October 28, 2024 • 54 mins
"Long COVID is not going away... It is treatable. We need more education." - Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum
Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum returns to Aging Today to discuss the complexities of long COVID, emphasizing that many persistent symptoms are treatable despite traditional medicine's lack of responsiveness. He highlights the importance of education in understanding and managing long COVID, defining it as any symptom that persists for more than three months after a COVID infection. Dr. Teitelbaum draws parallels between long COVID and chronic fatigue syndrome, explaining the role of the hypothalamus and how viruses can deplete the body's energy.
"Dr. T" introduces the SHINE protocol as a comprehensive approach to recovery, focusing on sleep, hormones, infections, nutrition, and exercise.
Join the conversation to find hope and healing, particularly for those suffering from long COVID, and offers resources for further education and support.
Learn more about Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum here: www.EndFatigue.com
#LongCOVID #hypothalamus #healthducation #aging #AgingTodayPodcast
Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum returns to Aging Today to discuss the complexities of long COVID, emphasizing that many persistent symptoms are treatable despite traditional medicine's lack of responsiveness. He highlights the importance of education in understanding and managing long COVID, defining it as any symptom that persists for more than three months after a COVID infection. Dr. Teitelbaum draws parallels between long COVID and chronic fatigue syndrome, explaining the role of the hypothalamus and how viruses can deplete the body's energy.
"Dr. T" introduces the SHINE protocol as a comprehensive approach to recovery, focusing on sleep, hormones, infections, nutrition, and exercise.
Join the conversation to find hope and healing, particularly for those suffering from long COVID, and offers resources for further education and support.
Learn more about Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum here: www.EndFatigue.com
#LongCOVID #hypothalamus #healthducation #aging #AgingTodayPodcast
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For those of you who had COVID and have persistent symptoms,
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well, there is fatigue, trouble sleeping, pain,
and you know, any of the host of things,
even heart disease, lung disease,
these are all very, very treatable.
It's after doctor doesn't know,
doesn't mean there's lack of effective treatment,
just lack of effective education.
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- And now the podcast where together,
we discuss proactive aging on your terms,
connecting to the professional advice of our special guests,
while creating better days throughout the aging process.
Now here's your host, Mark Turnbull.
- All right, and then I wanna say hello everyone
and welcome back to another lively discussion on aging today.
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the many options to aging on your terms.
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about the aging process, we really want you to reach out
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to me, your host, Mark Turnbull,
and all you gotta do is email me and it's mark@agingtoday.us.
It's Mark with a K at agingtoday.us.
Well, aging today, as you know, is a podcast about aging.
And if you're not too busy aging or being born,
you're too busy aging.
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And so we recognize we're all aging at our own pace.
There are many ways to age and aging when the aging villain
enters into the picture of our life stories,
accelerating the aging process.
We know that that happens.
And so today, we're going to visit one of those old
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familiar aging villains, yep, it's COVID-19.
And in particular, long COVID.
Did you know, and this is a really fun fact to know,
did you know that 15, 10 to 15% of the people
that have had COVID are living with long COVID,
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17 million people today in the U.S.
are living with long COVID.
79% are living with some form of limitations,
of life's, every activity of daily living limitations.
And then 25% report severe limitations.
After one year, 18% have not yet returned back to work.
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So those are in some important facts to know.
And long COVID is not going away.
And so because it's not going away,
and I know that there are many people that listen to this show.
In fact, I have a personal friend.
She's a nurse friend of mine.
And she was one of the first to be diagnosed with long COVID
in the state of Oregon.
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And so we're going to dedicate this show to Valley.
Valley, this show is all yours.
But anyhow, traditional medicine has not been,
you know, as responsive as maybe we would all like it to be
when it comes to the solutions or the treatments
to long COVID.
But our guest today, he's a familiar face to you.
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If you've listened to Aging Today podcast in the past,
his name is Dr. Tidal Bomb.
And Dr. Jacob Tidal Bomb.
And he's a medical doctor.
And he's one of the world's leading medical experts
in viral infections such as chronic fatigue syndrome,
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fibromyalgia, and energy and pain.
And he has written a new book, One of 12.
And he's written a new book, There is Hope for Healing
in Long COVID.
Dr. T, welcome back to Aging Today.
Mark, it's great to be with you.
And for those of you who had COVID and have persistent symptoms,
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whether it's fatigue, trouble sleeping, pain,
and you know, any of the host of things, even heart disease, lung disease,
these are all very, very treatable.
Dr. Dr doesn't know, doesn't mean there's
a lack of effective treatment, just lack of effective education.
We will teach you today what you need to know
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to begin your recovery.
My book, You Can Heal From Long COVID is cheap.
Amazon is easy to get.
It's a guide book, but we're going to give you
the information today that you need to recover.
And I want you to state that again, because that is,
I went away after reading your book.
It's the thesis of your book is that it is treatable.
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It just, we need more education.
I remember, I got back in 1975, Mark.
I came down with this nasty viral infection.
It was pretty severe.
And you know, the tests show that the weren't infection
they can identify it six weeks later, are still non-functional.
I was basically, I was paying my own way to med school.
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I was working as a nurse and children as hospital.
I couldn't work.
I couldn't focus for school.
I was too exhausted.
I had a dropout.
I was homeless sleeping in parks.
And the professors, they all said, well,
six weeks after viral infection, you should be a buddy.
That's probably the depressed med student syndrome.
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And that's what they're still doing that today.
They've done what the conifities syndrome, fibromyalgia,
any disease that is very complex does not have
an expensive treatment.
And that there is no one test.
You have to use your ears, your mind to diagnose it.
There's no one test you can get to diagnose it,
especially if it affects predominantly women.
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The doctors call it hysteria.
Hysterial comes from the Latin of, for uterus,
to give you an idea of why women get labeled with, you know,
all just in their mind, which is obscene and abusive.
Yeah, yeah.
And so where are we today?
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I mean, four years ago, the world was introduced to this virus.
And four years later, not hearing a lot about it.
And, you know, I mean, occasionally do,
and occasionally you don't, and it goes all over the place.
What have we learned since then?
OK, one, we know that long COVID,
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if you have the tired, achy, brain fog, can't sleep,
kind of process, along with maybe some lightheadedness,
things along those lines, you have post viral fibromyalgia.
We know that.
And we have hundreds of studies I've published eight of them myself
and how to effectively treat that.
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So once you make that connection, oh, this is fibromyalgia,
it's post viral, we know how to treat that.
We know how to take care of that.
All of a sudden you have 50 years of research.
So this date is most doctors going, well,
you know, they gave a diet, they said, how do you define long COVID?
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Any symptom that persists more than three months.
So if you have trouble breathing or trouble smelling,
or you have a heart attack or a stroke or your bedridden,
these are all the same disease.
It's like saying, oh, car crash syndrome.
Don't you think we should maybe separate hip fractures
and skull fractures and chest conditions?
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No, no, it's all car crash syndrome.
And that's now electric car crash syndrome.
We can't use any research from previous car crashes.
Yeah.
You can understand, it's a problem.
We're going to be 30 years before the medical profession
comes up with anything helpful for people.
Yeah.
And you have to wait.
You know this firsthand because you started
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to tell the story in 1975.
1975.
1975.
I was just a junior senior in high school.
It didn't graduate till '76.
I tell you how old I am.
But in 1975, you experienced--
'71.
I don't know about you.
[LAUGHTER]
But you experienced something.
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And that then began to bring a correlation
between what you experienced back then
to what you began to witness, what was happening today.
I've been researching long-overs for 50 years
because of my own experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that's really important to know
because as we get into the long COVID--
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and I want you to give us a good working definition
of what long COVID is--
and then let's get into the symptoms.
And then we can get into some of the remedies
for long COVID.
And I think that there's not enough information out there.
I think that's one of the things that I've learned
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as people that are suffering with long COVID.
There's just not a lot of help by the medical community.
So let's get all that straight.
Absolutely.
So how do you know you have long COVID?
Again, any persistent symptom that started with the COVID
or got worse in by COVID that has lasted more than three months
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while they're intermittent or stay through?
That's the definition of long COVID.
If you're wondering what component do you have--
if you have chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia, brain fog,
if you're exhausted, can't sleep, brain fog, achy,
if you have any two or three of those,
you've got the fibromyalgia component.
There's a simple equation on my website that
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will tell you if you have the diagnostic criteria
for CFS or fibromyalgia.
But if you have the fatigue, you may have 50 other symptoms
with it, but you have the long COVID.
If you have heart disease, not shortness of breath,
many of you will have shortness of breath
that's scared enough.
Email me.
Mark, can I give up my email address?
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yep.
OK, write this down.
fatigue-fatigui.deoc Fatigue.doc@gmail.com.
If you have shortness of breath, ask for the shortness
of breath information sheet.
You can ask for the long COVID information sheet.
Each of the things we talk about today,
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I'm happy to send out three information sheets,
because it's a lot of information
so you don't have the squillable frantically.
You know, I'll be organized for you if you want.
Yeah.
Now, one more thing before we get into the nuts and bolts
of long COVID, why should anyone listen to you, Dr. T?
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What?
I mean, that's really important because I--
I mean, you are a researcher.
One of the things I've really appreciated about you
is that you're a researcher and you're very practical
in the research that you've done
and you're all about solutions.
So get a little bit more into who you are
and why people should trust you.
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Number one, I am an MD.
My background is internal medicine.
So I've been doing this field for almost 50 years now
in terms of researching this area.
I have published as principal investigator,
the lead researcher on eight studies of effective treatment
for post-firal other causes of chronic fatigue syndrome
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and fibromyalgia, which includes long COVID.
I've been asked and have written three medical textbook
chapters on the condition.
I am frequently on CNN Fox, even the lecture,
I'll show when he was on Oprah and friends, good morning,
America, off and out there teaching.
The main concern of many of you now is--
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And don't forget aging today now.
Don't forget the podcast aging today.
Well, aging today is the big one.
That's the big one.
That's the biggest of all of those other diseases cited.
So this is what I do.
I'm a researcher, I'm a scientist, but I'm clinician as well.
So I know how to take broad areas of information
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to put it together.
More importantly, I take no money from any pharmaceutical company.
That's a lot of money that I'm kind of like saying
no thank you to because it's very hard to maintain
objectivity, otherwise--
Yeah.
So I'm here.
I had this.
I know what it felt like to be decimated, crippled,
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go to the doctor and be told there's
nothing wrong with your crazy or implied.
And I know how to get to well.
So nobody pays me to be here.
I'm here because I can help you.
And I know what they're going through.
And I want to help everybody who wants to get well.
How soon did you know that when COVID was hitting,
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that you saw the long COVID and you made the correlation
to chronic fatigue syndrome or to fibromyalgia
or any other inflammation, pain, management type things?
How soon did you know that there was a correlation there?
Within two, three months.
We saw the processes that were being hit.
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We saw the immune changes that were going on.
We saw the changes on the blood testing.
We saw the symptomatic things.
This is not the first infection.
This is more in the order of the 50th infection
to trigger post-phiral or post-infectious
chronic fatigue syndrome.
This is not anything new.
This is just one more.
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We've seen this before.
And once we saw it taking certain pathways,
we saw triggering Epstein-Barrad, reactivation.
And the cortisol is going down.
We saw all these different lab measures and said,
yep, this is doing that long COVID kind of process
or post-phiral fibromyalgia.
So tell me, and as I was reading your book,
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and I came up with this question,
this is really a good question.
What does a circuit breaker, the hypothalamus,
and being, having COVID, having common?
What are all those three having common?
OK, so basically, one of the most important functions
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we have is to keep our temperature from dropping.
Because if we put out in the world,
we can live without water for three days and food for weeks.
But if we don't manage to keep our temperature above 94 degrees
or dead.
So there's a key circuit breaker called the hypothalamus.
It can size the area in the brain.
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It controls sleep.
It controls your entire hormone system.
All of this is done to control temperature regulation,
and it controls blood pressure, pulse, gut, and other functions.
This is all wrapped on one circuit breaker.
It uses more energy for its size than any other area in the body.
So an energy level starts to drop as you see with long COVID.
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That circuit breaker goes into hibernation mode.
And then you have trouble getting greased out of sleep.
You get light-headed when you stand up from time.
You have brain foggy at all these whole cascades or symptoms.
It also ties in with the increased sensitivities.
For those of you who are starting to feel like,
"Cease I'm sensitive to everything.
It changes from day to day."
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It's called mast cell activation syndrome.
That happens when the circuit breaker goes offline too.
You can ask for the sensitivity information sheet when you email me.
Yeah.
And what I gleaned from your book is that the reason why the hypothalamus is so important
is because it does draw the vast amount of energy to the body.
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And then you come to all of us, what's happening when a virus enters into the body?
I found this to be fascinating.
I did not know that viruses don't have any energy of their own.
Explain.
Well, first thing you fight, well, the virus goes into the body.
In this case with COVID, it's usually on voice surfaces inside the nose, the mouth, the
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lungs, the gut.
So the first thing it meets is our Navy called the agia antibody system.
So staying hydrated because our Navy works very poorly in dry dock is really important,
more important than any medication in preventing your kitchen COVID in the future is sleep and
hydration.
I'm going off the topic.
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I'll get right back to it.
But water makes a big difference.
Okay.
Say the cells, your Navy's in dry dock because you dehydrated.
The virus gets to gets into the cells, not sitting there and wants to make billions of baby
viruses, but it has no energy producing equipment to do so.
What it does is hijacks our body's energy furnaces called mitochondria and it uses that energy
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to reproduce.
So what our bodies say is like, ah, dang, we're not going to let it do that.
Your body shuts down energy production to try to starve the virus.
That's why you get exhausted during the flu and other bugs.
Your body is trying to starve the virus.
Now normally your immune system comes in, kills the virus.
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Hopefully, I haven't gotten ahead of it because of slow reproduction by dropping energy.
The virus particles are all gone and I'm seeing anymore lights go back on circuit breakers,
go back on energy furnaces, go back on and your office is your life again.
So what happens when little pieces of the viruses still persist, dead virus, but their body
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hasn't stirred it out.
Your body thinks that virus is still there and it will continue to shut down energy production
and your circuit breaker, if energy doesn't make it stuck in the off position because it
doesn't have the energy to turn back on.
Is that true with all viruses in not just the COVID?
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What about flu viruses and none and on it goes?
Certain viruses are more likely to do this.
We know for Epstein-Barr viruses and major triggers CMV-HH-V6, satellite, amygdala virus.
There may be a dozen viruses.
We know with Lyme disease.
We know with a host of other bacterial infections, the host of parasites, polio is to do this.
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Post-polio syndromes, what they call same thing.
There are certain viruses.
We don't know why some yes and some not.
It's as fever is very common.
We'll trigger the post-firal chronic fatigue syndrome or long COVID as a color here.
Yeah.
Okay, so it's an energy problem.
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It's stealing our energy.
It needs energy to survive.
So what are the implications of it stealing our energy?
How does that make us feel?
So this triggers the whole cascade of problems.
That's why it's so confusing for doctors.
As a doctor, we want somebody to have something simple.
Oh, you have frequent urination and burns.
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You've got a bladder infection.
Yay.
You know, your blood sugar side, you've got diabetes, your blood pressure side, high blood
pressure.
We have a test.
We have basic one or two or three symptoms and a treatment that's perfectly expensive
and then everybody focuses on that.
But there are literally dozens of not hundreds of symptoms that happen and energy goes down.
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So core symptoms tired, achy, brain fog, can't sleep or can't get restored or night sleep.
You've got three or four of those.
You've got post-firal chronic fatigue syndrome.
If it started with COVID, you've got that.
But it can cause hundreds of other symptoms.
Your immune system may be on overdrive and exhausted.
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You may get that every infection it comes by.
You may have pain all over because the low energy causes muscles to let block in a short
position.
Over time, the triggers brain pain and small fibroenterapathy in the brain pain.
This circuit breaker, the reason we stand up for a big bag of water, we stand up gravity
since all blood down to our legs.
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This is a circuit breaker that sends up blood from your legs back up to your head when
we stand up.
So that doesn't work very well.
You get what's called POTS.
POTS for orthostatic attack curries.
You stand up in your heart starts racing and you may be able to light out it and brain fogged.
So these are, you know, none of this thing in your fingers shortness of breath.
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The list goes on and on.
So many of you, instead of getting the viral, the post-phialoconic fatigue syndrome, you
may have had myocarditis.
But we can treat that.
You may have had a host of other, you know, lung entry, lung inflammation.
We can treat that.
And if I can take a moment, Mark, and just look at organ injury damage.
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Yeah.
Damage.
That's three radical.
This is basically just like the virus arrests these organs is called oxidative stress.
And you can help this with things that are antioxidants and anti-inflammatories.
So I will give a product called curamed.
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It's easy to find because that's specific one.
Most curcumin, you need to take 300 pills.
This is just 750 milligrams twice a day.
You can email me for the long COVID organ damage information sheet.
This will all be laid out.
You want to take antioxidants, a good multivitamin.
I like clinical essentials.
Many, many ones out there that are very, will give you the antioxidants easily.
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Anti-acidants, anti-inflammatory turn off the persistent COVID entry that's still going
on in your organs so they can start to heal.
The brain entry, there's PEA and I would get one called healthy immune response.
I'm sorry, healthy inflammatory response.
It actually helps brain cells to grow even with stroke, even with the dementia.
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And any chronic pain has been shown to be incredibly helpful.
So I'm not going to blah, blah, blah, blah, all these things.
But mostly what you have to do is inflammatory and anti-acidants.
You need, and you have an energy crisis.
The key focus today will turn, how do you turn energy production back on?
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Anybody with fatigue or fibromyalgia or pain?
This is going to help you recover.
You know, one of the things that I saw that I read in your book was alluding to this very
topic is that when the virus eventually leaves the body, the body still is in fatigue and
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it hasn't turned itself on just like you were saying.
How do you get that body to turn itself back on and get the energy flowing again so that
you can get rid of all these implications?
Well, here's the thing.
It's kind of like a vicious cycle.
And the turn energy off, circuit breaker goes off.
You can't make enough energy to turn the circuit breaker back on.
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It gets stuck.
So if you restore energy production, you go, this circuit breaker coming back on, or these
are shown that.
And then your body can start to scavenge and clear out through rest of the virus.
So our research is randomized double blind, because you have control study.
But the other health people at the NIH, it's funny, the research is said, we can help you
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on the study, but you can't mention our names.
Politics is funny.
I said, thank you.
They helped me design a good, you have analyzed double blind, because you have control
study.
And looking at treating what you call a shine protocol, as very optimized sleep, hormones,
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and blood pressure as well, infections and nutrition and exercise is able to mild exercise,
chronic conditioning, 91% of people with oncovere or fibromyalgia recover with an average 90%
increase in quality of life by treating shine, crystal energy production, sleep, hormones,
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infections, nutrition, exercise as able.
Now that's an acronym that is, is that an acronym that you created, or was that an acronym
that's in the medical field in general?
That's an acronym I created.
I used to call it the "Shin Protocol."
And then I was talking to Dr. Oz.
I said, we need to tell people about this.
He said, yeah, blah, blah, blah, prove it.
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So there was this tenant and the Air Force who had written him that he had horrible chronic
fatigue and fibromyalgia.
So he said, you go see tidal bumps, see if he can get you better.
And a month later she was fine.
She was healthy again.
So he said, okay, now you can come on the show and talk about it.
So go over those acronyms again.
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So S stands for...
S is sleep, because this is a sleep center.
It's not working.
You can get these stored asleep without help.
This controls hormones.
So hypertension, also hormones, thyroid, adrenal, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone,
all of those need to be dressed.
Even if the tests are normal, the tests are...
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What's the medical word?
Kaka.
They are grossly unreliable.
Doctors do not know where the normal range comes from.
I'll talk about that later with you have time.
You have to treat the hormones.
You have to treat hypotension.
When one of you stand up, blood dresses to your legs, you get racing heart, you get pots,
all that needs to be treated is not hard.
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It's really not hard.
I is infections.
When certain infections try to throw the body into chaos by triggering jail breaks of other
infections like Epstein bars, even shingles or things like that.
So suddenly...
Explain those jail breaks.
As I found that fascinating too, like chickenpox is in jail because we have a vaccine, but then
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it breaks out of jail as you describe in your book and it turns into shingles.
Do I have that correct?
There are certain viruses.
There are certain viruses.
Some infections are body disciles.
It says, we kill it, I'm not expecting to see it again.
It's easy to remember how to fight that virus you're gone.
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Some viruses are harder to keep down.
I'm guessing that the body keeps little pockets of the viruses so it can continue to train
its troops on how to fight these viruses.
But it keeps them in jail cells since the troops say, "Okay, practice on them."
So it keeps the antibody levels at a level where it doesn't go down and you can get it
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again.
So I'm guessing that the body does this on purpose, or maybe it just can't, but you see
those with shingles.
You have chickenpox and chickenpox virus.
It doesn't get completely eliminated as some of the nerve ends and you go through a stress
for your immune system down.
You get a jail break and you get shingles all the way up.
You know, arm or leg wherever happens to get the jail break.
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And so we see this with Epstein bar.
And there are many, many infections, Candida, other infections that the immune system is
just so overwhelmed that these other infections is kind of like, you know, you have one big dog,
gets loose in the yard and it sets through all these other little yaper dogs that now come
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chasing.
You got to put them all back away.
Yeah.
What are some other examples of infections that can affect us in your shine acronym?
So you have the most important to the viral infections.
Viral infections.
Yeah, there's not a test that I would give a nickel for for these persistent, but there's
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Epstein bar or the rest.
The tests are positive on everybody.
I go based on symptoms.
If you have recurrent flu-like symptoms, if you have chronic pain that doesn't budge
with anything else, there's an excellent book by Dr. Forest.
And then came out this week.
The importance of treating Epstein bar reactivation and chronic pain.
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He's a pain specialist who's quite good.
So I'm going to treat based on symptoms.
I will go with a mix of fan of air and celibrex and tagamate.
I know it's an odd combination, but the research shows that giving this for about four to
six months dramatically improves not just the pain, but also the energy, the whole post-phiral
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fibromyalgia phenomenon.
But it takes about four months to knock it back.
There are certainly herbal ways to go after it as well.
But for this, I prefer the medications.
Candida, you have chronic sinusitis, nasal congestion, post-nasal grip, gas, bloating diarrhea,
constipation, and it's not seasonal allergies.
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It's usually going to be Candida overgrowth.
And since there is no test that distinguishes normal growth from overgrowth, we will treat
it.
I will use the medication dyslucan.
There's compound endose prey or the herbs burbrane, Mbetex, combined with an EP300
propolis.
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When I give specific names is because sometimes it's brand-matter, sometimes it doesn't.
But these go in and also help kill Candida.
And then we get the eye infection, which is the end.
And is nutritional support?
Nutrition and foundation of making energy.
This is a foundation getting immune system working, that's who asks.
So I like a good multivitamin called clinical essentials, tablets.
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I will add something called viral PRO-VIRAPR-O, which is elderberry, combined with high doses
of zinc.
The other doses of vitamin A, the other nutrients, needed to optimize infection.
It's dose properly.
I will give those two together for a while and stay with the multivitamin.
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We did one study on 188 people, including half of those with post-phiralconyptidecentralum,
the other half of the CFS and fibromyalgia, who had at least a 50% drop in function.
The HRG-H0 red ginseng, and I would get the chewables, that's one quarter of the cost,
for the effect of getting the chewables over the capsules.
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One half to one a day, or even two a day as you like, increased energy and average of over
60%, stamina went up 80%.
One simple little, but again, you need a form of ginseng that has a potency most don't.
For the HRG-H0 red ginseng, for those of you with chronic pain, mass-illactivation,
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their immune system's down, but you have this small fibrenoropathy.
The research, I'm just now tying together the research that shows up all of that is a
deficiency of a molecule called PEA.
And this is one where we have a lot of people who are starting to do it.
Again, the form I would use is called PEA healthy information response.
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Use that specific one because it's high absorption.
Two a day, it takes three months to start working.
But many of you will find that mass-illactivation, small fibrenoropathy, the whole pain will
go way down.
It's even for dementia.
It's one of the only nutrients that causes new brain cells to be born and developed.
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As opposed to protecting one sort of there.
This is, we've talked about this in six months when I have more research about that.
I'm really excited about this one, but I'm also still day to day learning.
We have about a hundred people that are using it now, and I'll be able to give you more
clear information.
But that's a missing piece that's going to be an amazing piece of the end for nutrition
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in this puzzle.
Yeah, that sounds very exciting.
Supplements, whether they're vitamins and herbs, those are, you've got a regiment that
can help people specifically.
That's a lot.
My little peabrain could barely grasp all of that.
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So if I wanted to go to your website, is that where I would learn more about what you
know is described, email you?
Okay.
Fatigue, again, right at the FATI-CUE-DOC@gmail.com.
Because that's for the long-covid information sheet.
So I'll send you those in the box.
If you have sensitivity, say sensitivity sheets too.
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If you have shortness of breath, say shortness of breath, if you have no money, and you say,
how do I get, oh, no money?
But that's financially stress, also, the information, how to get well without much money.
Let me know.
And once I have the info sheets, I can send those two for free.
And also, James plug my book, You Can Heal From Long-COVID.
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We'll teach you.
It's all laid out in easy, easy terms.
My other book from FATI-CUE-Fantastic is a textbook.
You can heal from long-covid as written for people with brain fog, short, sweet, simple,
hair-step one, two, four, four, four, four.
I resonated with your book because you are technical, you are a researcher, but yet you write
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in a very easy to understand, you know, style.
And if I can understand it, anybody can understand it.
So that hats off, yay.
Good job.
Thank you.
Get back to a little bit on the nutrition side.
So on the nutrition side, we got the supplements, we got herbs and vitamins, you know, that you
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recommend.
Do you advocate for a certain regular diet, you know, whether it's keto or whole-food plant
base or Oreos?
Keto can be very helpful.
Oreos are tasty, but leave them alone.
Yes.
You want to avoid the stitches on that.
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And you'll be amazed how many people aren't there.
They're tasty.
I just won't eat them.
My body doesn't do sugar.
Cut back sugar increased salt, to not salty strict with the disease, to crash and burn,
increased water intake, which is like a fish because the hormones, two with hormones that
hold onto water on the body are controlled by the circuit breaker.
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So you'd be like a fish and even leveraging like a race horse.
You can't, you're like a bucket of holes in it.
You can't hold on.
Salt is a sponge that holds water in your body and you want to water, otherwise you can dehydrate
no matter how much you're drinking a lot.
In terms of diet, there's no one diet that's best for everybody.
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Most people is on a keto type diet or a high protein, frequent meal, low sugar diet.
And just use common sense.
You don't have to be on a perfect diet, but don't sit there eating fast food all day either.
You know, get real healthy foods and see what leads you feeling the best.
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I may say, hey, I have a strawberry Sunday and I feel great.
I'm saying even three days later, not that, just 30 minutes later, cause an addiction.
So see what the body, see what leads you feeling the best.
I saw how water, low sugar, high protein, overall, especially people.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you have a preference of how people get protein, you know, whether it's meats or whatever
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form everybody's different.
Listen to, you know, there's times in my life I've been vegetarian and this time I was doing
heavy labor that if I had been vegetarian, I probably would have killed me when I was working
the steel mills.
I'll see what feels best to your body, see what works to be.
And use a common sense.
Yeah.
I think that's so important.
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We often forget that, that we're all wonderfully made and each of our bodies react differently
to different types of diets and foods and on and on it goes.
So I think that's wise advice.
Mark, can I have a couple of other quick things because pain is an important part of this.
And for those of you who have pain in general, one of the books I wrote is Pain Free One,
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Two, Three, It's an older book, so I wrote a book.
You can look up in the Cures A to Z phone app, it's a free phone app that we've had over a
million downloads and you can look up your type of pain, whether it's arthritis, migraines
or whatever.
But sitting in pain is not good for you.
The pain that your doctor doesn't know how to treat it doesn't mean there's no treatment.
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Almost all pain can be effectively treated.
The book from the teeth is fantastic.
It's probably the best one is a little more complicated, but I'll go through each kind of pain.
A very good herbal mix for pain is called Cure Men C-U-R-A-M-I-N.
And if you have chronic pain, the PEA that I mentioned, the PEA healthy inflammatory response
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to night, give it three months to start working with a cure.
You see pretty quickly at six weeks you see the full effect, but there's so much you can
do for pain relief migraines.
Vitamin B2, 400 milligrams a day in magnesium drops migraine frequency by 70 to 80 percent
after six weeks.
The cheap, easy.
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It's just nobody's teaching the doctor about them because they're cheap.
Yeah.
And just one of those bad guys, it's just who's going to pay to get that information out
there.
Yeah.
How did we get, you know, I kind of jumping around here, we're going to go down another
rabbit trail, but how did we get to the place where all of this became so political and we
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weren't listening to the science, even though people were saying you got to listen to the
science, but this is the science.
This is a science.
What happened?
I mean, have you any thoughts on that?
Around the 1980s to the 2000s medicine went from being this really all about people in
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health and people are good.
I've never met anybody in the pharmaceutical industry, doctors, they're all good people, but
what we have over the last 40 years is their institutions have become corrupted by corporate
and power, money and power, so they're rotten institutions, full of good people.
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Medicine is no exception.
Virtually everything we get taught as physicians is been fed us by the pharmaceutical industry
in the year 2002 editors of the New England Journal of Medicine, the major Harvard Journal,
retired.
I don't know the background story.
One of them basically said that continuing medical education for physicians has become
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slick advertising, pharmaceutical advertising, masquerading to science.
The other says, "I'm saddened to say this was New York Times," she said, "I'm saddened to
say that I no longer believe much of what I read in medical journals anymore."
This was the lead editor, one of the editors in New England Journal of Medicine, the Harvard
Main Journal.
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So what happened is around 2000, that was kind of the final dust mill where medicine
went from being science oriented to basically controlled by industry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're all good people.
I know these people, I've met these people, they're all good people, they're all well-meaning.
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But if you have somebody who stands up and says, "But this new billy, multiple million dollar
drug causes these side effects."
Well we've paid these four experts, 300,000 a piece, experts, do they cause a problem?
Well one of them says, "Yes, he's fired.
How about the new ones?"
Suddenly everybody in the room is kind of like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody says, "No,
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finds themselves out of the room."
Do you see that are we clawing our way out of this hole that we've created for ourselves
or how do we...
We're digging in deeper, this is so discouraging.
How are we going to get out of the room?
Easy by taking personal responsibility for health.
You don't have to wait for the health care system.
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Well there are times our health care system is brilliant.
He didn't want to be pregnant in the 1700s.
Now is a good time to be pregnant.
He had a good chance of dying in back then.
He didn't want to have a need of...
He wasn't having a pen to decide us.
Medicine has a lot of beautiful things.
But when they help you, that's great.
But when they can't help you in the doctor's office, I'm sorry, I can't help you.
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Thanks them for being honest and go find somebody who can.
My books will give you a good start on it.
The doctor says, "I don't know what you're going to do and success."
So you were crazy.
That's when you get up and you say, "Thank you for letting me know what an abusive SOB work."
That is totally not acceptable.
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I will let everyone really know.
Walk out the door, slam it.
Say, "I've never met such an abusive bastard in my life.
Please call the police on this man.
Tell everybody in the waiting room, leave."
His man's assistant says, "I don't know what you're going to do to your crazy."
You go online and you make sure nobody gets abused.
Look at multiple sclerosis.
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You used to call it hysterical paralysis.
Can you imagine any neurologist going in today and implying to a woman's family, "Don't
you murder her."
You know, she's paralyzed.
All four legs with the MS.
Can't move them in a wheelchair.
Just push her out of their wheelchair, so don't you murder her.
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She's crazy.
This is what's being done to people see a fecified homologer and long COVID.
It is not acceptable.
This is abusive behavior and no longer to be tolerated.
Sorry if I get a little...
No, no.
This is what we need.
We need to shake up the system.
You and I grew up in a culture where free speech was so important and there was no such thing
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as misinformation.
In fact, misinformation was that's part of free speech.
And so where my fear is what we're doing in this country for our young people, my children,
my grandchildren is that we're taking away the voices like yours that are going against
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the current and we can't afford to do that.
And this is a perfect example.
Why?
It's a matter of teaching discernment.
Start to use your own gut instinct.
How does this feel to you?
We need to be developing BS detectors in our modern age.
Yeah.
And I'll give you some things.
So some of you say, well, he's probably just selling this stuff.
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So I'll make...
I have a simple thing.
Except for one product.
I don't problem.
Or two, I don't private label things like most experts do.
Everything I've talked about today, you can get on Amazon.
You get on Amazon.
I won't make a penny.
You buy my book on Amazon and make a buck.
You really need a $7.00 to a charity.
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Everything that I'm missing here today, you can do and cut me totally out of it.
And I'm fine with that because you'll be getting well.
So this is a policy I have so that you can start in your discernment of, okay, if he's willing
to help me get better and not make a penny on it, maybe I should look at this.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
We got to get off that topic and then some work in one, though, because we need information
and it's being blocked.
And it's being blocked by big pharma, big end, all kinds of other factors out there.
And people have discerning spirit and challenge and ask questions.
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Yes.
And we're being flooded by nonsense to make it harder and harder to tell what is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I turn off the media.
Yeah.
What's up for shows like this?
Yeah.
Okay.
Great.
Aging today.
Yes.
Are we have we, have we learned anything from the last pandemic?
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COVID-19?
Have we learned anything so that we don't repeat this again?
You know, the misinformation or is it, is pretty obvious?
The word he said.
Yeah.
We learned that if you scare people, the death is profitable.
Yeah.
You have a mobile belief.
They throw money at it and nobody keeps track.
Yeah.
You learn the fear of cells.
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Yeah.
So, so discerning.
I'm just, anyhow, well, I'm a, I'm a guy that the glasses have full.
So, you know, I'm, I'm hoping that we can come out of this and that we can come out of
it better down the road.
It may just take some time, but maybe I'm delusional.
No, you're not.
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In my 70, I mean, I'm 31 years old, but I was born 72 years ago.
Yeah.
I feel 31, so that's all I am.
One of the things I've learned, even being homeless, having been dropped out of medical
and homeless, not going days without eating, sleeping in parks, it all turns out to be,
have been a blessing for me and a gift.
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Yeah.
Everything has turned out.
And to be a real gift, I've learned to see things that way.
Sometimes it takes a while to notice what's going on now is perfect.
It's a challenge, but it teaches us discernment.
If we're going to go into a bigger world, more conscious world, whatever you want to call
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it, discernment is important because there's so much more information coming in and if
you can't separate the wheat from the shaft, the static from the pertinent stuff, you're
going to go overwhelmed.
Consider this our lesson in developing our BS detectors.
And it's a good thing.
This is not a bad thing.
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It's a challenge, but it's a good thing.
Yeah.
Well, I'm hopeful when there's people like yourself, Dr. T, out there that are looking
out for all of us and not only do you not have just the wisdom or yet the knowledge, you
have the wisdom that goes behind all this and knowledge is powerful, but wisdom, I'll
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put my stake on wisdom every day.
So thank you for your wisdom.
Thank you for your knowledge.
Thank you for the research that you've done.
You're an amazing man and we need to continue to have you on aging today to educate all
of us on that there's hope.
If you're living what long COVID, what can we conclude with from today's show?
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How would you like to leave it?
If you have these symptoms, they are very, very treatable.
You can email me at thet.cmail.com for the information sheets or you can get the, you can heal from
long COVID book and will guide you.
And I want to leave in this thought.
If you get well, so you can go back to what made you sick in the first place, you've
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done nothing for yourself.
Use the illness that you couldn't do all the stuff that you dropped.
And as you get better, you said energy to pick up those things that feel good to you and
feel your soul.
But the other things, you haven't been arrested at home this for not doing them, but draw
your energy, let them go.
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Get a life you love and the illness will turn out.
That's been a little gift for you as well for me.
And I also want everybody to know you're not alone.
There are 17 million people living with long COVID.
You're not alone.
You're not crazy because I've heard this from many people that are living with long COVID.
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Everybody thinks, they say, the first thing that comes out of their mouth is, everybody
thinks I'm crazy and they think I'm lazy and they think that, and the doctors are prescribing
it.
Go to bed, just sleep.
And there's more to it than that.
Absolutely.
That's abusive.
Don't buy into people laying that trip on your doctors laying that trip on your column
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on it.
And find some deals.
So for those that now understand long COVID and they want to connect with you once again,
tell us your website.
Your website is endfotigue.com.
And like Nancy, D.L.A.Van, and the word fatigue, F-A-P-I-G-U-E.com.
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That's where I have products that I sell that I find are the best models in the country
and world for information, vitality, 101.com.
For the free information sheets and for short questions, people send me the home medical
records.
I delete.
But if you have one or two lines, you know, or three line questions, I tend to get tipped
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to those and answer them.
So my email is fatigue, F-A-P-I-G-U-E-D-O-C, edgmail.com.
And again, I'm happy to help.
But I love having returns from direct patient care now after 50 years.
My focus is on teaching.
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And I'm happy to teach you how to get your life back.
All right.
Well, you are our professor.
You are the one that we look forward to having on aging today, to guide us, to lead us
into a better healthy life.
So thank you once again, Dr. T, for being on aging today.
And I look forward to having you back on because there's more to talk about.
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And in particular, what you mentioned earlier in the show about dementia.
So we're going to have you back on and have that discussion as well.
Okay?
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
All right.
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Aloha.
Aloha.
Oh, I love that.
I didn't know you were there.
Hello.
Congratulations.
Oh, yeah.
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20 years ago, my wife and I moved.
All right.
Nicely done.
Oh, that's our favorite island.
Yeah.
Okay.
When we get over there next time, I'm coming to visit.
So, yeah.
That'd be great.
All right.
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Well, aging today, as you know, is a podcast about aging.
And if you're not too busy aging or being born,
you're too busy aging.
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And so we recognize we're all aging at our own pace.
There are many ways to age and aging when the aging villain
enters into the picture of our life stories,
accelerating the aging process.
We know that that happens.
And so today, we're going to visit one of those old
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familiar aging villains, yep, it's COVID-19.
And in particular, long COVID.
Did you know, and this is a really fun fact to know,
did you know that 15, 10 to 15% of the people
that have had COVID are living with long COVID,
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17 million people today in the U.S.
are living with long COVID.
79% are living with some form of limitations,
of life's, every activity of daily living limitations.
And then 25% report severe limitations.
After one year, 18% have not yet returned back to work.
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So those are in some important facts to know.
And long COVID is not going away.
And so because it's not going away,
and I know that there are many people that listen to this show.
In fact, I have a personal friend.
She's a nurse friend of mine.
And she was one of the first to be diagnosed with long COVID
in the state of Oregon.
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And so we're going to dedicate this show to Valley.
Valley, this show is all yours.
But anyhow, traditional medicine has not been,
you know, as responsive as maybe we would all like it to be
when it comes to the solutions or the treatments
to long COVID.
But our guest today, he's a familiar face to you.
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If you've listened to Aging Today podcast in the past,
his name is Dr. Tidal Bomb.
And Dr. Jacob Tidal Bomb.
And he's a medical doctor.
And he's one of the world's leading medical experts
in viral infections such as chronic fatigue syndrome,
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fibromyalgia, and energy and pain.
And he has written a new book, One of 12.
And he's written a new book, There is Hope for Healing
in Long COVID.
Dr. T, welcome back to Aging Today.
Mark, it's great to be with you.
And for those of you who had COVID and have persistent symptoms,
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whether it's fatigue, trouble sleeping, pain,
and you know, any of the host of things, even heart disease, lung disease,
these are all very, very treatable.
Dr. Dr doesn't know, doesn't mean there's
a lack of effective treatment, just lack of effective education.
We will teach you today what you need to know
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to begin your recovery.
My book, You Can Heal From Long COVID is cheap.
Amazon is easy to get.
It's a guide book, but we're going to give you
the information today that you need to recover.
And I want you to state that again, because that is,
I went away after reading your book.
It's the thesis of your book is that it is treatable.
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It just, we need more education.
I remember, I got back in 1975, Mark.
I came down with this nasty viral infection.
It was pretty severe.
And you know, the tests show that the weren't infection
they can identify it six weeks later, are still non-functional.
I was basically, I was paying my own way to med school.
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I was working as a nurse and children as hospital.
I couldn't work.
I couldn't focus for school.
I was too exhausted.
I had a dropout.
I was homeless sleeping in parks.
And the professors, they all said, well,
six weeks after viral infection, you should be a buddy.
That's probably the depressed med student syndrome.
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And that's what they're still doing that today.
They've done what the conifities syndrome, fibromyalgia,
any disease that is very complex does not have
an expensive treatment.
And that there is no one test.
You have to use your ears, your mind to diagnose it.
There's no one test you can get to diagnose it,
especially if it affects predominantly women.
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The doctors call it hysteria.
Hysterial comes from the Latin of, for uterus,
to give you an idea of why women get labeled with, you know,
all just in their mind, which is obscene and abusive.
Yeah, yeah.
And so where are we today?
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I mean, four years ago, the world was introduced to this virus.
And four years later, not hearing a lot about it.
And, you know, I mean, occasionally do,
and occasionally you don't, and it goes all over the place.
What have we learned since then?
OK, one, we know that long COVID,
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if you have the tired, achy, brain fog, can't sleep,
kind of process, along with maybe some lightheadedness,
things along those lines, you have post viral fibromyalgia.
We know that.
And we have hundreds of studies I've published eight of them myself
and how to effectively treat that.
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So once you make that connection, oh, this is fibromyalgia,
it's post viral, we know how to treat that.
We know how to take care of that.
All of a sudden you have 50 years of research.
So this date is most doctors going, well,
you know, they gave a diet, they said, how do you define long COVID?
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Any symptom that persists more than three months.
So if you have trouble breathing or trouble smelling,
or you have a heart attack or a stroke or your bedridden,
these are all the same disease.
It's like saying, oh, car crash syndrome.
Don't you think we should maybe separate hip fractures
and skull fractures and chest conditions?
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No, no, it's all car crash syndrome.
And that's now electric car crash syndrome.
We can't use any research from previous car crashes.
Yeah.
You can understand, it's a problem.
We're going to be 30 years before the medical profession
comes up with anything helpful for people.
Yeah.
And you have to wait.
You know this firsthand because you started
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to tell the story in 1975.
1975.
1975.
I was just a junior senior in high school.
It didn't graduate till '76.
I tell you how old I am.
But in 1975, you experienced--
'71.
I don't know about you.
[LAUGHTER]
But you experienced something.
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And that then began to bring a correlation
between what you experienced back then
to what you began to witness, what was happening today.
I've been researching long-overs for 50 years
because of my own experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that's really important to know
because as we get into the long COVID--
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and I want you to give us a good working definition
of what long COVID is--
and then let's get into the symptoms.
And then we can get into some of the remedies
for long COVID.
And I think that there's not enough information out there.
I think that's one of the things that I've learned
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as people that are suffering with long COVID.
There's just not a lot of help by the medical community.
So let's get all that straight.
Absolutely.
So how do you know you have long COVID?
Again, any persistent symptom that started with the COVID
or got worse in by COVID that has lasted more than three months
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while they're intermittent or stay through?
That's the definition of long COVID.
If you're wondering what component do you have--
if you have chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia, brain fog,
if you're exhausted, can't sleep, brain fog, achy,
if you have any two or three of those,
you've got the fibromyalgia component.
There's a simple equation on my website that
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will tell you if you have the diagnostic criteria
for CFS or fibromyalgia.
But if you have the fatigue, you may have 50 other symptoms
with it, but you have the long COVID.
If you have heart disease, not shortness of breath,
many of you will have shortness of breath
that's scared enough.
Email me.
Mark, can I give up my email address?
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yep.
OK, write this down.
fatigue-fatigui.deoc Fatigue.doc@gmail.com.
If you have shortness of breath, ask for the shortness
of breath information sheet.
You can ask for the long COVID information sheet.
Each of the things we talk about today,
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I'm happy to send out three information sheets,
because it's a lot of information
so you don't have the squillable frantically.
You know, I'll be organized for you if you want.
Yeah.
Now, one more thing before we get into the nuts and bolts
of long COVID, why should anyone listen to you, Dr. T?
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What?
I mean, that's really important because I--
I mean, you are a researcher.
One of the things I've really appreciated about you
is that you're a researcher and you're very practical
in the research that you've done
and you're all about solutions.
So get a little bit more into who you are
and why people should trust you.
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Number one, I am an MD.
My background is internal medicine.
So I've been doing this field for almost 50 years now
in terms of researching this area.
I have published as principal investigator,
the lead researcher on eight studies of effective treatment
for post-firal other causes of chronic fatigue syndrome
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and fibromyalgia, which includes long COVID.
I've been asked and have written three medical textbook
chapters on the condition.
I am frequently on CNN Fox, even the lecture,
I'll show when he was on Oprah and friends, good morning,
America, off and out there teaching.
The main concern of many of you now is--
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And don't forget aging today now.
Don't forget the podcast aging today.
Well, aging today is the big one.
That's the big one.
That's the biggest of all of those other diseases cited.
So this is what I do.
I'm a researcher, I'm a scientist, but I'm clinician as well.
So I know how to take broad areas of information
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to put it together.
More importantly, I take no money from any pharmaceutical company.
That's a lot of money that I'm kind of like saying
no thank you to because it's very hard to maintain
objectivity, otherwise--
Yeah.
So I'm here.
I had this.
I know what it felt like to be decimated, crippled,
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go to the doctor and be told there's
nothing wrong with your crazy or implied.
And I know how to get to well.
So nobody pays me to be here.
I'm here because I can help you.
And I know what they're going through.
And I want to help everybody who wants to get well.
How soon did you know that when COVID was hitting,
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that you saw the long COVID and you made the correlation
to chronic fatigue syndrome or to fibromyalgia
or any other inflammation, pain, management type things?
How soon did you know that there was a correlation there?
Within two, three months.
We saw the processes that were being hit.
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We saw the immune changes that were going on.
We saw the changes on the blood testing.
We saw the symptomatic things.
This is not the first infection.
This is more in the order of the 50th infection
to trigger post-phiral or post-infectious
chronic fatigue syndrome.
This is not anything new.
This is just one more.
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We've seen this before.
And once we saw it taking certain pathways,
we saw triggering Epstein-Barrad, reactivation.
And the cortisol is going down.
We saw all these different lab measures and said,
yep, this is doing that long COVID kind of process
or post-phiral fibromyalgia.
So tell me, and as I was reading your book,
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and I came up with this question,
this is really a good question.
What does a circuit breaker, the hypothalamus,
and being, having COVID, having common?
What are all those three having common?
OK, so basically, one of the most important functions
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we have is to keep our temperature from dropping.
Because if we put out in the world,
we can live without water for three days and food for weeks.
But if we don't manage to keep our temperature above 94 degrees
or dead.
So there's a key circuit breaker called the hypothalamus.
It can size the area in the brain.
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It controls sleep.
It controls your entire hormone system.
All of this is done to control temperature regulation,
and it controls blood pressure, pulse, gut, and other functions.
This is all wrapped on one circuit breaker.
It uses more energy for its size than any other area in the body.
So an energy level starts to drop as you see with long COVID.
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That circuit breaker goes into hibernation mode.
And then you have trouble getting greased out of sleep.
You get light-headed when you stand up from time.
You have brain foggy at all these whole cascades or symptoms.
It also ties in with the increased sensitivities.
For those of you who are starting to feel like,
"Cease I'm sensitive to everything.
It changes from day to day."
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It's called mast cell activation syndrome.
That happens when the circuit breaker goes offline too.
You can ask for the sensitivity information sheet when you email me.
Yeah.
And what I gleaned from your book is that the reason why the hypothalamus is so important
is because it does draw the vast amount of energy to the body.
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And then you come to all of us, what's happening when a virus enters into the body?
I found this to be fascinating.
I did not know that viruses don't have any energy of their own.
Explain.
Well, first thing you fight, well, the virus goes into the body.
In this case with COVID, it's usually on voice surfaces inside the nose, the mouth, the
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lungs, the gut.
So the first thing it meets is our Navy called the agia antibody system.
So staying hydrated because our Navy works very poorly in dry dock is really important,
more important than any medication in preventing your kitchen COVID in the future is sleep and
hydration.
I'm going off the topic.
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I'll get right back to it.
But water makes a big difference.
Okay.
Say the cells, your Navy's in dry dock because you dehydrated.
The virus gets to gets into the cells, not sitting there and wants to make billions of baby
viruses, but it has no energy producing equipment to do so.
What it does is hijacks our body's energy furnaces called mitochondria and it uses that energy
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to reproduce.
So what our bodies say is like, ah, dang, we're not going to let it do that.
Your body shuts down energy production to try to starve the virus.
That's why you get exhausted during the flu and other bugs.
Your body is trying to starve the virus.
Now normally your immune system comes in, kills the virus.
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Hopefully, I haven't gotten ahead of it because of slow reproduction by dropping energy.
The virus particles are all gone and I'm seeing anymore lights go back on circuit breakers,
go back on energy furnaces, go back on and your office is your life again.
So what happens when little pieces of the viruses still persist, dead virus, but their body
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hasn't stirred it out.
Your body thinks that virus is still there and it will continue to shut down energy production
and your circuit breaker, if energy doesn't make it stuck in the off position because it
doesn't have the energy to turn back on.
Is that true with all viruses in not just the COVID?
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What about flu viruses and none and on it goes?
Certain viruses are more likely to do this.
We know for Epstein-Barr viruses and major triggers CMV-HH-V6, satellite, amygdala virus.
There may be a dozen viruses.
We know with Lyme disease.
We know with a host of other bacterial infections, the host of parasites, polio is to do this.
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Post-polio syndromes, what they call same thing.
There are certain viruses.
We don't know why some yes and some not.
It's as fever is very common.
We'll trigger the post-firal chronic fatigue syndrome or long COVID as a color here.
Yeah.
Okay, so it's an energy problem.
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It's stealing our energy.
It needs energy to survive.
So what are the implications of it stealing our energy?
How does that make us feel?
So this triggers the whole cascade of problems.
That's why it's so confusing for doctors.
As a doctor, we want somebody to have something simple.
Oh, you have frequent urination and burns.
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You've got a bladder infection.
Yay.
You know, your blood sugar side, you've got diabetes, your blood pressure side, high blood
pressure.
We have a test.
We have basic one or two or three symptoms and a treatment that's perfectly expensive
and then everybody focuses on that.
But there are literally dozens of not hundreds of symptoms that happen and energy goes down.
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So core symptoms tired, achy, brain fog, can't sleep or can't get restored or night sleep.
You've got three or four of those.
You've got post-firal chronic fatigue syndrome.
If it started with COVID, you've got that.
But it can cause hundreds of other symptoms.
Your immune system may be on overdrive and exhausted.
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You may get that every infection it comes by.
You may have pain all over because the low energy causes muscles to let block in a short
position.
Over time, the triggers brain pain and small fibroenterapathy in the brain pain.
This circuit breaker, the reason we stand up for a big bag of water, we stand up gravity
since all blood down to our legs.
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This is a circuit breaker that sends up blood from your legs back up to your head when
we stand up.
So that doesn't work very well.
You get what's called POTS.
POTS for orthostatic attack curries.
You stand up in your heart starts racing and you may be able to light out it and brain fogged.
So these are, you know, none of this thing in your fingers shortness of breath.
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The list goes on and on.
So many of you, instead of getting the viral, the post-phialoconic fatigue syndrome, you
may have had myocarditis.
But we can treat that.
You may have had a host of other, you know, lung entry, lung inflammation.
We can treat that.
And if I can take a moment, Mark, and just look at organ injury damage.
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Yeah.
Damage.
That's three radical.
This is basically just like the virus arrests these organs is called oxidative stress.
And you can help this with things that are antioxidants and anti-inflammatories.
So I will give a product called curamed.
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It's easy to find because that's specific one.
Most curcumin, you need to take 300 pills.
This is just 750 milligrams twice a day.
You can email me for the long COVID organ damage information sheet.
This will all be laid out.
You want to take antioxidants, a good multivitamin.
I like clinical essentials.
Many, many ones out there that are very, will give you the antioxidants easily.
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Anti-acidants, anti-inflammatory turn off the persistent COVID entry that's still going
on in your organs so they can start to heal.
The brain entry, there's PEA and I would get one called healthy immune response.
I'm sorry, healthy inflammatory response.
It actually helps brain cells to grow even with stroke, even with the dementia.
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And any chronic pain has been shown to be incredibly helpful.
So I'm not going to blah, blah, blah, blah, all these things.
But mostly what you have to do is inflammatory and anti-acidants.
You need, and you have an energy crisis.
The key focus today will turn, how do you turn energy production back on?
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Anybody with fatigue or fibromyalgia or pain?
This is going to help you recover.
You know, one of the things that I saw that I read in your book was alluding to this very
topic is that when the virus eventually leaves the body, the body still is in fatigue and
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it hasn't turned itself on just like you were saying.
How do you get that body to turn itself back on and get the energy flowing again so that
you can get rid of all these implications?
Well, here's the thing.
It's kind of like a vicious cycle.
And the turn energy off, circuit breaker goes off.
You can't make enough energy to turn the circuit breaker back on.
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It gets stuck.
So if you restore energy production, you go, this circuit breaker coming back on, or these
are shown that.
And then your body can start to scavenge and clear out through rest of the virus.
So our research is randomized double blind, because you have control study.
But the other health people at the NIH, it's funny, the research is said, we can help you
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on the study, but you can't mention our names.
Politics is funny.
I said, thank you.
They helped me design a good, you have analyzed double blind, because you have control
study.
And looking at treating what you call a shine protocol, as very optimized sleep, hormones,
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and blood pressure as well, infections and nutrition and exercise is able to mild exercise,
chronic conditioning, 91% of people with oncovere or fibromyalgia recover with an average 90%
increase in quality of life by treating shine, crystal energy production, sleep, hormones,
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infections, nutrition, exercise as able.
Now that's an acronym that is, is that an acronym that you created, or was that an acronym
that's in the medical field in general?
That's an acronym I created.
I used to call it the "Shin Protocol."
And then I was talking to Dr. Oz.
I said, we need to tell people about this.
He said, yeah, blah, blah, blah, prove it.
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So there was this tenant and the Air Force who had written him that he had horrible chronic
fatigue and fibromyalgia.
So he said, you go see tidal bumps, see if he can get you better.
And a month later she was fine.
She was healthy again.
So he said, okay, now you can come on the show and talk about it.
So go over those acronyms again.
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So S stands for...
S is sleep, because this is a sleep center.
It's not working.
You can get these stored asleep without help.
This controls hormones.
So hypertension, also hormones, thyroid, adrenal, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone,
all of those need to be dressed.
Even if the tests are normal, the tests are...
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What's the medical word?
Kaka.
They are grossly unreliable.
Doctors do not know where the normal range comes from.
I'll talk about that later with you have time.
You have to treat the hormones.
You have to treat hypotension.
When one of you stand up, blood dresses to your legs, you get racing heart, you get pots,
all that needs to be treated is not hard.
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It's really not hard.
I is infections.
When certain infections try to throw the body into chaos by triggering jail breaks of other
infections like Epstein bars, even shingles or things like that.
So suddenly...
Explain those jail breaks.
As I found that fascinating too, like chickenpox is in jail because we have a vaccine, but then
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it breaks out of jail as you describe in your book and it turns into shingles.
Do I have that correct?
There are certain viruses.
There are certain viruses.
Some infections are body disciles.
It says, we kill it, I'm not expecting to see it again.
It's easy to remember how to fight that virus you're gone.
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Some viruses are harder to keep down.
I'm guessing that the body keeps little pockets of the viruses so it can continue to train
its troops on how to fight these viruses.
But it keeps them in jail cells since the troops say, "Okay, practice on them."
So it keeps the antibody levels at a level where it doesn't go down and you can get it
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again.
So I'm guessing that the body does this on purpose, or maybe it just can't, but you see
those with shingles.
You have chickenpox and chickenpox virus.
It doesn't get completely eliminated as some of the nerve ends and you go through a stress
for your immune system down.
You get a jail break and you get shingles all the way up.
You know, arm or leg wherever happens to get the jail break.
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And so we see this with Epstein bar.
And there are many, many infections, Candida, other infections that the immune system is
just so overwhelmed that these other infections is kind of like, you know, you have one big dog,
gets loose in the yard and it sets through all these other little yaper dogs that now come
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chasing.
You got to put them all back away.
Yeah.
What are some other examples of infections that can affect us in your shine acronym?
So you have the most important to the viral infections.
Viral infections.
Yeah, there's not a test that I would give a nickel for for these persistent, but there's
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Epstein bar or the rest.
The tests are positive on everybody.
I go based on symptoms.
If you have recurrent flu-like symptoms, if you have chronic pain that doesn't budge
with anything else, there's an excellent book by Dr. Forest.
And then came out this week.
The importance of treating Epstein bar reactivation and chronic pain.
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He's a pain specialist who's quite good.
So I'm going to treat based on symptoms.
I will go with a mix of fan of air and celibrex and tagamate.
I know it's an odd combination, but the research shows that giving this for about four to
six months dramatically improves not just the pain, but also the energy, the whole post-phiral
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fibromyalgia phenomenon.
But it takes about four months to knock it back.
There are certainly herbal ways to go after it as well.
But for this, I prefer the medications.
Candida, you have chronic sinusitis, nasal congestion, post-nasal grip, gas, bloating diarrhea,
constipation, and it's not seasonal allergies.
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It's usually going to be Candida overgrowth.
And since there is no test that distinguishes normal growth from overgrowth, we will treat
it.
I will use the medication dyslucan.
There's compound endose prey or the herbs burbrane, Mbetex, combined with an EP300
propolis.
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When I give specific names is because sometimes it's brand-matter, sometimes it doesn't.
But these go in and also help kill Candida.
And then we get the eye infection, which is the end.
And is nutritional support?
Nutrition and foundation of making energy.
This is a foundation getting immune system working, that's who asks.
So I like a good multivitamin called clinical essentials, tablets.
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I will add something called viral PRO-VIRAPR-O, which is elderberry, combined with high doses
of zinc.
The other doses of vitamin A, the other nutrients, needed to optimize infection.
It's dose properly.
I will give those two together for a while and stay with the multivitamin.
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We did one study on 188 people, including half of those with post-phiralconyptidecentralum,
the other half of the CFS and fibromyalgia, who had at least a 50% drop in function.
The HRG-H0 red ginseng, and I would get the chewables, that's one quarter of the cost,
for the effect of getting the chewables over the capsules.
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One half to one a day, or even two a day as you like, increased energy and average of over
60%, stamina went up 80%.
One simple little, but again, you need a form of ginseng that has a potency most don't.
For the HRG-H0 red ginseng, for those of you with chronic pain, mass-illactivation,
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their immune system's down, but you have this small fibrenoropathy.
The research, I'm just now tying together the research that shows up all of that is a
deficiency of a molecule called PEA.
And this is one where we have a lot of people who are starting to do it.
Again, the form I would use is called PEA healthy information response.
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Use that specific one because it's high absorption.
Two a day, it takes three months to start working.
But many of you will find that mass-illactivation, small fibrenoropathy, the whole pain will
go way down.
It's even for dementia.
It's one of the only nutrients that causes new brain cells to be born and developed.
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As opposed to protecting one sort of there.
This is, we've talked about this in six months when I have more research about that.
I'm really excited about this one, but I'm also still day to day learning.
We have about a hundred people that are using it now, and I'll be able to give you more
clear information.
But that's a missing piece that's going to be an amazing piece of the end for nutrition
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in this puzzle.
Yeah, that sounds very exciting.
Supplements, whether they're vitamins and herbs, those are, you've got a regiment that
can help people specifically.
That's a lot.
My little peabrain could barely grasp all of that.
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So if I wanted to go to your website, is that where I would learn more about what you
know is described, email you?
Okay.
Fatigue, again, right at the FATI-CUE-DOC@gmail.com.
Because that's for the long-covid information sheet.
So I'll send you those in the box.
If you have sensitivity, say sensitivity sheets too.
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If you have shortness of breath, say shortness of breath, if you have no money, and you say,
how do I get, oh, no money?
But that's financially stress, also, the information, how to get well without much money.
Let me know.
And once I have the info sheets, I can send those two for free.
And also, James plug my book, You Can Heal From Long-COVID.
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We'll teach you.
It's all laid out in easy, easy terms.
My other book from FATI-CUE-Fantastic is a textbook.
You can heal from long-covid as written for people with brain fog, short, sweet, simple,
hair-step one, two, four, four, four, four.
I resonated with your book because you are technical, you are a researcher, but yet you write
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in a very easy to understand, you know, style.
And if I can understand it, anybody can understand it.
So that hats off, yay.
Good job.
Thank you.
Get back to a little bit on the nutrition side.
So on the nutrition side, we got the supplements, we got herbs and vitamins, you know, that you
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recommend.
Do you advocate for a certain regular diet, you know, whether it's keto or whole-food plant
base or Oreos?
Keto can be very helpful.
Oreos are tasty, but leave them alone.
Yes.
You want to avoid the stitches on that.
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And you'll be amazed how many people aren't there.
They're tasty.
I just won't eat them.
My body doesn't do sugar.
Cut back sugar increased salt, to not salty strict with the disease, to crash and burn,
increased water intake, which is like a fish because the hormones, two with hormones that
hold onto water on the body are controlled by the circuit breaker.
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So you'd be like a fish and even leveraging like a race horse.
You can't, you're like a bucket of holes in it.
You can't hold on.
Salt is a sponge that holds water in your body and you want to water, otherwise you can dehydrate
no matter how much you're drinking a lot.
In terms of diet, there's no one diet that's best for everybody.
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Most people is on a keto type diet or a high protein, frequent meal, low sugar diet.
And just use common sense.
You don't have to be on a perfect diet, but don't sit there eating fast food all day either.
You know, get real healthy foods and see what leads you feeling the best.
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I may say, hey, I have a strawberry Sunday and I feel great.
I'm saying even three days later, not that, just 30 minutes later, cause an addiction.
So see what the body, see what leads you feeling the best.
I saw how water, low sugar, high protein, overall, especially people.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you have a preference of how people get protein, you know, whether it's meats or whatever
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form everybody's different.
Listen to, you know, there's times in my life I've been vegetarian and this time I was doing
heavy labor that if I had been vegetarian, I probably would have killed me when I was working
the steel mills.
I'll see what feels best to your body, see what works to be.
And use a common sense.
Yeah.
I think that's so important.
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We often forget that, that we're all wonderfully made and each of our bodies react differently
to different types of diets and foods and on and on it goes.
So I think that's wise advice.
Mark, can I have a couple of other quick things because pain is an important part of this.
And for those of you who have pain in general, one of the books I wrote is Pain Free One,
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Two, Three, It's an older book, so I wrote a book.
You can look up in the Cures A to Z phone app, it's a free phone app that we've had over a
million downloads and you can look up your type of pain, whether it's arthritis, migraines
or whatever.
But sitting in pain is not good for you.
The pain that your doctor doesn't know how to treat it doesn't mean there's no treatment.
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Almost all pain can be effectively treated.
The book from the teeth is fantastic.
It's probably the best one is a little more complicated, but I'll go through each kind of pain.
A very good herbal mix for pain is called Cure Men C-U-R-A-M-I-N.
And if you have chronic pain, the PEA that I mentioned, the PEA healthy inflammatory response
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to night, give it three months to start working with a cure.
You see pretty quickly at six weeks you see the full effect, but there's so much you can
do for pain relief migraines.
Vitamin B2, 400 milligrams a day in magnesium drops migraine frequency by 70 to 80 percent
after six weeks.
The cheap, easy.
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It's just nobody's teaching the doctor about them because they're cheap.
Yeah.
And just one of those bad guys, it's just who's going to pay to get that information out
there.
Yeah.
How did we get, you know, I kind of jumping around here, we're going to go down another
rabbit trail, but how did we get to the place where all of this became so political and we
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weren't listening to the science, even though people were saying you got to listen to the
science, but this is the science.
This is a science.
What happened?
I mean, have you any thoughts on that?
Around the 1980s to the 2000s medicine went from being this really all about people in
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health and people are good.
I've never met anybody in the pharmaceutical industry, doctors, they're all good people, but
what we have over the last 40 years is their institutions have become corrupted by corporate
and power, money and power, so they're rotten institutions, full of good people.
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Medicine is no exception.
Virtually everything we get taught as physicians is been fed us by the pharmaceutical industry
in the year 2002 editors of the New England Journal of Medicine, the major Harvard Journal,
retired.
I don't know the background story.
One of them basically said that continuing medical education for physicians has become
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slick advertising, pharmaceutical advertising, masquerading to science.
The other says, "I'm saddened to say this was New York Times," she said, "I'm saddened to
say that I no longer believe much of what I read in medical journals anymore."
This was the lead editor, one of the editors in New England Journal of Medicine, the Harvard
Main Journal.
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So what happened is around 2000, that was kind of the final dust mill where medicine
went from being science oriented to basically controlled by industry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're all good people.
I know these people, I've met these people, they're all good people, they're all well-meaning.
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But if you have somebody who stands up and says, "But this new billy, multiple million dollar
drug causes these side effects."
Well we've paid these four experts, 300,000 a piece, experts, do they cause a problem?
Well one of them says, "Yes, he's fired.
How about the new ones?"
Suddenly everybody in the room is kind of like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody says, "No,
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finds themselves out of the room."
Do you see that are we clawing our way out of this hole that we've created for ourselves
or how do we...
We're digging in deeper, this is so discouraging.
How are we going to get out of the room?
Easy by taking personal responsibility for health.
You don't have to wait for the health care system.
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Well there are times our health care system is brilliant.
He didn't want to be pregnant in the 1700s.
Now is a good time to be pregnant.
He had a good chance of dying in back then.
He didn't want to have a need of...
He wasn't having a pen to decide us.
Medicine has a lot of beautiful things.
But when they help you, that's great.
But when they can't help you in the doctor's office, I'm sorry, I can't help you.
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Thanks them for being honest and go find somebody who can.
My books will give you a good start on it.
The doctor says, "I don't know what you're going to do and success."
So you were crazy.
That's when you get up and you say, "Thank you for letting me know what an abusive SOB work."
That is totally not acceptable.
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I will let everyone really know.
Walk out the door, slam it.
Say, "I've never met such an abusive bastard in my life.
Please call the police on this man.
Tell everybody in the waiting room, leave."
His man's assistant says, "I don't know what you're going to do to your crazy."
You go online and you make sure nobody gets abused.
Look at multiple sclerosis.
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You used to call it hysterical paralysis.
Can you imagine any neurologist going in today and implying to a woman's family, "Don't
you murder her."
You know, she's paralyzed.
All four legs with the MS.
Can't move them in a wheelchair.
Just push her out of their wheelchair, so don't you murder her.
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She's crazy.
This is what's being done to people see a fecified homologer and long COVID.
It is not acceptable.
This is abusive behavior and no longer to be tolerated.
Sorry if I get a little...
No, no.
This is what we need.
We need to shake up the system.
You and I grew up in a culture where free speech was so important and there was no such thing
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as misinformation.
In fact, misinformation was that's part of free speech.
And so where my fear is what we're doing in this country for our young people, my children,
my grandchildren is that we're taking away the voices like yours that are going against
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the current and we can't afford to do that.
And this is a perfect example.
Why?
It's a matter of teaching discernment.
Start to use your own gut instinct.
How does this feel to you?
We need to be developing BS detectors in our modern age.
Yeah.
And I'll give you some things.
So some of you say, well, he's probably just selling this stuff.
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So I'll make...
I have a simple thing.
Except for one product.
I don't problem.
Or two, I don't private label things like most experts do.
Everything I've talked about today, you can get on Amazon.
You get on Amazon.
I won't make a penny.
You buy my book on Amazon and make a buck.
You really need a $7.00 to a charity.
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Everything that I'm missing here today, you can do and cut me totally out of it.
And I'm fine with that because you'll be getting well.
So this is a policy I have so that you can start in your discernment of, okay, if he's willing
to help me get better and not make a penny on it, maybe I should look at this.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
We got to get off that topic and then some work in one, though, because we need information
and it's being blocked.
And it's being blocked by big pharma, big end, all kinds of other factors out there.
And people have discerning spirit and challenge and ask questions.
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Yes.
And we're being flooded by nonsense to make it harder and harder to tell what is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I turn off the media.
Yeah.
What's up for shows like this?
Yeah.
Okay.
Great.
Aging today.
Yes.
Are we have we, have we learned anything from the last pandemic?
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COVID-19?
Have we learned anything so that we don't repeat this again?
You know, the misinformation or is it, is pretty obvious?
The word he said.
Yeah.
We learned that if you scare people, the death is profitable.
Yeah.
You have a mobile belief.
They throw money at it and nobody keeps track.
Yeah.
You learn the fear of cells.
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Yeah.
So, so discerning.
I'm just, anyhow, well, I'm a, I'm a guy that the glasses have full.
So, you know, I'm, I'm hoping that we can come out of this and that we can come out of
it better down the road.
It may just take some time, but maybe I'm delusional.
No, you're not.
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In my 70, I mean, I'm 31 years old, but I was born 72 years ago.
Yeah.
I feel 31, so that's all I am.
One of the things I've learned, even being homeless, having been dropped out of medical
and homeless, not going days without eating, sleeping in parks, it all turns out to be,
have been a blessing for me and a gift.
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Yeah.
Everything has turned out.
And to be a real gift, I've learned to see things that way.
Sometimes it takes a while to notice what's going on now is perfect.
It's a challenge, but it teaches us discernment.
If we're going to go into a bigger world, more conscious world, whatever you want to call
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it, discernment is important because there's so much more information coming in and if
you can't separate the wheat from the shaft, the static from the pertinent stuff, you're
going to go overwhelmed.
Consider this our lesson in developing our BS detectors.
And it's a good thing.
This is not a bad thing.
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It's a challenge, but it's a good thing.
Yeah.
Well, I'm hopeful when there's people like yourself, Dr. T, out there that are looking
out for all of us and not only do you not have just the wisdom or yet the knowledge, you
have the wisdom that goes behind all this and knowledge is powerful, but wisdom, I'll
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put my stake on wisdom every day.
So thank you for your wisdom.
Thank you for your knowledge.
Thank you for the research that you've done.
You're an amazing man and we need to continue to have you on aging today to educate all
of us on that there's hope.
If you're living what long COVID, what can we conclude with from today's show?
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How would you like to leave it?
If you have these symptoms, they are very, very treatable.
You can email me at thet.cmail.com for the information sheets or you can get the, you can heal from
long COVID book and will guide you.
And I want to leave in this thought.
If you get well, so you can go back to what made you sick in the first place, you've
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done nothing for yourself.
Use the illness that you couldn't do all the stuff that you dropped.
And as you get better, you said energy to pick up those things that feel good to you and
feel your soul.
But the other things, you haven't been arrested at home this for not doing them, but draw
your energy, let them go.
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Get a life you love and the illness will turn out.
That's been a little gift for you as well for me.
And I also want everybody to know you're not alone.
There are 17 million people living with long COVID.
You're not alone.
You're not crazy because I've heard this from many people that are living with long COVID.
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Everybody thinks, they say, the first thing that comes out of their mouth is, everybody
thinks I'm crazy and they think I'm lazy and they think that, and the doctors are prescribing
it.
Go to bed, just sleep.
And there's more to it than that.
Absolutely.
That's abusive.
Don't buy into people laying that trip on your doctors laying that trip on your column
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on it.
And find some deals.
So for those that now understand long COVID and they want to connect with you once again,
tell us your website.
Your website is endfotigue.com.
And like Nancy, D.L.A.Van, and the word fatigue, F-A-P-I-G-U-E.com.
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That's where I have products that I sell that I find are the best models in the country
and world for information, vitality, 101.com.
For the free information sheets and for short questions, people send me the home medical
records.
I delete.
But if you have one or two lines, you know, or three line questions, I tend to get tipped
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to those and answer them.
So my email is fatigue, F-A-P-I-G-U-E-D-O-C, edgmail.com.
And again, I'm happy to help.
But I love having returns from direct patient care now after 50 years.
My focus is on teaching.
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And I'm happy to teach you how to get your life back.
All right.
Well, you are our professor.
You are the one that we look forward to having on aging today, to guide us, to lead us
into a better healthy life.
So thank you once again, Dr. T, for being on aging today.
And I look forward to having you back on because there's more to talk about.
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And in particular, what you mentioned earlier in the show about dementia.
So we're going to have you back on and have that discussion as well.
Okay?
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
All right.
Everybody from the big island of Hawaii?
Aloha.
Aloha.
Oh, I love that.
I didn't know you were there.
Hello.
Congratulations.
Oh, yeah.
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20 years ago, my wife and I moved.
All right.
Nicely done.
Oh, that's our favorite island.
Yeah.
Okay.
When we get over there next time, I'm coming to visit.
So, yeah.
That'd be great.
All right.
This is Mark Turnbull, your host, and I want to thank all of you for tuning into aging
today.
As a reminder, we are the podcasts where together we're exploring the many options to aging
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on your terms.
And remember this, we're all in the process of aging.
And as we age, we really are better together.
So stay young at heart.
Are you make me feel so young?
You make me feel like spring has sprung.
And every time I see your face, I'm such a happy individual.
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So, I'm so happy to be here.
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I'm so happy to be here.
You've been listening to Aging Today, where together, we explore the options to Aging on your terms.
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Join Mark and his guest next week for another lively discussion on proactively Aging on your terms.
Connecting you to the professional advice of his special guests with the goal of creating better days throughout the Aging process.
Your host has been Mark Turnbull.
Join Mark and his guest every week on Aging Today, your podcast to exploring your options for Aging on your terms.
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And you went all the way.
You make me feel the way I feel today.
'Cause you make me feel so.
You make me feel so young.
So young.
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You make me feel so young.
You make me feel so young.
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