Ep 415 — Tiger Style at Gans Creek: Mizzou XC, NCAA Host Prep & Recruiting with Coach Kyle Levermore - Airey Bros.'s Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Airy Brose Radio be There or B
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Evermore and you're listening to Aery Bros. Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Ladies and gentlemen, howdy and aloha, we are here, You
are there, and you are now rocking with the best.
Thanks for tuning into another episode of Airy Bros.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Radio Live.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Tonight, We're lacing them up and we're heading down to Columbia,
Missouri to dive into all things Tiger cross Country and
get a full preview of the twenty twenty five NCAA
Championship straight from the host site, gans Creek with Miszoo
head cross country and distance coach Kyle Evermore. But before
we get rolling, y'all know the drill. Make sure you
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your ultra marathon and nutrition coaching needs. And let's not
forget why we're here. We're here to shine on the
light on the program's coaches in at leads. We wish
we had access to growing up while we were going
through the recruiting process. If you love kylege running, coaching, culture,

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and stories about program building, this one is for you.
On to tonight's guest. As we mentioned, coach Kyle Lovermore
is joining us this evening. He's helping lead the charge
at Missouri in cross country and track and field. He's
a mall While New Jersey native, Kyle ran at the
University of Oregon and at the University of Arkansas. He
earned All SEC honors and later earned his master's degree

(01:30):
in Sports Industry management from Georgetown. Before joining MISSOO, he's
coached thirteen All Americans, twenty Big East champions champions, and
helped shape one of the top ten recruiting classes in
the nation, all while helping position Missouri to host this
year's NCAA Cross Country Championship. Currently, the Tiger men are
ranked twenty second and the women are ranked twenty third.

(01:53):
Without further ado, it is an honored a pleasure to
have you joining us this evening. We do greatly appreciate
turrent time. Coach Kyle More. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, thank you guys for having me here. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, we are stoked to get into it. We love
talking with our Jersey people, so this will be a
good conversation coach before we get too far along. Anywhere
you would like to send recruits, parents, anyone that might
have question about the Tigers, anything you would like to
plug or promote, the floor is yours.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, I think give us a follow on Mizoo Track
and Field on Instagram and Twitter handle is mzoo XCTF.
And then we do actually have a account that is
just for the distance group, miss Distance XC that we
run a little bit more for recruiting and kind of
behind the scenes with the distance program. So if you're
interested in our program, follow us there, and then you're

(02:44):
welcome to follow myself and my assistant coaches on Instagram
as well. My handle on Instagram is my name and
on Twitter it is Kyle Underscore lev Awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
We'll put all that stuff in the show notes for you,
and I would also say, folks that are listening and
go check out the most recent video on flow track
where Kyle gave a tour of the facilities and all
the awesome things that they have available for the cross
country and distance runners at Missouri. So check that out
as well, coach, We've got two very important questions. These
are going to be probably the most important questions we're

(03:17):
going to ask you all evening. The first one is,
and I think I might know the answer to this,
but you never know. We get surprised from time to time.
Is it pork roll or Tailor Ham?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Oh, it was Tailorham. I'm from North Jersey, That's what
we say, although I will say my family is from Philly.
Like I'm actually the only person in my family that
did not grow up in like the center City Greater
Philadelphia area. So if you ask my family, while they

(03:47):
are Pennsylvania people, they would say probably pork role because
they're margate as if you know in New Jersey, you
know down the shores where you associate, and we are
margate people, So they are they are probably in the
pork roll. But I grew up in Bergen County, So
I'm a Taylor Ham guy.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Team Taylorham for sure in Bergen County.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And then the other question, you know, we never know
what we get with this one. You are North Jersey guy,
We are from the shore. Is Central Jersey a real place?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
For t tonight, Jim, we are we are no.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
North Jersey is over the bridge and South Jersey is
on the other side of the bridge. Whatever the one
and what is it not the stunt? We know which
one you're talking about, You know what I'm talking about.
It's the one like the one before before the city
kind of I guess it's a Staten Island East Orange
that one.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, okay, we got it. We're there with you. That's
why we used to say Central Jersey, but now we're
more inclined to say we're from the shore, so that.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, you're from North Jersey or from the shore.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, from the shore so coach the way we like
to kick things off here. We all have our origin
stories to the sport. How did you find running? How
did you get into it? And how did that lead
you to don Bosco and then from there, how did
that lead you into coaching?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Oh goodness, I started running because I it was kind
of the thing on every the thing everyone on the
street was doing. The town I grew up and had
a really at the time, it felt like a really
robust recreational sport program. And you know, I guess a
lot of places have that, but it felt like we
had access to kind of every sport at the you know,
the town recreation level. So I played soccer, basketball, and

(05:32):
then I ran track when I was really little, and
then I kind of tried everything for a really long time.
And everyone on the street was playing soccer and running
track as like kind of all of us, and we
were all close in age, so it became kind of
this thing that I did because the people around me
were doing, and then I just started to really really

(05:54):
fall in love with it. And you know, I think
it took me time to really figure out what I
loved about out the sport, but I you know, I
always found myself like looking forward to running and and
my parents were really disciplined about not letting me do
one thing early, and so I played, you know, until

(06:14):
I was in high school. I played soccer and ran
red cross country. I would go from a red cross
country meet to play in midfield, and then they would
give me a break by putting me in goal. And
then in the winter, I actually stopped playing basketball. I
have zero hand eye coordination, so that was the one
thing they let me stop doing was basketball and baseball.
But I did start. I was like an avid ski

(06:35):
racer actually, so I ski raced for like four nights
a week growing up in the winter, and then would
run track in the outdoor season or you know, in
the spring, and then in the summer I was I
did swimming and diving, like Rex swimming and diving. And
it got to the point where, like the older I got,
the more I was trying to like squeeze running in

(06:56):
around my other activities, and you know, to the point
where like I would run to swim practice because I
wanted to run, and my parents weren't going to let
me like kind of bail on the season that I
because I would always try to like, oh it was
swim season, like I don't want to run anymore. And
then it became, well, if I have to do this,
I'm going to run to swimming. And then by the

(07:17):
time I got to high school, that was the first
time I really specialized in anything was when I when
I started high school. But yeah, I honestly I had
really good coaches when I was young. My godfather was
also my neighbor and his daughter was a couple of
years older than me, and she's like I call her

(07:37):
my sister. But you know, I think what kind of
happened when I was young was that actually in my town,
there was this group of like maybe ten or twelve
of us that they kind of identified as like maybe
they're a little better than everyone else. We started to
kind of have our own little group. And yeah, I
ended up wanting to go to don Boscow honestly because
I knew the reputation of the coaching there and I

(08:00):
actually lived closer. I grew up closer to don Bosco
than I did to my public high school. So I,
you know, I funny story about don Bosco. I don't
know if I've ever told this. People know it, but
I don't know I've ever told it publicly. I actually
got rejected. I applied and I got rejected, and you
know that's pretty hard when you're fourteen. But I emailed

(08:22):
my high school coach, my you know who, the guy
who ended up coaching me in high school. He's a
science teacher. And I was like, I want to go
here and I want to run for you, Like, is
there any way that admissions would reconsider like letting me
into high school? And he put in.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
A couple let me check your times? Was that let
me check your times?

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Honestly, that like I had to say it this way,
but like I kind of by the time I was
thirteen or fourteen, had a little bit of a reputation
of like, there's this kid in the area that's pretty
good and yeah, and so he emailed admissions and he
emailed me back and he was like, the admissions director
will meet with you. And I went to the admissions
meeting by myself when I was like thirteen or fourteen

(09:02):
years old at BOSCO, and I was like, what do
I have to do to get in? I was like,
just tell me what you need to see from me
to like get me into this school. And so yeah,
I actually like got rejected and got myself in because
I was like, I have to run for this coach.
And I had a really, really tremendous career at BOSCO.

(09:22):
Was just super fortunate to walk into a program that
had a culture and had older guys that could push me,
and had older guys that also like really like took
me in as a brother but treated me like a
true little brother, like they made me earn my stripes,
and yeah, I was I also had a coach that
he helped me to a really high standard because he

(09:43):
knew what I was capable of, and you know, we
had goals that you know, he and I talked about
every year of high school, and I wanted to achieve,
And yeah, I left. I left Bosco with four individual
state championships and was one of I think five guys
at the time whould have won the two mile and
the mile in New Jersey. And so yeah, I was

(10:05):
fortunate to have a really really good high school career.
But you know, I look back on it now and
I think it was like the culture and the coaching
and the development that really made a difference. And I
always tell people like I went to a high school
program that pushed us really really hard, Like they really
did have that like element that people probably are scared of.

(10:26):
But I had no point left there burnt out, Like
I left there so well educated on what the demands
of this sport were at the highest level, and we
were pushed really hard based on how good we wanted
to be. And so yeah, I did, in a lot
of ways go to like a sports factory high school,
but I went to one where I left there like

(10:46):
we were not burned out. We were just held to
a high standard. And I think there's a difference, like
there's a difference between physically just beating the crap out
of people versus having an environment that has has high
standards and high demands. And I'm I'm I'm really fortunate
that I got to benefit from that type of environment
when I was that.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Young coach, Did you send that email on your own?
Without any It.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Was my own. I asked my mom if I could
send an email, like I've always kind of been that
way when I want something, I've always found a way to, Like,
you know, I'll take no for an answer, but I'm
not going to take no for an answer until I
figure out every angle of it.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Okay, And I'm curious. You know, we're we're sure conference guys,
so we we're very familiar with CBA. I'm curious what
is at don Bosco? What is the perception or I
guess maybe mindset around Christian Brothers Academy?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Are you guys?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Is it friendly rivalries or because I can remember back
in the day, like the Don Bosco guys run around
the Homedell Park in the middle of November, shirts off
chest painted like beating a drum and all the crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, no, that's a big part of it. I think
when I was so when I entered Bosco. Part of
the reason I wanted to go there actually was so
the every year the five years prior to me starting
high school, they were reigning state champions and they had
made the Nike National Meet twice in those five years,
and so we were actually kind of like my freshman year,

(12:13):
we were the team to beat, but two of the
four years I was in high school where two of
the four years Christian Brothers won the national title. And
so I actually stepped into the program at Bosco at
a year where like as a freshman I probably shouldn't
have needed to run varsity, but I did because of
the people who had graduated. And so my freshman year
was the first year they lost the state title in

(12:35):
five years, and you know, I really wanted to be
the person that brought a team title back to Bosco.
And we were runner up I think four times in
my four years. But I think that like the attitude
was one of like, man, they're good, and they're really good,
and we have to beat them all the time, Like
we had to run against them all the time. And

(12:57):
you know when you're when you're that age, of course,
there's like the the rivalry, like screw those guys kind
of rivalry, like we hate them. I think that's natural
when you're a young guy and in a high school setting.
But I think at the deep down, like we did
respect each other. We did respect that, you know, we
were as good as we were because we were pushed

(13:18):
to that level. Like I became as good as I
did in high school because I had to run against
the top kids in the state because they a lot
of them were Christian Brothers kids or in non public
a And so when I got to the state meete,
I wasn't scared of anyone, Like I'd run against all
the top guys already and either beaten them or come
close to it, and so it uh, you know, I

(13:39):
think there's definitely like there was definitely like the disrespect
element of like, yeah, fuck you, you're my rival. But
at the same time, when you look back on it,
like I became friends with a lot of those guys,
I've got a funny story about one of them. If
we if we touch into you know, if we dive
into my college career. Actually all right, well, but yeah,
I guess I'll just tell you since I set the table.

(13:59):
But so so I went to Oregon, I signed with Oregon,
you know, things weren't kind of it wasn't the right
fit for me. I stayed there two years and I
decided it was time for a change. But actually when
I transferred, I had signed a lease and I really
wanted to make sure that my roommate, you know, wasn't
led to dry and you know, when you're an athlete,

(14:20):
it's important to kind of have someone like minded living
with you. And so I was talking to my coach
there and I was like, Hey, who's coming in, Like,
is there anyone you're bringing in that I could maybe
turn my lease over to? And I actually turned my
lease over to someone that I was rivals with from CVA,
Tim Gorman. He ended up living in my room and
had a great year that year at Orgon. But when

(14:41):
I left, I left a Don Bosco T shirt under
the bed because I knew he was going to be
living in my room and we became friends. Like I
saw him a lot the next year, and I'd known
him from high school. He was two years older than me,
but I ran against him a lot, and so I
left a Don Bosco T shirt hidden in the room
when I transferred.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Did you ever hear about it?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
After that, I feel like we did talk about it.
I you know, I think after the fact I told
him or like he like saw it and thought it
was funny. I don't remember we did talk about it
at some point.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Coach. What are your thoughts on Hamdell Park.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I like it. I never had a problem with it.
I think it's one of those places that's historic and
you know it it's gotten allure to it, like it
has a history to it. It has, you know, kind
of these like big physical like course features that are
demanding and scary and kind of put people on their
toes going into races, and I think you need that,

(15:40):
like there's an element of psychological like stress going into
races that people respond differently to. And for me, I
thought like the his excuse me, the history and like
the difficulty that it kind of portrayed it truly made
it feel like he had to earn something there. And
I don't know, I actually always really enjoyed running there.

(16:02):
I never thought it was a course that was like, uh,
I really liked running there. I think in college I
wish I'd had the chance to go back and see
how fast I could have run there just a couple
of years later, because I think it's a good like,
it's not that hard a course. There's a couple of
things that people think are hard, but like strip it down,
it's really not that bad. I've run a lot worse.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, what was your high school pr there?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Fifteen fifty something, not fast compared to what they run there. Now,
I got hurt. I actually got hurt in between my
junior and senior year in September of my senior year,
and so I didn't run until like two weeks before
the state meet, and I still somehow ran faster than
I did as a junior. So I always kind of
wondered what I would have run because I did run

(16:48):
faster than I did as a junior, but I also
like missed five weeks in September of my senior year
of high school. So I don't know. I always thought
it was a good place, and I think I don't
think they should ever change it because it's got history
to it.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So you did a PG at Georgetown, but you also
got your master's in Sports Industry management. Where's coaching coming?
Did you know when you got the PG that I'm
going to wind up coaching.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, so I was actually a full time coach at
Georgetown for four years. I started there as I was hired.
My first year there, I was hired as a grad
assistant and I did, I did, I finished my masters,
and then they hired they like made me a full
time staff member. Basically, as a grad assistant, you are
a full time staff member. You just are paid through
your stipend and you have to go to school. But yeah,

(17:37):
so the way that I actually got into coaching, I
my four four years of college, I kind of set
myself up to work in sports marketing and my bachelor's
isn't advertising. My last internship in college and in between
my junior and to my senior year, my fifth year,

(17:59):
I ended up working with Hoka in flag Staff and
I worked with Northern Arizona Elite, which was Ben Rosario's
team at the time, and actually that summer we did
a lot of really cool stuff. But I pitched myself
to Ben through an email and I was like, Hey, man,
I'm really looking for an internship, but I also want
to spend this last summer in my running career at altitude.

(18:20):
I was like, I'm not looking for pay. I was
like but if you found me a place to live, like,
I'll work for free basically, And he emailed me back
and was like, I would love to have an intern,
but I have no interest in a coaching intern. I'm
really looking for more someone on the business side. And
I was like, well, I am, I'm a PR and
advertising major and I don't really want to coach, like
this is I kind of want to do exactly what

(18:40):
you're looking for. And so he found me a place
to live with one of the athletes on the team
had a pretty big house and was known for kind
of renting out rooms to athletes during stays and flag
and so that summer I ended up like my day
to day was in the morning, I would help Bend
with training. In the afternoon, we go sit at a
coffee shop and work on the brand and or actually,

(19:02):
like you know, we would record their podcast or like
we that summer Jim Walmsey was doing something crazy. I
remember we recorded a podcast with him that summer. So
I kind of got an accidental front row seat to
what coaching was looking like and went back to into
my fifth year of college being like, I really want
to do this, but I'm really scared of like the

(19:23):
financial instability, Like it's really hard. Coaching can be really
hard right off the bat. And so my mom had
told me, she was like, hey, if you graduating, you
don't like you're not in school, like you're on your own.
And I was like, shit, I guess I got to
like do something about this. So I actually did not
want to go to grad school. I picked what I
picked in college because I was like, well, I don't

(19:43):
have to go to grad school if I have a
major that's functional, like I don't have a philosophy degree.
And so I was like, I guess I'll apply to
grad school, which is what I wasn't going to do.
So I applied to Georgetown. I applied to like ten
grad programs that I also thought if I got in
and I could reach out to the coaches, they would
let me either grad assistant or volunteer. But I could

(20:05):
do myself a favor by telling them I'd already been
accepted into grad and school at that university. So I
applied to the program at Georgetown, being like, there's a
great program, it's a great university, it's got a great
reputation academically. If I get it in, and like this
is also a place I'd want to work with this staff.
I had two really close friends that worked there, that
went to school there for undergrad and ran there. And

(20:27):
so I actually landed in a really good position at
Georgetown where I was able to get my master's in
my first year or so of coaching, and it was
also COVID, so it gave me something to do. My
first year of coaching was like the back half of COVID,
which was or not the back half it was. My
first year of coaching was like nine months of normal
than COVID then, So it was good to be in

(20:49):
grad school then.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Occupy your time. Yeah, so, coach, how has the season
been going for you guys? You guys are ranked twenty
second on a mentor third on the women is Are
you right where you thought you would be or head
of schedule?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, I think we're where where I think we should be.
We I took over this program three years ago, so
twenty twenty three was my first year here, and like,
you know, a big reason why I wanted, why why
I pursued this opportunity was you know, the opportunity to
recruit in this conference knowing that we had a national

(21:27):
championship to kind of give them something, like give recruit
something to latch onto. And you know, we were awful
my first year here. I think we were like ninth
in the SEC and like thirteenth in the region on
the men's side, and I don't know, maybe even worse
on the women's We were bad. But I knew that
if we were hosting a championship and we were in
the SEC and there's a history here, like I trusted

(21:48):
my ability to recruit and get our program to a
point where I thought, three years from now, we can
have a legitimate chance to be, you know, a top
a top twenty five team in the country and be
on the line at our home course. And like I
didn't want to be at that. I don't want to
be there in a month without us on the line.
We still and we still have to finish the job.

(22:08):
But I think that it's been a three year bild
to this point. And what I mean to mean by
that is, more so it's been a three years or
two years of getting the right people in the in
the in the room, getting a culture re established that
you know, needed a lot of change, changing the outlook
of people who were in the program and teaching them

(22:30):
while bringing new people in, and so we are exactly
where we need to be. I think in terms of
this season, yeah, where I'm I'm really pleased with where
we're at. I think we've run well on the outside
and internally, I feel like we've had a lot of
conversations about little changes we can make. And I think
when you're coming out of a regular season feeling like

(22:50):
you've done a lot of things really really well, but
you also have things that you know you can make
small adjustments on that will make big differences. That's kind
of what you need going into a championship. Like when
it's too perfect going in, it's just pressure, and when
there's no momentum, it's desperation. And so I think when
you're in the sweet spot of like things have gone well,
but things haven't gone well enough for us to get

(23:13):
too high or get too low, I feel like we're
in a very very kind of like calm groove where
we know exactly what we're working on, and you know,
people have from the outside been like, man, things are
going really well, and we're like, yeah, they are, but
we think they can go better.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
All right on and from a recruiting perspective, over the
past three years, have you been able to tap into
your Jersey roots at all? Have you gone that far east?
So you're kind of sticking in that like Midwest zone.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
It's hard to get people from the Northeast. Are harder
to get people from the Northeast than it is the West.
So I think with recruiting and with building a program
or building a recruiting class, it starts with obviously identifying
your needs and recruiting that that's step one and is
like you know, kind of what am I looking for,

(24:03):
but also knowing like where you're going to find those
people that are actually going to give you not the
time of day, but maybe like the like they're going
to have the right amount of interest for you to pursue.
And so it's not that I haven't tried with the Northeast.
We you know, we brought people in from from New
York or Pennsylvania or New Jersey or you know, we've
made those calls. But I think the the just the

(24:26):
the personality profile is a little bit different, and I
think that the the that's where like growing up I
actually kind of felt like an outlier, like I didn't
value the same things that some of my peers did
when it came to selecting colleges or things like that,
and it kind of showed where I went. But I think,
you know more so I I don't try as hard

(24:47):
to be honest with you because I feel like I
can find similar talent that's it actually makes more sense
for them to want to come here. I'll reach out
to kids if I think they're good and they're in
the Northeast, and I'll try, but often, like I feel
like it's a little bit of a lukewarm situation, mostly

(25:08):
because a lot of Northeast kids are interested in the
East Coast.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Youah, have fun. Kids don't like to leave their bubble
as much. But maybe when they see that video with
those pretty sweet facilities in that awesome cross country course,
that might change the perspective a little bit. We're big
on getting out of your comfort zone and seeing the world,
and you know, you can always go back to your bubble,
but like get out of it for a little bit

(25:35):
and go see some new things.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Recruits this all the time, especially when I bring recruits
that you know, I recruit from everywhere, but when we
bring recruits in that are from somewhere very different or
somewhere that's maybe a little bit further. I will always
tell people, like, the best thing I ever did for
myself was go to Oregon when I was eighteen and
then when I was twenty moved to Arkansas. Like who

(25:59):
moves from New Jersey to Oregon to Arkansas. But it's
the best thing I ever did, like getting out of
that bubble. And so I try to push that a
little bit with recruits. It's like, hey, I know it's scary,
but like from someone who did it, like, trust me,
this is a good thing.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
When it comes to recruits, I see that you guys
have some international athletes on the roster, and we always
talk to coaches about this. What is your perspective of
recruiting international athletes and how do you reach out to them?
Do you have context? Do you use what's it called
scarbook anything like that.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
We work with two different agencies that help us with
you know a little bit of like talent identification. We
do work with one of the ones in Africa or
in Kenyam specifically, but we also work with them in
other North African countries. My perspective on recruiting is always
like I've you know, one of the one of my

(26:55):
sophomores is from Columbia, Missouri. He was a top ten
kid in the country. And I always say to the
people in Missouri, like, we want to keep the best
kid in stay home. I want to give you a
reason to stay home. And if you don't stay home,
I also want it to be a really hard decision. Again,
you also kind of get people who want to leave home,
so that can be a little challenging with with local
with local athletes, but I always start with Missouri, like

(27:17):
the best kid in Missouri that meets our standards, and
I think that's the important part, is like if you
meet the level of competition, the level required for the
SEC for the nc DOUAA, and you're in state, then
we want you here. Like we're not just going to
bring anyone on. But we then we work regionally, so
you know, Missouri, then Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, Arkansas, Tennessee, we

(27:38):
work outwards. But my job is to compete at this level,
and my job is to make sure that the teams
that we put on the line, the athletes that we
put on the line, are performing at the level required
and we're going to recruit wherever you're from. I don't
really care where you're from. I recruit based on what
we need. What what is a hole in our program?

(27:59):
And how does how can you have a role in
our program that allows you to feel like you're making
a significant contribution. And so we monitor the world you
twenty lists. We monitor the power at ten, which is
kind of like the British equivalent to Tiefers or mile split.
It's the British system list. We monitor the European Descending
Order lists. I monitor, you know, I've flown abroad to

(28:21):
Australia to recruit. So my philosophy is that we're going
to bring the best people that fit our program together
and fit our philosophy together. And if you're from Missouri,
or you're from Australia, or you're from Kenya or Germany,
I want to bring the right people in the room.
And so I don't really care where you're from, as
long as you fit the values of our program. And

(28:45):
I think diversity is a beautiful thing. I think diversity
is required in order to maximize your ability. And so
you know, I think there's a lot of unnecessary conversation
in the NC double a about you know, you want
to talk about scholar Book, Like what Scholarbook is doing
is changing the lives of student athletes. It's changing the
lives of people. And you know, my job as a

(29:09):
coach is you know my I guess my job as
a coach in the NC DOUBLEA in particular, is to
help you perform at the highest level, to push you
to figure out what you're capable of and see how
far we can take that and make sure that you
go home with an education and you have you know,
I always tell recruits, I can't promise you and NCAY
a title. I can't promise you an SEC title. I

(29:31):
can't promise you in All American certificate. But I'll promise
you're going to go home with a degree. And I'll
promise you that you're going to get a degree that's
going to help you change your life. And you can
be as critical as you want and say whatever you want,
But there's a part of me that feels like it's
maybe more impactful for a Kenyan athlete to come over
and earn a degree and get the opportunity to compete
against this level of competition, And what's that degree going

(29:54):
to do for them when they go back to support
their whole family. And so, I, you know, I'm a
fe defender of the fact that our job is to
give people an opportunity to challenge themselves and to be
there with them through every bit of that and send
them home with a way to better their life long term.
And I think that if I'm doing that, I don't
It doesn't matter where you're from. You're going to bring

(30:14):
something to our group that's going to add value.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Kyle stand Innovations, Sir Rich, I think we just got
to clip there. You don't know how many negative comments
we get on YouTube when we have coaches on and
people talk about why don't you recruit Americans? Oh, you're
doing it with all foreign athletes, Rich and I I
don't want to speak for Rich, but we're in the
same boat as you, and I think you just nailed that.

(30:38):
The other question I have off of that is do
any of the foreign athletes or international athletes excuse me,
have trouble adapting or because you guys have all the
facilities and you're in the location that you're in, it's
not that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I think it depends on the you know, different people
are going to adapt differently. I think with any athlete
who moving away from home, you're you're the time change
is obviously hard. You have to learn to talk to
your family, like I see a lot of my you know,
I know a lot of the Australians, like sometimes they
come to practice and they're on FaceTime as they get
there because they're saying good night to their families or

(31:13):
you know, so you know, maybe that part is hard
for everyone. I think with you know, a British athlete,
or a German athlete, or a you know, i'm naming
countries we have here, you know, or an Australian or
a Kiwi, it's less of an adjustment because there's more
of a familiarity from home. And but with our with

(31:33):
our African athletes or you know, any African country, it
would be no different if we had an Asian athlete
from China or Japan or India or somewhere like that.
I think the biggest thing that is an adjustment is
the food. And so some people adjust differently, Like some
people aren't picky and and they're okay, you know, some
of my athletes have adjusted really smoothly, and food hasn't

(31:56):
been an issue some it has been so I think
it's person to person, but they all go through the
same stuff, Like it's the same as when you move
away when you're eighteen to the other side of the US,
like you you what you do as a coach, and
what we do with our resources is show them that
they don't have to figure it out alone. But they're

(32:16):
still going to have to figure stuff out. They're still
going to have to learn these things. But if I
can provide them the you know, hey, if you need this,
you don't need to wonder how to get it here
it is and and so it's you know, it's person
to person. But with our Kenyan athletes, the initial adjustment
is showing them, you know, kind of where they can

(32:37):
get the food they get. I'm very familiar with the
African store in Columbia, Missouri.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
A lot of you Gali coming out of there, Ugali, Chapati, greens,
you name it.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
The first night they were here, you know, are Elijah,
Miriam and Monica, who are the three that we brought
over in January. They got here in a snowstorm and
came to my house the first night they here and cooked.
So yeah, you know, like we you know, I love it.
I think it's great that they get that, you know,
ability to you know, they cook for the team, they
have people over at their house, they live with you know,

(33:10):
they live with the team, and uh so it's good
for them to see, you know, you know, the team,
to get that experience, and they all like, we have
a lot of international kids. They have international food nights.
It's great, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
How do the warm weather athletes how do they adapt
or how do they handle the Missouri winters?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I mean every year I've lived here, the winter is different.
We went from ninety five degrees two weeks ago to
winter this week. So I don't know we skipped fall here,
but yeah, I think that it was hard for them initially.
We're really lucky we had the indoor track and the treadmills,
and but typically Missouri, like you can run outside. It's
like thirty five forty most of the winter. It's just

(33:53):
if it gets gusty, I know, you know from if
you're in Oklahoma, you know what the wind can be like.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Oh yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It's actually pretty temperate here, Like I would say it's
more temperate than it is extreme.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Okay, Okay, secs are around the corner, right, is it?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
This week? It is? We head out on Wednesday to Noxville.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Okay, how's how's everything going this week?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's been good. We're I think we're all just a
little more antsy than usual to get out of town
because we haven't. We don't ever spend two months competing
and racing at home like that's not normal for us.
Usually we've gotten out of town like at least once
at this point, so I think everyone's pretty excited to
get out of town and race on a different course.
I think, you know, we came off of pre Nationals

(34:39):
feeling like we had good stuff to work on, but
also pretty excited that the next time we were going
to race, we weren't going to run the same course
that we've been racing and training. So it's you know,
I think I think for us, it's a mentally really
good boost to get out of out of Columbia the
next you know, two times we race, and we're excited.
I think something I said last year was that our

(35:02):
team was young and we weren't lacking talent, but we
lacked experience. And I think we're still young, but we
don't lack experience as much anymore. And so I think
the fact that kind of what I mentioned when we
were getting started about we feel like there's ways that
we can be better. But also we've had everyone in
our lineup has been at these championships before and by

(35:22):
and large had some amount of success in the last
two years at a championship, And so I think it's
it's it's provided like at this calmness where I just
I think we're all really excited to get there and yeah,
I you know, shit, I haven't even thought about Friday,
to be honest with you, So I guess I'm good too.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Now with you know, SECS and then Regionals. Is the
mindset still put everything on the line at SECS and
then circle the wagons and get ready for Regionals and
do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, I think you know what. We've talked about a
lot with our program, and I'll say it now because
there's like not any thing anyone can do about it.
Have you had me on a month ago, I might
have been a little quieter, but I've said to them
for the last two months, like our job is to
do ourselves favors, Like when we compete, we got to
beat these teams to do ourselves favors when it comes
to national qualifying and if we want to be on
the start line in a month, what have we got

(36:16):
to do to get there? And we've done ourselves a
lot of favors with qualifying points with a large points,
we've run well in big championship style races. So yeah,
like we're we feel like we can be really really competitive,
Like I don't I don't think there's a reason we
can't have two teams in the top five or top
four and we're gonna We're going in there film like
we know how to beat the people that we have

(36:37):
to beat this other thing. We've seen a lot of
our competitors already this season and feel like if we
didn't beat them, we know how to beat them. And
if we haven't, if we've beaten them thus far, we
feel like we can turn the screw again and beat
them more soundly. So I'm excited. But it's the sec
like anything can happen on the day, and we're gonna
have a plan that's going to work for us, and
if we execute it, I'm I'm sure we'll go home happy.

(36:58):
And if we don't execute it, then it gives is
something to stay stay hungry for.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
And from a regional perspective, you guys in the same
region with Oklahoma state.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yep, we are as Midwest is loaded. I think, yeah, again,
we have to finish the job. We have to go run.
We don't have to run over the top. We just
have to run like at the same level we've been
running all year, and we'll be good to go. But no,
you don't count your tickets before they hatch. And you know,
we'll go in with a plan and we'll go in
knowing that this is what we need to do to

(37:29):
get the job done, and we'll we'll take care of business.
But you know, I'm not I don't think that anyone's
like writing the regional off is not important in any capacity,
Like we know what we have to do to make
sure that we don't you know, do anything. You don't
cause ourselves any.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Problems, courage. You seem like a pretty busy guy. And
to add to all that, you guys are hosting the
NCAAs this year. How has that added to your workload.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I don't know that it's added like any like like
heavy lit like you know, I don't I'm not sitting
here slaving over like paperwork or anything. I think, you know,
it's been again, it's kind of been three years of
our two years. I keep saying three because the year three,
but it's only been two full years. But we we've
really been methodical about everything we've done over the last

(38:18):
two years with our hosting, with our you know, post event,
we send out a survey from every one of our
home meets to get information back on things that other
coaches think we could do better. And so I give
a lot of credit and almost all the credit to
the Columbia Parks and Rex team. They maintain the course,
They're the ones that do all the course set up.
They you know, Miszoo. Miszoo does a lot of the

(38:39):
you know day the day of setup, and our events
team does a great job in coordination with the city.
But I really my biggest role in all of this
is kind of like a marketing marketing consultant, which is
fun actually for me. I get to enjoy, you know,
kind of like getting a little bit of a hand
in that I don't have to do any of the
execution to just kind of get to brainstorm and help

(39:00):
I think, you know, prior to working at Miszoo. When
I worked at Georgetown, I was actually also working full
time in marketing but on a normal basis and did
some I was actually the I was the brand manager
for the DC Half Marathon, so I kind of get
to fill my cup a little bit with my business
brain and enjoy, you know, getting to do that. So

(39:22):
I haven't been too bad. Like figuring out how to
see ninety five teams for the gains Creek Classic was
a little bit of a puzzle that I had to
work on, but I'm excited, Like I give most of
the credit for people around me.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
So you mentioned getting to help in a little bit
of the marketing. How much of your education do you
use on a day to day as a coach.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Oh, Man, like a decent amount. I feel like I
feel like the SEC. Part of the reason I like
coaching in this conference so much is you have, like
all you have a super high powered, obviously athletic standard.
That's it is. The SEC is the gold standard in
that sense. I love the intensity of this conference. I'd

(40:05):
live for the intensity of what this conference demands. But
I also really really love the business side of this sport.
I genuinely love sports business. Like if I didn't coach.
I think I would have just as much fun time working,
or just as much fun spending my time in sports
marketing or in some sort of sports business. So I
think actually, with like a lot of the changes that

(40:26):
have happened in the last two years with the NC
double A and recruiting, like I use a lot of
what I've learned marketing is applicable in every situation, Like
marketing as a as a concept is it's it's knowing
how to take those principles and apply them to your
to your world. And so I feel like I do

(40:46):
actually get to use a lot of like maybe the
broader picture of what you know I've learned educationally and
apply it, and I find that really fun. I'm actually
also working on my NBA, and so I feel like
a lot of stuff that like I directly learning class.
I Like, we just did stuff in my business strategy

(41:06):
class on five forces, and I was like, I need
to do this with recruiting, Like I need to do
this with my recruiting and my and and you know
the programs we're up against. And so I actually really
do feel like I pull stuff in all the time.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So cause you're a full time coach, and you're working
on your MBA right now.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, man, I need something to do, so I don't
look at training all the time. It's actually like again
you say, it's like, it's honestly like an enjoyable distraction
for me.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Okay, all right, what the heck was I going to
say totally space there for a second? Well, talking about
looking at training all the time or not not being
having a distraction from looking at training all the time.
Where are the tigers when it comes to the world
of double threshold training?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
We're we are subscribers. We definitely you know I it's
been again, it's been methodical. I am very much someone
who comes from a strength based, strength based system, and
I very and I understand how double threshold is beneficial.
But it also took time to develop our athletes to

(42:13):
the point where double threshold was beneficial. And I think
that's the thing, is understanding how this actually benefits me.
And so we don't do double threshold with everyone. We
don't do double threshold just to do it. We don't
throw freshmen into it right away. I don't throw low
mileage athletes into it right away. It's it's something that

(42:35):
if you build up the volume in your weekly training,
and you build up that durability, and I've seen that
you can be consistent, you know, in training, then it's
something we bring to the table. So last year I
brought it in with the with the men only, and
we were doing it every other week or every third week,

(42:56):
and still kept a lot of our core strength principles.
And then in the spring we started doing it more frequently,
and now we are on a cadence where we typically
do like three weeks of double threshold and then one
week of a long tempo or you know, if we
don't do a long if we do a long tempo
as one of or like a moderate tempo is one
of our double sessions, then maybe we do it four
weeks in a row. But I still am very disciplined

(43:19):
with myself about how much I just throw it into things.
And I also am a big believer, and you know,
not everything is going to look the same from person
to person, but also team to team. So stuff I
did last year with some of them, I haven't done
as much this year. And you know, it's like like
last year I would do a lot of you know,

(43:40):
maybe a seven mile like moderate run in the morning
and then in the afternoon we come back and do
you know eight times a k or ten times eight
hundred or something like that would two truly like aerobic
sessions where this year we've done a lot more of
like getting more quality out of our morning session where
we maybe are instead of doing you know, just like
six mile in the morning pretty moderate, we might do

(44:02):
a little bit more or or you know, we might
push twelve k or thirteen k at work in the
morning and then come back. And I've actually shifted at
some of our afternoon sessions to be a little bit
more shorter and kind of tempo. We where we you know,
are working a little bit more on the like the
maybe do like twelve times four hundred instead of a
bunch of slower stuff. So but that's also because this

(44:24):
is what I felt like this team needed versus last
year's team. So again, I think that's the art of
it is like you can do these double sessions, but
like how are you implementing double sessions and how are
they benefiting your personnel? And I think every coach will
tell you, like that's that's the art of coaching is
is taking all this stuff, you know, and putting it,
putting it out there for the you know, with the

(44:45):
right mix of stuff for people.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Richie, I got one more for Kyle before we get
in the final four. If you don't have anything else,
go for it.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I might have there all right.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
I'm curious being in the SEC in IL is all
the rage. How does that work with you guys and
the Tigers and how do you guys handle that?

Speaker 1 (45:07):
I mean, I think for us, recruiting is like, if
you're someone that's good enough for ANIL, then there's an
opportunity for us to put that on the table, But
I don't direct that. So I think my goal in
recruiting is to bring people to the table that when
they make a decision, this is where they want to be,

(45:29):
regardless of the money. And that's something that doesn't fly
well with some of the high schoolers right now, Like
they want everything in the kitchen sink, and I'm not
going to throw everything in the kitchen sink at you
if you're not going to come in and be able
to perform in the SEC. Because a scholarship is not
a reward. A scholarship is an investment. And if you

(45:49):
can't produce in NCAA if you can't be a first
team All American as a freshman coming out of high school,
and there are high schoolers that have shown they can
run at that level. There's people a say the Angle Heart,
She'll come out of high school and she'll be able
to run at a super high level and probably be
an All American this year. Individually. That's someone that you know,

(46:11):
if I'm investing one hundred percent in you, one hundred
percent means you can produce at the national level. You
can produce at the NCAA level. It's the same thing
with the SEC. And so for us, like we want
to reward you for what you've done, but you also
have to understand the amount of money that we're investing
in you, and and and that requires that all of

(46:32):
us do our part in this. So when if you're
a top tier athlete and you can do that, then
nil is on the table, and so is a full scholarship.
But I always believe, you know, you've got to invest
in yourself if you want to see the outcome, you know,
really pay off. And so we don't just like hand
out money here as a reward for what you've done
in high school. And maybe that is a reason why

(46:54):
we don't always have like these big, flashy high school classes,
but we get the right high schooler's. Like, I'm really
happy that we have Ethan Zuber. He was two time
Iowa Gatorade Runner of the Year, like a three or
four time Iowa State champion in cross country. Chose to
come here over Oklahoma State and somewhere else I forget,
but it came down to us in Oklahoma State and

(47:14):
he realized this was the right fit for him, with
the right people, and it wasn't about who was throwing
money at him. And that's how we recruit. So nil
is here and if you were good enough, and I
l is an opportunity for you.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
You have you crushed kids souls at the kitchen table.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yes, I can tell, but I am not someone that
like and maybe you've picked it up ready, like I'm
I'm not someone who's just like an asshole to be
an asshole. But I'm also not someone who's gonna lie
to you, Like I'm gonna tell you what you need
to hear, not always what you want to hear. And

(47:50):
I think I do that pretty nicely. And so I've
definitely had people sit across from me and you can
see in their eyes like they've checked you off their
list because they thought they were going to get a
full scholarship and that's not like you haven't run close
to the level that's required for that, and so sometimes
they get really disappointed. But also sometimes you get people

(48:11):
who are like, oh, well, at least you explain to
me how you invest in people, and it actually like,
sometimes it's help, sometimes it's a benefit, you know, And
I actually prefer that. I prefer the person who's like, oh, okay,
I see what you're saying. And I always tell them too, like,
first of all, money is money. It doesn't matter what
it's titled. So if you get a crapt onn of
campus money, don't want your ego get in the way.

(48:34):
You're getting a ton of money from campus. Do you
want to be here or not. I'll figure out a
way to make sure that with a combination of money,
you're paying not a lot to go here. But I
want you to be here because you want to be here.
And so I'm very very transparent and very blunt, and
I don't try to like I'm not someone who just
like tries to sell you something and then have to

(48:55):
walk it back. I'm just pretty honest about who we
are and what we want to do here.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I'm in yeah, I'll be so.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Is that Jersey?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Rick Jersey? I will say so. My boss is from
from State College, our director coach authors from State College.
And one of my assistant coaches, Paige, she went to
Boston College and is from Long Island. So we you know,
Paige and I actually grew up like the same distance
from midtown Manhattan, just on different sides of the island.
And so we've got some East Coast on our team.

(49:26):
And I will tell you there are people that probably
look at the three of us and like, what is
wrong with you? Guys? Is my boss? I feel like
part of the reason he likes me so much because
we're both so blunt.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
No, I think you have to be at that leetle coach.
I got one last one. I'm curious. You know, we
talked about recruiting those sorts of things. When you're looking
at a distance runner, are you looking more so at
track performances or across country or you know, it's got
to kind of be across the board and what they're
going to be able to do for you most bang

(49:59):
for your Buck.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
It's a little bit of everything. I think to me
the valuable pieces to look at and recruiting, My favorite
one to look at is like your competitive consistency. So
you know, regardless of the race that you're running, are
you finishing consistently in the top one to five? If
you know you're going from a state meet to a

(50:20):
national meet, are you still competitively consistent with like the
marks you're running or are you leveling up? Like I
like to see people who have consistency when they compete,
regardless of what that is. There's either a time consistency
or a placement consistency. I think that you know, someone
in Nebraska is probably gonna have a lot less competition
than someone in Illinois, and so someone in Illinois I

(50:43):
might be looking at something slightly different than the person
in Nebraska. But I value range. I think something we
talk about in our development process and something I look
for in recruiting as athletes who have range. And if
you want to be a great distance runner, you can't
be a robo challenged and you can't be like foot
speed challenged, right, And so I am a big believer

(51:08):
in developing range, and so I look for people who've
already started to develop that and with the roster limits
and the you know the size of our team if
we're talking specifically distance running, unless you're like an eight
hundred and fifteen hundred meter runner who runs like on
the men's side one forty six and you know, somewhere

(51:29):
in the mid three fifties, and on the women's side
you're like a you know two under two oh five,
under four ten type fifteen hundred meter runner. Unless you're
doing that, then we probably need to see your ability
to run cross country and because those people probably can
run across country, but you know, a pure eight to

(51:51):
fifteen athlete you may not need to run in a cross country.
But I'm never going to recruit someone as a one
T pony, like you have to have the ability to
go above them, honestly, just to handle the demands of training.
Mm hmm, regardless of the of the competition, Like I'm
looking at that to see, you know, can we and
and then and then once you're here, what are we
working on? Like what's the most glaring issue? Like? And

(52:13):
that's going to change year to year. So while we
might spend a year working on your strength and then
say all right, Well, your strengths at a point where
now we got to like put you in some middle
distance racism, work on your foot speed because you have
the strength to finally be there at the end of
those races. And and and to me, that's the puzzle
of season to season, year to year with each person
is like, all right, we gotta basically just like go
head on at your weaknesses and figure out how to

(52:35):
get better at them, because your strengths will stay your strengths,
but your weaknesses will only build up more if you
if you develop your weaknesses, you're only going to develop
a broader profile of you know, skills, and you have
more tools than your toolbox. And so yeah, I really
enjoy that part of coaching and recruiting.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Kyle, you got time for the final flour? You gotta?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
All right? Are you coffee drinker?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
How do you brew your coffee? And how do you
take it?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Depending on the morning. I have an espresso machine. Uh so,
I'm really good at a quick Americano that is. And
I'm that is probably like my first homebrew method just
because it's convenient if I have time on a Saturday morning.
I'm an AeroPress or a pour over. Guy. I was
really really into coffee for a long time, and when

(53:30):
I had time, I was, you know, making three kmx
is a day. So I'm I'm a huge coffee snob.
And then how do I take it? Well, that depends
on like what the beans are and how high the yeah,
like if I if it's an air press or a
chemics and I've used really nice beans and you know,
I've picked out something that I really like. It's black.

(53:53):
But I am a cereal well everbe I've ever lived,
I've had a Starbucks on my drive to work, and
I'm I'm not a morning person, so a lot of
mornings I order my coffee as my like bait to
get out of bed. Then just milk and sugar, like
milk and one sugar, mostly just to cool it down

(54:14):
so I can drink it faster.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
What's your prefer roast at Starbucks? No, like when you're
getting all fancy with the pour over.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Uh, medium roast, some sort of medium. I'm a big
fan of anything with like a cherry or like a
dark berry undertone, or like a hazelnut almond type like undertone.
I'm not a huge fan of super acidic coffee. So
I don't love like a berry or a citrus or
something like a like a blueberry, lemon or something like that.

(54:46):
I So my aside to this is I don't know
how familiar are with Onyx Coffee and Fayville, but they
are probably like the top roaster in the country, and
they've won a million coffee World Championships and stuff like that. Well,
that was my home coffee shop in college. When I
went to Arkansas, so I was in Northwest Arkansas in
general has an amazing coffee scene, like it's some of

(55:09):
the best roasters I've ever seen are in north northwest Arkansas. Well,
when I moved to Columbia, the first the three things
I always do when I move somewhere, I go somewhere,
I look up a place to get coffee, a place
to get a beer, and a place to go for
a run. It's like my three Like, wherever I go somewhere,
I got to find those three places. And so the
coffee shop in Columbia that I go to all the time,

(55:30):
I walked in the first day and they had Onyx
coffee everywhere. And so I am a snob to southern weather.
If you are like, if you like really good coffee
and you want to order good coffee, Onyx Coffee Southern
Weather is probably my favorite. It's their house, it's their
most common one. But that is you know, you opened

(55:52):
a good one there with me. I could go on
for a while.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Well, since we're talking here, car, have you ever heard
of third wave water? Are not? Okay? So you're gonna
want to check this out when you get a chance.
Knowing how much into coffee are. Third wave water is
invented by a guy named Charles Nick. You can never
figure out why his coffee didn't taste the same as
when he went to his specialty coffee shop. We find

(56:15):
it comes to find out that most high level coffee
shops have like a water filtration system, yea their gear
to give you a specific water mineral profile. So Charles
was a NASA scientist. What he did was he found
that water profile, dehydrated it, and then you take those
minerals and you put them in distilled water and then

(56:36):
you use that with the mineral profile in it to
brew your coffee.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Interesting, okay, So it comes out all write it down there.
I gotta order some beings here.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Sin comes in like a little element packet. You just
pour it in distilled water and then you use that
for your brewing purposes. And I think they have a
special one for espresso machines they do.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Oh cool, Okay, yeah, I'll take a look at that.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Kyle. Do you have any daily practicers rituals you do
on a regular basis to show up as the strongest
version of Kyle evermore?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I I'm a really like I have to. I'm a
better person when I work out, Like I always say that,
like I just it clears my head. So I I'm
pretty big. I've been on a pretty big kick for
like the last two years of more of like a
hybrid training. I think I really enjoy the like progress
that I see and the challenge I get out of
lifting and and that type of stuff. And then like

(57:26):
I'm still like naturally aerobically good. Uh so I I
go to the gym every day, And I would says,
what else that's my big one? Like if I go
to the gym and I have a really good dinner,
Like those are the two things for me that I need.

(57:47):
But yeah, I don't have any like weird practices or
weird rituals.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Is there a High Rocks in your future.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yeah, maybe I think i'd more probably get get on
get onto it doubles. I've been asked. I actually kind
of messed up my caff and so I haven't run
in like six weeks, so you know, probably I always say,
you can't get in shape when it's hot. You have
to get in shape when it's cold, so you get
to enjoy the enjoy the good weather. So we're going
into the wind drugging on the treadmill a bit, and

(58:15):
maybe I'll do a higher Rocks eventually.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
What are you listening to right now? Music? Podcasts, audio books?
Are you reading anything.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
That's a good song or a good question? Let me
let me tell you what my last spot if I
liked song is I. In terms of reading or listening,
I'm not a huge podcast person. I actually feel like
I listen to podcasts if I know the podcast, but

(58:47):
I don't like easy listen to podcasts because I feel
like I listen to people talk enough. But I will
say I'm a big, like kind of electric d M
kind of tight music person. The song currently cued up
because I was listening to it is Don't Let Me
Down by Somber But My last liked song is Mercy

(59:09):
by Johnny Love, which is just like an ed M
type trancey EDM song from Jersey.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
We don't pump our guests, we pump our fists.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
It's the most Jersey thing left about me. And to
go to Seaside Heights and get a T shirt with that.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
That's awesome, Kyle, ast what we got to close it
out with you? This is a lighthearted one. Maybe it's
a unique food item there in Columbia. Maybe it's a beverage.
You mentioned one of the things on your list when
you relocate is finding a place to get a good beer.
Maybe you've got something else going on. Maybe you're a
golfer fisherman. Do you have a guilty pleasure?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Guilty pleasure? I mean, I've just got a massive sweet tooth.
I could give up every bit of sweets in this world,
but there's no way you could get me to get
rid of ice cream. So I feel like my my
guilty pleasure, Like I don't know if it's been guilty,
like I just I have ice cream all the time. Guilty.

(01:00:09):
I'm trying to think, like I mean, if we're talking
like convenience and guilty pleasure like I'm a serial luber
eats or when I'm lazy. So I've gotten a lot
better as i've gotten older at like cooking my own
food at home. But I'll go on a little bender
like this weekend, I just did not feel like cooking,
and I ordered Uber Eats twice, which you know, don't

(01:00:30):
tell anyone, even though they now all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Know what's your ice cream and choice, what's your go to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
The chocolate chip. It's been that way since I was
a little kid, Like I give up anything.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
My guilty pleasure is in New Jersey bagel. If I
can find me one of those, that's a guilty pleasure
a man. Yeah, I actually I am a big tailor
hamdmeg and cheese on everything bagel or just in everything
bagel with with cream cheese. If you're ever in Northern
Jersey Bagel train, which is actually in Suffern, York. But
it's the best big you'll ever have. Okay, all right,

(01:01:03):
put it on the list.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Rich coach, thank you so much for your time and
insight to the Tigers this evening. Greatly appreciate all the
information you share with us, and best of luck in
the postseason.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Thank you, guys, Kyle is great to get to know you,
get to meet you, chat with you a little bit.
We do appreciate your time. Best of luck at SECS
and we'll be rooting for you at regionals and we'll
be watching at National. So good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. We're ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
All right, Tiger style. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, make sure
you go check out the Tigers. Go tell them that
the area bro sent you. We will be back on
Wednesday with Indiana Wesleyan cross country track and field coach
Brody Bieler will be joining us to talk about all
things and AIA cross country and track and field. So

(01:01:55):
stop back on Wednesday. Have a great Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
We'll see that, don't

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