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at the central controller.
Is there any medical devices, you know, diagnostic imaging or something to be able to look at?
You can see it on an MRI, but just because you have what looks like a normal looking hypothalamus
doesn't mean that it's functioning normal.
So the MRI is only going to show the anatomy of the optic.

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But you can't see scarring.
You can't see scarring.
You can see scarring.
You can see tumors.
We've actually know through studies that people with a chronic depression or PTSD or chronic
anxiety, their hypothalamus actually looks different than someone without those conditions.

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So we know the HPA access is highly the hypothalamus pituitary adrenal access is highly activated
during those situations.
And it actually swells and their hypothalamus is 5% bigger than normal when they have had
chronic depression, anxiety or PTSD.
So are doctors becoming more and more aware of the hypothalamus and it's when it's damaged?

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They're starting to become more aware because there's been more research.
So there's been more research.
So for instance, right now what's really popular is obesity drugs.
There's some new drugs for obesity.
They actually target hypothalamic glucose.
So what's going on in the hypothalamus?
Because the research show that that really is the core of obesity and inability to manage

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your weight when you're exercising and you're eating well and you still can't lose weight,
it's the hypothalamus that's the issue.
That one single line of research led to.
So it's now the hypothalamus and the hypothalamic connection is becoming more popular because
people are interested in that.
But we also, we see it in aging research.
Aging begins in the hypothalamus.

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We see it, hypothalamic inflammation is the beginning of the aging in the brain and at
the cellular level.
Disfunctional or damaged hypothalamus.
The outcome of that is that it's going to have a tremendous impact on the life cycle,
especially amongst women.
And men.
And men too.
Oh yeah, men too.

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Yeah, hypothalgonatism and young men, adrenal issues, thyroid issues, neurological issues,
male and female, not just women.
And so by repairing it, we can get back to more of a normal function.
Is that, yes.
Is that the goal?
Yes, the goal is to instead of focus on all the abnormal functioning, focus on the master

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controller and try to give it what it needs to heal and then it will heal the abnormal functioning.
And so how did you go about approaching that?
Well, I went about approaching that a couple different ways.
I tried to figure out what affected the hypothalamus the most.
And I found that there were five things that affected the hypothalamus that were, and research
now has caught up with what I've been doing for 25 years.

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So in the last 10 years, research is looking a little more forward towards the hypothalamus.
And I'd say in the last three to four years, incredibly, way more hypothalamic research
out there that supports what I've seen clinically in 25 years.
So the five things are nutrition.
So if the hypothalamus doesn't get what it needs nutritionally, it can't function properly.

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It's particularly sensitive to getting enough amino acids and enough essential fatty acids,
particularly poofas which are polyunsaturated fatty acids.
It also needs lots and lots of botanically derived micronutrients.
So basically from plants.
So a plant-based diet which is rich in healthy fats and gives you an adequate amount of protein

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is a great diet for the hypothalamus.
Standard American diet, not so good.
It's just like it says, it's sad.
It's sad.
So I usually prescribe a true Mediterranean diet for most of my patients and then become
very particular according to what their health issues are on how we organize that diet.

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The second thing is activity.
A sedentary body ages faster, doesn't function normally.
You have to move.
And so whether it's formal, exercise or a very active lifestyle, you need to be active.
Exercise actually stimulates the hypothalamus to raise your metabolism at a cellular level.
Let me talk a little bit about activity.

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So my mom's 94.
Lived a very active life in the business world, raised five children, amazing woman.
Still alive today.
And in fact, we're living with her, helping her to live her best life possible.
So my dad, who was very active, has since passed just about a year ago.

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And I see this amongst a lot of different, I know women tend to live longer.
But when it comes to activity, she didn't hold a candle to my dad.
And I've seen it in other couples along the way as well.
What's going on there?
I've always been curious about that.
Why is it that the women get to live longer?

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Well, women live longer for a couple of reasons.
One is, is their metabolism actually isn't as fast as male metabolism.
Men get like more kilocalories per pound than women get to maintain their metabolism.
So they burn it a little bit faster.
But because they're burning faster, they're using up cellular resources faster.
So they're basically burning their engines too hot.

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Okay.
So women are kind of, you know, I mean, we do better women do better on, you know, super long
endurance, ultra endurance races because.
Yeah.
And going slower longer is how you win the game.
Yeah.
So on a metabolic level, women are meant to live a little bit, a little bit longer in that sense.
We don't need to be as active in order to get the benefits.

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So our activity can be at a lower level and we can still get the same benefits as men,
men have to be much more active, maintaining the muscle mass that men have compared to women.
There's a lot more activity.
It also takes a lot more protein intake.
So we don't need to eat that, we don't need to kill all those wildebeest and run after

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them in order to maintain this body.
And even how we store our body fat is for longevity versus men don't do as well storing
extra body fat.
Women need the extra body fat to actually survive.
Interesting.
That's a piece of it.
And then there's a lot of theories and kind of the anthropological theories and looking

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at long-liven animals like whales and elephants and it's the females that live longer.
And they actually pass on to the next generation their wisdom, how to survive as an elephant
or a whale.
And so that's part of, you know, I think in human evolution is women live longer because

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it's the older females that are actually helping the younger females raise the children and
pass on the information on how we survive.
Yeah.
That men can't do that.
But also the male brain doesn't organize all the information in the same way the female
brain does.
Yeah.
The biology and the millennium of years that we've been on this planet and it's interesting

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the differences between the sexism, how they perform.
I think it's fascinating.
And we call it an ember complementary.
We need both of us and we need to perform in different ways.
Yeah.
You know, and then there's all this, you know, in between where, you know, certainly females
can do what males can do and males can do some of what females can do and we can share
some of these, some of these right now where at an age where we don't need that distinct

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masculine feminine entities in order to survive because we have so much technology.
But we still need those energies, those ways of us being complementary with one another
in order to, you know, survive on this earth and not destroy it and pass on what we need
to pass on to the next generation.
Assuming we don't go back to the Neon just for all days moving forward, do you see?

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Oh, let's hope not.
Yeah, yeah.
But moving forward, do you see the differences becoming more and more blended like evolving
together?
I think we're already seeing that.
Yeah.
I think we're already seeing that is that kind of a blending of characteristics because that's
how we're surviving.
So.

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Yeah.
Fascinating.
Okay.
So you got nutrition activity.
What's the third one?
Third one is sleep.
So you need so many hours of sleep according to your age in order to have a healthy metabolism,
healthy body, healthy brain.
If you start to miss that sleep and we see that in people who are graveyard shifts, it
does cause hypothlemic dysfunction.

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So if you're not, especially if you're not sleeping at night in the dark and we see a lot
of sleep dysfunction which causes hypothlemic dysfunction ever since these devices, this thing
we're on right now, this computer, these screens, the blue light from these screens and we
hold up a, you know, a phone or a tablet and we continue to watch these when we're in

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bed, that's all sending messages to the hypothalamus that the day is still going on.
It's not nighttime yet.
Yeah.
Raps the hormones of, of nighttime.
So, so those that have jobs where they, they have to work nights and sleep during the day.
What's that doing to their hypothalamus?
Is it, if they're staying on a consistent pattern, doesn't it work in function the same way?

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They actually find that people that work graveyard shifts for long periods of time have increased
hypothlemic inflammation, they have increased risk for insulin resistance and diabetes and
metabolic disorders, including heart disease and stroke.
Oh wow.
Okay, so this is where the rubber meets the road for me as a business owner and I have,

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you know, a hundred caregivers that are in the city of Portland, you know, helping people
to remain independent in their own home.
And we have caregivers that are performing tasks at night.
At night.
So, now I'm feeling really bad.
Well, a couple things is, night workers need to learn how to sleep during the day and they

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need to create a cave.
They need to create a very dark space for sleeping and they need to make their routines such
that their body is able to make the melatonin during that time because it's very dark and
then get up as if the sun is up, even if it's, even if they're getting up at night.
So they need to use sun lamps.

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They need to be exposed to, you know, natural light or the same, you know, like through a
sun lamp in order to reset that circadian rhythm.
My husband was a police officer for 30 years and worked grave evenings, days, every like
a few months they would switch them.
And so we've worked a lot with switching his circadian rhythm so he would be as healthy

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as possible and not develop these metabolic conditions.
Yeah.
So it was work.
Did it work?
It did work.
Okay, good.
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an intuitive and aggrative nurse practitioner focusing on the healthy functioning of the

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as they discuss the healthy functioning of the hypothalamus and her supplemental formula,
Genesis Gold, here on Aging Today.
Is there a formula out there because of what you did with your husband?
Did you share with your listening audience that maybe is on those night shifts that would

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be helpful?
Yes, so what you want to do is you want to, when you're going to sleep, you want to make
sure that you haven't overexposed yourself to too much light before you go to sleep.
So almost like you're in the desk.
So it'd be a good idea to put on some pink tone sunglasses and as you're driving home
in the day light, the sun's coming up but you're pretending it's dusk so that you can start

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making melatonin, okay?
And then when you're going to sleep, you want to make sure your room is completely dark.
Now of course you may be waking up later.
So you might need to use and what we got were those light, those alarms that were like
a sun lamp so that it would slowly get lighter and lighter and lighter and then have a
sound alarm as well to wake him up.

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And then at least 20 minutes in a 24 hour period per day needs to be exposed to either natural
light or the sun lamps to reset that circadian rhythm.
People will leave a nighttime job, drive home during the day exhausted, drink a bunch of caffeine,
try to keep themselves up so they can make the drive and they're literally turning all

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their systems on for daytime when they need to be turning them down.
So trying to adjust some of your habits.
So for instance, because I worked some night shifts as a nurse early on so instead of
caffeine it up, I would actually just make sure I didn't urinate before driving home so
I had a full bladder and I would get a cup of ice and I'd put it between my legs so I'd

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be cold and stay awake during the drive.
Yeah, all that's going to happen.
And then having my adrenals up again, so you've got to find little tricks so that you
can then get to bed and then everything was like, "Weat, at the time there wasn't blackout
shades.
I used to put foil on the windows to make it completely black in there in the room."

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Yeah, wow.
What else about sleep?
Well, I think the biggest thing is starting a routine.
So you need whether you're sleeping during the, hopefully not during the day, but sleeping
at night or during the day.
You need some kind of a routine.
Your hypothalamus is very attuned to whatever your sleep habits are.
So whether that is, you know, listening to certain music, turning off certain lights, reading

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a book, taking a hot bath, you, when you stick with that routine, the hypothalamus starts
making those nocturnal hormones.
And so having a good sleep hygiene means a good sleep routine that works for you.
Okay, good.
So it can be different for everyone, but you need to stick with it.
Yeah.
And trying to get at least seven to nine hours of sleep in the dark as much as possible is

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key.
And getting up with the sunlight in the morning and being exposed to that sunlight helps
to reset the circadian rhythm as well.
So I don't know if it's my age or maybe I'm going through what's it called for men, not
menopause, but angiopause.
Angiopause, thank you.
Angiopause.
And maybe I'm going through angiopause.
But three o'clock in the morning.

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I'm like, boom, I'm up.
It's going on there.
So your hypothalamus is, it's not damaged, but it's not functioning properly.
It's very common as we get older to get these middle of the night awakenings.
And it's that a couple of things happen.
It's the lowering of melatonin, but it's also a spike in cortisol.
So you get this adrenal circadian dysfunction where you're spiking some cortisol at night.

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And then of course, you know, a lot of us as we get older, we have to urinate in the middle
of the night.
But the reason you have to is because your hypothalamus isn't producing enough anti-diuretic
hormone at night.
So you're not concentrating your urine and your bladder is filling up.
So yeah, so all of that is controlled by the hypothalamus.
So if your hypothalamus is functioning normally, even as you get older, you actually sleep

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really well all the way through the night.
Hmm.
Then I need to work on my hypothalamus.
We need to work on your hypothalamus.
All right.
So we talked about exercise, sleep, and nutrition.
The fourth thing is your mindset.
So that's where that whole three brains comes in and the vibration and how that affects
your chemistry.

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If you have a negative mindset, meaning your, the glass is half empty, you know, woe is
me.
When's the next shoe going to fall kind of a thing?
They actually have shown studies that people that develop dementia with age are more likely
to when they have a negative attitude.
And they actually looked at like almost 50,000 people in like five different countries

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and did post-mortem exams on brains and could see that even with neuropathology, if you
had a positive mindset, you were less likely to develop dementia even with neuropathology.
Wow.
So your mindset is huge because what you believe becomes, you can heal yourself through your

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beliefs.
Now you do have to do the other things.
I can't just want it and wish it.
Yeah.
If I'm not eating well and sleeping well and being active.
Yeah.
The brain is amazing because belief systems, you know, that's, those getting grained.
The way I describe it a lot to some of our clients and when I go in and speaking engagements,

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your belief systems are the way they're patterned into our brains.
It's think of the organ trail and you got all these wagon trains running over the terrain
and they just put an imprint, an imprint, an imprint over and over and over again.
And they're still there today.
And belief systems work somewhat the same way, you know, they're just absolutely.

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So check on a positive attitude.
And it takes some training and you have to literally retrain your brain.
Retrain your neuroendocrine system to think and feel in a different way towards things.
And it is possible.
I've seen it happen.
It just takes some work.
Yeah.
You've had some, you know, hidden demons in there, some old past life stuff that has been
happening, you know, happened to you.

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It can catch up with you when you least expect it.
So it's super important that you work on those pieces as well.
But it is really, it's very effective to be a really good cheerleader and coach for your
body.
Yeah.
What are some of the ways that you cheerlead for your body?
Well, the thing is, is I tend to be kind of a poly-anipersonally, how that's my personality

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and attitude is to see the positive in whatever is happening.
But one thing that I try to teach my patients and what I do for myself is I believe everything
happens for a reason, even the bad stuff.
And so there's always a lesson somewhere.
So when I gave birth to my inner sex baby, I was pregnant at the same time as quite a few,
my other nurse friends were all, you know, about the same age, got married at the same

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time.
And they were just astounded that I was taking this positive.
Not only were they intersex, they were super premature.
They only weighed 2 and 1/2 pounds at birth.
So spent, you know, the first six weeks of their life in the NICU.
So I saw it as a learning experience for me.
This happened for a reason and I need to figure out why and why it was given not this burden

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but this gift and how can I make the best of it?
Yeah.
So even when my body talks to me, like I spray an ankle on a trail, do I need to slow down
for some reason?
It could be something as practical as you should have worn your hiking boots and tied them
up tighter or it could be something as, you know what, you need to slow down, you need to
stop.
This is your time to just slow down and stop.

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So and I tell my body as I'm in the healing process, what a great job it's doing, try to
look for the good stuff and sit at the bad stuff.
You know, positive reinforcement, just like I train a dog, a horse or a child, same I
talked to this body the same way.
Yeah, one of my favorite qualities in humans is curiosity.

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And essentially that's what you're saying is be curious about even when the bad comes,
you know, take this moment, be curious and ask, okay, well, maybe not so much about why
it happened but how do you want me to respond?
And maybe there is something that we can learn from this and make it an opportunity.

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Absolutely.
Yeah.
I tell patients who have, you know, pretty serious health issues that oftentimes it takes our
body, dreaming at us in order for us to listen with a, with a serious diagnosis.
When they come in with lesser health issues, I'm saying, well, this is a good thing.
It's just whispering.
So let's pay attention.

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Well, it's just whispering at you and not screaming with a cancer diagnosis or heart disease
diagnosis.
Let's back up a little bit.
What else, how can I do things differently?
What else do I need to understand about this situation?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And it's fun to be around people like that too.
So they're amazing people.
I, um, my administrator, you know, I'm going to give a shout out to my administrator, Joanne.

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One of the most positive, amazing people that I've ever met and she's had double mastectomy.
She's had, she broke, fell off of a curb in the ice storm and shattered her leg, her ankle,
and can barely walk.
And through the whole time she showed up to work, she didn't complain.

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The one thing I'd say to her is, stop being so positive and take a day off.
But she's, but that's what keeps her going.
She's remarkable.
And I just love being around people like that.
I've learned so much from her.
When I think I'm done, I can go a little bit harder.
Absolutely.
It's an example to follow.
On my mother's side of the family, the women tend to live longer.

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And I was visiting with some elderly aunt, spinster aunts and cousins.
And one of them who is 90 to years old climbed up on a chair to get some extra coffee cups
to serve us some, it's a Italian family and filly.
And the younger cousin came up to her and tried to like, you know, corral her.
So she wouldn't fall and she took her dish talents, slapped at them, said, if you help me,

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you'll kill me.
Let me do it myself.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Awesome.
But it is true.
The more you can do for yourself, you know, the more you show up and do the things that you
need to do for yourself, the longer you live.
Yeah.
And that's what we're doing with mom.
You know, she's 94 and you know, we don't let her get away with anything.

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She's got to do it on her own.
And I tell her that and she goes, yeah, I want to do it.
Don't do it for me.
Do it with me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Perfect.
And nutrition, activity, sleep, mindset, what's the fifth one?
The fifth one is hypothalamus support.
So basically giving the hypothalamus the actual nutraceuticals it needs to heal.

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So this is a tricky one.
Research has shown that hypothalamus is very responsive to like I said, depoofas and amino
acids and botanicals.
But even with the perfect diet, it is really hard to get everything that it needs.
And if it's dysfunctional, even harder.
So that's where I developed a nutraceutical to actually support the hypothalamus.
My best example for that effect is a young woman who came to see me who was probably in her

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30s.
And she didn't have any hormones of her own.
She never started her periods when she was young.
She was on adrenal support thyroid hormone.
She was taking sex hormones and she also was diabetic, taking insulin.
She was on everything because she didn't make any hormones on her own.
And so she came to me in the beginning to get off all the synthetics and try to do more

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natural things.
So we did bioidenticals and I was using more supplements with her instead of her anti-anxiety
and her sleep aids and that kind of thing.
And after a couple of three years of working together, I finally had my nutraceutical develop
and I said, let's just feed your hypothalamus and see if you can make your own hormones.
And within 18 months she was.
She was making all of her own hormones.

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We got her off adrenal hormones.
We got her off thyroid hormones.
She no longer needed to take sex hormones.
She had periods.
So I told her she needed to use contraception if she didn't want to have a baby.
And she said, oh no, I've been infertile all my life.
I'm like, but you're not now.
And at the age of 41 she gave birth to a healthy baby boy.
Wow.
Wow.

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That's really.
So I know that you can actually heal the hypothalamus.
It just takes time.
A lot of time.
But at least 90 days just to get things started and then one month per year you've been out
of balance.
In her case, it was like 18 years.
She was out of balance.
So it took a full year and a half to get back into balance where the hypothalamus took

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over.
And maybe you've already answered this question, but what's depleted that's causing all these
dysfunctions in our body?
Did the hypothalamus start out with a full tank of gas and over time it didn't get a
chance to replenish itself of whatever amino acids or whatever.

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I'm not a very good medical person.
So I don't have the terminology.
Oh, is this right?
I'm your common dumb guy.
What can I tell you?
I'm a dumb jock.
But what happened along the way?
And then let's talk about how to refuel the tank so that the hypothalamus is functioning
at a high level again.
I think the majority of people in our modern society don't eat enough variety of foods

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to get all the micronutrients necessary for the hypothalamus.
And we also don't eat in season.
So our hypothalamus, actually, as well as the rest of our physical bodies, developed when
we were more hunter-gatherers.
OK, so we would follow the herds and we would gather what foods were available most of
the time we lived by water sources, usually by the ocean.

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So we got a lot more sea vegetation or fish.
And we got nutrients in a different way than we get now.
Most of the patients that I see, although they usually eat pretty darn healthy because
by the time they come to me, they've tried everything.
But the majority tend to limit their diet to very few foods.
I mean, I've had some day like eat five things.
That's not enough variety for the hypothalamus to get all the micronutrients necessary.

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So I grew up on a healthy Mediterranean diet and I still wasn't getting everything
necessary.
Stress, infections, you can throw things off.
My body fat was too low.
I was a competitive athlete, a tri-apalete, and I didn't have enough body fat to make the
hormones I needed.

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So I found, once I started supporting myself nitrissutically, I was able to get back in
a balance.
And that's what I see with my patients and my customers as well.
It takes time.
It doesn't happen overnight.
But it does happen.
And so that then supports.
It's the fifth piece.
It's not the only piece.
They can't eat a sad diet and not sleep and be a couch potato and have a negative attitude

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and just take the nitrissutical.
That's not going to be enough.
So is it that the hypothalamus is in a worse position in our society today than it was 100
years ago?
Even longer ago, yes.
Well, as soon as we started, you know, basically limiting how much, what kind of foods that
we were able to get and eating by season and basically gathering foods as much as possible

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herbs and other foods, not just meat and potatoes kind of thing.
Our hypothalamus stopped getting the nutrition that it needed.
Now we have medical science that gives us antibiotics and all kinds of things that will
prolong our lives because we can fight infections.
But it's hard to get that vast amount of nutrition that we were exposed to and that we were

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brought up with.
We were genetically brought up with, you know, from the beginning of our DNA.
So I think that that's a piece of it, but, you know, we also live a lot longer too than
we were few hundred years ago.
And so, you know, we're actually needing more refined fuel as we get older.
We don't do as well at, you know, digesting and absorbing those nutrients as we did when

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we were younger.
So let's talk a little bit about what you feel the hypothalamus, if I can use this as
a analogy, the gas tank.
What do you fill it up with?
You created this formula that --
Yes, I did.
Okay.
I did.
And I based it on a couple of things.
There wasn't a lot of research back in 1999 when I was first really doing my own in-house

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studies with my really sick patients and saying, "Wow, this, it must be the hypothalamus
steps, you know, that's out of balance.
What can I feed it?"
And I was looking for one thing, figuring there would be one amino acid or one fatty acid or
one vitamin.
But it wasn't one thing.
And so the actually, the answer to me in my research now has proven what I put together,
but in 1999, there wasn't the research.

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So that same intersex child was 14 years old when they directed me on how I was going
to figure this out.
And I was trying to do some research online.
There wasn't really good search engines then.
And really, there was no research on the hypothalamus and nutrition.
And they basically told me, "Mom, maybe you should meditate on this and see what comes
in your dreams."

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So I did it.
I meditated on it and I put out to the universe.
Please show me what I can feed the hypothalamus for these patients to help them to heal.
And I had the same exact dream every night for three months.
And in the dream, I was standing before a tree.
I called it the tree of life and I was holding a chalice.
It looked like a wine chalice.
And there was a liquid in it.
And my worst patients would come to me.

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They'd drink from this cup.
We never spoke.
And I'd wake up and ask, "What was in the cup?"
And I would just start writing.
And so I had this journal of all this stuff.
Some of it was chemical equations.
I had to look some stuff up.
It was like this intuitive writing.
After three months, I came up with this formula and I put it together.
It took me three years to actually create it.

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So what it is, the basis of it, what came in at first were the amino acids.
And they were certain, we all have the same amino acids in our systems.
A frog has the same amino acids as you do.
It just put together differently.
Where do we get naturally?
Where do we get amino acids from?
Protein.
From protein.
And primarily red meat.
No, not just red meat.
You can get it from any animal source, but you can get proteins from plants as well.

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You just have to be able to put certain plants together in order to get all these central
proteins.
Some of the proteins you can make by taking other amino acids and putting it together.
But for the most part, you do need there's nine essential amino acids that you've got to
get from your diet.
And most vegetarians have a difficult time getting that unless they know how to put their
legumes together with certain greens so they can get those nine essential amino acids.

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But which means we can't make it on your own based on your protein foods.
So mostly we get it from these proteins.
What I did with these amino acids is I just put them together as they came in these dreams
of mine and created this amino acid formula.
I was able to actually start playing around with that before I manufactured the whole formula
because I worked with an amino acid provider and like pretty much put these together in

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my kitchen and started experimenting with people and family and animals and whatever, who
would ever take my stuff and report back to me what they were feeling.
And so that was the first three years.
And then after that, the rest of the formula is the majority of it is C-bedetation and
then whole plant foods are in this, including a lot of the botanicals and herbs that I would

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use with my patients for adrenal support, thyroid support, pituitary, gonadal support,
but in very, very tiny microdosing.
So it's kind of like a soup, this green soup.
It's a powder, you mix it with water and you drink it down.
There's digestive aids, detoxification aids in there, probiotics, that's my product.
It's called Genesis Gold and it's what I put together to actually support the hypothalamus

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long term.
What do you say to the critic out there that says, "Come on Deborah, really?
In a dream?
You got this recipe?"
So how do you respond?
Well, I think that most people who are creative actually intuit things before they research
them, even Albert Einstein, he dreamt his theory of relativity.

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That came in his dreams.
So then he did the math.
I dreamt what was possible and then I did the math.
I did the research on every single ingredient, try to figure out if they would work together,
didn't change what came in the dreams, but just made sure that I could, I could hypothetically
say, "Yes, this would be safe.
They would work together."

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And then I started doing in-house clinical trials per se, feeding it to people and having
them report back and doing vital signs and blood work and checking to see what was going
on.
Since I've put together this formula, the research now has shown that the hypothalamus is
responsive to certain amino acids, polyunsaturated fatty acids, sea vegetation, what's in the formula?

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We actually see proof of that.
But if I waited until research proved what I kind of intuitively know and what I how I work
with my patients, I would not have been able to help as many people.
I tend to work out of the box.
Somebody comes to me and says, "Please, you know, what do you think?
What do you do?"
And I'll do research online and try to figure out what's going on, but sometimes there's

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not any protocols for this particular issue for them.
So I say, "Listen, they've done these my study, these rat study, and they're here in Japan
and they're doing this.
Let's see if this might work for you and create a therapeutic plan for this person."
And then there's one person and then there's five people and then there's 20 people and
now I have a protocol.

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That's the detective part of it.
You know, the research.
Yeah.
And there's that relationship between Western medicine and Eastern medicine and somewhere
where those two worlds come together.
And essentially that's what you're doing.
And I think on the west side of the street we're coming to grips with the east side and

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embracing it more and more.
I see that in our culture and so that's all good.
Well, most Western providers, most conventional medical providers, physicians, nurses, etc.
will say that they do need to follow their intuition and when they don't is when they make
mistakes.
Yeah.
So even though we don't talk a lot about it, I mean for years, I really

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didn't tell my patients how I did what I did because it was too kind of spooky.
I would dream about somebody coming to me before they ever arrived.
I already knew what was wrong with them.
They'd walk in the door and I'm like, oh, I already saw you last night in my dream.
So I don't know what that is.
All I know is I'm open to it.

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So when this dream of this formulas came and I took it seriously because I've been dreaming
things in my life, my entire life since I was a child.
And things would happen that were I had already drifted.
I already kind of knew it.
So I follow that.
And that's how I even do a lot of my research.
So rather than doing exhausted Google searches, I basically kind of meditate about it and put

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that out in the universe and then just the right terminology comes to me and things pop
up pretty quickly.
So how many years ago was it that you put this formula together through the dream process?
I first manufactured it in 2003.
So it's been just over 20 years.
20 years.
And it has evolved in the sense that because it's from all around the earth, I literally,

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the botanicals are from every continent and every sea, summer wild crafted, summer harvested
through, you know, farming, the majority is organic.
Some isn't organic because it's wild crafted.
But it's just I've had a change thing.
So I used to get a certain seaweed that was in the Pacific Northwest area around the Pacific
fire ring in the Northwest after the radioactive explosion in Japan.

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What was that 10 years ago or so?
I had a change where we harvested.
So I'm constantly going with what's happening on the earth and species may change.
The nutrient quality is very similar, but the species change according to what's available
and what's safe.
Yeah.
Humans can't mess around with the world.

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I can change your world with harvested.
But you don't want to over harvest in certain areas and change things up a little bit.
So.
Yeah.
And so I can picture, you know, Deborah and her little white coat and she's mixing these
formulas.
How do you know how much of, you know, one herb or plant base or amino acid or whatever

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the ingredient is?
How do you know how much the hypothalamus needs or can take?
So you don't know of her dose.
That's a really good question.
So research is looked at, you know, single nutrients like chromium, single amino acids like
branch chained, but they haven't looked at like all of these nutrients I put together.
In that case, that is where I really stuck with my dream.

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My dream was very specific on exactly how much of each amino acid and how much of each
of the different botanicals needed to be in there.
And so I, I have not diverted from proportions.
So in a nutshell, the hypothalamus is a living, breathing organ and it's, over time, is malnourished

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if you will, aged from a layman's term here.
And it needs a boost.
It needs some help.
And so then you said, well, we can fix this.
We can make it healthy again.
That's an in that shelf.
That's what I did is I put together something that I could feed my patients and my family
and say, okay, is this making us healthier, great?

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And then when I, when I did that for quite a few years is before I introduced it on the market.
So I kept it in a house for a long time.
For a long time.
I did because I wanted to be sure it was really helping people.
Yeah.
What has been the, the results, you know, what are some of the testimonies of people?
So like I said, with that patient that had the pan hypopartueteriasm, she's like a

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really dapped, drastic case.
But I have women who've been struggling with infertility and are able to get pregnant
within three to six months with the hypophilomic support.
It's definitely slowed down the menopause process.
If you start taking it early on, I went through menopause about 10 years later than my sisters
who did not take my genesis cold.

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So more like what my mom did.
So we grew up with the same diet and we pretty much handle stress pretty similarly.
But I started supporting my hypothalmus in like 38 years old and didn't go through menopause
until I was in my mid 50s.
They went through it in their mid 40s.
So genetically we look like four peas in a pod.

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But I know that there's a difference there.
We know that if you prolong the change, it will increase your longevity and slow the aging
process.
I've had people that have been on thyroid support and they still have a thyroid.
So if you're missing your thyroid, you're going to have to take thyroid support.
But they still have a thyroid.
They've been on thyroid support for years and were able to get them off it once the hypophilic

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is balanced or they have autoimmune conditions and they don't have that under control.
They're very symptomatic and with hypothlemic balancing, they're not as symptomatic, they're
not as reactive.
So it just takes a lot of time.
People have struggled with weight.
People have struggled with memory learning disabilities.
It's worked really well for children and adults with learning disabilities.

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So is there a time when it's too early to take it or too late to take it or?
You mean in terms of the age process?
Yes.
I have women who have taken it through pregnancy.
Of course I always tell them they need to check with their healthcare provider and they've
taken it while they're breastfeeding and they've fed it to their young children as toddlers.

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We've had quite a few children taking it.
And the oldest patient I've had taken is into their 90s.
And I've had people that have taken it since the beginning of its induction so they've been
on it for 20 plus years.
So when it comes to menopausal women during the perifays, the menopausal phase or the

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postmenopausal phase, does that matter when you start?
You can start at any time, it's I think in order to like extend the lifetime of your gonads,
the earlier you started the better.
So if it's a woman's going to go through menopausal 51, let's say, if she can start it in her
early 40s, she may be able to extend her menopausal.

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And at least make the whole situation much easier.
She's not going to be all the sleepless nights, the moodiness, the hot flashes, same for
men with their issues with not being able to put on the muscle mass and having brain fog
and they get hot flashes too when they're testosterone bottoms out.
And sleepless nights, it'll improve that.

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But I've had people started in their 60s and 70s too and notice a change in their health,
more vitality, more vigor, deeper sleep, dreaming.
I got one final question then I want to ask her.
And that is if we don't pay attention to our hypothermalists and we go untreated, does it shorten

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my life or is it just make my life more discomfort?
Both.
You won't have as vital a life and your life will be shortened.
Aging begins in the hypothermalis.
So the more dysfunctional it is, the shorter your longevity.
So if you didn't have a dysfunctional hypothermalis, you may live, you know, six to 12 years
longer than with the dysfunction.

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And those last years with the dysfunction will be much worse in terms of your vitality and
ability to do for yourself.
Think for yourself.
If your hypothermalis is dysfunctional, if you don't help it along.
Yeah.
If somebody is listening and they want to get a hold of you, what's the best way to do that?
My website is genesisgold.com.

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All the emails are there to get a hold of me, to get a hold of my team to ask questions.
I have lots and lots of posts there, blog posts, and also a big YouTube channel to educate
you on pretty much any aspect of health and how it's related to the hypothermalis.
I've hundreds of videos.
Okay.

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Do you consult also with people?
I do.
I do.
I do.
I do.
I take, I still am taking patients.
I also do consults for non-patients through my company, Genesis Health Products, where I
basically talk with you, look at your blood results, all of your lab results, and develop a

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therapeutic plan, try to figure out what's off and then develop a therapeutic plan.
You most of which you can do for yourself and some of which you'll take back to a health
care provider and say, "Hey, I consult it with this expert."
And she's saying that I probably need to have this and this and this.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
Great support.
Well, thank you.
You're welcome.

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Very welcome, Mark.
Yeah.
I really appreciate it and love, love, love your research and this is a life love and I'm
so grateful for being around you and being a part of what you're doing and we want to
get the message out and you can have a healthy hypothermalis.

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And which means you'll have a healthier life and age much more gracefully and live longer.
Amen to that.
We all want that for sure.
Absolutely.
All right.
We want to be functioning right up to that last minute.
Absolutely.
I do.
And what an inspiration to be around people that are in their late 90s and early hundreds
and they still have that get up and go and they've got a positive attitude in their spirit

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and a lot of people say, "I don't want to live that long."
Well, you haven't been around positive people because it's exciting to be able to be in
that position in life and to look back.
Oh my goodness.
There's so much to look back on.
And then my mom and I sit around the living room and we talk about looking forward.
You know, what it's going to look like going forward.

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So it is amazing.
I mean, she's lived so much change in her life to imagine the amount of change that's
going to happen in the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years is huge.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
All right.
Well, thanks again, Deborah, for being on aging today.
Thank you.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you, Mark.
And this is Mark Turnbull, your host.
I thank all of you for tuning in to aging today.

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So stay young at heart.
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And every time I see your face, I'm such a happy individual, the moment that you speak.
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I want to go and bounce the moon just like a toy balloon.
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And you went over the rain.
You make me feel the way I feel today.
How's you make me feel so?
You make me feel so?
You make me feel so young?
You make me feel so young?

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