Ep. 391 — Frank Perrelli: NJ State Champ → Cornell All-American → Treigning Lab Oklahoma - Airey Bros.'s Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to aery Brose Radio. Be there or b
square because it's all killer, no filler. This is Frank
Perelly and you're listening to Erin Brose Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, howdy and aloha, we are here,
you are there, and you are now rocking with the best.
We greatly appreciate you tuning in for another episode of
aery Bros. Radio. Tonight, we're stepping back on to the
mat to go belly to belly with a man who's
done it all on the mat and is now changing
the game in the lab and in Stillwater, Oklahoma. But
before we get rolling, y'all know the drills hammer that

(00:40):
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on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcast. Tonight's guest, Frank
Perelli is joining us. He's a New Jersey native who
climbed to the top of the NCAA wrestling in freestyle
competition and is now bringing cutting edge performance science to

(01:03):
athletes through the training lab. He is a New Jersey
high school state champion, an NCAA All American at Cornell
in twenty twelve, a two time EIWA champion, a University
national champion, a four time US Senior All American, and
a US Open runner up. He's a former Spartan Combat
RTC head coach with fifteen World Team Burst, multiple UWW

(01:24):
World Medals. Founder of the Training Lab Oklahoma, partnering with
coach Sam Calavita to expand the East to the Midwest
Performance Network. Frank has carried the Matt carried his Matt
side grind into the Performance Lab, blending wrestling, roots, science
and innovation to elevate athletes at every level. Without further ado,

(01:45):
it is an honored pleasure to have you joining us
this evening. We do greatly appreciate your time. Frank PERELLI,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thanks for having me. Man, I didn't even know half
that stuff. That's a good little recap.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I like that. Yeah, Jimmy's a good, good stat finder.
He gets on that. So we're excited to chat with you.
And again, it's always a pleasure when we can connect
with people from New Jersey. These these conversations usually pretty fun.
So without getting too far ahead of ourselves anywhere you
would like our fans to go find you, social Media,
anything you might have coming up, camps, clinics, anything along

(02:18):
those lines. The floor is yours.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, So I think the easiest way to find me
is training lab underscore okay, and that's t R E
I G N I N G underscore okay on Instagram,
and then you can find any links to websites or
whatever on there. It's probably the easiest spot.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Awesome. We'll put all that stuff in the show notes
for you as well. And so Frank, we want to
kick this off. This is probably going to be the
most important question going to ask you all evening. I
think I know the answer to this, but I never know.
I know you spent some summers at the Jersey Shore.
Is it pork roller Taylor Ham?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's Taylor Haam. I'm a North Jersey guy. I spent
a lot of summers. It's Jersey Shore. But but it's
Tailorham all the way.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
All right, Yeah, those those North Jersey Ivy League guys, Jim,
they're there Team Taylor Ham.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
One ruin through.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
There's not one chink in that length.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
No way Taylor Ham making cheese. You gotta go there
all day.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
All So have you been able to find some tailor
ham down there in uh in still Water?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
No, Unfortunately I don't. I don't partake in taylor Haam
any longer. I'm more focused on got my training lab
hat on and I gotta live it. So no more
tailor ham for me, although I do remember the taste
in it.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's really good, Okay, all right, got Jim so Frank
we like to have a little bit of through rhymes
with all our guests. And when we were talking when
Zach linked us up, I mentioned you and I wrestled
together a sure thing back in the summer before you
went to del Barton. You were I believe your family

(03:58):
had a house and Lavallette, and I pretty much got
the follow you come up from from being a freshman
and going to doull Barton and not being sure about
it and having a wrestle with Mike Gray every day,
and then watch you winn stay title and then also
have an awesome career at Cornell and then you know,

(04:21):
following you from Afar, I also saw you were working
with coach Sam Calvita, and my senior year in high school,
I went out to the internal Warrior Wrestling camp out
in Trego, Montana, and then I went back when I
was in junior college and was a counselor there. So
I know coach Cal very well. He's had a deep

(04:41):
impact on my life. So stoke to reconnect with you
and pick your brain about working with coach Cal And uh, yeah,
it's just awesome to have you on and chat with
you tonight.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. And I
do remember after you know, we first started talking, I
went and looked you, looked you up and I recognized
your face right, and I was like, oh, yeah, I
definitely remember, you know, shout out to Vinnie A sure
thing having me in in the summers. He didn't care.
He was really cool about that. And yeah, my family
had that house and Lavelette my grandma. My parents would

(05:13):
drop me off and they made sure I was getting
my workouts in. So my grandma would drive me to
Wall Township where the club was and get our workouts in,
get home and go back to the beach. So it
was all good.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, got to respect the kid on summer vacation getting
his workouts. And yeah, what's your origin story with wrestling?
How'd you start wrestling.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Honestly, I just brought a flyer home from school. I
think pretty typical. I did think it was WWF. I
found out pretty quickly it wasn't. I think that's just
about every every young kid that starts. As a story,
my dad went to Deulbarton. He wrestled there, so not
like I at the time. You know, I think I
was five years old, so I was in kindergarten, and

(05:56):
you know, it was, I think, a way for me
to get out of energy. It didn't matter that I
was always a really small kid.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I wrestled forty five pounds in or sorry, thirty five
pounds in kindergarten. You know, so playing football and baseball
you're always like the tiny kid, and wrestling you're wrestling
other small kids too, So it made it a little
made it easy to be competitive and get in there.
And you know, I think I just naturally like to
kind of battle and fight, So that was an easy outlet.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
So you when you were at Dell Barton, we had
coach doln He was your coach while you were there.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
He was he came in for two years my junior
and senior year. I had some exposure to him. He
was a coach at Saint Joe's in my freshman sophomore year,
and Mike Gray and I both trained with Pete Gonzales privately,
and you know, he introduced us to to Brian and

(06:48):
then del Barton was really good about it. When our
head coach moved on and we were looking for a
new head coach, they actually had, you know, us give
some input, and you know, we had a couple of
different choices. Not I don't think we made the final decision,
but we definitely pushed for for Stull. We were really
fond of him, and obviously it's worked out great and

(07:09):
he's done an amazing job with the program.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
What's the experience like as a high schooler going to
a school like del Barton, Jim and our public school kids,
you know, and we don't. We know some people that
went to CBA. We trained with the CBA kids, but
we never had that kind of experience. What's a Del
Barton experience?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Like? Man, I gotta think back now. It was a
while ago though, but so my experience was a little different.
I was the only one from Warren County, so I
grew up in Hackettstown, New Jersey, which is about ten
minutes from Blair, which I always wanted to go to
Blair growing up. And you know, I and then as
I got closer to that high school age, you know,
I was applying to schools my eighth grade year, which

(07:48):
is weird to think about that you're, you know, kind
of going through a little bit of like a college
experience or a senior in high school experience as an
eighth grader. So I applied to a couple of different schools.
My brother went to Pope On, so I think I
applied to Pope John and uh, Blair and del Barton
and maybe like one other school I don't know. And

(08:08):
you know, I got wait listed at Blair and I
got into Del Barton. And you know, I was really
close with with Buckston even at the time. His son
Tony was a year younger than me, so we always
went into the room and trained there even as a
little kid, and I would wrestle with Tony during the
high school practices. So when Buckston found out that, uh

(08:30):
that I didn't get in, he I think he kind
of threw a fit and I ended up getting in
and I was like, well, no, screw that, I'm going
to del Barton. My you know, my stubborn Jersey Italian
ways kind of availed. Then it's it worked out for
the for the best. I think, you know, I kind
of I went to del Barton, got to you know,
you know, kind of follow Mike's path, so to speak.

(08:52):
Obviously I didn't win for state titles, but I think
he definitely brought me along and I got connected with
the Gray family. But so it was a a little
different of an experience being from Warren County. I was
the only kid that went to Dell Barton from Warren County.
So I would catch the train every morning in Hacketstown
at I think it was like six oh five or
something like that. My mom would drop me off at

(09:14):
the train station and it take me about an hour
and ten minutes to get to school, which you know,
sounds like a lot, but it was awesome. I actually
really enjoyed it. I was, you know, traveling. It kind
of made me feel a little grown up. I was
traveling with people going to work, and I know, so
it kind of made me mature a little bit. And
I either got to sleep or I would do my
homework in the morning, just you know, get it done,

(09:37):
and then another ten fifteen minute bus ride from the
train station to dull Barton, so I have you know,
I was moving from five forty five all the way
to you know, get to school at like eight fifteen,
get ready to go so and then it being all
boys was a little bit of a culture shock at first,
you know, I was a public school kid growing up,

(09:58):
and then you get really you know, you're a little nervous,
and then you get used to it. It actually is
a lot easier, especially being in Oklahoma. Now when people
find out that I went to an all boys Catholic
high school, They're like, what the heck, it's so for them,
But it was. It made it really easy. You know,
you didn't have to worry about what you look like.
You're not trying to press anybody. You just kind of

(10:19):
focused on what you had to focus. There's you know,
no girls that you're worried about and pressing in school.
You just kind of focus on getting your work done,
playing sports and kind of just prints and repeat type
of thing.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
You were on the ground level of Coach Stall being
at del Barton and growing into the dynasty. What do
you think some of the key factors are for the
success there.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Stoll only cares about the kids. He does not care
about He has no ego, he doesn't want any accolades.
He's for the kids, and you know, that's really all
he cares about it. It's cool too. So my senior
level career, I was competing in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. I was
living in Bethlehem and competing for the Lehigh Valley Wrestling

(11:06):
Club and uh Rich Tavoso, who's a you know Dell
Barton father and Stole and Guy Russo kind of reached
out to me when they found out I was moving
back and they're like, hey, come come help out. So
for a couple of years, I got to, you know,
drive into Dell Barton and I would help run practice
like once or twice a week during the season and

(11:26):
do some private lessons with kids and then help coach
certain things. And so I got to see it from
both both perspectives, where you know, Stole was my coach
and then I'm kind of like alongside of him coaching too,
and uh, you know, I had a ton of respect
for him when I was one of his athletes, and
you know, lovable guy, super easy to get along with.

(11:49):
Everybody's best friend does it, you know, very selfless. And
then as a coach, I saw it taken to it,
you know, either even even you know, further further path
and I got to see it from a different light.
So it was really cool. And you know, he's a
great guy. He's done an amazing thing with that program
and everything's for the kids and he just does whatever
he can, no matter, no matter what it takes. So

(12:10):
it's it's, you know, really awesome thing to see. And uh,
you know, I think the Dull Barton community is should
be really grateful, grateful to have him. He's he's done
an amazing job. And Guy too, I mean, I can't
can't forget about Guy. I love Guy. He's like, you know,
a second father to me. He's been awesome. So guys
always kind of behind Stoll still gets like I said,

(12:33):
Stoll doesn't want the limelight or whatever. Guy's even more
so in the shadows, and he's like, you know, he
helps out a ton. And it couldn't couldn't have run
without Guy either.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
And so from one great coach to another great coach.
You got to go to Cornell. We've had coach cole
On twice. What what was that experience like for you.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So I kind of Actually we've been talking about this
a couple of my buddies, and you know, we've been
talking about the dynamic that Coach Cole brought. And I
think one of the reasons that I even ended up
at Cornell was because, you know, it was so easy
to temp yourself and to set you know, we were
very serious when we were in the room and focused

(13:20):
in training, and then you know, it was joking and
laughing and you know, having a good time when we weren't.
You know, we knew when to turn it on, we
knew when to turn it off, and I think Coach
Cole was a master at that. I had some other
options school wise, and what really drew me to Cornell
not only was the team when I took my official

(13:41):
visit and a couple I took an unofficial and then obviously,
you know, as I was making my decision, Mike Gray
decided he was going there as well. He did their
red their gray shirt program, and uh so that made
it easy. But Coach Cole definitely, you know, made it
really fun and that's that's what I wanted. I Like,
when I wrestled best and competed best, and just everything

(14:04):
in general. You know, life was really good when and
going really well and smooth when I was having fun.
And that's what I kind of drew me to Cornell
and coach Cole in particular.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
And I imagine the academics at Dell Barton prepare you
for an IVY League education, but for again public school kids,
not we hear of the IVY leagues. Is it as
difficult as as people make it sound.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's it's definitely tough, and uh kind of the way
I can equate Cornell and having been to some other
schools after after my career, you know, bounce around a
little different spots. Training Cornell is really sink or swim.
Either you get it done or you don't. And you know,
so Dell Barton definitely helped me prepare and figure that

(14:53):
out of like, you know, where my time is best,
you know, spent, and it maybe it's not reading the
entire textbook or doing all the homework. It's you know,
picking and choosing and knowing what I need to get
done and maybe what's not so important. I'm probably not
going to get like an A plus or one hundred
percent on everything, but I'll get, you know, a decent

(15:14):
score and get the majority, kind of like the eighty
twenty rule a little bit. So I definitely helped me prepare.
And you know, Cornell is like, you know, they'll provide
you tutors and stuff, but they're not going to hold
your hand and walk you through, walk you to class,
make sure you're where you're supposed to be. It's like, nope,
you're an adult. You're here, and you know, Unfortunately for me,

(15:38):
it took me about maybe a half a semester, three
quarters semester to really figure that out. You know, I
didn't have an amazing GPA my my freshman year or
first semester i should say, and then you know, it
was like okay, I figured out towards the end of
that semester and then from there it was like I
kind of knew what I had to do. So it
took me a little longer and then I think it

(16:02):
should have, but but I ended up it worked out fine. Right,
No one remembers their GPA or anything, and they.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Don't put that on your diploma.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah no, no, it doesn't come in. See's get degrees,
that's it.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
But as a person of mid school is still a doctor.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, exactly. But you know, and then I think it
prepares you for life and figuring that stuff out and
you know, trying to be efficient with your time and
not kind of wasting, you know, eighty percent of your
time on the twenty percent of details that aren't going
to be super super important.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, Frank, I know we're doing the gauntlet of talk
about this awesome person you worked with, talk about this
awesome person you worked with. But you went to high
school with Mike Ray, and then you went to college
with Mike Ray, and then you were coaching with him
up at Cornell. Talk about the impact Mike's had on you.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't even know where to start, to be honest.
You know, he kind of took me in as a
as a brother right from my freshman year. I had
never met him before I went to the bar, so
we kind of hit it off. We had very similar goals.
We were interested in the same stuff, which was pretty
much just wrestling. So that first, you know, first year,
I didn't do so great and I kind of was like, Hey,

(17:12):
I'm just gonna attach myself to this guy. And I
think I probably slept at the Gray's house more times
than I did at my parents' house. You know, that's
that first summer and we're just training and going here
and there Blair and doing private lessons. He had a
matt in his basement and you know, working out, doing
a bunch of stuff, climbing the rope in the back
and all over the place. So I think, I, you know,

(17:35):
I figured it out pretty pretty quick that he's done
things that I want to do. So I'm just gonna
mirror whatever he does. And then obviously, you know, we
ended up together in college. We were roommates for four
years and and then you know, I kind of did
my own thing and competed, traveled around the country a
little bit, and then it made my way back to

(17:56):
Cornell and he brought me in as the RTC coach
went he first got that head job, and you know,
it was awesome. We had a really good dynamic. It
was you know, me, Nick Widowski, Donnie, Donnie Vincent, and
Kellen Russell and it was like, you know, we hadn't
It was like we all got brought back together. I

(18:17):
hadn't known Donnie as so well. I knew Gwiz from
the circuit. Kellen went to Blair, so we were around
him all the time since I was like in my
fifth grade, So it was just a lot of fun.
That dynamic was really great, and I know Mike's done
an amazing job. He's won two team trophies in the
four years that that he's you know been at the Helm,
so a second and third place, which I was lucky

(18:39):
enough to to kind of be a part of. You know,
I was in practice every day and then obviously focusing
on the freestyle guys the senior levels as well, and
then you know, the whole team would jump into ARDC
practice as soon as the season was over all through
the summer. So it was a lot of fun. You know,
I learned a ton from him. I really am truly
grateful for him taking me in and I just treat

(19:00):
me as a brother. And yeah, I can't can't really
say enough about what Mike has done for my trajectory.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
So I know you were training at the senior level
for a while and now your strength conditioning coach and
you were the r O T C coach RTC.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Coach Sorry yeah, h from last night?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah? Too many? Too many?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Acronyms? Is that too many acronyms? So I say all
that to say, did you always know you want to coach?
Did you always know you wanted to be a strength
conditioning coach?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know, coming out of college, I did coach Cole
kind of we would do this, you know, we would
do our goal sheets every year and I actually was
just talking about this with a buddy and uh, you know,
in my goal sheet one year. I think he just
kind of stopped the meeting and asked me what I
wanted to do. I was like, well, I want to

(20:01):
just keep competing and then I want to coach. And
he kind of sat me down and was like, Okay,
if you're serious about this, like we'll kind of you know,
tailor your you know, your trajectory towards coaching and stuff.
So we had Fingerlakes Wrestling Club, not only at the time,
that was what the RTC was called, and there was

(20:23):
also a you know, kids club program. So I think
he he not he didn't make me, but he suggested
I go in, like, you know, once or twice a
week and help out with that. And I really enjoyed
it helping out the little kids, and I felt that
I really felt like when I was teaching younger kids,
especially where you really have to break it down and

(20:44):
think about the technique or you know, mindset especially, you know,
you really learned it better yourself, and it kind of
like hammered it, hammered it in when you're doing it
yourself of Okay, I'm not just drilling, I'm like actually
following the steps that I just taught this little kid,
you know, last night. So it really helped. It really
helped me, I think, as a competitor to get that

(21:06):
little bit of coaching experience. And then as I transitioned
to senior level, I was the gray Shirt coach at
Cornell for the year and a half that I was
there after I graduated, which again I think helped helped
a lot. I learned a lot. And then every other
place I went, I kind of just would pick like

(21:27):
a guy or two that you know, I've decided whether
I liked them or they were my training partner, and
I kind of got some benefit out of helping them
out and getting them better to then obviously sharpen me.
I always just just really enjoyed that aspect of being
able to connect with a guy, not only like Okay, yeah,
we're going to talk about technique and break it down

(21:47):
and then maybe some mindset stuff, but then being able
to connect with them off the mat and outside the
room as well. I really really enjoyed that. So now
that I'm kind of out of wrestling, so to speak,
at least at the senior level and college level, I
do have some guys, local guys that I work with.
I really enjoyed doing that, but then working with them

(22:10):
and all sports now too, which is which is really
cool transition of working with the strength and conditioning and
then nutrition the full aspect of that Coach cal has
set up with the training lab. It's been a really
cool transition for me.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
So you bring up Coach cal Obviously I know coach
cal Rich knows Coach Cal, but he's kind of mysterious,
doesn't do many many interviews. Everyone hears about the garage,
everyone hears about the experiences and the hair follicul tests
and all that stuff. Where did that come into play
with Frank PERELLI?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So I guess what I'll do is I'll just kind
of start of how I met Coach cal. So, Actually
it's funny. I was roommates with David Taylor. I want
to say it was like twenty thirteen at the OTC,
and you know, he I was like super into the
nutrition and trying to like all things in and at
the time, I was like fully bought in on the

(23:04):
Maximized Living portion of stuff, which I don't know if
you know their approach, it's it's kind of similar to
Coach Cali, right their whole Foods, holistic nutritional. It's like
a chiropractic group that also focused on nutrition. And they
were helping a USA wrestling at the time. So a
guy named Fred Rossi he's a Jersey guy, also moved

(23:24):
to Florida started this thing called Maximized Living. So I
was like super into the nutrition and stuff. And David's
my roommate, sees me eating healthy and like avoiding stuff,
and he's eating like candy bars and things like that
and kind of like poking fun at me a little bit,
and I'm like, god, whatever, And then you know, I
get to be better friends with David after, you know,
after he kind of graduates college and is on the

(23:46):
senior level and then we're roommates again. And it must
I think it was like twenty either twenty seventeen or
twenty eighteen, and he's like, hey, you were right about
all that nutrition stuff. It's like, I finally, you know,
I'm working with this guy now out in California, and
you know, I realized how important it is and all
this stuff, and he's like, you should connect with them,
because at the time, I was just kind of trying

(24:08):
to train myself in terms of strength and conditioning, and
I had, you know, poked around a little bit and
done research with Charles on Charles, Paul Quinn and a
bunch of different pathways down that end, and so I,
you know, just was like, a screw it, I'm going
to try. I messaged the training Lab account on Instagram
and didn't hear back for like a month, and then,

(24:29):
you know, all of a sudden, I get like a
phone call from California and like, what the heck? So
I pick it up and it's coach cal I guess
he had like taken a couple of weeks and kind
of vetted me and figured out what kind of person
I am. And he's like, Hey, if you want to
come out and train, then you can be at my
house at this date. And it was like a day

(24:51):
or two after the US Open so it was in
like April, and I basically just switched my return flight
to go to California after the US Open one year
and went out and trained with him. He was like, hey,
you can have this room. This is my daughter's room.
You can have a room. Like I just like slept
in her bed and woke up trained with him, did
all my testing and stuff, and I was like, my

(25:11):
mind was blown. So I kind of completely bought into that.
That's kind of how I am. I'm just like one
hundred percent or nothing at all, So I bought in.
I was hooklined and sinker, and I really believed all
the stuff. I felt all the changes, and you know,
people around me kind of saw how passionate I was
about it. And that's really how you know, we got started.

(25:32):
I got started with coach cal and Monica, and you know,
he always says that, you know, the training lab is
a family, and I truly believe that, right. I take
take that seriously, you know, with my family and then
now the athletes that I bring in as well. And
I try to treat him just like he treated me
and his wife Monica, and he has nine kids, and
you know, met all the kids and they're awesome people.

(25:52):
So it's kind of just something I like to emulate,
not only on like the business side of things and
obviously the strength and conditioning all that training stuff, just
as a you know, a family and a man someone
that I really look up to and has become a
huge mentor in my life.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
So talk about the nutrition. You know, Jimmy and I
talk about nutrition all the time. We were actually talking
about it before we jumped on here, and you mentioned
you don't do the tailor him anymore. Is that something
that you were doing back then when you first met
David Taylor? Is that something fairly more recently.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
No, I think even back then. I think you know,
I was talking to one of my buddies about this
and he was like, what kind of made you really
dive into the nutrition stuff? And I went and I
watched a movie in two thousand and eight, it was
my freshman year. I had just broken my inkle, my
season was over, and I watched a movie called Food Ink.

(26:47):
I remember. I went to Golden Smith Hall and we
watched it, and it kind of changed how I looked
at everything. It kind of examines that. I'm sure you know.
He is Joel Salatin. He was like one of the
main carrot guys in the movie and talked about, you know,
the the food industry and how crazy it was, and
they opened my eyes. And then from there it was

(27:08):
like a huge rabbit hole. So kind of went down
that path. But so I really started kind of my
whole college career. But I would, you know, go to
Jersey in summers and we'd beat Taylor Ham and stuff.
And then once I, once I met coach Cal, I
kind of stopped dabbling. I should say. I still do
cheat every once in a while, but it's been a

(27:29):
while since I've had Taylor Ham. I may have to
make an exception here pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
When you're in level what do you call it, Taylor
Ham still, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I gotta I gotta stay true to it. That's right.
They have enough North Jersey people down there that know
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
But you also mentioned Charles Polk when he's someone you know,
Recipe said Jim, and I hold in high regard. We've
dug into him a lot and follow a lot of
his practices. With with the athletes that you're working with.
You mentioned it's not just wrestlers at this point.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
No, it's not. You know, I have a couple of
baseball player, soccer player, you know, MMA fighters. I actually
work with Mike's younger brother Mark, who's a professional fighter
right now. Done a couple of weight cuts with him
which have gone really well. Tough, he's tough as nails,
but you know, we made the weight and he felt
good and was able to fight. I actually just talked

(28:20):
to a guy today who's wants to fly out and
get all his testing done. He's like an ex football player,
he's four years old. He is a businessman, and you know,
so I'm you know, interested in working with all sports. Obviously,
the training lab was kind of born out of combat sports,
and but he's we've been able to transition that into

(28:41):
you all sports and health in general and longevity and
kind of can tailor it what what with uh to
whatever you want it to be in terms of you know,
whether performance or health or whatever. You know, it starts
with like you know, Jimmy was talking about with them
that here at tissue mineral analysis tests right and starting

(29:03):
with the cell and we'll do blood work and do
labs and figure out what's going on inside the cell,
and then we work outwards as opposed to you know
a lot of just strength and conditioning coaches not throwing
shade at anybody, but you know, they just want to
get you in the gym and try to get you stronger,
which is great, but you know, if you're there's a
lot going inside your body that you need to take

(29:25):
care of as well, so we want to make sure
we're touching every facet of that.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Can you have any interest in working with an ultra marathoner?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Hell, yeah, come on, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Can you dive into that test a little more? Because
I feel like there's a lot of people who think
they're doing the right things, but they're probably fighting against
themselves and don't even realize it.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah. So you know, initially when we get people in,
we'll kind of you know, do a few different tests
on them. One of the tests we use a bioimped
and scale and we'll just get you know, your regular metrics,
you know, body fat percentage, scale to muscle mass, you know,
hydro extracellular intracellular things like that, just you know, overall

(30:06):
weight b m I, which we don't really take into
account too much, but a bunch of different metrics will
do your basically get your resting metabolic rate, and we'll
do vo two max and then from there we'll kind
of work backwards and go in more like hair analysis,
and then based on those results we can order blood
work that we we deem necessary and just look at those,

(30:27):
you know results and try to look at a person
as a whole instead of being like, Okay, well this
is you need more calcium, so you're going to take
calcium like that's not that's not how we operate. We
always try to, you know, treat everything holistically with real
foods and then kind of supplement as necessary, but everything's
done with with whole foods, with nutrition, you know, organic

(30:52):
is you know, kind of what we preach and just
getting back to you know nature or you know, how
things were done in the past and without you know,
everything being screwed up by the food industry or whatever
it is, chemicals and everything. So we just want it
to be as natural as possible and let the body

(31:12):
you know, kind of perform as you know God intended.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
So do these tests with some of these athletes. Obviously
you're working with some high caliber athletes. Do you ever
have someone come in who's just nailing it?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean in a lot of aspects, some of
these guys are but there's always, you know, that that
room for improvement. And you'd be surprised too where some
of the guys where they're nailing it in competitions come
in and they're like, you know, we can we can
look be like, well, you're already like you know, the
top two percent of the elite level, right, so you're

(31:50):
like world medalist whatever, you know, NCAA champ and and
and then we look and like, well, you have this
much room to improve. Still you have your like fifty
percent of your potential right now in these categories. Not
saying right that his wrestling is you know, he's got
fifty percent more you know, potential in wrestling or whatever
sport it may be. But in certain areas, you know,

(32:13):
we can find big, big improvements in a lot of
different aspects. So we always, uh, you know, we're always
able to improve things. And you know, it's it's really
hard to to improve on things when you're not measuring.
So we really measure everything, and we get very minute
and you know, granular with our measurements, and and we

(32:34):
want to track every little piece of progress and know
that you know, we're always trending upwards and whatever it
may be. Whether it's you know, recovery or you know
anything anything really and we don't we don't necessarily have
to let the athlete know about all of that stuff.
As a trainer, that's kind of more of my job

(32:56):
to take in all that information, figure out what's going on,
figure out where we can improve in certain things, kind
of just let them do their thing, send them the plan,
maybe you suggest some tweaks here and there, and then
kind of watch that progress take off. It's it's a
it's a really fun perspective to to be on this
end of it.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Obviously the tests are essentral, but do you find watching
NCAA's watching Olympic trials you can do an eyeball test
of an athlete and kind of see what they're they're missing.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I think so. I think so a lot of the times. Right,
It's like, for instance, you know, just thinking about a
couple of people and I'm not going to name any names,
but you can see maybe at the end of the match,
there's like there their eyes get big and they're getting nervous,
and it's like, okay, I know they're not like nervous
about this wrestling match. They're five five, six minutes in.

(33:49):
You know, they're not like they don't still have those
butterflies or kind of you know, blinded by the lights,
so to speak. But you can tell when they start
to feel whether it's being tired or you know, overpowered
in a certain way. So you can you can kind
of tell. And obviously, you know, me being so immersed

(34:10):
in it for so long and I think I competed
from the time I was five until I was thirty two,
I kind of have I think a little bit of
like a sixth sense for it almost where you can
see guys like, oh boy, here we go, like this
is he's in he's in trouble, and you know, he
may still be winning a match or a fight or
whatever it is, and you're like, uh, oh, here it comes.

(34:30):
And then you know, more often than not you can
kind of pick it out.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Are there certain tests that consistently are the ones that
are exposing the biggest gaps?

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I think we get a lot of data from our
VO two VO two Max. Not only are we getting
just the obviously the raw data of the VO two
you know number, but we're seeing a lot of things
with like you know, your breathing rate and you know,
we can we can make a lot of deductions once
once we see all of that data, you know, combined

(35:05):
in one spot. So one athlete I'm thinking about in particular,
we saw that, you know, as his heart rates started
to go up. We were looking at a chart and
his his his breathing rate was like all over the place,
and his heart rate spiked. So we kind of figured
out that, you know, his diaphragm was weak. So we
used one of our one of the tools that we

(35:25):
use and we have the specific protocol for it, where
we were able to help him strengthen his diaphragm. And
then when we you know, retest, we were able to
see and that that trend line was much much more steady,
and then we didn't get that big spike and heart rate,
and then obviously you know, we were able to track
everything else and everything else improved as well along with

(35:45):
that one little piece of you know, him basically not
being able to control his breathing and then everything else
kind of going haywire.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Are you doing the two max you're doing on a
treadmill or on a bike?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Uh? We preferably try to do on a treadmill. We
find we get much more accurate data. And when we
do it on a bike, it's really difficult because I
mean most of us aren't cyclists, so your legs kind
of give out before before your lungs. So we find
that on a on a treadmill, we get more of

(36:19):
an accurate look at exactly what's happening there.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
And from a wrestler's perspective, what's the highest VO two
max you've seen from a.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Wrestler mid seventies coach calis stories of guys in the
mid eighties, which is which is pretty pretty high VO two?
And again, right, I'm not so worried about you know,
you know whose VO two max is higher than the other.

(36:47):
It's all just a measure of sure, you know, how
we're progressing. It's not so much like yeah, and of
course right, we want to compete at everything as wrestlers
and as athletes. But at the end of the day,
you know, you kind of poke fun at your buddy
if your Voto max is higher than but it really
doesn't matter, you know, it's just a measure against yourself
at the end of the day. Sure RK.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
We all know wrestling is a it's like a dirty
subject or sorry not wrestling. Diet is a dirty subject
when it comes to wrestling because none of us do
it right right. We're all raised the wrong way in nutrition.
How much do you find that guy that is more
of a factor than what's going on on the mat
or on the scale, is hey, your diet is just

(37:30):
a mess.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah. I think it plays a huge factor, especially at
the high school and a lot of times college ages,
senior level. I would say it's rare to be like,
oh my god, that guy had a terrible weight cut.
Usually they're a little more on top of it, right,
they have less to worry about. In most cases, they
don't have to sit in school or do homework or

(37:51):
write papers. You know, there are professional athletes and this
is their job. But especially at the high school and
college levels, you see guys totally just bastardize all of
their training and work that they've put in with a
bad weight cut and it shows on the mat and
they just like do not look like themselves. And it's

(38:12):
it's really easy to pick out even just for a
you know, like a you know, regular spectator. You know,
you don't have to be an expert on the subject
to be like, wow, that guy looked really good last
week and now he's the looks terrible, like what is happening?
He looks like half the person he is. So and
that's one thing that we do really well is we

(38:35):
are able to help these guys dial in their nutrition
and we tailor it to their weight and we can
help them with their weight cuts a lot with the
protocols that you know, Coach cal is set in place,
and then obviously we're building upon every day and you know,
learning and improving. But you know, I got uh Mark
Mark was a project. He came to me. I think,

(38:57):
I don't think he'll mind me using his name, but
you know, for two fights ago he came to me.
It was like one sixty nine and he had to
make one forty was it was a catchweight, and I
think he had eight or nine weeks to do it.
And you know, we went through the whole process, all
the testing, got his numbers, you know, set him up
with a nutritional plan, you know, figured out exactly what

(39:19):
foods he was going to eat. We you know, he
was sending me photos of his food, his meal prep
all of it, and I was working with him pretty
much hand in hand, and we got him down to weight,
and he was like, like, yeah, it was tough. The
last couple of pounds are always tough when you're that big.
But you know, we used a hypersaturation to get him there,
which is all run through the software, and he felt great,

(39:41):
he was able to fight, and you know that was
I Actually I was still in Ithaca at the time.
I think me and my buddy drove down to Atlantic City.
We got there like ten minutes before his fight, and
then he won, we drove right back home, So it
was it was awesome to be there for it. But yeah,
he's done a great job. And back to the question,
and it's you know, it's a huge thing, the nutrition

(40:03):
and uh, you know, you want to leave no stone
unturned is what we always say. And if you can
just control that little bit of you know, it really
doesn't take a whole lot. Obviously you don't know what
you don't know, right, but once you have that knowledge
and you're able to put it into place, then it
kind of is just more about will and determination and

(40:23):
you know, willpower more than anything really, and just putting
the fuel in your body that you need with really
nothing extra, and you know, sticking sticking to the path
and getting where you need to be for fight day
or competition day, whatever you have.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
You talked about living the lifestyle before and how you
don't cheat that much. Can you just talk about how
much a cheat can kind of destroy everything you've been
doing prior to that cheat.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, so especially, you know, I would say I feel
it more now because I am so strict with everything.
You know, when if say I do have something that's
you know, not on the plan, I'll feel it. You know,
I feel it immediately, like in my fingers. You know,
my ankles will swell up. I'm like such a baby

(41:13):
now when it comes to that stuff. Right, So it's
like it's like a you know, it's it's like a
funny duality, right because you're so dialed in and then
you you like, do one little thing wrong and you
become the biggest puss of all time. And you know
it's funny too. So I have a two year old daughter,
and obviously she just kind of eats what we We

(41:34):
don't have anything in the house that's not on the plan.
And then you know, she'll go with my in laws
and they'll give her like ice cream and oreos, and
she'll come back and have like diarrhea and pimples all
over her face, and we're like, she's even she's the
same way as we are now, so we can't Yeah,
I really can't like handle it. And it makes you

(41:55):
feel so bad that you're like this, you know, this
ten seconds of enjoyment is just not worth it at all.
I'm not even going to bother.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Are you doing macros? Are you? Are you doing meal
plans for for the athletes as well too?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, so when we when I do initial consultations with them,
I'll give them their you know, their macro percentage breakdown,
exact numbers, and then obvious it's it's very focused on
our micro nutrients as well, and then based on deficiencies
or whatever we see with toxicities also with the hair analysis,
and then the labs that they're doing will tailor that

(42:33):
meal plan to try to balance out and and kind
of get back to that homeostasis. So you know, some
guys will be eating more of one food as opposed
to another, and some guys will be avoiding certain things,
and some guys will be you know, really high fat,
and some guys will be higher carbs, lower fat. You know,
with athletes always we always try to stay pretty high

(42:54):
with our protein to make sure we're recovering from our workouts.
But you know, the carbohydrates and fat can be different,
and obviously you know overall calories, but then our micro
nutrients and supplementation differ widely from from athlete to athlete.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Are you looking for like one one and a half
grams per pound or two depending on the size of
the athlete.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, depending on the size of the athlete and kind
of what their goals are. So you know, obviously, if
a guy's trying to lose some weight, you know, that
might come down a little bit. If a guy's putting
weight on, we might jack that way up. It all
just depends. I work with guys that are, you know,
wrestling heavyweight, and I work with guys that are cutting
down to one twenty five, So all over the map.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Would you recommend for someone with iron.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
That's a refreshing I got a textbook right here that
I gotta I gotta look at, and it's it's it's
actually funny too, right. So you you may show high
iron on your blood tests, but like a hair analysis
could show something completely different. So so, uh, you know,
blood work, it's like a little snapshot, whereas hair analysis,
you know that hair took like three four months to grow,

(44:03):
and it's contains a whole lot of information, so it
could be you know, widely different or vastly different from
what you're seeing and just like a snapshot. You know,
when you get your blood drawn, So we always recommend
hair analysis first and then we look at the blood
work and do some different analysis that way. But I
have my handy notebook that well, I'll go through on

(44:26):
every single hair analysis that I do, and you know,
we run it through our software as well. I'll do
my own analysis on it and kind of compare and
contrast and see what we figure out. And you know
it's there's there's a bunch of different strategies. But but yeah,
i'd have to I'd have to see a hair analysis
and some blood work to make any recommendations.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Well, I know it may not look at but this
hair took longer than three months ago. It's forty nine
and it's I just started growing it back out, but
I did just get blood work done. Is the hair stuff?
Is that something you guys do, like, maybe not exclusively,
but I've never you know, I've gone to a couple
of different doctors down here in South Carolina and Oklahoma

(45:08):
and the New Jersey as well, but the top the
no one has ever said, hey, we need to do
a hair sample.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah. I think it's less common, probably because it takes
longer and the analysis is, you know, you can't just
like print it out on a sheet and hand it
to somebody and be like, all right, these are you know,
this is what you got. It's it's a lot more
in depth. It takes a lot more work, and there's
a lot more like country educations, so you know, one say,

(45:36):
you know, one mineral being high can throw off a
reading of another, So there's just a ton that can
go into it. But I would probably say because it
just takes a little more time and a little more effort.
But I think some of the you know, top performance
specialists are definitely focused on on doing hair rather than

(45:58):
exclusively blood. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Can I send you a lock or do I have
to be in person? No, we do all the time.
I have some kids right next to me here. We'll
send them out to people. Basically, it'll give you instructions.
You have like this little paper scale that you fold
up when it when you have enough on it.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
It tips over. You just put it in an envelope,
send it out to the lab. It's not our lab,
it's I think I think the lab's located down in Texas.
It's called Trace Elements, and uh, you know, they send
us back the results and we'll do our own analysis
on it. Get usually I do consultations. Takes a while.
It takes about an hour and a half, two hours
of zoom call to go through with you know, one client,

(46:38):
and then from there we'll recommend certain things. Obviously we're
focused on whole foods first and then uh, supplements based
on those results specifically, so you know, your results or
your your results kind of dictate what supplements are recommended
for you and what doses and you know. So it's
I've had people I've ordered, you know, had to have

(46:58):
ten different supplements, and I've had people who you don't,
only have to have two supplements to kind of balance
things out. So it's it's definitely very individualized and it's
really hard to find. I think anything that kind of
matches it good.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I gotta calum up in the bathroom. I can pick
some hair out, or I.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Think you can send them old hair. I think it
has to be fairly new.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, I think it's only a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
We're gonna have to overnight it. There, you go, put
it on ice, and.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
We've had we've had bald people use like chest hair
or pubic hair also, so you have a bunch of
different options.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I hope they tell you that before they send it too.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Oh. Yeah, it's all in there. I don't touch any
of it, Frank.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Are there any supplements that you find most people are
using or is it so so specific for each person. No.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I think one thing, especially for athletes, that we always
recommend is are going to be our essential amino acids.
I think that's a big thing people are missing. You know,
it's really hard to come come by, you know, to
get at the full spectrum that an athlete would need
to recover. So almost immediately, you know, Training Lab produces
a supplement called it's like their twenty one blend and

(48:10):
it's essential amino acids, and almost everyone that we see,
we immediately you know, recommend taking that. And you know,
I remember the first time that coach cal recommended him
to me and I took him. I like felt like,
you know, night and day difference really really quick. So
that's that's one. I think another one that's pretty common
would be like a krill oil, some sort of Omega

(48:32):
three that usually people are pretty deficient on.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
So I was scanning your instagram and saw some epic stuff,
but I saw that you had a cold press juice
that is like a central training lab secret.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Can you give us the recipe?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I got a cold press and right.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Now, I'll send you the recipe. Don't tell Coach cal though.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
All right, yeah, nobody's listening. Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
No, it's it's a recipe that he developed. And you know,
I've been religious about it basically daily. My wife when
she was pregnant with our daughter, I made her drink
yet every day, and you know, she had a very
easy pregnancy. So we don't completely attribute it to that.
But I know TJ. Dillashaw had, you know, some him

(49:20):
and his wife were having trouble conceiving, and Coach Calc
claims that the juice, the juice was the was the
elixir that that made it happened. So I know he's
got a son that's like five or six or probably
even older. Now I don't even know, but.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
What I mean, obviously coach Callen David have their relationship.
They've worked together for a long time. Was that kind
of the onus of bringing the training lab to Stillwater?

Speaker 1 (49:48):
No, so I actually moved here right after I left Cornell.
So I moved here in twenty fourteen, and I moved
here to train with a guy named Coleman Scott Olympic
bronze medal and he's actually living here in town as
well now. And uh so he when I first moved
to town, I didn't know anybody. He introduced me to

(50:09):
his babysitter for his daughter, who I think was two
at the time. Who now, I actually just finished training
in the garage, and uh so that's how I met
my wife. I ended up marrying the babysitter. So she
was born and raised here, So we ended up she's
an attorney now. She works with her dad and her

(50:29):
brother in town. We had the kind of opportunity to
get back here, let her kind of do her thing,
and obviously, you know, my situation was a little easier.
I could bring bring this with me and obviously there's
a market for it. So yeah, kind of some circumstances
outside of the Baby Taylor coach cal thing but it
just ended up working out like that, Frank.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
We know the craziness of the garage coach Cal and
you know, making MMA fighters throw up. I know want
arch Leta and I follow him and see all the
crazy stuff they do.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
How much of.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Your training is strength training and how much is a
little bit of strength training and conditioning as well.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
So we definitely focus a lot on strength training. We
coach Cal as a master, and uh, you know, I've
learned a ton from him on that aspect of being
able to combine the two. And it's you know, for
different different people, it's different things. And not only that
is different times, you know, whether they're preparing for a
fight or you know, it's a building phase, and so

(51:33):
it can look much different at different times of the
year for the for the athlete, or you know, for
different sports as well. So uh but but yeah, you know,
right now, for instance, we're preparing for the World Championships.
Roman Bravo Young is as a guy that's been coming
in the garage and I've been working with him since

(51:53):
I moved here, and uh, him and both highly are
my two two athletes that are headed to the World
Championship in about a month. Or a little less than
a month now, so we see a lot of those.
You know, those are going to start slowing down and
tapering down a little bit. But you know, the last
couple of weeks for those guys have been like really

(52:15):
hard charging those crazy kind of workouts that you see,
you know in videos from the garage and guys thrown
up and things like that, and those guys have handled
like champs. And you know, I think they're both ready
to make a run at world titles.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Honestly, have you gotten trend off the hogies?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I tried. I don't know if I could. He's got
to hide it from me though.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I don't know what a Jersey Mic sponsorship.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah he should, he should. He's an awesome dude. I
I did not know Trent at all. I was friends
with with Gwiz obviously, I was his coach NC State guy,
and I think he was kind of in trends here
as well. So in March, me and my wife moved

(53:00):
here in February and Trent was our first guest at
our house. Stay at our house, so he I had
never met him. I told him come out get his
testing done. He stayed in our guest room and he's
an awesome dude. Super happy to have him on board.
But Spot the World Championships, and you know, when he

(53:24):
came out, he just told me he was kind of
in a similar position that I was at the time
I started working with Coach cal So that was a
pretty cool, pretty cool thing. He was just trying to
figure out on his own and kind of throwing ship
at the wall and see what's stuck and decided to,
you know, get get a real system. And I think
it's worked out well for him.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
And when our worlds he wrestles September fourteenth and fifteenth,
both of them do actually Roman Entrant Me, me and
my wife and my daughter are.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
All going out to Croatia to to go support, So
I should.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Be Have you ever been?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I was? I did? I brought I think Croatia I
was with I brought Nick Wizdowski out there for a
ranking series a couple of years ago, two years ago.
I think it's cool, cool spot in Zagreb, some.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Good beaches there.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
We are we're going we're stopping at Split. We're stopping
and Split like for two days and then going to
the wrestling. So we're making a little trip out of it.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Nice, nice, and I would imagine with the with your
dietary practices and stuff. You haven't made a trip to
Eskimo Joe's yet.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
I have never been to as I may get shot
if I uh gets out. No, I have never been.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Do you have a cowboy hat?

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I do not. I've fought it hard. When uh, when
I first moved here, everyone's like, when you're geting boots,
when you get a hat. I was like, no freaking
tank top and t shorts and I'm calling it good.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
No boots either, No o me, I guess there's no
belt buckle either, none.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Of that board shorts. Yeah, Jersey for life, Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
All right, Frank, we could talk to you all night,
but we want to be super respectful of your time.
So Rich, do you have another question for Frank?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Do you want to get the final four?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
No.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
No tornadoes this spring right?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
No, we had a couple of scares. We had a
wildfire that was on the other side of town, so
my in laws ended up getting evacuated over here. But
we were you know, we were good. We were good. Lucky.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
You got a shelter.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I need one, but we got a place to go.
We can get get to one pretty quick. But we
got a space in the garage. I need to just
move some weights and put one in there.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah. When I first moved there, I was like first
or second day of work. The guy who worked with
he's like, you gotta you gotta shelter at your place.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I was like no.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
He's like, all right, here's what you're gonna do if
I get a tornado. He's like, you're gonna get your mattress.
You're gonna bring it into the bathroom. You're gonna get
in the tub, and you're gonna put the mattress over
the tub. Yep, Okay, good.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I know. I'm like if I just if it happens,
I'm just gonna sit there and just take it. Whatever
happens happened.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Frank. Is there anything about your coaching services training ab
Oklahoma that we haven't spoke about that you want our
audience to know?

Speaker 1 (56:16):
No, I mean I think we covered a lot, and
you know, if there are any individuals out there that
are serious about it, you know, just feel free to
reach out to me on my website. You can find
that link through my Instagram. It's training that underscore okay,
and uh yeah, anytime, just just reach out and I'll
definitely get back to you as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
So first final four question a half for you. Are
you a coffee drinker?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I just became a coffee drinker. I we got a
really like fancy espresso machine for our wedding, so I
never drank coffee before that. So now, just because we
have it, I do a shot of espresso in the morning.
I don't mind it. I don't love the taste, but
I kind of just put it down just because it's there.

(57:04):
And now it's become like a little ritual. We do
some you know, like organic microtoxin free all crazy. It's
called like a life boost. We just switched from Ben
Greenfield's coffee to life Boost, so yeah, we My wife
really likes it, so it's I don't know, I like

(57:24):
I think I like the ritual of like making the
espresso more than I actually like the taste.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Okay, it'll grow on you. Yeah, Frank, do you have
any daily practices or rituals you do on a regular
basis to show up as the strongest version of Frank Burrelly?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah? Absolutely so. I wake up at four o'clock every day.
I know it sounds crazy. I immediately put on my
chest strap. I'll still do my morning daily readings through
the training lab app and I can kind of monitor
my recovery, throw on my compression boots with some red light,
kind of listen to a couple podcasts that I, you know,

(58:02):
listen to every morning, do some readings, some journals, journal,
journal entry type of stuff, and then I make my
whole sluid drinks, finish it off with the coffee, and
then I get out in the garage and just get
after it. Bye. Uh. By about five o'clock, we have
Coleman Scott's here every morning. We have a couple of

(58:23):
guys that filter in, so there could be anywhere from
me and Coleman to you know, four or five other
guys in the garage, all grinded and out at five o'clock.
So it's it's pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
That's awesome, Frank.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
What are you listening to right now?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Music? Podcasts, audio books? Are you reading anything?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
So I kind of am always listening to podcasts, just
constantly have podcasts on. I actually was mowing the lawn
getting ready for this one, and uh, I listened to
your Guys' podcast with Paul Check, which was awesome. I
I and I did h really like what Paul Check teaches,

(59:11):
so I decided to do it. So I think I
just finished up his podcast. What I'm gonna listen to
right now? Let me look real quick. I had one going.
It's it's never fun stuff and people think I'm crazy
because I'll listen to podcasts while I'm working out the
Energy Balanced podcast, so always trying to learn some stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Thanks for listening. We appreciate you checking that one out.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
We were nervous for that one.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, I can I can imagine he's antivitating, and.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I think we tried for like I don't know how
long to get him and he finally finally came and
joined us.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
So we were hey, persistence, I love it.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah, that's that was the main thing. He said. His wife,
A Penny, was like, you guys, are you guys are
persistent because she'd be like, he's busy, you know, reach
back out in like a year, and Jimmy would like
did that for like three or four years, and we
finally was like, all right, these guys are not going
to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So that's that's how you get it? I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Last one we got for your Franks, if lighthearted one
to close it out, I'm curious if there is one.
Do you have a guilty pleasure?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Guilty pleasure man? Me and my wife, we don't watch
much TV, especially now with with my daughter. She kind
of occupies a lot of our time and in the
evenings we could, like you know, all hang out as
a family and mess around. But we watched this really dumb.
We watch some really bad competition TV shows. So every

(01:00:41):
year we only we take like you know, we kind
of take an hour every Friday night. I think it
comes out. It's called The British Baking Show and it's
it's so bad and so stupid, but for some reason
we like it. It's a little time that we kind
of set aside in those months that it comes out
and we watch that one. So I would say, I'm
pretty embarrassed to say that I actually do watch that show.

(01:01:04):
But yeah, we watch that one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
We've had a couple like TV watchers reality shows or
whatever it may be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
So no, really, I guess that is kind of reality
but more a competition.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, competition. I mean, we've heard it all as a
as a former wrestler. We find out former wrestlers take
up golf. Have you ever swung a golf club? You
get on the links at all?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
No, So there's a couple of things that I won't.
I just kind of refuse to do. So I've never
even attempted golf because I'm afraid that I will get
way too addicted and it'll take out too much of
my time. So I'm not dabbling at all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Respect Yeah, Frank, thank you so much for your time tonight, sir.
It's been awesome following your journey as a wrestler now
seeing everything you got going on as a coach. It's
awesome to chat with you tonight. We could talk to
you all night, So thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah, guys, appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, Frek is great to get to chat with you
and get to meet you and have fun in Croatia
and good luck with everything you got going on in Oklahoma.
We're excited to follow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Thanks all, guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
All Right, ladies and gentlemen, that is Frank Perelli from
the Training Lab, Oklahoma. That is it for us this week.
We appreciate you checking this out. Have a great rest
of your week, enjoy your weekend. We will be back
on Monday night with Sorry. Sean Robinson is going to
be joining us from Drew University track and Field across country,
and Isaac Wood is back remember him from Salt Lake

(01:02:28):
Community College. He's back in the Division one ranks with
the Pacific University taking over the men's starting the men's
program there, so we're excited to chat with him next week.
Enjoy the rest of your week again and have a
great weekend. We'll see you all next week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
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